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I'M GONNA MAKE, MAKE UP MY MIND.JUST STAY OPEN MIND AND SEE WHAT, SEE WHAT I, WHERE LEADS ME.
THIS ONE, THIS ONE TO ME WAS A NO BRAINER.
[1. Call to Order]
WE'RE GONNA CALL A MEETING TO ORDER.UM, AND I NEED TO READ THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT.
THE CODE OF VIRGINIA REQUIRES LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE PERSON OF, EXCUSE ME, THE PURPOSE OF WHICH IS TO ADVISE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON LAND USE AND PLANNING ISSUES AFFECTING THE COUNTY.
THE RESPONSIBILITY IS EXERCISED THROUGH RECOMMENDATIONS, CONVEYED BY RESOLUTIONS OR OTHER OFFICIAL MEANS AND ALL ARE MATTERS OF PUBLIC RECORD.
THE COMMISSION IS COMPROMISED AS CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS APPOINTED BY THE BOARD REPRESENTING EACH VOTING DISTRICT AND TWO AT LARGE MEMBERS.
IF I CAN ASK FOR THE ROLL CALL FROM GURO, IS THAT RIGHT? MR. HO RIGHT HERE.
MR. TITUS, MS. LIDO HERE, MR. KING HERE, MR. KREER.
MR. SMITH, MR. PETERMAN HERE, MADAME CHAIR.
UM, SO IF WE'LL STAND IN AND WE'LL DO THE PLEDGE, I FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[4. Approve Minutes – July 13, 2022]
I JUST ASK, I DON'T HAVE TO READ THE MINUTES, RIGHT?THEN HAVE THERE ANY CHANGES OR DELETIONS? I HAD ONE CHANGE ON THE FIRST PAGE, THERE WERE THREE VOTES AND ALL THOSE VOTES WERE UNANIMOUS, BUT THE NUMBER WAS FIVE ZERO, NOT SIX, ZERO.
WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION.
I MOVE THAT WE, UH, APPROVE THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN WITH THAT, UH, CHANGE ON PAGE ONE SECOND.
THE MOTION BY MR. HORO IS TO ADOPT THE MINUTES FOR THE REGULAR MEETING ON JULY 13TH, 2020, 20, 22 AS REVISED MR. HORO.
[5. Citizen Comments]
WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.AND THIS IS A OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY ISSUES, NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
UM, IS THERE ANYBODY THAT OKAY, THEN WE'LL MOVE TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
EACH APPLICATION HAS A SEPARATE HEARING.
UM, DO I KEEP READING? NO, NO, NO, JUST DO IT.
JUST CALL, INTRODUCE THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING.
[Application No. UP-998-22, Wayne Harbin: Request for a Special Use Permit, pursuant to Section 24.1-306 (Category 1, No. 6) of the York County Zoning Ordinance, to authorize the establishment of a tourist home on a 0.3-acre parcel (U09a-2278-3681) located at 106 Shirley Road (Route 626). The property is zoned RR (Rural Residential) and is designated Low Density Residential in the Comprehensive Plan. (Continued from the July 13th meeting)]
HEARING AND I WANT MS. UM, SCAR ROY TO READ, UH, OUR APPLICATION NUMBER UP 9 9 8 2 2, UH, WAYNE HARBIN.THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A FOUR BEDROOM TOURIST HOME AND AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING LOCATED AT 1 0 6 SHIRLEY ROAD.
THE THREE TENTHS OF AN ACRE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE SEAFORD AREA NEAR MILLS MARINA.
THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS ZONED R R FOR RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND THE SURROUNDING PARCELS ARE ZONED R R AND WCI FOR WATER ORIENTED COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL TO THE NORTH IS SHIRLEY ROAD AND ONE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOME BEYOND, UM, TO THE EAST.
WE, UH, SOUTH AND WEST ARE FOUR MORE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES.
EARLIER THIS YEAR, THE APPLICANT MOVED THE HOME AT HIS PROPERTY, UM, FROM HIS PROPERTY AT 1 25 SHIRLEY ROAD TO WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY A VACANT LOT AT 1 0 6 SHIRLEY ROAD, THE APPLICANT AND HIS WIFE CURRENTLY RESIDE IN THE ACCESSORY DWELLING LOCATED AT 1 25 SHIRLEY ROAD.
WHILE THEY BUILD A NEW HOME ON THAT PARCEL IN THE PROCESS, HE ADDED A NINE FOOT TALL FOUNDATION TO THE RELOCATED HOME TO SERVE AS A GARAGE UNDER THE HOUSE.
THE PROPOSED TORS HOME HAS NOT, UH, RECEIVED A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY YET.
A CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN PROPOSED THAT WOULD REQUIRE ISSUANCE
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OF THIS, UH, CERTIFICATE PRIOR TO COMMENCEMENT OF THE TOURIST HOME OPERATION, THE APPROXIMATE 1,944 SQUARE FOOT.TWO STORY HOME HAS A KITCHEN DINING ROOM, LIVING ROOM, LAUNDRY ROOM, FOUR BEDROOMS, AND THREE BATHROOMS. THERE'S ALSO AN ATTACHED ONE CAR GARAGE.
THE APPLICANT WANTS TO MAKE THE HOME AVAILABLE FOR UP TO, UH, 10 GUESTS, INCLUDING CHILDREN, EIGHT ADULTS MAXIMUM, UH, BUT HISTORICALLY THE BOARD HAS APPROVED TWO GUESTS PER BEDROOM.
GIVEN THAT THE HOME HAS FOUR BEDROOMS, STAFF HAS PROPOSED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD LIMIT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF GUESTS TO NO MORE THAN EIGHT.
THE STANDARDS FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS REQUIRE THE OWNER OR PROPRIETOR TO RESIDE IN THE HOME OR AN ADJACENT PREMISES OR DESIGNATE A RESPONSIBLE PARTY WHO CAN PROMPTLY RESPOND TO AND RESOLVE PROBLEMS OR COMPLAINTS THAT ARISE WHILE RENTALS ARE TAKING PLACE.
THE APPLICANT RESIDES AT 1 25 SHIRLEY ROAD, JUST 453 FEET EAST OF THE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OR A TWO MINUTE WALKING DISTANCE.
A CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN PROPOSED THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO BE PRESENT.
WHENEVER RENTALS ARE TAKING PLACE TO ENSURE GUEST'S BEHAVIOR IS MONITORED.
ALL RIGHT, ACCORDING TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, FIVE PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED FOR THE PROPOSED USE ONE SPACE PLUS ONE FOR EACH SLEEPING ROOM.
ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT'S NARRATIVE, HE PLANS TO MEET THIS REQUIREMENT BY PARKING ONE VEHICLE IN THE GARAGE, ONE IN AN 18 FOOT WIDE AREA ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, ONE IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE AND TWO TO THE LEFT AND AN APPROXIMATELY 20 BY 25 FOOT AREA OF THE DRIVEWAY.
HE PLANS TO INSTALL A CONCRETE PAD IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE AND COVER THE REST WITH, UH, WITH GRAVEL.
HOWEVER, STAFF BELIEVE THIS PARKING CONFIGURATION IS TOO TIGHT, AS IT APPEARS, SOME VEHICLES WOULD NEED TO BACK OUT TO ALLOW, UH, THE ONES IN FRONT OF THEM TO LEAVE.
FOR THIS REASON, STAFF HAS PROPOSED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD LIMIT THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY AT ANY ONE TIME TO FOUR.
UH, ACCORDING TO THE INSTITUTE OF TRAFFIC, ENGINEERS, TRIP GENERATION MANUAL, A TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY, DETACHED DWELLING GENERATES AN AVERAGE OF 9.4 TRIPS PER DAY WHILE NO TRIP GENERATION ESTIMATES ARE AVAILABLE FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.
SIMILAR USES FOR WHICH THIS INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE ARE TIMESHARE UNITS, WHICH GENERATED AVERAGE OF 8.6 TRIPS PER DAY AND OCCUPIED MOTEL ROOMS, WHICH GENERATE AN AVERAGE OF 4.4 TRIPS PER DAY.
NUMBER OF PEAK HOUR TRIPS FOR BOTH USES IS LESS THAN ONE STAFF DOES NOT BELIEVE THE PROPOSED TOURS HOME WOULD HAVE A NOTICEABLE IMPACT ON THIS SECTION OF SHIRLEY ROAD, WHICH ACCORDING TO 2020 BEDO ESTIMATES CARRIES APPROXIMATELY 970 VEHICLES PER DAY.
THERE'S ONE APPROVED SHORT TERM RENTAL, UH, HOME IN THE SEAFORD AREA.
YEAH, THE BED AND BREAKFAST ESTABLISHMENT BAY TREE MANNER IS LOCATED ON SEAFORD ROAD, A DRIVING DISTANCE OF 2.1 MILES FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UH, SOME ADDITIONAL PROPOSED CONDITIONS INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING.
UH, THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR PROPERTY SIGNAGE, BUT THE APPLICANT STATED HE DOESN'T WANT ANY.
THUS THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN PROPOSED PROHIBIT SIGNS ADVERTISING THE TOURIST HOME.
THE APPLICANT STATED HE WOULD RENT THE WHOLE HOUSE TO GUESTS FOR A MAXIMUM OF 30 AND A MINIMUM OF THREE CONTINUOUS DAYS.
A CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN PROPOSED TO REQUIRE THIS AS WELL.
AND ALTHOUGH SPECIAL USE PERMITS NORMALLY RUN WITH THE LAND AND NOT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A CONDITION THAT WOULD CAUSE THE USE PERMIT TO TERMINATE IF WAYNE D HARBIN TRUSTEE CEASES TO OWN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
SO IN STAFF'S OPINION, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE AREA FOR A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
HOWEVER, STAFF DOES HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE PARKING PLAN FOR THE PROPOSED TORRESS HOME.
GIVEN THE SMALL, UH, SIZE OF THE LOT, UH, STAFF BELIEVES THAT IF LIMITED TO FOUR VEHICLES, THE PROPOSED TORRESS HOME WOULD BE OF SIMILAR INTENSITY TO OTHER SHORT-TERM RENTAL HOMES APPROVED BY THE BOARD AND WOULD NOT GENERATE ACTIVITY OR IMPACTS THAT WOULD BE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.
THE FACT THAT THE OWNER PROPRIETOR WOULD BE REQUIRED TO RESIDE IN THE DWELLING LOCATED JUST 453 FEET FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WHILE RENTALS ARE TAKING PLACE WOULD ENSURE THAT GUEST BEHAVIOR WOULD BE MONITORED.
UH, AND FOR THESE REASONS STAFF, UH, DO NOT BELIEVE THE PROPOSED TOURIST HOME WOULD HAVE ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEARBY PROPERTIES OR ON THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THEREFORE BASED ON THE CONSIDERATIONS AND CONCLUSIONS AS NOTED STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITION SET FORTH AND PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER C 22 DASH 21 R.
UH, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND, UH, THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE AS WELL.
UH, I'M LOOKING AT, UH, PC 22 DASH 22 R AND ON NUMBER, UH, PARAGRAPH THREE, YOU SAY THAT NUMBER OF GUESTS OCCUPYING THE TOURIST HOME AT ANY ONE TIME SHALL BE FOUR, BUT YOU BRIEF THAT THAT SHOULD BE EIGHT AND THE ORIGINAL, UH, RESOLUTION HAD EIGHT.
SO WHICH IS IT? FOUR EIGHT, UH, THE GUESTS SHOULD BE EIGHT.
AND THAT, AND THE VEHICLES ARE FOUR MINE VERSION.
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BRIEFED ON THE RESOLUTION HERE THAT NO PERIOD THAN TWO AND NO MORE THAN 14 CONTINUOUS NIGHTS, AND YET ON THE, UH, BRIEFING, IT HAD THREE, A MINIMUM OF THREE NIGHTS.SO WHICH IS IT THREE OR TWO, I THINK, UM, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT PC 22 DASH 21, NOT 22 REVISE.
WE WERE, IS THAT WHAT I THAT'S FOR THE NEXT NUMBER ON THAT? ONE'S FOR THE NEXT APPLICATION, RIGHT? WHAT'S WRONG NUMBERS.
SO THIS SHOULD BE 2021 R CONDITION NUMBER EIGHT.
IT'S 21 THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT.
UP 9 98, THIS NO, IT'S PC 22 DASH 21 R.
AND THE, UH, APPLICATION NUMBER IS UP 9 98 DASH 22.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, NO, NO.
SO THEN WE, THIS IS THE OTHER, ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'RE GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
OH, FIRST WE'RE GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, I ON THE APPLICANT FIRST WAYNE ORMAN, WAYNE HARBIN, AND BONNIE.
WE HAD THE HOUSE NEED THE ADDRESS FOR SOME YEARS.
GOT, JUST GOT A NEW DRIVER'S LICENSE.
WE PUT A APARTMENT OVER TOP OF IT AND WE U WE LIVED IN SEAFORD SINCE 1975 AND WE'VE HAD MANY, MANY GUESTS AND A LOT OF FUN AND, UH, A LOT OF CHILDREN COMING IN AND OUT OF OUR RESIDENCE THERE.
AND ANOTHER AREA WE OWNED PRIOR TO THIS, UM, ON LANDING ROAD.
SO WE BOUGHT THE PIECE PROPERTY AND WE HAD AN OLD HOUSE IN FRONT OF IT, WHICH WE MOVED WHEN WE DIDN'T WANT DESTROY IT.
UM, THERE'S A LITTLE BOOKLET THAT COMES OUT THAT DESCRIBES A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT SEAFORD.
AND THIS OLD HOUSE IS IN, IN THAT, IN THAT BOOKLET DESCRIBING OF THE LOT OF THE OLD OLDER MEMBERS THAT HAVE, THAT ARE STILL LIVING, SOME OF 'EM PASSED AWAY.
SO WE WANTED TO RETAIN THAT AND WE MOVED IT UP THE STREET TO 1 0 6 AND WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE A LOT TO PUT IT THERE.
SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS TRY TO RECOUP SOME OF THAT, UH, MONEY THAT WE USE TO TAKE A MOVE FROM ONE SPOT TO THE OTHER.
AND BASICALLY WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS, UH, UH, I HAVE ONE, UH, GROWN SON THAT LIVES IN CHARLES CITY COUNTY.
HE HAS A FARM AND HE COMES DOWN TO SEFER AND THEN, AND BE GREAT FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO GET IN AND USE THIS HOUSE.
AND WE HAVE OTHER, WE'VE GOT A BIG FAMILY.
WE HAVE ABOUT 40 PEOPLE AT, UH, THANKSGIVING.
SO WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT COME TO OUR RESIDENTS AND WE LIKE TO, FOR THEM TO USE THIS HOUSE ON THE TIMES WHEN WE'RE NOT TAKING AND RENTING IT.
AND WE WANT TO, THAT'S WHY WE DID IT AS A SHORT TERM.
THE OTHER REASON IS I'VE HAD RENTAL PROPERTY FOR YEARS.
IT'S, I'M TOO OLD TO MANAGE THAT TYPE OF STUFF, SHORT TERM, A WHOLE LOT EASIER.
UH, IF ANYBODY'S EVER HAD ANY EXPERIENCE ON THE BOARD, IF YOU HAVE A LONG TERM, IT'S FIVE MONTHS TO GET ANYBODY OUT OF THAT HOUSE, UH, AT THE COURT'S LEISURE.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY TOUGH.
AND, AND, UM, ANOTHER THING WE TOOK EARLY ON, I HAD, UH, MET WITH THE NEIGHBORS ON THE STREET AND THE ONES THAT KNEW, UH, WE KIND OF TALKED TO EVERYBODY AND HAD A MEETING AT THE HOUSE AND ASKED THEM IF THEY HAD ANY CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DOING AND WHAT WE WERE DOING AS A SHORT TERM LEASE.
AND AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO, BUT WE'VE GOTTA GO THROUGH THE STATE STATUTE IN ORDER TO DO THIS.
WE ANSWERED ALL THEIR QUESTIONS.
AND IT SEEMED AS THOUGH WE HAD COMPLETE COMPLIANCE WITH EVERYBODY CONCERNED.
AND, AND, UH, WE HAD 'EM ON BACK OLD BACK CREEK ROAD AND ON, UH, SHIRLEY ROAD AS WELL.
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UM, IT, IT, THEY SEEMED TO BE AGREEABLE WITH WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO THOUSANDS OF QUESTIONS OF, OF DIFFERENT THINGS, OF HOW WE WOULD RUN IT, BUT, BUT BEING AS CLOSE AS WE ARE WE'RE, AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'VE GOTTA DO IS WE GOTTA BE AT A RESIDENCE THAT'S CLOSE ENOUGH TO THIS.AND I THINK IT'D BE A GREAT THING.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT COME TO SEA TO FISH.
UH, THERE'S SEVERAL CHARTERS THAT AT WORK OUT OF THE MARINA DOWN THERE, THE MARINA HAS A, UH, A BIG BUSINESS DOWN THERE.
AND I'M, I LOOK AT SEAFORD ROAD, THERE'S THREE MAJOR BUSINESS ON SEAFORD ROAD AND WE'RE CLOSE TO THE CORNER.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE ANY KIND OF A TRAFFIC TYPE DEAL.
AND AS FAR AS THE, UH, UH, DRIVEWAYS CONCERN, THAT CONFIGURATION'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, WHAT WE ACTUALLY ENDED UP WITH, IT'S QUITE A BIT BIGGER AND WE DIDN'T PUT IT IN CON CREW PUT IN ROCK THAN PERVIOUS AREA.
SO WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE AREA THERE FOR, FOR SOMEBODY TO BE ABLE TO PULL IN AND USE IT.
SO THAT IS BASICALLY MY REQUEST.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT FROM Y'ALL? YES.
MR. HAR YOU'RE WONDERFUL BUILDER AND YOU'VE BUILT GORGEOUS HOMES THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
AND I JUST STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE STAYING IN AN APARTMENT ABOVE A GARAGE.
THE, THE OLDER I GET, I NEED LESS SO, BUT I DID BUILD THAT THERE AND I'M ADDING ONTO IT AS WE SPEAK.
SO IT'S NOT JUST ONE ROOM AS WE'RE, AS I'VE HAD, BUT I HAD A HOUSE IN WILLIAMSBURG AND I HAVE OFFICE IN WILLIAMSBURG, AND I HAVE ONE HERE IN YORK COUNTY.
SO AS I HAD MEETINGS AND, AND WOULD, YOU KNOW, EITHER BE EARLY IN THE MORNING OR LATE IN THE AFTERNOON, I HAD A PLACE TO GO, WHICH WE, WE JUST RECENTLY SOLD THAT AND LISTED AS I SPENT A WHOLE SUMMER, MOSTLY IN THE SEAFORD AREA.
AND THEN WE'D GO BACK AND FORTH TO WILLIAMSBURG IN SEAFORD.
BUT TODAY WE ARE OFFICIALLY RE UH, SEA.
THAT WAS ONE OF OUR QUESTIONS FROM THE JULY MEETING.
WE, WE COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHICH HOUSE YOU'RE ACTUALLY LIVING IN.
IT'S COMPLICATED FOR ME TO KEEP IT UP TOO.
I, BUT I WAS BACK AND FORTH, BUT I'M, I'M HERE TO STAY.
OH, THIS JUST SPEAK ABOUT THIS.
THEN I HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
UM, IS THAT 10 MINUTES? THREE, THREE MINUTES, THREE, THREE MINUTES.
WHEN THE YELLOW LIGHT STARTS FLASHING, YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS.
FIRST ONE IS CARRIE SNYDER, 300 SHIRLEY ROAD.
SO WE CAN SEE WHERE THEY LIVE.
SHE'S GOT NAME, NAME, AND ADDRESS.
IF YOU COULD, UM, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I, UM, I'M HERE, OF COURSE, IN REGARDS TO, UM, WAYNE HARBIN ADDRESS, I LIVE AT 300 SHIRLEY ROAD.
MA'AM 300 SHIRLEY ROAD, AND I HAVE LIVED AT 300 SHIRLEY ROAD SINCE 2001.
UM, I ALSO OWN TWO 17 SHIRLEY ROAD AS A RENTAL, UM, WHICH, SO I HAVE TWO PROPERTIES ON SHIRLEY ROAD AND WILL BE ALSO INHERITING ONE IN PROBABLY ABOUT FIVE OR SIX YEARS.
SO, UM, I HAVE A, A GREAT CLAIM, UH, TO SEE SHIRLEY ROAD.
UM, BUT AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, I'VE BEEN, SINCE I'VE BEEN A LONG TERM RESIDENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I RECOMMEND THAT MR. HARBIN, UM, HIS REQUEST FOR A TOURIST RENTAL BE APPROVED AS A, AS A HOMEOWNER, A PROUD HOMEOWNER OF SEAFORD.
I REALLY LOVE LIVING IN SEAFORD.
I BELIEVE SEAFORD YOUR COUNTY IS A GREAT PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO VACATION IN ANY WAY THAT WE CAN HELP OUR COMMUNITY AND WELCOMING VACATIONERS.
I BELIEVE IT'S SOME, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD DO.
IT HELPS OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES, UM, FOR ANY TOURIST TO BE THERE.
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LIVES A MERE FEET AWAY, UM, TO AT, FOR, FROM 1 0 6 SHIRLEY ROAD, HE WOULD BE CLOSELY MONITORING GUESTS, STAYING IN THE PROPERTY.I DIDN'T, I DON'T SEE WHERE THIS WOULD NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ALSO, MY SON IS IN THE COAST GUARD.
I AM A LIAISON FOR THE PARENTS OF COAST GUARD, MEN AND WOMEN FOR THE YORKTOWN TRACE AND BASE YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA.
AS A LIAISON, I SEND OUT INFORMATION TO PARENTS, UM, ABOUT TOURISTS, THINGS TO DO IN THE TOURISTS AND ALSO LODGING PLACE FOR THEM TO STAY.
AND THIS WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE IF THEY WERE COMING TO SEE THEIR CHILD GRADUATE, WHERE THEY COULD RENT FOR THREE DAYS AND BE WITH THEIR SON OR DAUGHTER.
SO I KIND OF A SELFISH THING THERE, BUT I REALLY, UM, THINK, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THIS WOULD AFFECT US IN ANY WAY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, MR. HARBIN, ALL THE HARS HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A REALLY LONG TIME AND VERY REPUTABLE IN ARE IN SEAFORD IN YORK COUNTY.
AND I JUST, I RECOMMEND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD THING.
AND IF THEY, UH, IF THEIR PERMIT, UM, APPROVED.
UH, MS. SNYDER AND I'LL CALL UP THE NEXT PERSON.
AND IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND AGAIN, THREE MINUTES, JOHN MOORE, 1 0 5 CLUB WAY, SEAFORD, AFFECTIONATELY, KNOWN TO EVERYBODY ELSE AS JEFF
UM, I OWN 1 0 5 SHIRLEY ROAD DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM 1 0 6 MM-HMM
I COME FROM A MILLS FAMILY THAT HAS OWNED THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, UH, FOR GENERATIONS.
NOW I CAME TO, UH, SUPPORT WAYNE'S APPLICATION.
UM, AND THAT'S, UH, PRETTY MUCH ALL I NEED TO SAY.
THE NEXT NAME I HAVE IS DOUG HARBIN, DOUG HARBIN, 2 0 2 LANDING ROAD.
UM, I'VE GROWN UP IN SEAFORD, BEEN THERE 45 YEARS.
UM, ACTUALLY KIND OF, IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE
UM, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I THINK PEOPLE THAT HAVE KNOWN OUR FAMILY FOR ALL THE YEARS THAT WE'VE LIVED THERE, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WAYNE'S CERTAINLY GONNA DO, UH, A GREAT JOB IN MANAGING THIS AND HE CERTAINLY DOESN'T WANT, UM, YOU KNOW, ANY RIP RAP, YOU KNOW, STAYING, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE SHIRT SHORT TERM RENTAL, HE HAS THE ABILITY TO RIGHT, BEING RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD, OF COURSE, WITH ALL OF OUR FAMILY BEING LOCAL, UM, AND AROUND SEAFORD, UM, TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, GET PEOPLE OUT IF, IF THERE'S ANY ISSUE, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC WAS A BIG, UM, YOU KNOW, WAS A BIG, UM, CONCERN OF A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS.
UM, I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS, UH, 10, 11 AND 12 AND 13, MY SUMMER JOB WAS SELLING CRABS OF YU AND FREEMANS.
UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN HERE, UH, FOR A LONG TIME, DON'T REALIZE WHAT SHIRLEY ROAD WAS.
I MEAN, WE HAD YU AND FREEMAN'S WITH TRUCKS COMING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD, CARRYING CRABS.
MILLS WAS PROBABLY AT ITS HEIGHT THEN, UM, OBVIOUSLY IT'S BEEN TURNED AROUND NOW, SO IT'S DOING REALLY WELL.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS TRAFFIC THERE.
WE HAD CALVIN HUDGINS, UM, PROBABLY EMPLOYED EIGHT TO 10 PEOPLE, TRUCKS COMING AND GOING STEVE FOR SCALLOP COMPANY.
UM, YOU KNOW, UH, MR. WELLS BUILT THE ICE HOUSE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD.
ANYWAY, IT'S ALWAYS HAD KIND OF A COMMERCIAL ASPECT TO IT.
SO A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT, THAT HAVE MOVED IN RECENTLY NEVER REALLY GOT TO SEE WHAT IT USED, WHAT IT WAS.
IT WAS MORE TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD THEN THAN THERE IS NOW.
UM, WE TURNED DOWN BACK CREEK ROAD, I THINK THERE WAS THREE OR FOUR TRAILERS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
UM, AND THERE HAS BEEN SOME HOUSES BUILT, SOME OF THEM FILL A LOT.
SO, UM, AGAIN, FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, I FEEL LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS GONNA BE LIMITED TRAFFIC DURING PEAK SEASONS.
YOU KNOW, WE WANNA, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA SUPPORT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE MARINA HAS TURNED AROUND, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE AN ASSET, UH, THAT SOMEBODY HAS BOUGHT THAT.
AND SO IT'S NOT JUST BEING RUN DOWN TO THE GROUND TO SUPPORT THAT PEOPLE COMING IN TOWN, SHORT TERM RENTALS, FISHING, UM, GOING OVER TO BUY, YOU KNOW,
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SANDWICHES AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT THEY HAVE TO OFFER THERE.UM, AND AGAIN, AS THIS HOUSE WAS A HISTORIC PART OF SEAFORD, UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE HAD A CHOICE TO EITHER, YOU KNOW, HE WAYNE CUT A, TO TORE THE HOUSE DOWN AND, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO DO HIS ADDITION, BUT HE DIDN'T, HE DECIDED TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO MOVE IT DOWN THE ROAD.
SO, UM, I'M SURE THEY'RE GONNA DO A GREAT JOB AND, AND MANAGING THIS.
UM, APPRECIATE IT, PLEASE APPROVE IT.
AND, UM, OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ROBERT M. ALEXANDER.
ROBERT ALEXANDER 1 0 8 HARBOR CRESCENT, C FORD.
I WAS A BUSINESS OWNER IN GRAFTON FOR 47 YEARS.
RECENTLY RETIRED MY GRANDMOTHER BORN AND RAISED IN SEAFORD.
SEAFORD IS A GYM FOR YORK COUNTY, AND SEAFORD IS BECOMING MORE OF A GYM BECAUSE THEY'RE PEOPLE DOING THINGS LIKE BONNIE AND WAYNE ARE DOING IS A REALLY CLOSE TIE HERE.
I THINK OF THE, THE IMPROVEMENTS AND THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON AT MILLS MARINA IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THEY TIE TOGETHER REAL GOOD.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE JEOPARDIZING THE COMMUNITY IN ANY WAY.
I'VE HAD THE GOOD FORTUNE TO KNOW WADE AND BONNIE FOR 42 YEARS.
THEY WERE MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS FOR OUR LONG TIME, AND I KNOW THEM TO BE MINDFUL AND CONSIDERATE OF THEIR NEIGHBORS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAVE APPLIED TO HAVE THIS AIRBNB CLOSE TO THEIR NEW HOME ON SHIRLEY IN ZEOR, WHICH IS A VERY, A BIG ASSET.
THERE'S A DEFINITE VOID IN SEAFORD FOR SHORT TIME ACCOMMODATIONS I'VE RECENTLY HAD THE NEED TO FIND ACCOMMODATIONS FOR CLOSE FAMILY OR FUNERALS, WEDDINGS, AND GRADUATIONS.
I THINK THIS WOULD BE A REAL PLUS FOR THE COMMUNITY OF SEAFORD.
I HOPE YOU'LL APPROVE THE APPLICATION.
MR. ALEXANDER, UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER CITIZENS THAT DIDN'T SIGN UP THAT WISH TO SPEAK? OKAY.
THEN WE CLOSE THAT SCENE ON CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND IF ANY OF OUR COMMISSIONERS HAVE A COMMENT START WITH YOU.
UM, THE, UH, MY, I HAD SOME CONCERN WITH THE APPLICATION BECAUSE OF, UH, THE LOCATION, THE SMALLNESS OF THE STREET AND EVERYTHING.
UM, BUT IT, IT SEEMS LIKE, UM, COMMUNITY IS, UH, IN SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
AND, UH, SO, UH, I'LL, I'LL SUPPORT IT.
I TOO, I ECHO SOME OF MR. PETER MISS COMMENTS.
I, I WAS HAPPY TO HEAR AS WHO, AS MR. HOLROYD MENTIONED AT OUR MEETING A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE MR. HARBIN LIVED, BUT I GUESS YOU SETTLE THAT ISSUE.
AND, UH, SO, UH, I'M SATISFIED THAT WE'LL HAVE EYES ON WHAT'S GOING ON AND, AND, AND YOU HAVE VESTED INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY.
SO THE ONLY COMMENTS I HAVE, OKAY, MR. HOLMAN, I ECHO, UH, WHAT COMMISSIONER KING HAS INDICATED.
UM, I TOO HAD AN ISSUE OF, UH, WHETHER OR NOT HE WAS ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY AND COULD MANAGE IT CORRECTLY.
UM, THAT'S BEEN SETTLED WITH THE DRIVER'S LICENSE CHANGE, SO THANK YOU.
AND, UH, I'M READY TO SUPPORT.
I NEED TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE APPLICATION.
I MOVE TO APPROVE RESOLUTION PC 22 DASH 21 R RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
AND, UM, THE MOTION BY MR. KING IS TO ADOPT PC 22 DASH 21 R TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE A TOURIST HOME LOCATED AT 1 0 6 SHIRLEY ROAD, MR. KING.
[Application No. UP-999-22, Ashley Anderson: Request for a Special Use Permit, pursuant to Section 24.1-306 (category 1, no. 6) of the York County Zoning Ordinance, to authorize the establishment of a tourist home on a 0.2-acre parcel (G14c-0187-2338) located at 141 West Semple Road (Route 726). The property is zoned R13 (High Density Single-Family Residential) and is designated High Density Residential in the Comprehensive Plan.]
APPLICANT IS, UH, U P 99, 9 DASH 22, AND IT HAS A R BY IT.[00:30:01]
FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A TOURIST HOME AND AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING LOCATED AT 1 41 WEST TEMPLES.THE TWO TENTHS OF AN ACRE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE NELSON CIRCLE, SUBDIVISION LESS THAN A HALF MILE FROM THE JAMES YORK PLAZA SHOPPING CENTER, SUBJECT PARCEL.
AND ALL THE SURROUNDING PARCELS ARE ZONED R 13 FOR HIGH DENSITY, SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL AS INDICATED BY THE YELLOW COLOR SHOWN ON THIS MAP, HEY, TO THE NORTH OF THE SUBJECT.
PROPERTY IS COLONIAL AVENUE BEYOND THAT OUR THREE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES TO THE EAST AND SOUTH ARE TWO SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES.
AND TO THE WEST IS WEST SIMPLE ROAD.
AND TWO MORE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES BEYOND THE APPROXIMATELY 811 SQUARE FOOT DWELLING HAS TWO BEDROOMS, ONE BATHROOM, A KITCHEN LIVING ROOM AND LAUNDRY ROOM.
SOME PROPOSED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING.
UM, THE TOURIST HOME WOULD BE RENTED AS A WHOLE HOUSE.
THE, THE RENTAL OF INDIVIDUAL ROOMS WOULD BE PROHIBITED, UH, WITH AN OCCUPANCY OF UP TO FOUR PERSONS AND LENGTHS OF STAY RANGING FROM A MINIMUM OF TWO AND A MAXIMUM OF 14 CONTINUOUS NIGHTS.
THE APPLICANT STATED, UH, SHE DOES NOT WANT TO HAVE, UH, SHE DOES NOT WISH TO HAVE SIGNS ADVERTISING THE TOURIST HOME ON THE PROPERTY.
SO STAFF HAS PROPOSED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THEM.
AND FINALLY, THE USE PERMIT WOULD TERMINATE UPON THE TRANSFER OF PROPERTY OWNERSHIP, RIGHT? THE STANDARDS FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS REQUIRE THE OWNER PROPRIETOR TO RESIDE IN THE HOME OR IN AN ADJACENT PREMISES OR DESIGNATE A RESPONSIBLE PARTY.
YOU CAN PROMPTLY RESPOND TO AND RESOLVE PROBLEMS OR COMPLAINTS THAT ARISE WHILE RENTALS ARE IN PLACE.
THE APPLICANT STATED SHE WOULD STAY IN YORKTOWN WHEN RENTALS ARE TAKING PLACE.
AND THAT HER ADJACENT NEIGHBOR WHO RESIDES AT ONE 15 COLONIAL AVENUE, MR. HENRY ROBERTSON WOULD BE AVAILABLE IN HIS HOME AND SERVE AS THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY.
THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A LETTER FROM HIM AFFIRMING HIS COMMITMENT TO THIS RESPONSIBILITY, A COPY OF WHICH YOU RECEIVE IN YOUR PACKAGE.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO ANSWER, ASK HIM ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, A CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN PROPOSED THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY TO RESIDE AND BE PRESENT AT ONE 15 COLONIAL AVENUE WHILE RENTALS ARE TAKING PLACE.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES THREE PARKING SPACES FOR THE PROPOSED USE, UH, ONE SPACE PLUS ONE FOR EACH SLEEPING ROOM.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CURRENTLY DOES NOT HAVE A DRIVEWAY.
ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT SKETCH PLAN, SHE WOULD MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS BY INSTALLING AN APPROXIMATELY 522 SQUARE FOOT, THREE CAR DRIVEWAY CONSTRUCTED OF AN ALL WEATHER SURFACE.
AND ACCORDING TO THE INSTITUTE OF TRAFFIC, ENGINEERS, TRIP GENERATION MANUAL, A TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY, DETACHED DWELLING GENERATES AN AVERAGE OF 9.4 TRIPS PER DAY, WHILE NO TRIP GENERATION ESTIMATES ARE AVAILABLE FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS, SIMILAR USES FOR THIS INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE, ARE TIMESHARE UNITS, WHICH GENERATE AN AVERAGE OF 8.6 TRIPS PER DAY AND OCCUPIED MOTEL ROOMS, WHICH GENERATE AN AVERAGE OF 4.4 TRIPS PER DAY.
THE NUMBER OF PEAK HOUR TRIPS FOR BOTH USES IS LESS THAN ONE.
ACCORDING TO 2020 VITA ESTIMATES.
THE SECTION OF COLONIAL AVENUE BETWEEN, UH, HUBBARD LANE AND WEST SIMPLE ROAD CARRIES APPROXIMATELY 690 VEHICLES PER DAY.
STAFF DOES NOT BELIEVE THE PROPOSED TOURIST HOME WOULD HAVE A NOTICEABLE IMPACT ON COLONIAL AVENUE.
UH, THERE'S ONE APPROVED SHORT TERM RENTAL IN THE NELSON CIRCLE SUBDIVISION WHERE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED.
UH, RYAN MOLEYS TORRES HOME AT ONE 13 AL AVENUE IS LOCATED TWO TENTHS OF A MILE FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, RIGHT? GIVEN THE ABSENCE OF SIGNAGE, THE SMALL SIZE OF THE HOME, THE LOW NUMBER OF RENTERS THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED AT ANY ONE TIME.
AND THE PROXIMITY OF THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY STAFFED DOES NOT BELIEVE THE PROPOSED TORRESS HOME IS LIKELY TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
FURTHERMORE, AT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A LETTER SIGNED BY HER NEIGHBORS AFFIRMING THEIR SUPPORT OF HER APPLICATION IN THE PAST.
CONCERNS HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED THAT THE USE OF EXISTING DWELLINGS AS TOURIST HOMES CAN REDUCE THE SUPPLY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
HOWEVER, STEP DOES NOT BELIEVE THIS, UH, THAT CONCERN IS VALID IN THIS CASE.
UH, THE APPLICANT PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY, NOT AS AN INVESTMENT, BUT AS HER PRIMARY RESIDENCE, SHE INDICATED SHE WOULD RESIDE IN YOUR HOME WHEN RENTALS ARE NOT TAKING PLACE.
UH, AND THUS THE PRINCIPAL USE WOULD REMAIN RESIDENTIAL AS LONG AS SHE OWNS THE PROPERTY.
WHEN SHE SELLS IT, THE USE PERMIT WOULD EXPIRE AND THE HOME WOULD CONTINUE TO BE PART OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING STOCK.
SO FOR THESE REASONS, STAFF DOES NOT BELIEVE THE PROPOSED TOURIST HOME WOULD HAVE ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEARBY PROPERTIES OR IN THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEREFORE STAFF RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS SET FORTH AND PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 22 DASH 22 R.
AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.
HAD ONE QUESTION FOR YOU, MS. UH, CIRO.
OKAY, MR. HOLROYD, UM, ARE THERE OTHER, UH, SHORT TERM
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RENTALS OUTSIDE OF THIS, UH, UH, SUBDIVISION, BUT STILL WITHIN A HALF MILE RADIUS? I BELIEVE THERE MAY BE.LET ME CHECK IN A HALF MILE RADIUS.
UM, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT HOW THE CROW FLIES.
CAN YOU POINT OUT THE, UH, ONE 50 IN, UH, THE ADDRESS COLONIAL AVENUE? WHERE IS THAT IN PROXIMITY ON YOUR MAP TO THE PROPOSAL PLEASE? YES.
IT'S THE, UH, OUTLINE IN YELLOW.
UM, WELL, UM, UH, JUST A CLARIFICATION YOU ASKED IF THERE WAS ANOTHER SHORT TERM RENTAL WITHIN, YOU SAID A HALF MILE RADIUS, CORRECT? YES.
COURSE HOME IS ACCORDING TO THE STAFF REPORT.
IT'S FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION.
I ASKED IF THERE'S ANY OTHERS OUTSIDE OF THE SUBDIVISION, BUT STILL IN THE, WELL, IT'S ACTUALLY IN A DIFFERENT SUBDIVISION.
I, I, I SEE THE DISTINCTION YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO COME FORWARD, HI.
HI, WE'LL NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
ASHLEY ANDERSON 1 41 WEST SIMPLE ROAD.
UM, I'M SEEKING APPROVAL FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO RENT MY RESIDENCE 1 41 WEST SIMPLE ROAD AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL, PRIMARILY DURING THE MONTHS OF MAY THROUGH SEPTEMBER, UM, WITH A FEW OTHER WEEKENDS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
UM, I PURCHASED THE HOME IN SUMMER OF 2020, UM, AS MY FIRST HOME, UM, FAMILY AND FRIENDS, UH, HELPED ME RENOVATE IT FULLY.
UM, I'M NOW AT A POINT WHERE I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER IT AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL, UM, TO SMALL FAMILIES OR COUPLES THAT ARE VISITING THE HISTORIC TRIANGLE.
UM, IT IS CENTRALLY LOCATED TWO AND A HALF MILES FROM CW, THREE MILES FROM WILLIAM AND MARY FIVE AND A HALF MILES TO BUSH GARDENS.
UM, THE HOUSE IS LOCATED IN A TIGHT KNIT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I KNOW ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS PERSONALLY, ONE OF THEM, UM, IS HERE TONIGHT.
UM, LIKE SHE SAID, I SPOKE TO ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS, UM, DIRECTLY AND EXPLAINED TO THEM THE PERMIT, WHY I WAS APPLYING FOR IT, UM, AND ANSWERED ANY QUESTIONS THEY HAD.
UM, THEY WERE ALL IN FAVOR AND THEY HAPPILY SIGNED THE DOCUMENT, UM, THAT WE HAVE IN THE PACKET.
UM, WHILE IT'S BEING RENTED, I WILL BE STAYING IN THE COUNTY IN YORKTOWN, NOT TOO FAR AWAY.
UM, HOWEVER, MY NEIGHBOR HANK WHO'S HERE, HE HAS AGREED TO BE THE DESIGNATED RESPONSIBLE PARTY.
UM, I PLAN TO RENT THE HOME THROUGH AIRBNB, UM, AND HAVE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THAT.
UM, SO I FEEL CONFIDENT IN MY ABILITY, UM, TO OFFER A GREAT EXPERIENCE TO MY GUESTS.
UM, SINCE IT WILL BE MY PRIMARY RESIDENCE, UM, I WILL HAVE HOUSE RULES AND GUIDELINES, UM, IN PLACE.
AND THE GUESTS WILL BE ASKED TO REVIEW THOSE AND AGREE TO THOSE PRIOR TO APPROVAL.
UM, ADDITIONALLY THOSE GUIDELINES WILL BE PLACED INSIDE OF THE HOUSE, UM, IN A BINDER WITH EMERGENCY INFORMATION, UM, AND OTHER STUFF TO DO IN THE AREA.
UM, I CHOSE TO USE AIRBNB CUZ IT'S A PLATFORM THAT ALLOWS, UM, OTHER HOSTS TO LEAVE REVIEWS ON THESE RENTERS.
UM, SO I HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPROVE OR DENY ANYONE WHO APPLIES TO RENT THE HOUSE.
UM, SO IF I SEE REVIEWS FROM THEM THAT I FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE WITH, I CAN DENY THEIR APPLICATION.
UM, LIKE I SAID, WITH THIS BEING MY FIRST HOME, I'LL BE PROACTIVE AND AWARE OF WHAT IS GOING ON WHILE IT'S RENTED.
UM, AND I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY, SO THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MS. ANDERSON, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.
AND THEN WE HAVE A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS FIRST ONE IS HENRY ROBERTSON.
GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
MY NAME IS HENRY B. ROBERTSON.
I SECOND, I RESIDE AT ONE 15 COLONIAL AVENUE WHERE I'VE LIVED FOR THE BETTER PART OF 48 YEARS.
I'VE SEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE COME AND GO THIS 1 41 WEST SIMPLE, BUT I'M GONNA TELL YOU NOBODY HAS TAKEN AN INTEREST IN BUILDING AND MAKING SUCH A BEAUTIFUL HOME POSITION.
YOUNG LADY HERE HAS I'VE, UH, THOROUGHLY ENJOYED HER TIME.
AND I JUST HOPE THIS APPLICATION IS APPROVED.
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WILL BE THERE.UH, I DO HAVE A SMALL BUSINESS, BUT I'M ONLY GONE TWO OR THREE HOURS A DAY AND I'M AT HOME WITH MY PETS.
IF THEY HAVE ANY PROBLEMS, QUESTIONS, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO HELP HIM OUT.
AS ASHLEY KNOWS THERE AGAIN, I COULD SIT HERE AND LET Y'ALL LOOK AT ME FOR ANOTHER TWO AND A HALF MINUTES, BUT Y'ALL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
AND I HAVE ONE MORE, UH, RICHARD HOWELL.
I LIVE AT 1 0 4 HORSESHOE DRIVE.
UM, NOW I DON'T KNOW ASHLEY AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ASHLEY.
UH, THIS IS REALLY A BIGGER ISSUE.
I'VE MENTIONED IT BEFORE I BRING IT BACK TO YOU AGAIN.
UM, AND YOU'VE EVEN ADDRESSED IT A COUPLE OF TIMES.
AND IT'S THE CONCERN ABOUT HOW MANY OR TOO MANY DENSITY WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT.
I'VE HAD CONCERNS AND VOICE CONCERNS THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A STAGNANT THING.
WE'VE SEEN THE MASSIVE RAMP UP IN APPLICATIONS IN JUST THE LAST YEAR.
THIS IS THE BULK OF YOUR MEETING EVERY TIME NOW, MOSTLY.
AND, AND MY CONCERN IS WITHOUT SOME DEFINITIVE GUIDELINE ON DENSITY, WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO STOP IN ANYMORE WHERE WE CAN'T KEEP FROM TURNING WHOLE NEIGHBORHOODS INTO AIRBNB, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL 'EM ENCLAVES.
SO I VOICED THAT CONCERN, NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT THIS ONE, BUT IN GENERAL, WE NEED TO ESTABLISH SOME RULE.
NOW WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU HAVE 1.2 MILES AWAY.
THERE IS ONE, ONE MILE AWAY WAS PROVED NOT TOO LONG AGO AS A WHOLE HOUSE.
THE ONE IN EAL IS A WHOLE HOUSE AND THERE ARE TWO OTHERS WITHIN THE TWO MILE RADIUS.
SO JUST THAT'S AT LEAST ONE MORE THAT'S UP FOR APPROVAL.
CAN I MAKE CLARIFICATION? SO, YES.
UH, I CHECKED, UM, THE DISTANCE.
I DIDN'T FIND ANY THAT ARE WITHIN A ONE MILE DRIVING RADIUS.
UM, I THAT'S WHAT HE JUST MENTIONED.
SO I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT, UM, THERE'S ONE, THAT'S 1.6 DRIVING MILES, ONE THAT'S 1.7 DRIVING MILES, NONE WITHIN A ONE MILE RADIUS.
WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT.
AND UM, DO THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANYTHING THAT WE SHOULD ADDRESS? YEAH, I, I HAD SOME CONCERN BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THERE WAS, UH, ANOTHER, UH, LOW, UH, SHORT TERM RENTAL WITHIN A SHORT DISTANCE AWAY.
UM, BUT, UH, I THINK THE SUPPORT OF THE NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORS AND, UH, THE FACT THAT HER NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR IS GOING TO BE THERE.
UH, WHENEVER THERE'S A RENTAL AND SHE'S ONLY GOING TO BE DOING IT, DOING THE, THE, THE TOURIST SEASON BASICALLY MADE A SEPTEMBER.
UM, MAN CHAIR, THE, I, I UNDERSTAND THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE SATURATION CONCERNS.
UH, AS WE ALL KNOW, USE PERMITS ARE, ARE, UH, STANDALONE BASED ON A MERITS OF EACH INDIVIDUAL APPLICATION AND THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT.
AND, UM, I THINK THAT, UH, AGREE WITH, UH, ONE OF MR. PETERMAN COMMENTS ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE MOST DIRECTLY IMPACTED THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR WHO'S PRIMARY PERSON WILL BE AFFECTED BY THIS IS SUPPORTS IT AND IS THERE TO ASSIST AND HELP.
UH, I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH CONDITIONS TO LIMIT, UH, ANY POTENTIAL IMPACTS AND I'LL BE SUPPORTING IT.
WELL, I, I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS MADE, I THINK MISS MS. ANDERSON, UH, MADE A VERY GOOD PRESENTATION TO US.
I THINK SHE'S COVERED MOST OF WHAT WE WOULD LOOK FOR IN A, IN A, AN AIRBNB, UH, OR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
I STILL COME BACK TO THE DENSITY.
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IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, IS STARTING TO CLIMB IN THAT AREA AND, AND, UM, 0.2 MILES AWAY FOR THE MOBLIE, UH, A LITTLE OVER A MILE FOR THE OTHER TWO.SO I'M GONNA CONTINUE TO REGISTER THAT AS MY, UH, ISSUE MM-HMM
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CONCUR WITH MR. HURO, UM, IT'S NARROW STREETS, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GONNA GET THREE PARKING SPACES IN THAT BACKYARD.
UH, SO I, AND AGAIN, AM CONCERNED WITH THE NUMBERS OF RENTALS IN THAT AREA.
SO I WILL NOT SUPPORT AND UNCOMFORTABLE.
I MOVE THAT WE, UH, UM, VOTE ON, UH, UP 99, 22.
WELL, YOU NEED TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION NUMBER, RE R 22 PC 2222 R I MOVE THAT WE, UH, APPROVE PC 22 DASH 22 R.
VOTE THE MOTION BY MR. RY IS TO ADOPT PC 22 DASH 22 R TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIAL YEAST PERMIT FOR A TOURIST HOME AT 1 41 WEST SIMPLE ROAD.
NO, MS. LITUM NO, THE MOTION FAILED DUE TO A THAI VOTE.
THIS APPLICATION, HERE'S MY THING.
[Application No. ZM-193-22, Celia and Timothy Whitlatch: Request to amend the York County Zoning Map by reclassifying two parcels containing a total of 0.39 acre of land (GPINs U09c-0060-1118 and U09c-0091-1175) located at 2200 and 2200A Seaford Road (Route 622) from RR (Rural Residential) to NB (Neighborhood Business). The property is designated LowDensity Residential in the Comprehensive Plan. The Low Density Residential designation is intended to provide opportunities for single-family detached housing having a maximum density of 1.0 dwelling unit per acre. The NB district is intended to provide opportunities for limited types of commercial activities within or near residential districts and oriented primarily toward serving the day-to-day needs of nearby residential communities. The applicants have indicated that they wish to use the existing vacant commercial building on the property for a small retail store.]
AND OUR NEXT APPLICATION NUMBER ZM 1 93, ZM 1 93 DASH 22.I WANNA GO IN, UH, JUST BRIEFLY THE, UH, GO OVER THE BACKGROUND OF THE LAND USE AND ZONING OF THE PROPERTY.
A COMMERCIAL BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED ON THE PROPERTY IN 1962, REMAINED IN COMMERCIAL USE AS AN OFFICE AND AN, UH, ELECTRIC COMPONENTS, LITTLE SERVICE BUSINESS UNTIL, UM, APPROXIMATELY 2012.
ACCORDING TO THE PROPERTY OWNER FROM 2012 TO THE PRESIDENT, IT HAD JUST BEEN USED FOR STORAGE BY THE, UH, INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER WAS NOT IN COMMERCIAL USE THE ZONING HISTORY.
UM, OUR FIRST ZONING MAP THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 1957, IT WAS OWND B ONE BUSINESS, UH, AS PART OF A COMPREHENSIVE COUNTYWIDE REZONING IN 1985, IT WAS CHANGED TO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, WHICH WAS A INTRODUCTION OF A NEW ZONING DISTRICT RECOGNIZED LOCAL BUSINESS USES IN 1995, AGAIN, AS PART OF A, UH, COMPREHENSIVE COUNTYWIDE REZONING.
IT WAS CHANGED TO, UM, OUR, OUR RURAL RESIDENTIAL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HISTORY.
OUR FIRST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN 1976, UH, AND IT WAS DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL RETAIL AS PART OF, UH, OVERALL NODE WITH THE PROPERTIES TO THE, UH, EAST OF IT.
AND I'LL SHOW YOU A MAP OF THAT IN A MOMENT, 1983, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATED, UH, IT WAS CHANGED TO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND IN 1999, UH, COMPREHENSIVE, UH, PLAN UPDATED UPDATE, IT WAS CHANGED TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
IT WAS A VICINITY MAP OF THE AREA OF THE APPLICANTS.
UH, PROPERTIES ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED SURROUNDING USES INCLUDE, UH, THE CEMETERY ASSOCIATED WITH THE ZION BAPTIST CHURCH, UH, ADJACENT, NOT BAPTIST.
UM, OH, TO THE SOUTH, UH, THE SEAFORD WOMEN'S CLUB IS ACROSS THE, UH, CLUB ROAD CLUB WAY AND
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THEN SINGLE FAMILY, UH, DETACHED HOUSES TO THE EAST, UM, IS A OFFICE BUILDING THE SEAFORD MARKET COUNTY PUMP STATION AND THE POST OFFICE TO THE NORTH ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SEAFORD ROAD.UH, THERE ARE TWO, UM, SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS AND THEN THE, UM, THE CHURCH TWO PARCELS, UH, TOTAL 0.39 ACRE.
SO, UM, RIGHT AROUND A THIRD OF AN ACRE, A LITTLE TRIANGULAR PIECE, THERE IS ACTUALLY A, UH, RESIDUAL PARCEL THAT WAS LEFT OVER FROM WHEN, UH, THE CLUB WAY, WHICH IS A PRIVATE ROAD WAS PLATTED BY, UH, SPLIT BY DEED BACK IN THE 1960S, ALONG WITH THIS OTHER LITTLE TRIANGLE PIECE ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE, UH, THERE EXIST A 1040 SMALL SQUARE FOOT COMMERCIAL BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY, UH, WHEN IT WAS IN ACTIVE COMMERCIAL USE THAT HAD A DRIVEWAY OUT TO, UH, CLUB ROAD, THE APPLICANTS, UH, PLAN TO RENOVATE THE EXISTING BUILDING, UH, FOR USE IS A SMALL RETAIL PLANT SHOP.
UH, THEY WOULD NEED TO CONSOLIDATE THE PARCELS AS PART OF THAT CHANGE IN USE, UH, AND NEW DRIVEWAY AND PARKING PLACE, UH, PARKING SPACES, UH, FIVE WOULD BE REQUIRED HERE THAT WOULD MEET TODAY'S, UH, CURRENT PARKING STANDARDS.
UH, NEW PARKING, UH, A NEW DRIVEWAY WOULD PROBABLY BE OFF OF SEA ROAD.
UM, THEY WOULD ONLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO ACCESS, UM, CLUB ROAD, WHICH IS PART OF A PRIVATE ACCESS EASEMENT EASEMENT HOLDERS ARE THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ALONG THERE.
SO HE WOULD HAVE TO GET PERMISSION AND COORDINATE WITH THEM.
UM, MORE LIKELY, UH, THEY WOULD, UH, GET A NEW DRIVEWAY, UH, OUT TO, UH, TO SEAFORD ROAD.
THEY WOULD ALSO BE SUBJECT TO THE, UH, TRANSITIONAL BUFFER LANDSCAPE REGULATIONS.
UM, THAT WOULD BE 12 AND A HALF FEET AGAINST, UH, ALONG THE COMMON BOUNDARY WITH THE CEMETERY TO THE WEST 20 FEET ALONG SEAFORD ROAD AND 25 FEET, UH, ALONG THE TWO SIDES OF THE PROPERTY THAT, UM, ARE ADJACENT TO CLUB WAY.
SO ZONING, UM, MAP OF THE PROPERTY, AS I MENTIONED, ZONED RURAL RESIDENTIAL, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS, UM, IS IT'S A SEAFORD MARKET AND OFFICE SPACE ALONG THERE.
THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PART OF A, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS ZONING.
UM, ACTUALLY IT WAS STILL IN COMMERCIAL USE, WIND AS PART OF THAT COMPREHENSIVE REZONING.
IT WAS CHANGED TO RURAL RESIDENTIAL.
UH, IT'S ALSO WITHIN THE RESOURCE PROTECTION AREA DUE TO ITS PROXIMITY TO, UH, GOOSE CREEK TO THE SOUTH.
AND, UH, AS I MENTIONED, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES IT, UH, FOR LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, IT'S AN AERIAL, UM, OF THE PROPERTY OUTLINED IN RED.
UM, DO YOU NOTE, THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S SEVERAL LARGE EVERGREEN TREES THERE THAT WOULD BE USED TO, UH, CREDIT FOR LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS AND PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE AREA.
THIS IS THE, UH, APPLICANT'S PROPERTY FROM ACROSS SEAFORD ROAD AND LOOKING WEST DOWN SEAFORD CHURCH ON YOUR RIGHT, AND YOU JUST SEE THE CEMETERY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, LOOKING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
SEAFORD MARKET IS THE BIG BUILDING WITH GREEN ROOF AND THEN OFFICE BUILDING NEXT TO IT, UM, POST OFFICE BEYOND THE MARKET.
AND ANOTHER PICTURE THAT SAME DIRECTION SHOWING THE APPLICANTS BUILDING, UH, IN CONTEXT WITH THE REST OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, STANDING ON, UH, CLUB WAY, LOOKING, UH, APPLICANT'S PROPERTY TO THE LEFT.
THAT'S THE REMNANTS REMNANTS OF THE, UH, PARKING LOT AND DRIVEWAY, UM, TO YOUR LEFT THERE, LOOKING AT THE TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ACROSS SEAFORD LOOKING THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION DOWN CLUB WAY, SINGLE FAMILY, UM, DWELLINGS DOWN AT THE END OF CLUB WAY, STANDING AT THE BACK PROPERTY CORNER, UH, OF THE SECTION OF CLUB WAY, EASEMENT THAT, UM, SERVES THE SEAFORD WOMEN'S CLUB THAT BUILDING WITH THE GREEN ROOF IN THE BACKGROUND, THERE IS THE SEA MARKET AND THAT BOAT OF COURSE, WOULD BE REMOVED
THIS IS WHERE THE, UH, CLUB WAY SPLITS GOES, UH, TOWARD THE CEMETERY, UM, APPLICANTS PROPERTY ON THE RIGHT.
AND, UH, THIS IS STANDING ON THE APPLICANTS PROPERTY IN THE BACK, LOOKING TOWARD, UH, THE SEAFORD WOMEN'S CLUB ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THERE, THE APPLICANT HAS PROFFERED, UM, SEVERAL USES THAT WOULD BE EXCLUDED USES, UM, SHOULD THE REZONING BE APPROVED THAT I HAVE LISTED HERE MORE INTENSIVE USES THAT NORMALLY WOULD, UH,
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BE, UH, BE PERMITTED IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT PERMITTED BY RIDE USES, UH, WOULD IN INCLUDE A RANGE OF, UM, RETAIL, RETAIL AND SERVICE TYPE USES GEARED TOWARD, UH, LOCAL CONSUMERS AND MORE INTENSIVE USES PERMITTED WITH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UM, ARE LISTED HERE AND WOULD SAY THE MORE INTENSIVE USES BOTH BY RIGHTED WITH AN U WOULD BE PRECLUDED IN THIS CASE BECAUSE OF THE SMALL SIZE, THE LOT, AND ALSO, UM, THE TRANSITIONAL BUFFER REQUIREMENTS AS A SKETCH HERE, THE GREEN SHADED AREA WOULD BE THE TRANSITIONAL BUFFERS.UH, YOU COULD NOT HAVE ANY PART OF ANY BUILDING OR PARKING AREA EXCEPT FOR THE, THE DRIVEWAY WITHIN THAT GREEN AREA THAT ONLY LEAVES ABOUT 6,000 SQUARE FEET OF, OF OPEN AREA LEFT.
SO THE, UH, THERE WOULDN'T BE MUCH, UM, POTENTIAL FOR ANY KIND OF INTENSIVE USE ON THERE.
CONCLUSION WE'D NOTE, THIS IS, UH, HISTORICALLY PART OF A, A NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS ZONE THAT INCLUDED THE POST OFFICE POST OFFICE WAS ACTUALLY A COUPLE DIFFERENT PLACES ALONG THAT, THAT STRIP THERE.
UM, AND THE SEAFORD MARKET, UM, WHAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN READ HERE ARE ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDER NON RESIDENTIAL USES.
UH, AND ACTUALLY THOSE USES HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
IT HAD BEEN ZONED RURAL RESIDENTIAL FOR 26 YEARS AND AT NO TIME, UH, DID IT EVER CONVERT TO RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES? UM, THIS WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONVERT A ESSENTIALLY VACANT COMMERCIAL BUILDING TO A BUSINESS THAT WOULD SERVE THE COMMUNITY.
AND AS I NOTED, THE SMALL PARCEL SIZE WOULD PRECLUDE THE MORE INTENSIVE USES THAT MAY NOT BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE, UH, NEARBY RESIDENTIAL PARCELS STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UH, OF THE REZONING IN ACCORDANCE WITH, UH, RESOLUTION PC 22 DASH 23.
AND I WOULD NOTE WE RECEIVED ONE EMAIL FROM A RESIDENT ON CLUB WAY, UH, IN OPPOSITION TO THE APPLICATION.
AND YOU DID RECEIVE COPIES OF THAT.
I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE AS WELL.
ANY QUESTION, ONE QUESTION, MS. PARKER, DID YOU, UM, INDICATE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROFF TO PROVIDE A DRIVEWAY AND PARKING AREA OFF OF SEAFORD ROAD? IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE A PROFF WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT WHEN THE, UH, FOR THE LAND USE CHANGE.
BUT IT'S NOT IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE, YOU MEAN IN THE, UH, WE DON'T HAVE APPROVAL CONDITIONS WHEN THEY CAME IN TO, TO CHANGE THE USE TO A COM ANOTHER, A NEW, BASICALLY NEW COMMERCIAL USE.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET HIS SITE PLAN AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE NEW DRIVEWAY.
WE'RE GONNA, UM, OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO IF THERE'S ANY, I HAVE A COUPLE NAMES UP HERE.
THE APPLICANT CALL THE APPLICANT.
LET'S SKIP THE WHOLE, THANK YOU.
I LIVE AT 600 YORK POINT ROAD IN SEAFORD.
AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
VERY, UH, THE PRESENTATION GIVEN GAVE MOST OF THE INFORMATION I NEEDED, JUST I CAN PROBABLY CLARIFY A FEW, FEW INTENTIONS OF OURS.
OUR INTENTION IS AS STATED, WAS TO COMPLETELY RENOVATE THE BUILDING.
SO IT WOULD, UH, RIGHT NOW IT'S PRETTY MUCH BROKEN DOWN AND DILAPIDATED.
OUR INTENTION IS TO BRING IN A NEW DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE OFF OF SEAFORD ROAD TO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING WHERE SHOWED THERE WAS ACTUALLY SOME SPACE LEFT TO, TO DO SOMETHING WITH.
AND, UH, THE USAGE IS, UH, PLANNED FOR HOUSE, HOUSE PLANTS AND, UM, CRAFTS, BASICALLY SELLING RETAIL AND THAT'S LITTLE SMALL BUSINESS.
AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH KIND OF ALL I HAVE TO ADD TO THAT, SO.
HAD ONE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, UH, WHAT YOU MEANT BY PLANTS.
UH, THERE'S BEEN ENOUGH CBD BUSINESSES CROPPING.
THESE ARE HOUSE PLANTS AND MY WIFE HOUSE PLANTS HAVE PERENNIALS.
AND RESIDENTS, I HAVE SOME NAMES HERE, TIM.
WHITLATCH OH, YEAH, THAT WAS HIM.
REBECCA NOS, I NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
REBECCA NOS, I RESIDE AT 1 0 2 CLUB WAY, SEA,
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VIRGINIA.I LIVE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES AND I'M OPPOSED TO THE PROPOSED REZONING YEARS AGO, THIS PROPERTY WAS REZONED FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL SO THAT ITS FUTURE USES WOULD FIT THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS COMPRISED OF FAMILIES.
MANY OF WHOM HAVE YOUNG CHILDREN, INCLUDING MY TWO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLERS.
WE RELIED ON THIS ZONING WHEN DECIDING TO PURCHASE OUR HOME AS DID MANY OTHERS IN THE AREA REZONING THIS PROPERTY TO PERMIT RETAIL USES WOULD INCREASE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA.
ALONG WITH OUR NEIGHBORS, WE MAINTAIN A PRIVATE ROAD CLUB WAY THAT IS ADJACENT TO THESE PROPERTIES.
ALTHOUGH THESE PROPERTIES HAVE NO RIGHTS TO USE CLUB WAY.
IT IS INEVITABLE THAT VISITORS TO THESE PROPERTIES, IF FREE ZONE FOR RETAIL USES WOULD USE OUR PRIVATE DRIVE.
NOT ONLY DOES THIS POSE A DANGER TO THE YOUNG CHILDREN THAT USE THE ROAD, IT WOULD ALSO INCREASE OUR MAINTENANCE EXPENSES DUE TO THE INCREASED UNWELCOME AND UN USE.
WHILE THE PROPOSED USE IS NOT NORMALLY ASSOCIATED WITH INCREASED RISK, THE REZONING WOULD PERMIT A BROAD RANGE OF OTHER RETAIL USES.
MANY OF WHICH WOULD FUNDAMENTALLY ALTER THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, POTENTIALLY DEVALUE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES AND INCREASE POTENTIAL SAFETY RISKS.
WHILE THE APPLICANTS PROFFERS ADDRESS SOME OF THESE CONCERNS, THESE REMAIN A NUMBER OF OTHER UNDESIRABLE USES THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE PERMITTED.
SHOULD THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION BE ADOPTED? IT SHOULD CARRY WITH IT.
A RECOMMENDATION OF ADDITIONAL PROFFERS THAT ENSURE THE USE REMAINS CONSISTENT WITH THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
ALTHOUGH THE STAFF NOTED THAT THE SIZE OF THESE PARCELS WOULD LIMIT WOULD LIMIT THE POTENTIAL USES TO THOSE THAT ARE LIKELY TO BE COMPATIBLE COMPATIBLE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD RELIANCE ON THE PARCEL SIZE TO LIMIT USES IS SHORTSIGHTED AND SPECIFIC LIMITATIONS SHOULD BE IMPOSED.
THE PROFFER SHOULD INCLUDE ONE.
THE SITE BE DESIGNED TO SCREEN IT FROM THE REAR TWO SITE DESIGN AND LANDSCAPING SHOULD DIS DISSUADE VISITORS FROM USING CLUB WAY TO ATTEMPT TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY.
THREE, THE SITE SHOULD ONLY BE ACCESSIBLE VIA SEAFORD ROAD.
FOUR HOURS OF OPERATION SHOULD BE LIMITED TO 8:00 AM TO 5:00 PM OR EXCUSE ME, 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM.
MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY AND 10:00 AM TO 5:00 PM ON SUNDAYS FIVE, THE PROPERTY MAY NOT OFFER FOR SALE.
ANY WEAPONS OR ASSOCIATED ACCESSORIES, AMMUNITION, MARIJUANA CBD, DRUG PARAPHERNALIA, ALCOHOL TOBACCO, OR VAPING PRODUCTS, SECONDHAND ITEMS, EXCLUDING ANTIQUES ARTS AIRCRAFTS AUTO PARTS, ADULT PRODUCTS, SIX, THE PROPERTY MAY NOT OFFER SERVICES ASSOCIATED WITH WEAPONS, DRUGS, ALCOHOL TATTOOS, MASSAGES, GAMBLING, GAMING, AUTO REPAIR, KETTLES, AND SEVEN.
THE PROPERTY MUST BE PROPERLY MAINTAINED.
AND OUR NEXT PERSON TO SPEAK IS JOHN MOORE, BETTER NAME IS JEFF JOHN MOORE, UH, 1 0 5 CLUB WAY.
UH, SO OUR PROPERTY IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY, UH, FROM THIS PROPERTY.
UM, KATHY AND I HAVE LIVED THERE SINCE FEBRUARY OF 1984.
THE BUILDING WASN'T IN USE AT THAT TIME, SUSAN AND JOE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY AND BEGAN USING IT.
I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT YEAR TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST.
THEIR BUSINESS WAS, UH, ONLY, UH, FOR USE OF, UH, MANUFACTURING, UM, PROCESS CONTROLLED BOXES.
UM, SO IT WAS, UM, EXTREMELY LIMITED, UH, TRAFFIC THERE.
UM, WHEN JOE DIED, UH, THEY HAD ACTUALLY JUST PRIOR TO THAT, THEY HAD MOVED UP TO THE LITTLE WAREHOUSES, UH, GOING OUTTA SEAFORD ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
UM, AND FUNDAMENTALLY FROM THAT TIME FORWARD, THEY ABANDONED THE PROPERTY, UH, AND HAS BEEN IT'S THEY SAID STORAGE THAT'S KIND OF LAUGHABLE.
UM, AND OF COURSE I'M SURE THAT YOU SAW THE YARD ART THAT THEY LEFT US FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS.
UM, AND, UM, THEY, SHE SAID THAT, OF COURSE THE SAILBOAT WOULD'VE BE REMOVED, BUT OF COURSE IT HASN'T BEEN FOR 20 YEARS AND THAT WOULD BE A BLESSING.
BUT, UM, KATHY AND I ALSO OPPOSED THIS APPLICATION.
THANK YOU, MR. MOORE, AND WE HAVE ONE MORE.
OH, CARLA, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T.
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NAME.IT'S CARLA MUTTON AND 10 17 BAY TREE BEACH ROAD.
I AM A MEMBER AND TRUSTEE OF THE WOMEN'S CLUB OF SEAFORD.
AND AS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, THIS ORGANIZATION HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR OVER 80 YEARS.
THE WOMAN'S CLUB OF SEA WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN BRINGING THE POST OFFICE TO SEAFORD AS WELL AS THE SEAFORD FIREHOUSE AND EQUIPMENT, AND IS A VERY IMPORTANT HISTORIC NOTE.
THE WOMAN OF SEA IN WORLD WARI DID VIGILANTLY KEEP WATCH OF OUR COASTLINE.
I BRING THIS UP TO SHOW THAT THIS ORGANIZATION HAS STRONG BELIEFS IN DOING WHAT IS BEST FOR SEA ITS RESIDENTS AND OUR COUNTRY.
THE CONCERN WITH CHANGING THE ZONING IS THAT IT NOT ONLY DIRECTLY AFFECTS A PROPERTY IN WHICH THE SEAFORD WOMEN'S CLUB HOUSE SITS, IT DIRECTLY AFFECTS OUR LONGTIME RESIDENTIAL, UH, NEIGHBORS AND CHURCHES, AND THE CURRENT BUSINESSES.
THE CONCERNS OF CHANGING THIS ZONING ARE, IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE TO THE RETAIL USE OF THAT PROPERTY, IF, AND WHEN IT CHANGES HANDS ALSO, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY DECIDE TO ADD ON TO THAT PROPERTY AND MAKE THE BUILDING LARGER.
IN ADDITION, IT WILL CREATE A PRECEDENT FOR CHANGING OTHER RURAL RESIDENTIAL AREAS TO, UM, EITHER NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS AND OR COMMERCIAL.
FURTHERMORE, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, SEAFORD ROAD DOES NOT HAVE A SEAFORD DOES NOT HAVE A THOROUGH FAIR THAT IS CONDUCIVE TO A RETAIL ENVIRONMENT.
IN CLOSING, AS I REPRESENT THE WOMEN'S CLUB OF SEAFORD, WE ARE NOT OPEN TO CHANGING THIS ZONING.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTED TO ADDRESS THIS, THAT DIDN'T SIGN UP? NO.
WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, CAN YOU COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE? SO I WALKED THE PROPERTY AND, UH, UH, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THE FACT THAT THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ARE, ARE RIGHT ALONG THAT LINE OF SEA.
YOU HAVE THE MARKET, YOU HAVE THE OFFICE BUILDING, YOU HAD THIS LOCATION, WHICH WAS COMMERCIAL.
UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE HOUSES AND THE WOMEN'S CLUB FURTHER BACK, UH, MADE ME THINK, OKAY, THE BUILDING ITSELF IS DERELICT.
UM, IT IS A VERY SMALL PROPERTY.
UM, THE FACT THAT THE PLAN IS TO PUT THE DRIVEWAY AND PARKING LOT IN THE ONLY PLACE THAT YOU CAN DO IT FROM SEAFORD ROAD.
SO YOU'RE NOT USING THE PRIVATE ROAD AT ALL.
UM, ALL THOSE CONDITIONS MAKE ME FEEL THAT, UH, IT WOULD BE A USED AND FOR THE COMMUNITY TO GET RID OF THAT THEIR ELECTION AND HAVE A VIABLE BUILDING AGAIN.
SO I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS MADAM CHAIR.
I, I TOOK A DIFFERENT APPROACH.
UM, THE CURRENT ZONING IS, YOU KNOW, ACCORDING TO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS PRESUMED TO BE CORRECT.
THE BURDEN SHOULD BE ON THE APPLICANT.
AND I, I UNDERSTAND ALL THE GOOD THINGS YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE AND, AND GETTING AN OLD BUILDING, UH, UP TO SHAPE.
HOWEVER, RESIDENTS HAVE MADE SOME GOOD POINTS HERE.
IT'S TOO OPEN ENDED SOME OF THE USES.
I THINK YOU NEED TO SHARPEN YOUR PENCIL A LITTLE MORE, UH, UH, GET RID OF SOME OF THE OTHER RETAIL USES THAT YOU DON'T PLAN ON USING OR, OR, UH, EXCUSE ME.
UH, UM, LEASING THE BUILDING OR CHANGING HANDS OPENS UP OPPORTUNITIES.
UH, OUR ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER OVER THERE MADE A LOT OF GOOD SUGGESTIONS, I THINK THAT WERE REASONABLE.
AND SO I THINK IF YOU WENT BACK AND SHARPENED YOUR PENCIL AND, AND MADE THIS A BETTER APPLICATION AND GOT TOGETHER WITH THE IMMEDIATE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, YOU COULD PROBABLY ACHIEVE BOTH.
YOU COULD HELP OUT AND RENOVATE THE, THE BUILDING IN A MANNER THAT'S ACCEPTABLE AND, UH, PROFFER OUT SOME OF THE USES THAT ARE OBJECTIONABLE TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, UH, I'M VOTING AGAINST IT.
I THINK THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO MAKE A STRONG CASE FOR WHY YOU WOULD REZONE.
UM, WE'VE GONE THROUGH OTHER REZONINGS
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AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE, UH, RESPONSIBILITY OF THE APPLICANT TO PROVE OVERWHELMINGLY THAT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.I ECHO WHAT MR. PETERMAN HAS SAID IN TERMS OF, I'D LIKE TO SEE A DARE LIKE BUILDING, UM, FIXED.
I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING, UH, PROPER BUSINESS IN THERE IF, IF THAT'S ACHIEVABLE, BUT, BUT AS, UH, AS, UH, COMMISSIONER KING HAS INDICATED, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE HERE.
THE, UH, THE APPLICANT REALLY NEEDS TO GO BACK AND, AND, UH, AND PROFFER, UH, WHAT WOULD GO IN THERE? WHAT WOULDN'T GO IN THERE, HOW TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD TODAY FROM THE, UM, FROM THE, UH, CITIZENS WHO SPOKE AGAINST IT.
I THINK THERE'S A MIDDLE GROUND THAT CAN BE FOUND.
UH, IT JUST HASN'T, UH, BEEN PROVIDED TO US TONIGHT.
I LIVE IN SEAFORD, SO I KNOW THE ROAD AND SCHOOL BUSES AND THE SCHOOL, AND IT'S A VERY NARROW ROAD, AND I AM GOING TO AGREE WITH MR. HOLROYD BE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND GUARANTEES ON HOW IT'S GOING TO BOOK AND HOW IT'S GONNA OPERATE THAT.
I'LL CLOSE THAT AND GO FOR THE VOTE.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, WE, UH, APPROVE, UH, PC 22 DASH 23.
THE MOTION BY MR. RY IS TO ADOPT PC 22 DASH 23 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AMEND THE ZONING OF 2200 SEAFORD BREW FROM R R TO NB.
NO, MSTA NO, THE MOTION FAILS.
IT'S UH, THAT COMPLETES THE PUBLIC HEARING.
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ANY OLD BUSINESS? IS THAT WHAT I SAID? NO, NO, NO OLD BUSINESS.[8. New Business]
BUSINESS MET HIM CHAIR? YES.I HAD ONE ITEM FOR NEW BUSINESS.
UM, I MET WITH, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, STEERING COMMITTEE LAST WEEK AND, AND RAISED A CONCERN.
AND I THINK IT, I THINK IT BEHAS ME TO, UH, TO ALSO RAISE IT IN HERE.
IT REGARDS A, UM, COMPLETE LOSS OF, UH, WIFI AND CELLULAR SERVICE IN PROVINCE OF ONTARIO ON JULY 8TH OF THIS YEAR.
AND THE REASON I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS IS IT, IT HAD, UH, A PROVINCE WIDE IMPACT OF SHUTTING DOWN ALL BUSINESS.
UH, THERE WAS NO CASH TRANSACTIONS THAT DAY BECAUSE ALL THE BANKING SYSTEMS WERE AFFECTED.
UH, THE 9 1 1 SYSTEM WAS BASICALLY INOPERABLE.
THE DISPATCHERS WERE PRESENT IN 9 1, 1 OFFICES, BUT NOBODY COULD REACH THEM.
UM, I FELT THAT THE PUBLIC INQUIRY THAT WAS COMPLETED ON THAT, ON THAT FAILURE, UH, WAS WORTH REVIEWING.
UH, I THINK, UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT, UH, OUR PLANNING STAFF MEET WITH COX, UH, COMMUNICATION AND ADDRESS HOW THEY WOULD ADDRESS THE ITEMS IN THE, IN THE PUBLIC INQUIRY.
SPECIFIC ISSUE WAS THEY HAD MADE CHANGES TO THEIR SERVERS WITHOUT HAVING A BACKUP.
AND WHEN THE SERVERS CRASHED, THEY LOST THE ENTIRE SYSTEM.
IT WAS 10 MILLION RESIDENTS AND, UH, 3 MILLION BUSINESSES IMPACTED.
I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A STRONG COMMUNICATIONS, UH, SYSTEM OR BACKUP IN, IN, IN YOUR COUNTY IN ADDITION TO BACKUP ENERGY.
SO, SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COVERED MANY BUSINESSES THAT HAVE TO HAVE BACKUP POWER.
IT DIDN'T COVER BACKUP COMMUNICATIONS, AND THAT CONCERNED ME.
I THINK THAT'S A VALID CONCERN THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT, AND I'D, I'D MAKE A, UH, SUGGESTION THAT THE, UH, PLANNING STAFF, UH, TAKE THAT, UH, INQUIRY FORWARD AND, UH, MEET WITH COX TO, UH, TO REVIEW OUR OVERALL SITUATION.
UH, I HAVE A COMMENT MADAM CHAIR.
UM, MR. HOY MAY HAVE A POINT, BUT I THINK IT'S THE, UH, DUTIES OF THE COMMITTEE TO DECIDE, UH, AS A WHOLE, UH, THE INPUT THAT'S RECEIVED AND WHAT ACTION SHOULD BE TAKEN.
SO IF, IF, UH, IF ANYTHING'S GONNA HAPPEN, I THINK IT'S THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMMITTEE THAT NEEDS TO MAKE THAT DECISION NOT HERE IN THAT THIS BODY.
SO, UM, UH, IT CAN BE DISCUSSED MAYBE AT OUR NEXT MEETING SHORTLY.
AND, UH, I, I, I DO HAVE CONFIDENCE IN OUR PUBLIC SAFETY FOLKS IS WHERE IT CAME UP AND THAT THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO ENSURE RELIABILITY OF OUR COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS. UM, HOWEVER, WE HAVE TO, UH, AGREE TO AGREE AS A GROUP, AS A COMMITTEE, AND I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE IN FRONT OF THAT BODY.
AND I, UH, CONCUR WITH, UM, MR. KING'S, UH, THOUGHTS THERE.
I THINK, UM, WE HAVE A COMMITTEE THAT IS
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ISN'T IN, WILL BE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE SITUATION AND, UH, WE JUST BRING IT UP THERE AND REPORT BACK.[9. Staff Reports/Recent Actions by the Board of Supervisors]
REPORTS, SORRY.UM, OF COURSE YOU ALL DID NOT MEET IN AUGUST.
SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF, UH, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF BOARD SUPERVISORS MEETINGS SINCE YOUR LAST MEETING AT ITS JULY 19TH MEETING THE BOARD APPROVED THE TOURIST HOME ON AMBLER AMBLER STREET HERE IN THE VILLAGE, AS WELL AS THE TOURIST HOME ON FENTON MILL ROAD AT ITS, UH, THAT WAS JULY 19TH AT ITS AUGUST 16TH MEETING.
THE BOARD APPROVED THE HOME PET GROOMING SALON, UH, ON PENNIMAN ROAD.
AND THE H V A C CONTRACTOR APPLICATION ON ROUTE 17.
THE TOURIST HOME ON ALLENS MILL ROAD APPLICATION HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN.
UH, THE APPLICANTS INDICATED THAT THEY HAVE FOUND A RENTER, A MILITARY FAMILY THAT THEY ARE RENTING TO ON A LONG TERM BASIS.
I THINK IT'S A TWO YEAR, UH, TWO YEAR LEASE.
AND SO THAT APPLICATION HAS GONE AWAY, AT LEAST FOR NOW, SHE DID INDICATE THAT THEY MAY BE COMING BACK AGAIN, UH, TO, TO PURSUE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO ON THE, UH, BOARD'S UPCOMING AGENDA, SEPTEMBER 20TH, THERE ARE NO LAND USE CASES SINCE YOU ALL DIDN'T HAVE A MEETING IN AUGUST, UH, PLUS THE TIAL WAVE AUTO SPA APPLICATION WAS WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANTS.
SO THAT APPLICATION ALSO HAS GONE AWAY.
UM, AND AS FAR AS COMING UP IN OCTOBER, UH, FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR AGENDA, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S A PROPOSAL TO CANCEL THEIR OCTOBER 18TH MEETING.
UH, SO IF THAT TAKES PLACE, THEN NONE OF THE APPLICATIONS THAT CAME BEFORE YOU ALL TONIGHT COULD GO FORWARD TO THE BOARD UNTIL NOVEMBER AT THE EARLIEST, ASSUMING THE BOARD APPROVES THAT, UH, CANCELLATION AND SPEAKING OF CANCELLATIONS, WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY APPLICATIONS FOR OCTOBER.
SO WE ARE GOING TO CANCEL THE COMMISSION'S OCTOBER 12TH MEETING.
UH, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER MEETING THAT THE COUNTY IS HOLDING THAT NIGHT.
THAT MIGHT BE OF INTEREST TO SOME OF YOU.
UM, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A COMMUNITY INFORMATIONAL MEETING ON THE SIMS METAL APPLICATION THAT YOU ALL, UH, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF BACK IN MAY.
AND SO THIS IS, THAT'S BASICALLY, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY MAINLY FOR THE PEOPLE IN TAB LEAGUES WHO ARE INTERESTED TO COME OUT AND, AND HAVE A LITTLE MORE DISCUSSION, GET SOME INFORMATION FROM US.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE REPRESENTATIVES SOME SIMS ME, UH, THERE, AND, UH, THERE'LL BE SOME, UH, SHORT PRESENTATIONS.
AND THEN IT'LL JUST, IT'LL BE BASICALLY AT OPEN HOUSE WHERE, UH, CITIZENS CAN TALK, UH, UH, CAN EXPRESS THEIR, UH, COMMENTS, ASK QUESTIONS, UH, EITHER OF THE STAFF OR OF THE SIMS REPRESENTATIVES.
SO THAT WILL BE OCTOBER 12TH, 7:00 PM IN THE TAB LIBRARY, MEETING ROOM.
AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE MADAM CHAIR, ONE TO ONE COMMENT.
UM, OUR ATTORNEY, DO WE NEED A MOTION TO CANCEL THE MEETING? NO, WE DO THAT.
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SORRY.[11. Commission Reports and Requests]
REPORTS.UM, MR. HORO MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HAD OUR, OUR 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, UPDATE COMMITTEE MEETING, UM, WHICH COVERED PUBLIC FACILITIES.
UH, THE MEETING IS GONNA BE BROKEN UP INTO, UH, A COUPLE MEETINGS CUZ IT'S, UH, PRETTY LENGTHY.
WE DISCUSSED, UM, UH, OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, GOVERNMENT OFFICES, AND THE LIBRARIES.
AND WE'VE HAD, WE HAD REPRESENTATIVE, WE HAD OUR FIRE CHIEF AND WE HAD THE LIBRARY DIRECTOR AND UM, AND WE HAD SOME GOOD CONVERSATION.
AND OUR SECOND HALF OF THE CHAPTER IS COMING UP AT OUR NEXT MEETING AND WE'LL DISCUSS OUR PARKS AND REC, UM, TOURISM AND SCHOOLS, SCHOOLS.
AND WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES COMING FROM, UH, UH, A FEW OF THOSE.
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COULD YOU GIVE US A DATE OR MAYBE LOCATION THEN OF OUR NEXT COMP PLAN COMMITTEE MEETING? UH, IT'S FIRST, WEDNESDAY OF OCTOBER, OCTOBER 5TH.I BELIEVE SENIOR CENTER IN GRAFTON.
OCTOBER 7TH, OCTOBER 7TH, SENIOR CENTER.
SO YOU'RE TELLING ME THE SEVENTH.
IS IT THE SEVENTH OR THE FIFTH? FIRST? WE IT'S THE FIFTH.
THE FIRST WEDNESDAY OF OCTOBER IS THE FIFTH.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT I SAID EARLIER.
PM'S IT? THAT'S ALL FOR COMMISSION REPORTS, RIGHT? YEP.
THANK YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT'S OVER.