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GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US FOR THE AUGUST 2ND MEETING OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
I WELCOME BACK, MR.
MR. ZAREMBA, MRS. DOLL, MR. GREEN, MR. ROWAN, MR. SHEPHERD, MADAM CHAIRMAN.
[1 Riverwalk Landing/Water Street Grille Design Presentation.]
INTERESTING PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT.WE'RE GOING TO START OFF WITH ONE ON RIVERWALK LANDING.
I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, MR. MARTIN.
YOU KNOW, AS YOU'VE MENTIONED, UH, WE HAVE THREE IMPORTANT AND QUITE DIFFERENT PRESENTATIONS ON THREE DIFFERENT TOPICS.
UH, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, UM, SOME BOARD MEMBERS ASK IF YOU COULD DO, WE COULD DO A LITTLE BIT OF A DEEP DIVE ON THE DESIGN OF THE RIVERWALK WATER STREET, UH, RESTAURANT PROJECT THAT'S COMING UP.
AND SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION.
UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THE BUSINESS SIDE OF IT AND THE FINANCIAL SIDE OF IT BEFORE, AND I'M JUST GONNA REMIND YOU ABOUT THAT, BUT THEN I'M GOING TO EXCUSE MYSELF AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, UH, UH, MARIEL UFA, THE PRESIDENT OF MARCONI ENTERPRISES.
WHO'S, UH, THE ADA'S PARTNER ON THIS COME UP HERE ALONG WITH GILL ENSMINGER, WHO IS THE PRINCIPAL AT INTERRA IS WHO'S THE DESIGNER OF THE PROJECT AND CHRISTI OLSON, OUR DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC AND TOURISM DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE DESIGN.
I ALSO WANT TO THANK STEVE, MADE THE CHAIRMAN OF THE EDA FORGIVEN UP ANOTHER EVENING OF HIS TIME, UH, TO, UH, SUPPORT, UH, THE COUNTY.
SO, UM, UH, RECALL THAT, UH, OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WE TALKED ABOUT THE NEED TO REFRESH, UH, THE LARGEST RESTAURANT AND THE LARGEST DRAW IN YOUR TOWN, WHICH, UH, HISTORICALLY, UH, WE HAVE KNOWN AS TWO SEPARATE BUT RELATED FACILITIES, UH, RIVERWALK AND WATER STREET.
AND I GUESS THE FACILITIES ARE ABOUT 17 YEARS OLD.
AND BY THE TIME WE GET DONE WITH THIS PROJECT, IT'S GOING TO BE APPROACHING 20 AND, UH, THE COUNTY OWNS THE BUILDING, LEASES IT TO THE EDA, WHICH IN TURNS SUBLEASES IT TO MARK KAHN ENTERPRISES, MR. BOUCHER'S RESTAURANT OPERATION.
UM, THE GENERAL IDEA OF THE REFRESH IS TO FOCUS TOWARD THE WATER, UH, UPGRADE THE SYSTEMS AND, AND BASICALLY KEEP IT A PREMIER ATTRACTION, UH, WHICH IS A MAGNET FOR MANY OF THE OTHER, UH, ATTRACTIONS, UH, IN YORKTOWN.
UH, THE BUSINESS DEAL, UM, IS, UM, THE EDA HAS SIGNED A LEASE WITH MORE CON ENTERPRISES, UM, THAT ANTICIPATES THIS RENOVATION.
AND, UM, AS PART OF THAT, UH, MARK KHAN WILL CONTRIBUTE 37 AND A HALF PERCENT OF THE CAPITAL COST OF THE PROJECT.
UM, THE BOARD IN YOUR LAST CIP SET ASIDE $2 MILLION OF FEDERAL ARPA MONEY TO PUT TOWARD THIS.
AND SO, UH, IF THE PROJECT IS CURRENTLY OUT TO BID AND SO LATE THIS MONTH, WE'LL FIND OUT WHAT THE BID PRICE IS, BUT IF IT COMES IN CLOSE TO THE ARCHITECT'S ESTIMATE, UM, THAT WOULD LEAVE US WITH ABOUT A $600,000 DELTA.
UH, AND I HAVE RECOMMENDED TO YOU PREVIOUSLY THAT I WOULD MOST LIKELY SUGGEST THAT THE BOARD TAKE THAT FROM YOUR APPROPRIATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT RESERVE.
UH, BUT WE CAN CROSS THAT BRIDGE WHEN WE SEE WHAT THE, WHAT THE BID PRICE IS.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE BUSINESS TRANSACTION.
UM, THE LEASE HAS BEEN EXECUTED BY MARK KHAN AND THE EDA, AND, UM, WE'RE EXCITED TO SHARE THE DETAILS OF THE DESIGN.
HONESTLY, I'LL FOCUS MORE ON THE PROCESS AND, UM, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE DESIGN.
SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO ASK CHRISTIE AND GILL AND MARIETTA TO COME UP HERE AND GO OVER THE CONCEPT IN SOME DETAIL.
OKAY, CHRISTIE, WHO'S GOING TO GO FIRST.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION, BEFORE WE GOT STARTED, THAT WE DID PROVIDE HARD COPIES, UM, AT EACH OF YOUR, UM, PLACES IN CASE YOU CAN'T SEE THE SLIDES, BUT IT'S BASICALLY A DUPLICATION OF THE SLIDES THAT YOU'LL SEE.
UM, SO I'LL JUST ECHO, UH, NEIL'S COMMENTS ABOUT HOW EXCITED WE ARE TO SEE THIS PROJECT, UM, REALLY TAKE SHAPE AND JUST HAPPY TO BE PARTNERED WITH, UH, MARIO AND MARK ON, UM, ON THIS VENTURE.
UM, AND I THINK MARIO IS GOING TO PROVIDE US A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, VISION AND BACKGROUND FROM THE RESTAURANT OWNERSHIP PERSPECTIVE.
AND, UM, THEN GILL, UM, IS ALSO
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GONNA FROM THE DESIGN TEAM WITHIN TERRORIST IS GOING TO GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AND SOME OF THE DESIGN ELEMENTS OF THE RESTAURANT.SO AT THIS POINT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MARIO, NO PRESSURE HERE.
WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR EVERYONE PRESENT.
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, AND TRULY AM EXCITED TO SHARE OUR VISION TOGETHER WITH EVERYONE HERE.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN A TENANT TO, UH, VERBAL WALK AND WATER STREET GRILL ALMOST 10 YEARS, DECEMBER 1ST, 2012, AFTER I PURCHASED THE RESTAURANT, I CANNOT BELIEVE IT'S BEEN 10 YEARS SO QUICKLY.
YOU KNOW, I USED TO HAVE A HEAD FULL OF HAIR AND IT'S 10 YEARS HAS REALLY MADE A DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, BEING THERE TO 10 YEARS, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY I HAD A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING AND A TRUE VISION OF WHAT THE RESTAURANT HAS.
ONE, UM, YOU KNOW, ENCOUNTERED OVER THE YEARS AND KNOWING OBVIOUSLY FAST FORWARD, NOT KNOWING WHAT COVID WAS GOING TO BRING.
UM, I DON'T THINK ANYONE IN THIS ROOM WOULD HAVE, BUT, UH, THE, THE EXCITING PART OF WORKING WITH GIL IS UNDERSTANDING THAT PIECE OF IT AS WE WERE ABLE TO NOW PRETTY MUCH FOCUSED ON ONE CONCEPT BECAUSE WE'VE HAD TWO CONCEPTS FOR 10 YEARS, THAT MEANS TWO DOORWAYS.
THAT MEANS, UH, YOU KNOW, PRACTICALLY DOUBLE THE STAFF AND EFFECTIVELY IT'S ONE RESTAURANT.
YOU KNOW, NOT MANY PEOPLE KNOW THAT YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, MEANDER THROUGH THE RESTAURANT AND IN A CONNECTION, ONE HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO WORK WITHOUT THE OTHER IN THEORY, UM, WATER STREET, UH, WOULD NOT BE AS EFFICIENT AS EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE IF IT DIDN'T HAVE BRICK WALL CLEARLY WHERE TODAY MOVING FORWARD, HAVING THE ONE DOORWAY ENTRANCE, UM, WILL MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THIS BUSINESS.
UH, I BELIEVE IN, IN SALES WISE WOULD DO MORE THAN 20 TO 30% EASILY IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE WE'RE ABLE TO FOCUS MORE.
WE HAVE A LARGER, UH, FOOTPRINT TO SEE CORRECTLY.
OUR KITCHENS WILL BE, UM, MORE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE AND HAVE THE POWERHOUSE EQUIPMENT IN THERE TO TURN TABLES MUCH MORE EFFECTIVELY THAN WE DO TODAY.
BECAUSE IF ANYTHING, I'VE LEARNED OVER THE 10 YEARS OF BEING THERE IS, UM, THE CONCEPTS, YOU KNOW, YES, I KNOW I'VE SHARED WITH THE BOARD MEMBER, YOU KNOW, THAT DISAPPOINTMENT OF RIVERWALK GOING AWAY.
UH, THAT, THAT IS A, YOU KNOW, NEAR AND DEAR TO SOME PEOPLE'S HEART.
I GET IT, YOU KNOW, IT DOES TO ME TOO, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THERE 10 YEARS AND I, I GET IT.
HOWEVER, WHAT I'VE SEEN OVER THE 10 YEARS IS THE DECAY IN RIVERWALK.
UH, AND I MEAN, IN THE CONCEPT, THE RESTAURANT ITSELF WAS FAMOUS FOR THE ONE TIME, MAYBE TWO TIMES A YEAR HOLIDAY, OR A BIRTHDAY ANNIVERSARY, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE BEST FORWARD, UM, WATER STREET HAS PROVEN IT'S MORE CONSISTENT.
YOU KNOW, WE SEE GUESTS COMING IN TWICE A MONTH, NOT ONCE A YEAR OR TWICE A YEAR.
UM, SO THAT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE OBVIOUSLY, AND I'M SURE THE COUNTY HAS SEEN THAT AND THE TAX DOLLARS THAT IT'S RAISED OVER THE 10 YEAR PERIOD.
UM, SO THE REASONING BEHIND, UM, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH TAKING THE RIVERWALK COMPONENT OUT OF THE EQUATION IS IN MY, IN MY MIND.
AND, UH, THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE A 10 YEAR HISTORY OF SEEING THE SALES.
AND I'M MORE CONFIDENT THAT WE'LL RECOUP EVERYTHING WE LOST.
AND THEN, SO ONCE WE REOPENED, SPEAKING OF THE DESIGN, THE DESIGN AGAIN HAS IN THE ONE, UH, ENTRANCE WAY, WE'VE NOW HAVE ONE HOST TO STAND.
WE NOW ARE ABLE TO MANAGE THE ENTIRE RESTAURANT MORE EFFICIENTLY.
UM, YES, WE HAVE, WE WILL HAVE TWO BARS STILL.
UM, BUT THE BEAUTY OF IT, IT'S ALMOST BROKEN UP IN SORT OF LIKE SECTIONS AND NODES THAT WE, YOU KNOW, DURING OFF PEAK SEASON, WE CAN OPERATE OFF THE SMALLER FOOTPRINT, AGAIN, BECOMING MORE EFFICIENT AND MORE EFFECTIVE, UH, WHERE AS WE GO INTO THE, THE PEAK OF SEASON, WE START RAMPING UP,
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WE CAN DO MORE EVENTS.WE CAN DO LARGER WEDDINGS WHERE, WHAT WE'VE DEALT WITH OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS, THE BANQUET ROOM HAS ONLY BEEN ABLE TO DO, YOU KNOW, EVENTS AS LARGE AS MAYBE 80 PEOPLE WERE HERE.
WE'VE HAD EVENTS NOW 120, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT THE MAIN DINING ROOM AS WELL AS THE BANQUET ROOM.
SO AGAIN, BEING MORE EFFECTIVE, MORE EFFICIENT, UM, THE RESTROOMS, THE RESTAURANT ISSUES HAVE BEEN HUMONGOUS SINCE THE DAY THEY WON THAT WE OPENED A WATER STREET GRILL, UM, AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THE RESTROOMS THAT ARE IN WATER STREET GRILL WAS A LAST MINUTE DECISION.
THIS IS AFTER WE STARTED CONSTRUCTION TO BUILD A WATER STREET.
UM, AND THANK GOODNESS THAT WE BUILT THOSE AT THAT TIME, BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A NIGHTMARE OTHERWISE, BUT THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, UNDERSIZED.
AND SO TODAY'S PLAN WILL GIVE US TWO HUGE RESTROOMS ONE-ON-ONE SIDE OF THE RESTAURANT, ONE ON THE OTHER BE ABLE TO EFFECTIVELY SERVICE ALL OUR GUESTS WITH NO LINE.
WHY SHOULD I DO WAIT? I HOPEFULLY TO GET A LOT OF LINES.
AND, UH, AS FAR AS DESIGN, UH, MENU, I WILL SAY ON A MENU WISE, UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE BEEN SOMEWHAT LIMITED AND AGAIN, NOT TO BRING UP THE COVID, BUT COVID HAS, YOU KNOW, UH, MINIMIZE WHAT WE CAN PURCHASE AT TIMES, UH, THOUGH THE SUPPLY CHAIN IS GETTING BETTER AND WE SEE THAT IT IS GETTING BETTER FOR STAFFING.
SO, UM, I SEE BY THE TIME WE REOPENED, I, I CAN IMAGINE THAT OUR MENU WOULD BE BACK TO WHAT IT ONCE WAS, YOU KNOW, UM, AS FAR AS MENU, YES, WE, WE PLANNED TO DO, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE THE BOX THINKING WHICH WE'VE DONE SINCE WE'VE BEEN THERE.
UM, AS, AS FAR AS THE AMBIENCE, W W THE ACID, IT MAY BE CASUAL, BUT I BELIEVE WE'RE GOING AFTER STILL THAT ON OUR SERVICE SIDE IS WHAT WE'RE REALLY GONNA FOCUS ON TO GIVE MORE THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA SAY FINE OR DINE, UH, FEEL, BUT THE UPPER SCALE, UM, YOU KNOW, SERVICE.
SO WHEN YOU DO GET THERE, IT'S GONNA FEEL LIKE YOU'RE IN A NICE, YOU KNOW, FINE DINING SETTING, BUT RELATES SCHEDULED.
UM, I HAD AN INTERVIEW THE OTHER DAY, UH, PENINSULA CHRONICLE, AND THE STATEMENT I HAD MADE IN THERE, UH, OR THE THOUGHT WAS, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE WOULD WALK INTO RIVERWALK AND THEY WOULD SEE THAT ENTRANCEWAY, THE FIRST THOUGHT WAS ONE, IS THIS A HOTEL LOBBY? SECOND ONE WAS OKAY.
THE SECOND ONE WAS, OH BOY, THIS IS GOING TO COST US.
WELL, IRONICALLY, THE BURGER ON RIVERWALK SIDE AND THE BURGER AT WATER STREET GUIDE IS STILL THE EXACT SAME PRICE, BUT THEY FEEL THAT FEEL OF ONCE THEY WALK IN, GIVES THEM, UH, AN UNEASY FEELING, YOU KNOW, WITH TABLECLOTH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU WALK INTO A RESTAURANT WITH TABLE BLOCKS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA LEAVE YOUR WALLET.
UH, SO HOPEFULLY WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA WITH THE DESIGN OF GAIL AND HIS STAFF, IT'S REALLY LOOKING TO BE FUN, UH, ENERGETIC INSIDE.
I BELIEVE WE'RE REALLY GONNA TAKE THIS FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS THAT I SIGNED A LEASE FOR GOD WILLING, GIVE ME 30 MORE YEARS TO DEAL WITH ME.
BUT, UH, THAT'S WHAT MY GOAL IS.
UM, I AM, UH, REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT AND I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT THE COUNTY HAS DONE, AND I'M SO EXCITED ALSO TO BE, YOU KNOW, THERE FOR THE NEXT SO LONG YEARS.
UH, AND, UH, HOPEFULLY I CAN LEAVE A LEGACY AS MARY AND NICK MATTHEWS THAT AS WELL.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
UH, OR YOU, COULD I ASK YOU EVERY QUESTION? SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE SEEING A TREND FROM THE FORMAL DINING TO A MORE CASUAL FAMILY FRIENDLY TYPE.
I DO SEE THAT EVEN AT WAYPOINT, UM, THE RESTAURANT WINESBURG THAT WE'VE SEEN PEOPLE MORE AT THE, TO COME IN AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TAUGHT THEM WELL, HE'LL PEOPLE THAT WILL COME TO WAYPOINT, THEY'LL COME AND THEY'LL RATHER SIT AT THE BAR INSTEAD OF THE TABLE.
AND SO TO ME, THIS IS WHAT I SEE, YOU KNOW, AND EVEN OTHER RESTAURANTS, FAT, CANARY.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LOVE FAT CANARY.
AND HONESTLY, I'D RATHER SIT AT THE BAR.
AND MOST OF THE TIME WHEN I GO OUT TO DINNER ANYMORE,
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I DO TRY AND SIT, SET THE BAR.SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT I'M NOT SAYING THAT FINE DINING HAS GONE AWAY.
I JUST THINK IT IT'S IT'S HAS ITS NICHE IN CERTAIN PLACES AND WITH THE BEACH ATMOSPHERE DOWN AT THE WAR, RIGHT? LIKE A BEACH AG ATMOSPHERE.
AND OBVIOUSLY WITH THAT, UH, ROOFING THE ENTIRE BACK OF THE RESTAURANT, EVERYONE WANTS TO SIT OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, EVEN IT WAS FUNNY, UH, WITH RIVERWALK AT TIMES WE WOULD SEE PEOPLE INSIDE THE RESTAURANT AND THEY WERE LIKE, NO, I WANT TO SIT OUTSIDE.
OR I WANT TO SIT RIGHT AT THE WINDOW.
WELL, I MEAN, NO MATTER WHERE YOU SAT, I KNOW MANY I'VE BEEN IN THERE IN RIVERWALK, DO YOU NOT SEE THE WATER? YEAH.
BUT THEY DIDN'T WANT, THEY WANTED TO SIT RIGHT.
AS CLOSE AS THEY COULD TO THE WATER.
SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE THE REAL ESTATE, THE HIGH-END REAL ESTATE IS RIGHT THERE.
AND WITH THE NEW AMBIANCE OF IT, YOU KNOW, UH, WITH THE UPGRADED FEATURES, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE IT ALMOST ALL YEAR LONG, WHICH IS GOING TO BE HUGE.
THERE'S NO OTHER RESTAURANT YOU CAN TELL AND WE'LL HAVE WHAT WE HAVE THE FACILITY.
HOPEFULLY THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTIONS? YES.
CAN YOU SHARE WITH US THE TIMELINE IN TERMS OF, UH, YOU'VE GOT THE DESIGN CONTRACT? I TAKE IT.
SO CONTRACTORS ARE BIDDING IT AND THOSE BIDS ARE DUE IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS.
HOPEFULLY EVERYTHING GOES FORWARD, SMOOTHLY, AND CONSTRUCTION STARTS VERY SOON AFTER THAT.
SO I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO VISUALIZE WHAT THE DYNAM EXPERIENCE WILL BE LIKE.
DO YOU HAVE AN ANALOG THAT YOU CAN COMPARE IT AGAINST THE LEAP AND THE EXISTING EXPERIENCE IS ALREADY OUT THERE THAT THAT'S, YOU'RE KIND OF TARGETING OR IS THIS GOING TO BE COMPLETELY UNIQUE AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO VISUALIZE WHAT ASPECT OF MENU OR UNIQUE IN THE ATMOSPHERE AND THE ATMOSPHERE WILL BE YOUR MENU.
UH, THE, THE, UM, DESCRIPTION THAT WE RESPONDED TO IN AN RFP WAS IT WAS COASTAL CASUAL.
UM, SOME OTHER RESTAURANTS THAT WE LOOKED AT AS PRECEDENT EXAMPLES, ONE IS THE BOATHOUSE RESTAURANT, WHICH ONE IS ONE THAT MARIO REALLY LIKES A LOT.
THAT'S ACTUALLY IN SHORT PUMP OUTSIDE OF RICHMOND.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF ANYBODY'S BEEN THERE, BUT IT HAS A COASTAL FLARE TO IT.
IT HAS SOME KIND OF NAUTICAL THEMES TO IT, THAT SORT OF THING.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT ALONG THE WATER.
UM, AND IT COMBINED SOME KIND OF A BOATING ASPECTS OF IT IN, IN THE DESIGN AS WELL.
SO DEPARTURE FROM THE EXISTING WATER STREET GORILLA SIDE IS LIKE MOVING AWAY FROM THAT.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE TVS ON THE WALL.
THERE WILL BE A KIND OF A BAR ATMOSPHERE, UM, MORE SO ON THE WATER STREET SIDE STILL.
AND WE'VE GOT SOME DESIGN IMAGES.
I CAN TALK TO THAT AS WE, AS WE LOOK AT THE DESIGN IMAGES, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'LL STILL HAVE A BAR ATMOSPHERE AND THE WATER STREET.
JILL, ARE YOU THE NEXT ONE ON, ARE YOU FINISHED? OKAY, ANYTHING ELSE FOR, UM, SO IN THEORY, UM, AS MENU WISE, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'RE GONNA RATCHET UP FROM WHERE IT'S AT TODAY, MEANING, UM, WE'RE GOING TO BE OFFERING MORE, UH, SEASONAL ITEMS AS WELL.
UM, BUT GOING BACK TO THE DESIGN TV'S ARE STILL GOING TO BE IN PLAY.
THE NEW BAR IN RIVERWALK IS GOING TO BE A PLAYOFF OF WHAT WE HAVE ON A WATER STREET GRILL SIDE, MEANING, UM, ON, UH, WATER, WATER STREET GRILL.
WHEN WE DESIGNED THAT ORIGINALLY MY, MY DREAM WAS TO GET HALF KEGS OR TO GET A CAKE CUT IN HALF AND MOUNT THEM TO THE WALL.
WELL, THE DEAL WAS INSIDE WATER STREET, AS YOU SEE, IT'S ALL GLASS, RIGHT? SO I, WASN'T GONNA PUT A WALL UP IN THE MIDDLE TO, TO, TO TRY TO ACHIEVE THAT.
SO IN DESIGN STATE, A FRIEND OF MINE IS LIKE, WELL, DON'T PUT HALF A CAKE, JUST PUT THE WHOLE CAKE.
AND THAT'S HOW THE DESIGN ACTUALLY WAS IMPLEMENTED THERE.
NOW WE'RE TAKING THAT VISION AGAIN.
WE'RE BRINGING IT BACK THIS TIME AND RIVER.
WELL, LET'S CALL IT IN THE RURAL WALL SECTION THAT BAR WILL, WILL ACTUALLY HAVE HALF CAKES ON WALL MOUNTED TO MIMIC THEM.
AND WE'LL BE SERVING THE SAME BEERS ON BOTH BARS, WHICH IS THE BEAUTIFUL WOOD RIGHT BEHIND.
AND I THINK WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO GILL NOW TO TAKE US THROUGH SOME OF THE DRAWINGS.
UM, I THINK YOU HAVE TO STAY CAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE ANSWERING QUESTIONS.
UM, I THINK, I THINK MORGAN DID A GREAT JOB OF SETTING THE, THE, THE VISION AND THE GOALS THAT WE TRIED TO ACHIEVE IN THE DESIGN.
AND AS YOU SAID, COMBINING THE TWO RESTAURANTS INTO ONE RESTAURANT WAS ONE OF THE PRIMARY GOALS
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TO SIMPLIFY FLOW AND OPERATION OF THE RESTAURANT.SO IN THIS AREA, RIGHT HERE ARE THE CURRENT RESTROOMS, WHICH REALLY KIND OF BLOCK ACCESS FROM PASSING THROUGH BETWEEN WATER STREET, RAIL AND RIVERWALK.
SO THOSE RESTAURANTS ARE BEING REMOVED AND THIS, UH, PATHWAY IS OPENED UP SO YOU CAN PASS THROUGH.
UM, THE OTHER CHALLENGE WITH THE TWO RESTAURANTS IS YOU, YOU HAD TWO ENTRANCES, UM, AND THE WATER STREET GRILL ENTRANCE FRANKLY, IS MORE PROMINENT THAN THE RIVERWALK STREET GRILL.
SO WHEN WE COMBINE THEM INTO ONE, WE WANTED TO HAVE ONE ENTRANCE AND WE NEEDED TO HAVE ONE ENTRANCE THAT WAS VERY PROMINENT AND EASY TO IDENTIFY AS THE PLACE TO ENTER.
SO WE'VE CREATED A NEW ENTRY POINT.
IT'S IN THE SAME LOCATION IS WHERE THE RIVER WALK ENTRANCE IS LOCATED.
THAT'S THE EXISTING RIVERWALK DOOR WE'VE BROUGHT FORWARD, A NEW COVERED ENTRY WAY, A NEW VESTIBULE, UH, AND A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A, UM, A STATEMENT IN, IN HOW YOU COME INTO THE BUILDING.
SO THAT WILL BE A PROMINENT ENTRANCE.
THAT ONE WOULD RECOGNIZE WE'RE STILL KEEPING AN OUTDOOR PATIO SPACE HERE.
UH, THIS WILL BE UP TO WE'RE KIND OF, IT COULD BE OUTDOOR DINING, UM, WITH A HALF KIND OF RAILING HERE, CIRCULAR WALL THAT SEPARATES THE FOUNTAIN AREA, WHICH WOULD STILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC PLAZA SPACE FROM THE RESTAURANT USE AND PROVIDES COMPLIANCE FOR ABC REGULATIONS.
HOWEVER, IT WILL NOT BE AN ENTRANCE TO COME INTO THE RESTAURANT.
IT WOULD JUST BE ACCESS TO THIS OUTDOOR PATIO SPACE.
SO YOU WOULD COME INTO THIS, THIS NEW ENTRANCE, UH, AND WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS OPEN UP THAT VIEW FROM THAT ENTRANCE ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE WATER.
IT SEEMS LIKE ONE OF THE GREATEST ASSETS OF THIS RESTAURANT IS THAT WATERFRONT VIEW.
AND SO REMOVING THE WALL THAT CURRENTLY BLOCKS THAT VIEW, OPENING THAT ON TO ALL OF THE WINDOWS ALONG THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND CREATING A VERY LIVELY ATMOSPHERE HERE THAT DRAWS YOU INTO THE RESTAURANT.
THERE WILL BE A RAW BAR HERE WHERE, UH, YOU CAN, YOU CAN ACCESS ROLLBAR, UH, FOOD ORDER FROM THAT ROLL BAR.
UH, THERE'S, THERE'S A SIT DOWN BAR ALONG HERE, UH, AND THEN BAR TABLES IN THIS AREA.
SO THAT WILL BE A REALLY LIVELY ATMOSPHERE.
SO AS MARIO SAID, YOU WON'T FEEL LIKE YOU'RE COMING INTO A HOTEL LOBBY.
YOU'LL REALLY FEEL LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE DRAWN INTO THE ATMOSPHERE OF THE RESTAURANT, UM, WITH THAT VIEW AND WITH THE BAR ACTIVITIES.
UM, THE OTHER, UM, ISSUE THAT, THAT MARIO MENTIONED, THE RESTROOMS, WE WILL BE RENOVATING THE RESTROOMS. THERE ARE RESTROOMS LIKE NEW RESTROOMS LOCATED IN THIS AREA AND AN ENTIRE NEW SET OF ADDITIONAL RESTROOMS HERE THAT WOULD SERVE THIS PORTION OF THE DINING ROOM, BUT ALSO THE BANQUET ROOMS THAT WILL HELP SOLVE THE ISSUE OF RESTAURANTS.
UM, THE NOW A KIND OF LONGER RESTAURANT HAS A NEED FOR A MORE CENTRALIZED KITCHEN SPACE AND EXPANDED KITCHEN SPACE TO SATISFY THE NEED FOR A LOT MORE TABLE SETTINGS, AS I MENTIONED.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE PULLING THE KITCHEN OUT INTO THE DINING ROOM SLIGHTLY AND SHIFTING IT OVER TOWARDS THE WATER STREET GRILL SIDE, TO PROVIDE GREATER SERVICE TO WANDER STREET GRILL.
ALL OF THE FOOD COMING OUT OF THE KITCHEN WILL COME THROUGH THIS DOOR AND PROVIDE SERVICE THROUGHOUT THE RESTAURANT, AND THEN, UH, DIRTY DISHES AND PLATES COMING BACK IN WILL COME IN THROUGH THIS SIDE.
THE CAPACITY OF THE RESTAURANT, THE NUMBER OF SEATS IS ABOUT THE SAME AS WHAT IT IS NOW.
IT'S JUST KIND OF REDISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE PLANT.
THE INTERIOR DINING ROOM SPACE IS SLIGHTLY ON THE RIVERWALK SIDE DINING SPACE ON THE WATER STREET SIDES AT THE SAME, BUT WE CREATED A LOT MORE OUTDOOR DINING SPACE.
UM, THIS, THESE KIND OF DARK SQUARES HERE ARE COLUMNS THAT SUPPORT A NEW PORCH ROOF THAT ESSENTIALLY EXTENDS ALL ALONG THE RIVER.
ONE RIVER WALKS SIDE, UH, TO PROVIDE COVERED OUTDOOR DINING.
WE'VE ALSO CREATED AN OUTDOOR PORCH AREA OFF OF THE BANQUET ROOM ON THIS SIDE, THAT WILL BE A NEW PORTRAIT OF, TO CREATE CUPBOARD SPACE FOR THAT AREA.
UH, AS MARIO SAID BACK, IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE THE USED NEARLY ALL YEAR LONG.
THERE WILL BE A SCREEN PLASTIC CLEAR, TRANSPARENT SCREENS THAT DROPPED DOWN, UH, TO ALLOW FOR THAT SPACE TO BE HEATED, UH, IN, IN VARIOUS SEASONS WHERE NEEDED.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE PLANS KIND OF MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
THESE ARE SOME EXTERIOR ELEVATIONS.
WE THOUGHT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO RETAIN THE ARCHITECTURAL AESTHETIC OF THE EXTERIOR OF THIS BUILDING.
A LOT OF CAREFUL THOUGHT WAS PUT INTO THAT, UH, WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED AND REALLY COMPLIMENTS THE OVERALL CHARACTER OF THE SYSTOLIC AREA.
UM, THE DARKER LINE SHOWN IN THIS DRAWING OR NEW FEATURES, THE LIGHTER LINES OR THE EXISTING FEATURES,
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THIS IS A NEW ENTRANCE INTO THE BUILDING.THIS IS THE SIDE VIEW OF IT, AND THIS IS THE FRONT VIEW OF IT.
SO AS YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, THIS WOULD BE THAT PROMINENT ENTRY FEATURE THAT WOULD DRAW YOU INTO THE BUILDING, UH, WITH A SMALL COOP, A LOT ON TOP OF IT.
AND THIS ELEVATION SHOWS YOU, UM, THE RIVERWALK SIDE, UH, WE HAVE INCREASED THE SIZE OF SOME WINDOWS ALONG THE WATERFRONT SIDE TO BRING IN MORE NATURAL LIGHT INTO THE SPACE.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IN DESIGN IS THE INTERIOR OF THE RIVERWALK RESTAURANTS A LITTLE BIT DARK.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO BRING MORE LIGHT INTO THAT SPACE AND WE'LL SHOW YOU SOME OTHER IMAGES OF THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, UM, MATERIALS, COLORS, FINISHES AESTHETIC OF THE EXTERIOR WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S THERE CURRENTLY.
SO THERE'S A FUNCTIONAL WINDOWS AND NOT JUST, THERE ARE SOME DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS ON THIS, BUT THEY'RE NEVER OPERATED IN THEIR LED LIGHT IN.
SO THEY ARE MORE LIGHT AND YES, THEY WILL LET LIGHT INTO THE INTERIOR OF THE RESTAURANT IS THE HIGH CEILING SPACES OF THE RIVERWALK SIDE THAT ARE THERE CURRENTLY WILL STILL BE THERE.
AND THOSE DORMERS OPEN ONTO THAT SPACE.
UH, BUT MANY OF THE WINDOWS ARE SMALLER AND WE'VE, WE'VE INCREASED IN SIZE OF SOME OF THEM.
UM, THESE ARE KIND OF HARD TO SEE AT THIS SCALE, BUT THESE ARE JUST SOME, SOME SECTION VIEWS THROUGH THE RESTAURANT SHOWING THAT WE'RE KEEPING A LOT OF THE HIGH CEILING SPACES, HIGH VOLUMES.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT, BUT STILL THE SAME CHARACTER IS WHAT YOU HAVE.
THESE ARE, UM, KIND OF CHANDELIER FIXTURES HANGING IN THE SPACE.
THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THE APPEARANCE OF ALMOST LIKE A FISHNET THEY'RE METAL CABLE, UH, WITH A LOT OF REALLY SMALL LED LIGHTS.
THAT'LL, THAT'LL BE A REALLY NICE LOOKING CHANDELIER IN THAT SPACE, BUT ALSO GIVE THAT THAT, UH, NAUTICAL, UH, WATERFRONT THEME TO IT.
THIS IS AN EXTERIOR RENDERING FROM THE WALKWAY LEADING TO, UM, THE BOAT SLIPS.
UH, THESE ARE THOSE NEW COVERED PORCHES HERE WITH COLUMNS AND A BRICK BRICK PIER BELOW THE COLUMNS, A LOW BRICK WALL, AND, UM, THE RAUNER AND LOOKING RAILING SIMILAR TO THIS RAILING ACROSS THAT YOU CAN SEE THE WINDOWS UP TOP HERE, UH, THAT, THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE AESTHETIC OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS ON THE BUILDING.
UH, THIS IS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ANGLE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IN SHOWING THAT COVERED PORCH FITTING WITH THE OVERALL CHARACTER OF THE DEVELOPMENT, YOU MENTIONED ALREADY THE COVER PORCH ELISA ON THAT ONE CORNER WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO BRING DOWN SOME CLEAR TRANSPARENT.
IS THAT ACROSS ALL OF THE, OKAY.
AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE QUICKLY WITH INCLEMENT WEATHER OR IS THIS ONCE A YEAR, THESE ARE ALL MOTORIZED.
AND SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE MOTORIZED, YOU PUSH A BUTTON AND THEY ALL COME DOWN, I'M KIND OF BLOWN IN, BRING IT DOWN AND PEOPLE ARE STILL, SO THAT SAY YOU DON'T WANT JUST CAPACITY.
AND SO THIS IS A VIEW OF THE EXISTING RESTAURANT.
SO THIS IS THE VIEW THAT YOU HAVE FROM THAT AREA.
IT IS, IT IS FAIRLY DARK IN YOUR VIEW OF THE WATERFRONT IS A LITTLE OBSTRUCTED.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO OPEN THAT SPACE OUT TO MAXIMIZE THOSE VIEWS OF THE WATERFRONT.
SO THIS NEXT SLIDE SHOWS YOU A RENDERING, UM, LOOKING THROUGH THOSE SAME WINDOWS.
SO THESE WINDOWS WOULD BE GLASS WINDOWS.
THERE WOULD BE GLASS IN THAT OPENING, UH, BUT ALLOWING MUCH MORE VIEW THROUGH THERE LOOKING THROUGH THESE CUPBOARD PORCHES.
SO YOU'RE NOW LOOKING AT THE OUTSIDE OF THE COVERED PORCH AND THROUGH, BEYOND TO THE WATERFRONT, UM, TO THE WATER VIEW THROUGH THAT OPENING.
UM, AND THAT THAT'S THE PRESENTATION TO, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU AND MR. BUFO MENTIONED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TALKING ABOUT, UH, NICK AND MARY MATTHEWS WHO HAD THE ORIGINAL NEXT, UH, THEIR ITEMS ARTICLES OF THE OLD KNICKS DESIGN, THE MOSAICS AND TRAVERTINE.
WHAT ARE WE DOING TO PROTECT THOSE IN THE NEW, WE ARE REQUIRING THAT THEY BE PROTECTED AND SALVAGED AS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION.
SO THEY WOULD BE SAVED AND THEN RELOCATED IN THE, IN THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.
SO THE MERMAID MOSAIC, WHICH IS AT THE ENTRY POINT HERE, STEAM UP FAVORITES, IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
AND IT IT'S CLEAR THAT IT HAS A LOT OF HISTORY.
I THINK IT WAS MOVED TO THIS RESTAURANT FROM A PREVIOUS RESTAURANT.
WE WANT TO CROSS THE STREET TO MAKE SURE IT'S RETAINED.
SO IT WILL STAY AS A PROMINENT FEATURE IN THAT ENTRYWAY.
IT WILL BE LOCATED HERE JUST BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE, UM, RECONFIGURATION OF THAT.
UH, WE, WE WILL RELOCATE IT, BUT IT WOULD BE CENTERED ON THE ENTRANCE, UH, IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT SPACE.
AND WE'RE EVEN GOING TO EMPHASIZE IT EVEN MORE WITH, UM, A, UH, KIND OF SHALLOW DOME IN THE CEILING CENTERED ON TOP OF IT WITH HIGHLIGHTING THAT MOSAIC AND MAKING IT A SPECIAL
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FEATURE.UM, THEN THE, UH, THE WALL MOSAICS WILL BE IN THE RESTROOM.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE GOING IN THE RESTROOMS OVER BY THE BANQUET ROOM.
SO THERE'LL BE IN THIS LOCATION, UM, IN THE BANQUET ROOM, RESTAURANTS, PRESS ROOMS, UH, WANT TO SAY THERE WAS AN ELEMENT ON THE FLOOR.
NOW I LEAVE JUST THE MERMAIDS.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE STATUARY.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE WATER STREET SIDE IS GOING TO BE LARGELY THE SAME.
THEN I'M NOT SEEING A LOT OF CHANGES THERE, RIGHT? NOT MUCH, NO, THERE'S A, THERE'S A PIZZA OVEN IN THIS CORNER.
UM, THAT WILL BE, UM, A NEW PIZZA OVEN IN THIS AREA.
AND SO THIS WILL THIS COUNTER TOP AREA THAT'S HERE.
THAT IT'S REALLY, THE PIZZA SERVICE AREA IS OPEN TO UP AND BECOMES SEATING AREA RIGHT HERE.
UM, SO YEAH, THE CIRCLE OF BAR AT THE WATERSTREET WHAT'S NORTH OF THE ROLL BAR IS AT ANOTHER BAR.
AS MARIO HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE'S THE CAPABILITY OF SORT OF SEGMENTING THIS RESTAURANT DEPENDING ON HOW BUSY THEY ARE AND HOW, HOW THEY WANT TO OPEN THE SEATING UP.
WE DO HAVE KIND OF DIVIDER SCREEN WALL ELEMENTS HERE, HERE, AND HERE THAT STILL, YOU STILL HAVE THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE WIDE OPEN SPACE AND THE WIDE OPEN CHARACTER.
BUT, UH, IT'S ENOUGH OF A, OF A DIVIDER THAT IF YOU'RE JUST ABLE TO SEAT THESE TWO AREAS AND THIS AREA IS EMPTY, IT WON'T FEEL LIKE AN EMPTY RESTAURANT.
SO THOSE ARE THE DIVIDER PANELS THAT ALLOW THAT SEPARATION.
THEY GO UP TO ABOUT EIGHT FEET AND THEN ABOVE THAT THEY'RE OPEN IS THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT TO THE ICL OR DINE IN ONE AREA BY THE, WE HAVE SEVERAL OPENINGS TO ACCESS.
THERE'S ONE HERE, THERE IS ONE HERE AND HERE, AND THEN THERE'S THE EXISTING HERE ON WATER STREET SIDE.
SO IT WILL BE, IT WILL BE EASY ACCESS AND FLOW IN AND OUT OF THAT OUTDOOR DINING SPACE, NO CHANGES IN THE BANQUET ROOM.
WE'RE DOING SOME PAINTING, REPLACING CEILING TILES AND LIGHTING, BUT OTHERWISE, SAME WAY FIREPLACE STAYS THE SAME.
UH, THIS WALL IS CURRENTLY STORAGE CLOSETS AND TO ALLOW FOR THE BIGGER FUNCTIONS THAT MARIO WAS MENTIONING FOR THE, FOR THE BANQUET SERVICE AREA, BY OPENING THIS DOOR AND THIS DOOR TO DOUBLE DOORS, IT ALLOWS FOR THAT LARGER CROWD TO SPILL OUT INTO THE, TO THE MAIN DINING ROOM AND HAVE BETTER ACCESS TO THAT.
AND MR. MURPHY, YOU'D SAID THIS, YOU HAD SAID THAT YOU EXPECT A 20 TO 30% INCREASE IN YOUR BUSINESS.
WHAT THE DESIGNER SAID THAT THERE WAS ROUGHLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF TABLES.
I DON'T THINK YOU SEE EVERY TABLE MOST OF THE TIMES.
HOW, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU PROPOSE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE CLEARLY THE KITCHEN, ALL ABOUT THE KITCHEN, THE KITCHEN IS GOING TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE, MORE EFFICIENT, ABLE TO TURN TABLES FASTER.
THAT'S HOW YOU DO IT, BECAUSE IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE ON WEEKEND NIGHT, I MEAN, WE HAVE AN HOUR, HOUR AND 45 MINUTE WAIT, BECAUSE WE CAN'T TURN THE TABLES BECAUSE OUR KITCHEN IS TEENY.
AND SO WITH THIS NEW KITCHEN, YOU KNOW, AS AN EXAMPLE WHERE WE HAVE A THREE FOOT CHAR GRILL, WE HAVE A SIX FOOT CHAR GRILL.
WE HAVE A THREE FOOT FLAT GRILL.
WE HAVE A SIX-FOOT FLAT GRILL.
SO EVERYTHING IS TWICE THE SIZE, THE PIZZA OVEN THAT WE'RE UPGRADING TO CAN COOK PIZZAS IN FIVE MINUTES OR LESS.
SO YOU SEE HIGH OUTPUT IS BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
HIGH OUTPUT WITH 10 TURN TABLES FASTER.
UM, AND YOU'RE NOT ANTICIPATING ANY STAFF ISSUES BY THE TIME YOU'RE READY.
THAT'S NOT A ONE THAT I WANT TO ENCOUNTER RIGHT NOW, BUT, UH, I MEAN, I I'M SEEING THE POSITIVE TREND IS THE TREND IS I'M DEFINITELY SEEING IT.
UM, AND I BELIEVE BECAUSE OF HOW IT'S SEGMENTED, I BELIEVE WE CAN ONLY, WE CAN OPERATE WHAT WE HAVE STAFFING WISE, THEN WE'RE NOT WIDE OPEN.
AND THEN HAVING ALL THESE OTHER, UH, YOU KNOW, PLACE OF VIEW, LIKE ONE AREA JUST AT ONE TABLE ONCE, OR IT'S JUST NOT EFFECTIVE OR EFFICIENT WHEN YOU GET TO THE POINT OF RECONSTRUCTION, I EITHER FACE IT.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO EVEN USE THEM THE GRILL, KEEP THAT OPEN FOR AWHILE, OR HOW'S THIS GOING TO WORK FOR THE
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CLIENTELE? I MEAN, I'LL TOUCH BASE ON IT, BUT, UH, AND I'M SURE GIL CAN CONCUR WITH ME REALISTICALLY, SHEILA, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO DO THIS.WHERE, WHERE THE NEW BAR IS RIGHT NOW IN ESSENCE IS WHERE THE IS, WHERE THE EXISTING WATER STREET GRILL KITCHEN IS LOCATED.
SO ENVISION HAVING TO RIP THAT OUT WHILE YOU'RE STILL OPEN THE RESTROOMS OUT WHILE YOU'RE STILL OPEN.
CAN YOU SEE HOW THAT'S IMPRACTICAL? SO I'M SAYING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE CLOSE FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS HERE.
HOPEFULLY ONCE W WITH THIS SEVEN, EIGHT MONTHS, YEAH.
THAT'S SHORT OF ANOTHER PANDEMIC.
UM, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'LL MAKE UP GROUNDS, SO IT'S GOING TO BE LESS THAN A YEAR THAT IT'S GOING TO BE CLOSE.
AND THAT THE NORMAL SCHEDULE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT SHOULD BE DONE BEFORE EIGHT MONTHS AROUND, WELL, AT YOU BUILDING THE OUTSIDE.
SO IT'S ALL THE INTERIOR THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE WITHOUT SOME WORK ON THE OUTSIDE TOO.
BUT IT'S NOT BUILDING THE WHOLE INFRASTRUCTURE, EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT.
SO WE HAVE, YOU HAVE ONE ENTRANCE AND EXIT.
WHAT ABOUT EMERGENCY EXIT? SO OTHER THAN RUNNING THROUGH THAT DOOR, DON, AND YOU CLIMB THE RAIL.
SO THERE ARE, VERSUS THE REST GATES THROUGH OUTDOOR DINING.
I THINK THERE'S ONE IN THE MIDDLE, SOMEWHERE HERE.
WHAT ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT THAT CORNER PATIO? IS THAT A GATE ON ERIK? I'M SORRY.
THERE IS A GATE FROM THERE RIGHT HERE.
AND THERE'S A GATE FROM THIS PATIO RIGHT HERE.
ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS WE'LL GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU FOR ALWAYS COME ON, MAN.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY, BUT THANK YOU.
[2 Discussion of the Proposed Queens Lake Dam and Drainage Memorandum of Understanding.]
PRESENTATION.THE SECOND ONE IS GOING TO BE DISCUSSION OF THE PROPOSED QUEENS LAKE DAM AND DRAINAGE.
THE MORE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING, AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AGAIN NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
UM, SO THIS IS A PRESENTATION ON A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING, UH, THAT I AM, UH, SEEKING THE BOARD'S SUPPORT, UH, TO ENTER INTO, UH, WITH THE QUEENSLAND COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION RELATED TO THE, UH, DAM AND LAKE, UH, GRAINAGE SYSTEM IN THE GREATER QUEENSLAND AREA I HAD SENT YOU ALL.
UM, I BELIEVE IN APRIL AN UPDATE THAT THIS WAS GOING ON AND BASICALLY SAID, ONCE WE SORT OF WORK THE DETAILS, WE WOULD COME BEFORE YOU A WORK SESSION AND SEEK YOUR SUPPORT.
UH, TONIGHT, I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE PEOPLE THAT WE'VE GOT HERE.
UM, SO, UH, JACK DOOLEY IS ONE OF THREE MEMBERS OF THE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU CALL IT, THE SPECIAL, SPECIAL, SPECIAL COMMITTEE.
AND, UH, HE, UH, HE DREW THE STRAW TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF THAT GROUP.
AND, UM, DOUG ELLIS IS ALSO HERE FROM THAT COMMITTEE IN RENT.
AND OF COURSE, UH, MARGARET WRINKLES HERE.
WHEN I WAS WRITING DOWN THE NOTES YOU WEREN'T HERE YET.
SO THE THIRD TO THE ENTIRE TRIUMVIRATE OF THE DAMN COMMITTEE IS HERE.
UH, AND YOU ALL KNOW ROB KRIEGER, WHO'S OUR ACTING DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.
AND SO, UM, WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS JUST, UM, UH, USE A FEW SLIDES TO KIND OF, UH, ORGANIZE OUR THOUGHTS AND SHARE THEM WITH YOU.
SO I'M GOING TO KIND OF SET IT UP A LITTLE BIT WITH THE FIRST FEW SLIDES.
THEN WE'RE GOING TO ASK JACK TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS, TO KIND OF GIVE YOU THE QUEENSLAND PERSPECTIVE ON ALL THIS.
AND THEN, UM, ROB'S GOING TO KIND OF CLEAN UP AND SORT OF REITERATE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
BUT 40 YEARS AGO, WHEN I WAS A SCHOOL TEACHER, I LEARNED THAT, UH, YOU SH IN ANY PRESENTATION, YOU SHOULD TELL THEM, TELL THEM WHAT YOU TOLD THEM AND TELL THEM AGAIN.
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I'M LOOKING FOR TWO THINGS.I'M LOOKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT TO SCHEDULE THE MOU FOR, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, APPROVAL AND SUBSEQUENT MEETING.
AND, UH, IF WE, IF WE GET YOUR CONSENSUS ON THAT, THE SECOND THING WE WOULD NEED TO DO IS TASK PUBLIC WORKS WITH, UH, STARTING TO MODIFY THE CIP, WHICH ALREADY HAS A SUBSTANTIAL PROJECT RELATED TO THIS, BUT TO SORT OF MODIFY IT TO TIE IN WITH WHAT WE'RE ENVISIONING WITH THIS MOU.
SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE TWO THINGS, UH, THE STAFF IS LOOKING FOR.
SO WITH THAT, ROB, SO, UM, THAT IS A RENDERING, THE KIND OF SHOWS YOU THE DRAINAGE BASIN OF QUEENS LAKE.
AND JUST THE MAIN POINT THERE IS WHILE WE THINK OF QUEENS LAKE AS A, AS A PHYSICAL LAKE WITH THE DAM AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SORT OF ASSOCIATED WITH IT, UH, YOU CAN SEE THERE THAT, UH, ABOUT 45% OF THE DRAINAGE BASIN IS PUBLIC DRAINAGE THAT COMES FROM OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS AND FLOWS THROUGH THERE.
SO FROM A PUBLIC POLICY STANDPOINT, UM, THIS IS A DE FACTO PART OF THE PUBLIC DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
THIS WHOLE THING WAS DEVELOPED A LONG TIME AGO, UH, BEFORE A LOT OF THE STATE AGENCIES THAT REGULATE THESE THINGS EXISTED BEFORE THE COUNTY HAD SITE AND SUBDIVISION RULES BEFORE, UH, SORT OF MODERN DAY HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION RULES WERE IN PLACE.
UH, ALL OF THAT KIND OF, UH, CREATES A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT SITUATION THAN YOU MIGHT FIND IN A NEWER SUBDIVISION, YOU KNOW, IN THE COUNTY.
UM, SO, UH, BACK IN, UH, THE EARLY SPRING, UH, WE HAD SOME MEETINGS WITH THE ASSOCIATION, I THINK THE FIRST ONE THAT WE WENT OUT THERE, UH, UH, WALT WAS THERE AS WELL AS BRIAN WOODWARD AND MYSELF.
AND, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE SITUATION THEY FOUND THEMSELVES IN AND WHAT, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW THIS ALL MIGHT WORK TO, UH, THE COMMUNITY'S INTEREST IN AS WELL AS THE COUNTIES.
UH, ONE OF THE TRIGGERS IS THAT, UM, THIS AGENCY THAT REGULATES DAMS, UH, SENT THE ASSOCIATION A LETTER BY THE WAY, THE ASSOCIATION OWNS THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE LAKE BOTTOM, AS WELL AS THE DAM.
UH, SO THEY GOT THIS LETTER BASICALLY SAYING, UH, AND, AND JACK MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO SAY ON THIS, BUT BASICALLY BECAUSE THERE'S A PUBLIC ROAD THAT GOES OVER IT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE STANDARD OF CARE TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THE DAM IS OKAY IS HIGHER THAN, THAN IT WAS PREVIOUSLY.
SO THAT KINDA LIKE TRIGGERED SOMEWHAT OF A SCRAMBLE FOR THE ASSOCIATION.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS? AND, UM, THEY, UH, UM, UNDERTOOK SOME INITIAL WORK WITH, UH, UH, AN ENGINEER THAT SPECIALIZES IN, IN DAM MAINTENANCE.
AND THEN WHEN WE, UH, CAME AND STARTED MEETING WITH THEM AND THEY SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, WHAT, HOW CAN WE WORK TOGETHER ON THIS? THE FIRST THING WE SAID WAS, WELL, LET US SEE ALL OF THE REPORTS, LET OUR ENGINEERS LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE GOTTEN SO FAR AND HELP US GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING.
SO, UM, UH, THAT HAS ALL BEEN DONE.
AND THEN WE STARTED WORKING ON THIS MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING TO SORT OF DEFINE WHAT THE PARTIES MIGHT DO, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE KIND OF UNDERSTOOD ALL THAT HAD HAPPENED UP TO THIS POINT.
SO, UM, TH THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BASICALLY TAKES THINGS AS FAR AS WE CAN WITH OUR CURRENT PHYSICAL AND ENGINEERING UNDERSTANDING OF, OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
AND THE DOCUMENT RECOGNIZES THAT ONCE WE KNOW MORE IN A FEW MONTHS, WE MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE SOME OTHER AGREEMENT OR, YOU KNOW, MODIFY WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
UH, BUT WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T SAY MORE THAN WE KNOW, AND THIS DOCUMENT PRETTY MUCH LIMITS, UH, WHAT THE PARTIES COMMIT TO, TO WHAT WE BELIEVE TO BE TRUE CURRENTLY.
UM, BUT AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, YOU SEE THE PICTURE OF THE DAM THERE, AND YOU SEE THE SPILLWAY, THE, THERE WAS SORT OF A MAIN CHANNEL OF DRAINAGE THAT NATURAL OF COURSE, GOES TO THE SPILLWAY AND SORT OF WHAT THIS MOU, UH, DOES, IS IT KIND OF DEFINES THE COUNTY IS TAKING THE LEAD ON THE, THE PUBLIC DRAINAGE FLOW AND THE SPILLWAY REPAIRS, WHICH IS THE THING THAT IS MOST CLEARLY TIED TO, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC CARPUS FS.
UM, AND IT BASICALLY PUTS THE ASSOCIATION IN THE LEAD ON THE DAM SIDE.
UH, BUT IT ALSO ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THERE'S REALLY NO PRACTICAL WAY TO DO THIS WITHOUT THESE TWO THINGS BEING COORDINATED.
AND, UM, WHAT WE, WHAT WE TRIED TO CREATE AS A STRUCTURAL, WE CAN MAKE SOME PROGRESS ON
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THE COUNTY SIDE OF THE ASSOCIATION CAN CONTINUE WHAT THEY STARTED.AND THEN WE SEE THOSE TWO EFFORTS SORT OF CONVERGING, YOU KNOW, IN A FEW MONTHS, ONCE WE HAVE SOME MORE ENGINEERING INFORMATION, BUT MR. MORGAN, I'M NO DAMN EXPERT, BUT IF, IF WE COULD GET BACK TO THAT PICTURE, THE DAM LOOKS VERY THIN.
AND I WAS UP THERE ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO, A RODAN THROUGH QUEENS LAKE FOR ANOTHER ISSUE, BUT IT, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S LARGE ENOUGH TO HOLD THAT, UH, AMOUNT OF WATER.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, AND MAYBE THE DAM COMMITTEE COULD COMMENT ON IT, BUT IT LOOKS VERY THIN.
AND OF COURSE, RIGHT OVER THERE, THE WALKING PATH, UH, THAT CARRIES THE SEWER PIPE, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WENT IN A LOT TOGETHER ON, BUT, UM, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WE MIGHT GET INTO, UH, WITH INCREASING THE WIDTH OF THE DAM, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S VERY THIN, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THE COMMITTEE HAD LOW, THE DAM COMMITTEE HAD LOOKED AT THAT AND I'LL, I'LL, I'LL TAKE YOUR SHOT AND THEN I'LL LET JACK COMMENT.
AND SO, UM, SO YOU KNOW, OUR, UH, STAFF ENGINEERS HAVE INSPECTED THE DAM, AND WHILE THEY'RE NOT DAM EXPERTS EITHER THEY ARE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS.
AND IT WAS ONE OF THE LAST THINGS IN BRIAN WOODWARD DID BEFORE HE RETIRED, WAS HE, HE OPINED THAT, YOU KNOW, BARRING SOME CATASTROPHIC EVENT THAT THE DAM WAS NOT IN IMMEDIATE, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURAL DANGER.
WHEN I FIRST WENT OUT THERE, THE QUESTION I WAS ASKING WAS BECAUSE EARTHEN DAMS TYPICALLY THE BIG RISK IS, UH, OVER TOPPING BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REALLY DESIGNED.
THEY ERODE AWAY IF THE WATER GOES OVER THE TOP.
UM, BUT IN THE HISTORICAL EXPERIENCE OF COMMUNITY, THAT HAS NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE.
I BELIEVE AGAIN, I'M NO DAMN EXPERT EITHER, BUT THE, UM, THE SPILLWAY IS A PRETTY HIGH CAPACITY SPILLWAY, RIGHT? SO, I MEAN, THERE ARE ONLY SO MUCH PRESSURE CAN BUILD UP.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, DAMS SORT OF BY NATURE ARE, ARE THIN.
I MEAN, LOOK AT HOOVER DAM OR, YOU KNOW, YOU PICK IT, UM, IS I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF THE CONCERNS HAD TO DO WITH THERE USED TO BE TREES IN THE EARTH AND PART, AND MAYBE THAT CREATED SOME INTEREST DIS-EASE AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME THINGS LIKE THAT.
SEE, I SOUNDED LIKE AN IN UM, LET'S START ASK ME TO SPELL IT.
AND SO ANYWAY, UH, JACK, I KNOW YOUR, YOUR CONSULTANTS HAD SOME THINGS TO SAY ABOUT ALL THAT.
AND AGAIN, I'M ALSO NOT A, NOT A DAMN EXPERT, BUT I CAN SAY THAT, UM, WE'VE HAD A GROUP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO HAS BEEN WORKING A LOT WITH ENGINEERS.
THEY HAVE SOME CONSTRUCTION EXPERTISE, THEY EVALUATED, I BELIEVE FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT POSSIBLE METHODS TO, TO FIX THE DAM.
AND, UH, THE ONE THAT THEY CHOSE, UM, WITH ACTUALLY, UH, FOUR TO FIVE, THE BACKSIDE OF THE DAM, AND WE CALL IT THE CREEK SIDE.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA INCREASE, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH BACKFILL AND STONE AND EVERYTHING ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE DAM.
UM, SO THAT IS THE APPROACH THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE.
AND THE OTHER THING IS THE, UM, UH, THE LAKE SIDE OF THE DAM IS ONLY ABOUT TWO AND A HALF, THREE FEET DEEP RIGHT THERE.
SO I I'M, I'M AN ENGINEERING SCHOOL DROPOUT, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT AS MUCH PRESSURE AS 10 OR 12 FEET OF WATER RIGHT THERE.
SO I KNOW THAT MUCH, THE DAM ITSELF HAS BEEN OUT THERE FOR HOW LONG, 80 YEARS, ALMOST A HUNDRED YEARS, I GUESS THE DAMAGE WITH RESPECT TO THE TREES WAS THAT ISABEL OR WHATEVER.
THESE MASSIVE TREES, WHICH CAUSED SOME ISSUES, BUT THAT WAS REPAIRED.
AND, UH, BUT, BUT THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING THAT BABY'S BEEN OUT THERE FOR 80 YEARS, THAT'S A RUIN ON TOP OF IT, WHICH THOSE OF US WHO LIVED IN THAT AREA TRAVELED OFTEN.
BUT, BUT, UH, NO NOTHING'S COLLAPSED EVEN WITH ISABEL POUNDING THE HELL OUT OF IT FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS.
SOUND LIKE A DAMN SO, SO WHAT WE WOULD HOPE TO ACHIEVE, UH, WITH THIS INSTRUMENT, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE MOU WOULD BE SORT OF THE ORGANIZING DOCUMENT TO, TO WORK ON THIS AS BASICALLY A STATEMENT OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE COUNTY WORKING TOGETHER TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THIS WORK DONE.
UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, UNLIKE MORE MODERN, UH, LAKE DRAINAGE SUBDIVISION SYSTEMS, THIS ONE DOESN'T REALLY HAVE, SUPPOSE IT REALLY DESIGNED.
AND SO WE WANT TO HAVE A SUSTAINABLE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR THE, FOR THE LARGER BASIN.
LIKE ROB SHOWED YOU IN THAT FIRST MAP, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ROAD IS THE SECONDARY ACCESS POINT AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN IT.
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HAVE ASKED, WELL, SINCE THERE'S A V DOT MAINTAINED ROAD ON IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THEIR OBLIGATION AND WELL, THE COUNTY AND THE ASSOCIATION HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSION WITH V.IN THEIR NORMAL SET OF RULES AND PROCEDURES.THEY WILL NOT GET INVOLVED IN, UM, DAM MAINTENANCE.
I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S COME UP AROUND THE STATE.
AND THEY JUST, ONE OF THE ONLY WAY WE MIGHT GET, I MEAN, THEY WILL BE AT THE TABLE AND CERTAINLY WE WILL NEED THEM AT THE TABLE WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT OF, YOU KNOW, DOING SOMETHING WITH THE SPILLWAY IN THE DAM.
BUT THE ONLY WAY THE STATE'S GOING TO COME UP WITH ANY MONEY IS IF THERE'S SOME KIND OF SPECIAL APPROPRIATION OR SOMETHING, UH, WHICH IS POSSIBLE AND SOMETHING THAT CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD WANT TO LOBBY FOR, BUT WE TRIED TO DESIGN THIS.
UH, WE DON'T JUST, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A PLAN THAT'S BASED ON HOPE THAT SOMETHING MIGHT HAPPEN THERE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT COULD OCCUR.
AND IF IT DID, IT WOULD MAKE THE, THE TIMING AND THE EASE OF PULLING THIS ALL TOGETHER BETTER FINANCIALLY.
YOU DON'T HAVE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION PER SE, BUT EVERYBODY DOES BELONG TO IT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S, THAT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.
SO SUMMARIZE WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
YOU'VE GOT TO BACKFILL THE CREEK SIDE OF THE DAM WITH SOME MORE EARTH AND GRAVEL.
WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE SPILLWAY.
SO MY VERSION OF THIS AND ROB AT THE END WAS HOW ARE YOU GOING TO RESTATE THIS? SO, UM, WE HAVE SOME EASEMENTS IN SOME OF THE TRIBUTARIES AND THAT'S WHERE WE ALREADY HAD A CIP PROJECT.
AND THE THOUGHT WAS WE COULD MODIFY THAT PROJECT, UH, TO MAKE IT SOMEWHAT MORE AMBITIOUS.
AND WHAT WE WOULD LOOK FOR IS THE ASSOCIATION AND THE MOU BASICALLY ANTICIPATES US TO GRANT US, UH, EASEMENTS AT NO COST AND SORT OF THE NATURAL CHANNEL AND, AND CONTROL OF THE SPILLWAY.
SO SORT OF IF NECESSARY AS STANDALONE, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, UPGRADE THE DRAINAGE ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE SPILLWAY.
AND THEN, UM, THE TRICK IS, UH, NONE OF US CAN REALLY AT THIS POINT ARTICULATE EXACTLY WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE SPILLWAY AND THE EARTH AND DAM IS.
I MEAN, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY THE SCENE THERE AS A CRITICAL PART OF THIS AND EXACTLY HOW THAT'S ALL DEFINED.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED SOME MORE ENGINEERING HELP TO GET THERE.
UM, SO IDEALLY, UM, THE, THE DAM, UH, RE UPGRADE STRATEGY THAT JACK MENTIONED, UH, WILL BE DEVELOPED, UH, AS WE'RE DEVELOPING OUR DRAINAGE, UH, SPILLWAY DESIGN.
AND THEN WE WILL FIGURE OUT HOW TO PULL THOSE TWO THINGS TOGETHER.
AND HOPEFULLY IN A COUPLE OF YEARS, WE WOULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO IT ALL AS ONE PROJECT, UH, BECAUSE OF THINGS LIKE THE LAKE MIGHT HAVE TO BE DRAINED FOR CONSTRUCTION, AND YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT TWICE, IF YOU CAN DO IT ONCE.
AND, UM, YEAH, SO THAT, I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S THE ESSENCE OF IT.
SO THERE'S TWO THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IS BUILT AT THE DAM ON THE CREEK SIDE AND PERMANENTLY HAVE A, UH, SORT OF A SUSTAINABLE DRAINAGE PROGRAM FOR THE WHOLE, THE LARGER BASE.
UM, AND, AND IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE SYSTEM PROBLEM OR BECAUSE WE TO MEET NEW STATE REGULATIONS OR, UM, WELL, YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY, SO DCR DIDN'T CHANGE THEIR RULES.
THEY RECLASSIFIED THE DAM BECAUSE OF THE ROAD AND THAT'S WHAT MOVES THE HAZARD DIFFERENT.
SO IN ORDER TO BRING THE DAM WHERE YOU NEED IT TO BE, TO USE THE ROAD, IS THERE CERTAIN THINGS YOU DO AND EVERYTHING YOU DO TO THE DAM TO IMPROVEMENT GIVES YOU POINTS ACCORDING TO DCR.
SO SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS ONE OF THEM, THE BIG ONE WAS TAKING A METAL SHEET PLANK AND PUTTING IT IN FRONT OF THE SPILLWAY SO THAT THE WATER FROM THE LAKE SIDE COULDN'T GET AROUND AND GO BETWEEN THE CONCRETE AND THE DAM ITSELF.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT I'D LIKE TO REITERATE, THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS.
THE QUEENSLAND COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION STARTED OUT WITH AN ENGINEERING FIRM AND CAME TO THE COUNTY.
SO WE HAVEN'T REALLY LOOKED AT THE WHOLE PICTURE OF HOW TO GET THE POINTS TO PUT THE DAM BACK INTO REGULATIONS.
SO I THINK THAT THE DRIVER ISN'T IMMEDIATE KNOWN PROBLEMS, THE DRIVER IS, HEY, IT'S BEING RECLASSIFIED, AND NOW YOU NEED TO DO DUE THE FULL TO THERE'S ALREADY.
THERE'S, THERE'S A REGULATORY THING THAT HAS BECOME THE DRIVER.
I THINK HONESTLY, HAD THAT NOT HAPPENED.
IT MIGHT'VE BEEN ON A DIFFERENT SCHEDULE, BUT AT SOME POINT, THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT THE LAKE AND THE DRAINAGE BASIN WAS GOING TO COME UP.
JACK, AS NEIL MENTIONED, UH, I'M JACK DOOLEY, I'M CHAIRPERSON FOR THE QLC
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SPECIAL COMMITTEE.UM, I WAS FORMERLY CHAIRPERSON FOR A COMMITTEE THAT WE HAD WORKING WITH V DOT ON THE
UH, OUR SPECIAL COMMITTEE ALSO HAS DOUG ELLIS.
HE'S A CURRENT QLC BOARD MEMBER.
AND, UH, IN HIS WORKING CAREER, WORKED EXTENSIVELY, WORKED WITH THE STATE AND EXTENSIVELY WITH, UH, PUBLIC PARTNERSHIPS, PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS.
AND WE'VE ALSO GOT MARK FRANKEL WHO WAS A FORMER LAKE DIRECTOR.
HE WAS ALSO THE LIAISON WITH THE COUNTY ON THE SHORE PROJECT, WORKED CLOSELY WITH BRIAN WOODWARD FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
UM, I LIKE TO SAY, THANK YOU, THANK YOU TO MR. ZAREMBA, NEIL, ROB KRIEGER, JOE BROGAN, AND THE YORK COUNTY STAFF.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH THEM ALL SINCE MARCH OF THIS YEAR.
AND THINGS HAVE BEEN GOING VERY WELL.
UM, AS NEIL MENTIONED, DCR INSPECTED OUR DAM IN JUNE OF LAST YEAR, RECLASSIFIED IT TO HIGHER DESIGNATION THAT REQUIRED US TO HIRE AN ENGINEERING FIRM TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, TO MEET THIS NEW DESIGNATION.
DCR ISSUED A CONDITIONAL CERTIFICATION THROUGH JUNE OF 23 TO MEET THIS NEW REQUIREMENT, BUT AS WILLING TO EXTEND THAT DEADLINE, UM, ESPECIALLY IN THE LIGHT OF US WORKING WITH THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE MENTIONED TO THEM AND WE'RE TRYING TO WORK OUT SOMETHING AND THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH US ON THAT.
UM, IN FEBRUARY, OUR BOARD CREATED A SPECIAL COMMITTEE TO ENGAGE WITH THE COUNTY AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS, INCLUDING B-DOG DCR TO SEE ABOUT COLLABORATING ON THIS PROJECT FOR SUSTAINABLE SOLUTION.
UH, AS NEIL MENTIONED ON A PREVIOUS SLIDE FOR DECADES, QUEENS LAKE HAS TAKEN ON STORMWATER ORIGINATING FROM THE OTHER UPPER COUNTY NEIGHBORHOODS, INCLUDING NEW YORK TERRORIST, RURAL GRANT CREEK SIDE, UM, EVEN PARTS OF COLONIAL PARKWAY AND I 64 RESULTS AGAINST SILTATION AND STRESS ON THE LAKE.
UH, DAN AND SPILLWAY AFTER INITIAL POSITIVE MEETINGS WITH NEIL AND THE STORM WATER STAFF MANAGEMENT, UM, OUR MEMBERSHIP OVERWHELMING VOTED POSITIVELY POSITIVELY TO PROCEED IN ENTERING IN AN MOU WITH THE COUNTY, UH, IN A COMPREHENSIVE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT APPROACH.
SO TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF HISTORY OF, OF QUEENSLAND AND THE DAM, UM, THE DAM AND SPILLWAY WERE BUILT BEFORE 1930, LONG BEFORE TODAY'S EXISTING STANDARDS, UH, CONSTRUCTION OF HOMES AND QL WERE BUILT MOSTLY IN THE 19TH BETWEEN THE 1950S AND THE 1980S.
UM, AS SHEILA ALLUDED TO, WE'RE NOT A MANDATORY HOA, LIKE MOST OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS, WE'RE KIND OF UNUSUAL.
UH, WE'RE MORE LIKE A PRIVATE CLUB.
UM, AND ABOUT 70% OF OUR MEMBERSHIP ARE ACTUALLY PAYING VOLUNTARY DUES FOR THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD STAFF.
UH, YET WE OWN A DAM WITH A STATE ROAD ON TOP OF IT, WHICH IS KIND OF UNUSUAL.
UM, THE, THAT MAINTAINS THE ROAD SURFACE AND QLC IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DAY AND SUBSTRUCTURE IN 2003, HURRICANE ISABELLE WIPED OUT MANY TREES THAT WERE LINING THE DAM CAUSING B DOTS CLOSED THE ROAD, WHICH WAS FOR OVER ONE YEAR, UM, UNTIL THE NEIGHBORHOOD VOLUNTEERS ACTUALLY CUT AND CLEARED THE ROAD, UH, TO DATE QLC HAS SPENT OVER $70,000 ON ENGINEERING STUDIES, UH, AND SOME DESIGN WORK ON THE DAM.
AND WE RECENTLY SPENT $36,000 WITH THE YORK COUNTY WETLANDS BOARDS TO PURCHASE WETLANDS CREDITS.
UM, BUT THAT WAS THE, THE BACK OF THE CREEK SIDE SECTION OF THE DAM.
IT WE'RE ACTUALLY IMPACTING, UH, FOR ONE HUNDREDS OF AN ACRE.
AND AT THE GIVEN WETLANDS CREDITS, THAT'S $36,000 THAT WE PAID FOR THAT ALREADY.
UM, OUR COMMUNITY IS AN OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD.
MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS HAVE LIVED IN THE QUEENSLAND FOR 40 YEARS OR MORE BEFORE CRUDE AND STORM WATER, MAN, THIS MANAGEMENT PRACTICES FOR THE CHESAPEAKE BAY OR THE CHESAPEAKE BAY ACT WE'RE IN AROUND, UH, MANY RESIDENTS FROM NOW CONCERNED WITH HOW THIS COULD AFFECT OUR CAPITAL RESERVES AND DUES, AS YOU'D EXPECT TAKING ON A PROJECT THAT THIS SCOPE IS BEYOND OUR FINANCIAL CAPABILITIES AND EXPERTISE, BUT WE ARE OPTIMISTIC MOVING FORWARD WITH THE COUNTY AND THE COLLABORATION TO IMPLEMENT THE SAFE, SUSTAINABLE SOLUTION THAT IS MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL.
AND OUR MEMBERS ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
IF YOU HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS.
WHAT IS THE ALWAYS WORKING? WHAT ARE THE WETLANDS CURTIS BEING USED FOR? WHAT YOU WHAT'D YOU PERSON PURCHASES FOR? I'M NOT SURE THE WHOLE PROCESS, TO BE HONEST, IT'S APPLIED TO RESTORE WHAT LANDS SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE STATE OF ROB.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS IS AN ANTICIPATION OF CAM UPGRADE, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF YOU ARE GOING TO SORT OF CHANGE THE SLOPE OF THE DAM, THE DIRT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE PUT IN DESTROY THESE WETLANDS.
SO WE PROVIDE DRAWINGS THAT SHOWED WHAT WE ANTICIPATE IMPACT.
SO THIS IS ON THE CRITICAL PATH OF DOING THIS ALL SET THAT RIGHT? WELL, IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S VIRGINIA HAS A NET ZERO WETLANDS LOSS, UM, POLICY.
SO THE $36,000 IS ACTUALLY FUNNELED TO THE NATURE CONSERVANCY AND THEY APPLIED TO
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WHAT OTHER, WHAT OTHER PROJECTS? IT MAY NOT EVEN BE RELATED TO QUEENS.SO QUEENS LIKE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION OR CUTE, THEY OWN THE EARTH THAT THE DAM IS THE DAM.
IT'S GIVEN THAT V DOT RIGHT AWAY.
SO BEAT OUT FRONT, OR WHY DON'T, WE PRETTY MUCH COVER THE ENTIRETY OF THE DAM, EVEN THOUGH YOU GUYS DON'T HIT, WHEN THEY BEAT OUT TAKE OVER THAT ROAD.
DID WE KNOW HOW, HOW LONG WAS THAT ROAD BEEN THERE? OH YEAH, WE CAN RESEARCH THAT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THE ROPE AND THAT LONG TIME.
AND THEN TWO YEARS AGO, SUDDENLY THE STATE REALIZES A ROAD THERE AND THEY NEED TO RECLASSIFY IT AND NOW PUT ALL THESE WORK IN THEM.
I GUESS THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE SO, SO I DON'T REALLY KNOW.
AND SOMEBODY ELSE IN THE ROOM MIGHT, BUT THE TH THE STATE'S INVOLVEMENT IN DAM REGULATION AND SMALLER DAMS THAT WEREN'T LIKE BIG GOVERNMENT DAMS OVER THE LAST DECADE OR SO THEY'VE GOTTEN MORE ACTIVE IN THAT WORLD.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'VE BEEN A COUPLE THAT HAD PROBLEMS. AND SO IT HAS IT'S IN THAT CONTEXT THAT IT OCCURRED.
OH, TO KIND OF TAILGATE ON WHAT, UH, NEIL AND JACK WERE SAYING.
UM, ACTUALLY IN QUEENS, LIKE WE DID ONE OF OUR FIRST STORM WATER PROJECTS IN 1998, UM, UP IN THAT DRAINAGE BASIN.
AND THEN WE'VE DONE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS TO PROTECT RAVINES AND THE DRAINAGE IN AND AROUND THE AREA ON, ON COP'S WAY OR SHOE DRIVE, BOWSTRING DRIVE, WE'VE DONE SOME WORK AND THEN EVEN ON EAST QUEENS DRIVE, AND THEN AS MOST OF YOU ARE AWARE, WE DID THE MULTI-YEAR SEWER EXTENSION.
I MEAN, THAT WAS WHAT, 2010 TO 11 TO 16 ISH, 17 ISH.
AND, UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE PROGRAM CIP PROJECTS FOR THE AREA IN FISCAL YEARS, 24 AND 25.
AND TO REITERATE WHAT NEIL WAS SAYING WITH YOUR APPROVAL, WE COULD MODIFY THE EXISTING CIP PROGRAM, AND THEN STAFF COULD CONSULT WITH THE ENGINEERS.
THAT'S ALREADY, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'VE ALREADY BEGUN.
WE COULD KIND OF FORMULATE THE PLAN WITH THE LOOK, THE SPILLWAY IN THE DAMN TOGETHER.
AND THEN AGAIN, THERE MIGHT BE SOME UNKNOWNS BECAUSE WE REALLY HAVEN'T GONE DOWN THAT ROAD.
AND THEN THE BOARD WOULD HAVE A CHANCE TO SEE THIS AS A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM AND THEN ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THE CIP.
YOU'D BE ABLE TO SEE THEM THROUGHOUT THE WINTER AND THE SPRING AND ULTIMATELY YOUR BOARD APPROVAL OF THE BUDGET.
SO HOW DO THOSE CURRENT CIP PASTIME DID THIS WORK, BUT THEY DON'T.
WE WERE DOING, SO WHAT WE DO IS WE WOULD, WE WOULD BYPASS WORK AND A RAVINE TO TAKE ON THE BIGGER RISK OF THE DAM AND THE SPILLWAY.
SO YOU WERE DEFERRED THAT WORK TO DO THIS WORK.
THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION SINCE HE'S IN THE ROOM IS, UH, RICHARD HILL, UH, UH, DID OUR LEGAL WORK AND DRAFTED THIS MOU AND WENT BACK AND FORTH A BUNCH OF TIMES.
SO I DID WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE RICHARD'S WORK ON THIS.
SO DO WE HAVE A FEEL FOR WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS FAR AS, UM, I DON'T, UM, I MEAN, IT'S, IT WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT.
IT WOULD BE REALLY IRRESPONSIBLE FOR ME TO JUST THROW OUT A NUMBER THAT THE NUMBER IN THE CIP FOR THE OTHER PROJECT THAT ROB IS SUGGESTING, MAYBE WE WOULD PUT THAT ON THE BACK BURNER, IF THIS WAS MORE IMPORTANT WAS I THINK 1.2 MILLION.
UM, SO I MEAN, SOMETHING ON THAT SCALE WOULD BE NO NET CHANGE, RIGHT? YOU WOULD HAVE TO THINK IT WOULD BE SOMEWHAT MORE THAN THAT.
UH, BY THE TIME ALL OF A SUDDEN DONE, IT MIGHT END UP BEING PHASES.
YOU GET INTO THINGS LIKE WOULD THE SHEEP POWER WORK BE PART OF THE SPILLWAY JOB OR THE DAMN JOB? YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE DON'T KNOW YET.
UM, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE, I DON'T BELIEVE BEYOND THE SCALE OF SOME OTHER IN A DRAINAGE PROJECTS THAT WE UNDERTAKE AROUND COUNTY.
THE ONLY QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS, IS THE COMMITMENT OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION TO MEET THEIR OBLIGATIONS, SEEING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE AN ORGANIZATION THEN.
SO YOU WERE SAYING AN MOU ON GOOD FAITH.
WE DO HAVE SOME FUNDS IN THE BANK AND, UM, WE CAN COVER THE DAMN REPAIRS.
SO THAT AT LEAST AS FAR AS WE'RE TOLD SO FAR, AND WE'RE GOING TO ASK THEM TO DO IS INCREASES.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PAINLESS, BUT WE KNOW WE HAVE TO BUCK UP AND MAKE IT HAPPEN.
SO LET ME ASK A QUESTION TO MAKE EVERYBODY UNCOMFORTABLE.
WHAT, IF NOTHING WAS DONE, PROBABLY HAVE TO CLOSE THE ROAD.
I WOULD IMAGINE, UM, WILL THAT BE THAT ROAD, BUT IT WOULD BE NOT TO COME AND CLOSE.
THEY WOULD JUST NOT DO ANYTHING IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
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THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS SOUNDS A LITTLE BIT FLIPPANT, BUT YOU KNOW, IN THE LONG RUN THAT DRAINAGE SYSTEM AND DAM NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO PROTECT IT FOR THE FUTURE.AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SO IF THE LAKE WASHED OUT, UM, OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD BE CATASTROPHIC FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED IN THAT COMMUNITY, BUT, BUT QUEENS LAKE IS KIND OF A PART OF THE TOWN.
IT'S NOT JUST THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, YOU KNOW, WOULD WE, WOULD ANY OF US WANT TO ENTERTAIN THE IDEA, EVEN IF IT WAS 20 YEARS FROM NOW OF THAT REVERTING TO, YOU KNOW, A SWAMP I'M NOT ADVOCATING, I BECAME NOT DOING IT, BUT I'M WONDERING IF, IF, IF WE HAD, IF WAS AN ASPECT OF TOM ON THAT WE CAN'T MEET OR THE DAMN POLICE GOING TO SHOW UP AND ARREST EVERYBODY, I MEAN, WHAT'S, OH, WE'RE GOING TO TELL THEM, AND WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM YOUR ADDRESS.
WHEN IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, BASED ON WHAT PUBLIC WORKS COMMUNICATION WITH, UH, DCR HAS BEEN, OUR STRONG SENSE IS IF THEY FEEL LIKE IF WE'RE WORKING IN GOOD FAITH TO RESOLVE IT, THEY'LL WORK.
AND YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS OFTEN END UP BEING PHASED THINGS, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT COME BACK AND A FEW MONTHS AFTER WE HAVE SOME MORE ENGINEERING EXPERTISE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DO IT IN THIS SEQUENCE.
AND THIS IS THE CRITICAL PATH.
AND THE TIMING IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
UH, WE JUST, WE DON'T WANT TO SAY THINGS WE DON'T REALLY KNOW ABOUT HOW IT MIGHT PLAY OUT.
I UNDERSTAND THE PRESSURE BEHIND IS ALSO THE DCU OR HAS GIVEN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, JACK.
BUT I BELIEVE WITH THE HELP OF THE COUNTY HAS GIVEN A, I BELIEVE IT'S A TWO YEAR EXTENSION.
SO MAYBE WE HAVE A TWO YEAR EXTENSION TO WORK AND SHOW GOOD FAITH.
AND THEN, AND THEN IT KIND OF DROVE MY QUESTION TO HER THAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER THAT WE WERE GIVEN AN EXTENSION LIKE, WELL, YEAH, THAT'S GREAT.
AND YOU JUST TOLD US LIKE A YEAR AGO THAT WE NEEDED TO DO SOMETHING THERE.
THANK YOU FOR THE EXTENSION WE COME OFF.
BUT YOU KNOW, THE PARTIES CAN SHOW THAT WE'RE WE'RE WORKING ON IT, BUT NOT ANYMORE.
KIND OF A QUESTION AS TO, YOU'RE ASKING US TO, ARE YOU ASKING US TO VOTE ON YOU SIGNING A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING? CAUSE IT'S A, AND BACK TO MR. HILL.
I MEAN, IT'S A FOUR PAGE DOCUMENT I'VE READ AND IT SEEMS TO BE VERY CONCISE AND TO THE POINT, WELL, THE DAM AND, AND YEAH.
WELL, THERE'S TWO WAYS YOU CAN DO IT.
I GUESS WHAT I THOUGHT WAS IF THERE WAS A NODDING OF HEADS TONIGHT, I PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING NOTE ON IT.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS SAYING.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE SHOULD GO.
THAT WOULD BE MY RECORD WITH THAT LETTER.
I GIVE TOM A CHANCE TO BE INVOLVED WITH, I GOT MINE OVER THERE.
YOU DON'T NEED MINE AT THREE ALREADY, SO WELL, AND WE DID WITH THIS GROUP HERE.
BUT OF COURSE YOU HAVE MY DONE.
I DID BRIEF TOM ON, I'VE TALKED TO TOM ABOUT SEVERAL THINGS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT BECAUSE I KNEW HE WASN'T GOING TO BE HERE AND HE'S AN AGREEABLE WITH EVERYTHING.
SO I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT.
WELL, ANYTHING MORE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO YOU'LL PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REASON WHY.
I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT BEFORE WE MOVE ON.
[3 Personal Property Tax Relief. Receive presentation from staff on the proposed Personal Property Tax December Bill Reduction.]
WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RELIEF AND THAT'S A BIGGIE.I KNOW EVERYBODY'S LISTED IN INTERESTEDLY SO LET'S KEEP OUR QUESTIONS UNTIL THEY'RE FINISHED.
SO I THINK YOU ALL KNOW THERESA AND GREG FORSTER, THERESA, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, AND GREG IS OUR SENIOR BUDGET ANALYST.
UH, YOU, YOU MOSTLY HAVE SEEN GREG, UH, DOING PRESENTATIONS ON, YOU KNOW, ARPA AND CARES ACT.
I DID WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU A WORD THAT TODAY, UH, BASED ON A VOTE OF HIS PEERS, HE WAS RECOGNIZED AS THE EMPLOYEE OF THE QUARTER.
CONGRATULATIONS, YOU SEE THE WORK YOU DID ON THIS.
I THINK Y'ALL YOU, YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR VOTE AS WELL.
UM, SO, UH, WE WERE GOING TO KIND OF DO THIS IN THREE PARTS.
I WAS JUST GOING TO KIND OF, SORT OF TALK THROUGH THE STORY OF HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO.
AND THEN THERESA IS GOING TO SHARE WITH YOU SORT OF HOW SHE CAME UP WITH THE, UH, THE CALCULATION FOR THE AMOUNT OF FUNDS THAT WE CAN PLUG INTO THIS, UH, RELIEF PROGRAM REBATE PROGRAM, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
AND THEN GREG'S GOING TO GIVE YOU AS MUCH OF THE MATH AS YOU CARE TO HEAR.
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YOU SOME GRAPHIC PICTURES THAT I THINK WILL BE VERY INFORMATIVE.AND THEN PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT IS SOME, SOME HARD EXAMPLES OF IF WE DO THIS, YOU KNOW, UH, THIS IS HOW IT WOULD AFFECT THE VEHICLE LIKE THIS.
AND OF COURSE THE 60,000 VEHICLES.
AND IT'S NOT PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE TO TELL EVERYBODY THAT OWNS ONE OF THE 60,000 CARS, EXACTLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.
BUT I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO GIVE YOU A VERY STRONG SENSE OF HOW IT WOULD AFFECT VEHICLES IN DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
AND THIS MAY BE ONE OF THE SLIDES COMING UP, BUT JUST LET ME MAKE THIS.
SO, UM, A TON OF WORK WENT INTO GETTING THIS WHERE WE'RE AT, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD CLEARLY WANTED US TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO SEE THAT THE DECEMBER BILL WAS SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCED AND A TEAM THAT INVOLVED FINANCE, THE COMMISSIONER TREASURER, UH, THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
IT AS WELL AS COUNTY ADMIN HAS WORKED A LOT TO GET US TO WHERE WE'RE AT.
AND, UM, BECAUSE, UH, THIS PROPOSAL WOULD REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, WE'VE TAKEN THE LIBERTY TO GO AHEAD AND ADVERTISE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
AND THE REASON WE DID THAT IS BECAUSE THERE'S MORE SAUSAGE MAKING ON THE BACK END OF THIS IN AN ORDER TO GET ALL THIS DONE IN TIME RECALL, WE SAID, ONE OF OUR THINGS IS WE DON'T WANT TO BE SENDING OUT THOUSANDS OF CHECKS.
WE WANT TO DO THIS AND PUT IT ON THE DECEMBER BILL.
AND SO WE NEED SOME LEAD TIME TO GET THAT DONE.
UH, AND, UM, SO THE, UH, JUST RESTATING THE OBVIOUS HERE.
UM, WE ALL KNOW THAT, UH, A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF THE USED VEHICLES, NEW OR USED VEHICLES WENT UP, UH, QUITE A BIT.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT IN THE BUDGET, UH, RUN UP.
UH, I FEEL LIKE I SHOULD HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT MORE AND NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS TRUE THOUGH, AS GREG DID THIS ANALYSIS IS HOW VARIABLE IT WAS JUST, IT WAS REALLY JUST DEPENDED ON THE CARD.
SO AS YOU'LL SEE, 25, 15,000 CARS DIDN'T GO UP AT ALL AND YOU KNOW, ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT WENT UP A LITTLE BIT AND THEN, UH, I DON'T KNOW, HALF OR SO, WENT UP A LOT.
AND SO IT WAS KIND OF HARD TO UNDERSTAND.
AND WHEN YOU ALL SAID, YOU KNOW, DO SOMETHING TO, UH, GET THE DECEMBER BILL BACK TOWARD, YOU KNOW, MORE WHAT PEOPLE MIGHT EXPECT.
WE ASKED SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU DO THIS EQUITABLY TEMPTING? CAUSE IT'S EASY TO EXPLAIN, TO SAY SOME PERCENTAGE, LET'S REDUCE EVERYTHING.
SOME PERCENTAGE THAT ADDED UP TO THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THERESA FOUND THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS IT AFFECTED PEOPLE SO DIFFERENTLY.
IF WE DID THAT, SOME PEOPLE THAT HAD WORKED TOOK A BIG HIT WOULDN'T GET THAT MUCH BACK.
AND SOME PEOPLE THAT HAD NO INCREASE AT ALL WOULD GET MONEY BACK.
SO WE DIDN'T REALLY LIKE THAT IDEA.
AND SO WE CAME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WE THINK IS MORE EQUITABLE.
UH, THE BASIC TASK THAT WE GAVE GREG WAS, UM, COME UP WITH A FORMULA WHERE IF YOUR CAR TAX WENT UP A WHOLE LOT IN JUNE, IT'LL GO DOWN A WHOLE LOT IN DECEMBER.
AND IF IT WENT UP A LITTLE BIT IN JUNE, IT'LL GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT IN DECEMBER.
UH, THAT WAS KIND OF THE, WHAT WE CHALLENGED THEM WITH.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S PRETTY GOOD.
UM, FIRST THING, OF COURSE, JUST REMINDER IS YOU ALL ASKED FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO DO SOME THINGS, UH, TO HELP FOLKS THAT WERE KIND OF SHOCKED BY THE INCREASE.
AND SO WE RECALL, UM, I'M SORT OF ON THE GOOD FAITH OF YOUR DIRECTION.
UH, THE TREASURER, UH, HELD THE PENALTY A 2% TILL THE END OF SEPTEMBER AND, UH, COMMUNITY SERVICES WITH SOME SUPPORT FROM SOCIAL SERVICES, STOOD UP A HARDSHIP PROGRAM.
AND THEN WE STARTED WORKING ON THIS, UH, BIGGER, UH, TASK OF, UH, KNOCKING DOWN FOR DECEMBER.
AND THERE WERE A BUNCH OF PARAMETERS.
I MEAN, I KNOW YOU, YOU READ ABOUT WHAT DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES DO AND THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF VARIATION AND WHAT THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS DO AND WHAT POSITION THEY TAKE AND THE ATTORNEYS AND OTHER THINGS.
UM, SO WE WORKED WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE UNDERSTOOD WE HAD.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, ONCE THE RATE WAS SET, YOU COULD NOT MESS WITH THE RATE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR.
UM, AND YOU COULDN'T, UH, THE, THE, THE MONEY UNDER STATE LAW, THE MONEY THAT WE COULD MAKE AVAILABLE FOR WHATEVER REDUCTION PROGRAM NEEDED
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TO BE SOMETHING THAT THERESA COULD ACTUALLY CALCULATE AS WHAT YOU MIGHT CALL WINDFALL REVENUE THAT WAS GENERATED BY THIS SITUATION.AND SHE'LL GET INTO THAT IN A MINUTE.
WE ALSO WANTED IT TO BE MEANINGFUL.
UM, AND WE, UH, WHAT I ALREADY STATED, NOT JUST SOME EASY TO EXPLAIN PERCENTAGE THAT REALLY WASN'T FAIR.
UH, WE THOUGHT IT WAS BETTER TO HAVE SOMETHING MORE COMPLEX THAT CREATED THE MIRROR IMAGE GOING DOWN AS WHAT WENT UP.
UM, YEAH, SO WE PICKED THE COMPLEX ROAD, BUT IT'S, UH, BUT IT'S, IT'S GOOD.
SO, UM, I THINK WE REALLY, UM, A COUPLE OTHER THINGS THAT I MENTIONED IN MY REMARKS ON THIS IN ONE OF THE OTHER MEETINGS, UM, WE WERE LIKE, WELL, WHO SHOULD THIS TARGET? AND IN ADDITION TO THOSE THAT HAD A MAJOR IMPACT WITH THE GOING UP, THE OTHER THING IS, WELL, THE WHOLE POINT WAS, PEOPLE WERE SAYING, SOME PEOPLE WERE SAYING, WELL, MY BILL WENT UP SO MUCH IN JUNE COMPARED TO LAST DECEMBER.
SO WE SAID, WELL, IF YOU DIDN'T PAY TAXES IN YOUR COUNTY, UH, YOU KNOW, LAST DECEMBER FOR THE MOST PART, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT IS NOT A, IT'S NOT YOUR PROBLEM.
SO THIS WAS MAINLY FOCUSED ON THOSE WHO PAID LAST DECEMBER.
THERE WAS SOME EXCEPTIONS THAT GREG WE'LL GET INTO AND NOW TERESA'S SURPRISE, SURPRISE, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT MONEY.
SO I'M AND CALCULATING THE EXCESS REVENUE.
UM, I WANTED TO REITERATE, UM, KIND OF WHAT NEIL SAID A MINUTE AGO IS THAT I HAD TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH REVENUE WE HAD IN FISCAL YEAR 22.
THAT'S WHAT THE LAW ALLOWS US TO RETURN ACT TO THE TAXPAYERS.
SO FOR REVENUE IN 22, IT INCLUDES THE SECOND HALF OF DECEMBER OF 21 AND THE FIRST HALF OF JUNE OF THE CALENDAR YEAR, WHICH IS JUNE 20 TWOS BILL.
SO IN ORDER TO DETERMINE THE EXCESS REVENUE FOR JUNE BILL, I TOOK OUR ADOPTED BUDGET AND ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT REVENUE, OR IT'S ALWAYS WHAT'S COLLECTED.
SO WE ALSO HAVE SOME DELINQUENTS THAT GET COLLECTED THAT MAYBE 18, 19 20 THAT GET COLLECTED IN THE CAR A YEAR.
SO I TOOK THE ADOPTED BUDGET, TOOK OUT ESTIMATED DELINQUENT TAXES AND SPLIT THAT IN HALF BECAUSE HALF OF THAT DECEMBER BILL, THIS DECEMBER 21 AND HALF OF IT IS 4 22.
AFTER THAT, I COMPARED THAT TO THE REVENUE WE COLLECTED FOR THE JUNE 22 BILLS AND THE WAY, UM, ACCOUNTING WORKS, HOW ELSE TO SAY IT IS IT'S ANYTHING THAT'S COLLECTED UNTIL AUGUST 15TH, 2022.
SO WE'RE STILL COLLECTING REVENUE FOR THIS, FOR THIS CALCULATION.
SO WHAT I'M GONNA SHOW YOU ON THE NEXT SLIDE IS WHAT I'VE CALCULATED SO FAR AND WHAT I ESTIMATE WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE.
AND WHAT GREG'S EXAMPLES THAT HE'S GOING TO SHOW YOU LATER ON IN THE PRESENTATION WE'LL HAVE.
SO OUR PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX NET OF OUR ESTIMATE DELINQUENT TAXES IN OUR BUDGET IS $15.9 MILLION.
THE AMOUNT OF REBUTTAL TO JUNE IS 50% OF THAT NUMBER.
AND SO FAR WE'VE COLLECTED NOT ESTIMATED $11.2 MILLION.
SO WHAT, UM, GREG USED IN HIS CALCULATIONS AND HIS EXAMPLES IS ABOUT $3.3 MILLION OF EXCESS REVENUE THAT WE ARE GOING TO RETURN BACK IN THIS REBATE IN DECEMBER.
SO AGAIN, THE EXACT NUMBER YOU WILL KNOW ON AUGUST 15TH, BUT THESE EXAMPLES ARE SO CLOSE THAT THE VARIATION WILL BE VERY SMALL.
YEAH, I WOULD HAVE TO BE OFF, DO HALF A MILLION, 10 MILLION FOR IT TO CHANGE SIGNIFICANTLY IN JUST A SUDDEN USED OR ALL THE USED CARS AND APPRECIABLY HIGHER TAX RATE THAN THAT YOU'VE SCOPED THE NUCLEAR.
GREG'S GOING TO GO OVER HOW, HOW THAT WORKS.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU TALK, WE TALKED A MINUTE, A LITTLE BIT AGO ABOUT THE COMPLEXITY OF IT.
AND PART OF THAT IS WE WANT IT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS FAIR FOR THOSE CARS THAT WENT UP HIGHER AND HIGHER AND VALUE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY GOT THE BIGGER RETURN AND THE ONES THAT WENT UP A LITTLE BIT LESS GOT A LESS RETURN.
SO THAT'S PART OF THE, THANK YOU, GOOD EVENING EMPLOYEE OF THE QUARTER.
WELL, NOW WE WILL JUST JUMP RIGHT IN.
I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE ABOUT THE CALCULATIONS AND THE IMPACT TO THE TAXPAYERS IN THE COUNTY OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
UM, SO THERE'S KIND OF A LOT TO UNPACK HERE.
UH, BUT THIS IS A PICTURE OF HOW THAT $3.3 MILLION, UH, IS GOING TO BE DISTRIBUTED TO ALL OF THE VEHICLES IN THE COUNTY.
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IS THIS SHOWS YOU OUR CALCULATED REBATE AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE JUNE BILL AND THE SIZE OF THAT, UH, THE PAR AND THAT GRAPH IS HOW MANY VEHICLES FALL INTO EACH PERCENTAGE RANGE.SO YOU CAN USE THIS JUNE BILL KIND OF AS A PROXY FOR THE DECEMBER BILL SINCE THEY'RE IN THE SAME TAX YEAR.
SO YOU CAN ALSO INTERPRET THIS TO SAY THAT, UH, THAT PERCENTAGE ALONG THE BOTTOM OF THE CHART IS THE PERCENTAGE REBATE THAT THEY WILL SEE OR REDUCTION THEY'LL SEE ON THEIR DECEMBER BILL.
AND IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE MORE CLEAR WHEN WE START GOING THROUGH THE EXAMPLES.
DOES IT SAY, I THINK, SO THIS IS SORT OF A PICTURE OF THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE PROGRAM THAT WERE, IT'S INTERESTING, THIS REPRESENTS EVERY VEHICLE IN THE COUNTY THAT WAS ASSESSED AND TAXED IN JUNE.
IF IT'S EXPLAINING THE, THE REAL TOLL WHEN I WAS JUST GETTING TO THAT.
SO THAT PEAK IS AROUND 10 TO 15% OF THE JUNE BILL, AND ACTUALLY THAT REPRESENTS, AND WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO THIS WITH THE EXAMPLES, BUT THAT REPRESENTS SOME OF THOSE CARDS THAT NEIL MENTIONED BEFORE THAT DID NOT HAVE AN INCREASE IN ASSESSMENT.
UM, BUT YOU'LL SEE THAT THEY ARE STILL AFFECTED.
AND SO THEY ARE STILL GOING TO SEE SOME PORTION OF THE REBATE.
UM, YOU'LL ALSO NOTICE THAT I PUT A BIG CIRCLE AROUND THE KIND OF MIDDLE OF THAT GRAPH, UH, THAT REPRESENTS ABOUT 60% OF THE VEHICLES IN THE COUNTY AND THEIR AVERAGE REBATE IS GOING TO BE BETWEEN 25 AND 65%.
SO IT'S PRETTY BROAD REACHING NO BILL RELATIVE TO THEM.
SO BEFORE WE GET INTO SPECIFIC EXAMPLES, I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF THE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO BE USING IN THESE EXAMPLES.
UM, SO THESE ARE THE COMPONENTS THAT MAKE UP THE TYPICAL TAX AND BILL.
UM, YOU'VE GOT THE ASSESSED VALUE, WHICH EVERYBODY'S WELL AWARE OF.
THAT'S THE NADH VALUE ON JANUARY 1ST AND THEN THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE APPLIES THE TAX RATE TO THAT ASSESSED VALUE TO COME UP WITH A GROSS TAX.
SO THAT NEXT LINE IS PPT RA, AND THAT STANDS FOR A PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RELIEF ACT.
AND THAT IS, THAT DROPPED THE AMOUNT ALSO.
UM, SO THAT'S JUST A FIXED AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE GET FROM THE STATE EACH YEAR.
AND THE COMMISSIONER APPLIES THAT AT A RATE TO THE FIRST $20,000 OF ELIGIBLE VEHICLES ASSESSED VALUES, AND YOU'RE CORRECT, IT WAS A 48.5% REDUCTION LAST YEAR IN 2021 CALENDAR YEAR 2022, IT WAS ONLY 40.5%.
SO IT SOUNDS TO BE ABOUT CARS AND THAT'S MORE CARS AND HIGHER.
THERE WAS A LIMITATION THAT THE STATE ALLOWED FOR ALL CARS IN THAT SPACE.
THE DOLLAR MIGHT REMAIN FOR THE STATE REMAINED THE SAME.
IT HAS TO BE DISTRIBUTED ACROSS BORDERS.
AND SO, UM, IN THE END, UH, WE FOCUSED ON BOTH OF THOSE FACTORS.
WE FOCUSED ON THE GROSS TAX AS A RESULT OF THE INCREASE IN THE ASSESSMENTS, AS WELL AS THE DROP IN TAX RELIEF BECAUSE OF THAT LOWER APPLICATION RATE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO THE REAL WORLD EXAMPLES, AND YOU'LL NOTICE UP IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER, I KIND OF REFER BACK TO THAT CHART.
WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT THIS SHOWS YOU THE DARK BLUE SHOWS YOU WHAT RANGE IN THAT CHART WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
UM, SO APPROXIMATELY 3% OF THESE VEHICLES ARE NOT GOING TO RECEIVE ANY REBATE.
UM, THE REASON FOR THAT IS, AS WE GET INTO THE COMPARISON BETWEEN THE DECEMBER AND JUNE BILL, YOU CAN SEE THIS FORD ECONOMY LINE WAS ASSESSED AT 17,003 20 IN DECEMBER.
IT WENT DOWN TO 15, 5 90 IN JUNE.
AND AS A RESULT, THE GROSS TAX DECREASED, AND THIS WAS NOT A VEHICLE THAT WAS ELIGIBLE FOR PPT RA.
SO THERE WAS ZERO PPT RA APPLIED IN THE FIRST PLACE BECAUSE CORRECT.
SO IN THIS INSTANCE, BOTH OF THE TWO COMPONENTS WE'RE CONSIDERING FOR THE REBATE CALCULATE THE ZERO AND THERE'S NO REBATE.
UH, I'LL SKIP OVER THE VALUATIONS AND JUST SHOW THAT THIS ALSO DECREASED BY $1,295, SO THAT A RESULTANT DECREASE IN THE GROSS TAX AND ALSO WAS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR PPT RA.
AND SO THERE WAS THREE DAYS ASSESSED OR NO REBATE CALCULATED FOR THAT.
AND EVEN THOUGH THESE DON'T RECEIVE A REBATE, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO POINT OUT IT'S ONLY
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3% OF THE VEHICLES IN THE COUNTY, BUT ALSO THESE ARE VEHICLES ACTUALLY SAW THEIR BILLS GO DOWN.SO WE STILL BELIEVE THAT THAT'S PART OF THIS EQUITABLE SOLUTION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO NOW WE'RE MOVING INTO THAT BIG SPIKE AREA ON THE GRAPH THAT 10 TO 15% RANGE, THESE WILL BE INTERESTING.
AND, UM, THESE REPRESENTED ABOUT 25% OF THE VEHICLES IN THE COUNTY.
AND MANY OF THESE, IF WE ONLY USE ONE FACTOR IN THIS FORMULA WOULD NOT HAVE RECEIVED ANY REBATE AT ALL.
THE TOYOTA CRUISER, THE FJ CRUISER WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND DECEMBER OF 21 WAS ASSESSED AT $10,650 WENT DOWN SLIGHTLY TO $10,525.
SO IT SAW A REDUCTION IN THE ASSESSMENT AND A REDUCTION IN ITS GROSS TAX.
HOWEVER, BECAUSE THE PPT RA WAS APPLIED AT A LOWER RATE.
THEY ALSO GOT A SMALLER CREDIT, WHICH ACTUALLY LED TO THEIR TAX BILL GOING UP FROM A HUNDRED, 970 TO A HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE, TWENTY FIVE.
SO EVEN THOUGH THEIR ASSESSMENT WENT DOWN, THEY STILL GOT A HIGHER TAX BILL.
AND SO BY USING THIS PPT RA COMPONENT IN THIS FORMULA, WE ADDRESS THAT ISSUE AND CORRECT FOR THAT AMOUNT, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NO COMPONENT CALCULATED FOR AN INCREASE IN ASSESSMENT.
SO, SO STATED IN THE VERY SIMPLE WAY, THERE'S WENT UP A LITTLE BIT.
AND SO IT'S GOING TO GO DOWN AND WE'LL GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT, AND YOU CAN SEE THE NET REBATE IS ABOUT $17 ON AN INCREASE OF $16.
SO THEIR DECEMBER ESTIMATED BILL SHOULD BE ROUGHLY IN LINE WITH WHAT LAST DECEMBER WE HAVE, HOW MANY, UH, NOT CARS, BUT CAR OWNERS IN THE COUNTY.
WE DID NOT HAVE HOW MANY WHAT KIND OF LEADS YOU? THE QUESTION, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO EXPLAIN THAT TO THE TAX PAYING CITIZEN WHO OWNS A CAR IN YOUR COUNTY WITHOUT THERE BEING SOME KIND OF REVOLUTION? YOU KNOW, UH, YOU GOT, I MEAN, SIGN, THAT'S GOING TO EXPLAIN THIS.
OR MY POINT IS, IT'S GOT TO BE EXPLAINED IN LAYMAN'S TERMS LAYMAN'S TERMS FOR FRANKLY I'M SURE.
SO ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE, WHAT WE DID IN LAYMAN'S TERMS IS APPLY LAST YEAR'S PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RELIEF RATE TO THE NEW ASSESSMENT.
SO WE USED 40, 48 AND A HALF INSTEAD OF 40 AND A HALF IN THIS CALCULATION.
THIS IS A FAIRLY, PROBABLY THE EASIER OF THE CALCULATIONS.
SO A COUPLE OF THINGS, A COUPLE OF THINGS, FIRST OF ALL, FOR MOST PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE BILL FOR DECEMBER.
AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IS THEY'RE GOING TO COMPARE IT TO THE BILL AND JANE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO SEE WHAT THEIR BENEFIT WAS.
AND SO WE BELIEVE THAT A VERY LARGE PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO, THEY DID RIGHT BY US.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT IS MY BELIEF.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WILL HAPPEN FOR MOST PEOPLE.
WELL, I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, WE GOT TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU ALL.
AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF DETAIL.
SO TOMORROW, UH, WE WILL PUT ALL OF THESE SLIDES UP ON THE WEBSITE, STEP ONE.
AND, UH, THERE IS A TEAM INCLUDING, UH, UH, GREG AND THERESA AND, UH, CANDICE AND THE TREASURER'S OFFICE AND PAULA THAT, YOU KNOW, ASSUMING YOU ALL SAY, GO FORTH AND DO THIS, THAT WE WILL HAVE BASICALLY THE NEXT 90 DAYS TO WORK OUT THE BEST WAY TO MESSAGE IT TO YOUR QUESTION, BECAUSE THERE THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT IT'S NOT SIMPLE AND CLEAN.
I MEAN, THE CLEANEST SIMPLEST THING CAN SAY IS WE CAME UP WITH A FORMULA SO THAT IF YOUR BILL SPIKED A LOT, IT'S GOING TO GO DOWN A LOT.
AND IF YOUR BILL JUST WENT UP A LITTLE BIT, IT'S GOING TO GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
THAT'S THAT'S THE ONLY BROAD GENERALIZATION I CAN THINK OF PAUL'S TEAM IS GOING TO MAKE A GREAT LITTLE VIDEO.
WE'RE SHOWING YOU, INTERRUPT YOU PLEASE.
BEFORE WE GET TO FATHER, DON'T CALL US OVER THE POINT THAT THE COUNTY IS CHIPPING IN TO MAKE UP FOR THAT DIFFERENCE IN THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX PERCENTAGE, DECREASE WE'RE CHIPPING IN THAT 8.8 AND A HALF PERCENT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN LOST.
SO, AND BY DOING THAT A MUCH LARGER PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE GET AT LEAST A SMALL REDUCTION, RIGHT? SO AGAIN, THERE'S
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A SECOND EXAMPLE HERE.UM, BUT YOU'LL SEE, IT'S A VERY SIMILAR SITUATION TO THE MOVE.
THE ASSESSMENT WENT DOWN, THE GROSS TAX ACCORDINGLY WENT DOWN, THE PPT RA CREDIT ALSO WENT DOWN.
AND SO THERE WAS A $20 INCREASE IN THIS VEHICLES, BILL, WHICH IS GOING TO BE MORE THAN OFFSET BY THE $32 CREDIT FOR THE PPT RA THE REBATE.
UM, SO THIS LAST GROUP IS KIND OF THE REST OF THE COUNTY.
AND THESE ARE YOUR MORE TYPICAL OWNERS, UH, AS MISS KNOLL REFERRED TO EARLIER, THIS IS THE DOUBLE WHAMMY.
THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT SAW AN INCREASE IN THEIR ASSESSMENT AND A DECREASE IN THE CPT ERA.
AND THERE WERE SOME PRETTY WILD FLUCTUATIONS IN THEIR BILLS.
AND ACTUALLY THIS FIRST ONE IS A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT.
IT'S A KIA SORENTO THAT ASSESSED FOR 18,600 IN CALENDAR YEAR 21 WENT UP TO 25 POUNDS AND 400 FOR THE JUNE BILL IN 22.
THE NET IMPACT ON THEIR TAX WAS $154 INCREASE ON WHAT WAS A $190 BILL.
UM, AND WHEN WE DO THE MATH ON THESE TWO FACTORS, WE END UP WITH A TOTAL REBATE OF $173.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE SLIGHTLY MORE THAN OFFSETTING THAT INCREASE IN THIS BILL.
UM, SIMILARLY WITH THE CHEVY SILVERADO, IT WENT UP FROM 22,000 8, 75 TO 25,000 4, 25.
SO A SMALLER INCREASE, UM, BUT STILL ALSO HAD THE NEGATIVE IMPACT FROM THE PPT RA AND THEIR BILL WENT UP $83.
AND WHEN WE RUN THROUGH THE CALCULATION FOR THIS ONE, WE GET ABOUT AN $85 CREDIT THAT ONCE AGAIN PUTS THEIR DECEMBER BILL BACK IN THE SAME ROUGH AREAS, THAT LAST BILL.
SO EXCUSE ME, BUT TO WALT'S QUESTION ABOUT HOW TO EXPLAIN THIS.
I MEAN, THERE IS NO GOOD WAY, BUT I THINK FOR MOST PEOPLE THEY GET THEIR DECEMBER BILL 30 LOOK AT WHAT IS THIS BILL? WHAT WAS MY JUNE BILL AND WHAT WAS THE LAST DECEMBER'S BILLS? AND SO THEY'D BE LOOKING AT THOSE THREE NUMBERS.
LAST DECEMBER, I PAID 263 JUNE, I PAID 346 AND NOW I'M PAYING 2 61.
THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CRITICAL.
AND THAT MAY BE THE WAY THAT YOU EXPLAINED TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE BILL CURRENT BILL, WHICH YOU PAID IN JUNE, WHICH PLAYED IN THE SUMMER, AND THEN EVERYBODY COULD SEE THE DELTA RIGHT THERE.
THERE'S A BUNCH OF SOFTWARE ISSUES ABOUT CHANGING THE BILL.
BUT YEAH, SO THOSE VALUES CAME OUT OF THE DAYLA THE BOOK, YEAH.
BUT THESE ARE ACTUAL, THESE ARE ACTUAL CARS IN THE COUNTY.
NO, THESE ARE ACTUAL EXAMPLES AND THE NATIVE VALUES AS A ONE.
AND WITH THIS ONE, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GETTING TOO MUCH IN THE WEEDS, BUT THE, THE VALUE OF THOSE TWO VEHICLES ENDED UP BEING ABOUT THE SAME, BUT BECAUSE OF HOW THEY INCREASED, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE REBATE IS DIFFERENT.
AGAIN, THE PRINCIPLE, IF IT WENT UP A LOT, IT COMES DOWN A LOT.
SO TO ME, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
LET'S ASSUME I HAVE A TWO BY 2020 KIA SORRENTO AND I'M A FAIRLY SMART GUY.
MY CAR I BOUGHT LAST YEAR FOR 18 SIX IS NOW WORTH 25, 4.
I'M GOING TO RUN DOWN TO COURT.
AND SO MY CAR TO CAR MAX FOR WHAT, 4 30, 25 18, LET ME THINK.
REMEMBER TOO, THAT, THAT 25, 400 VALUE THAT IS IN ADA, LONE VALLEY, I WOULD IMAGINE CARMAX IS GOING TO GIVE YOU A BETTER RATE THAN THAT.
BECAUSE THE ASSESSOR REALLY TAKES THE LOWEST VALUE YOU CAN OUT OF THAT.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSIONER REPORT I'M GOING TO TAKE YOU WITH ME, STAY MARIA WITH THAT.
I'M GOING TO MOVE ON THE LAST TWO EXAMPLES AGAIN, THESE ARE SIMILAR TO THE ONES WE JUST LOOKED AT, BUT, UH, JUST BECAUSE THIS WAS SUCH A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE VEHICLES, I INCLUDED A COUPLE MORE, UH, WE HAD AN INCREASE, UH, OF ASSESSMENT 49, 50 FOR THE SUBARU FORESTER.
UM, ALSO YOU SEE THAT THE, THE
WE CALCULATED THE REBATE AT A HUNDRED AND THIRTY FOUR SIXTY ONE.
SO AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO MORE THAN OFFSET THE CHANGE FROM THE DECEMBER TO THE JUNE BILL.
AND THEN, UH, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, IS THAT A $4,975 INCREASE
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FOR 17 CHEVY VOLT? UH, THEIR BILL HAD GONE UP $75.THEIR REBATE IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT THEIR BILL WENT UP.
UM, BUT AGAIN, AS, UH, MR. MARTIN REFERRED TO GOES UP A LOT, IT SHOULD COME BACK DOWN A LOT.
IF IT GOES UP A LITTLE, IT SHOULD COME BACK DOWN TO.
AND THE REASON THAT LAST ONE WAS SO EXTREME PROPORTIONALLY WAS BECAUSE IT WAS ALL WITHIN THE T RTA $20,000.
IT WAS, YES, THESE OTHER VEHICLES ARE IN EXCESS OF THE 20,000 PPT RA.
AND SO THEY'VE MAXED OUT THAT CREDIT AT A HUNDRED NINETY FOUR, A HUNDRED AND SIXTY TWO, DEPENDING ON WHAT YEAR YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
SO YES, THERE WAS A, UH, LESS OF AN IMPACT ON THIS VEHICLE BECAUSE IT WAS BELOW THE $20,000 LIMIT.
UM, SO WE'RE DOWN TO NEXT STEPS.
AND I THINK MR. MORGAN COVERED A LOT OF THESE, BUT, UH, WE HAVE SCHEDULED PUBLIC HEARING FOR TWO WEEKS FROM TONIGHT IS REQUIRED FOR THE ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS US TO DO THIS REBATE.
UH, THERE ARE SOME SOFTWARE MECHANICAL ISSUES WE HAVE TO GET THROUGH.
WE HAVE TO UPLOAD SOME SAMPLE FILES AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING RUNS THE WAY WE EXPECT IT TO, UH, BEFORE WE DO IT WITH THE LIVE DATA IN SEPTEMBER, UH, WE ARE STILL COLLECTING REVENUE THROUGH AUGUST 15TH.
AND SO WE WON'T BE ABLE TO MAKE OUR FINAL DETERMINATION UNTIL THEN, BUT WE WON'T EXPECT IT TO CHANGE BY ANY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT.
AND THEN WE JUST HAVE TO PERFORM THE FINAL CALCULATIONS AND UPLOAD THOSE TO THE LIVE SOFTWARE BUILDS OUT.
THE RITA HAD SUGGESTED 30, THERE WERE 30 PARTS SHIPPED, UH, EXAMPLES.
DO WE KNOW THAT THE RESULT OF THE, THE 30 THAT SUCCESSFULLY APPLIED AND GOT THE GRANT? I THINK JUST, ALMOST ALL OF IT, A PLAID OVER SUCCESSFUL IS THAT TO THE COUNTY OR TO THE COMMISSION? UH, WELL, THE, UM, THE APPLICATION PROCESS ACTUALLY ENDED UP GOING THROUGH OUR HOUSING OFFICE HOUSING, AND THEN THEY COORDINATED BACK WITH THE TREASURER WHO ACTUALLY HAS TO DEAL WITH THE BILL.
I WAS GOING TO MENTION IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE TREASURER MODIFIED THE PENALTY AND, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH US ON THE, UH, HARDSHIP PROGRAM BASED ON OUR VERBAL DIRECTION THAT Y'ALL WANTED US TO DO IT.
BUT WHEN WE DO THIS ORDINANCE FOR THIS OTHER THING, WE'RE GOING TO RETROACTIVELY, YOU KNOW, APPROVE THAT AS WELL.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO OFFICIALLY ENDORSE WHAT YOU ALREADY TOLD US TO DO FOR THE HARDSHIP AND THE 2% PENALTY.
WELL, I W I DO HAVE IT, IT GOES BACK TO THE CONVERSATION WE HIT THE MONTH AGO.
UH, I'M SURE YOU ALL BEING THE SAME CORRESPONDENCE I'M GETTING FROM CONSTITUENTS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF SMART PEOPLE OUT THERE.
OBVIOUSLY I GOT MORE THAN ONE LETTER, UH, OR THE CONSTITUENT.
IT SAYS, HEY, HERE ARE THE NAMES OF THE HALF, A DOZEN MUNICIPALITIES THAT THEY GAVE THE ENTIRE TAX BACK TO THE TAX PAYER.
AND I'M SCRATCHING MY HEAD SAYING, UH, EITHER THEY'RE KIND OF, THEY DON'T HAVE SMART PEOPLE, LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE, WHO CAN'T DO THE CALCULUS THAT YOU'VE DONE.
BUT, UH, AND I HEARD THE SAME THING OUR CONVERSATION HAD TO DO WITH HENRICO COUNTY, WHICH IS PROBABLY TWICE OR THREE TIMES THE SIZE OF YOUR COUNTY.
NOW, DO YOU ONLY FIND THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN DO THAT? I WOULD THINK IS IF THEIR OVERALL RESERVERS ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT.
BUT SO THE SAME LOGIC, WHY WAS THAT A, ANY CONSIDERATION FROM YOUR COUNTIES? SO AUGUST STAFF.
SO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU WERE WATCHING HENRICO.
I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY LOCALITY THAT COMPLETELY, UH, DID NOT COLLECT IT.
I THINK MOST OF THEM DID SOME PERCENTAGE ON THE FRONT END, WHICH WE DID NOT, OF COURSE THE PROBLEM WITH THAT.
AND IT RANGED FROM 10% AND PER COSOM 30% IN JAMES CITY COUNTY.
I SAW 15 AND 20 IN OTHER PLACES.
THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS WHEN YOU SAW HOW THAT THE EFFECT VARIED SO MUCH.
SO, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE GOT A, A CUT THAT HAD NO IMPACT AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAD A BIG IMPACT JUST GOT A LITTLE CUT, BUT HENRICO DID IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A COMMISSIONER AND A TREASURER.
SO THEIR WHOLE, UH, SYSTEM IS UNDER THEIR FINANCE DIRECTOR AND THEIR COUNTY EXECUTIVE.
SO THEY MAY HAVE HAD A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENT PROCESS THAN, THAN WE HAD, BUT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NOBODY GAVE EVERYTHING BACK.
WHAT WE CHARGE IS SO MUCH LESS THAN A LOT OF PEOPLE CHARGE PRESENTED THIS 4%.
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WELL, I MEAN, THAT, THAT VARIES.I MEAN, WE'RE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE, ON THE RATE FOR, FOR PERSONAL PROPERTY, THERE'S SOME HIGHER AND SOME LOWER, BUT, YOU KNOW, REAL, I MEAN THE SINGLE LARGEST TAX YOU COLLECT FROM CITIZENS IS THE REAL ESTATE TAX.
AND, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST ONE OF THE LETTERS I SAW, YOU KNOW, LISTED ALL THESE LOCALITIES THAT DID ALL THIS GOOD STUFF ON PERSONAL PROPERTY, RIGHT.
BUT ONE HAVE A REAL ESTATE RATE FAR HIGHER THAN OURS.
I MEAN, SO FOR EXAMPLE, UH, HENRICO IS, UM, 85 CENTS.
THEIR REAL ESTATE RATE IS 7 CENTS HIGHER THAN OURS.
UH, YOU KNOW, HAMPTON REAL ESTATE, YOUR REAL ESTATE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WHATEVER WE DO ON PERSONAL PROPERTY, I THINK HAS TO BE, TO BE TO JUDGE IS FAIRLY, HAS TO BE DONE IN THE CONTEXT OF REAL ESTATE AND ALL THE SUBURBAN SIGNIFICANT SIZE COUNTIES IN VIRGINIA.
WE HAVE PROBABLY THE LOWEST TAX REAL ESTATE TAX RATES HAS TO BE PART OF YOUR EXPLANATION TO THE CITIZENS OUT THERE AS TO WHY I CAN TRY IT OUT.
THAT'S THAT BAR GRAPH ANYTIME.
ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS YOU ALL HAVE STARS IN YOUR CROWD FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE TO DO THIS? I THINK THAT YOU'VE DONE A TERRIFIC JOB.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR DOING IT.
DID YOU ENJOY DOING, AND ALSO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE COLLABORATION EFFORT? IT WASN'T JUST COUNTY STAFF.
YOU HAD TO PULL IN THE TREASURER'S OFFICE, YOU HAD TO PULL IN THE COMMISSIONER REVENUES OFFICE.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS WORKING AS A LARGE COUNTY TEAM TO, TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T DO IT.
YOU COULDN'T DO IT ANY ONE OF THEM COULDN'T COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT IN A VACUUM.
SO I APPRECIATE THEIR, THEIR, THEIR TEAM JUMPING IN AND HELPING US.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE VERY PROUD OF THAT.
I'M SURE WE ALL THOUGHT IT WAS THE FACT THAT THE THINGS THAT GO ON IN THE COUNTY ARE A TEAM EFFORT.
IT'S NOT JUST ONE GROUP DOING IT, BUT WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER.
PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHAT? WELL, I THINK, ESPECIALLY FROM THE FIRST TWO AGENDA ITEMS TONIGHT, THAT DOESN'T SHOW TEAM EFFORT BETWEEN THE SYSTEMS OF THE COUNTY AND COUNTY STAFF.
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NOW WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR.I REMEMBER, I DIDN'T KNOW, BEFORE HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN UPDATED ADOPTION, AND NUMBER FIVE IS A CIRCUIT COURT RECORDS, PRESERVATION GRANT FUNDS.
DOES ANYBODY WISH TO PULL ANYTHING THAT I'VE MENTIONED? CONSENT CALENDAR.
MOTION MADE BY MR. GREEN IS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED MR. ZAREMBA, MR. GREEN, MR. ROWAN, MRS. NO MOTION CARRIES.
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ANYBODY HAVE ANY THING THEY WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS REAL QUICK, REAL QUICK.THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY QUICK.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX ON THE CARS AND THE REBATE.
I'VE TALKED TO AT LEAST 70 FOLKS VARYING THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
THIS IS YOUR CHANCE COMING UP ON THE MEETING ON AUGUST 16 TO COME HAVE YOUR VOICE HEARD, WRITE US, EMAIL US, CALL US, TALK TO US.
UH, THIS SEEMS LIKE A VERY COMPLICATED PLAN.
I WOULD HAVE CHOSEN A VERY SIMPLE, MUCH SIMPLER, BUT HEY, I, I THINK IT'S A GOOD PLAN AND IT GIVES RELIEF AND A SUBSTANTIAL, A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF RETURN OF MONEY.
SO, UH, I'M INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY HAVE TO SAY.
SO WE'LL SEE YOU ON AUGUST 16TH.
THAT'S LITERALLY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING, MR.
THIS IS THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER OR THEIR ROUTES A SCHOOL STARTS WHEN A WEEK BEFORE LABOR DAY, I THINK.
UM, WE HAD A GOVERNOR WHO RAN ON, DON'T SEE OUR TEA IN THE SCHOOLS, NO SOCIAL, EMOTIONAL LEARNING, NO, UH, CULTURAL COMPETENCE AND ALL THAT STUFF ASSOCIATED WITH CRT.
UM, I'D LIKE YOU TO TALK TO US TO THE SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT AND GET HIS FEEL BOSS, MAN AGAINST BOSTON, MAN.
AS TO HAVE THEY PURGED THEIR CURRICULUM OF THOSE
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SUBJECTS, TO WHICH THE GOVERNOR RAN ON.AND MR. TURREY THE OPPOSITION WALTZED ON.
WELL, PART OF THAT, WHEN YOU SAID PARENTS HAD NO RECORD OF INVOLVEMENT, BUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, I LIKED TRUE BOARDS AND THEY SAID, THIS IS A PIECE OF PAPER.
WE USED TO MEET, WE USED TO HAVE JOINT MEETINGS, UH, AND IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, PROGRESSES VERSUS CONSERVATIVES.
IT WAS THE ATTEMPT TO HAVE YOUR COUNTY BE THE BEST COUNTY IN VIRGINIA AND MAYBE THE COUNTRY AND THAT DROPPED OFF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE WE'D BECOME AT ODDS WITH EACH OTHER, TO WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE ATTEMPT TO DO ME ON DIRT ROAD LAST YEAR.
BUT I KNOW YOU TALKED TO SH YOU TALKED TO VIC ALL THE TIME AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL HEARING ACROSS THE MEDIA, YOU KNOW, THE ONLINE MEDIA THAT CRT IS STILL RAPID ACROSS THE COUNTRY, ESPECIALLY IN BLUESTEPS, BUT YOU KNOW, INTERESTING.
AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE TENTATIVELY TALKED ABOUT HAVING A CHAIR VICE-CHAIR MEETING LATER IN THE FALL, AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF SCHEDULING THAT, UM, NOTHING FURTHER.
UH, THE NEXT MEETING OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL BE 6:00 PM, TUESDAY, AUGUST 16TH IN THE BOARDROOM UPSTAIRS UNTIL THEN.
THOSE WHO ARE WATCHING FOR WATCHING IN THE