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          [1. Call to Order]
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          AND CALL TO ORDER THE NORTH COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION, REGULAR MEETING FOR JUNE 8TH, 2022. 
          THE CODE OF VIRGINIA REQUIRES LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          THE PURPOSE OF WHICH IS TO ADVISE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON LAND USE AND PLANNING ISSUES AFFECTING THE COUNTY. 
          THE RESPONSIBILITIES IS EXERCISE. 
          YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS CONVEY BY RESOLUTIONS OR OTHER PUBLIC OFFICIAL MEANS AND ALL ARE MATTERS OF PUBLIC RECORD. 
          THE COMMISSION IS COMPRISED OF CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS APPOINTED BY THE BOARD REPRESENTING EACH VOTING DISTRICT AND TWO AT LARGE MEMBERS. 
          MS. TARTER BEANIE, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? MR. HALL, ROY. 
          MR. TITUS HERE, MS. TOLEDO HERE, MR. KING, MR. CRINER, MR. SMITH. 
          MR. PETERMAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE THANK YOU. 
          MAYBE STAND FOR PLEDGED LATENTS PLEASE. 
           STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          THANK YOU, PLEASE BE SEATED. 
          UH, THE 
          [4. Approve Minutes – May 11, 2022]
COMMISSION MEMBERS HAD A CHANCE TO READ THE MINUTES FROM MAY 11TH. 
          OKAY. 
          DO I HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES? UH, MOVE. 
          WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN THE MOTION BY MINSTER CRINER IS TO ADAPT THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING ON MAY 11TH, 2020 TO MS. LEDA. 
          MS. LEE DUMB. 
          YES. 
          MR. KING HAVE TO ABSTAIN. 
          I WAS NOT AT THE MEETING. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CRINER. 
          YES. 
          MR. SMITH. 
          I AM SAYING AS WELL, NOT AT THE MEETING, MR. PETERMAN. 
          YES. 
          MR. TY DESK. 
          YES, THE MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, BEFORE I HIT THE CITIZENS COMMENTS, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE, UH, JACOB, WHO'S AN INTERN WITH THE STAFF ON THE, AT THE PLANNING STAFF HERE. 
          AND SO HE'S BE WITH US FOR THE SUMMER. 
          OKAY. 
          WELCOME HOME. 
          NOW, THE 
          [5. Citizen Comments]
POINT WE HAVE CITIZENS COMMENTS, IF THERE'S ANY AUDIO OUT THERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON ANYTHING AT ALL, UH, THE ONLY CAVEAT IS, CAN NOT BE ON THE AGENDA. 
          WE'LL GET THE, ALL THE AGENDA ITEMS IN A MINUTE, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING YOU CAN JUST TALK ABOUT, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO BRING UP. 
          WELL, SEEING NONE WE'LL MOVE ON 
          [Application No. UP-989-22, SHJ Construction Group]
TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          AND UP FIRST IS APPLICATION NUMBER UPP 9 8 9 DASH 22. 
          MR. ANDERSON. 
          ALL RIGHT, GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, THIS APPLICATION IS UPC 9 8 9 8 9 DASH 22 4 S H J CONSTRUCTION OR TIDAL WAVE AUTO SPA, UH, TO BE LOW PROPOSED, TO BE LOCATED AT 5, 4 41, GEORGE WASHINGTON, MAURA HIGHWAY, ROUTE 17. 
          UH, THIS IS THE, UH, ZONING OF THE PROPERTY. 
          YOU CAN SEE IT'S OUTLINED IN BLUE. 
          UH, IT'S A VERY LARGE TWO ACRE, UH, 2.3 OR SORRY, 2.1 ACRE PARCEL TOTAL. 
          UM, IT'S, UH, SURROUNDED, UH, TO THE, UH, WEST EAST AND, AND SOUTH, UH, BY GENERAL BUSINESS, UH, ZONING. 
          AND THEN TO THE OTHER SIDE, WE HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY, WHICH IS MART TOWNHOMES AT MARTIN FARMS AND THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS RAIN BOOK VILLAS, UH, WHICH YOU CAN SEE THERE IN THE KIND OF LIGHT GRAY, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, DESIGNATES THIS AREA WITH A MIXED USE OVERLAY. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE THAT LARGE OVAL OF HASHED AREA, WHICH ENCOMPASSES THE GRAFTON AREA. 
          UH, THE PROPERTY IS, UM, DESIGNATED FOR GENERAL BUSINESS USE WITHIN THE COMP PLAN, UH, WHICH HAS OUTLINED THE PROPERTY IS OUTLINED IN BLUE. 
          AGAIN, THEY'RE NEAR, UH, ABOUT THREE QUARTERS DOWN THE PAGE. 
          UH, BUT WE DID WANT TO SHOW THAT, UH, THIS AREA IS, UH, DESIGNATED IN THE COMP PLAN. 
          AND I'LL GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE HERE IN A MINUTE. 
          UH, THE PROPERTY IS SHOWN HERE IN THIS AREA, UH, IS UNDEVELOPED CURRENTLY. 
          UH, WE HAVE THE PELICAN SNOWBALL ACROSS MARTIN FARM ROAD, AND THEN ACROSS ROUTE 17, WE HAVE THE RITE AID AND, UH, GRAFTON BAPTIST CHURCH, UH, THEN TO 
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THE SOUTH, WE HAVE THE TPMG GRAFTON FAMILY MEDICAL COMPLEX, AND THEN TO THE WEST RAINBOW VILLA. 
          AND THEN THE, UM, TOWNS AT MARTIN FARM. 
          I WILL NOTE, UH, THAT THERE IS THE TPMG PROPERTY DOES HAVE A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, POINT THAT GOES INTO THIS AREA, WHICH KIND OF KEEPS IT FROM ABUTTING, THE FULL AREA FOR RAINBOW VILLAS. 
          UM, AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT AND HOW, WHAT THAT IMPACT IS HERE IN A MINUTE. 
          UH, THIS IS THE PROPERTY FROM ROUTE 17. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE INTERSECTION WITH MARTIN FARM ROAD DOWN HERE. 
          YOU CAN SEE PELICAN SNOWBALL IN THE BACK. 
          UH, JUST HAS A LITTLE BIT OF FORESTED AREA ON IT. 
          NOW, UH, THIS IS STANDING AT THE INTERSECTION OF MARTIN FARM GAT GRAFT AND DRIVE, UH, TOWNSEND MARTIN FARM, OR ON MY RIGHT-HAND SIDE, PELICAN IS BY, ON BEHIND ME ON MY LEFT. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THIS AS JUST THE PROPERTY. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE TPMG BUILDING THROUGH THE WOODED AREA THERE. 
          UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES DESIGNATE THIS, UM, GRAFTON DRIVE AREA, UH, AS A KIND OF A MIXED USE. 
          IT HAS A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT LAND USES WITHIN IT. 
          UH, RESIDENTIAL SCHOOLS, RETAIL OFFICES, ALL IN A MIXED KIND OF AREA, UH, ALONG WITH HIGH DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL IN THE RAINBOW VILLAS AND THE MARTIN FARMS AS WELL AS TWO OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, FURTHER UP GRAFTON DRIVE. 
          UH, SO WE, WE FEEL LIKE THIS AREA, UH, THE COMP PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREAS FOR A MIX OF COMMERCIAL AND HIGH DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL THAT'S ALL CLOSE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER IN A RELATIVELY COMPACT AREA, WHICH CREATES A POTENTIAL FOR A PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED MIXED USE KIND OF VILLAGE ACTIVITY CENTER. 
          UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT AREA IS KIND OF DEVELOPING IN THAT WAY. 
          UM, IT'S A LITTLE UNDEVELOPED UNDERDEVELOPED AT THIS TIME, BUT AS DEVELOPMENT COMES IN, UH, THE HOPE IS THAT IT WOULD BE MORE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED, UM, IN THAT WAY. 
          UH, THIS IS THE SKETCH PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED. 
          UH, THEY WANT TO SPLIT THE PROPERTY INTO TWO PIECES. 
          THE RED BEING WHAT'S UNDER APPLICATION TONIGHT FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE CARWASH AND THE YELLOW BEING THE REMAINING PARCEL OF ABOUT 0.19 ACRE. 
          UM, THEY'RE OUT OF IT. 
          UM, THEY PLANNED TO PUT A 30 FOOT WIDE ACCESS ROAD DOWN THE MIDDLE, SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE THOSE, THE RED AND YELLOW LINE COMES TOGETHER. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE THE ACCESS ROAD WOULD GO THROUGH. 
          UH, THEY WOULD BE THE BUILDING CARWASH BUILDING ABOUT 3,500 SQUARE FEET OF AREA WITH 120 FOOT TUNNEL CARWASH. 
          AND THEN THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE, UH, MULTIPLE, UH, VACUUM STATIONS, A DUMPSTER PAD, AND FOUR PARKING SPACES FOR EMPLOYEES DIRECTLY OFF THAT ACCESS ROAD. 
          EXCUSE ME, ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT'S COMMUNITY IMPACT ASSESSMENT CUSTOMERS WOULD REMAIN IN THEIR VEHICLES WHILE THEY GO THROUGH THE CARWASH. 
          UM, THEN AFTERWARDS THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPTION OF USING EITHER ONE OF THE 15 CANOPY VACUUM SPACES OR ONE OF THE EIGHT THAT'S OUT IN THE OPEN VACUUM SPACES. 
          THERE WOULD BE ABOUT TWO TO FOUR EMPLOYEES ONSITE AT ONE TIME. 
          UM, THE, THEY WOULD BASICALLY BE GUIDING CUSTOMERS ONTO THE CONVEYOR SYSTEM, WHICH LEADS THEM THROUGH THE TUNNEL AND KEEPING THE PREMISES CLEAN HOURS OF OPERATION WOULD BE 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. 
          THEY WOULD HAVE SOME OCCASIONAL EXTENDED HOURS IN SUMMER, WHICH KIND OF MAKES SENSE WITH SUN BEING OUT. 
          THEY WANT TO STAY OPEN A LITTLE LATER. 
          THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR CAR WASHES, UM, REQUIRE THAT THEY USE A LOW VOLUME WATER RECYCLING SYSTEM, WHICH PROVIDES FOR AN AVERAGE OF AT LEAST 80% RECYCLED WATER PER WASH. 
          THE APPLICANTS HAVE SUBMITTED THEIR ENGINEERING ANALYSIS OF THEIR SYSTEM, WHICH RECYCLES 81% OF THE WATER. 
          UM, THE REST OF THE WATER WOULD THEN GO INTO THE SEWER OR THE STORM DRAIN THAT HASN'T BEEN, UM, THAT WON'T COME ABOUT UNTIL THEY GET INTO THEIR ENGINEERING PHASES. 
          UH, THE PROPERTY IS WHOLLY LOCATED WITHIN THE ROUTE 17 CORRIDOR. 
          UH, THIS CORRIDOR IS A SPECIAL CORRIDOR, UH, OVERLAY THAT WAS CREATED TO PROVIDE SPECIAL ARCHITECTURAL AND DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, INTENDED TO PROTECT THE AESTHETIC AND VISUAL CHARACTER OF THE ROUTE 17 QUARTER, ESPECIALLY LIMIT LEADING TO THE YORKTOWN HISTORIC AREA. 
          THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT THESE, UM, BUILDING ELEVATIONS THAT ARE ON THE SCREEN NOW, AND A COUPLE OF PHOTOGRAPHS, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU DEPICTING WHAT THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE WILL LOOK LIKE. 
          UH, YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE USING A MIX OF GLASS, WHICH WOULD BE ALONG THE MARTIN FARM ROAD SIDE. 
          SO YOU'D BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH, UH, SEE THE EQUIPMENT, SEE THE CARS GOING THROUGH THE GLASS. 
          AND THEN THERE'S ALSO STONE IFAS, THE NEAR AND SPLIT FACE BLOCK. 
          UH, THIS IS A PHOTO OF ANOTHER STORE THAT THEY HAVE, WHICH SHOWS THE SIMILAR MATERIALS THAT THEY WOULD USE ON THIS SITE. 
          UM, THE PROPOSED 
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BUILDING AND SIGNAGE MATERIALS AND THE COLORS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ALL MEET THE CORRIDOR STANDARDS. 
          UH, THE SUN, THE TUNNEL SIDE OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR BREAKING UP FACADES. 
          YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE VERY LONG FACADES THAT ARE JUST BLANK WALL SPACE. 
          UM, AND THEY DO THAT VERY WELL WITH THE VARIETY OF, UH, ROOF STYLE BREAKUPS, AS LONG AS WELL AS PLAYING DIFFERENT PLAINS, ALONG WITH THE GLASS AND THE, AND THE ROCK. 
          IN ADDITION, THE CORRIDOR PROVISION STATE THAT CANOPIES WITHIN THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS MUST BE INTEGRALLY RELATED TO THE OVERALL BUILDING DESIGN BY USING THE SAME OR COMPLIMENTARY ROOF FORMS, MATERIALS, COLORS, AND ARCHITECTURAL TREATMENTS. 
          THE PROPOSED CANOPIES, WHICH YOU SEE HERE ARE MADE OF METAL. 
          THERE HAVE ROUNDED BLOCKY KIND OF STYLE, UH, CANOPY. 
          IT IS THE SAME COLOR. 
          IT IS THE SAME TYPE OF MATERIAL, UH, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY MESH WELL WITH THE NICE METAL GABLE, GABLES AND ROOFS THAT THE TUNNEL AND THE REGULAR BUILDING HAS. 
          SO WE DON'T FEEL THAT'S VERY COMPLIMENTARY AND STYLE TO IT, AND IT DOESN'T INTEGRALLY RELATE TOGETHER TO THEM. 
          ADDITIONALLY, THE PROPOSED, UH, PLAN SHOWS A SIX-FOOT BOARD ON BOARD FENCE RUNNING ALONG ROUTES. 
          I'M SORRY, LONG GRAFTON DRIVE OUTSIDE OF THE REQUIRED 25 FOOT, UH, TRANSITIONAL BUFFER. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE IT HERE. 
          I'VE OUTLINED IT HERE IN ORANGE. 
          UM, AND THEN BEYOND THAT AS THE 25 FOOT TRANSITIONAL BUFFER, UH, WE FEEL LIKE THIS SHOULD BE SWITCHED. 
          AND SO WE PUT A CONDITION IN THERE THAT THE FENCE GO ON THE INSIDE OF THE 25 FOOT. 
          SO BASICALLY IF THEY PUT THE FENCE THERE, THEN IT'S JUST BASICALLY LOCKING, BLOCKING ALL THE LANDSCAPING FROM GRAFTON DRIVE. 
          SO WE WANT, WE PUT A CONDITIONER TO FLIP-FLOP IT SO THAT THE FENCE IS ON THE INSIDE OF THE LANDSCAPING SO THAT PEOPLE DRIVING BY WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THE LANDSCAPING RATHER THAN A FENCE. 
          ADDITIONALLY, THEY'RE SHOWING A THREE FOOT BERM WITH A DOUBLE ROW OF EVERGREEN LANDSCAPING, UH, WITH EIGHT, EIGHT FOOT EVERGREEN TREES ALONG THE MARTIN FARM, IT WOULD EXTEND FROM GRAFTON DRIVE ALONG MARTIN FARM AND STOP AT ROUTE 17, UH, TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SCREENING AND THAT AREA FROM THE SIDE. 
          AND THEN ALONG ROUTE 17, THEY'RE PROPOSING SHRUB, MINOR SHRUBS AND DECIDUOUS TREES, UM, LEAVING THE CARWASH TUNNEL PRETTY MUCH EXPOSED TO ROUTE 17 AND PASSER BY TRAPPING. 
          UH, THE SIZE OF THE PARCEL WOULD ALLOW THE REORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING. 
          UM, HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT STRONGLY FAVORS SUBDIVIDING THE PROPERTY TO ALLOW FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PROPERTY. 
          HOWEVER, THERE IS PLENTY OF ROOM IF THEY, YOU KNOW, TO, TO MOVE THE TUNNEL AWAY FROM 17, IF, UH, IF THEY, IF THEY WANTED TO, UH, LAR AND THE CORRIDOR GOES ON TO SAY LARGE WORK BAY DOORS AND OPEN BAYS SHOULD NOT, SHOULD BE AVOIDED OR BUFFERED FROM VIEW FROM ROUTE 17. 
          AND AS I'VE STATED, THEY'RE NOT REALLY DOING THAT HERE. 
          UH, LANDSCAPING IS VERY LIMITED AND THEY'RE USING DECIDUOUS TREES, WHICH LOSE THEIR LEAVES IN THE WINTER TIME. 
          SO THE TUNNEL ENTRANCE FROM 17 WOULD BE VERY VISIBLE. 
          UH, WE HAVE PUT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL IN THERE TO REQUIRE THOSE TREES TO BE EVERGREEN, AND TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF TREES TO GO OUT THERE. 
          IF YOU DECIDED TO, UH, MOVE THIS APPLICATION FORWARD. 
          LASTLY, THE CORRIDOR OVERLAY PROVIDES A COMPROMISE THAT YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT A COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PACKAGE. 
          UH, THE ZONING ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW FREESTANDING MONUMENTS TYPE SIGNS OF 664 SQUARE FEET WHERE THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 10 FEET, UM, THE SIGNS THAT THEY'VE SUBMITTED IN THEIR PACKAGE, UH, MEET THOSE GUIDELINES, UM, FOR THE ONES THAT ARE UNDER 10 FEET. 
          AND, UH, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, THEY'RE VERY, THEY'RE WITHIN THE STYLES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THE CORRIDOR. 
          THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES TRANSITIONAL BUFFERS BETWEEN THE GENERAL BUSINESS AREAS AND RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY AND PLANNED DEVELOPMENT IN BOTH CASES, UH, THE RMF IS 25 FEET TRANSITIONAL BUFFER, AND THE PD IS 35 FEET. 
          UH, THE AFRICANS HAVE SHOWN THAT ON THEIR PLAN AND I'VE HIGHLIGHTED IT HERE CAUSE THEY DO A BUT TOWNS OF MARTIN FARM AND A LITTLE BIT OF THE RAIN BROOKE VILLA AREA. 
          SO THEY ARE, THEY HAVE PROVIDED THAT. 
          BUT AS I STATED BEFORE THAT, UM, TPMG PROPERTY HAS LIKE A POINT THAT GOES BACK ONTO THIS SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, SO THIS OTHER PORTION OF THE GB PROPERTY WOULD NOT HAVE TO HAVE A TRANSITIONAL BUFFER ON IT. 
          UH, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ONE WHERE THEY CONNECT TO, UH, THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. 
          UM, AND THEY ARE SHOWING THAT ON THEIR APPLICATION. 
          AND THEY ALSO NOTED THAT 75% OF THAT BUFFER WOULD EVERGREEN TREES. 
          SO WE WOULD HAVE A YEAR ROUND BUFFER THERE. 
          UH, THE, THE APPLICANT SKETCH PLAN, 
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UM, SHOWS THAT 30 FOOT ACCESS ROAD SPLITTING THE PROPERTY, UH, HAS THREE ACCESS POINTS INTO THE CARWASH, UH, HERE CLOSER TO 17, UH, THEN FURTHER UP AND THEN THE ENTRYWAY INTO THE ACTUAL TUNNEL CARWASH, UH, PROPOSED ACCESS ONTO 17 WOULD BE A RIGHT IN AND RIGHT OUT ONLY. 
          SO NO LEFT TURN MOVEMENTS. 
          THE, UH, DRIVE OFF, UM, INTO GRAFTON DRIVE WOULD BE A FULL TURN. 
          SO IT WOULD BE A LEFT RIGHT OR RIGHT IN LEFT IN, UH, IT WOULD BE A FULL AND OPEN, OPEN ACCESS ACCESS WAY AS SHOWN. 
          UH, ADDITIONALLY THE REGIONAL BIKEWAY PLAN SHOWS A PROPOSED MULTI-USE PATH ALONG ROUTE 17, AND THE APPLICANT HAS INCLUDED THAT ALONG THE FRONTAGE. 
          UH, THE SKETCH MAN SHOWS THE PATH IT'S A 10 FOOT WIDE PATH. 
          UM, ALONG 17, ACCORDING TO THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION, ENGINEERS GENERATION MANUAL, THE PROPOSED CARWASH CAN BE EXPECTED TO GENERATE ABOUT 78 VEHICLE TRIPS IN THE AM OR PM PEAK HOUR. 
          THOSE ARE THE RUSH HOUR TIME PERIODS IN THE MORNING AND IN THE AFTERNOON, AND THEN NO MORE THAN 780 DAILY VEHICLE TRIPS IN AND OUT OF THE SITE. 
          UM, THESE ARE WELL BELOW THE THOUSAND AND A HUNDRED, UH, PEAK AND DAILY TRIPS THAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES A FULL IMPACT ANALYSIS. 
          HOWEVER, WITH ALL AUTOMOTIVE USES, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A FULL ANALYSIS, WHICH THE APPLICANT HAS DONE THAT, UH, THEY SUBMITTED THEIR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, UH, WHICH SHOWED THAT THE INTERSECTIONS WOULD OPERATE AT LEVELS OF SERVICE WITH, OR WITHOUT THIS CARWASH, UH, WITHOUT A PROBLEM, UH, VDI DID REVIEW IT AND THEY CONCURRED WITH, UH, THE, UH, CONCLUSIONS FROM THAT REPORT, UM, THAT, THAT IT WOULD NOT IMPACT TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A VERY MINOR INFORMATION ON STORMWATER BECAUSE AT THIS POINT THEY DON'T DO A FULL ENGINEERING ANALYSIS THAT COMES LATER IF IT'S APPROVED, WHEN THEY GO THROUGH THE SITE PLAN PROCESS, AND THEY'LL HAVE TO MEET ALL FEDERAL STATE AND LOCAL REQUIREMENTS FOR WATER QUALITY AND QUANTITY THAT COMES ON OR OFF THAT SITE, UM, EXCUSE ME. 
          SO THAT WOULD, UH, THEY DID A VERY MINOR ANALYSIS, WHICH BASICALLY SAID THEY WOULD PUT SOME STORMWATER INTO THE EXISTING STORM WATER SYSTEM. 
          THEY WOULD HOLD SOME ON THE PROPERTY EITHER THROUGH UNDERGROUND TANKS OR SOMETHING OF THAT SCENT, BUT THEY HAVEN'T DONE A FULL ANALYSIS YET. 
          AND THAT WOULD COME LATER IF THE USE PERMIT WAS APPROVED, UM, DURING THAT SITE PLAN PROCESS, UM, ADDITIONALLY, UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO SAY HOW THEY WOULD HANDLE ANY HAZARDOUS MATERIALS THAT WOULD COME OFF THE SIDE, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH THE CARWASH PROCESS OR ANY CLEANING MATERIALS, ALL OF THAT IS HANDLED WITH THE S THE REGULATIONS THAT ARE IN PLACE AND WHAT COME DURING SITE PLAN PROCESS. 
          IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT WE RECEIVED 39 CITIZEN COMMENTS ON THIS APPLICATION. 
          ONE OF THE PARTICULAR CONCERNS WAS NOISE CREATED BY THE EQUIPMENT WITHIN THE TUNNEL WASH AREA, ESPECIALLY BY THE AIR DRYERS AND THEIR CLOSE PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          UH, THESE APPLICANTS, THESE COMMENTS WERE PROVIDED TO THE APPLICANT, UH, BUT WE NEVER RECEIVED A RESPONSE BACK FROM THEM ON HOW THEY PLAN TO HANDLE THE NOISE. 
          UM, OUR ZONING ENFORCEMENT STAFF DID GO OUT, UM, TO MONITOR THE EXISTING SIDE THERE, THEY HAVE AN EXISTING LOCATION ON MORE TOWN ROAD, EXCUSE ME, WITH A SIMILAR, UH, CARWASH SET UP. 
          AND THEY DID MEASURE IT. 
          UH, THEY HAD, THEY HAD A READING OF, UH, BACKGROUND, NO NOISE COMING FROM THE, THE CARWASH THAT WAS 53 DECIBELS IN THE AREA. 
          WHEN THE BLOWERS CAME ON, IT WAS 81 DECIBELS FOR CARS AND 90 DECIBELS FOR LARGE VEHICLES, SUV'S VANS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          SO IT DID REACH INTO THAT LOUD SOUND AREA, WHICH WOULD BE SIMILAR TO A HAIRDRYER OR A TRUCK GOING BY. 
          UH, SO IT WAS A VERY, UH, LIMITED AMOUNT. 
          AND IT WAS ONLY ON DURING, DURING THE DRYER PHASE, EXCUSE ME, WHILE THE PROSPECTS OF A MIXED USE ACTIVITY CENTER IN THIS AREA OF GRAFTON DRIVE AND ROUTE 17 MAY BE REMOTE. 
          THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CLEARLY ENVISIONS PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED MIX OF USES WITH BUSINESSES THAT ARE ACCESSIBLE BY FOOT FROM NEARBY HIGH DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL AREAS CONSISTENT WITH THIS VISION. 
          THE COUNTY IS PLANNING TO UTILIZE FEDERAL FUNDS TO EXTEND THE EXISTING SIDEWALK ON THE WEST SIDE OF GRAFTON DRIVE FROM THE SCHOOL COMPLEX PAST MARTIN FARM ROAD, ALL THE WAY TO TIMBERLINE LOOP GREATLY ENHANCING THE WALKABILITY OF THIS AREA, GIVEN ITS LOCATION WITH FRONTAGE ON GRAFTON DRIVE ROUTE 17 AND MARTIN FARM ROAD, THE SUBJECT PARCEL AS WELL, SITUATED FOR THE KIND OF DEVELOPED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ENVISIONED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          STAFF WAS CONCERNED THAT FOR THIS PROPERTY TO BE DEVELOPED 
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WITH A USE THAT WOULD BE LIMITED EXCLUSIVELY TO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC. 
          WHAT CONSTITUTE A LOST OPPORTUNITY FOR USE, WHICH WILL COMPLIMENT THE EXIST EXISTING RESIDENTIAL USES PROVIDE BY PROVIDING OF A USE, WHICH IS MORE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED. 
          IN STAFF'S OPINION, THE PROPOSED CARWASH WOULD NOT BE AN ATTRACTIVE ADDITION TO THE ROUTE 17 CORRIDOR. 
          THE LIMITED LANDSCAPING ALONG ROUND 17, VARYING THE VARYING INCOMPATIBLE RUE STYLES ON THE BUILDING AND THE CANOPY AND THE VISIBILITY OF THE VACUUM EQUIPMENT DO NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ROUTE 17 CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT. 
          FURTHERMORE, THE NOISE LEVEL OF THE EQUIPMENT, APPROXIMATELY 150 FEET FROM RESIDENTIAL AREAS COULD HAVE ADVERSE EFFECTS ON THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THESE RESIDENTS. 
          THEREFORE, BASED ON THAT CONSIDERATIONS AND CONCLUSIONS AS NOTED STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THIS APPLICATION IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. 
          HOWEVER, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE APPLICATION FORWARD, WE HAVE PROVIDED A, UH, RESOLUTION PC 22 DASH 15 R, UH, WHICH, UH, OUTLINES MANY OF THE CONDITIONS THAT I'VE SET FORTH IN THE PRESENTATION. 
          I KNOW THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO SPEAK WITH YOU ALONG WITH SEVERAL OTHER CITIZENS. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. 
          I HAVE ONE QUESTION, EXCUSE ME. 
          UM, WHEN THEY TOOK THE DECIBEL READING, WHERE WERE THEY STANDING? THEY WERE STANDING ON THE ACCESS DRIVE THAT LOOKS DIRECTLY AT THE TUNNEL ON THE EXIT TUNNEL, 40, 50 FEET AWAY. 
          YES, YES. 
          THEY WERE STANDING ON THE ROAD. 
          YES, YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          AND ALSO TO CONFIRM ANOTHER, THERE WERE, UH, TWO TO FOUR EMPLOYEES FULL-TIME INDICATORS, NO SPECIAL SERVICES, NO DETAILING OR ANYTHING THAT'S TO TAKE PLACE HERE. 
          I'LL REFER THAT QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT. 
          HE COULD PROVIDE BETTER DETAIL ON THAT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE, UH, GOING TO OPEN A REOPEN THIS, UH, PUBLIC HEARING, UH, CAUSE WE, WE STARTED IT LAST MONTH AT AN OPEN HEARING LAST MONTH AND WE JUST POSTPONED IT TO THIS MONTH. 
          AND SO WE'RE GOING TO REOPEN THE HEARING AND THE APPLICANT, I THINK IS HERE. 
          MR. IS IT MURPHY? YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          WOULD YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? YES, SIR. 
          MARTY MURPHY, 1 24 EAST THOMPSON STREET, THOMAS AND GEORGIA. 
          I'M HERE TO REPRESENT TIDAL WAVE AUTO SPA. 
          UH, APPRECIATE MR. ANDERSON'S PRESENTATION. 
          UM, TODD WHITE HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS SINCE 2004. 
          WE CURRENTLY HAVE 102 LOCATIONS OPEN. 
          ONE OF THEM CURRENTLY IS HERE IN YORK COUNTY IN WILLIAMSBURG, UH, YEAH, IN WILLIAMSBURG OR ONE MORE TOWN ROAD. 
          I SET UP THERE A GREAT DEAL OF TIME TODAY, STUDYING THE CARWASH, LOOKING AT IT. 
          I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME CONCERN AND I WANT TO CLARIFY A FEW THINGS. 
          SO THAT CARWASH HAS JUST RECENTLY OPENED. 
          SO THERE'S BEEN CONCERN ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING OF THIS CARWASH UPON MATURITY OF THE LANDSCAPING. 
          THIS CARWASH WILL LOOK EXCELLENT. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WE PUT IN COMPLETE SOD, WE DIDN'T SH STRAW SEED AND STRAW, ANY OF THE GRASS OR ANYTHING WE DID SAW. 
          WE DID IRRIGATION. 
          WE DID LANDSCAPING. 
          WE MET AND ACTUALLY EXCEEDED WHAT WAS REQUIRED BY THE, UH, YOUR COUNTY BACK WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THIS. 
          WELL, MR. CROSS WAS IN THIS POSITION. 
          UH, WE WENT THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS FOR THAT CARWASH AND WE MET ALL THE STANDARDS WHEN IT CAME TO LANDSCAPING, BUILDING DESIGN, STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS, UH, THE, THE RECYCLING OF THE WATER. 
          WE MET ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND WE'VE BUILT A BEAUTIFUL CARWASH. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS OUT THERE TODAY IN SOME THINGS THAT I NOTICED THAT WE COULD DO BETTER AT THE SITE LEADER. 
          I WENT OVER WITH HIM ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AGING, THE GRASS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          WE COULD DO A LITTLE BIT BETTER. 
          UH, BUT HE'S A NEW SITE LEADER WITH TRYING TO TRAIN EMPLOYEES. 
          THIS IS A NEW SITE AGAIN, WHEN THAT VEGETATION IS MATURE, IT'LL LOOK EXCELLENT. 
          AND WE ARE VERY PROUD OF THAT CARWASH. 
          UM, JUST TO DISCUSS A FEW THINGS ABOUT THE NOISE. 
          I WAS AWARE THAT NOISE STUDY YOUR, UH, YOUR COUNTY EMPLOYEE CAME OUT AND DID A NOISE STUDY. 
          HE STOOD AT THE EXIT END OF THE TUNNEL IN THE, IN THE ROAD, THE ACCESS ROAD COMING OFF MORE TOWN THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 55 FEET FROM THE EXIT OF THE TUNNEL, WHICH IS THE NOISIEST PART OF THE CARWASH. 
          JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME FACTS ABOUT NOISE AND DECIMALS. 
          WE'VE HAD NOISE STUDIES DONE AND AT, AT 50 FEET FROM THE CARWASH, ROUGHLY 55 FEET, WE, YOUR EMPLOYEE HAD STATED THAT WE HAD A SPIKE OF 90 DECIBELS WHEN A LARGE CAR CAME THROUGH A LARGE TRUCK OR A VAN. 
          UH, WHEN WE DID OUR STUDY IN SHARPSBURG GEORGIA, WE WERE VERY SIMILAR AND THAT WE HAD 85.7 DECIBELS. 
          UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE DECIBEL LEVEL IS DETERMINED AT THE 
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EXIT END OF THE TUNNEL. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT OUR SITE PLAN AND I'M GOING TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET BACK TO IT, UM, COLORED BE FINE. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT OUR SITE PLAN, WE PURPOSELY PUT THE CARWASH ORIENTED, THE CARWASH TOWARD HIGHWAY 17. 
          FOR THAT PURPOSE THAT WE TOOK IN CONSIDERATION THAT THE MARTIN FARMS RESIDENTS AND THE ADDITIONAL RESIDENTS THIS BEHIND US ON GRAFTON, WE PLACED IT IN THIS ORIENTATION AS TO NOT TO DISTURB THOSE AND NOT HAVE REQUESTS FROM THE, FROM THE COUNTY. 
          WE PLACED THE FENCE THERE AS AN ADDITIONAL BUFFER TO HELP WITH THAT. 
          WE DID LANDSCAPING ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS MADE BY MR. ANDERSON, THAT I WOULD LIKE TO, TO ADD TO AS THE APPLICANT, WE WOULD NOT ONLY DO THE LANDSCAPING ON OUR SIDE OF THE FENCE, CAUSE WE WOULD STILL LIKE TO HAVE THAT NICE LOOK. 
          WE WOULD ADDITIONALLY, UH, PROPOSE TO PUT ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING ON THE OTHER SIDE, IF THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE IN HERE TONIGHT. 
          UM, AND THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY BEEN SITTING FOR 10 YEARS UNDER UNDEVELOPED. 
          UH, I THINK WE'RE THE FIRST APPLICANT THAT HAS COME BEFORE YOU IN 10 YEARS TO TRY TO PROPOSE DOING DEVELOPMENT HERE. 
          UM, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES THAT THEY WANT MORE YOU IS TO SERVICE THE RESIDENTIAL, THE SCHOOL AND THE RETAIL AREA. 
          AND THEY WANT MORE WALKABILITY. 
          BUT IF YOU LOOK THE MEDICAL CENTER TO THE, TO THE, I WOULD SAY TO THE SOUTH OF US, OR IF I'M ORIENTED NOW TO THE LEFT OF OUR DEVELOPMENT, UH, THE CHURCH ACROSS THE ROAD, UH, THE ONLY THING THAT'S WALKABLE THAT THE PEDESTRIANS WOULD POTENTIALLY GO TO WOULD BE THE PHARMACY ACROSS THE STREET OPPOSITE OF THE CHURCH. 
          UM, WE FEEL LIKE AS THE CARWASH INDUSTRY, WE'RE PROVIDING A SERVICE TO THIS RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY AND TO THESE SCHOOLS AND TO THE PEOPLE THAT SHOPPING AND RETAIL AND THAT WE'RE PROVIDING YOU ONE MORE OPPORTUNITY AS A, AS A CONVENIENT LIFESTYLE, WE PROVIDE YOU A CARWASH RIGHT HERE, THIS AVAILABLE WHERE ALL THE RESIDENTS CAN ACCESS US EASILY WITHOUT HAVING TO TRAVEL ACROSS TOWN OR, YOU KNOW, MILES AWAY TO GET TO ANOTHER CARWASH. 
          AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE WAY TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY. 
          UM, WE PUT IN THE LANDSCAPING THAT MAKES THIS LOOK LIKE AN, UH, MAKES THIS AN ATTRACTIVE BUSINESS. 
          UM, WE'RE LESS IMPACTFUL TRAFFIC WISE THAN A FAST FOOD SERVICE RESTAURANT SMELL WISE. 
          AND WE'RE HOURS. 
          OPERATION IS EIGHT, EIGHT MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. 
          WE EMPLOY 12 TO 15 EMPLOYEES ONSITE AT ANY GIVEN TIME IS THREE TO FOUR EMPLOYEES PER SHIFT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS IMPACT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE, IF YOU PUT A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT IN HERE, IT'LL BE MORE IMPACTFUL TRAFFIC SMELL THE NOISE FROM THE SPEAKER SYSTEM IS MORE IMPACTFUL THAN THIS CARWASH. 
          SOME FACTS ABOUT NOISE. 
          LET ME GO BACK TO THAT. 
          YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW THIS, BUT A PASSENGER CAR AT 50 FEET TRAVELING 55 MILES AN HOUR MAKES A DECIBEL LEVEL OF 71, A LARGE TRUCK ON HIGHWAY 17 AT 50 FEET AWAY AT 50 MILES, 55 MILES AN HOUR, 86 DECIBELS, A GAS LAWNMOWER AT FIVE FEET, 86 DECIBELS, A VACUUM CLEANER YOUR HOUSE AT THREE FEET, 81 DECIBELS NORMAL CONVERSATION BETWEEN TWO ADULTS, THREE FEET AWAY. 
          THE DECIMAL LEVEL OF 63. 
          AND ONE IS REALLY GOING TO AMAZE YOU IS THE DECIBEL LEVEL OF WIND IN THE TREES IS 43 DECIBELS, 10 MILE AN HOUR. 
          WIND IS 43 DECIBELS TO SAY THAT WE WOULD BE IMPACTFUL FOR THE RESIDENTS ON MARTIN FARM. 
          AND FOR BROOKWOOD IS, IS SAYING THAT OUR CAR WASH IS DIRECTLY SITTING IN THEIR DRIVEWAY WITHIN 50 TO A HUNDRED FEET FROM THEIR DRIVEWAY PRODUCING THE SPIKE DECIMAL AT 90. 
          IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THE PLANE BEHIND YOU, WE'RE PROBABLY TO THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL 350 TO 400 FEET FROM THE NEAREST DRIVEWAY TO A HOUSE, MUCH LESS THE HOUSE. 
          I THINK WE'VE DETERMINED WE'RE ROUGHLY 500 FEET FROM THE NEAREST FRONT DOOR. 
          UM, SO TO SAY THAT WE'RE IMPACTFUL, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS AN OPPORTUNITY WITH YOUR COUNTY TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY, TO CREATE A BEAUTIFUL LOOKING BUSINESS AND A BEAUTIFUL BUSINESS HERE TO BE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THE CANOPIES. 
          I KNOW THAT THE PICTURE THAT WAS SHOWN, UH, SHOWED A DIFFERENT STYLE CANOPY. 
          IF YOU'VE ALL BEEN OVER TO OUR MORE TOWN ROAD, THE CANOPY ROOF LINE IS EXACTLY THE SAME CANOPY AS THE CARWASH. 
          THE REASON WE DID THAT, IT WAS AN OLDER STYLE THAT WE USED TO USE GAS STATION STYLE CANOPIES, AND WE DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE. 
          WE MR. BLACKSTOCK'S VERY PRIDEFUL OF HIS CAR WASHES AND WE WANTED TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT LOOKED LIKE A COUNTRY CLUB. 
          AND, UH, 
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WE FEEL LIKE IF GIVEN THAT OPPORTUNITY HERE IN YORK COUNTY, THAT WE CAN DO THAT FOR YOU HERE AS WELL. 
          AND, UM, AT THAT TIME, I KNOW MR. MARTIN, WHO IS THE PROPERTY OWNER HERE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS, UH, THE LONGEVITY OF HOW LONG THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN FOR SALE. 
          HOW MANY PEOPLE HE'S HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE THIS DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT WE'RE WILLING TO SPEND HERE TO DO THIS. 
          AND I'M OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS AGAIN, JUST TO CONFIRM THERE'S, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY DETAILING OR ANYTHING. 
          IT'S JUST STRICTLY A DRIVE-THRU STRICTLY AND EXPRESS WASH, AND YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO UTILIZE THE COVERED BACKS OR THE SIX UNCOVERED BACKS TO VACUUM YOUR CAR OR TO USE THE FREE COURTESY TOWELS THAT WE PROVIDE THERE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          YOUR TUNNEL LINE 1 21. 
          YES, SIR. 
          I'M LOOKING AT THAT PICTURE AND LOSING THAT TUNNEL AS A HUNDRED FEET. 
          THOSE HOUSES ARE ONLY 200 FEET FROM YOUR THING, NOT 500 FEET. 
          WELL, IF YOU, IF YOU TAKE THE END OF THE TUNNEL IS 120 AND YOU TAKE THE ENTRANCE FROM THE FACE OF CURB WHERE YOU SEE THE, THE, UH, PREP CANOPY, THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL 50, AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR LANDSCAPE BUFFER. 
          THEN YOU HAVE THE ROAD OF GRAFTON ROAD, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING. 
          YOU'RE, YOU'RE CLOSE TO 300 FEET, 350 FEET. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE DECIBEL FROM 500 DECIBEL LEVEL. 
          WELL, I APOLOGIZE. 
          NO PROBLEM. 
          WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET BACK HERE, MR. ANDERSON, UH, BACK TO THE WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME. 
          YES, SIR. 
          YEP. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IT'S UH, I APOLOGIZE. 
          I DIDN'T TELL YOU UPFRONT. 
          YOU HAVE 10 MINUTES. 
          YES, SIR. 
          YES, SIR. 
          MR. HARRIS, 10 MINUTES. 
          UH LET'S YOU SHOW WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO SHOW HERE THAT I NEED TO CATCH YOU OFF, UH, GO TO THE ONE THAT DOES OWN, IT SHOWS THE CURRENT LIKE OVERHEAD. 
          YES. 
          HE'S JUST ANSWERING THAT QUESTION. 
          YEAH, IT IS. 
          IT'S AT LEAST 350 FEET FROM THE DRIVEWAY FROM THE FRONT DOOR. 
          IF YOU CIRCLE INTO IT, YOU'RE PROBABLY ANOTHER 75 FEET. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. K, MR. FRIEDMAN, PLEASE LEAVE THEM FOR ME. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU. 
          I, I AM CONCERNED THAT IT MAY NOT BE THE BEST USE FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, BUT WILSON. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT COME UP NOW. 
          A, UH, MS. UH, I GUESS CYNTHIA INGRAM, SHE PLEASE COME FORWARD. 
          STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. 
          GOOD. 
          THE THING I'M CYNTHIA INGRAM. 
          I LIVE AT 2 0 6 TIMBERLINE LOOP, YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA, WHICH IS IN RAIN, BROOKVILLE LIPS. 
          THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THE SLEEP THING. 
          UM, I'M HERE TO EXPLAIN WHY I FEEL THE DEVELOPERS OF TIDE, THE WAVE CARWASH NINE S S H J CONSTRUCTION GROUP SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO OPERATE AT THE LOCATION. 
          IT HAS BEEN STATED BY MANY THAT THERE ARE NUMEROUS CAR WASHES ALREADY BUILT IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE AREA. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF ANY BODY WHO FEELS WE HAVE A SCARCITY OF CAR WASHES IN THE AREA. 
          THE AREA THAT IS BEING CONSIDERED IS A RESIDENTIAL SETTING. 
          FOR THE MOST PART, THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 900 THAT ON GRAFTON DRIVE OR OFF OF GRAFTON DRIVE, WE ALSO HAVE TWO SCHOOLS OFF OF GRAFTON DRIVE AS WELL AS WELL ON THEIR ROAD. 
          THE SCHOOLS BRING IN A LOT OF TRAFFIC WITH ASSOCIATE EMPLOYEES, STUDENTS WHO DRIVE PARENTS, DROPPING THEIR CHILDREN OFF AS WELL AS BUSES. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT THAN NOW ESIS DID NOT MAKE SUR FINDINGS ON TIMEFRAMES. 
          WHEN THE TRAFFIC ACTIVITY WAS HIGHEST FROM SCHOOLS, IT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION. 
          THAT INFORMATION SHOULD HAVE BEEN GLEANED FROM SCHOOL ACTIVITY AND THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN CONDUCTED OVER A MINIMUM OF TWO DAYS BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 7:00 AM AND 7:00 PM. 
          THE INFORMATION REGARDING THE MANN ACT HIT THE DURING CURRENTLY DURING BESTNET SIS RESIDENTS, LEAVING AND RETURNING FROM WORK SCHOOL INTAKE AND DISCHARGE AND TRAFFIC FROM STUDENT EXTRA CURRICULAR ACTIVITIES WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN COLLECTED. 
          NOW, SCHOOL IS ALMOST THOUGH FOR, UH, IT WILL BE SOMETIME IN THE FALL BEFORE ANOTHER 
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VALID NEW STUDY COULD BE PERFORMED. 
          I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOODS OF BRANG BROOKVILLE, US AND MARTIN FARMS. THE BACKSIDE, THE TOWN HOMES HAD MARTIN FARMS IS ONLY ABOUT 50 FEET FROM THEIR PROPERTY TO THE CURBING OF THE PENDING SALE, THEIR LIVING SPACES AND BEDROOMS. THEY SAT ON THAT PROPERTY. 
          IMAGINE TRYING TO PUT A TODDLER DOWN TO SLEEP WHEN YOU HAVE VACUUM THE WEISS CARWASH NOISE, HEAVY BASS MUSIC, AS WELL AS HIGH STANDING SECURITY LIGHTS THAT WILL LIKELY BE LEFT ON ALL NIGHT. 
          ALSO WHAT TYPES OF BUSINESSES MAY GO ON THAT? UNDEVELOPED LAMB, SUCH AS THE ALL NIGHT GAS STATION AND MANY MARTIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, NEXT UP IS A, UH, JUDY MCDOWELL, PLEASE COME FORWARD. 
          STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M JUDITH MCDOWELL. 
          MY ADDRESS IS 2 3 7 RAIN BROOKE WAY, AND I AM A HOMEOWNER OF RAIN, BROOKE VILLAS. 
          I OPPOSE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CAR WASH FACILITY WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR SEVERAL REASONS, LIKE ALL THE APPROXIMATELY 250 RESIDENTS OF RAIN BROOKVILLE IS I HAVE ONLY ONE WAY TO EXIT AND ENTER MY COMMUNITY. 
          I MUST USE GRAFT AND DRIVE AND PASS THROUGH ITS INTERSECTION WITH MARTIN FARM ROAD. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO GET INTO MY COMMUNITY WHEN YOU ADD THE TRAFFIC FROM MARTIN FARM TOWNHOMES, WHICH ALSO MUST USE THAT INTERSECTION TO EXIT THEIR DEVELOPMENT AND THE RESIDENTS OF GLEN, GLEN, LAUREL PLUS THE STUDENTS, PARENTS, STAFF, AND BUSES FROM GRAFTON HIGH SCHOOL. 
          WHEN THEY'RE HEADED SOUTH ON ROUTE 17 AND THE PATIENTS AND STAFF FROM THE TPMG OFFICE AT THE END OF GRAFT AND DRIVE TO SAY NOTHING OF THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES, WHICH GO THROUGH THAT AREA FROM FIRE STATION ONE ON DARE ROAD, MULTIPLE TIMES DAILY PUT ALL THAT TOGETHER AND YOU HAVE TRI HIGH TRAFFIC VOLUME AT THAT SPOT. 
          THE ADDITION OF THE CAR OF THE TRAFFIC FROM THE CARWASH WITH ITS ENTRANCES AND EXITS JUST FEET FROM THE INTERSECTION, WE'LL MAKE THAT AN EXTREMELY CONGESTED AREA THAT IS DANGEROUS FOR RESIDENTS, VISITORS, PATIENTS, AND STUDENTS. 
          I KNOW THE TRAFFIC STUDY PRESENTED SAID THAT THE IMPACT WILL BE LOW, BUT TO ME, AN ADDITIONAL 780 TRIPS PER DAY WILL INDEED HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT ON THAT AREA. 
          SECONDLY, AS STATED BEFORE THE NOISE FROM THE CAR WASH WILL BE CONSTANT FROM 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM. 
          I RECENTLY VISITED THE CAR TITLE, WAVE CAR WASH IN WILLIAMSBURG AND IN GLOUCESTER AND MEASURED THE SOUND LEVELS FROM THEM WITH MY DECIBEL METER. 
          AND THIS WAS ON THE VACUUM CLEANER SIDE, NOT THE TUNNEL SIDE. 
          THE DECIBEL READER SHOWED THAT THE AVERAGE NOISE LEVEL DURING A LOW USE TIME WAS CONSTANTLY BETWEEN 70 AND 80 DECIMALS AND SPIKED TONIGHT MUST BE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER WHEN IT'S HIGH USE TIME WITH THOSE VACUUMS, THAT HIGH PITCHED NOISE FROM THE PROPOSED 17 VACUUM STALLS WILL BE HEARD BY EVERYONE WHO PASSES BY AND GOES THROUGH THE INTERSECTION. 
          THE RESIDENTS OF WINE BARRY WAY AND MARTIN FARM TOWNHOMES, WHOSE PATIOS ARE REALLY ONLY 40 FEET FROM GRAFTON DRIVE. 
          WE'LL HAVE THE NOISE LITERALLY IN THEIR BACKYARDS, AND WE'LL HAVE TO LISTEN TO IT ALL DAY AND EVENING AS WELL. 
          THE HOMEOWNERS ON THE NORTHEASTERN SIDE OF RAIN BROOKVILLE IS THAT SURELY WILL AFFECT PROPERTY VALUES AS WELL AS QUALITY OF LIFE. 
          FINALLY, A QUICK INTERNET SEARCH TURNED UP 15 CAR WASH AND DETAILING SERVICES WITHIN FIVE MILES OF MY HOME. 
          WE CERTAINLY DON'T NEED TO ADD A 16 TO THAT SAME AREA BASED ON TRAFFIC CONGESTION NOISE, AND A PROLIFERATION OF CAR CLEANING SERVICES ALREADY IN THE AREA. 
          PLUS THE EXISTENCE OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN CLOSE PROXIMITY. 
          THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT PLACE FOR A CAR WASH FACILITY. 
          IT CLEARLY VIOLATES THE SPIRIT OF YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          AND I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO FOLLOW THE ADVICE OF YOUR STAFF'S REPORT TO DENY THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          PERFECT TIMING. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, MS. SLOWEST BATES, WOULD YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES LOIS BATES, OR LESS THAN THAT LOIS PAGE 2, 1 4 RAIN BROCKWAY WAY. 
          AND AS A RESIDENT OF RAINBOW FELLOWS, I AM STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THIS. 
          THE TRAFFIC AT THAT CORNER IS ALREADY A NIGHTMARE AND A SAFETY HAZARD WITH STUDENTS FROM GRAFTON HIGH SCHOOL AND ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS IN THAT AREA ALREADY. 
          THERE HAVE BEEN MANY CLOSE CALLS AT THAT STOP SIGN, WHICH PEOPLE DO NOT USE. 
          AND SPEEDERS THAT GO AROUND THAT CORNER. 
          THAT'S A CAR WASH NEXT TO WENDY'S 
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LESS THAN TWO MILES AWAY. 
          AND ALTHOUGH THE TWO IN FRONT OF KROGER HAVE BEEN CLOSED, I UNDERSTAND A NEW ONE HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR THAT LOCATION. 
          SO, AND THEN THERE'S THE OTHER ONE THAT'S JUST SOUTH OF VICTORY BOULEVARD. 
          SO THAT'S HOW MANY CAR WASHES DOES YOUR COUNTY AND ROUTE 17 NEED? I QUESTIONED THE PLAN FOR RUNOFF FROM WATER FROM THE CARWASH WILL THEIR WATER FLOW THROUGH OUR DRAINAGE SYSTEM. 
          I'VE BEEN TOLD THIS IS A 24 HOUR CAR WASH, WHICH I GUESS IT'S NOT REALLY, BUT, UM, A RESIDENTIAL AREA DOES NOT NEED THAT TYPE OF ACTIVITY EVEN IN THE EVENING. 
          EVEN IF IT'S NOT OPEN ALL NIGHT, PLEASE VOTE AGAINST US AND KEEP OUR PROPERTY VALUES UP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, ROBIN COOTS, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS. 
          DO YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, SIR? GOOD EVENING. 
          I'M ROB CUTS. 
          I LIVE AT 1 0 2 POND VIEW IN RAIN, BROOKVILLE VILLAS. 
          I'VE LIVED IN THE GRAFTON SECTION OF YOUR COUNTY FOR OVER 20 YEARS. 
          UH, PRESENTLY LIVE, AS I SAID IN RAINBOW VILLAS ON MAY 1ST, I WROTE A LENGTHY LETTER REGARDING THE MANY REASONS WHY THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT SHOULD NOT BE GRANTED THAT I TRUST. 
          YOU'VE ALL READ IN PREPARATION FOR THIS MEETING. 
          SO I'LL KEEP IT SHORT. 
          I URGE YOU TO VOTE AGAINST GRANTING THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE FOLLOWING PRIMARY REASONS. 
          FIRST, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT THE COMMUNITY, YOUR CONSTITUENTS OVERWHELMINGLY OPPOSES THE APPLICATION IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE APPROPRIATE OF THIS AREA. 
          SECOND, A CAR WASH IN THIS LOCATION IS UNNECESSARY. 
          THERE ARE CAR WASHES LOCATED JUST ONE MILE. 
          THAT'S THE MEGA AUTO SPA NORTH SOUTH. 
          AND ONE MILE NORTH IS THE CLOSED ONE ON ROUTE 17 FROM THIS PROPOSED LOCATION. 
          THIS IS EXACTLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT. 
          WE DO NOT WANT, NOR DO WE NEED ANOTHER CAR WASH EVERY MILE DOWN ROUTE 17, WHICH SHOULD BE OBVIOUS BY THE FACT THAT THE CAR WASH ONE MILE NORTH RECENTLY CLOSED. 
          THE ONE TO THE SOUTH, PROBABLY HAD A HAND IN PUTTING IT OUT OF BUSINESS. 
          THIRD. 
          THIS IS NOT AN INAPPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR A CAR WASH. 
          IT BACKS UP DIRECTLY AGAINST THE MARTIN FARM TOWN HOMES THAT A BUD GRAFT AND DRIVE WILL BE VERY CLOSE TO RAINBOW VILLAS. 
          IT'S NOT A PURELY COMMERCIAL LOCATION, A MORE APPROPRIATE LOCATION WOULD BE AN OUT PARCEL. 
          LIKE THE ONE WHERE THE TIDAL WAVE AUTO SPA ON MORE TOWN ROAD IS LOCATED EVEN THE VACANT PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ROUTE 17, BETWEEN THE POST OFFICE AND I HOP WOULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER SPOT IF A CARWASH WERE NEEDED IN THIS AREA AT ALL. 
          AND IT'S NOT FOURTH, I DO NOT BELIEVE THE APPLICANT CAN BE TRUSTED TO KEEP ITS PROMISES. 
          THIS APPLICATION WAS IN MY OPINION, INCOMPLETE AND DISINGENUOUS. 
          AND WHEN THEY GOT CAUGHT BY ME AND THE MANY OTHERS WHO REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND THEN WROTE IN OPPOSITION TO IT, THE APPLICANT ASKED FOR A POSTPONEMENT BECAUSE ACCORDING TO EARL ANDERSON, THEY WANTED QUOTE TO RESPOND TO THE NUMEROUS CITIZEN COMMENTS SUBMITTED AND FELT THEY NEEDED TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY TO DISCUSS THE APPLICATION AND QUOTE TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE. 
          AND I SHOULD KNOW, SINCE I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE RAIN, BROOKVILLE IS ASSOCIATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS MADE NO ATTEMPT WHATSOEVER TO REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, TO MEET WITH US AS THEY SAID THEY WANTED TO, OR TO OTHERWISE RESPOND TO OUR COMMENTS. 
          AND I DIDN'T SEE ANY SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIAL ADDRESSING OUR CONCERNS IN THE MATERIALS PROVIDED FOR THIS HEARING. 
          THAT MAKES ME QUESTION THE APPLICANT'S MOTIVES AND ASKING FOR A POSTPONEMENT, PERHAPS THEY SHOULD'VE THOUGHT WE WOULDN'T SHOW UP. 
          FINALLY, IT'S THE OPINION OF YOUR STAFF TO THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT SHOULD NOT BE GRANTED. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, NEXT STEP IS LILLIAN DELANEY. 
          THE ALONI MIGHT'VE MISPRONOUNCED IT. 
          I'M SORRY IF I DID, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          I'M LILLIAN DELANEY. 
          I LIVE AT 3 0 6 TEMPER LINE LOOP AND RAIN BROOK VILLAS. 
          GOOD EVENING, THE YORK COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION AND ALL PARTIES INTERESTED IN SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION NUMBER UPP 9 8 9 2 2 FROM THE S H J CONSTRUCTION GROUP TO AUTHORIZE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A CARWASH FACILITY KNOWN AS TITLEWAVE AUTO SPA. 
          I A 1.2 ACRE PORTION OF A 2.1 ACRE PARCEL OF LAND LOCATED AT 5, 4, 4 1 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY, OR FINALLY KNOWN AS ROUTE 17. 
          I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF RAIN, BROOK VILLA SINCE JUNE 1ST, 2001 AND ONE OF THE ORIGINALS AND RAINBIRD VILLAS OF THIS QUIET LITTLE COMMUNITY COMPRISED OF 164 HOMES. 
          MOSTLY SENIORS YOU'LL HEAR MUCH ARE NEW. 
          YOU'VE HEARD SOME OF OTHERS HERE TONIGHT SPEAK AND YOU'VE READ LETTERS, EMAILS RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THIS PERMIT. 
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I'M HERE THIS EVENING TO GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. 
          AND BEFORE, BEFORE YOU VOTE TO DENY THIS PERMIT, THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS DEFERRED FROM MAY 11TH, MEETING FROM YOUR MAY 11 MEETING. 
          WHEN THE REASONING THAT THE PETITIONER PLAN TO MEET WITH THE CONCERNED NEIGHBORHOODS AND ASSOCIATES ASSOCIATIONS. 
          I AM LILLIAN NIECE, DELANEY, PRESIDENT OF THE RAIN, BROOKE VILLAS CONDOMINIUM UNIT UNIT OWNERS ASSOCIATION. 
          I'VE NOT HEARD A WORD FROM THE PETITIONER S H J CONSTRUCTION. 
          VIS-A-VIS TITLEWAVE A BUSINESS THAT MAKES INSUFFICIENT PLANS MAKES PROMISES AND DOESN'T DELIVER IS NOT THE TYPE OF BUSINESS NEEDED IN YOUR COUNTY. 
          I URGE YOUR COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION TO DENY THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION NUMBER UPC 9 8, 9 DASH 22. 
          IT'S NOT AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR THAT PARCEL OF LAND. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, NEXT UP, BOB FORD, PLEASE COME FORWARD. 
          STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND THREE MINUTES, SIR. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          IN THE PAST, OUR BEDTIME. 
          I KNOW MY NAME IS BOB HORDE. 
          I LIVE AT 1 0 6 POND VIEW AND RING BOOK VILLAGE, WHICH IS YORKTOWN VIRGINIA. 
          I'M OPPOSED TO THIS PROPOSAL TO PUT THE CARWASH HEAD, WHICH IS A USE PERMIT 9 89. 
          THERE'S 22. 
          I HAVE SEVERAL CONCERNS. 
          NUMBER ONE IS STORM WATER. 
          MY UNIT IS RIGHT BY THE DITCH THAT GETS RUNS BETWEEN MARTIN FARMS AND RAIN VILLAGE. 
          IF YOU GO OUT ON GRAFTON DRIVE, THERE'S SIX DRAINS OFF OF GRAFTON DRIVE WITHIN A HUNDRED FOOT SPAN. 
          IT FEEDS ALL OF RUNOFF STORM. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT STORMWATER RUNOFF INTO THAT DITCH. 
          YOUR COUNTY HAS DONE A WONDERFUL JOB IN MY 10 YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN THERE TO KEEP THAT DITCH CLEAN, THEY COME IN THERE AND CLEAN THE LEAVES OUT AND DO A GREAT JOB. 
          I WAS WONDERING WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE DITCH AND WHETHER, UH, PUBLIC WORKS. 
          YOUR COUNTIES EVEN LOOKED AT THIS APPLICATION BECAUSE THAT'S A MAJOR CONCERN. 
          I'VE SEEN THE WATER GET WITHIN SEVERAL INCHES OF THE TOP. 
          THAT'S MY ONE COMPANY. 
          AND ANOTHER THING ON THOSE DRAINS OUT THERE ON GRAFTON DRIVE, EACH ONE OF THOSE GRAINS SAYS NO DUMPING ALLOWED DRAINAGE TO WATERWAYS. 
          NOW WHETHER IT GOES TO THE RESERVOIR DOWN THERE, WHICH IS NOT FAR OR TO THE COAST AND RIVER, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M LOOKING NOT AT THE 81% RECLAIMING THEY DO. 
          AND THAT'S 19%, I GUESS I'LL GO IN THAT DITCH. 
          WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, THE WHAT IS NOW RAINWATER'S GOES INTO THE GROUND. 
          NOW THAT'S GOING TO GO DOWN THAT DITCH AND IT'S GOING TO GO TO THE WATERWAYS. 
          SO THAT STORM ORDERS, NUMBER ONE, NEXT IS NOISE. 
          AND I GET MY CAR WASHED ALL THE TIME AT CAR WASHES. 
          THE NOISE IS REALLY BAD WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THOSE TUNNELS, WHEN THEY DRY THE CAR. 
          AND THEN WHEN YOU GET OUT THERE TO THE, WHERE YOU DO YOUR, UH, VACUUMING, IT'S LOUD OUT THERE. 
          NOW THE GENTLEMEN MAKING THE PRESENTATION SAID THAT ONE VACUUM CLEANER WILL DO 81 DECIBELS. 
          WELL, THERE'S PROBABLY 10 OR 15 VACUUM CLEANERS IN THIS PLAN. 
          IF YOU GET FIVE OR SIX RUNNING NEW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DECIBELS THAT IS. 
          THAT'S A LOT OF NOISE. 
          SO TOP OF THAT, WHEN PEOPLE DETAILED THE CARS, THEY PLAYED A RADIO. 
          YOU KNOW HOW THAT GOES? I NOTICED THAT THE ONE DOWN AT, UH, NEAR THE SPORTS COMPLEX, THEY GOT SIGNS UP OUT THERE. 
          PLEASE DO NOT PLAY YOUR RADIOS LOUD BECAUSE OF OUR NEIGHBORS AND THEY ARE JOINING A MOBILE HOME PARK. 
          AND THIRD, I GUESS, IS YOU ALL ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT OF YOUR COUNTY. 
          NOW I KNOW THAT'S A VIGOROUS TERM, BUT THE EXCUSE ME, APPROVAL OF ANOTHER CARWASH IS NOT AN ORDERLY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTS TO COME UP, DOUG MARTIN, UH, AT THIS POINT, IT COME FORWARD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DOUG MARTIN, UH, TWO A 5 77 ST. 
          LOUIS ROAD, PERSEVERE, VIRGINIA. 
          UM, I APPRECIATE THE TIME AND I APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE TO THE COUNTY. 
          UM, MY FAMILY HAS BEEN IN YOUR COUNTY SINCE, UH, 1850. 
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UM, MY GREAT-GRANDFATHER MY GRANDFATHER, MY FATHER, UM, MY UNCLE ALL WORKS IN THAT PROPERTY. 
          MY GRANDFATHER, MY GREAT-GRANDFATHER LIVED AND DIED ON THAT PROPERTY IN THE SAME BEDROOM. 
          UM, THE DECISION TO SELL TO, UH, TO MARTY AND HIS TEAM, UH, WAS NOT A DECISION I TOOK LIGHTLY, UM, OR WAS THE DECISION WHEN WE TRANSACTED THE, A PARCEL TO A  THAT IS, UM, NOW, UM, THE, UH, MARTIN TOWN, MARTIN TOWNHOMES, WHICH I THINK HAS BEEN AN EXCELLENT DEVELOPMENT FOR THE COUNTY. 
          UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT AT 36,000 PEOPLE, MORE THAN A THREE, UH, THREE MILE RADIUS OF, UH, OF THE PROPOSED SITE AND WE HAVE, UH, 36 TO 39, UM, OBJECTIONS, UM, FROM THE SAME COMMUNITY. 
          AND SO WHILE I APPRECIATE, UM, YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SPEAK UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN, I'D HAVE TO WHOLEHEARTEDLY DISAGREE, DISAGREE WHEN A COUPLE OF POINTS, UM, ONE OF WHICH MR. ANDERSON, I BELIEVE, UM, AS YOU PROPOSED IT, EVEN BACKTRACK SOMEWHAT, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S IN TERMS OF THE, UH, PEDESTRIAN USE ON ROUTE 17 AS A FATHER, THE THREE DAUGHTERS, I WOULD NEVER LET MY DAUGHTERS CROSS ROUTE 17 TO GO TO ONE OF THE MANY, UH, DRUGSTORES SCENARIO OR TO THE CHURCH OR TO ANY OF THE LOCATIONS I'M CONCERNED AS A, UH, A LONG-TERM, UM, PERSON IN THE COUNTY, SOMEONE, UH, WHOSE FAMILY HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN GOOD STANDING IN THE COUNTY AS A TAXPAYER, UM, OF MY RIGHTS TO TRANSACT THE PROPERTY BASED ON WHAT I'VE HEARD THIS EVENING. 
          I WOULD HOPE THAT THE, UH, THE COMMISSION, UM, IN LIGHT OF A TIDAL WAVE, UH, TITLE IS GOOD STANDING AS A BUSINESS, SOMETHING I RESEARCHED, UH, THOROUGHLY AND INVESTIGATED AND VISITED THEIR SITES, SCENARIO MYSELF. 
          UM, I WOULD STRONGLY CONSIDER THAT, UM, YOU WOULD APPROVE, APPROVE THIS BUSINESS. 
          I THINK MANY OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE, UH, THE RESIDENTS HAVE SHOWN TODAY, YOU KNOW, WOULD LIKELY BE GERMANE TO ANY APPLICANT. 
          AND SO, UM, AS I MENTIONED, RESEARCH THESE FOLKS, GREAT FOLKS, I THINK YOU'LL FIND IT TO BE GOOD, TO BE GOOD PARTNERS INTO THE COMMUNITY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, ADOPT VERY SERIOUSLY THAT YOU'LL HAVE PEOPLE OUTSIDE, UH, ALL, ALL TIMES AS NIGHT, UH, PLAYING LOUD MUSIC, UH, CLEANER CARS, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR GOOD CONSIDERATION. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MARTIN. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THAT'S ALL OF THE, UH, NOTICES. 
          I'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SPEAK. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE OUT THERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? OKAY. 
          SO I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ISSUE, AND WE'LL TALK AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS HERE, AN OPEN FORUM. 
          IT'S NORMAL. 
          I START WITH MR. PETERMAN. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          UH, IT'S THE WRONG BUSINESS FOR THE POSITION? UH, I'M AGAINST THIS, UH, PROPOSAL MR. KING. 
          UM, I CONCUR WITH MR. PETER MAN, JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. 
          UH, TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS SAYS THAT IT CAN HANDLE THE TRAFFIC. 
          I, I SIDE WITH THE RESIDENTS IN HIS FACT, 780 VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY, ALTHOUGH MIGHT MEET A LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT SATISFACTORY IS STILL HAS AN IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY. 
          I DON'T LIVE FAR FROM THERE OFF OF LAKESIDE PINEY POINT, VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          I'M AT THAT INTERSECTION WHEN THERE'S BUSES AND PARENTS PICKING UP KIDS AND KIDS DRIVING TO SCHOOL, I GET IT. 
          AND I HEAR YOU. 
          SO I'M NOT SOLD ON IT. 
          UH, TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. 
          MY OTHER COMMENT WAS THE APPLICANT MADE A COMMENT ABOUT, UH, THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN VACANT FOR 10 YEARS, UH, AND NOBODY'S PROPOSED ANYTHING. 
          I DON'T FIND THAT AS A REASON TO, UM, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF SOMETHING THAT'S NOT RIGHT FOR THIS PROPERTY. 
          I'D RATHER WAIT ANOTHER 10 TO GET THE RIGHT THING. 
          THAT'S RIGHT FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND, UM, I FEEL THIS IS THE WRONG, UH, USE AT THE, AT, AT THIS LOCATION, NOTHING AGAINST TITLE WAY FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          THERE IS A OTHER PLACES IN THE COUNTY THAT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE. 
          AND I, I CONCUR WITH STAFF'S, UH, REPORT. 
          THEREFORE I'LL BE VOTING AGAINST IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS LEADER. 
          I WOULD JUST ADD THAT, UH, WE DISCUSSED THE FACT THAT THERE'S TWO CAR WASHES RIGHT UP THE STREET THAT HAVE CLOSED. 
          AND THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT REASON, CONNIE TOO MANY CAR WASHES. 
          I JUST DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, WHEN THIS MANY PEOPLE COME OUT AND I HEARD THE COMMENT ABOUT HOW MANY RESIDENTS, BLAH, BLAH, BUT WHEN THIS MANY 
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PEOPLE COME OUT, THIS DETERMINANT MEANS SOMETHING TO ME. 
          SO I ALSO WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS. 
          I CONCUR WITH THE COMMENTS I, I FULL OF SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGE, UH, ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND IN THE PRESENTATION. 
          AND I THINK THE INFORMATION YOU PROVIDED, YOU ADDRESSED A LOT OF THE CONCERNS. 
          UH, I BELIEVE WITH THE NOISE WITH RELOCATING THE FACILITY. 
          I THINK YOU'VE DONE SOME, SOME DUE DILIGENCE THERE, BUT I THINK AS A COMMISSION, UH, WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO BALANCE, UH, PUBLIC INTEREST WITH THE INTEREST OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, AND IN THIS CASE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE PROPERTY BE MORE OF A PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED, UH, VILLAGE TYPE, UH, UH, IN DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, AND I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS THE WHITE, UM, OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT PROPERTY. 
          SO FOR THAT REASON, I, I CAN NOT SUPPORT MR. CRINER COMMISSIONER KING STOLE ALL MY THUNDER. 
          IT WAS A WONDERFUL SPEECH YOU GAVE, TOUCHED ON EVERY POINT I NEEDED TO TOUCH ON IT. 
          SORRY, I'LL SAVE HALF OF IT. 
          I WILL SAVE US ALL SOME TIME AND SAY I CONCUR. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UH, MR. HOLROYD LAST MONTH MADE SOME COMMENTS. 
          WILL THEY BE ENTERED INTO THE MINUTES FOR THIS MEETING OR WILL THEY, NO. 
          THOSE COMMENTS ARE IN THE, THE MEETING MINUTES FROM LAST, THE LAST MEETING, AS IT GOES FORWARD, WILL THEY STAY IN THE, DO THEY KNOW? BUT THE BOARD WILL GET COPIES OF ALL MEETING MINUTES. 
          SO THEY'LL HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THAT. 
          AND THE BOARD PACKAGE GOES OUT, UH, CAUSE HE WAS, HE WAS AGAINST THE APPLICATION IN THAT MEAN THAT WAS AND BOTTOM LINE THERE. 
          I ALSO, I, IF IT'S NOT IN THE, WHEN I FIRST SAW THE LAYOUT OF THE TUNNEL GOING OUT TO 17, I SAID, WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? CAUSE THAT WAS NOT WHAT I, WHAT I REMEMBER FROM THE PLAN THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE NOT PLANNED, BUT GENERALLY THEY DON'T OPEN UP TO THE MAJOR BUSINESS THOROUGHFARES. 
          AND SO I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          AND I GUESS IT COULD BE MOVED AROUND, BUT THE APPLICANT DECIDED NOT TO DO THAT. 
          AND SO THAT PUTS THE QUESTION IN MY MIND AND IT'S NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH COMP PLAN AS I UNDERSTAND IT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE TRAFFIC AND NOISE. 
          AND WHEN THEY WERE, WE, WE WERE TOLD THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A MEETING AND THAT MEETING NEVER TOOK PLACE BECAUSE I ASKED TO BE ON AS AN INVITE, EACH OF THAT MEETING AND IT NEVER HAPPENED. 
          AND THAT GOT ME. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON THERE, BUT IT DIDN'T, DIDN'T SIT REAL WELL WITH ME BOTTOM LINE THERE. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD LAND USE FOR THAT PARTIAL OF LAND IN YOUR ACCOUNTING. 
          SO I'M GOING TO BE AGAINST IT. 
          IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY. 
          UH, CAN I HEAR AN ATTAINED EMOTION FOR PC? I THINK IT'S 22 DASH 15 R FOR THE APPROVAL OF IT, UM, IN AN EFFORT TO GET VOTED ON, BUT NOT NECESSARILY TO APPROVE IT. 
          UM, I MOVE, WE, UH, VOTE ON PC 22 DASH 15. 
          OUR CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. 
          THE MOTION BY MR. CRINER IS TO ADOPT PC 23 DASH 15 ARE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE A CARWASH AT 54 40 MONTH. 
          GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY. 
          MR. TOLEDO. 
          NO, MR. KING, MR. CRINER. 
          NO. 
          MS. MR. SMITH. 
          NO. 
          MR. PETERMAN. 
          NO, MR. TITUS. 
          NO, THE MOTION FAILS. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WHEN WILL THIS GO TOWARDS THE, WELL, WE DON'T KNOW FOR CERTAIN IT WILL BE EITHER JULY 19TH OR AUGUST 16TH. 
          IF I WERE TO GUESS, I WOULD SAY AUGUST 16TH IS MORE LIKELY, OF COURSE, ONCE IT IS SCHEDULED, THE APPLICANT OF COURSE WILL BE NOTIFIED AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WILL RECEIVE THE NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING DATE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [Application No. UP-990-22, Barbara A. Toward]
UH, LET'S SEE. 
          WHAT'S UP NEXT APPLICATION NUMBER UPP 9 9 0 DASH 22. 
          MR. CROY. 
          YES. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE A DOG GROOMING. 
          HANG ON JUST A MINUTE. 
          PEOPLE WANTING TO GET OUT. 
          EVERYBODY LEAVES US NOW. 
          I DON'T OKAY. 
          PLEASE CONTINUE. 
          OKAY. 
          DOES APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE A DOG GROOMING FACILITY AS A HOME OCCUPATION? THE BUSINESS WOULD BE 
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ESTABLISHED IN THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOME LOCATED AT 600 PENNIMAN ROAD. 
          ESPECIAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED BECAUSE THE PROPOSED HOME OCCUPATION WOULD INVOLVE ON PREMISES, CUSTOMER, CLIENT CONTACT. 
          THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS ZONED R 13, WHICH IS HIGH DENSITY, SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL AS ARE THE SURROUNDING PARCELS. 
          THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN MIDDLETOWN FARM SUBDIVISION TO THE NORTH ARE TWO SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES. 
          ONE OF WHICH IS ACROSS A WINTHROP ROAD TO THE EAST IS ONE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOME TO THE SOUTH IS CSX RAILROAD TRACKS YORK STREET, UH, ACROSS PENNIMAN ROAD IN WILLIAMSBURG AND TO THE WEST IS WINTHROP ROAD AND ONE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOME BEYOND THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO OPERATE A DOG GROOMING FACILITY OUT OF HER EXISTING 242 SQUARE FOOT, UH, ATTACHED GARAGE. 
          ACCORDING TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, HOME OCCUPATIONS CANNOT OCCUPY MORE THAN 25% OF THE FLOOR AREA OF A RESIDENCE OR 400 SQUARE FEET. 
          WHICHEVER IS LESS. 
          THE APPLICANT'S HOME HAS A 1,246 SQUARE FEET OF FLOOR AREA. 
          UM, THE FLOOR PLAN SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT INDICATES THAT THE AREA PROPOSED FOR THE DOG GROOMING FACILITY WOULD BE ABOUT 19% OF THE TOTAL FLOOR AREA OF THE HOME. 
          THE GARAGE FLOOR PLAN SHOWS AN OPEN WORK AREA WITH STATIONS, COMPRISING, A WASH TUB GROOMING TABLE, AND A DOG CAGE BANK. 
          THE APPLICANT PLANS TO ADD INSULATION TO THE GARAGE, REMOVE THE EXISTING GARAGE DOOR AND ADD A STANDARD ENTRY DOOR IN HER NARRATIVE. 
          THE APPLICANT STATES, SHE WOULD GROOM FOUR TO FIVE DOGS PER DAY WITH STAGGERED APPOINTMENT TIMES LASTING BETWEEN ONE AND TWO HOURS. 
          EACH THE ZONING ORDINANCE LIMITS ALL CUSTOMER CLIENT CONTACT TO THE PERIOD BETWEEN 8:00 AM AND 8:00 PM. 
          MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED HOURS OF OPERATION ARE MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY FROM 9:00 AM TO 5:00 PM. 
          A CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN PROPOSED TO LIMIT OPERATION OF THE BUSINESS TO THESE HOURS. 
          OTHER PROPOSED CONDITIONS STIPULATE THAT NO PERSON OTHER THAN INDIVIDUALS RESIDING ON THE PREMISES SHALL BE ENGAGED IN THE HOME OCCUPATION AND THAT NOT MORE THAN ONE CUSTOMER AT A TIME SHALL BE SERVED WITHIN THE APPLICANT'S HOME. 
          FINALLY, THE ESTABLISHMENT MUST BE OPERATED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SKETCH PLAN NARRATIVE DESCRIPTION PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE. 
          OFF-STREET PARKING MUST MEET STANDARDS FOR THE BUSINESS USE. 
          IN ADDITION TO SPACES REQUIRED FOR THE RESIDENTIAL USE ON THE PROPERTY. 
          THE BUSINESS AND RESIDENTIAL USES REQUIRE TWO SPACES. 
          EACH FOR A TOTAL OF FOUR SPACES, THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY CAN ACCOMMODATE TWO SPACES PER THE ZONING ORDINANCE. 
          THE APPLICANT WILL BE REQUIRED TO INSTALL TWO ADDITIONAL SPACES CONSTRUCTED OF AN ALL-WEATHER SURFACE. 
          THE APPLICANT PLANS TO EXPAND THE DRIVEWAY TO THE LEFT OF THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY, WHERE THE APPLICANT AND HER FAMILY CURRENTLY PARKED IN THE GRASS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PETS, THE APPLICANT WILL GROOM PER DAY FOUR TO FIVE DOGS. 
          THE BUSINESS IS EXPECTED TO GENERATE EIGHT TO 10 VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY. 
          STAFF BELIEVE THIS WOULD NOT OVERBURDEN EITHER PENNIMAN ROAD, WHICH ACCORDING TO 2020 BEAT OUT ESTIMATES CARRIES ABOUT 2,700 VEHICLES PER DAY OR WINTHROP ROAD, WHICH CARRIES ABOUT 160 VEHICLES PER DAY. 
          IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE BOARD HAS APPROVED SEVERAL USE PERMITS FOR HOME OCCUPATIONS WITH CUSTOMER, CLIENT CONTACT. 
          NONE OF THESE HOME BUSINESSES HAVE GENERATED ANY REPORTED PROBLEMS OR COMPLAINTS FROM SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS WITH REGARD TO TRAFFIC OR ANY OTHER ASPECTS OF THEIR OPERATION. 
          BASED ON THE COUNTY'S HISTORY STAFF DOES NOT BELIEVE THE PROPOSED HOME BUSINESS WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THE PROPOSED HOME OCCUPATION WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE TYPE AND INTENSITY OF ACTIVITY APPROVED FOR OTHER HOME OCCUPATIONS IN THE COUNTY. 
          AND IT'S NOT LIKELY TO HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          STAFF BELIEVES THIS IS THAT THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS ARE SUFFICIENT TO ENSURE IT REMAINS A SMALL-SCALE OPERATION CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT OF THE HOME OCCUPATION PROVISIONS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE. 
          THEREFORE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS SET FORTH AND PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 22 DASH 17. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AND I'M HAPPY TO AS WELL IN THE QUESTIONS FROM A SCORE. 
          I HAVE ONE, JUST ONE COMMENT, MR. CHAIRMAN, PLEASE. 
          UM, I JUST, SOMETHING CAUGHT MY ATTENTION UNDER THE RECOMMENDATION THAT, UM, THIS, THE FIRST SENTENCE, THE PROPOSED HOME OCCUPATION COMMA PROVIDED THAT IS OPERATED IN A MANNER DESCRIBED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          IS THERE ANY INDICATION TO BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA OPERATE IT AS DESCRIBED? NO, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MR. KING BOILER PLATE LANGUAGE. 
          SO WE, WE HAVE AN IN ALL HOME OCCUPATION APPLICATIONS. 
          UH, THERE'S NOTHING PARTICULAR ABOUT THIS ONE THAT GENERATED. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT JUST CAUGHT MY ATTENTION. 
          I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT STAFF WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT MAYBE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
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UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE. 
          IS IT BOBBY COWARD? YES, SIR. 
          PLEASE COME FORWARD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. 
          AND YOU HAVE 10 MINUTES. 
          MY GOVERNMENT NAME OR MY, MY NAME IS BARBARA TOWER. 
          UM, MY ADDRESS IS AT 600 PENNIMAN ROAD AND WILLIAMSBURG, AND, UM, I HAVE BEEN OPERATING RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM WHERE MY HOME IS FOR ABOUT 12 YEARS. 
          AND I HAVE DOWN-SCALED OBVIOUSLY, CAUSE I'M GETTING A LITTLE LONDON, A LITTLE OLDER, I'M DOING LESS DOGS. 
          I HAVE A, UM, REGULAR BASE CLIENT LIST. 
          I PRE-BOOK OUT A YEAR IN ADVANCE AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET OUT OF THE SITUATION THAT I'M IN, UM, BECAUSE IT'S STRESSFUL FOR THE DOGS. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY IN THIS LITTLE SHOPPING CENTER THAT I'M IN I'M RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO O'REILLY'S. 
          UM, THERE'S A BARBERSHOP THERE AND THERE'S A, UM, LATIN FOOD STORE THING. 
          THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THE PARKING LOT, WHICH IS VERY DISTRACTING FOR THE DOGS. 
          UM, BUT, UM, AND I JUST HAD A BRAIN FART. 
          I'M SORRY, THIS FIRST TIME I'VE EVER DONE THIS, I'M NERVOUS. 
          UM, YEAH, WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO PUT IT TO THE HOME. 
          MY HUSBAND IS DISABLED AND HE'S AT HOME AND I WOULD FEEL BETTER IF I WAS AT HOME. 
          IF HE HAD SOME SORT OF A CRISIS THAT I COULD BE THERE. 
          CAUSE THERE'S BEEN OCCASIONS WHEN HE'S CALLED ME AT THE SHOP AND SAID SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED AND I'M LIKE, I CAN'T LEAVE. 
          I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE ANIMALS THAT ARE HERE. 
          I CAN'T LEAVE AND COME HOME AND HELP, YOU KNOW, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          SO, UM, I WOULD FEEL BETTER IF I WAS AT HOME WITH HIM AND ABLE TO BE AT MY HOUSE TO DO MY DOGS WHERE IT'S A QUIETER ENVIRONMENT TO MUM. 
          UM, I GUESS I HAVE 10 MINUTES. 
          I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 48 YEARS. 
          THIS IS THE SECOND TIME I'VE HAD A SHOP IN WILLIAMSBURG. 
          I MOVED OUT OF THE STATE FOR 10 YEARS AND THEN CAME BACK AND PRETTY MUCH PICKED UP WHERE I LEFT OFF. 
          I HAVE CUSTOMERS THAT HAVE BEEN WITH ME SINCE 1988. 
          UM, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY LOYAL, GOOD CUSTOMERS AND THEY KNOW WHERE I LIVE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. 
          SO IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL FOR THEM TO TRANSITION TO MY GARAGE. 
          UM, SO THEY ARE ACTUALLY KIND OF LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. 
          UM, PARDON ME. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL? ONE QUESTION, YES, SIR. 
          AS THE DOGS GET DROPPED OFF AT YOUR PLACE, DO THEY, YOU KNOW, DO YOU END UP WITH FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT DOGS? NEVER. 
          NO. 
          NOW WHAT HAPPENS IS WE MAKE PRESCHEDULED APPOINTMENTS, THEY BRING THEM IN, THEY DROP THEM OFF AND THEN THEY GO HOME AND THEN I CALL THEM WHEN THEY'RE DONE AND THEY COME BACK AND PICK THEM UP IS VERY, VERY SELDOM. 
          IS THERE ANY KIND OF AN OVERLAP, UNLESS FOR WHATEVER REASON, SOMEBODY HAS A CRISIS AND CAN'T GET THERE IN TIME, BUT THAT'S VERY SELDOM. 
          SO, SO A FOLLOW ON QUESTION. 
          I AM JUST ABOUT, IF YOU HAVE DOGS OF YOUR OWN, HOW MANY DOGS TOTAL AT ANY ONE TIME DO YOU EXPECT THE, ON YOUR PROPERTY? ON THE PROPERTY? FOUR AND FIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE DOGS. 
          I WOULD ASSUME YOU DID OTHERWISE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN IT WAS LIKE THREE, FOUR OR FIVE MINE OR YOURS AND THE CUSTOMERS. 
          WE HAVE FOUR, FIVE, WE HAVE FIVE CUSTOMERS AT THE MOST. 
          I HAVE TWO, TWO SETS OF DUAL DOGS AND SAME HAMMOCKS. 
          PARDON ME? COULD BE SEVEN DOGS ON THE PROPERTY. 
          YES, SIR. 
          PARTICULAR TIME. 
          YES, SIR. 
          I WAS JUST THINKING OF THE NOISE AND BARK, MY AMENDMENTS OR SNAILS OR ONLY ONE OF THEM. 
          I MEAN HE DRIVES MY NEIGHBORS CRAZY. 
          SOMETIMES SHE DOES, BUT YOU KNOW, OUR PERSONAL DOGS ARE A LITTLE YAPPY, THEY'RE LITTLE DOGS. 
          I DON'T DO NOISY DOGS IN MY SHOP. 
          SO YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT ARE CHRONIC BARKERS, I SCHEDULE AT THE VERY END OF THE DAY AT MY SHOP NOW. 
          AND THE DEAL IS YOU HAVE TO COME AND PICK THEM UP AS SOON AS THEY'RE DONE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THOSE PEOPLE UNFORTUNATELY, ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE AROUND THE CORNER WITH ME BECAUSE THAT'S NOT FAIR TO THE NEIGHBORS TO HAVE A DOG THAT BARKS IF THEY'RE REALLY COMING TO PICK IT UP. 
          SO I AM CONSIDERATE IN THAT MODE. 
          I DON'T LIKE MARKING DOG, SO DON'T GET ME WRONG. 
          SHE'S SWEET DOG. 
          BUT SHE DOES. 
          SHE IS. 
          YEAH, SHE ASKS. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. PEANUT, MAN. 
          UM, WHEN I WENT BY THERE THE OTHER DAY, I WAS CONFUSED WITH YOUR DRAWING AND WHAT I SAW WITH THE HOUSE. 
          AND WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE THE, THE GARAGE WHERE YOU GOING TO WORK ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE GARAGE, I GUESS IS THAT'S A BOAT GARAGE. 
          IT'S A BOAT GRADUATE WAS ORIGINALLY, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE USE IT FOR. 
          WE HAVE A VERY OLD TRUCK THAT WE GENERALLY PARKED IN THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I LEAN TO, I GUESS HE SAID, YEAH. 
          AND I WOULD HAVE TAUGHT IT, LOOKED AT THAT AS A BREEZEWAY, BUT THE BREEZEWAY ON YOUR DRAWING IS ON THE RIGHT BETWEEN 
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THE HOUSE AND THE GARAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S JUST AN EXTRA THING THAT THEY, THE PREVIOUS OWNER HAD PUT IN THERE BECAUSE THEY HAD A BOAT. 
          SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO USE THAT. 
          NO. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST, DO YOU HAVE, HAVE YOU TALKED WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS? OKAY. 
          SEVERAL OF MY NEIGHBORS ARE ACTUALLY CUSTOMERS OF MINE, SO YEAH, THEY'RE AWARE. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          THERE'S SOMETHING ATTACHED THAT I MISSED. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE WAS A SHORT PETITION A TIME THAT I COULD RUN AROUND AND GET I'M SORRY. 
          I DID READ THAT BEFORE. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR ME? NO COMMUNITY FROM THE COMMISSIONERS TO HER. 
          OKAY. 
          I THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE TOO. 
          IS THERE ANYONE NOW THAT'S THE END OF THE COMMENTS? LITTLE PIECES OF PAPER I HAVE. 
          IS, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE OUT THERE THAT WANTS TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS APPLICATION? SEEING NONE WE'LL CLOSE OUT THE PUBLIC AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT LOCALLY. 
          THERE IS ONE QUESTION I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO MS. A DOG KENNEL. 
          DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY, WHAT'S THE BREAK POINT THERE? WE HAVE A DOG KENNEL VERSUS, YOU KNOW, JUST DOGS IN THE HOUSE. 
          UH, IT CAN MEAN NEED TO DEFER TO A DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR THAT. 
          I JUST SAY ROUGH QUESTION. 
          UM, I THINK YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE UP TO FOUR OR FIVE, UH, DOGS AS PERSONAL PETS. 
          SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          I WAS JUST CURIOUS. 
          CAUSE I, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO LOOK AT HOME OCCUPATIONS, I THOUGHT IT CAN COME UP ONE TIME, BUT I MAY BE WRONG. 
          I WAS JUST, JUST CURIOUS WHAT THAT BREAK POINT WAS. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY COMMENTS HERE? NO, NO, NO, NO GOOD COMMENTS HERE. 
          LET'S CLOSE THE APPLICATION AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, WAS IT PC 22 DAYS 17. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE MOVE PC 2217 FOR APPROVAL. 
          OKAY. 
          PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. 
          THE MOTION BY MR. SMITH IS TO ADOPT PC 22 DASH 17 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE A DOG GROOMING FACILITY AT 600 PENNAMEN ROAD. 
          MR. KING. 
          YES. 
          MR. CRINER, MR. SMITH. 
          MR. PETERMAN. 
          YES. 
          MR. MYTH BELIEVED HIM. 
          YES. 
          MR. TITAN? YES, THE MOTION PASSES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND YOU'LL GO BEFORE THE BOARD IN AUGUST MAYBE. 
          WELL, WELL IT WOULD BE AGAIN EITHER JULY 19TH OR AUGUST 16TH. 
          THAT'S WHEN MIKE MIGHT ACTUALLY GO TO THE JULY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          [Application No. UP-991-22, Merit Anglin]
UP NEXT IS APPLICATION NUMBER UPC 9 9 1 DASH 22. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          YES, A EUROPEAN 909 1 22 MERIT, ENGLAND, ENGLAND, EXCUSE ME. 
          A TOURIST HOME AND EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING AT 3 21 OAK TREE ROAD. 
          UH, THIS IS IN THE UPPER COUNTY, UM, OFF OAK TREE. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY HIGHLIGHTED THERE IN RED. 
          IT'S A 6.3 ACRE PROPERTY, UH, ZONED RR. 
          UH, RR IS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, ACROSS OAK TREE IS A VACANT, UH, GENERAL BUSINESS PROPERTY. 
          AND THEN TO THE REAR IS RC, WHICH IS THE WILLIAMSBURG, UH, RESERVOIR BACK THERE. 
          UH, THIS IS THE PROPERTY SHOWN IN ARIEL. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY VERY LONG. 
          UM, HAS TWO ADJACENT, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UH, TO THE EAST. 
          UH, THE APPLICANTS ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE REAR, UH, PROPERTY. 
          UH, THERE ARE NO OTHER DEVELOPMENTS ON ANY OTHER SIDE. 
          UH, THE CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG OWNS THIS PROPERTY AND THE PROPERTY BEYOND THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THEN, UH, THE PROPERTY ALONG, UH, UH, EAST ROSHAMBO AND, AND PARALLEL. 
          AND ALSO OAK TREE ROAD IS GENERAL BUSINESS, BUT THERE'S NO DEVELOPMENT THERE CURRENTLY, UH, JUST ZOOMING IN A LITTLE BIT. 
          I WANTED TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE HOUSE, IT SITS RIGHT ON, UH, OAK TREE ROAD AND THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY, UH, WHERE THEY LIVE CURRENTLY IS JUST RIGHT DOWN THE DRIVEWAY. 
          UH, NEXT, NEXT DOOR. 
          UH, THEY, THEY OWN IT. 
          AND, UM, THAT THEY'RE NOT VERY FAR AWAY. 
          THEY'RE AT 3, 1 7 OAK TREE ROAD. 
          UH, THIS IS, UH, THE PICTURE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UH, OAK TREE ROAD IS TO MY LEFT HAND SIDE. 
          THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT'S ADJACENT IS TO THE RIGHT PAST THE DRIVEWAY. 
          AND THERE'S SEVERAL TREES BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES. 
          UH, YOU CAN SEE THE DRIVEWAY 
          [01:15:01]
HERE, NICE FRONT PORCH. 
          UM, IT IS A, A ONE STORY WITH A WALK-OUT BASEMENT OR A BASEMENT THAT WALKS OUT TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. 
          THIS IS THAT ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. 
          UH, THE DRIVEWAY TO THE APPLICANT'S CURRENT RESIDENCE IS JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT. 
          THE COUNTY'S ASSESSOR RECORDS SHOWED THAT THE SUBJECT DWELLING AS A 1200 SQUARE FOOT, UM, BUILDING, IT HAS THREE BEDROOMS, TWO BATHROOMS, AND OPEN LIVING ROOM, KITCHEN AREA, A LAUNDRY ROOM AND A FULL BATHROOM AND THE BASEMENT. 
          THERE'S ALSO A PORCH ON THE FRONT, UH, RAISED SCREENED IN PORCH ON THE REAR AND OFFENSED IN BRICK PATIO, JUST UNDERNEATH THAT PORCH DIRECTLY OUTSIDE OF THE BACK OF THE STRUCTURE, UH, THIS, THE FLOOR PLANS SHOW, SHOW BOTH OF THOSE. 
          AND IT ALSO SHOWS THE PAVED DRIVEWAY AREAS, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT HERE. 
          UH, THEY, THE APPLICANTS HAVE A 15 FOOT WIDE ASPHALT DRIVEWAY THAT LEADS BACK TO A 15 BY 20 FOOT PARKING AREA ON THE SOUTHERN SOUTHEASTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UH, THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES A ONE PARKING SPACE PLUS ONE FOR EVERY SLEEPING ROOM. 
          SO WITH THREE BEDROOMS, THEY WOULD NEED THREE PLUS ONE. 
          SO FOUR PARKING SPACES, TOTAL, UH, WHICH THEY CAN, THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE VERY EASILY ON THIS PROPERTY, UH, WITHIN THE DRIVEWAY AND ON THE PARKING PATCH OF THE REAR, UH, THIS PROPERTY, THIS IS A WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL. 
          UH, SO THE, THE APPLICANTS WOULD RESIDE NEARBY, BUT, AND BE PRESENT DURING ALL THE RENTALS, BUT IT WOULD BE THE WHOLE HOUSE. 
          UH, THEY WOULDN'T ALLOW A MAXIMUM OF SIX GUESTS FOR A MINIMUM OF THREE TO 14 NIGHTS. 
          UH, THEY WOULD NOT, THEY DO NOT WANT ANY KIND OF SIGNAGE OR ANYTHING ON THAT. 
          SO THERE'S NO CHANGES TO THE EXTERIOR EXTERIOR OF THE RESIDENTIAL HOME. 
          UH, THE CLOSEST CURRENT STR IS ON TOM THOMAS ROAD, WHICH IS ABOUT 1.6 MILES AWAY. 
          THE BLACK.IS THE CURRENT SITE UNDER REVIEW AND THE GREEN.IS DOWN BY TOM AND THOMAS. 
          SO YOU WOULD GO DOWN AND YOU SHOW SHAMBO CROSSOVER BARLOW ROAD. 
          AND TOM THOMAS IS RIGHT THERE. 
          UM, AS YOU CROSS OVER THE INTERSTATE, UM, THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2019, AND THAT IS A WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL ALSO, UM, AVERAGE TRIP GENERATION FOR A SINGLE FAMILY. 
          HOME IS 9.4. 
          UH, THERE IS NO SHORT-TERM RENTALS THERE IN THAT, UM, IN THE ITE MANUAL. 
          SO, UH, CLOSEST ONES ARE TIMESHARES OR MOTEL ROOMS, WHICH ARE MUCH LESS TRAFFIC GENERATORS THAN EVEN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. 
          UH, SO WE AS STAFF DON'T FEEL THEY'LL BE ANY NOTICEABLE IMPACT ON OAK TREE ROAD, WHICH CARRIES ABOUT 260 VEHICLES PER DAY, WHICH ISN'T VERY HIGH BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE. 
          UH, ONE UNIQUE THING ABOUT THIS APPLICATION IS IT DOES NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC UTILITY, SO THERE'S NO PUBLIC WATER SEWER. 
          THEY HAVE A SEPTIC SYSTEM AND A WELL, UM, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND THE COUNTY KEEPS RECORDS OF SEPTIC TANKS. 
          AND WHEN THEY'RE PUMPED LAST TIME, THIS ONE WAS PUMPED AS IS IN DECEMBER OF 2021. 
          SO JUST RECENTLY, UH, BECAUSE THE COUNTY WANTS TO MAKE SURE THOSE ARE PUMPED EVERY FIVE YEARS. 
          SO THEY KEEP A TALLY OF THAT. 
          UH, THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH RECOMMENDED FOR THESE KINDS OF USES, UH, THAT THEY DO SOME KIND OF CERTIFICATION OF THE SEPTIC SYSTEM. 
          SO THEY SUGGESTED A CERTIFIED PLUMBER CHECK THE SUBSTANCE SESSION SYSTEM TO MAKE SURE THEY INVESTIGATE THE LOOK AND LOCATE AND DETERMINE THE CONDITION OF THE SYSTEM. 
          UM, AND THAT WOULD THAT'S. 
          AND THAT'S BEEN A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WE ADDED TO THE RESOLUTION, AS WELL AS A CHECK ON THE WA WELL SYSTEM TO JUST MAKE SURE THE WATER QUALITY IS WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. 
          UH, SO BOTH OF THOSE ARE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. 
          UH, OTHER CONDITIONS INCLUDE THAT ACT NOT BE PRESENT NO MORE THAN SIX GUESTS, UH, STAYS NO MORE THAN BETWEEN TWO AND 14 NIGHTS, NO SIGNAGE ON THERE. 
          AND THAT THE APPLICATION WOULD, UM, CEASE IF THEY SOLD THE PROPERTY OR THEY MOVED AWAY FROM THEIR CURRENT RESIDENCE. 
          UM, NEXT DOOR, BASICALLY THIS AREA IS VERY SPARSELY DEVELOPED. 
          UM, A LOT OF THE ANT LAND IS OWNED BY A CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG. 
          UM, THERE'S JUST NOT MUCH DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE. 
          SO, UH, WE FEEL THAT, UH, WITH THE APPLICANT BEING ONE OF THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS, UH, THERE'S JUST NOT AN IMPACT ON THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY AND WITH THEM BEING THERE TO BE ABLE TO MONITOR GUESTS BEHAVIOR, UH, THIS IS A VERY GOOD PLACE FOR THIS KIND OF USE. 
          SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND WE'VE GIVEN YOU, UH, THE RESOLUTION PC 22 DASH 18. 
          IF YOU'D LIKE TO CONSIDER THAT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AT THIS TIME. 
          HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. ANDERSON JUST TO CONFIRM. 
          SO THERE'S NO RESIDENTS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY. 
          THERE'S ONE, THERE ARE TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          IF YOU'RE FACING THE HOUSE THERE ON THE RIGHT, THERE'S ONE THAT'S DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR, AND THEN THE APPLICANT'S HOUSE IS BEHIND THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE APPLICANT DOESN'T OWN THOSE THREE, IT'S JUST THE TWO, THEY OWN TWO. 
          [01:20:01]
CORRECT. 
          AND WE RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THAT RESIDENT. 
          UH, YOU GOT A LETTER TONIGHT THAT THE, THEY ARE IN SUPPORT. 
          MR. PETER MINAZ IF YOU DIDN'T GET YOUR REVIEW, READ THERE. 
          SORRY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M GLAD YOU, I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT I DIDN'T CONNECT THE DOTS AND THE AFRICANA'S HERE. 
          GOTCHA. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEP. 
          I HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, SO, ALL RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE. 
          MERIT, ANGELA, ANGELA, PLEASE COME FORWARD. 
          PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOU HAVE 10 MINUTES. 
          MY NAME IS MERRITT ANGLIN. 
          I LIVE AT THREE 17 OAK TREE ROAD AND, UM, WE PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY. 
          UH, WAS IT 12TH, 2009. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN LIVING THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME. 
          UM, AND, UH, WE, UH, ORIGINALLY PURCHASED THIS HOME, UM, TO, UH, UH, WELL OBVIOUSLY TO, UH, SAVE THE CHASE TO THE LEFT, BUT THEN ALSO TO, UH, SET IT ASIDE FOR AN INLAND SUITE FOR OUR PARENTS. 
          MY PARENTS ARE GERMAN. 
          SO WHEN THEY COME, THEY COME FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. 
          UM, AND, UH, ESPECIALLY, UH, UNDER CODE DURING COVID, WE THOUGHT THAT THIS WOULD BE A GREAT, UH, WAY TO STILL CONNECT WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS HAVE THEM CLOSE, BUT NOT TOO CLOSE. 
          AND SO, UH, WE THOUGHT WE MIGHT, UH, SINCE IT'S GOING TO BE OCCUPIED MOST OF THE TIME BY FRIENDS AND FAMILY, WE MIGHT SUPPLEMENT OUR MORTGAGE BY RENTING IT OUT SHORT TERM. 
          UM, SO IT WAS NEVER INTENDED FOR A LONG-TERM RENTAL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, BUT JUST SHORT TERM IN BETWEEN VISITS. 
          UM, AND, UH, YEAH, SO FOR THAT PURPOSE, WE'VE INVESTED QUITE A BIT IN MAKING IT WELL, NOT FOR THAT RENTAL, BUT, UM, FOR OUR FAMILY. 
          SO IT'S, UM, WE RENOVATED EVERYTHING TO MAKE IT LOOK NICE FOR, UH, HIS, HIS FAMILY'S MOSTLY INFLUENT. 
          I'M LOSING MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT, BUT IT'S FAMILIES MOSTLY IT'S FOUR, THEY'RE SPREAD ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          THEY'RE FROM THE MEXICO, FLORIDA FOR THEM TO TRAVEL. 
          THEY ALSO COME FOR A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          UM, SO I GUESS THE POINT BEING, UM, UH, WHEN WE WOULD RENT IT, WE WOULD BE VERY PICKY ABOUT WHO WE'RE RENTING IT TO. 
          UM, AND, UH, I, UH, WAS DOING RESEARCH AND I CHOSE AIRBNB AS A POTENTIAL, UH, FORUM TO SCREEN APPLICANTS, I GUESS IT WAS REVIEWED WITH THE BOARDS. 
          AND, UM, YOU CAN NARROW IT DOWN TO PEOPLE. 
          UH, THEY HAVE TO CONTACT YOU PRIOR. 
          SO YOU CAN REALLY BE VERY CAREFUL AS TO WHO YOU LET INTO YOUR HOME, UM, UH, AND WHO YOU DO NOT. 
          SO, UH, THIS WOULD BE A VERY CLOSELY OBSERVED RENTAL AS THOSE OF YOU WHO CHOSE TO STOP BY. 
          I NOTICED, I THINK I, I PRETTY MUCH FOUND ALL OF YOU RIGHT AWAY, SO IT'S NOT MUCH THAT THAT WOULD BE MISSED. 
          AND OUR NEIGHBOR IS VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF IT. 
          SHE WANTED TO COME AND SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE TWO, BUT SHE COULDN'T. 
          UM, SO SHE FELT THE LETTER, SMALL GROUPS WITH PEOPLE NO MORE THAN SIX. 
          WE SAID, WE THOUGHT, UH, WE INTENDED THIS MOSTLY TO BE MAYBE FOR SMALL FAMILIES, LIKE A FAMILY WITH FOUR CHILDREN. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THE ONLY QUESTION I DID HAVE, SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE THERE OCCUPIED ANYTIME THAT IT'S RENTED. 
          SO THERE, THERE WOULD NOT LIKE IF YOU'RE OUT ON VACATION OR THAT TYPE OF THING, YOU WOULD NOT BE WITH THIRD PARTY. 
          I ALSO FOUND THAT YOU CAN BLOCK OUT ALL KINDS OF TIMES, SO WE'D BE HAPPY TO BLOCK OUT TIME, SOMEWHERE PLANNING TO BE AWAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THERE WASN'T LIKE A THIRD PARTY THAT YOU WOULD LEAN ON. 
          NO, NO. 
          IT'S NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          THAT WOULD BE US. 
          GOTCHA. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CRINER. 
          MORE QUESTIONS. 
          GOOD. 
          GOOD. 
          HEY QUESTION. 
          HUH? EIGHT QUESTIONS. 
          I MAYBE I'M MISSING. 
          DIDN'T HEAR. 
          DO YOU HAVE AN OPERATIONS PLAN? I, I KNOW I, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT DOWN ON RECORD. 
          DID YOU HAVE ONE FAMILY COMING IN? YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THREE SEPARATE FAMILIES, SO YEAH. 
          YOU MENTIONED YEAH. 
          ONE FAMILY UNIT AT A TIME. 
          UM, AND DON'T DRAG. 
          I CAN STIPULATE THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          GOD. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, UM, WE'D BE DOING THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME, SO I'M SURE IT'S A LEARNING CURVE, BUT A LITTLE OPERATIONS PLAN BUSINESS KIND OF PLAN MAY MAKE JUST FOR YOURSELF. 
          OKAY. 
          IT MAY BE HELPFUL TO WRITE THOSE THINGS DOWN AND POSTED ON THE WALL OR SOME FINALS. 
          OKAY. 
          W WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN, UH, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT. 
          CAN YOU, THERE'S A HOUSE RULE SECTION TOO. 
          ON THAT AIRBNB WEBSITE, YOU CAN MAKE, YOU CAN MAKE, MAKE THE RULES FOR HOUSEHOLD ON THAT. 
          SO A LOT OF APPLICATIONS WE SEE HAVE THOSE KINDS OF RULES DOWN. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          CLOSE PUBLIC MEETING COMING IN HERE. 
          LET'S START OVER HERE. 
          THE STRATEGICS, MR. SMITH, 
          [01:25:01]
MR. CRIER CHECKS ALL THE BOXES FROM SUPPORT MISLEAD. 
          YOU NEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANYBODY. 
          OH, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE OUT THERE THAT WE SHOULD SPEAK CNN? OKAY. 
          NOW I CAN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE CAN TALK. 
          I'LL JUST ASSUME THAT, AND WE'LL COME DOWN THIS THING, NOTHING ON THIS SIDE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS DID IT OR NOT, BUT WHEN I WENT UP AND LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY, WHEN I DROVE IN THERE, I BET I SAT THERE FOR MAYBE FIVE MINUTES AND I HAD ALMOST A KNOCK ON THE WINDOW AND SAY, WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE? YEAH. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE SPOT ON. 
          AND KEEPING TRACK OF THE STUFF, MR. CRINER ALREADY USED MY CHECK. 
          THE BOXES. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE'RE GETTING BACK AT YA FOR, UH, FOR EARLIER. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          YEAH, IT HAS ALL THOSE BOXES DOWN THROUGH THERE, ALL THE NOISE, TRAFFIC DENSITY, ALL THAT STUFF. 
          IT SOLVED AND CHECKED OFF. 
          UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE, UH, PC 2218 FORWARD TO THE FOUR SUPERVISORS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          PLEASE CALL HER UP THE MOTION BY MR. CRINER IS UP PC 22 DASH 18 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZED YOUR TRUTHS, TOME AND 3 21 OAK TREE ROAD. 
          MR. CRINER. 
          YES. 
          MR. SMITH. 
          MR. PENRHYN. 
          MS. LEDA. 
          YES. 
          MR. KING, MR. TITUS, THE MOTION PASSES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND AGAIN, I GO TO BOARD AUGUST, JULY, AUGUST, SOMETIME SEND, YOU TOLD ME SO MANY TIMES I WAS LEAVING THAT OUT AND YOU JUST MEET. 
          SO THAT'S THE REASON I'M MAKING SURE I ASKED THAT QUESTION WITH EVERY APPLICATION, WHATEVER APPLICATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UP NEXT 
          [Application No. UP-994-22, Riverside Heating and Air Conditioning]
IS  9 9 4 DAYS 22. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS A APPLICATION FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A CONTRACTOR SHOP WITH OUTSIDE STORAGE, OUTDOOR STORAGE AT 85 29, GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY VICINITY MAP OF THE AREA APPLICANT'S PROPERTY IS HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE. 
          UM, IT'S SURROUNDED BY A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. 
          UM, CLIFF'S AUTO RE REPAIR IS ADJACENT TO THE SOUTH. 
          UM, ON THE FAR SIDE OF ROUTE 17 DIRECTLY ACROSS IS THE YORKTOWN PUBLIC LIBRARY AND SERVICEMASTER, UH, HOME RESTORATION SERVICE BEYOND, UM, COCKLE TOWN ROAD, UH, IS A COUPLE OF, UH, NON-CONFORMING SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS LOCATED WITHIN THE, UH, GB, UH, GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND TO THE NORTHWEST AND THE WEST. 
          UM, OUR HOMES WITHIN THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITHIN THE EDGE HILL SUBDIVISION PROPERTY IS ZONED GB GENERAL BUSINESS, UM, TO THE WESTERN AND NORTHWEST IS, ARE 20 MEDIUM DENSITY, SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL. 
          IT'S ALSO SUBJECT TO THE PROVISIONS OF THE ROUTE 17 CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT, AND IS ALSO LOCATED WITHIN THE WATERSHED MANAGEMENT AND PROTECTION AREA OVERLAY BECAUSE OF THE FACT IT'S LOCATED WITHIN THE HARWOOD'S MIDDLE RESERVOIR DRAINAGE AREA, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THE PROPERTY FOR GENERAL BUSINESS SCENARIO, PHOTOGRAPH, UM, OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UH, ONE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT IS THE, UH, EXISTING DENSE VEGETATION ALONG THE BACK AND ALONG COCKLE TOWN ROAD IN BETWEEN, UH, WHERE THE, THE BUSINESS WOULD BE IN AND, UH, ADJACENT RESIDENCES. 
          AND THERE, HE WOULD ALSO BE SUB THE APPLICANT. 
          WHAT ELSE WOULD BE SUBJECT TO A 35 FOOT TRANSITIONAL BUFFER ACROSS BOTH THOSE BOUNDARIES SHOW THE GRAPHIC OF THAT IN THE MOMENT, PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE AREA, THIS IS STANDING ON THE LIBRARY, PARCEL LOOKING ACROSS THE STREET AT THE APPLICANT'S PARCEL, THE CARS ARE JUST SEE PARKED OVER ON THE LEFT. 
          THERE IS A CLIFFS AUTO REPAIR LOOKING NORTH, UM, DOWN ROUTE 17 AND THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, UH, LIBRARY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, UH, AND CLIPS. 
          AND THIS IS STANDING ROUGHLY IN THE CENTER OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY, LOOKING ACROSS 17 LIBRARY, UM, TO THE RIGHT AND SERVICE MASTER TO THE LEFT, LOOKING AT, UH, FOR THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE AGAINST CLIFFS AND LOOKING TO THE, THIS IS THE ALONG THE REAR BOUNDARY OF THEIR PROPERTY. 
          AS I NOTED HEAVY, UH, HEAVY 
          [01:30:01]
VEGETATION ALONG THERE AND LOOKING TOWARD HUCKLE TOWN ROAD, AGAIN, PRETTY HEAVY VEGETATION ACROSS MOST OF THE FRONTAGE THERE, STANDING ON THE CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, UH, ACROSS COCKLE TOWN ROAD TO THE NON-CONFORMING RESIDENTS. 
          I MENTIONED, AND THIS IS LOOKING DOWN COCKLE TONE, COCKLE TOWN ROAD, UM, APPLICANT'S PROPERTY TO THE LEFT PROPERTY CORNER CORNERS, ROUGHLY WHERE THAT TELEPHONE POLE IS THAT UTILITY POLE ON THE LEFT SIDE THERE, UM, ON TACO TOWN, LOOKING TOWARD THE REAR OF THOSE NON-CONFORMING HOUSES, ADJACENT HOUSE ACROSS COCKLE TOWN. 
          THIS IS STANDING AT THE CORNER OF HARRIS GROVE APPLICANTS ON SITE PROPERTY THERE. 
          AND THIS IS, UH, ALONG THE REAR BOUNDARY OF THE HOUSE THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY PROPERTY LINE IS ROUGHLY, ROUGHLY ABOUT WHERE THAT UTILITY CABINET IS JUST TO THE APPLICANT SKETCH PLAN, UH, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, WHICH CONSISTS OF A 8,400 SQUARE FOOT CONTRACTOR'S SHOP WITH WAREHOUSE AND OFFICES ON 2.2 ACRES OF LAND WITH A APPROXIMATELY 7,000 SQUARE FOOT OUTDOOR STORAGE YARD. 
          AND, UH, THIS IS THE REASON FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          UH, IF HE DID NOT HAVE THE OUTSIDE STORAGE, THIS WHOLE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE ALLOWED AS A MATTER OF RIGHT WOULDN'T NEED TO BE BEFORE YOU, THE, UH, OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA WOULD BE SCREENED IN CLOSED BY EIGHT FOOT SOLID OPAQUE FENCE. 
          IT WOULD BE SUPPLEMENTED WITH EVERGREEN TREES AROUND THE OUTSIDE. 
          THE IS SHOWING A BAY DOOR, UM, AT THE WESTERN END OF THE BUILDING. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE SCREENED, UH, AS IS REQUIRED BY THE ROUTE 17 OVERLAY, UH, REQUIREMENTS WITH, UH, THE TRANSITIONAL BUFFER AND ALSO PLANTING THAT'LL BE REQUIRED ALONG THE ROUTE 17 FRONTAGE OF THEIR PROPERTY. 
          THEY ARE PROPOSING TWO INTERCONNECTED DRIVEWAYS OFF OF COCKLE TOWN ROAD OF WHICH WE'LL NEED TO MEET V DOT ACCESS REQUIREMENTS. 
          THE APPLICANT HAD INITIALLY SUBMITTED A SKETCH PLAN THAT SHOWED THE DRIVEWAY, UH, GOING OUT TO ROUTE 17, UH, VIA DOTTED. 
          IT INDICATED THAT, UM, IT DOES NOT MEET SPACING REQUIREMENTS. 
          THERE HAS TO BE A MINIMUM DISTANCE BETWEEN A NEW DRIVEWAY, EXISTING DRIVEWAYS AND AN INTERSECTION LIKE HUCKLE TACO TOWN ROW, WHICH IS, UH, FOR A ROAD THAT CARRIES A TRAFFIC UP ROUTE 17 WOULD BE 500 FEET. 
          SO HE COULDN'T MEET THOSE SPACING REQUIREMENTS. 
          AND, UH, VIA THAT INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO, UH, HAVE THEIR ACCESS ON COCKLE TOWN ROAD AT THE EXACT LOCATION. 
          AND, UM, WITH THE DRIVEWAYS WOULD BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH, UH, V DOT ACCESS REQUIREMENTS THAT DRIVEWAY THE LEFT-HAND DRIVEWAY, THERE IS ACTUALLY GOING TO NEED TO BE NARROW THE NARROWER THAN WHAT IS SHOWN THE ERRAND AS PART OF THEIR SITE PLAN APPROVAL. 
          THEY WOULD NEED TO SUBMIT ENGINEERING DRAWINGS THAT VETO WOULD REVIEW AND APPROVE. 
          THERE ARE 12 PARKING SPACES REQUIRED FOR THE USE, AND THEY'VE GOT MORE THAN ENOUGH ROOM ON THE PROPERTY TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE REQUIRED LANDSCAPING. 
          UH, AS I MENTIONED, 35 FOOT TRANSITIONAL BUFFERS ALONG COCKLE TOWN ROAD, FRONTAGE, AND 35 FOOT TRANSITIONAL BUFFER ACROSS THE BACK WHERE IT IS ADJACENT TO THE  ZONING DISTRICT IN DEFERENCE TO THE NON-PERFORMING RESIDENTS. 
          ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, UH, COCKLED TOWN UP BY THE, UH, ROUTE 17 INTERCHANGE HERE, WE, UM, HAD PROPOSED WE'RE PROPOSING A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT, THAT 35 FOOT TRANSITIONAL BUFFER CARRY THE FULL LENGTH OF HOCKEYTOWN TOWN ROAD. 
          AND THE APPLICANT INDICATED THEY ARE AMENABLE TO THAT. 
          IN ADDITION, UH, LANDSCAPING WILL BE REQUIRED 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE YARD ALONG 17, AND ALSO A 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE YARD ALONG THE SIDE YARD AGAINST, UH, WHERE CLIFF SITS. 
          AND THE APPLICANT IS SHOWING A STORMWATER BMP AREA, UH, IN THE BACK CORNER OF THE SITE, THE EXACT LOCATION SIZE OF THAT IT'LL BE TURNED, UH, BE DETERMINED WHEN ENGINEERING, UH, STORMWATER ENGINEERING PLANS ARE, ARE, UH, DONE DURING SITE PLAN REVIEW TRAFFIC IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS. 
          THIS, UH, THIS USE THIS TYPE OF USE WOULD CARRY APPROXIMATELY 82.5 WEEKDAY AVERAGE VEHICLE TRIPS. 
          WEEKDAY MORNING PEAK WOULD BE 13.9 
          [01:35:02]
AND WEEKDAY EVENING PEAK HOURS WOULD BE 16.2 COURTNEY TO A V DOT TRAFFIC COUNTS ROUTE. 
          THIS SECTION OF ROUTE 17 HAS AN AVERAGE DAILY VEHICLE COUNT OF 22,000 VEHICLES AND COCKLE TOWN ROAD AS AN AVERAGE COUNT OF 430 VEHICLES TYPES OF VEHICLES ACCESSING THE SITE, THE COMPANY VEHICLES WOULD INCLUDE PICKUP TRUCKS, STANDARD VANS AND TRANSIT FANS WOULD ALSO BE A COMMERCIAL DELIVERY VEHICLES, UPS, FEDEX TRUCKS, AS WELL AS OCCASIONAL TRACTOR TRAILER TRUCKS. 
          AND THE MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO COME FROM 17 DOWN TO SHORT STRETCH OF COCK OUT COCKLE TOWN TO THE DRIVEWAYS FOR THE BUSINESS. 
          THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY TRAFFIC WITHIN EDGE HILL EXCEPT POSSIBLY UPS TRUCK OR, UH, A COMPANY VEHICLE THAT WOULD BE SERVICING, UH, HOUSES IN THAT, IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A COUPLE OF CONCEPTUAL ELEVATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED BUILDING. 
          UH, HE IS THE, UH, CONTRACT PURCHASER. 
          SO HE DOES NOT HAVE A DETAILED ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS AT THIS POINT. 
          SO THESE ARE A COUPLE OF, UM, CONCEPTUAL EXAMPLES, UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ROUTE 17 OVERLAY DISTRICT, THEY WOULD BE LIMITED TO A NUMBER OF COLORS THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED OUT THERE AS WELL AS FACADE MATERIALS, UM, LIMITED TO STONE, UM, BRICK OR WOOD, OR, UM, COMPOSITES LIKE A HARDY PLANK IN, UH, THESE WOULD MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS, PROPOSED APPROVAL CONDITIONS. 
          THERE'D BE MONUMENT TYPE BUSINESS ID SIGN ON 17. 
          UH, THAT WOULD BE DESIGNED WITH MATERIALS THAT ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE, UM, BUILDINGS. 
          THE BUILDING AT THE OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA WOULD BE SCREENED WITH SOLID OPAQUE FENCING SUPPLEMENTED BY EVERGREEN TREES OR ALONG THE OUTSIDE, AND NO STORAGE MATERIALS VISIBLE ABOVE THE FENCING, THE VEHICLE ACCESS TO ME V DOT MINIMUM OUT STANDARDS, TYPE 35, TRANSITIONAL BUFFER ALONG THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF COCKLE TOWN ROAD AND FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS AS PER THEIR REQUESTS, ADEQUATE WATER SUPPLY AND FIRE HYDRANTS, ADEQUATE EMERGENCY VEHICLE AND APPARATUS ACCESS, AND A HAZARD MATERIALS CONTINGENCY PLAN THAT WOULD BE SUBMITTED IN CONCLUSION OF THIS WOULD FILL A VACANT COMMERCIAL SPACE. 
          SO IT WOULD HAVE A POSITIVE ECONOMIC IMPACT. 
          THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE BUFFERING ALONG KUNKLETOWN ROAD. 
          OUTDOOR STAIRWAY STORAGE AREA WOULD BE SCREENED FROM VIEW OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. 
          AND IT CONFORMS WITH COMPREHENSIVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE GB DISTRICT, WHICH INCLUDES COMMERCIAL SERVICE BUSINESSES, UH, AND IMPROVED ROUTE 17 STREETSCAPE. 
          WE WOULD HAVE A LOT OF NEW LANDSCAPING ALONG 17 AND ALSO IN BETWEEN THEIR PROPERTY AND, AND CLIFFS THAT WOULD ENHANCE THE AREA. 
          AND THEREFORE WE WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL IN ACCORDANCE WITH RESOLUTION PC 22 DASH 19. 
          I DO WANT TO NOTE, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE IMMEDIATE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE WAS ALSO SENT OUT TO THE EDGE HILL HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. 
          UH, WE ONLY RECEIVED ONE INQUIRY FROM, UM, A RESIDENT IN EDGE HILL WHO HAD ASKED ABOUT MAINTAINING THE TREES ALONG KUNKLETOWN ROAD. 
          AND I HAD A RESPONSE, I GAVE THEM INFORMATION ABOUT THE 35 FOOT TRANSITIONAL BUFFER THAT WOULD BE MAINTAINED THERE. 
          AND ALSO THEY, UH, QUESTIONED ABOUT DRIVEWAYS ON 17 AS OPPOSED TO COCKLE TOWN, WHICH IT'S INDICATED THAT WOULDN'T WORK. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WITH THAT, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL. 
          QUESTIONS, A FEW, UM, THE COVER THE DRIVEWAY AGAIN. 
          SO WE'RE, SO THAT THE DRIVE WILL BE OFF OF COPPER TOWN ROAD, NOT OFF OF 17. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND SO HOW DOES THAT, THE BUFFER GOING ALONG THAT ROAD, WHICH WE ACTUALLY, ONE OF YOUR CONDITIONS IS THAT WE HAVE ADDITIONAL BUFFER FOR THAT PARTICULAR FOR THE NON-CONFORMING DWELLING, BUT THAT ALSO SHOWS WHERE A DRIVEWAY WOULD BE KIND OF CURIOUS HOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO MEET THAT CONDITION. 
          WELL, DRIVEWAYS ARE PERMITTED TO GO THROUGH THE BUFFER AREA, UM, AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, THE BUFFER YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A MINIMUM VALUE LANDSCAPE VALUE. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE STRETCHED OUT ACROSS THAT, UH, THE AREA THAT WOULD BE, UH, EXT THE BUFFER BE EXTENDED WOULD BE FROM THIS POINT HERE ON DOWN. 
          SO I NOTICED IN ONE OF THE CONDITIONS, UM, 
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I HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN. 
          NOW I CAN'T FIND IT, UH WHAT'S THAT THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL VEGETATION BECAUSE OF THAT NON-CONFORMING DWELLING, BUT THEN THAT WOULD BE EXTENDING THE 35 FOOT TRANSITIONAL BUFFER UP ACROSS TO THE FULL LENGTH OF THE FRONTAGE, THE COCKLE TOWN ROAD IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          THAT'S UP IN THIS AREA HERE, RIGHT? WITHOUT THE CONDITION THAT 35 TRANSITIONAL BUFFER WOULD ACTUALLY END RIGHT HERE AND ALONG HERE, THAT WOULD JUST BE A 20 FOOT LANDSCAPED YARD. 
          SO, NO. 
          AND IS THERE A CONDITION THAT THIS BE A HARD SURFACE OR IS THIS GOING TO BE GRAVEL WITH DUST AND THE DRIVEWAY AT THAT'S AUTOMATICALLY REQUIRED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE? THAT IT'D BE OKAY. 
          AND I'M SORRY, IF YOU ALL KNOW ME, I'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS ON THAT. 
          SO THE, UH, THE BMP, CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON WHAT THAT BMP IS JUST GOING TO BE A STAGNANT DMP? BMP IS, ARE GOING TO BE ACTIVE. 
          WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF REQUIREMENT THERE HAS NOT BEEN ENGINEERING PLANS DONE AS YET FOR THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT? SO THAT'S UNKNOWN AT THIS POINT, UM, AS PART OF SITE PLAN, AND THAT'S NORMALLY NOT KNOWN AT THIS STAGE, THEY WOULD HA THEY WERE REQUIRED TO TURN IN ENGINEERING, DRAWINGS, ENGINEERING, UH, STORMWATER ENGINEERING PLANS AND DRAWINGS, UH, AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL. 
          YEAH. 
          AND UNDERSTAND THAT WE DON'T HAVE DRAWINGS OR ANYTHING YET FOR THE PROPOSED BUILDING. 
          DO WE KNOW THAT HOW MANY AND THE HEIGHTS OF THE OVERHEADS THAT WOULD BE USED IN A, AND THIS MIGHT BE FOR THE APPLICANT? I DON'T KNOW. 
          I'M TRYING TO GET AN IDEA ON HOW INDUSTRIAL THIS IS GOING TO LOOK FROM, FROM A, I WOULD VERIFY WITH THE ABIM, BUT WE HAVE INCLUDED IN OUR APPROVAL CONDITIONS THAT THE ARCHITECTURE, UM, BE COMPATIBLE WITH THOSE, THE ELEVATIONS THAT THEY SUBMITTED AND WE'LL ALSO GET GUINNESS, MIGHT BE TOWARDS THE APPLICANT, BUT THE TYPE AND SIZE OF THE VEHICLES THAT WOULD BE COMING IN AND OUT OFF OF COPPER TOWN ROAD FOR THIS. 
          UM, AS, YEAH, AS I NOTED IT WOULD BE, UM, BULLDOZERS, TRACTOR TRAILERS OR ANDREW TRENT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF. 
          WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF VEHICLE, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE ON THAT ON A SMALLER ROAD? NO, IT'S A HEATING AND AIR CONDITIONING AS A CONTRACTOR. 
          THEY DO RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL SERVICE. 
          IT ISN'T A WAREHOUSING WHOLESALING, UH, TYPE OF BUSINESS. 
          THERE WOULD BE OCCASIONAL TRACTOR TRAILERS TO DELIVER, UM, SUPPLIES, YOU KNOW? UM, IT'S NOT A ROUTINE. 
          NO, NO. 
          AND THE OTHER COMMERCIAL VEHICLES, YOUR UPS TRUCK, OR, OR FEDEX TRUCK. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS, UH, A COUPLE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS EITHER THE WAY WHEN I IS EIGHT FOOT FENCE AROUND THE OUTSIDE STORAGE, AND THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO STACK ANYTHING HIGHER THAN EIGHT FOOT, IS THAT CORRECT? YEP. 
          DO YOU KNOW WHAT TYPE OF EQUIPMENT IS GOING TO BE STORED OUTSIDE? UM, I'LL DEFER TO THE APPLICANT AND THEN FOR MY OWN CLARIFICATION, YOU COULDN'T OPEN IT UP ON HIGHWAY 17, THE DRIVEWAY, BECAUSE IT'S TOO CLOSE. 
          500 FEET. 
          I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY YES, BUT IF IT WAS GOING BACK TO THE CARWASH, THAT WAS A ROAD THAT WAS BEING CUT THROUGH THERE AND WAS PROBABLY LESS THAN 500 FEET. 
          SO DOES THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A ROAD AND A DRIVEWAY? I, IT JUST, IT STRUCK ME AS KIND OF ODD THE WRITTEN COMMENTS WE GOT FROM THE DOT WHEN THEY REVIEWED THIS HAD INDICATED THAT THEY LOOK AT BOTH THE SPACING OF COMMERCIAL DRIVEWAY AND COCKLE TOWN ROAD. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE FRONTAGE HERE IS JUST SHORT OF 300 FEET. 
          AND ON, ON 17 WITH THAT TYPE OF TRAFFIC, 500 FOR SAFETY PURPOSES, THE ROAD ON ONE APPLICATION AND A DRIVEWAY ON ANOTHER IN THE DISTANCE WAS, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, JUST STRUCK ME AS STRANGE. 
          UH, I THINK THAT'S ALL I, I HAD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UH, TAYLOR ROWE, I THINK IS THE APPLICANT. 
          I THINK HE'S HERE. 
          IF YOU WOULD COME FORWARD, SIR. 
          AND STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOU HAVE 10 MINUTES. 
          HELLO. 
          MY NAME IS TAYLOR ROAD. 
          UM, I LIVE AT 3, 3, 2 7 MORNING MS. LANE. 
          UM, I WILL TRY TO ANSWER A COUPLE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE THAT I'VE HEARD. 
          UM, I OPERATE A COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL HEATING AND AIR CONDITIONING COMPANY. 
          UM, NO HEAVY EQUIPMENT, NO LARGE VEHICLES, 
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NO CRANES, NO, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, STANDARD TRUCKS, TRANSIT VANS, UM, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          UM, WE HAVE OUTGROWN OUR SERVICE, OUR FACILITY NOW. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOMEWHERE WITH SOME SPACE, WHICH THIS LAND PROVIDES. 
          UM, I ALSO, YOU KNOW, BEING ON 17 IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOOD TOO. 
          UM, UH, AND, UH, AS FAR AS THE STORAGE GOES, WE'D BE STORING, YOU KNOW, UNITS, MATERIALS, THINGS LIKE THAT, NOTHING OVER EIGHT FOOT. 
          UM, THAT'S WHY I'VE GOT SO MUCH SPACE SO THAT I CAN LAY IT DOWN. 
          SO I DON'T HAVE TO STACK THINGS ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. 
          AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS, THEN NOW I JUST, DID YOU CONSIDER JUST PUTTING YOUR COMPLETE BUILDING OUTSIDE STORAGE? YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME HERE. 
          I, I DID, BUT I I'VE JUST BEEN, I KNOW I'M GOING TO NEED IT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I WILL, I'LL NEED TO LEAVE STUFF OUTSIDE. 
          UM, I'LL HAVE TO HAVE OUTSIDE STORE, ALL RIGHT. 
          OUTSIDE STORAGE AND SERVER A ROOF OVER SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          NO, IT WILL WON'T HAVE A ROOF OVER IT. 
          I KNOW. 
          I JUST, OKAY. 
          OUTSIDE STORIES THAT I'VE SEEN IN THE COUNTY HAS BEEN VERY UGLY TO PUT IT MILDLY. 
          WHAT DIFFERENT BUSINESSES? THEY JUST ALMOST INVARIABLY THEY TURN TO NOT SOMETHING THAT'S VERY APPEALING GOING DOWN 17 OR ANY OTHER ROAD THAT'S IN THE COUNTY WITH OUTSIDE STORIES. 
          SO I'M A LITTLE HESITANT ON THIS. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. 
          I THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM ANYBODY OUT THERE ON THIS APPLICATION? CNN, I CAN DO IT THE RIGHT THIS TIME, RIGHT? OR CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT, OPEN UP TO THE GROUP HERE. 
          AND MR. FRIEDMAN, UH, I VISITED THE PROPERTY AND, UH, THE AMOUNT OF VEGETATION, UM, OFF OF, UH, THE FAR PART OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THE STORAGE OPEN STORAGE WOULD BE, IS VERY DENSE. 
          IN ADDITION, THERE HAS TO BE THAT TRANSITIONAL BUFFER AND, UH, THERE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT, UH, THAT OPEN AIR STORAGE FACILITY IN, IN MY OPINION, LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, SO I SUPPORT THIS. 
          UM, IT'S A, UM, COVERS A PROPERTY THAT HAS BEEN VACANT FOR A WHILE. 
          UH, AND, UM, IT'S SAFELY PUT SO THAT THE TRAFFIC GOES INTO KAKO TOWN ROAD AND NOT ON 17, WHICH WOULD BE A PROBLEM BECAUSE OF THE HUGE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, ONE 17. 
          SO, UH, I SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION, MR. KIM. 
          YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I GET MY MASK OFF FROM MY STANDPOINT. 
          THIS IS OBI WHERE I USE ALLOWED, AND I THINK WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING STAFF AND THE APPLICANT HAS DONE EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO MITIGATE ANY VISUAL, UM, UH, VIEWS OF THE STORAGE AREAS EITHER FROM 17 OR FROM THE RESIDENTS OR FROM THE ROAD. 
          AND I THINK WE'VE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND, AND I SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION AND, AND, UH, AND WE'LL BE VOTING FOR IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SLEEP. 
          UH, MY ONLY QUESTION WOULD BE, HAVE YOU CONTACTED THE NEIGHBORS? HAVE YOU HAD CONVERSATION WITH THOSE? HAVE YOU HAD ANY PUSHBACK FROM ANY OF THAT? I MEAN, THERE'S NO ONE HERE, SO OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'LL BE PLENTY OF, YOU KNOW, THE TRANSITIONAL, THE BUFFERS BETWEEN THEIR PROPERTIES AND YOURS FOR YOU TO MAINTAIN. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CRAINER. 
          NO, IT'S A GOOD USE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S BY RIGHT SIDE, THE OUTSIDE STORY. 
          SO DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES THEY CAN TO HIDE IT. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE BUFFER AND ALL THAT, UH, LIKE I SAID, EVERY TIME I'VE SEEN AN OUTSIDE STORAGE, I WON'T SAY EVERY TIME, BUT WHEN I CAN THINK OF IT, THEY ARE ALWAYS SOMEWHAT OF AN EYESORE UP AND DOWN 17. 
          WHEN I WAS UP IN MOORESTOWN ROAD, THE OTHER DAY, OUTSIDE STORAGE THERE WITH, WITH ALL KINDS OF EQUIPMENT OUTSIDE, IT WAS JUST LOOKED AT IT AND SAY WHAT THE DEVIL WAS GOING ON, DAN 17, AND A COUPLE OF THE OTHER AREAS I SCRATCHED MY HEAD CAUSE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE BUFFERS AND THERE'S NO BUFFERS. 
          AND, UH, SO YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO BE AGAINST IT PROBABLY ANYWAY. 
          I'M SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, HERE A MOTION TO, FOR PC 
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22 DAYS 19, UM, SURE. 
          UH, I MOVE A PC 22 DASH 19 FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. 
          THE MOTION BY MR. CRINER IS TO ADOPT PC 22 DASH 18 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZED A CONTRACTOR SHOP WITH OUTSIDE STORAGE AT 85 29, GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY, MR. SMITH, MR. PETERSON, MS. LEADER. 
          YES. 
          MR. KING, MR. CRINER, MR. TITUS? NO, THE MOTION PASSES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IT WILL GO TOWARD THE BOARD IN JULY OR AUGUST. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UM, 
          [7. Old Business]
IS THERE ANY OLD BUSINESS NEEDS TO COME FORWARD? ANY NEW 
          [8. New Business]
BUSINESS COMMISSIONERS WANT TO BRING FORWARD A, ANY STAFF 
          [9. Staff Reports/Recent Actions by the Board of Supervisors]
REPORTS, RECENT ACTIONS BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS? UH, YES. 
          UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, FIRST OFF, I DID GET A CHANCE TO LOOK UP YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE DOGS AND THE COUNT. 
          UH, THE RURAL IS, UH, THE CUTOFF IS FOUR. 
          IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN FOUR DOGS, UH, IT'S CONSIDERED PRIVATE KENNEL, BUT THAT'S, IF THE DOGS ARE KEPT IN A DOG HOUSE OR A PEN OR HOT CHIPS WITH, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF STRUCTURED, NOT IN THE ACTUAL HOUSE, YOU CAN HAVE AS MANY DOGS OR CATS IN YOUR HOUSE. 
          YOU HAVE A MINUTE OUTSIDE STRUCTURE MORE THAN FORT CONSTITUTES PRIVATE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SECONDLY, UH, THE TOP OF THE MEETING YOU INTRODUCED TO OUR INTERN, JACOB  AND I JUST WANTED TO, UH, UH, ALSO INTRODUCE HIM AND JUST MENTIONED THAT, UH, HE'S BEEN SERVING ON OUR, UH, COMP PLAN COMMITTEE YORK 2040 COMMITTEE SINCE, UH, THE COMMITTEE WAS FORMED AND 2018, HE WAS A MERE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT BACK THEN, UH, REPRESENTING THE YOUTH COMMISSION. 
          AND OUR HOPE WAS TO HAVE THE COMP PLAN FINISHED BEFORE HE GRADUATED. 
          WE NOT ALL PUSH THAT. 
          WE TRIED TO GET HIM HELD BACK A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW. 
          UM, BUT ANYWAY, UH, OBVIOUSLY COVID AND OTHER THINGS INTERVENED, BUT, UH, SO HE JUST COMPLETED HIS FIRST YEAR AT UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA. 
          AND HE, UH, WILL BE, UH, SERVING AS OUR, UH, INTERN FOR THE COUPLE OF MONTHS THIS SUMMER. 
          AND WE'RE EXCELLENT, HAPPY TO HAVE HIM ON BOARD, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN FIND A MORE CHALLENGING WORK THAN OPERATING THE TIMER. 
          UH, AS FAR AS RECENT BOARD ACTIONS, UM, MAY 17TH, THE BOARD WAS SUPPOSED TO CONSIDER THE , UH, POOREST HOME APPLICATION. 
          UH, SOMETHING CAME UP AT THE LAST MINUTE WITH THE APPLICANTS. 
          SO THEY ENDED UP ASKING THAT THE APPLICATION BE TABLED. 
          SO THAT APPLICATION HAS BEEN TABLED NOW TO THE AUGUST 16TH MEETING. 
          SO THAT'S ONE THAT YOU CAN COUNT ON THAT ONE. 
          WE'LL GO TO THE BOARD, AUGUST 16, UH, THE BOARD, UH, LAST NIGHT ACTUALLY APPROVED THE COMMONWEALTH GREEN PROFFER AMENDMENTS THAT YOU ALL CONSIDERED BACK IN APRIL AND THEN COMING UP ON THEIR AGENDA. 
          NEXT WEEK, THEY HAVE TWO TOURIST HOMES, ONE ON BAPTIST ROAD IN LACKEY AND THE OTHER ON OLD RAILWAY ROAD. 
          YOU ALL CONSIDER THOSE A MONTH OR TWO AGO. 
          AND COMING UP ON YOUR JULY 13TH AGENDA, WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE TOURIST HOMES, ONE ON AT THE UNION DRIVE IN CARVER GARDENS AND THE OTHER ONE ON, UH, SHIRLEY ROAD OUT IN THE SEAFORD AREA. 
          NOT VERY FAR, IF YOU REMEMBER THE BOAT STORAGE REZONING APPLICATION, WE HAVE A LITTLE WHILE AGO, IT'S JUST, JUST DOWN THE ROAD FROM THERE. 
          AND LASTLY, I DO WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT, UH, IN JULY WE WILL, YOU WILL HAVE YOUR ELECTION OF OFFICERS FOR THE COMING YEAR. 
          SO YOU'LL WANT TO BE THINKING ABOUT THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, LIKE THE NEW CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. 
          AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I THANK YOU. 
          AND WELCOME AGAIN. 
          UH, ANY COMMITTEE 
          [10. Committee Reports]
REPORTS, COMMITTEE REPORTS, MR. CHAIRMAN? NO, NO, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THIS FALLS UNDER COMMITTEE OR NOT, BUT THE, UH, UM, MR. HOLROYD AND I JUST COMPLETED THE, UH, CERTIFIED PLANNING COMMISSIONERS COURSE. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, I JUST WANTED TO, FIRST OF ALL, TAKE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR, FOR FUNDING THAT AND ALLOW THAT 
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TO HAPPEN. 
          UH, FANTASTIC, UH, FORUM. 
          I'LL TELL YOU THAT IT 13 WEEKS, I BELIEVE, UH, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WE HAD, UH, 26 MEMBERS IN OUR CLASS. 
          UM, AND OF THOSE, I BELIEVE WE HAD 17 DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES REPRESENTED ACROSS THE STATE. 
          AND WE EVEN HAD SOME PEOPLE FROM OUT OF STATE. 
          YEAH, FASCINATING CLASS. 
          IT WAS, IT WAS A VERY, VERY WELL DONE, UH, COURSE LEARNED A LOT, A LOT TO BRING BACK, BUT WITH OUR ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES, IT WAS GOOD TO SEE THAT AND INTERACT WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND OTHER PLANNING COMMISSIONS. 
          I SAT IN ON A PLANNING COMMISSION FOR HAMPTON, WHICH I'LL NEVER DO AGAIN, FOUR AND A HALF HOURS. 
          SO IT WAS OVER PRETTY QUICKLY. 
          OH YEAH. 
          IT WAS A FAB AND PLUSH. 
          THEY DO IT DURING THE DAY, WHICH MAKES IT EVEN MORE INTERESTING. 
          UH, AND, AND JAMES CITY COUNTY. 
          SO IT WAS GOOD TO, TO INTERACT WITH ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY. 
          VERY GOOD LEARNING EXPERIENCE. 
          SO AGAIN, JUST WANTED TO PASS THAT ON. 
          I DID MINE WITH MCKESSON SMART. 
          IT WAS GOOD. 
          IT WAS, IT WAS, UH, ANYTHING ELSE, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN? THAT'S THE JOURNAL.
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