Apr 19, 2022 Board of Supervisors

THAT WE'LL HAVE TONIGHT IS FROM THE VIRGINIA COURT CLERKS ASSOCIATION, AND IT IS A RESOLUTION OF APPRECIATION PRESENTED TO THE FAMILY OF LINDEMAN.

YOU MAY BE SEATED.

THANK YOU, TOM.

THE FIRST PRESENTATION

[A. Virginia Court Clerk’s Association Presentation. Resolution of appreciation presented to thefamily of Lynn S. Mendibur by Kristen Nelson, York County Clerk of Court.]

DEBER KRISTEN NELSON, YOUR COUNTY CLERK OF COURT WILL NOW PRESENT THAT CHRISTIAN.

GOOD.

ANYTHING? I THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TONIGHT.

UM, I ASKED TO SPEAK THIS EVENING AND HONOR MY PREDECESSOR, LEN SCOTT AND .

IT IS TRADITION FOR THE VIRGINIA COURT CLERKS ASSOCIATION TO HONOR CLERKS WHO HAVE PASSED AWAY BY THE READING OF A RESOLUTION OF APPRECIATION SPECIFIC TO EACH CLERK IN EACH JURISDICTION AT OUR ANNUAL CONVENTION, LEN PASSED AWAY ON APRIL 3RD, 2020.

UH, THE CLERK'S ASSOCIATION DID NOT HAVE THEIR 2020 CONVENTION.

SO WE WERE CATCHING UP ON 2021.

SO WE, UM, IT WAS READ AT THE 2021 CONVENTION.

AND SO IT'S WITH GREAT RESPECT THAT I'M ABLE TO PRESENT THIS RESOLUTION TO THE FAMILY OF LEN WHO WERE SEATED TO THE RIGHT OF ME.

WOULD YOU ALL TAKE A MINUTE JUST TO STAND AND BE RECOGNIZED, TONY AND FAMILY? I'M SO APPRECIATIVE OF HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY OF WORKING WITH AND FOR LYNN FOR MANY YEARS.

AND I'M HONORED TO PRESENT THIS RESOLUTION TO YOU TONIGHT BEFORE DOING SO.

I WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE AND READ THE RESOLUTION.

VIRGINIA COURT CLERKS ASSOCIATION, RESOLUTION OF APPRECIATION FOR LYNN S MENOPUR, WHEREAS THE DEATH OF THE HONORABLE LEN S MENOPUR ON APRIL 3RD, 2020, THE VIRGINIA COURT CLERKS ASSOCIATION HAS SUFFERED THE LOSS OF A FRIEND AND DISTINGUISHED CLERK OF COURT.

WHEREAS LYNN IS PRE-DECEASED BY HER FATHER, HARRY T CONNICK JR.

AND SURVIVED BY HER HUSBAND, ANTONIO, AMANDA BURR, HER FOUR CHILDREN, DAVID

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JR.

LAURA AUGUST AND CATHERINE LYNN AND HER MOTHER MARCIA AND STEPFATHER DAVID BROWN.

WHEREAS LYNN MENDELLA WAS BORN IN NEW YORK ON FEBRUARY 2ND, 1961, AND LIVED IN YORK COUNTY, VIRGINIA, THE REST OF HER LIFE.

SHE RECEIVED HER BACHELOR OF ARTS FROM RANDOLPH-MACON WOMAN'S COLLEGE IN 1983.

WHEREAS LYNN BEGAN WORKING IN THE CIRCUIT COURT CLERK'S OFFICE DURING SUMMERS, WHILE IN COLLEGE AND CONTINUED TO WORK IN THE OFFICE THEREAFTER.

WHEREAS WAS ELECTED AS INTO OFFICE, AS CLERK IN 1999, WHERE SHE SERVED AS CLERK UNTIL HER RETIREMENT IN 2014.

IN ADDITION TO HER RESPONSIBILITIES, SHE SERVED AS SECRETARY OF THE YORK COUNTY REPUBLICAN COMMITTEE VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE VIRGINIA COURT CLERKS ASSOCIATION, PRESIDENT OF THE GRAFTON QUANTIS CLUB, A MEMBER OF THE YORK VICTORY, YMCA MANAGEMENT BOARD, ANY REPRESENTATIVE TO THE LIBRARY BOARD OF TRUSTEES.

NOW, THEREFORE IT BE RESOLVED THAT WE PRESENT THIS RESOLUTION AS A FORMAL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF HER OUTSTANDING SERVICE TO THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY OF YORK AND THE CITY OF POQUOSON, THE VIRGINIA COURT CLERKS ASSOCIATION AND TO THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA.

AND IT BE FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THIS RESOLUTION BE SPREAD UPON THE MINUTES OF THE ASSOCIATION AND THE COPY OF THE RESOLUTION BE PROVIDED TO THE FAMILY AND GLEN ESSMAN NUMBER RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED KRISTEN AND NELSON CLERK, YOUR COUNTY BECAUSE THE CIRCUIT COURT, I WOULD BE REMISS IN SAYING, AND NOT SAYING THAT LYNN'S MOTHER MARCIA BROWN HAS PASSED AWAY SINCE THE PREPARATION OF THIS RESOLUTION.

HOWEVER, SHE WAS VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING ME WITH A LOT OF THE CONTENT OF IT.

SO, UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT SHE CLEARLY TOOK GREAT PRIDE IN DOING SO.

SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, IT IS MY HONOR TO PRESENT THIS RESOLUTION TO YOU ALL.

AND ON BEHALF OF, UM, THE VIRGINIA COURT CLERKS ASSOCIATION AND MYSELF AS THE CIRCUIT COURT CLERK FOR YOUR COUNTY AND POST, MY CLIENT FOR WILLING TO SAY IS THAT SHE WAS A BREEDING MOWER WHEN THE CHILDREN AND, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE KNEW LYNN AND WE APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT SHE DID FOR THE COUNTY.

WE ALSO DO WHERE AS A FRIEND AND WE MISSED HER AND WE'RE SORRY FOR THE PASSING OF BOTH LYNN AND HER MOTHER.

ON MARK BELLAMY, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR CONSTRUCTION UPDATE.

NAH.

NOW I'LL CALL

[B. Construction Update. Receive presentation from Mark Bellamy, Deputy County Administrator, on the various construction projects within the County.]

WHAT WELL GREETINGS FOR THE SECOND TIME TODAY, I HOPE YOU ALL ENJOYED OUR, UH, GROUNDBREAKING OR OUTDOOR CEREMONY WE HAD.

THERE WERE VERY APPRECIATIVE.

THE CHIEF INCLUDED ALL OF US IN IT.

IT WAS A GOOD TIME.

SO A FEW WEEKS AGO, UH, MR. MORGAN AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD DO FOR TONIGHT, AND WE THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE GIVEN TODAY'S ACTIVITIES AND, UH, SOME OF YOUR ACTIONS AND DELIBERATIONS FOR THE REST OF THE EVENING TO TALK ABOUT CONSTRUCTION UPDATES.

SO BEFORE I DO THAT, I DO WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE POINTS.

WE DID NOTE THAT WE WOULD BE DOING THE GROUNDBREAKING TODAY.

AND SO IT WAS IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE THAT IN OUR CONSTRUCTION UPDATE.

ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF AS WE WALK THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION IS, AND THE CONSENT CALENDAR TONIGHT, OUR FURNITURE AND FIXTURES FOR THE LIBRARY, WHICH IS ALSO ON OUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT, AND THEN THE BUDGET HEARING, WHICH YOU HAVE LATER, WHICH IS PRETTY IMPORTANT TO THIS WHOLE PROCESS.

SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MADE THE TIE FOR YOU AND ALL THAT.

SO THE THREE BUILDINGS THAT WE ARE SPECIFICALLY GOING TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT ARE FIRE STATIONS, SEVEN THAT WE VISITED TODAY, UH, THE NEW YORK TOWN LIBRARY AND THE LAW ENFORCEMENT BUILDING.

A LITTLE BACKGROUND HERE.

THIS QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED, UH, RECENTLY AT ONE OF YOUR MEETINGS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ARPA-E AND CARES AND WHERE DID ALL THAT MONEY GO? SO WHAT WE WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF IS THAT IT'S YOUR

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SUPPORT OF THE CIP, BE IT FROM ARPA OR CARES OR A YEAR-END SURPLUS THAT ALLOWS THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS TO GO FORWARD.

JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE EXAMPLE ABOUT WHERE THE ARPA MONEY AND SOME OF THE CARES MONEY WENT.

SO WE WERE ABLE TO PAY TOWARDS FIRESTATION SEVEN, A LITTLE OVER $4 MILLION BY INTERCHANGING, THAT MONEY WITH MONEY THAT WE CAN REIMBURSE OURSELVES FOR AND USE IT TOWARDS THIS CONSTRUCTION PROJECT WAS ALSO ROUGHLY $2 MILLION OF ARPA MONEY THAT WILL BE USED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT BUILDING.

SO THOSE ARE A COUPLE EXAMPLES OF WHERE SOME OF THAT MONEY HAS GONE.

SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WERE AWARE OF THAT AS WE TALKED ABOUT THIS TONIGHT, YOU'VE SEEN THIS PHOTO BEFORE THIS RENDERING, RATHER OF THE FRONT OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT BUILDING.

THIS IS NOEL.

DON'T YOU THINK ASHLEY DID A GREAT JOB ON THE LANDSCAPING? YES.

IT'S A SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE.

AND HERE'S THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AND HERE'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY.

SO WHAT WE HAVE TODAY IS, UH, THE SITE WORK, WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH, THE, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT, UH, DRONE TEAM WENT OUT AND DID A LITTLE VIDEO FOR US.

SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE HOW THAT BUILDING RELATES TO EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND IT.

IF YOU LOOK UP IN THE TOP RIGHT CORNER, YOU CAN SEE THE VIPS PILES OF MULCH DIRECTLY BEHIND THE BUILDING.

YOU CAN SEE THE LANDSCAPE, A LANDFILL CAP THERE.

YOU CAN SEE THE TRANSFER STATION OFF ON THE LEFT.

IF YOU COULD SEE TO THE RIGHT OF THE FRAME, YOU'D SEE PUBLIC WORKS.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, COMING INTO THE SHOT NOW IS THE THAT'S BEEN CONSTRUCTED FOR THAT SITE.

SO EVENTUALLY WE'LL COME BACK AROUND AND WE'LL BE FACING WEST AND FOR, UH, EXCUSE ME, 17, WE'LL BE IN FRONT OF YOU.

AND THIS IS GOOD WHEN KNACK ROAD ON YOUR LEFT DOWN THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

SO IN THE CENTER IS WHERE THE BUILDING WILL BE SITED TO THE BACK.

I'LL, UH, GO BACKWARDS HERE.

YEP.

WHEN THERE, SO TO THE BACK BEHIND THE BUILDING, YOU'LL SEE A PARKING LOT, A SECURED PARKING LOT, UH, AND POSSIBLY ANOTHER BUILDING, A STORAGE BUILDING FOR SPECIALTY VEHICLES.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING FOR IT.

OOPS.

SO THAT IS WHERE THAT SITS TODAY.

SO WHAT'S BEEN DONE OUT THERE.

THE SITE HAS BEEN PUT UP TO GRADE.

THE BNP HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED ALONG WITH THE STORM WATER PIPING HAS BEEN INSTALLED.

THE SEWER LINES ARE INSTALLED AND THE WATER LINES ARE INSTALLED.

AND YOU SAW THE ROADS THAT HAVE BEEN GRAVELED AS WELL.

SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE LEFT TO DO, UH, IS STILL TO BID THE BUILDING FOR ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE VERTICAL STRUCTURE THERE.

AND WE HOPE TO HAVE THAT READY IN MAY FOR AN AWARD SOMETIME, UH, LATE JUNE, EARLY JULY.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO YOU FOR APPROVAL OF THAT CONTRACT.

AND ASSUMING THAT YOU WERE TO APPROVE THAT CONTRACT, THE BUILDING WOULD START SOMETIME SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER WOULD BE OUR HOPE.

AND THEN EVERYBODY ALWAYS WANTS TO KNOW, WELL, WHEN WILL IT BE DONE? SO WHAT WE BELIEVE AT THIS TIME IS THIS ABOUT AN 18 MONTH CONSTRUCTION PERIOD.

SO WHAT WE'D BE LOOKING AT IF WE STARTED IN LATE SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER IS A FEBRUARY 20, 24, MOVE IN TIME.

THE NEXT BUILDING WE WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT WAS A YORKTOWN LIBRARY.

THIS IS A RENDERING THAT YOU'VE SEEN SOMETIME AGO.

HERE'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY.

THE INSIDE HAS BEEN GUTTED AND YOU SEE THE STRUCTURE, UH, THE NEW STRUCTURE ADDED TO THE BUILDING THERE ON THE LEFT.

SO SOME OF THE MILESTONES THAT HAVE BEEN ACCOMPLISHED SO FAR IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS BUILDING IS OBVIOUSLY YOU SAW THE METAL STRUCTURE THAT'S IN PLACE.

THE ROOF IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING PUT ON.

I BELIEVE THEY ARE WORKING ON ROUGH ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING AND FIRE SUPPRESSION.

AND THAT AIR CONDITIONING UNITS HAVE BEEN SET AS WELL.

WHAT YOU WOULD SEE NEXT, UH, IS THE BRICK FACADE COME TO THE BUILDING AND THEN THEY WOULD PUT THE GLASS WORK IN BECAUSE WHAT THEY TO DO IS GET THE BUILDING SEALED UP.

SO THEY CAN START DOING THAT SENSITIVE INTERIOR WORK, UH, THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT HUMIDITY, WATER, MOISTURE,

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THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

SO INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, AS YOU KNOW, DURING COVID, WE HAVE HAD PLENTY OF CHALLENGES AND I'LL MENTION THIS AGAIN LATER IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT IT TURNS OUT THAT STOREFRONT GLASS IS SOMETHING THAT IS ALSO AN ISSUE.

SO WE'RE ABOUT TWO MONTHS OUT FROM SEEING THE GLASS.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S CREEPED UP ON US.

SO OCCASIONALLY WE DO SEE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE TO START WITH, BUT WE'RE STILL HOPING FOR AN AUGUST COMPLETION.

SO I WON'T SPEAK FOR MR. SMITH, WHO I KNOW IS BEHIND ME THERE, BUT I KNOW HE'S ANXIOUS TO GET IN AND TRY TO BE THERE RIGHT AFTER FIRST OF THE YEAR.

AND SO THE REST OF THE INTERIOR WORK WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE DRY WALL, UH, ALL THE FINISHINGS THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT TO SEE IN A BUILDING LIKE THAT.

AND THEN, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER TONIGHT ON YOUR CONSENT CALENDAR, YOU'LL SEE FURNITURE AND FIXTURES FOR THIS FACILITY, FIRE STATION SEVEN, WHERE WE WERE AT TODAY, UH, THE BUILDING ON THE RIGHT EXISTS FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY NOT KNOW THE BUILDING ON THE RIGHT EXISTS, THE BUILDING ON THE LEFT, IT DOES NOT, UH, THAT'S GOING TO BE A METAL BUILDING, THE ONE ON THE LEFT AND ALL THE PARTS AND PIECES ARE SITTING IN THAT PARKING LOT THERE ON THE RIGHT.

AND IT IS, UH, READY TO GET STARTED RIGHT THERE.

THERE'S A LITTLE PICTURE OF THAT.

SO YOU CAN, IF YOU WEREN'T THERE TODAY, YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

DESIGN WORK HAS BEEN DONE.

AS I MENTIONED, THE STEEL BUILDING HAS ARRIVED AND WE HAD THE GROUNDBREAKING TODAY.

THE, UM, SITE WORK WOULD STILL NEED TO BE DONE.

THERE'S A BMP THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE INSTALLED THERE.

AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE METAL BUILDING THE BAY AREA AND IN A CONVERSATION WE HAD LAST WEEK WITH THE CONTRACTOR, WE DO BELIEVE THIS WILL BE FINISHED BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.

AND WE HOPE TO SEE FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY MOVE IN, UH, DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR.

SO I MENTIONED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS EARLIER.

THERE ARE A PLENTY OF CHALLENGES IN THE CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS RIGHT NOW.

I MENTIONED ABOUT THE STOREFRONT GLASS, UM, GENERATORS.

SO WITH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT BUILDING, UH, WE HAVE GONE AHEAD AND ORDERED THE GENERATORS.

YOU SAW THEM ON A CONSENT CALENDAR, A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO, AND THOSE GENERATORS HAVE MORE THAN A 12 MONTH LEAD TIME.

IT HASN'T BEEN THAT LONG AGO.

YOU COULD GET A GENERATOR AND A COUPLE MONTHS.

SO THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN THAT BUSINESS BAY DOORS.

UM, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE'VE JUST RECENTLY BECOME AWARE OF BECAUSE OF FIRE STATION SEVEN, THAT SUBMIT ABOUT A SIX MONTH LEAD TIME TO GET BAY DOORS, ROLL UP GARAGE DOORS FOR THAT BUILDING.

SO WE ARE, UM, WE'RE TRYING TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO ALLEVIATE ALL THOSE PROBLEMS. IN SOME CASES WE CAN CHOOSE, UH, ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS, UM, INSTEAD OF HAVING ALL GLASS BAY DOORS, MAYBE WE COULD ORDER METAL BAY DOORS WITH ONLY SOME GLASS IN IT.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE CHANGES THAT DON'T HOLD UP OUR PROJECTS AS BEST WE CAN.

AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR SUPPLIERS THAT WE DON'T NORMALLY DO BUSINESS WITH.

SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON AS WELL.

AND WE ARE TRYING TO RECOGNIZE THOSE ITEMS THAT REQUIRE LONG LEAD TIMES LIKE THOSE GENERATORS AND ORDER THOSE THINGS FAR IN ADVANCE, SO THAT WE'RE PREPARED FOR THAT WHEN THE TIME COMES.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THIS EVENING, DOES ANYBODY? YES.

SHE EVEN STEVEN I'D FALL IN HERE.

UM, LAST TIME I DROVE THAT GOODWIN NECK ROAD WAS AFTER THE BMP HAD BEEN INSTALLED.

AND I WAS SURPRISED HOW LARGE IT WAS.

IS THAT THE SPIRAL SIZE OR WAS THAT IS A LARGER MALE BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION? I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.

AND CROSS OUT LORDS OF BNP WAS I IS, SO IS THAT A SPINAL SIZE? OKAY.

AND I GUESS WE'RE GOING TO PUT UP ALL KINDS OF SHRUBBERY AROUND.

OH, RIGHT.

THERE'S A LANDSCAPE PLAN AND THAT'S ONE OF THE NEXT ITEMS THAT THEY'LL START WORKING ON.

AND THE FIRE STATION I MEANT TO ASK EARLIER, I'M ASSUMING THAT TWO BUILDERS WILL BE CONNECTED.

THEY WILL.

AND AS FAR AS SUPPLY GOES, WHAT ABOUT CONCRETE? I'VE HEARD FROM FRIENDS OR ON CONCRETE AND IT'S, THEY, THEY STRUGGLE TO GET IT TOO.

ARE YOU SEEING THE SAME STRUGGLE WE ARE.

AND WE'VE SEEN THAT NOT ONLY ON OUR OWN PROJECTS, BUT OTHER PROJECTS AS WELL.

DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH.

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UM, MARK, CAN YOU TELL US WHETHER OR NOT THESE CONTRACTS FOR BOTH THE FIRE STATION AND THE SHERIFF'S BUILDING ARE FIXED FEE CONTRACTS OR ARE THEY CONTRACTS THAT MIGHT BE FRAUGHT WITH CHANGE ORDERS? SO TYPICALLY, UH, THE WAY THOSE ARE DONE IS WE GET, WE HAVE A PRICE TO BUILD IT.

IF, IF THERE'S A CHANGE ORDER, GENERALLY WHAT THE CHANGE ORDER WOULD ACCOMPLISH IS SOME CHANGE BY THE OWNER.

WE, THE COUNTY HAS DESIRED TO MAKE AFTER THE FACT, OR IF THERE'S SOME CONFLICT, UH, IN THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING WHERE MAYBE A WATER PIPE CROSSES SOMETHING ELSE.

AND THEY'RE JUST NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO DO THAT.

SO THERE MIGHT BE A CHANGE ORDER FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT TYPICALLY THEY'RE FIXED FEES, BUT WE DO RUN INTO THOSE KINDS OF PROBLEMS. YEAH.

IT'S SORT OF A GOVERNMENTAL MANDATE OF SORTS.

UH, SO VERSUS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UH, CONTRACT THAT, UH, THE SUBJECT, YOU KNOW, WE GET THE ESTIMATES, WE GET THE BIDS, WE MAKE A SELECTION.

UH, CONSTRUCTION STARTS AT SOME POINT IN TIME AFTER THE DRAWINGS ARE DONE.

AND, UH, THEN THE CONTRACTOR COMES BACK AND SAYS, WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MATERIALS THAT USED TO BE $10, FOUR X ARE NOW $20 FOR X.

UH, AND BEFORE, YOU KNOW, IT, THE CONTRACT, IF WE DON'T MAINTAIN A ABSOLUTE, UH, OVERSIGHT IS TWICE WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE OKAY.

THAT THAT IS NOT UNCOMMON IN A CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS.

BUT WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU IS, IS THAT, UH, MR. WOODWARD AND HIS ENGINEERING STAFF SPEND AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TIME GOING THROUGH THE DRAWINGS BEFORE THEY'RE PUT OUT TO BID TO LOOK FOR THOSE KINDS OF ISSUES.

SO WE DO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON QUALITY CONTROL ON THE, ON THE BID DOCUMENTS AND THE DRAWINGS THEMSELVES.

WELL, I'LL ASK YOU WHAT WHAT'S, THE COST IS GOING TO BE ON THE FRONT END.

AND WHEN IT'S ALL DONE AND SAID, WE'LL ASK YOU, WHAT DID IT REALLY COST US? I THINK WE'LL BE PREPARED TO ANSWER THAT.

THANK YOU, MR. BELLAMY, UH, REAL QUICK, THE LAW ENFORCEMENT BUILDING RIGHT THERE, THAT SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE GOODWIN NECK ROAD, ALL OF A SUDDEN ONE DAY WOKE UP AND HAD A CONSTRUCTION SITE IN THEIR FRONT YARD.

WHAT HAVE WE BEEN ABLE TO DO TO MITIGATE NOISE, UH, RUNOFF, JUST OVERALL INCONVENIENCE, UH, TO THOSE NEIGHBORS.

AND I KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SEVERAL THINGS, BUT SHORT, AND I WOULD TELL YOU THAT NOT ONLY STAFF FROM PUBLIC WORKS HAS BEEN OVER TO TALK WITH A FEW OF THE NEIGHBORS OVER THERE, BUT ALSO, UH, THE SHERIFF HAS ASKED SOME OF HIS STAFF TO GO SPEAK WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS.

AND I THINK GENERALLY THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO SMOOTH THINGS OVER WITH SOME ADJUSTMENTS AND WORK SCHEDULES.

GOOD.

THE NEXT ITEM THAT WE HAVE IS THE CITIZENS COMMENT PERIOD, AND WE HAVE SNAPCHAT FROM THE, YOUR COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

IF THERE ARE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[CITIZENS' COMMENT PERIOD]

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

GOOD EVENING, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HONORABLE.

IT'S GREAT TO TALKING WITH YOU TODAY AND, UH, GREATLY APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE.

THIS IS A SIMPLE, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE FOR YOUR COUNTY AND A BUSINESS, UH, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.

SO YOUR COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE GREATLY APPRECIATES THE SUPPORT, NOT ONLY FINANCIALLY, BUT IN PERSON AT OUR EVENTS TO YORK COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.

YOU'RE WHAT YOU PROVIDE US, HELP SUPPORT OUR DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS FOR THE ADVOCACY OF THE YORK COUNTY BUSINESSES, AS WELL AS OUR, SOME OF OUR EVENTS LIKE THE BUSINESS AFTER HOURS BUSINESS, BEFORE OURS, WHICH MOST OF YOU HAVE ATTENDED ON A REGULAR BASIS OVER THERE, AS WELL AS OUR SIGNATURE EVENT, THE OCTOBER FEST THAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING ON OCTOBER 23RD.

UH, IN ADDITION, WE PLANNED THIS YEAR.

WE HAVE OTHER PLANS TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY AND THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.

AND IN FACT, IN WHAT WE CALL THE HERO PROGRAM.

AND, UH, WE DID OUR FIRST HERO PROGRAM IS A PERSON THAT HAS DISTINGUISHED THEMSELVES TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIRE AND RESCUE TEACHERS AND MILITARY.

MOST OF YOU ATTENDED THE ONE THAT WE HAD OVER FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT IN MARCH.

AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AT THE ONE IN MAY WITH YOUR PR PLAN AND PRESENTING THE TEACHER AWARD.

SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'RE PLANNING A, WE HAVE A MENTORSHIP PROGRAM THAT WE'RE BRINGING ON BOARD TO HELP NEW SMALL BUSINESSES BECOME EFFECTIVE AND OPERATE WITHIN NEW YORK COUNTY.

SO AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR OUTSTANDING SUPPORT.

WE GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK

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YOU.

THANK YOU FOR COMING TO

[COUNTY ATTORNEY REPORTS AND REQUESTS]

NOW WE'RE DOWN TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY REPORTS, NO PROTECT A PARTICULAR REPORT.

I WILL POINT OUT THAT, UH, AS YOU'RE PROBABLY AWARE OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, UM, UH, ADJOURNED ITS REGULAR SESSION WITH A LOT OF BILLS STILL UNADOPTED, UM, UH, AND, UH, UH, NO BUDGET.

UM, THERE, THEY WERE GOVERNOR CALLED THEM BACK INTO SPECIAL SESSION.

UH, NOTHING HAPPENED THERE EITHER, UH, BUT WE'LL KEEP OUR EYES OPEN FOR A WEEK FROM TOMORROW, WHICH IS WHEN THE SCHEDULED, WHAT WE OFTEN CALL THE VETO SESSION, UM, UH, UH, CONVENES.

SO, UH, PRESUMABLY AT THAT POINT, WELL, HOPEFULLY AT THAT POINT, A BUDGET WILL BE RECOMMENDED TO THE GOVERNOR, BUT IT'S AT THAT POINT ALSO WHERE WE'RE BILLS, THE GOVERNOR'S EITHER VETOED OR HAS, UH, RECOMMENDED CHANGES WILL BE CONSIDERED BY THE HOUSE AND BY THE SENATE.

UM, AND, UH, WE'LL EITHER ACCEPT THEM OR, YOU KNOW, OR OVERRIDE HIS VETO ORDERS OR NOT AN ACCEPT HIS CHANGES OR NOT.

AND, UH, BUT WE'LL KEEP AN EYE ON THAT AND KEEP YOU INFORMED.

IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY BILLS, OBVIOUSLY AS ALWAYS, UH, CONTACT OUR OFFICE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND WE'LL TRY AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, I WOULD HAVE ONE OVER HERE.

UM, JIM, YOU NEED TO REALLY KEEP AN EYE ON THIS, UH, TAX CUT, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE TAX.

I WANT TO TRY TO SAY GAS TAX CUT.

UH, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, YOUR ATTORNEY.

UH, KEEP THE BOARD INFORMED OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

AREAS THE MOST CONFUSING, UH, BACK AND FORTH.

I'VE, I'VE SEEN A BILL.

UM, IT APPEARS THAT MANY OF OUR DELEGATES DON'T THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THAT GAS TAX AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF OUR MAJOR ROAD PROJECTS DOWN HERE.

THERE SEEMS TO BE A TOTAL LACK OF UNDERSTANDING AS SOME OF THEM I'VE TALKED TO.

UM, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY THINK WE MUST HAVE A MONEY TREE DOWN HERE SOMEWHERE THAT THIS MONEY COMES FROM AND THINK THESE THINGS ARE LIKE, UH, SOMETHING YOU CAN BUY AT FIVE AND DIME OR WHATEVER THESE BILLS, THESE, UH, THESE ROADS STRUCK THE ROAD, CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, COST HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR THE TUNNEL.

AND, UH, THEY'VE GOTTA BE FUNDED.

PEOPLE WANTED THIS, UH, VAST FOR IT, AND WE'VE GOT IT IN THE BILL.

SO NOW TO HAVE A, A BANDAID OVER IT WITHOUT A GOOD ARGUMENT, UH, IS A PROBLEM.

SO PLEASE KEEP US INFORMED.

WE'LL DO THAT.

AND THE OTHER ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT WE'LL KEEP AN EYE ON IS THE GROCERY TAX BILL, SINCE IT HAS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ON LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AROUND THE COMMONWEALTH.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, JIM.

THANKS.

[COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR REPORTS AND REQUESTS]

WELL, JUST TO REITERATE WHAT MARK SAID, THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL, UH, ATTENDING THE FIRE STATION SEVEN, UH, GROUNDBREAKING, UH, EXCITING DAY.

IT WAS GRATIFYING TO SEE, UH, UH, GOOD ATTENDANCE FROM OUR NEIGHBORS AND WILLIAMSBURG AND JAMES CITY COUNTY, UH, REALLY PROUD OF, UH, THE BOARD AND THE STAFF FOR PULLING THAT PROJECT TOGETHER FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER.

WE USE THE DESIGN BUILD PROCEDURE, UH, WHICH ALLOWED US TO GET OUT IN FRONT OF SOME OF THOSE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES THAT UH, MR. BELLAMY WAS TALKING ABOUT.

UM, AND NOW HOPEFULLY WE CAN, UH, GET THE PEOPLE IN THE EQUIPMENT TO, UH, OPERATE THE STATION.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK

[MATTERS PRESENTED BY THE BOARD]

YOU.

AT THIS POINT, I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS, UH, JUST TO COMMENT.

AND IF I MAY, TWO DAYS AGO, OF COURSE WE CELEBRATED EASTER AND EVERY CHRISTIAN NATION ACROSS THE WORLD CELEBRATED EASTER.

I PERSONALLY HOPE THAT, UH, EVERY FAMILY, UH, THROUGHOUT THIS, UH, CREEK COUNTY STATE COUNTRY AND BEYOND HAD A WONDERFUL EASTER SUNDAY, UM, MY WIFE AND I ACTUALLY SPENT PART OF THE EIGHTH HOUSE.

AND, UH, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE NEWS, BUT SOMETHING CAUGHT OUR MIND AND WE SAID, MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS.

THE PASSION IS ON TODAY.

AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO WATCH THE PASSION, WHICH WAS THE LAST DAY OF CHRIST LIFE BEFORE HE WAS CRUCIFIED.

AND I GOTTA TELL YOU, UH, WHAT W YOU KNOW, THE ACTING WAS INCREDIBLE.

IT WAS ACTING, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET ANY MORE REALISTIC THAN WHAT MEL GIBSON AS THE PRODUCER DIRECTOR, UH, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, PUT TOGETHER.

AND, UM, IF YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, NOWADAYS THINGS ON TELEVISION, STAY ON TELEVISION FOREVER, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO WATCH THE PASSION, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE CHRISTIAN FACES A LITTLE BIT, CHRISTIAN FAITH IS A LITTLE BIT SHAKY, UH, BUT A WONDERFUL WHAT A PRESENTATION OF THE LIFE AND DEATH OF CHRIST, AT LEAST THE LAST DAY OF HIS LIFE.

THANK YOU, CHAD.

THREE WORDS, PIRATES, INVADE YORKTOWN SATURDAY AND SUNDAY,

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10 TILL FIVE.

BE THERE.

OUR FAMILY WILL BE THERE.

IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT GREAT EVENT HERE IN YORKTOWN, KIND OF KICKING OFF THE TOURISM SEASON AND, UH, THE PIRATES WHO DOESN'T LIKE PIRATES.

SO ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, THE THREE WORDS.

SO THIS EXCITING TIME IN THE COUNTY, BECAUSE A LOT OF BIG, IMPORTANT INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS HAPPENING, MR. BELLINI WENT OVER THEM.

THIS EVEN WITH THE LIBRARY AND THE NEW FIRE STATION IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICE.

AND I WAS TALKING TO MRS. SMITH, UM, BEFORE THE MEETING ABOUT SOME OF THE TECHNOLOGY WE CAN EXPECT TO SEE AT THE NEW, UM, THE NEW LIBRARY, NEW RESIDENTS, ACCESSIBLE TECHNOLOGY, AND I'M A LITTLE JEALOUS.

UM, I THINK I MAY JUST NEED TO STEP MY GAME.

I PERSONALLY, AT HOME AND KINDA CATCH UP TO WHAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA BE PUTTING IN PLACE THAT WERE VERY EXCITING TO SEE YOU SEE THAT COME TO FRUITION AND ACTUALLY PUT MY HANDS WITH SOME OF THAT STUFF WHEN THE TIME COMES.

WELL.

IT WAS ALSO NICE TO KNOW THERE ARE SOME, UH, QUALITY LIFE IMPROVEMENTS WE'RE SEEING HAPPENING WITHIN THE PRIVATE SECTOR TOO.

UH, RECENTLY IF YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN, UH, OR ON, UM, 17 IN FRONT OF THE, UM, POST OFFICE, YOU'LL NOW SEE A SIGN THAT SAYS DAIRY QUEEN COMING SOMEWHERE AT 2022.

SO I'M PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

ANOTHER GREAT LITTLE RESTAURANT THEN, UM, AND TREAT PLACE, UH, FOR FOLKS.

AND I NOTICED TOO THAT SOME MORE ACTIVITY WITH BILL'S RESTAURANTS PAST DAY AND AT BIG CRANE OUT THERE MOVING STEEL AROUND.

SO ANOTHER RESTAURANT OPPORTUNITY, HOPEFULLY COMING UP SOON.

SO HAPPY TO SEE THAT AS WELL.

SO A LOT OF INTEREST IN CONSTRUCTION STUFF HAPPENING IN THE COUNTY.

AND, UH, CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT ALL WRAP UP.

THANKS VERY MUCH, TOM.

I'M GOING TO KIND OF GET AHEAD A LITTLE BIT OF BOARD AGENDA TONIGHT.

SO I'LL TAKE MY TIME TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.

AND, UH, NEIL, ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE BEEN GETTING SOME INPUT, NOT A GREAT DEAL INPUT.

PEOPLE ARE VERY HAPPY WITH THE COUNTY THAT I THINK THEY'RE HAPPY WITH THE WAY THE IS RUN.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE SO MUCH TO BE, TO BE HAPPY AND THANKFUL FOR, AND IT'S COUNTY.

IT'S NOT JUST THIS BOARD, BUT, UH, ALL THE PREVIOUS BOARDS BEFORE WE DIDN'T GET HERE BY ACCIDENT, WE GOT HERE BECAUSE OF DEDICATED, UH, LEADERSHIP, UH, UNDERSTANDING, WORKING THE DETAILS, FIGHTING OVER THE, EVERY PENNY AND DIME WE'VE GOT.

AND WE END UP WITH, UH, WITH A COUNTY GOVERNMENT, UM, THAT, UH, IS VERY FRUGAL AND ITS OPERATION.

UH, WE'RE ONE OF THE MOST WEALTHY COUNTIES, UH, IN THE UNITED STATES AND IN THE, IN THE ALL OF HAMPTON ROADS, I THINK BECAUSE CITY BICOASTAL HAS GOT A HIGHER, HIGHER, UM, UH, PER CAPITAL INCOME THAN US, BUT BY ONLY MAYBE A THOUSAND DOLLARS OR MORE AND WHERE WE ARE MOST, AND THIS IS THE THING, MOST COUNTIES HAVE A HAVE A, UM, A PER CAPITA INCOME AROUND 36 TO MAYBE $40,000.

AND HERE WE ARE SITTING UP AT AN 89,000 AND $90,000 AS PER CAPITA.

SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY AMAZING NOW, ALL THAT BEING SAID, PEOPLE STILL, AND WE, WE, WE, WE HAVE TO FIGHT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DOING.

NOW.

ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS I GET OFTEN IS THAT, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE DO A COMPARISON BETWEEN COUNTIES AND CITIES ON TAX RATES.

YEP.

GREAT.

AND WE, AND MOST PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE HAVE ONE OF THE LOWEST TAX RATES IN THE COUNTY YET OUR HOME VALUES SHOOT UP.

AND WHEN IT DOES, IS IT JUST, YOU END UP WITH A TAX INCREASE, SO WE TRY TO OFFSET IT WITH SOME SORT OF TAX REDUCTION.

UM, AND THEN ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALK ABOUT, HOW DO YOU COMPARE CITIES AND COUNTIES TOGETHER WITH COUNTY? THEY'RE EASY TO COMPARE, UH, CITIES AND COUNTIES ARE A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT.

AND WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS THAT W W DOESN'T SOUND FAIR TO DO THAT.

AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT, UH, YEAH, WE, WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE THE BIG DIFFERENCES, ONE OF THE BIG DIFFERENCES, AND YOU CAN KIND OF PUT A SOCIAL, THE SOCIAL SIDE OF ISSUES, BUT WE, WE STILL, WE WORK LIKE WITH CITY OF NEWPORT NEWS AND WHATNOT ON HOMELESSNESS AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.

BUT ONE OF THE BIG DIFFERENCES IS ROAD PROJECTS.

WE DON'T OWN ROADS AND YOUR COUNTY CITIES OWN ROADS.

AND SO IF YOU HAVE TO DO A COMPARISON, AND I DIDN'T REALIZE WE HAD HAD, WE'VE DONE A STUDY SEVERAL YEARS AGO ABOUT THIS.

AND SO FOR US TO TAKE OVER ROAD OWNERSHIP, AND LET ME TELL YOU WHAT, THAT WOULD NOT BE AN EASY THING TO DO.

IN FACT, SOME ASPECTS OF IT, EVEN IF WE TOOK OVER PARTS OF IT WOULD BE VERY COMPLICATED AND BE VERY COSTLY, BUT IT WOULD JACK UP OUR TAX RATE AROUND 10 AND A HALF CENTS MORE.

BUT WHEN YOU ADD THAT TO OUR CURRENT TAX RATE, GUESS WHAT? YOU STILL SEE THAT OUR TAX RATES ARE LOWER THAN JURISDICTIONS AROUND US.

THE ONLY ONE IS THE SMALL, SMALL CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG, WHICH IS ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AS ONE OF OUR DISTRICTS.

SO IF YOU THINK OF IT, OUR COUNTY IS LIKE FOR WILLIAMSBURG OR FOR A CITY OF MOCASSINS.

COUNTIES IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, BUT OUR POPULATION DENSITY OR NOT DENSITY, BUT OUR POPULATIONS LIKE THE 19TH LARGEST IN THE STATE.

WE'VE GOT 70,000 PEOPLE IN HERE WHERE THE THIRD SMALLEST COUNTY IN THE, IN THE, OF THE 95

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UM, AND WE HAVE A WIDE VARIETY OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN HERE.

THE DENSITY OF OUR POPULATIONS COMPLETELY IS DIFFERENT.

AND SO WE TALK ABOUT THESE COMPARISONS AND WE TRY TO GIVE IT A KNOWLEDGE TO PEOPLE IN OUR MUNICIPALITY.

SO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING FOR YOUR MONEY.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM, WHICH IS A MAJOR DRIVER FOR WHY OUR HOUSE VALUES ARE SO HIGH, WHY OUR CRIME RATE IS SO LOW AND WHY WE HAVE SUCH GREAT QUALITY IT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL AND THE FUNDING OF OUR SCHOOLS.

AND WE'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN PRODUCING HIGH QUALITY EDUCATION IN THIS COMMUNITY.

SO UNDERSTANDING THESE THINGS IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT, HOWEVER, THAT DOES NOT ANSWER THE MAIL AND EVERY CASE.

SO, UH, NEELA, YOU, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THIS AGAIN AND AGAIN, UNTIL WE GET THIS THING SQUARED AWAY, BUT WE MADE IT, YOU MADE A PROPOSAL AND YOU GAVE US SOME LOGIC, UH, TO WHY YOUR, YOUR PROPOSAL FOR YOUR BUDGET, UH, IS SUCH AS IT IS.

WELL, I WROTE DOWN A COUPLE NOTES.

UM, THE SERVICE CONTRACTS, YOU KNOW, YOU TALKED ABOUT SERVICE CONTRACTS.

THAT'S A WAY WE CAN SAY WE'RE GOING TO SAVE MONEY, STRATEGIC LOANING, OR LEARNING WHAT BORROWING, OKAY.

THAT GIVES, I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHAT FOLKS I'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH THIS AT THE BILLION DOLLAR LEVEL, WITH THE HAMPTON ROADS, TACTICAL, UM, UH, TRANSPORTATION FINANCE COMMITTEE, WHICH I'M ON.

AND, YOU KNOW, TODAY WE WERE LOOKING AT A BILLION AND A HALF OKAY.

OF HOW TO STRATEGICALLY BORROW.

UH, AND SO WE'RE KIND OF DOING THE SAME THING THAT THEY'RE DOING.

IT'S A PRETTY STANDARD OPERATION.

HOWEVER, IT'S EXTREMELY COMPLICATED AND NOT EASY TO UNDERSTAND OUR CITIZENS.

SOMEHOW WE GOT TO COMMUNICATE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO PURCHASE NEW NEW VEHICLES, HOW'S PURCHASING NEW VEHICLES GOING TO SAVE US MONEY.

THESE ARE THINGS THAT CITIZENS STILL NEED TO UNDERSTAND.

AND WE HAVE GOT TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN THAT, OR WE'VE GOT TO GO TAKE ANOTHER ROUTE.

RIGHT NOW THE PROPOSAL IS TO REDUCE IT, REDUCE OUR TAX RATE.

BUT THAT AGAIN DOES NOT LOWER OUR TAXES TO WHAT IT IS BEFORE THIS EIGHT.

NOW, WHAT ARE WE? EIGHT ELVIN STATE PERCENT OVER 8% AND INFLATION HAS TAKEN PLACE.

AND FOR THOSE OF US THAT HAVE LIVED THROUGH HIGH INFLATION, LEAVE ME, IT DOESN'T GET ANY BETTER.

IT GETS WORSE.

AND WITH SOME OF US HAVE SEEN WHERE THE INFLATION RATE WAS HIGH AS 18%.

TRANSPORTATION, FUEL COSTS.

AND THAT WASN'T TOO MANY YEARS AGO OR TOO MANY DECADES AGO.

SO THIS THING IS PRETTY COMPLICATED AND WE JUST NEED TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN IT TO OUR CITIZENS AS BEST WE CAN.

SO, BUT I, I JUST, I I'M FRUSTRATED.

I'M REALLY KIND OF FRUSTRATED.

AND, AND ONE ASPECT OF THIS FOR THE CITIZENS, I'M GONNA TRY TO EDUCATE YOU ON THIS VERY QUICKLY.

IF SOMEBODY TELLS YOU THAT THEY'RE GOING TO CUT TAXES AND INCREASED SERVICE, YOU BETTER PAY, BETTER PAY YOUR, YOUR RADAR BETTER GO UP AND YOU BETTER BE PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION, BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE SAYING MAKES NO SENSE.

EVERYTHING'S COSTING US.

THE CITIZENS AND EMPLOYEES, STEEL, CONCRETE, ANYTHING WE BUY, EVERYTHING WE DO IS JUST LIKE ON THE OUTSIDE WORLD, THE PRICE IS GOING UP.

EVERYTHING IS GOING UP JUST LIKE, AS IT DOES FOR YOU AT HOME, IT GOES UP FOR OUR COUNTY.

AND WE'VE GOTTA BE ABLE TO BALANCE THAT OUT IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ANYTHING AWAY.

I'VE SINCE WE STILL HAVE SOME TIME, I'M GOING TO MOVE TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

FROM, FROM THIS DISCUSSION, IF YOU WILL, THAT YOU'LL HAVE OVER THE NEXT WEEK OR SO, IS THAT OUR BUDGET WAS NOT BUILT BY A BUNCH OF CLOWNS.

OUR BUDGET WAS BUILT BY PEOPLE THAT REALLY UNDERSTAND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF WHAT IS BEING BOUGHT AND WHAT IS BEING NEEDED TO MEET THE STRATEGIC PRIORITIES OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT WE'VE SET.

SO IF WE TAKE MONEY FROM, FROM THESE PROGRAMS, YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE A SERVICE AND MAY NOT BE IMPORTANT TO THIS SIDE OF THE ROOM, BUT IT MAY BE VERY IMPORTANT TO THIS SIDE OF THE ROOM.

AND WHAT WE'VE GOT TO DO IS BALANCE IT OUT.

SO I WANT CITIZENS NEED TO, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF INFORMATION FLOATING AROUND OUT THERE.

SOME OF IT MAKES NO SENSE, SOME OF IT'S FAULTS AND SOME OF IT'S TRUE, AND YOU NOW ARE GOING TO HAVE TO STEP UP AND FIGURE OUT WHICH IS WHICH, OKAY, THANK YOU.

WELL SAID, MR. SHEPHERD.

[CONSENT CALENDAR]

NOW LET'S SEE.

WE'VE GOT A FEW MORE MINUTES.

SO WE'LL GO TO ITEM.

NUMBER SEVEN IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

NUMBER EIGHT IS THE L STEADY NEWS AWARDS SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM.

NINE REQUEST FOR REFUND OF REAL PROPERTY TAXES FROM MAINSTAY LLC.

ITEM NUMBER 10 IS PUBLIC SEWER EXTENSION AGREEMENT WITH

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DAWSON'S LANDING 11 IS A PURCHASE RESOLUTION FOR THE YORK COUNTY LIBRARY, AUDIO VISUAL EQUIPMENT.

NUMBER 12 IS A PURCHASE RESOLUTION FOR THE, YOUR ACCOUNT LIBRARY FOR MACHINES.

NUMBER 13 IS A CONTRACT FOR WINTER ROAD, WHICH IS KING'S AVILA, SEWER, RELINING PROJECT.

AND, UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ONE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS 11 AND 12? I SEE A DIRECTOR SMITH HERE.

13 ABOUT THE YOU WEREN'T THERE.

YOU WANT 11 AND 12.

AND DID I HEAR 13? YES.

APRIL, WE GET A CHANCE, WHICH ONE? EIGHT, EIGHT.

WELL, WE'LL START WITH EIGHT SINCE THAT'S ON THE LIST.

GO AHEAD.

SO I HAD THE PRIVILEGE THIS AGAIN, THIS YEAR TO PARTICIPATE IN THE, UM, IN THE OUTSTANDING YOUTH YOUTH AWARDS.

UM, AND I I'LL TELL YOU WHAT HAVING BEEN ON THE BOARD THAT LONG.

SO I REALLY CAN'T COMPARE YEARS PAST, BUT I'LL TELL YOU THE BINDER THAT WE RECEIVED THIS YEAR, IT WAS VERY THICK, UH, VERY, UH, QUALIFIED, UM, YOUTH ACROSS THE COUNTY THAT, THAT DESERVE A HARD LOOK AT, AND IT WAS, IT WAS AGAIN, A DIFFICULT CHALLENGE FOR US MAKING THE DECISIONS ON WHICH IS THE BEST CANDIDATE AND CANDIDATE AGAINST THE FOUR DIFFERENT CATEGORIES TO CHOOSE FROM.

BUT THE BIG TAKEAWAY FOR ME WAS JUST TO SEE SUCH LARGE QUALITY OF STUDENTS IN THIS COUNTY.

AND IT GIVES YOU A LOT OF HOPE FOR, YOU KNOW, LEADERS LATER ON IN LIFE, GOING INTO SCHOOL, THE ONE, THE PROFIT SECTOR, MAYBE COMING BACK INTO YOUR COUNTY TO KNOW, TO PROVIDE THAT LEADERSHIP TO US AS WELL.

SO GREAT CANDIDATES THERE.

I'M VERY HONORED TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT AGAIN, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEE WHAT THEY DO AS THEY MOVE FORWARD IN LIFE.

SO, SO THANK YOU STEVEN.

EVERY YEAR WE GO THROUGH THIS AND IT'S, IT AMAZES ME THE QUALITY OF STUDENTS AND APPLICANTS THAT WE HAVE.

SO I'M GLAD THAT YOU ALSO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO STUDY THEM.

UH, NUMBER 11 IS THE PURCHASE RESOLUTION FOR THE LIBRARY, KEVIN SMITH.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORWARD, PLEASE? WHEN YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, NO BOARD MEMBERS.

IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I'VE SEEN YOU FACE TO FACE.

THERE'S THIS REALLY NICE.

THAT IT HAS.

IF YOU COULD JUST, UH, UH, EXPAND ON THE PURCHASE OF THE AUDIO VISUAL EQUIPMENT AND ALSO YOU CAN, UH, WRAP IT UP WITH THE FURNITURE.

THE SAME AMENITIES AND THE SAME CAPABILITIES YOU WOULD IF YOU WERE ATTENDING A CONFERENCE OR GO INTO A CONFERENCE CENTER AND THE STUDENTS, UM, THE K THROUGH 12, AS WELL AS THE COLLEGE STUDENTS, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT LEARNING COMMONS EXPERIENCE THAT THEY'VE GROWN USED TO ON THEIR CAMPUSES AND FOR FURNITURE FURNITURE.

FOR, FOR THE AAV, UM, EQUIPMENT, UM, A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING INTO THAT NEW BUILDING, ONE, ONE OF THE BIG COMPONENTS IN THAT BUILDING ARE, WE'VE GONE FROM ONE MEETING ROOM TO NINE MEETING SPACES IN THERE.

SO WE'RE PUTTING, WE'RE BUYING THE AUDIO VISUAL EQUIPMENT THAT WILL GO INTO ALL NINE OF THOSE MEETING SPACES.

ONE IS A GIANT AUDITORIUM THAT CAN ACTUALLY BE SPLIT INTO TWO SMALLER ROOMS. AND BOTH SIDES OF THAT ROOM WILL NEED TELECOM AND AUDIO VISUAL EQUIPMENT IN THERE.

AND WE'RE TALKING PROJECTORS AND SCREENS AND THE SOUND SYSTEM, BECAUSE WE WANT THAT MAIN ROOM.

IT'S A REALLY AN AUDITORIUM, ALMOST THE SIZE OF THIS ROOM HERE, THAT WE CAN HAVE CULTURAL ARTS PROGRAMS. AND WHAT HAVE YOU, UH, THE OTHER ARE, UM, PLACES FOR STUDENTS AND, AND CITIZENS IN GENERAL TO COME AND MEET.

AND THE, THE TELECOM CAPABILITIES IN THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT SOFTWARE ALSO THAT WE WANT IT TO BE A GREAT EXPERIENCE, A USER-FRIENDLY EXPERIENCE FOR STUDENTS AS WELL AS CITIZENS AND IN PARTICULAR, OUR BUSINESS, UM, UM, PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING TO THE LIBRARY, THIS PANDEMIC, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN, GOTTEN RID OF THEIR OFFICES AND THEY'RE COMING TO THE BUILDING TO THE LIBRARIES TO, TO CONDUCT THEIR BUSINESS AND TO, TO WORK USING ALL OF THE WIFI NETWORKS WE HAVE.

SO, UM, THE NEW BUILDING WILL HAVE MULTIPLE WIFI CAPABILITY, VERY ROBUST SYSTEM.

AND WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO COME IN WITH WHATEVER IT DOES.

I SAY, HAVE LAPTOP, TABLET, OR PHONE, AND BE ABLE TO, TO, UM, UM, WHAT DID WE CALL IT? UM, WEBCAST.

SO THEY CAN USE ONE OF OUR MEETING ROOMS. THEY DON'T NEED TO ASK US FOR VARIOUS CORDS AND PLUGS AND WHATEVER THEY CAN GO IN AND LOG IN AND BE ABLE TO, TO TELECONFERENCE OR TO DO WHATEVER BUSINESS THEY NEED TO DO.

SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.

IF I MAY, MS. JONES, I DO HAVE A QUESTION, SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID MR. SMITH IN TERMS OF BUSINESSES.

OH, A LOT OF BUSINESSES SHUTTING THEIR BRICKS AND BORDER OFFICES DOWN AND MOVING THEIR BUSINESS DE FACTO TO THE LIBRARY, CONDUCTING THEIR BUSINESS, THE LIBRARY.

I DON'T THINK HE MEANT TO SAY THAT, RIGHT? NO, THEY'RE NOT CONDUCTING THEIR BUSINESS.

I'M SAYING THEY'RE DOING, THEY'RE USING OUR FACILITY TO DO THEIR WORK BUILDING.

IF I SET THAT DOWN, MOVE INTO MS. MS. KNOWLES LIBRARY, THAT WOULD BE KOSHER WITH IT.

NO, SIR.

NO, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT THE LIBRARIES ARE A PLACE FOR NOT JUST FOR STUDENTS, BUT FOR CITIZENS IN GENERAL.

AND WE WANT IT TO BE A NICE, AND WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS IF YOU ARE A BUSINESS PERSON OR A CITIZEN, YOU CAN WALK IN AND HAVE

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UM, SO WE'VE DOUBLED THAT BUILDING.

WE'VE GONE.

IT'S, UH, IT'S DOUBLED.

WE WENT FROM 11,000 SQUARE FEET TO 22,000 SQUARE FEET.

UM, ONE MAJOR SECTION OF THAT WILL BE A NEW CHILDREN'S WING WHERE THE OLD LIBRARY HAD A CORNER.

I CALLED IT THE CHILDREN'S CORNER.

NOW WE'VE GOT A WHOLE WING.

THAT'S GOING TO BE DEDICATED TO YOUTH SERVICES AS WELL AS TEEN SPACE.

AND WE'VE HAD TO BUY, UM, SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OF FURNITURE.

AND ONE OF, UM, TWO OF THE PURCHASES ON YOUR DOCKET TONIGHT, UH, TO EQUIP THAT 11, THAT 22,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH AGAIN, WHEN WE THINK WE'RE GONNA OPEN FALL OF THIS YEAR.

SO I'VE BEEN SAYING LATE FALL OF THIS YEAR.

SO, BECAUSE AS MR. BELLAMY WAS TALKING, UH, ONCE THE, THE BUILDING IS SEALED, THEY'LL START WORKING ON THAT.

UH, WE ARE AGAIN, UH, BECAUSE OF, UH, UM, TREMENDOUS LEAD TIME.

WE'RE PLACING FURNITURE ORDERS NOW IN THE HOPES THAT IT'LL BE DELIVERED SIX MONTHS FROM NOW.

AND, UM, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT ALSO JUST A MAJOR SURCHARGE, EVERYTHING FROM STEEL SHELVING TO FURNITURE EVERYBODY'S JUST TACKING ON, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY COME UP WITH A PERCENTAGE AND JUST TACK IT ON.

SO, ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND I THINK NUMBER 13.

UM, THE SEWER, RIGHT.

I WANT TO JUST, I CAN, UH, WRITE IF YOU WANT TO COME UP, BUT I, BUT I THINK I'M JUST GOING TO SUMMARIZE THIS.

THE REASON I BROUGHT THIS UP WAS THAT, UM, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS WE HAVE A, IT'S THE KING VILLA PUMP STATION, AND IT'S THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND YOUR DISTRICT AND, UM, AND YOUR, UH, TAB, UH, DAMN MOUNT VERNON AND, UH, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TAB, MIDDLE SCHOOL AREA.

AND, UH, WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU GOT AN OLD SEWER SYSTEM DOWN THERE, BUT, UM, IT'S NEAR A STREAM.

AND YOU, AS THE DESCRIPTION IN THE, THE PACKAGE SHOWS THAT YOU HAVE A SEWER CAP AND A SEWER SYSTEM IS DOWN PRETTY MUCH AT THE BOTTOM OF IS NEAR THE STREAM WHERE THE STREAM COMES DOWN TOWARDS THE COAST AND REVERSE WHERE IT DUMPS INTO.

RIGHT? SO, SO WE GET A LOT OF RAIN COMES POURING IN HERE.

AND HISTORICALLY WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN VIRGINIA IS THAT YOU GET A LOT OF RAIN, GUESS WHAT? IT'S SEEPS INTO THE SEWER SYSTEM, AND IT GETS BAD ENOUGH.

AND IF YOU DON'T HANDLE IT PROPERLY, IT BLOWS OUT THE PIPES.

IT BLOWS OUT OF THE SYSTEM OVER OVERWHELMS IT, AND GUESS WHAT? THE SEWER GOES, GOES RIGHT INTO THE RIVER.

AND WHAT HAPPENS IN THOSE RIVERS IS THAT THE, A, IT BASICALLY CONDEMNS RESULTING IN CONDEMNATION OF THE, ANY, ANY SEAFOOD, BASICALLY LIKE OYSTERS, WHATEVER YOU CAN'T SELL THAT OYSTERS.

AND YOU'D BE CRAZY TO ACTUALLY EAT IT.

AND IF YOU GO BACK A COUPLE OF YEARS, ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO, WE HAD A CITIZEN GROUP AND HERE THAT WAS PRETTY UPSET ABOUT ALL THIS STUFF.

MOORE'S CREEK BEING AN EXAMPLE.

AND WHAT THEY DID IS THEY WENT AND LEARN HOW TO DO BACTERIAL COUNTS.

AND THE COUNT CAME BACK SO HIGH.

AND IT WAS SO OUTRAGEOUS THAT I WOULDN'T EVEN PUT MY HANDS IN THE WATER.

THAT'S HOW BAD IT WAS.

AND IT WAS COMING FROM, UH, IT COULD BE, DEER COULD BE COMING FROM THE GEESE, COULD BE COMING FROM THE FARMS. IT DOESN'T MATTER, BUT HERE IT IS.

WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO UNDER CONSENT DECREE IS STOP THE STOP, THE POLLUTION OF OUR CREEKS AND RIVERS.

NOW YOU CAN GO DIG ALL THIS STUFF UP AT, WHICH IS PRETTY DESTRUCTIVE TO THE COMMUNITY.

IT MAY BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO DO, OR YOU CAN GO IN AND PUT A SEWER LINE OR IN IT.

AND THE REASON I'M BRINGING THIS UP, BECAUSE THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF, OF BUDGETING FOR, FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS AND THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE IS THAT OUR, OUR BUDGET FOR PUBLIC WORKS IS ABOUT 6%, SIX AND A HALF PERCENT OF OUR BUDGET, I BELIEVE.

AND YOU GUYS KIND OF OVERSEE THESE CONTRACTS AND ALL THIS STUFF GOING IN.

SO TO FIX THIS PROBLEM THAT NO ONE PAYS ATTENTION TO, EXCEPT FOR OUR COUNTY AND PEOPLE, EVEN IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, WOULDN'T EVEN RECOGNIZE IT, BUT WE HAVE A LEGAL OBLIGATION AND A MORAL OBLIGATION TO FIX IT.

IT FALLS WITHIN THIS 6% OF OUR BUDGET.

AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IS SIMPLY PUT A LINER BECAUSE WE HAVE NOW A CAPITAL PRODUCT CAPITAL PROJECT, BUT A, UM, WELL, IT IS A CAPITAL PROJECT AND IT, AND WHAT IT IS IS OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.

OUR INFRASTRUCTURE GETS OLD AND WE GOT TO FIX IT.

SO THEY, THE ENGINEERING HAS COME UP WITH THE IDEA OF LET'S PUT A LINER IN THERE.

SO WE'RE ABLE TO SEAL THIS STUFF UP, KEEP IT FROM LEAKING AND POLLUTING OUR RIVERS CREEK.

GUESS WHAT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE COST OF ALMOST A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS JUST TO DO THAT.

AND IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE GOT TO DO.

THERE'S ARE OUR BUDGET IS

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FULL OF THESE THINGS.

AND THAT'S WHY I WANT TO USE THIS AS A PRIMARY EXAMPLE OF HOW WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF OUR ENVIRONMENT AND MEET OUR OBLIGATIONS.

BUT IT COMES OUT OF A VERY SMALL PORTION OF OUR BUDGET.

AND THERE'S MANY OF THEM, THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF THESE PRIORITIZED PROJECTS THAT WE GOT TO DEAL.

I SAY ANYTHING WRONG, VERY WELL SAID.

OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU, MR. WOODWARD.

I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENDANCE.

WE'VE BEEN TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE IT.

IT'S BEEN MOVED.

ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

THE MOTION MADE BY MR. GREEN IS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED MR. MR. GREEN, MR. ROWAN, MR. SHEPHERD, MRS. NOLE.

MOTION CARRIES.

AND NOW I'D LIKE TO CALL THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, NEIL MORGAN FOR THE BUDGET HEARING NEIL.

WE'LL RISK RECESS UNTIL SEVEN O'CLOCK.

WHEN WE OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, WE'RE BACK FROM RECESS.

[1. Fiscal Year 2023 Budget. Receive public comment on proposed FY2023 Budget.]

GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS OF THE VIEWING PUBLIC.

UM, SO TONIGHT ARE THE BUDGET PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND IT'S, I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT IT'S A LITTLE STRANGE, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE BUDGET BECAUSE IT'S ALL EITHER MONEY COMING OR GOING.

UH, BUT THE WAY, UH, OUR POLICY AND LAW IS SET UP, UH, WE HAVE THREE DISTINCT PUBLIC HEARINGS.

AND SO THE FIRST ONE IS ON THE BUDGET, WRIT LARGE, EVERYTHING IN THE BUDGET.

UH, THE SECOND ONE, UH, IS SEPARATELY REQUIRED BY THE STATE.

UH, AND THIS IS WHERE, UH, YOU ANNOUNCE, UH, WHAT THE EFFECTIVE TAX RATE IS.

IN OTHER WORDS, WITHOUT TAKING INFLATION INTO ACCOUNT, UH, HOW MUCH, UH, THE, UH, REVENUE IS GOING UP COMPARED TO, UH, WHAT IT WOULD HAVE IF YOU CUT THE TAXES AND ENOUGH TO MAKE IT NOMINAL.

AND THEN THE THIRD ONE IS THE ACTUAL, UH, PROPOSED RATE, UH, THAT WAS ADVERTISED, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, WHICH IS OF COURSE THE, THE NUMBER OF THE 78 CENTS THAT WE DISCUSSED.

SO I'M JUST MAKE A FEW COMMENTS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FIRST ONE.

AND THEN AS THE CHAIRMAN GOES THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, THEY'LL JUST BE SORT OF A PROMPT SLIDE FOR THE SECOND AND THE THIRD ONE, BUT I, YOU KNOW, UNLESS THE BOARD HAS QUESTIONS OF ME, I WON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY AFTER THE FIRST ONE.

SO THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MAIN EVENT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED IS THE OVERALL PROPOSED A BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023, WHICH OF COURSE INCLUDES THE OPERATING BUDGET AND IS INCLUSIVE OF THE FIRST YEAR OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

AND OF COURSE THE PURPOSE IS TO ALLOW ALL INTERESTED PARTIES, TO GIVE COMMENTS TO THE BOARD AS REQUIRED BY LAW.

AND, UH, YOU'VE RECEIVED TWO RATHER DETAILED PRESENTATIONS AT BOARD MEETINGS, AND I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL THAT AGAIN SINCE MARCH 15TH, UH, THE BUDGET, AS WELL AS, UM, THE VIDEOS OF THE PRESENTATIONS AND THE MEETINGS HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE, UH, TO THE VIEWING PUBLIC.

UH, I THINK WE'RE ALL AWARE THAT PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, FUNDING, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION AND THE SCHOOL CONTRIBUTION ARE THE FUNDING PRIORITIES IN THIS RECOMMENDATION.

AND I WASN'T SURE IF I SHOULD SHARE THIS AGAIN AFTER MR. SHEPHERD'S COMMENTS, BUT I COULDN'T RESIST.

UH, AND I NEVER WANT TO IMPLY THAT IT'S AN ABSOLUTE FAIR COMPARISON BECAUSE EVERY LOCALITY HAS UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES.

UH, AND AGAIN, UH, WE DON'T IN EVERY CASE, KNOW WHAT OTHER LOCALITIES ARE DOING THIS YEAR.

WE TRY TO MODIFY THIS, BUT, YOU KNOW, THINGS KEEP CHANGING UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE.

BUT WHAT WE DO THINK IS CERTAINLY FAIR IS, UM, IF YOU COMPARE US TO THE OTHER TWO SIGNIFICANTLY SIZED COUNTIES, UH, JAMES CITY AND ISLE OF WIGHT, UH, YOU SEE WHERE OUR RECOMMENDED RATE COMPARES.

UM, AND TOM HAD ALSO MENTIONED WILLIAMSBURG BEFORE, SO WE COMPARE PRETTY FAVORABLY AND WE CERTAINLY AREN'T, UM, LOSING ANY GROUND WITH THIS RECOMMENDED BUDGET MENTIONED PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RATE AGAIN, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE ONE OF THE LOWEST RATES.

AND AS WE MENTIONED IN THE OTHER PRESENTATIONS, WE DO EXPECT A SHORT TERM INCREASE IN CAR TAXES BASED ON THE VALUE OF RELATIVELY NEW USED CARS.

ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS AROUND THE STATE ARE REPORTING THAT.

AND, UH, SINCE WE HAVE A LOW RATE, WE THOUGHT THAT THE BEST POLICY WAS JUST TO MAINTAIN OUR LOW RATE.

THERE'S A VERY GOOD CHANCE THAT AFTER ONE YEAR, THIS PHENOMENON WILL DISSIPATE.

AND TRUTHFULLY, IF WE DO HAVE,

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UM, A STRONG FINANCIAL PERFORMANCE, PARTLY AS A RESULT OF THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX, UM, THAT ANY SURPLUS WOULD MORE THAN LIKELY BE WHAT WE WOULD USE TO FUND THOSE CAPITAL PROJECTS, WHICH MAY COME IN, UH, HIGHER THAN WHAT WE BUDGETED FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT MR. BELLAMY AND SOME OF YOU DISCUSSED.

SO AGAIN, THIS JUST SUMMARIZES THE EXPENDITURE PLAN, UM, BY THE GENERAL FUND AND ALL OF THE SPECIAL FUNDS AND THE, UH, THE CAPITAL PROJECT FUND, UH, INCLUDES THE LAW ENFORCEMENT BUILDING.

SO IT KIND OF MAKES THE OVERALL NUMBER LOOK A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN IT WOULD IN A TYPICAL YEAR WHEN THE CAPITAL PROJECTS NUMBER WOULD BE, UH, SOMEWHAT SMALLER.

AND OF COURSE, THERE'S ALSO TRANSFERS BETWEEN FUNDS AND YOU HAVE TO SUBTRACT THAT FOR A NET NUMBER OF TOTAL SPENDING IN THIS RECOMMENDATION.

THERE ARE SOME ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE, UH, REPORTED TO YOU IN LAST FRIDAY'S CORRESPONDENCE PACKAGE THAT CAME OUT OF YOUR LAST WORK SESSION, AND I'LL JUST, UH, DETAIL THOSE FOR EVERYBODY, UH, VIEWING TONIGHT, UH, AT THE BOARD'S DIRECTION, WE HAVE MADE A CHANGE IN THE ELDERLY AND DISABLED, UH, TAX RELIEF PROGRAM.

AND FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR, WHAT YOU DIRECTED ME TO DO WAS MAKE A FLAT 10%, UH, INCREASE IN ALL THE CATEGORIES.

SO THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS FOR QUALIFYING THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS FOR BEING CAPPED, THE AMOUNT OF ASSETS OTHER THAN YOUR HOUSE, THAT YOU CAN HOLD IN THE AMOUNT OF, UM, TAXES THAT ARE REDUCED IN EACH CATEGORY.

IT'S THE FLAT 10% ACROSS THE BOARD.

WE ASSURED THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE THAT YOU ALL WERE OKAY WITH THAT, SO THAT SHE COULD START, UH, THE PAPERWORK THAT SHE NEEDS TO DO TO GIVE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THE TIME TO APPLY FOR THAT PROGRAM.

WE'D ALSO INDICATED THAT FROM THE TIME WE RECOMMENDED THE BUDGET, THAT FUEL COSTS HAD INCREASED.

AND SO WE SAID THAT WE WOULD LOOK FOR OTHER TWEAKS IN THE BUDGET WOULD ALLOW US TO, UH, INCREASE THE, UH, PER GALLON AMOUNT OF MONEY WE HAVE AVAILABLE FOR FUEL COSTS.

AND YOU SEE THAT HERE.

UH, WE DID THAT BY, UM, TAKING ANOTHER LOOK AT DEBT SERVICE AND OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT BELIEVES THAT, UM, WITH THE DEBT, THE DEBT SERVICE SCHEDULE, AS WE NOW UNDERSTAND IT, WE WERE ABLE TO TRIM THAT NUMBER BACK.

UM, WE ALSO, UH, INCREASED STATE REVENUE.

NOW, AS WE KNOW, WE HAVE NO STATE BUDGET, BUT BASED ON WHAT WE UNDERSTAND ABOUT REIMBURSEMENTS FOR CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS, WE BELIEVE THAT WILL PROBABLY COME IN ABOUT $50,000 HIGHER THAN THE NUMBER WE HAD IN THE BUDGET ORIGINALLY.

SO, UH, WITH A FEW OTHER MINOR CHANGES, YOU NET OUT THOSE CHANGES AND YOU SEE THE, UM, THE REVENUE, THE $59,000 REVENUE ADJUSTMENT, UH, THAT'S THE NET RESULT OF THOSE CHANGES.

AND, UM, SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE I STOPPED FOR THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING.

PEOPLE IN SCHOOLS, ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, EVERY ONE OF THOSE PROPOSALS BASED ON STAFF INFORMATION AND SAID, THEY'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THEMSELVES.

I'LL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE HAVE ONE CITIZEN WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, UH, TOM CHAMBERLAIN, WOULD YOU COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE FOR THE RECORD? AND YOU'VE GOT THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, TOM CHAMBERLIN, TWO 70 BARLOW ROAD WILLIAMSBURG.

UM, I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT SPOKE IN JANUARY AND IT LOOKS LIKE I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT'S GOING TO SPEAK TONIGHT.

UM, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE BUDGET THIS YEAR IS UP ABOUT 20%, A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN 20% FROM LAST YEAR.

I THINK 18.9% IS THE NUMBER THAT WAS PUT IN THE NEWSPAPER.

SORRY.

UM, SO THAT, THAT CONCERNS ME.

I'VE LIVED IN NEW YORK COUNTY FOR 20 YEARS AND THAT MY AMOUNT OF INCREASES IS UNPRECEDENTED IN MY TIME AND IN, IN YOUR COUNTY.

AND I'M JUST SURPRISED TO SEE IT GO UP THAT MUCH.

UM, I KNOW THERE'S A 7% INCREASE IN THEIR REAL ESTATE VALUE, AND THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT SEVEN TO EIGHT.

YOU PICK A NUMBER SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN THERE WHAT'S NOT BEEN TALKED ABOUT IN YOUR COUNTY IS THE ROUGHLY 30% INCREASE THAT'S GOING TO OCCUR IN PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES BECAUSE THE VALUE OF CARS HAVE GONE UP SO MUCH.

UM, WILLIAMSBURG, I BELIEVE CUT THEIR ASSESSED VALUE BY 20% SO THAT THEY CAN NOT TAX THE CITIZENS AT THAT HIGH LEVEL.

BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING TALKED ABOUT ANYWHERE IN YOUR COUNTY ABOUT THE DRAMATIC INCREASE THAT WE'RE ALL GOING TO SEE ON OUR PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES.

IN FACT, IF YOU RUN THAT MATH, THAT CHANGES OUR RATE FROM $4 TO $5 AND 12 CENTS WAY ABOVE EVERYBODY ELSE, WHEN YOU ADD 30% TO THE $4.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S OF CONCERN TO ME.

AND THE LAST THING I'LL ADD IS WHEN WE'VE HAD, REZONINGS WHERE WE'VE ADDED A SIGNIFICANT POPULATION, WHICH DRIVES PUBLIC SERVICE, NEW SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES,

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AND IN FACT, THEY'RE GOING TO OPERATE WITH A PLUS TO THE COUNTY.

YET, HERE WE ARE, WE'RE RAISING THE TAXES FOR THE CITIZENS, WHICH I'LL SPEAK ABOUT IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES, UM, FROM WHAT WOULD BE 74 CENTS BY STATE MANDATE, THE 78 CENTS.

AND SO THAT, THAT ALL JUST CONCERNS ME.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY MY 2 CENTS THERE AND THANKS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR 2 CENTS.

[2. Real Estate Tax Assessment Values. Receive public comment on the real estate assessment values that increased more than one percent.]

IT WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC CARE.

THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING IS A REAL ESTATE ASSESSMENT TAX AS WELL, BUT LET ME READ THIS AGAIN.

THE REAL ESTATE TAX ASSESSMENT VALUES, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I THINK WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THE SUBJECT.

I BELIEVE HIS NAME IS MR. TOM CHAMBERLIN.

WOULD YOU AGAIN, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU'VE GOT THREE MORE MINUTES.

SURE.

AND I WON'T TAKE THAT LONG, TOM CHAMBERLAIN, TWO 70 BARLOW ROAD WILLIAMSBURG.

UM, MY ONLY COMMENT ON THIS ONE IS THAT THERE'S NOWHERE OTHER THAN THE ONE-TIME AD IN THE DAILY PRESS.

THERE'S NOTHING ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

THERE'S NOTHING IN RITA HAD DOCUMENTS THAT STATES THAT THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS TO INCREASE THE STATE MANDATE MANDATED ASSESSMENT FROM 74 CENTS PER A HUNDRED DOLLARS EVALUATION TO 78 SENTENCE PER A HUNDRED DOLLAR VALUATION THAT DOESN'T APPEAR ANYWHERE ON YOUR AGENDA.

IT DOESN'T APPEAR ANYWHERE BEFORE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.

AND SO I QUESTIONED THE VALIDITY OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING WHEN WE HAVE NOT TOLD THE CITIZENS, IN FACT, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, ALL WE SAID IS IT'S MORE THAN 1%, BUT IT ACTUALLY IS.

AND YOU PUT IT IN THE PAPER IT'S INCREASING FROM 74 TO 78 CENTS.

SO I'D ASK YOU TO RECONSIDER WHETHER THIS IS A VALID PUBLIC HEARING OR NOT FOR THOSE PURPOSES.

ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? IF NOT, I'LL MOVE ON TO THAT.

I HAVE A QUESTION WHO YOU RECOMMEND.

SO GYMS, UM, SO IS THIS A FURTHER FOR THE STATEMENT BY THE GENTLEMEN THERE? IS THIS A LEGAL, ARE WE COMPLIANT WITH STATE LAW? YES, IT IS.

UM, JUST TO REFRESH EVERYBODY'S MEMORY OF WHAT REQUIRES THIS IN YEARS OF GENERAL REASSESSMENT, WHICH IS IN YOUR COUNTY EVERY TWO YEARS, IF REVENUES FROM REAL ESTATE ARE PROJECTED TO RISE BY MORE THAN A PERCENT LOWER COUNTIES HAVE TWO OPTIONS.

ONE IS TO REDUCE THE REAL ESTATE TAX RATE.

SO TO INCREASE REVENUES FROM THAT PARTICULAR SOURCE BY NO MORE THAN 1%, UH, E WAY BELOW RATES OF INFLATION, BUT NONETHELESS, OR TO RUN THE ADVERTISEMENT THAT MR. CHAMBERLIN REFERENCED AND THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN RUN THERE.

THERE'S NO OTHER REQUIREMENT TO IT.

AND THEN YOU HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO THERE WAS AN ADVERTISEMENT, IT GAVE THE, THE NUMBERS, UH, E WHAT'S WHAT THE STATUTE CALLS THE EFFECTIVE TAX RATE INCREASE.

THAT IS TO SAY HOW MUCH IT'S, IT'S YOUR, YOUR TAXES ARE GOING UP BY VIRTUE OF INCREASES IN ASSESSED VALUES.

UM, AND AS YOU'LL BE REMINDED, I'M SURE JUST A SECOND.

WHEN WE GET TO THE TAX RATES, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION TO ACTUALLY REDUCE THE TAX RATE, ALTHOUGH NOT BY AS MUCH AS WHAT OTHERWISE BE REQUIRED.

SO W WE HAVE THIS HEARING EVERY TWO YEARS, UH, THERE WERE A FEW YEARS DURING THE RECESSION WHEN IT WASN'T NECESSARY BECAUSE VALUES WENT DOWN OR IT STAYED FLAT ENOUGH.

UM, AND, UH, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE STATUTE REQUIRES.

YOU PUBLISH THE AD, YOU INFORM THE PUBLIC OF WHAT THESE TAX RATES MEAN IN TERMS OF ACTIONABLE DOLLARS.

THEN YOU HAVE PUBLIC HEARING THAT'S SO, YES, THIS IS A, THIS IS A LEGAL PUBLIC HEARING.

SO TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

SO IF YOU WOULD, FOR THE PUBLIC DESCRIBED THE EFFECTIVE TAX RATE.

SO THIS IS A CONCEPT IN STATE LAW THAT SAYS IF THE VALUES ON AVERAGE GO UP BY MORE THAN 1%, UH, CALCULATE WHAT THE RATE WOULD HAVE TO BE REDUCED TO SO THAT THERE WAS NO INCREASE ON AVERAGE.

THAT IS WHAT THE EFFECTIVE TAX RATE IS.

AND OURS WAS 74 POINT SOMETHING I BELIEVE IS WHAT IS THAT? BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IT'S 74 ROUGHLY WOULD MEAN THERE WOULD BE NO INCREASE IN, IN VALUE BASED ON NO CONSIDERATION FOR INFLATION OR ANYTHING ELSE.

RIGHT? CORRECT.

SO TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY CLEARLY UNDERSTANDS THAT I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING, BUT THERE IT IS.

ONE MINUTE, PLEASE.

WELL, HE WAS DONE WITH HIS COMPANY.

TALK ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE I, I DON'T MY READ ON IT.

AND MR. MORGAN, UH, I'D HEARD THAT THE BUDGET WAS GOING UP BY 18, 19%.

UH, COULD YOU

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UH, I DON'T SEE IT THAT WAY.

AS I SAID, AND IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT MY MARCH 15TH PRESENTATION, I SAID THAT ROUGHLY HALF OF THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE CAPITAL COST OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT BUILDING.

SO THE, THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET IS GOING UP BY ABOUT 9%.

AND OF COURSE, INFLATION WENT UP BY ABOUT 7%.

SO THAT PUTS IT IN A MUCH DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.

SO ROUGHLY IT'S 7% OF INFLATION IN 2% INCREASE, AT LEAST THAT WOULD BE, WHICH IS USUALLY ABOUT WHAT WE DO THE LAST SEVEN YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD PRETTY CLOSE.

I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT'S, YOU KNOW, PRECISELY THAT.

AND, UM, YEAH.

SO, UM, AND AS I DID MENTION IN MY REMARKS TONIGHT, THE, UH, THE CAPITAL FUND VARIES PRETTY WIDELY, DEPENDING ON WHETHER YOU HAVE A BIG PROJECT.

AND WE JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE A BIG PROJECT, JUST MOVING THOSE BIG SHOULDERS THAT HE WAS BACK IN.

I CAN SEE THE ADMINISTRATOR WE STARTED, UH, BEFORE THIS LAST ITERATION WITH A TAX RATE OF 79.50 CENTS PER $100 WORTH OF SETS OF VALUE.

THAT'S CORRECT.

UH, THE INCREASE THAT WE OWED WHEN WE GOT W W THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUES, UH, TAX, UH, WAS THE, WHAT, EIGHT, EIGHT OR SO PERCENT ON AVERAGE, ON AVERAGE, UH, TO COMPLY WITH THE 1% INCREASE, THE STATUTORY 1% INCREASE THAT DROPPED IT FROM 79.50 CENTS TO 74 CENTS.

BUT TO MEET OUR BUDGETARY REQUIREMENTS, WE HAD TO INTRUDE UP TO SEVEN, 8 CENTS.

AND THAT'S WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW AS WE DISCUSSED.

THAT IS MY RECOMMENDATION.

YES, SIR.

THANK YOU, MR. SHEPHERD.

WELL, A COMMENT QUESTION.

SO FOR CLARIFICATION, UM, AND MAKE SURE THIS REALLY CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD THE 18% PART, ROUGHLY YOU TALK ABOUT THE 9% AND YOU TALK ABOUT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT.

NOW THIS YEAR, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, EXCUSE ME, NOT THIS YEAR, BUT THIS BUDGET WE'RE GETTING READY TO PROPOSE OR LOOK AT IS, UM, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE CAPITAL SIGNIFICANT CAPITAL INVESTMENT THAT'S MADE IN THERE MAKES THE BUDGET BIGGER.

BUT IT'S LIKE A $25 MILLION PROJECT, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

SO WHEN WE GIVE AWAY WITH A TWENTY-FIVE MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE BUDGET? WELL, IN ANY YEAR THERE WOULD, UNLESS THE CIP WAS FROZEN, LIKE TWO YEARS AGO, THERE WOULD BE SOME CAPITAL PROJECT MONEY IN THERE, BUT IT WOULD, IN MANY YEARS, IT WOULD BE PERHAPS A THIRD AS LARGE.

IT IS THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF THAT ONE LARGE.

SO HOW DOES, HOW WAS THE, THE AMORTIZATION, IF YOU WILL, UH, OF THE $25 MILLION PROJECT, HOW IS THAT REFLECTED IN THE BUDGET IN TERMS OF THE RELATIVE MOVEMENT OF THE 18% GOING UP ON THAT? UH, WELL, FOR ACCOUNTING REASONS, THE ENTIRE AMOUNT IN THE FIRST YEAR OF THE CAPITAL BUDGET SHOWS UP IN YOUR ADVERTISE TOTAL BUDGET, THEREFORE, THEREFORE IT LOOKS LIKE THIS MUCH BIGGER.

SO THAT'S WHY, WHEN YOU SEE THIS, IT'S A LARGE NUMBER.

IT'S JUST NOTHING MAGIC ABOUT IT.

IT'S JUST THAT, I DON'T KNOW.

I WANT TO CALL IT AN ACCOUNTING DRILL, BUT THE FACT THAT YOU'VE GET A $25 MILLION PROJECT, IT'S JUST, WE'VE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF THAT MEETS OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT REQUIREMENTS, RIGHT? YES.

GOT IT.

BYE.

I THOUGHT I HEARD MR. CHAMBERLAIN SAY THAT IT WASN'T PUBLISHED IN THE NEWSPAPER.

AND YET I HEARD OVER HERE THAT IT WAS SO CAN YOU RECONCILE THE INCONSISTENCY BETWEEN WHAT MR. CHAMBERLAIN SAID AND WHAT WE THINK THAT YOU JUST SET UP AS PROMISED IT WAS PUBLISHED? WAS IT PUBLIC? I TOLD YOU, I HEARD YOU SAYING IT.

WASN'T AVAILABLE TO THE CITIZENS.

MOVE TO THE THIRD PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH WILL BE THE CALENDAR YEAR 2022 TAX RATES.

W WE'LL CLOSE THAT WE'LL CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, WE'VE HAD THE BOARD COMMENTS.

SO NOW I'LL

[3. Calendar Year 2022 Tax Rates. Receive public comment on the proposed CY2022 Tax Rates as set forth in proposed Ordinance No. 22-9.]

I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I HAVE ONE CITIZEN WHO WAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.

I BELIEVE THAT'S MR. CHAMBERLAIN, ALL GOOD THINGS.

COME IN THREE.

SO MR. CHAMBERLAIN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE YOUR COMMENTS THREE MINUTES? THANK YOU, TOM CHAMBERLIN, TWO 70 BAR OVER WILLIAMSBURG.

I'LL BE EVEN SHORTER ON THIS ONE.

I HOPE.

UM, ALL I WOULD ASK YOU TO DO IS POSTPONE THIS VOTE TONIGHT AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE PERSONAL PROPERTY ASSESSED VALUE AND SEE IF THERE'S NOT THE CAPABILITY FOR YOUR COUNTY TO DO WHAT OTHER LOCALITIES HAVE DONE AND LOWER, AT LEAST IN THE INTERIM, THE ASSESSED VALUE OF PERSONAL PROPERTY WITHIN, WITHIN THE COUNTY.

LIKE I SAID, OTHER NEIGHBORING JURISDICTIONS HAVE DONE JUST THAT.

AND IT REMOVES SOME OF THAT BURDEN OF THE INCREASE, UH, ON THE CITIZENS.

SO I JUST ASKED YOU TO DO THAT, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS EARLIER.

THAT'S GOOD.

THAT WAS KINDA MY WHOLE PURPOSE IS TO GET SOME OF THAT DISCUSSION

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GOING AND, AND, AND GET THAT OUT.

AND, AND LET ME REITERATE, IT WAS PUBLISHED IN THE PAPER.

THAT'S WHERE I GOT MY INFORMATION FROM, UM, WITH ALL THE NUMBERS THAT I USE TONIGHT.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SPEAKING.

AND ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.

I'M GOING TO LET ONE.

I SHOULD HAVE JUST ONE, THAT'S IT.

I'M GOING TO KEEP IT TO ONE.

TO GO BACK TO THIS ISSUE OF HOW OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE DOING AGAIN, WE COME BACK TO I'LL USE HAMPTON AS A GREAT EXAMPLE.

WE SHOWED IN OUR CHARTS AND AS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR POINTED OUT THAT AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT, WE ARE NOT SURE EXACTLY WHICH WAY YOU GOING TO GO, BUT YOU'LL SEE, HAMPTON SITS UP THERE AT 1 24 AND ONE OF THE HIGHEST ONES.

AND THEN IN THE PAPER THEY TALKED ABOUT, THEY'RE GOING TO DROP IT DOWN TO, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER, BUT IT WAS ABOUT 1, 1 18.

EVEN WHEN THEY DROP IT DOWN.

AND YOU THINK OF YOUR COUNTY, YOUR COUNTY AS A FULL SERVICE GOVERNMENT MUNICIPALITY.

EVEN IF WE ADDED ROADS IN THERE, OKAY.

WE'D STILL BE UP AROUND ABOUT 80 SOME, 81, 88, 80 8 CENTS.

SO THEY THEY'VE BEEN, THEIR PRICES ARE, I WOULD, IN MY IMPRESSION, WHAT'S HAPPENED OVER TIME BECAUSE OF ISSUES WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITIES.

A LOT OF THESE, THEY HAVE ACTUALLY ENDED UP JACKING UP THEIR COSTS.

THAT'S ONE THING.

THE OTHER PART IS UNKNOWN TO A LOT OF FOLKS, IS THAT YOU EVER HEARD OF THE B POLL TAX? CAUSE I KNOW THE GENTLEMEN DOWN HERE, THE LAWYER BRINGS UP THE B POLL TAX.

WELL, IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT THE HAMPTON ROADS BRIDGE TUNNEL FALLS INTO WHAT MUNICIPALITY HAMPTON.

AND ALL THAT BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF EQUIPMENT, GUESS WHAT HAS A B POLL TAX ON IT? AND GUESS WHO'S GETTING THE B POLL TAX, THE CITY OF HAMPTON, ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S LIKE FINDING A GOLD MINE.

SO WE, WE, WE PAY REAL CLOSE ATTENTION TO THIS AND THEY COULD, YEAH.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE A WASH WITH CASH FOR AWHILE, BUT GUESS WHY YOU SCREW AROUND WITH THAT? AND THEN, THEN THAT, THEN THE HAMPTON ROADS BRIDGE TUNNEL IS FINISHED IN 2025.

AND IF YOU SPENT AND COMPLIANT AND FORCED YOURSELF INTO A, UH, A OBLIGATION OF EMPLOYMENT, YOU'RE EITHER GOING TO FIRE EMPLOYEES OR YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO JACKY TAX RATE BACK UP.

THIS IS NOT A GUESSING GAME.

OUR, OUR STAFF HAS DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB IN UNDERSTANDING THIS.

AND AS FAR AS CITIZENS, AND FOR US TO EXPLAIN HOW THESE THINGS ARE DIFFERENT, I'M TELLING YOU MY OPINION IS THAT WE'VE GOT A GREAT OPERATION HERE AND YOU'RE GETTING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF BANG FOR YOUR BUCK.

OKAY, GO AHEAD.

A PUBLIC HEARING, NUMBER FOUR TO CONSIDER THE ADOPTION OF PROPOSED RESOLUTION, OUR 22 DASH 63, THE APPLICATION OF ANGELA AND, AND GREGORY WALTERS TO APPROVE A TOURIST HOME AT 4 0 7 MILL ROAD.

THANK YOU, MR. SHEPHERD.

UH, THAT'S THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE HAVE ON THE BUDGET AND THE OFFICIAL VOTE WILL BE TAKING PLACE AT THE MAY 3RD WORK SESSION.

NOW WE HAVE

[4. Application UP-985-22, Angela and Gregory Walters. Consider adoption of proposedResolution R22-63 to approve a Special Use permit to authorize a tourist home in an existing dwelling at 407 Fenton Mill Road.]

SO THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A TOURIST HOME AND AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING LOCATED AT 4 0 7 FENTON MILL ROAD.

IF GRANTED THE APPLICANTS WILL MAKE ONE BEDROOM IN THEIR HOME AVAILABLE TO GUESTS, THE 2.3 ACRE PROPERTY LOCATED IN THE OLD QUAKER ESTATE SUBDIVISION IS ZONED RURAL RESIDENTIAL.

THE SURROUNDING PARCELS ARE ZONED RURAL RESIDENTIAL AS INDICATED BY THE LIGHT BROWN COLOR SHOWN ON THE MAP AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY SHOWN HERE IN DARK PINK TO THE NORTH EAST AND SOUTH ARE FOR SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES TO THE WEST.

IS I 64 AND ROSHAMBO DRIVE.

AND BEYOND THAT IS A LARGE UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY.

THE APPROXIMATE 2,500 SQUARE FOOT.

TWO STORY DWELLING HAS FOUR BEDROOMS, THREE BATHROOMS, TWO LIVING ROOMS, A KITCHEN DINING ROOM, AND A FINISHED BASEMENT, NO CHANGES TO THE EXISTING BUILDING OR SITE ARE PROPOSED HERE.

YOU SEE A FLOOR PLAN OF THE FIRST FLOOR.

ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANTS, ONE BEDROOM AND BATHROOM WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO GUESTS.

THREE PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED FOR THE PROPOSED USE.

THE EXISTING GRAVEL DRIVEWAY ON THE PROPERTY CAN EASILY ACCOMMODATE THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF SPACES.

AND THERE'S ALSO AN ATTACHED TWO CAR GARAGE, ACCORDING TO THE INSTITUTE OF TRAFFIC ENGINEERS, TRIP GENERATION MANUAL, A TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY, DETACHED DWELLING GENERATES AN AVERAGE OF 9.4 TRIPS PER DAY WHILE NO TRIP GENERATION ESTIMATES ARE AVAILABLE FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS, SIMILAR USES FOR WHICH THIS INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE.

OUR TIMESHARE UNITS, WHICH GENERATED AN AVERAGE OF 8.6 TRIPS PER DAY AND OCCUPIED MOTEL ROOMS, WHICH

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GENERATE AN AVERAGE OF 4.4 TRIPS PER DAY.

THE NUMBER OF PEAK HOUR TRIPS FOR BOTH USES IS LESS THAN ONE.

UM, STAFF BELIEVED THE PROPOSED TOURIST HOME WOULD NOT HAVE A NOTICEABLE IMPACT ON FENTON MILL ROAD, WHICH ACCORDING TO 2020 BITA ESTIMATES CARRIES ABOUT 560 VEHICLES PER DAY.

THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS HAVE BEEN INCLUDED AS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL IN THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION.

THE APPLICANTS WOULD BE PRESENT WHENEVER RENTALS ARE TAKING PLACE.

THE MAXIMUM RENTAL OCCUPANCY WOULD BE TWO PERSONS.

THE LENGTH OF STAY WOULD BE A MINIMUM OF TWO AND A MAXIMUM OF 14 NIGHTS.

AND THE USE PERMIT WOULD TERMINATE UPON THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY BY THE APPLICANTS.

SO GIVEN THAT THE TOURIST HOME WOULD BE A ONE BEDROOM RENTAL WITH A MAXIMUM OF TWO GUESTS AT A TIME, STAFF BELIEVED THE PROPOSED TOURIST HOME WOULD HAVE A MINIMAL IMPACT.

THE FACT THAT THE OWNERS WOULD RESIDE IN THE DWELLING WHILE RENTALS ARE TAKING PLACE ENSURES THAT GUESTS BEHAVIOR WOULD BE MONITORED.

THE HOME IS LOCATED ON A LARGE PROPERTY THAT A BUD SIZE, 64, THE 2.3 ACRE PROPERTY HAS AMPLE SPACE ENTRIES BETWEEN NEIGHBORS AND THE DRONE OF TRAFFIC NOISE FROM THE NEARBY INTERSTATE WOULD LIKELY DROWN OUT ANY NOISE THAT GUESTS MIGHT GENERATE.

FURTHERMORE, THE APPLICANT SPOKE WITH THEIR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS AND WERE ABLE TO COLLECT SIGNATURES ON A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THIS APPLICATION.

A COPY OF WHICH WAS GIVEN TO YOU TONIGHT FOR THESE REASONS STAFF BELIEVED THE PROPOSED TOURIST HOME WOULD NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON NEARBY PROPERTIES OR ON THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEREFORE, A STAFF RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS SET FORTH IN PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER R 22 DASH 63.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PRESENTATION Y ONE QUICK YEP.

WHY? NO MORE THAN 14 DAYS.

UM, I, YOU CAN, UM, ASK THE APPLICANTS THEY'RE HERE, UM, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS TONIGHT.

UH, BESIDES THE FOUR PROPERTIES THAT SURROUND THE RESIDENTS, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF HOUSES UP THERE IN THE FRONT MIDDLE AREA, ANY COMPLAINTS FROM ANYBODY OR ANY, ANY SUPPORT OTHER THAN THE FOUR, WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY COMPLAINTS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

WOULD THE APPLICANT CARE TO SPEAK MR. MRS. WALTERS STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

I'M ANGELA WALTERS.

I'M GREG WALTERS.

WE LIVE AT 4 0 7 FENTON MILL ROAD WHO HAD SOME QUESTIONS.

WHY 14? UM, WELL, SO I DON'T EVEN FORESEE IT EVER BEING THAT LONG.

UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT OUR HOME IS LIKE.

UM, WE DO HAVE TWO CHILDREN AS WELL.

THEY'RE 12 AND 14 YEARS OLD.

UM, AND WE LIVE IN THE HOME.

I WORK FROM HOME AND THIS BEDROOM, MOST OF THE TIME IS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE FOR OUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS WHO VISIT, UM, AND PEOPLE THAT WE KNOW.

SO I DON'T EVEN SEE US ACTUALLY PUTTING THIS OUT THERE VERY MUCH TO RENT, UM, AS FAR AS 14 DAYS.

UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD WANT SOMEBODY IN MY HOUSE BEYOND THAT, LIKE HONESTLY, YOU KNOW, AFTER WHAT, THREE DAYS.

WE WOULD LIKE TO MARKET THIS TO COUPLES WHO ARE INTERESTED IN VISITING THE HISTORICAL AREAS.

UM, I MEAN, THIS, THIS IS OUR HOME AND, UH, I, I DON'T, I JUST DON'T SEE PEOPLE BEING THERE BEYOND THAT.

UM, HOW WILL YOU ADVERTISE IT AND SCREEN THE GUEST? WILL YOU DO IT ON AIRBNB? VRVO AND YOU SAID YOU HAVE, UH, CHILDREN, UH, HOW WILL YOU PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN FROM GUEST? RIGHT.

SO, UM, WE ARE EXPLORING LOOKING INTO AIRBNB, UM, BUT WE ARE MORE LIKELY TO RENT THIS OUT TO FRIENDS, FAMILY, FAMILY, OR, YOU KNOW, WORD OF MOUTH.

UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT COME TO VISIT ON A REGULAR BASIS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ORIGINALLY FROM HERE, HE'S NAVY.

UM, AND WE WERE STATIONED HERE.

SO WE HAVE VISITORS, UH, THAT LIKE TO COME UP HERE.

AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WE KNOW THAT LIVE AN HOUR AWAY THAT COME UP HERE TO VISIT THE HISTORICAL AREA AND BUSCH GARDENS, UM, AND WE WOULD BE MOST LIKELY TO RENT OUT TO THEM.

UM, AS FAR AS SCREENING, UM, UNKNOWN GUESTS LIKE THROUGH AIRBNB, UM, WE WOULD COLLECT THEIR PERSONAL INFORMATION, GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THEIR INTENTIONS WERE AS FAR AS VISITING THE COMMUNITY.

UM, WE'RE VERY, VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS AREA.

UM, AND

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THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT.

UM, OUR YOUNGEST SON JUST GOT INTO FIVE SYNDROMES WITH COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG.

HE'LL BE DRUMMING AND MARCHING.

AND, UM, WE'RE JUST VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT ALL THAT AND SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SHARE WITH PEOPLE.

AND THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF PEOPLE THAT WE WOULD WANT TO ATTRACT HERE.

AND W ONE ADDITION TO THAT IS, UM, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO KEEP THEM SEPARATE FROM CHILDREN FROM GUESTS? UM, THE ROOM ITSELF IS, IS LOCATED IN A PORTION OF THE HOUSE THAT CAN BE COMPLETELY SEPARATED FROM THE REST OF THE HOUSE.

UH, SO WE CAN PUT THE LOCKS ON THE DOORS AND WE CAN KEEP, UM, THEY'LL HAVE THEIR OWN BATHROOM, THEIR OWN LIVING SPACE, AND IT WILL BE COMPLETELY SEPARATE.

UM, ADDITIONALLY, I I'D LIKE TO, I'M A TEACHER.

I TAKE CHILDREN'S SAFETY VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY.

AND I WOULD PERSONALLY AS A MOM AND AS AN EDUCATOR, I WOULD NEVER DO ANYTHING THAT I FELT WOULD PUT MY CHILDREN AT RISK.

UM, AT THE FIRST SIGN THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT EVER DID HAPPEN OR, OR, OR NEGATIVELY IMPACTED OUR FAMILY IN ANY WAY, WE WOULD SHUT THIS DOWN.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS? TWO QUICK QUESTIONS, TWO MORE.

UM, ARE YOU, WERE YOU PUTTING ANY SIGNAGE ON YOUR PROPERTY TO ADVERTISE THAT YOU'RE HAVING RENTAL? UM, NOT THAT NOT UNLESS IT WAS REQUIRED.

I, I DON'T, I DON'T FORESEE DOING THAT.

NO.

AND SECOND, YOU KIND OF SPOKE TO IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT I THINK I READ IN THE NARRATIVE THAT YOU'RE NOT PLANNING ON DOING THIS ON A REGULAR BASIS.

SO LIKE WHAT FREQUENCY DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU'LL BE HAVING GUESTS OVER RIGHT NOW? I ENVISION, UM, MAYBE A COUPLE OF WEEKENDS A MONTH.

UM, I MEAN, WE BOTH WORK FULL TIME.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING TO TURN INTO A BUSINESS, LIKE A LUCRATIVE BUSINESS.

UM, WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF EVER EXPANDING ON THIS IN THE FUTURE.

UM, THIS WAS SOMETHING WE WERE ENTERTAINING, SORT OF FOR FUN AND JUST TO SUPPLEMENT OUR INCOME AND BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE PROPERTY AND, UM, SHARE WHAT WE REALLY ENJOY ABOUT LIVING HERE WITH OTHER PEOPLE.

SO I DON'T FORESEE DOING IT THAT OFTEN.

I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

YOU MAY SIT DOWN NOW.

GREAT.

I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THE SUBJECT? SEEING NONE? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WHERE'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOY.

UM, MOVE OR 22 DASH 63, IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, WE'LL CALL PLEASE.

THE MOTION MADE BY MR. ZAREMBA IS TO ADOPT PROPOSE RESOLUTION R 22 DASH 63 TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED MR. GREEN.

NOW WE'RE GONE TO PUBLIC

[5. Application UP-986-22, So Lux Event Center, LLC. Consider adoption of proposedResolution R22-62 to approve a Special Use permit to authorize a commercial reception hall at 3301-A Hampton Highway]

HEARING NUMBER FIVE.

CONSIDER THE OPTION OF PROPOSED RESOLUTION ARE 22 APPLICATION TO AUTHORIZE A COMMERCIAL RECEPTION HALL AT 33 0 1, A HAMPTON HIGHWAY OR YORKSHIRE DOWN SHOPPING CENTER.

SO THIS IS A SO LUCKY MODEL.

UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UH, DIRECTLY, UH, ADJACENT IS COMMON AREA.

YES, THIS IS SO LUXE, UH, EVENTS LLC LOCATED IN NEW YORK SHIRE DOWN SHOPPING CENTER OUTLINED HERE IN GREEN.

UH, THE, UH, ESTABLISHMENT WILL BE IN TWO OF THE UNITS IN THE SHOPPING CENTER AND I'LL HIGHLIGHT THOSE AS WE GET INTO THE PRESENTATION.

UH, THERE ARE TWO PARCELS, UM, OH, JUST BEFORE I GET OFF THAT, YOU'LL SEE THE ZONE GENERAL BUSINESS.

UH, THIS WAS, UH, REZONED IN 2013, UH, BECAUSE THE SHOPPING CENTER WANTED TO BE ABLE TO OFFER MORE USES, BUT IN THAT THEY PROFFERED OUT CERTAIN USES THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT, THAT ARE ALLOWED IN GB.

AND THEY ALSO PUT CERTAIN USES INTO SPECIAL USE PERMIT CATEGORY.

UM, AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE USES THAT WAS PART OF THE PROFFERED CONDITIONS AS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, COMMERCIAL RECEPTION HALLS.

SO THAT'S WHY THIS IS GENERAL BUSINESS.

UH, THE TWO PARCELS THAT I'VE OUTLINED THERE IN THE RED, THEY ARE STILL LIMITED BUSINESS.

UH, THE ONE TO THE NORTH IS THE PENINSULA DAYCARE, UH, PENINSULA ACADEMY, WHICH IS A CHILDCARE CENTER.

AND THEN THE ONE TO THE SOUTH IS THE SUNOCO CONVENIENCE STORE AND GAS STATION.

UM, ACROSS THE STREET IS RMF OUR RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY.

UH, SO WE'VE GOT THE SEASON'S APARTMENTS FOR SEASON APARTMENTS AND THEN ALSO A, UH, AN OFFICE BUILDING THERE, WHICH HAS LIKE A DENTIST AND SOME OTHER ACCOUNTING OFFICES.

THE REST OF THE, UH, PROPERTY TO THE EAST WEST AND SOUTH IS ALL PART OF THE YORKSHIRE DOWNS,

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AND THEN YOU'VE GOT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE ALONG SHEFFIELD DRIVE, AND THEN TO THE REAR ARE EIGHT, I'M SORRY, FIVE EIGHT UNIT CONDOMINIUM BUILDINGS, UH, WITHIN THE, UH, UH, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT THEN ACROSS YORK DOWNS IS THE ACTUAL APARTMENT COMPLEXES.

AND THEN ONE LITTLE PART OF LIMITED BUSINESS, WHICH DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING ON IT AT THIS TIME.

UH, THE APPLICANT BE LOCATED IN UNITS P AND Q, WHICH ARE HIGHLIGHTED THERE IN GREEN, NEAR THE END OF THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

UH, THE, UH, THE APPLICANT WILL BE, UH, TAKING IT'S ABOUT 1,892 SQUARE FEET, UH, OVERALL SHOPPING CENTERS ABOUT 24,000 SQUARE FEET.

THE OTHER USES IN THE SHOPPING CENTER INCLUDE RESTAURANTS, HAIR SALON, CUSTOM FRAME, MARIE, UH, A LAUNDRY MAT AND A, UH, DOG SALON, PET GROOMING KIND OF PLACE.

UH, THEY CAN COME INTO WHOLE PROPERTY HAS ABOUT 122 PARKING SPACES THROUGHOUT, UM, LOCATED THROUGHOUT THE SHOPPING CENTER, UH, HAS TWO ENTRANCES, ONE OFF OF HAMPTON HIGHWAY AND THE OTHER OFF YORK DOWNS DRIVE, UH, WHERE YOU, YOU CAN ACCESS AND TO BOTH OF THOSE LOCATIONS, UH, THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED AFTER THE REZONING REQUEST.

AND I HIGHLIGHTED AND DREW A CIRCLE AROUND WHERE THE APPLICANT WILL BE LOCATED THERE.

YOU CAN ALSO SEE ALL THE PARKING, UM, AND THEN THE BUFFERING AREAS AROUND AND BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, COMPONENTS THAT WERE THERE AT THAT TIME.

UH, THIS IS JUST, UH, FROM THE PARKING LOT KIND OF HIGHLIGHTING WHERE THIS IS GOING TO GO.

THE LAUNDRY MAT IS ON THE FAR RIGHT-HAND SIDE, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THE, UH, COMMERCIAL RECEPTION HALL THERE IN THAT AREA.

UH, IN THE CIRCLE, I WANTED TO SHOW THE REAR PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, UH, THE, WHERE THAT BUILDING KIND OF BUMPS OUT.

THAT'S WHERE THE UNITS P AND Q ARE.

UM, AND I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE BUFFER HERE, SO YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE SOME MATURE EVERGREENS THERE.

HOWEVER, THERE IS ONE LITTLE PROBLEM.

THIS IS MY BACK TO THE UNITS.

UM, THERE'S A BIG HOLE THERE WHERE TREES HAVE DIED.

AND SO WE HAVE INCLUDED A CONDITION THAT THESE TREES WILL BE REPLACED.

UH, SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS GIVEN ME A LETTER THAT THEY DO PLAN ON, UH, RE PLANTING THIS BUFFER, UH, BUT IT IS A CONDITION IN THERE.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS, UM, BECAUSE OF THE USE, UH, THE APPLICANT WANTS TO HAVE AN UPSCALE, UH, SMALL VENUE, UH, FOR CATERED EVENTS, UH, NO MORE THAN 70 PEOPLE, THAT'S HER LIMIT.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE PUT IN THE CONDITION, A VARIETY OF TYPES OF EVENTS, WHICH YOU CAN SEE THERE ON THE SLIDE.

AND SHE WILL HAVE, UH, SHE DOES PLAN ON SERVING ALCOHOL AND HAVING AN ABC LICENSE FOR THIS USE.

UH, THE USE REALLY IS NOT IN THE ITE GENERATION MANUAL, THE, THE, UM, THE ENGINEERING MANUAL THAT TALKS ABOUT TRAFFIC, UH, BUT THE ORDINANCE DOES REQUIRE A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS FOR THESE USES.

WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE WHY.

UH, WE DID SOME, I DID SOME RESEARCH, UH, THE CLOSEST TO THIS KIND OF USE WAS WHAT'S CATEGORIZED AS A FINE DINING RESTAURANT.

SO WE KIND OF PUT IT IN THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE RESTAURANTS THAT PEOPLE COME INTO, THEY'RE THERE FOR SEVERAL HOURS AND THEN THEY LEAVE.

UH, SO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS HAVE ABOUT 134 TRIPS DURING A WEEKDAY OR ON THE WEEKENDS.

THERE'S 10 MORE TRIPS.

AND DURING THE PEAK HOURS AM PM.

THE PEAK HOUR TRIPS ARE NOT VERY HIGH, TWO AND 13.

SO THIS DOESN'T REALLY MEET THE THRESHOLD FOR WHAT WE WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE SOMEONE DO A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS ON THAT.

SO THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS WAIVED THAT REQUIREMENT FOR THEM, JUST TO REALLY TALK ABOUT PARKING.

I TALKED ABOUT PARKING KIND OF SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE SITE, UH, BASED ON THE EIGHT, THE 70% LIMIT OR PERSON LIMITATION, UH, THIS USE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE 18 SPACES.

UH, THE EXISTING USES IN THE CENTER ONLY USE ABOUT 90 OF THE 122 SPACES.

THERE'S PLENTY, PLENTY OF PARKING, UH, FOR THESE, FOR THIS KIND OF USE.

AND THEY, IN ADDITION TO HAVING SOME ADDITIONAL, ADDITIONAL, UM, UM, UH, PARKING IF NEEDED, UH, THE, THERE ARE SEVERAL PERFORMANCE STANDARDS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE WHEN IT COMES TO COMMERCIAL RECEPTION HALLS.

UM, AS YOU CAN QUITE UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEY CAN MAKE A LOT OF NOISE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IS THAT THE PRINCIPAL AND SERVICE ENTRANCES HAVE TO BE ORIENTED AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

IT EITHER HAS TO BE 200 FEET AWAY, OR IF IT'S WITHIN OR WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET THEN HAS TO BE LANDSCAPED AND SOME FENCING.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE PUT THE CONDITION IN THERE TO PUT THAT BECAUSE THOSE REAR DOORS ARE ABOUT 101 FEET AWAY FROM THOSE CONDOMINIUMS. SO WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE PROTECTED.

WE'VE ALSO PUT A CONDITION IN THERE THAT THOSE REAR DOORS CAN ONLY BE USED FOR EMERGENCY INGRESS AND EGRESS.

SO THEY WOULDN'T, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BE OPEN TO ANY OTHER

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REASON, EXCEPT FOR AN EMERGENCY SITUATION WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TO GET OUT OR GET INTO THE BUILDING.

UH, SO THAT'S ALSO A CONDITION IN THERE.

WE'VE ALSO, I TALKED ABOUT IT A COUPLE OF TIMES WITH THE FOUR FOOT BERM, REPLACING THOSE, THOSE TREES.

THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO, UH, BROUGHT FORWARD INFORMATION OF HOW SHE WANTS TO SOUNDPROOF THE BUILDING.

UH, SHE'S GOT, SHE GAVE US A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT SHE WANTS PLANS TO INSTALL, TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS.

AND SHE WILL ALSO HAVE ONSITE SECURITY WHO WILL BE THERE TO MONITOR ANYTHING THAT'S GOING ON IN THE PARKING LOT.

AND INSIDE THE BUILDING, LASTLY, PERFORMANCE STANDARD WISE IS THE HOURS OF OPERATION.

THE ZONING ORDINANCE SAYS IT CAN BE OPERATED FROM 6:00 AM TO 10:00 PM AND MUST CLOSE BY 11, BUT YOU AS THE BOARD HAVE THE RIGHT TO ADJUST THAT.

AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING, UH, SOME SLIGHT CHANGES TO THAT.

SO SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, SHE WILL STAY.

SHE WILL BE OPEN ONLY DURING THOSE TIMES AS THE ZONING ORDINANCE STATES, BUT ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, SHE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANOTHER HALF HOUR, UM, AND HAVE EVERYBODY OUT OF THE BUILDING BY 1230 AT THE LATEST, UH, THIS USE WOULD FILL AN EMPTY SPACE IN A SHOPPING CENTER.

THAT'S BEEN TRYING TO, UH, GET FILLED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS SINCE 2013, WHEN THEY MADE THESE CHANGES, UH, WE FEEL LIKE IT WOULD THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS.

SHE PLANS TO MAKE INSIDE, ALONG WITH PUTTING IN THE ADDITIONAL BUFFERING AND LANDSCAPING BETWEEN THE CONDOMINIUMS IN HAVING ONSITE STAFF WILL REALLY HELP THIS USE TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT.

SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL THROUGH RESOLUTION.

OUR 22 DASH 62 I'M PLANNING COMMISSION DID REVIEW THIS AT THEIR MEETING AND THEY DID RECOMMEND IT, UM, UNANIMOUSLY SEVEN TO ZERO.

AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

AND I THINK MS. COMBS IS HERE AND IT WOULD BE HAPPY TO TALK AS THE APPLICANT.

UH, THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS? OH, YES, TOM, PLEASE BE IN DAMNED HERE.

I SWEAR.

I GO, SIR.

NO, I LOVE YOUR BURNING EYES.

HEY LOOK.

UM, OKAY.

SO I WANT TO UNDERSTAND, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE VALUE OF THE TREES PLANT A TREE PLANTING IN HERE? WHAT DOES, WHAT DOES THAT VALUE? WHAT ARE WE DOING? SO MATURE TREES ARE GOING TO HELP WITH ANY KIND OF NOISE COMING FROM THAT COMMERCIAL AREA, WHETHER IT'S JUST TRAFFIC IN GENERAL COMING IN AND OUT OF THE SHOPPING CENTER.

UM, OR I MEAN, IT, IF FOR SOME REASON, NOISE WERE TO LEAVE THE BUILDING THAT'S GOING TO HELP THERE TOO.

AND JUST VISUALLY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, LOOKING IN IT'S MUCH BETTER TO LOOK AT A TREE THAN IT WOULD BE TO THE BACK OF THE, A BLOCK CONCRETE BLOCK BUILDING.

IT'S HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT.

I CAN UNDERSTAND THE VISUAL, BUT, UM, OVER THE YEARS, UH, HAVING DEAL DEALING WITH V DOT AND WALLS, UH, SAM BID, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE SOUND ENGINEERS, DESIGN THEY'RE SPECIALIZING IN, IN NOISE, DEFLECTION AND SUPPRESSION TAKES 200 FEET OF TREES TO CUT NOISE DOWN.

AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS ONE ROW OF LEGAL AND CYPRESS, WHICH ARE ONE QUESTIONABLE TREE, THE BEGIN WITH, AND TWO, IT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING FOR NOISE.

SO I THINK THAT IF THERE'S SOMETHING MORE EFFECTIVE WOULD BE A WALL OF SOME TYPES SUCH AS THE LARGE FENCE OR WHATEVER, BUT THAT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT HERE.

I'VE JUST KINDA, I JUST WANTED TO GET THIS OUT THERE THAT THE TREES IT'S MORE PSYCHOLOGICAL THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

THE ENVIRONMENT, THIS IS A BUSINESS HERE SO THAT WE OUGHT TO BE RAISING.

WHY DON'T WE GIVE HIM A TAX CREDIT FOR PUTTING TREES HERE? UM, THE SECOND PART, UM, NOW IN YOUR, IN YOUR, UH, STATEMENT HERE, YOU HAD LIKE A THERE, SO THERE'S 32 ADDITIONAL SPACES.

IF THIS THING WAS TOTALLY FULL.

BUT I THOUGHT SOMEWHERE IN THE WORDING, THERE WAS SOMETHING LIKE 12 ADDITIONAL, IT WAS NEED FOR 12 ADDITIONAL, UM, 18 ADDITIONAL PARKINSON'S.

SO 32 SPACES ABOVE RIGHT NOW.

SO THEY'RE ONLY USING 90 FOR THE EXISTING USES.

SO WE CALCULATED OUT WHAT EACH OF THE USES IN THERE REQUIRES ACCORDING TO THE ZONE.

HOW MANY, HOW MANY WHEN YOU DID IT? HOW MANY PEOPLE PUT CARDI? DO YOU SEE? I'M SORRY.

I COUGH.

HOW MANY PEOPLE PER CAR DO YOU SEE WHEN YOU DO THIS PLANNING? USUALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL RECEPTION HALL, IT'S THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE COMING IN GROUPS.

SO THAT'S WHY I THINK THE PARKING CALCULATION ISN'T AS HIGH FOR COMMERCIAL RECEPTION HALLS, JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN SOMEBODY IS COMING TO A WEDDING OR RECEPTION OR A MEETING EVENT THERE THEY'RE COMING IN GROUPS.

SO HOW MANY PEOPLE PER CAR, UM, LET'S SEE.

I THINK THE ZONING ORDINANCE SAYS THAT, UH, LET ME LOOK AND SEE, FIND THAT JUST VERY QUICKLY.

UM, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE THAT CALCULATION IN THE ACTUAL MEMO.

I, I CAN'T TELL YOU, I, AND SO 18 SPACES DIVIDED INTO 70 IT'S ABOUT THREE PEOPLE PER CAR.

IT SOUNDS INTERESTING, BUT I'M JUST, I'M FIGURING MOST PEOPLE, AN AVERAGE BABY ABOUT ON AVERAGE WOULD BE ABOUT TWO PEOPLE PER CAR.

I GUESS I JUST WONDERED, BECAUSE I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS TYPE OF OPERATION.

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SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT 35 PARKING SPACES HERE.

I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT WHAT EFFECT IT'S GOING TO HAVE ON THE SURROUNDING BUSINESSES.

WELL, ONE POSITIVE IS THAT SHE WILL HAVE, SHE'S REQUIRED TO HAVE ONSITE SECURITY AND THEY WILL.

THEY'RE PART OF THAT IS THEY NEED TO MONITOR THE PARKING LOT AS WELL AS WHAT'S GOING ON IN TIE IN INSIDE THE BUILDING.

SO IF THERE'S PARKING ISSUES AND THERE WILL BE SOMEBODY THAT'LL BE ONSITE TO KIND OF WITH A PARTY CALCULATION HERE IS FOR PEOPLE COMING TO THE OPERATION.

WHAT ABOUT THE STAFF THAT WORKS HERE? WELL, THAT'S ALL PART OF THAT IS OKAY.

UM, AND I WAS KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT THE HOURS OF OPERATION.

THEN YOUR SLIDE SHOWS THAT ARE ACTUALLY ON WEEKENDS, ALTHOUGH THE HOURS ARE EXTENDED LONGER, BUT THEY START EARLY OR LATER.

SO ONE WE STARTED ON DURING THE REGULAR WEEK.

IT STARTED AT SIX.

NOW ON WEEKENDS, THEY'RE GONNA START AT SEVEN.

AND THAT WAS BECAUSE THAT WAS, WAS MS. COMBS PUT IN HER NARRATIVES.

AND I THINK WHAT SHE SAID AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS SHE JUST DOESN'T WANT TO START THAT EARLY.

SHE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT SHE PROBABLY WOULDN'T START AT SIX O'CLOCK.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS VOLUNTEERED CORRECTLY.

COMPETITION WOULD BE RESTAURANTS.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

SO GOING BACK TO THE HOURS, CAN YOU PULL THOSE BACK UP PLEASE? SO WE CAN LOOK AT THEM.

SO HOW DO THOSE CLOSING HOURS COMPARE TO, I GUESS OUR COMPETITION WOULD BE CLOSEST.

IS THAT WHAT'S THE COUNTY'S REQUIREMENT FOR OPERATIONS OF A RESTAURANT ON THE WEEKEND.

DO WE HAVE ANY AT ALL? WE DO NOT.

WE DO NOT LIMIT THEM.

SO, SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT REALLY CREATE AN UNFAIR SITUATION WHERE WE'RE SAYING THEY CAN STAY OPEN UNTIL 1130.

WE'RE SHUTTING THE RESTAURANTS DOWN EARLIER, CORRECT? CORRECT.

SO THE RESTAURANTS, EXCUSE ME, DIESEL RESTAURANTS DON'T HAVE THE BAR PORTION OF IT ARE NOT LIMITED, UH, IN YOUR COUNTY OR VIRGINIA.

UM, I HAD, DID NOT REVIEW THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, BUT TO MY RECOLLECTION, I'VE NEVER RECALL SEEING HOURS OF OPERATION FOR RESTAURANTS.

EARL.

IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK OF, WOULD SHE COME FORWARD THAT 10 MINUTES NAME AND ADDRESS, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE ALL THE 10 MINUTES.

TRUST ME.

I WON'T.

MY NAME IS SHANNON COMBS, A THREE 20 FERGUSON, BEN YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA.

AND, UM, JUST TO SHED SOME LIGHT, THE ZONING REGULATION SAID THAT 6:00 AM.

I WOULD NEVER HAVE AN EVENT AT 6:00 AM.

UM, SO 7:00 AM IS THE START TIME.

I'VE NEVER HAD AN EVENT START AT 7:00 AM EITHER.

UM, SO THIS IS MY SECOND EVENT CENTER THAT I'M LOOKING TO OPEN.

I'M LOOKING TO BRING IT TO YOUR COUNTY BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THE COUNTY REALLY NEEDS IT.

AND SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, YORKSHIRE DOWNS AND THE LANDLORD HAVE BEEN TREMENDOUS AND ASSISTING ME IN DOING SO THE USE WAS A CURVES WORKOUT STUDIO.

SO THERE WAS ALL THIS SOUNDPROOFING ALREADY IN THERE.

UM, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE MACHINES, PEOPLE DROPPING WEIGHTS AND THAT SORT OF THING, THE BUFFER, UM, I THINK A LOT OF THE TREES WERE LOST BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE RESIDENTS WILL COME THROUGH THE BACK TO GO TO THAT CONVENIENCE STORE.

AND IT JUST SO HAPPENED.

IT LANDED RIGHT IN FRONT OF WHERE I WANT TO BE.

UM, BUT THAT'S THE GIST OF THE WHOLE EVERGREEN'S OF WANTING TO POINT THOSE.

BUT AS FAR AS THE SOUND IS CONCERNED, I'VE WENT TO ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS, TURNED UP THE LOUDEST SPEAKERS TO SEE IF THEY COULD EVEN HEAR IT.

THEY ALL LOOKED AT ME CRAZY, EVEN WITH THE PETS.

THEY WERE LIKE, WE DON'T HEAR ANYTHING.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT A POINT THAT YOU KNOW, THAT WE WOULDN'T DISTURB THEM.

I DO REQUIRE THAT ANYONE RENTING THE FACILITY HAS TO HAVE SECURITY.

THAT'S A MUST.

UM, AND I WILL BE WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THOSE BUSINESSES BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL WANT TO HAVE FOOD.

THEY'LL WANT TO HAVE THEIR NAILS DONE.

THEY'LL WANT TO HAVE ALL THE SERVICES THAT THE OTHER BUSINESSES ARE PROVIDING OUT THERE.

SO I HAVE NOT HAD ANYTHING NEGATIVE, UM, FEEDBACK IN REGARDS TO BEING OUT THERE.

YOU SAID YOU HAVE ANOTHER OPERATION.

WHERE'S THAT OPERATION AND WHERE'S THAT? UH, SPECIFICALLY A NEWPORT DEAR CARRABBA'S.

IF YOU WANT IT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, ANY X-RATED EVENTS OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE, THAT'S AN ABSOLUTE NO, NO, THIS IS AN UPSCALE VENUE.

THEN DO YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES THERE WHATSOEVER? OKAY.

AND YOU SAID THAT YOU WOULD NEVER DO A EVENT AT 6:00 AM.

NEVER UNLESS, UNLESS OF COURSE IT WAS LIKE A BREAKFAST, BRUNCH OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, BUT I DO A LOT OF, A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING.

I HAVE BUSINESS EVENTS, UH, SEMINARS, MAINLY BABY SHOWERS AND, UM, WEDDING RECEPTIONS.

THOSE ARE THE MOST POPULAR EVENTS.

SO THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT I SEE FOR THESE EVENTS.

UM, AND A LOT OF THE TIMES EVERYTHING THEY HAVE FROM THEIR DECORATORS, THEY COORDINATE EVERY SINGLE DETAIL AND WE ESSENTIALLY JUST PROVIDE THE BUILDING FOR THEM TO HAVE IT.

DO YOU HAVE ANY STANDARDS ON TYPES OF OH, ABSOLUTELY.

MAN.

SO THERE BEEN ABSOLUTELY.

NO.

YES, ABSOLUTELY.

SO FROM ONE,

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SO I ADVERTISE IT ACCORDINGLY.

SO I'M VERY PARTICULAR ABOUT CERTAIN EVENTS.

I ASK A LOT OF DETAILS.

I GET THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE.

I GET LITERALLY THEIR WHOLE LIFE STORY TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE A SOUND INVESTMENT FOR THEM AND THAT IT DOESN'T REFLECT POORLY ON ME.

SO DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? OKAY, MR. SHEPHERD, YOU HAVE A QUESTION YOU TALKED ABOUT THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE SECURITY.

NO, I PROVIDED, I HAVE STAFF THAT IS TRAINED SECURITY IN THE PARKING LOT AND OUT OF THE PARKING LOT.

SO, YEAH.

ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS THAT THEY'RE NOT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK THE SUBJECT? SEE NONE.

I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

I WILL MOVE OUR 22 DASH 62, I BELIEVE I SAID, PLEASE.

THE MOTION MADE BY MR. SHEPHERD IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 22 DASH 62 TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED MR. ROWAN.

WE'RE DOWN TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.

MR. SHEPHERD.

MR. NO, SORRY, MR. ZAREMBA.

DO WE NOW

[6. Confirmation of boundary line between property owned by York County and property owned by Ronald L Byrd, parcels adjacent to Goodwin Neck Road. Consider adoption of proposedResolution R22-51 to execute a Deed of Confirmation of the boundary line, and quitclaim, in order to establish a common boundary line between property owned by York County and located at 301 Goodwin Neck Road, and two parcels owned by Ronald L. Byrd and locatedat 167 and 169 Goodwin Neck Road.]

NUMBER SIX, CONSIDER THE ADOPTION AND PROPOSED RESOLUTION ARE 22 DASH 51 CONFIRMATION OF BOUNDARY LINE BETWEEN PROPERTY OWNED BY YOUR COUNTY AND PROPERTY OWNED BY MR. BIRD.

SO THERE'S A SMALL PIECE OF OLD GOODWIN NECK THAT GOES SORT OF BETWEEN THE COUNTY OPERATIONS COMPLEX AND UH, MR. BIRD'S TOWING BUSINESS.

AND, UM, WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT BUILDING, UH, THE STAFF HAS MET WITH MR. BIRD AND CONSIDERED OUR SITE PLAN REQUIREMENTS, AND WE THOUGHT IT WAS BEST TO AVOID ANY DISPUTE IN THE FUTURE THAT WE GO AHEAD AND DIVIDE THAT.

SO IT'S CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD, UH, WHAT LAND IS MR. BIRDS AND WHAT LAND IS THE COUNTIES? SO, UM, THIS IS, UM, BEING DONE IN COOPERATION WITH THE BIRDS.

UM, SO WE'RE BASICALLY SPLITTING IT AND THEY WILL NO LONGER BE THE VESTIGE OF AN OLD ROAD THERE WHEN, IF YOU ADOPT THIS.

THANKS.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NONE.

ANY IS THE APPLICANT HERE, UH, WHERE THE APPLICANT, WHERE THE APPLICANT WORKS FOR? WELL, OKAY.

WE ARE WE'RE HERE.

I HOPE I HAVE A QUESTION FOR OUR ATTORNEY, UH, IN COMMON LAW, THE FACT THAT COMMON LAW WOULDN'T THAT DETERMINE THAT YOU WOULD SPLIT THE ABANDONED ROADS.

THERE IS A PRESUMPTION THAT, THAT WHEN A ROAD IS ABANDONED, THAT THE ABUTTING OWNERS ON EACH SIDE, UNDER THE CENTER, HOWEVER, ABSENT A SURVEY OF THIS SORT, NOBODY CAN DETERMINE PRECISELY WHERE THE CENTER LINE IS.

SO WHAT YOU TYPICALLY DO IN THIS CASE, AND WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING IS OF COURSE, WE HAVE THE SURVEY NOW THAT THAT SHOWS THE CENTER THAT SHOWS A CENTER LINE, WHICH MAY NOT BE PRECISELY EXACTLY WHERE THE ROAD IS.

YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S ANGULAR AS OPPOSED TO CURB.

AND SO IN ORDER TO, UM, TO, TO CLARIFY TITLE, WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING IS THAT MR. BIRD QUIT CLAIM TO THE COUNTY, EVERYTHING ON THE COUNTY SIDE OF THIS SURVEY LINE AND THE COUNTY QUITCLAIM CLAIM TO MR. BIRD, EVERYTHING ON HIS SIDE OF THE, OF THE SURVEY LINE.

SO THAT THERE'S NO QUESTION.

I MEAN, IN CASE SOMEONE COMES IN LATER AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S A FEW PLACES WHERE THIS SURVEY LINE IS A FEW INCHES, MAYBE A FOOT OFF ACTUAL CENTER LINE, THEREFORE THERE'S PIECES OF IT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE LEFT IN DOUBT.

SO THIS IS THE PRACTICE BY THE WAY, THERE WAS FOLLOWED BACK IN THE DAYS WHEN I WAS AT A PRIVATE FIRM.

SO, UM, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.

I MEAN, ACTUALLY, AS A MATTER OF FACT, IF YOU NOTICE RIGHT AT THE VERY TIP THE TIP, THAT'S A PIECE OF PROPERTY.

THE COUNTY PURCHASED AT THE TIME WE WERE DEVELOPING THE GOODWIN NECK ROAD CAMPUS, BUT WE OWNED ON BOTH SIDES OF IT.

ONCE WE PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY, I THINK THE FAMILY'S NAME WAS SILVER OR SILVERS.

AND SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH A SURVEY.

WE OWNED WHEREVER THE CENTER LINE WAS.

WE OWNED ON BOTH SIDES OF IT.

SO AT THE TITLE COMPANY AGREED THAT WE COULD PUT OUR ENTRY ROAD THROUGH THERE AND THAT'S ACTUALLY WHERE IT IS.

UH, IS THERE ANYBODY I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE? I DON'T SEE ANY ONE.

SO I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

THE MOTION MADE BY MR. GREEN IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 22 DASH 51 TO EXECUTE A DEED OF CONFIRMATION OF THE BOUNDARY LINE AND QUITCLAIM ON PROPERTIES LOCATED ON GOODWIN NECK ROAD, MR. SHEPHERD.

MR. ZAREMBA, MR. GREEN, MR. ROWAN, MRS. NOLE.