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[Call to Order]
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.THANK YOU FOR JOINING US FOR THE MARCH 15TH, 2022 BORDER SUPERVISORS MEETING THE MEETING WILL NOW COME TO ORDER AND WE CAN HAVE THE ROLL CALL PLEASE.
THE INVOCATION TONIGHT WILL BE GIVEN BY PASTOR WALTER C. JOHNSON, ZION PROSPECT BAPTIST CHURCH ASTER.
WE'RE SO HAPPY TO HAVE YOU WITH US.
THAT IS FREY ETERNAL AND GRACIOUS FATHER.
WE THANK YOU FOR LIFE AND ABUNDANCE OF LIFE.
WE THANK YOU GOD FOR HOW YOU HAVE BLESSED US.
AND WE COME NOW ASKING THAT YOU WILL CONTINUE TO ALLOW YOUR WILL TO BE DONE THROUGH US.
WE THANK YOU FOR THESE BOARD MEMBERS.
WE ASK YOUR BLESSINGS UPON THEM.
WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD GUIDE ON DIRECTORS AND ALL THAT WE SAY AND DO FATHER.
WE DO PRAY FOR THOSE THAT ARE IN WAR TORN COUNTRIES.
WE ASK YOUR BLESSINGS UPON THEM AND WE PRAY, LORD GOD, THAT YOUR WILL WILL BE DONE.
AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO GIVE YOU A NAME TO GLORY BECAUSE YOU ARE WORTHY TO BE PRAISED FOR HIS GLORY, HIS NAME WE PRAY.
WE PLEASE ALL STAND FOR THE PREJUDICE OF LESIONS AND MR. ROME.
[A Proposed FY2023 Budget Presentation. Receive presentation from County Administrator. ]
HAVE A BIG PRESENTATION.IT'S GOING TO BE, IT'S A PROPOSED BUDGET FOR 2023 AND I CALLED THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
NEIL MORGAN, PLEASE, SIR, YOU'RE ON DECK, UH, GOOD EVENING.
UH, TONIGHT IS THE NIGHT I WILL BE PRESENTING, UH, MY AND THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDED BUDGET FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
UH, THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS, WHICH THE BOARD WILL UNDERTAKE TO REVIEW AND, UH, HOPEFULLY ACT ON THIS, UH, BUDGET IN MAY AT THE END OF MY PRESENTATION, I'LL GO OVER THE SCHEDULE FOR, UH, UH, THE REST OF THE PROCESS.
SO AS EVERY YEAR, AS WE PUT THE BUDGET TOGETHER AND CONSIDER ALL OF THE MANY VARIABLES AND ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO BALANCE, WE ALWAYS TRY TO LOOK THROUGH THE LENS OF THE BOARD'S STRATEGIC PRIORITIES.
AND I BELIEVE WHEN YOU STUDY THIS DOCUMENT, YOU WILL SEE THAT A LOT OF THE AREAS OF EMPHASIS, UH, ON OUR EXPENDITURE PLAN, UH, RELATE TO THE SIX PRIORITIES, UH, THAT, UH, HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR SOME TIME.
SO IN SUMMARY, UH, THE, UH, OF COURSE THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET IS THE LARGEST PORTION OF THE BUDGET, THE PART, UH, WHERE THE REVENUE COMES FROM GENERAL TAX SOURCES.
UM, AND WE TEND TO TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, BUT WHAT YOU SEE IS A SNAPSHOT HERE OF THE ALL FUNDS BUDGET, UH, WHICH, UH, EXCEEDS A QUARTER OF A BILLION DOLLARS FOR F Y 23 OKAY.
SO SOME OF THE, ON THE REVENUE SIDE, SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS, SOME OF THE BUDGET DRIVERS, UH, ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS, UH, BECAUSE MORE THAN HALF OF OUR REVENUE COMES FROM REAL ESTATE, THE BI-ANNUAL REASSESSMENT IS ALWAYS A, A BIG VARIABLE IN THE BUDGET, AND IT IS THIS YEAR WE'VE REPORTED ON THAT PREVIOUSLY.
AND I'LL, I'LL HAVE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL MOMENTARILY.
ANOTHER THING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN OUR LAST WORK SESSION, WHICH WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND IS WE'RE IN A DIFFERENT INFLATIONARY ENVIRONMENT THAN WE HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF CHALLENGE FOR ALL OF US BECAUSE WE LOOK AT YEAR TO YEAR NUMBERS AND WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT SOME OF THE CHANGE WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, IS NOMINAL AND NOT A REAL, UM, AND THAT KIND OF AFFECTS BOTH THE EXPENDITURE AND THE, AND THE REVENUE SIDE.
UM, ANOTHER IMPORTANT THING, UH, ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE THAT I FEEL VERY GOOD ABOUT.
AND I KNOW THAT YOU DO TOO, IS, UH, THAT WE ARE, UH, IN OUR BUDGETS CONTINUING TO,
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TO FUND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, UH, AT A REALISTIC LEVEL.WE'LL, WE'LL REMIND EVERYONE ABOUT SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS, UH, BUT BOTH ON THE DEBT SIDE AND THE CASH CAPITAL SIDE, WE HAVE A REALISTIC PLAN TO FUND OUR CIP GOING FORWARD.
OUR SCHOOL CONTRIBUTION IS SIGNIFICANT AS IT ALWAYS IS FROM LOCAL FUNDS.
ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY AS A PROPORTION OF OUR OVERALL REVENUE, IT'S RELATIVELY MODEST THIS YEAR, UH, BECAUSE, UM, WHEN WORKING WITH THE SCHOOLS, THEY, UH, ARE RELATIVELY OPTIMISTIC THAT THEIR REVENUE FROM THE STATE WILL BE PRETTY HEALTHY THIS YEAR.
UM, THERE IS AN EMPHASIS ON PUBLIC SAFETY POSITIONS.
I'LL DETAIL THAT HERE IN A MINUTE, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, UH, BUT THERE ARE A TOTAL OF, UH, 14, UH, FIRE AND SHERIFF'S DEPUTY, UH, POSITIONS RECOMMENDED IN THIS BUDGET AND THE OTHER, UH, BIG ITEM.
UM, IS THE COMPENSATION FOR STAFF IF YOU ANALYZE ANY LOCAL GOVERNMENT BUDGET BY FAR, THE BIGGEST EXPENDITURE IS FOR PEOPLE.
UH, WE'RE A PEOPLE INDUSTRY, VERY LABOR INTENSIVE, ALMOST EVERYTHING WE DO.
AND, UM, UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR YEAR, UH, NOT ONLY DO WE NEED, UH, A GOOD TOTAL COMPENSATION PACKAGE TO RETAIN AND ATTRACT OUR EMPLOYEES, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE, UH, INFLATIONARY ASPECT OF, UH, THEIR INCOMES AS WE CONSIDER, UH, THIS BUDGET IN ITS ENTIRETY.
AND MORE IN THE CONCERN SIDE, SORT OF, UM, AS YOU ALL ARE WELL AWARE, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY HAS ADJOURN WITHOUT FINALIZING THE BUDGET SO THAT, YOU KNOW, ADDS TO MY TREPIDATION.
THIS, THIS BUDGET'S GONE TO PRINT WITH VARIOUS HEROIC ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT WHERE THE STATE IS GOING TO DO.
AND, UH, IT'S ALWAYS A LITTLE BIT TRICKY AND WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE UNCERTAINTY THERE THAN USUAL.
I DO ASSUME THAT, UH, THE LOCAL GROCERY TAX REVENUE WILL EITHER BE RETAINED IN OUR BUDGET OR THAT THE STATE AND SOME COMPROMISE COMPROMISE WILL PROVIDE ALTERNATIVE REVENUE TO COVER IT, WHICH I THINK IS A REASONABLE ASSUMPTION, BUT THERE'S NOT A GUARANTEE.
AND IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN LATER IN THE BUDGET PROCESS, WE'LL HAVE TO REVISIT WHAT THAT MEANS.
AND FINALLY, I MENTIONED THIS IN THE BUDGET LETTER, IN THE, IN THE BUDGET DOCUMENT, THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU TONIGHT, UH, AS WE WERE PUTTING THE FINISHING TOUCHES ON THIS BUDGET, OF COURSE, THE RUSSIAN INVASION OF UKRAINE STARTED SEEMS LIKE YOU CAN'T HAVE A BUDGET AROUND HERE WITHOUT SOME, YOU KNOW, WILD VARIABLE THAT, THAT MAKES YOU WONDER, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT.
SO, UH, JUST SORT OF A CAUTIONARY COMMENT, YOU KNOW, THAT ECONOMISTS CALL THAT A BLACK SWAN, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, MAY ALTER ALL OF YOUR ASSUMPTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW YET.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT LOOK TOTALLY DIFFERENTLY IN A FEW WEEKS, BUT THAT WOULD SORT OF BE A CAUTIONARY COMMENT ABOUT ALL OF OUR REVENUE ASSUMPTIONS, YOU KNOW, AS WE GO INTO NEXT YEAR.
SO EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT RESIDENTIAL REAL ESTATE VALUES HAVE BEEN GOING UP ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY.
THIS SLIDE, AGAIN, NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH OUR REASSESSMENT.
THIS IS WHAT, UH, THE COMMERCIAL FIRMS, ZILLOW REPORTS AS THE ONE-YEAR INCREASE IN RESIDENTIAL REAL ESTATE PRICES.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WHILE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES AROUND HERE HAVE DIFFERENT AVERAGE PRICES THAT, YOU KNOW, THE TREND IS VERY SIMILAR FOR ALL OF THEM.
I GUESS THE OTHER POINT OF THIS SLIDE IS, YOU KNOW, I KNOW FOLKS WERE ALWAYS CONCERNED.
THEY GET A, UH, AN ASSESSMENT NOTICE AND THE VALUE GOES UP.
BUT I THINK WHAT THIS ILLUSTRATES IS WE BY NO MEANS HAVE HAD A SUPER AGGRESSIVE IN A CRAZY REASSESSMENT.
OUR AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL ASSESSED REASSESSMENT FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD WAS 7%.
AND ACCORDING TO ZILLOW IN THE LAST YEAR, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES HAVE GONE UP BY ALMOST 14.
SO WE WERE, UH, I BELIEVE OUR ASSESSOR HAS BEEN, UH, PRETTY CAUTIOUS.
AND OF COURSE, UH, AT LEAST PHILOSOPHICALLY, I THINK THAT'S THE ROLE OF A GOVERNMENT REASSESSMENT PROCESS TO KIND OF SOFTEN THE EDGES.
IT DOESN'T GO UP AS FAST AND IT DOESN'T GO DOWN AS FAST AS WHAT, YOU KNOW, MIGHT BE EXPERIENCED IN REAL TIME, YOU KNOW, IN THE PRIVATE MARKET.
SO TAX RATES ARE ALWAYS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR THE CITIZENS, FOR, AND FOR YOU ALL.
AND, UH, I AM PLEASED TO TELL YOU THAT I AM RECOMMENDING A REAL ESTATE RATE REDUCTION FROM THE CURRENT, UH, 0.795 PER $100 OF VALUE TO 0.78.
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UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT WITH, UM, SOME DYNAMIC TRENDS IN OUR NON REAL ESTATE REVENUE, IN ADDITION TO, UM, RETAINING SOME OF THE REASSESSMENT REVENUE ON THE REAL ESTATE SIDE, UH, THAT WE CAN AFFORD THAT AND STILL ACHIEVE OUR, OUR PRIORITIES ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE OF THE BUDGET.UM, I'M EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO RECOMMEND THAT AND, UM, THE PERSONAL PROPERTY RATE, UH, I AM NOT MAKING ANY RECOMMENDED CHANGE.
AND AS YOU'LL SEE IN AN UPCOMING SLIDE, WE DO HAVE ONE OF THE LOWEST PERSONAL PROPERTY RATES IN THE REGION GOT TO SHOW THIS SLIDE EVERY YEAR.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, OUR VISION FOR YOUR COUNTY IS TO REMAIN THE LOWEST TAX FULL SERVICE MAJOR, UH, LOCAL GOVERNMENT IN HAMPTON ROADS.
AND WHILE THERE'S OTHER TAXES, THE REAL ESTATE RATE IS BY FAR THE, THE SINGLE BIGGEST INDICATOR AND THE 0.78 SHOWS, UH, WHERE WE COMPARE, UH, TO OUR NEIGHBORS, CAN'T SAY FOR SURE WHAT THE OTHERS ARE DOING.
UH, BUT I BELIEVE THAT, UH, THIS BUDGET RECOMMENDATION LEAVES US SQUARELY IN THAT SWEET SPOT, UH, WHERE WE HAVE BEEN AND WHERE WE WANT TO REMAIN.
SO I MENTIONED, YOU WANT US TO ASK QUESTIONS AS WE GO ALONG A LITTLE SHELTER? YES.
WOULD YOU LIKE US ASK QUESTIONS AS WE GO ON? OH, LET HIM FINISH HIS PRESENTATION AND WE'LL ASK QUESTIONS.
YEAH, THE, UM, UH, THIS IS, UH, THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX, JUST AS A REMINDER, THIS IS A LITTLE STATISTIC THAT SHOWS YOU WHAT INFLATION LOOKS LIKE COMPARED TO WHAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED IN RECENT YEARS.
NOW, I WANT TO GO DOWN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET.
SO AS I MENTIONED, UH, THE CONSUMER TAXES BY CERTAINLY NOT AS, UH, LARGE IN SCALE AS REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY HAVE PERFORMED, UH, PRETTY STRONGLY, THEY DID NOT GO DOWN VERY MUCH DURING THE PANDEMIC.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A SLOWDOWN THERE, AND PARTLY BECAUSE OF THE, UH, THE STATE ALLOWING US TO COLLECT A SALES TAX ON INTERNET PURCHASES.
THAT'S ONE OF THE MAJOR REASONS WHY, UH, WE DID NOT GET HIT BY THE PANDEMIC AS MUCH AS WE MIGHT OTHERWISE HAVE.
THIS IS A, A MORE GRANULAR SLIDE FOCUSING JUST ON THE LAST YEAR OF SALES TAX.
NOW THOSE MONTHLY PERCENTAGES SHOW, UH, SALES TAX GROWTH RELATIVE TO THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THE LAST YEAR, WE'VE HAD STRONG SALES TAX GROWTH ALMOST EVERY MONTH AS COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
AGAIN, I DO HAVE TO CAUTION THAT AN A COMPONENT OF THAT IS INFLATION.
SO THOSE ARE NOMINAL DOLLARS, NOT INFLATION ADJUSTED DOLLARS.
SO GOING TO THE REVENUE SUMMARY, THIS ILLUSTRATES THAT THE REAL ESTATE TAX FOR MOST LOCALITIES IN VIRGINIA, AND CERTAINLY FOR YOUR COUNTY IS THE BIG KAHUNA IN TERMS OF THE BASE OF OUR BUDGET.
UH, YOU SEE SOME OF THE, UH, PROJECTED, UH, TRENDS AND OTHER IMPORTANT REVENUES.
ONE I'LL MENTION IS THE PUBLIC SERVICE CORPORATION, WHICH OF COURSE INCLUDES DOMINION POWER.
AND AS YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEEN TRENDING DOWNWARD IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.
AND OVER TIME, WE STILL HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, UH, THE OIL REFINERY CLOSING IN ABOUT ANOTHER YEAR.
UH, BUT IT HASN'T DROPPED OFF AS MUCH AS WE THOUGHT IT WOULD.
AND WE BELIEVE AS YOU KNOW, WE DON'T COLLECT THAT TAX DIRECTLY.
WE BASICALLY GET TOLD BY THE STATE HERE'S YOUR NUMBER, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT'S BECAUSE DOMINION HAS BEEN REINVESTING IN THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE COUNTY.
SO THIS IS PARTLY REFLECTED IN ALL THE NEW, UH, YOU KNOW, POWER LINES, UH, AND THE TRANSFORMER IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'VE SEEN GOING ON AROUND THE COUNTY OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, UH, THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX, AS YOU ALL HAVE READ, UM, IS, IS DOING WELL.
AND THAT'S, THERE'S SORT OF A RACE BETWEEN, ON THE ONE HAND, THERE'S A SHORTAGE OF NEW VEHICLES.
SO MAYBE SOME PEOPLE AREN'T BUYING AS MANY NEW VEHICLES, BUT THE VALUE OF RELATIVELY NEW USE VEHICLES IS GOING UP SIGNIFICANTLY.
AND THAT PRETTY MUCH EXPLAINS THE TREND THERE.
WE BELIEVE, UH, YOU SEE THE OTHERS THERE.
THE OTHER ONE I'LL MENTION THAT I THINK WE SHOULD ALL FEEL PRETTY GOOD
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ABOUT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE MEALS TAX, ALTHOUGH IT LAGGED A LITTLE BIT DURING THE PANDEMIC, UH, YOU KNOW, BOUNCE BACK VERY NICELY AND, UH, CONTINUES TO PERFORM WELL.AGAIN, THESE ARE NOT INFLATION ADJUSTED NUMBERS.
AND THEN, UM, THE ONE NEW SOURCE OF REVENUE, WHICH IS PROVING TO BE PRETTY DYNAMIC SO FAR, DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE ANYBODY TO SMOKE.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UM, FOR THE PARTIAL YEAR, RECALL THAT, UH, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY ALLOWED US TO IMPOSE THIS TAX AND WE DID.
AND, UH, IT'S PERFORMING ABOVE WHAT WE BUDGETED FOR THIS PARTIAL YEAR AND PROJECTING THAT OUT FOR NEXT YEAR.
UM, THAT LOOKS LIKE A PRETTY FAVORABLE SOURCE OF REVENUE.
SO THIS IS A BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS, FEDERAL STATISTIC THAT WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU AS WE TALK ABOUT, UM, THE FACT THAT WE'RE A LABOR INTENSIVE ORGANIZATION AND A LOT OF OUR MONEY NEEDS TO GO FOR TOTAL COMPENSATION.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE LAST STATISTIC WAS, THIS IS THE, AN EMPLOYER COST PER EMPLOYEE AND HOW MUCH IT WENT UP.
THESE ARE BASED ON NATIONAL STATISTICS AND, UM, A YEAR AGO THAT NUMBER WAS 4%.
AND OF COURSE WE DON'T HAVE THE FINAL DATA FOR THE YEAR THAT THIS BUDGET IS GOING INTO, BUT CLEARLY IT'S GOING UP FROM THERE.
OUR GUESTS WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE 6%.
SO DID WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, IN THE INTERNAL PROCESS OF BUDGET MAKING, THERE'S A LOT OF WHAT YOU MIGHT CALL SAUSAGE MAKING THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT TO THE TOP LINE ABOUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT WITH THE BOARD OFTEN.
UH, BUT I DID WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS WE HAVE DONE ON THE COST CONTAINMENT COST AVOIDANCE SIDE.
NOW, NOT EVERY YEAR, CAN YOU DO SOMETHING DRAMATIC? UH, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR RECALL, UH, WE HAD A SIGNIFICANT ONGOING SAVINGS, UH, WHEN WE CLOSED CROSSROADS AND THAT WAS $400,000 A YEAR ONGOING.
AND WE, THAT SAVINGS CONTINUES IN THIS BUDGET THAT THAT IS NOT ON THIS LIST, CAUSE THAT WAS REALLY AN ACTION FROM LAST YEAR.
UM, BUT SOME OF THE THINGS WE ARE, YOU SEE IN THIS BUDGET, ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ONES IS, IS DEBT MANAGEMENT, THE TIMING OF WHEN YOU GET TO THE MARKET, UM, AND THE, WHEN YOU CHOOSE TO USE CASHFLOW AND A WAY TO BORROW MONEY, UH, THAT CAN, UH, SAVE YOU SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, UH, IN AN ANNUAL BUDGET.
AND I FEEL LIKE, UH, THE BIG THING WE'VE DONE IN THAT AREA THIS YEAR IS WE'RE GOING TO MARKET ON THE COUNTY DEBT.
UH, BUT FOR THE, THE SIGNIFICANT SCHOOL DEBT, WE'RE GOING TO HOLD OFF A FEW MONTHS AND THAT'LL SAVE US A YEAR'S WORTH OF DEBT SERVICE IN THE BUDGET WITHOUT REALLY SLOWING ANYTHING DOWN.
AND I THINK THERESA AND THE FINANCE TEAM FOR, FOR HELPING US SEE HOW TO DO THAT, I'M SORRY, MATE, WAVE A MAGIC WAND.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S JUDGMENTS ALL THE WAY ALONG WHEN YOU GO TO THE MARKET, HOW FAST A PROJECT IS GOING TO SPEND MONEY.
AND, AND BASED ON THE TIMING OF SCHOOL PROJECTS, THEIR, UM, THEIR BIG EXPENDITURES ARE IN THE SUMMER.
SO WE THINK THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WAIT ANOTHER YEAR TO MAKE THAT, UH, MAKE THAT BORROWING THOSE SHIFT TO HYBRID VEHICLES.
WE'VE BEEN EXPERIMENTING WITH HYBRID VEHICLES FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND, UM, THE, THE SUPPLY AND THE QUALITY OF HYBRID VEHICLES FOR, FOR GOVERNMENT PURPOSES HAS IMPROVED.
SO IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, ESSENTIALLY ALL OF THE NEW LAW ENFORCEMENT VEHICLES WILL BE HYBRIDS.
AND WE MADE THAT DECISION, UH, IN OUR RECOMMENDED BUDGET ABOUT THREE MONTHS AGO.
AND RIGHT NOW THAT'S LOOKING LIKE A PRETTY GOOD DECISION BASED ON, UH, FUEL PRICES.
UM, OVERTIME ANALYSIS IS ANOTHER THING LAST YEAR, YOU ALL MADE A DECISION, UH, THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH SOME ADDITIONAL SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES IN THE CREATION OF THE YORKTOWN PATROL DISTRICT, WE WERE ABLE TO CUT OVER TIME BY A COUPLE OF HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ON AN ONGOING BASIS.
AND, UH, THE FINANCE AND BUDGET STAFF HAVE IDENTIFIED ABOUT ANOTHER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN OVERTIME SAVINGS IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.
AND THEN ON THE BUDGET PROCESS SIDE, AGAIN, THIS IS THE SAUSAGE MAKING.
FOR EXAMPLE, SOMETIMES THERE WAS MAINTENANCE, UH, AGREEMENTS THAT DON'T KICK IN IN THE FIRST YEAR, UH, THAT GENERATES SOME SAVINGS.
UH, THE OVERTIME ANALYSIS I MENTIONED AND,
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UH, VACANT POSITION MANAGEMENT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LARGER YOUR ORGANIZATION, UH, THE MORE VACANT POSITIONS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AT ANY ONE TIME IN THIS BUDGET INCLUDES AN ASSUMPTION THAT WE WILL NOT SPEND $900,000 IN SALARIES, UH, BASED ON JUST THE INERTIA OF PEOPLE LEAVING AND THE TIME LAG, UH, AS WELL AS IN SOME CASES WE, WE CONSCIOUSLY HOLD POSITIONS VACANT, UM, WHILE WE'RE ANALYZING, UH, THE NEED FOR A PARTICULAR JOB ON THE EXPENDITURE PRIORITY SIDE.UM, MOST OF THESE THINGS ARE THE THINGS YOU USUALLY SEE IN BUDGETS.
UM, AGAIN, A 1.8 MILLION IN SCHOOL FUNDING ON THE LOCAL SIDE, UH, THAT IS GOING TO BE DWARFED BY WHAT THE SUPERINTENDENT BELIEVES HE'S GOING TO GET ON THE STATE SIDE THIS YEAR, WHICH IS WHY WE CAN BE A LITTLE BIT MORE MODEST THAN WE HAVE BEEN IN SOME OTHER YEARS.
THE CASH CAPITAL TRANSFER IS ONE OF THE IMPORTANT ELEMENTS OF FUNDING, OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN.
AND AGAIN, ON THE COUNTY SIDE, APPROXIMATELY 50% OF OUR CIP IS CASH FUNDED, WHICH IS QUITE SIGNIFICANT AND COMPARES FAVORABLY TO MOST OF OUR, OUR PURE LOCALITIES.
THE COMPENSATION PACKAGE THAT I'M RECOMMENDING IS OBVIOUSLY THE SINGLE LARGEST LINE ITEM.
AND WHEN YOU SEE THE BUDGET BY FUNCTION HERE IN ANOTHER SLIDE, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT TRANSLATED IN A DIFFERENT WAY BECAUSE THE MONEY IS ABOUT THE PEOPLE.
UH, AND IN PARTICULAR, WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING IS A 5% INCLEASE INCREASE PLUS AN ANNUAL AS $1,500.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, I HAVE TENDED TO RECOMMEND A MIXTURE OF A PERCENTAGE SO THAT THE RANGES MOVE, UH, BUT ALSO AN ANNUALIZED DOLLAR AMOUNT, WHICH SCREWS, SKEWS THE INCREASE TOWARD THE LOWER PAID PART OF THE WORKFORCE.
AND, UM, I FEEL LIKE BASED ON WHAT I KNOW ABOUT WHAT OUR NEIGHBORS ARE DOING, UM, THIS WOULD AT LEAST KEEP US, UH, WE WOULDN'T LOSE GROUND, UH, WITH OUR NEIGHBORS IN TERMS OF COMPENSATION, THE, UM, HEALTH INSURANCE, WE BRIEFED ON THAT AT THE WORK SESSION.
UM, THE SINGLE LARGEST INCREASE WOULD BE IN THE FAMILY RATE, $50 A MONTH.
THAT'S OF COURSE THERE'S TWO PAYCHECKS, THERE'S PAYCHECK EVERY TWO WEEKS.
SO IT'D BE, UM, ABOUT $25 EVERY TWO WEEKS.
SO WE STILL BELIEVE OUR HEALTH INSURANCE IS A VERY GOOD VALUE COMPARED TO MANY OF OUR PEERS, UM, AND JUST LIKE CASH CAPITAL.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE'VE GOT TO BUDGET FOR IN OUR OPERATING BUDGET, IF WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN IS THE DEBT SERVICE.
AND, UM, THE 1.3 MILLION IS FOR NEW POSITIONS, UH, PRIMARILY IN PUBLIC SAFETY, WHICH I'LL DETAIL HERE IN JUST A MINUTE, IN FACT, ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
UM, SO I AM RECOMMENDING, UH, 10 FIREFIGHTERS.
I BELIEVE YOU ALL AN INFORMAL CONVERSATION OF I'VE HEARD THIS BEFORE, UH, EIGHT OF THOSE WOULD BE TO STAFF 24 7, UM, MEDIC UNIT AT NEW FIRE STATION NUMBER SEVEN.
AND TWO OF THOSE WOULD GO TOWARD OUR INCREMENTAL PLAN TO, UH, GROW THE, UH, THE FIREFIGHTER WORKFORCE ON OUR, ON OUR HEAVY UNITS, WHICH IS AN INCREMENTAL THING THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
UH, THERE IS A TOTAL OF FOUR SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES RECOMMENDED IN THIS BUDGET, TWO GENERAL PATROL DEPUTIES AND, UH, TO ADDITIONAL SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS, WHICH WOULD PUT US IN A POSITION OF HAVING AN SRO, UH, AT EVERY HIGH SCHOOL AND EVERY MIDDLE SCHOOL.
UM, THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEYS MADE A PERSUASIVE CASE, UH, THAT SHE NEEDS A PARALEGAL, UH, TO HELP KEEP UP WITH, UM, THE GROWTH AND THE LAW ENFORCEMENT WORK IN HER OFFICE.
AND, UH, THE CLERK OF CIRCUIT COURT HAS A SIMILAR NEED, UH, WHICH I AM RECOMMENDING.
THERE ARE TWO, UH, FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT POSITIONS THAT I'M RECOMMENDING THAT ARE NOT PUBLIC SAFETY.
ONE IS, UH, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE OPENING OF THE EXPANDED AND MODERNIZE YOUR ACCOUNT LIBRARY.
UM, THE LIBRARY DIRECTOR'S NUMBER ONE PRIORITY WAS FOR A NEW YOUTH SERVICES LIBRARIAN, AND I'M RECOMMENDING THAT POSITION.
AND FINALLY, I'M RECOMMENDING A MANAGEMENT ANALYST POSITION IN OUR PLANNING DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT, UH, WHICH IS TRANSITIONING, UH, AN OUTSTANDING MANAGEMENT INTERN.
WE HAVE CURRENTLY, UH, INTO A FULL-TIME POSITION.
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THIS BREAKS DOWN, UM, THE EXPENDITURES OF THE TOTAL NEW MONEY IN THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET BY FUNCTION.AND OF COURSE THERE'S A DETAILED STORY IN EVERY ONE OF THOSE, BUT THE, IF YOU WERE GOING TO MAKE ONE GENERALIZED OBSERVATION, IT IS THAT, UM, MOST OF THAT INCREASE IS RELATED TO, UH, EITHER THE POSITIONS OR THE COMPENSATION INCREASES.
THAT'S THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE GROWTH IN THAT ALL OF THOSE FUNCTIONAL AREAS, THE EXCEPTION BEING CAPITAL OUTLAY, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY RELATED TO THEM CIP.
UH, WE DO HAVE SIGNIFICANT NON-GENERAL FUND PROGRAMS, UM, SEWER, REGIONAL RADIO, SOLID WASTE.
I AM NOT RECOMMENDING ANY FEE CHANGES IN ANY OF THOSE.
WE HAVE, UM, SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS, UH, THAT ARE EXISTS FOR VARIOUS REASONS, MOSTLY TIED TO STATE LAW AND SITUATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED OVER THE YEARS.
ONE OF THE MORE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT I FEEL VERY GOOD ABOUT AND ALSO RELATES TO ONE OF YOUR STRATEGIC PRIORITIES IS WE HAVE COMBINED, UH, THE TOURISM FUNCTION AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUNCTION.
AND SO WHEN YOU REVIEW THE DETAILS OF THE BUDGET, YOU WILL SEE THOSE FUNCTIONS COMBINED.
UH, THE OTHER ONES I THINK ARE MOSTLY SELF-EXPLANATORY.
SO THIS WAS A POSITIVE, THE ONE AREA DURING THE PANDEMIC THAT CLEARLY WAS HIT HARD.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT DID PRETTY MUCH LIVE UP TO OUR FEARS, WAS THE CRASH IN THE LODGING TAX FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.
UH, WE HAVE BEEN SEEING A RECOVERY.
SO FOR THE YEAR YOU'RE IN, WE'RE IN, YOU SEE THE BLUE RED LINE COMBINED THAT SHOWS FOR THE PARTIAL YEAR WE'RE IN, WE'VE ALL MOST MADE IT TO THE TOTAL AMOUNT WE GOT LAST YEAR.
SO WE APPEAR TO BE ON TRACK TO GET BACK TO, SHALL WE SAY NORMAL WHEN IT COMES TO THE LODGING TAX, IF WE DON'T GET, YOU KNOW, SOME SURPRISE, UH, YOU KNOW, NEW COVID VERY, VERY IN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS ARE WHERE WE CHARGE OURSELVES, UH, AND OR OUR EMPLOYEES FOR, UH, IMPORTANT, UH, SERVICES OR PROGRAMS. UH, FLEET IS ONE OF THEM, WHICH WE DO A VERY GOOD JOB OF, UM, COVERING THE COST OF KEEP OUR FLEET MODERNIZED INFORMATION.
TECHNOLOGY IS ONE OF OUR NEWER ONES.
AND BY THE WAY, THIS FUND, UH, WHEN, WHEN THE PANDEMIC STARTED, BECAUSE WE HAD THIS FUN, WE WERE WELL POSITIONED TO DEPLOY A LOT OF, UH, TECHNOLOGY SO THAT PEOPLE COULD WORK AT HOME.
SO THAT REALLY PAID OFF WORKERS' COMP OF COURSE, IS A TRADITIONAL ONE IS AS, IS A HEALTH AND DENTAL.
AND YOU RECEIVED A BRIEFING ON THE HEALTH AND DENTAL, UH, FUND AT THE LAST WORK SESSION.
SO THE WAY WE DO THE BUDGET, UH, THE CIP, THE CAPITAL BUDGET IS EMBEDDED IN THE OPERATING BUDGET THAT YOU END UP CONSIDERING AND VOTING ON IN MAY, UH, ALL THE, YOU HAVE RECEIVED AND GONE OVER THE CAPITAL BUDGET IN GREAT DETAIL, UH, BACK IN DECEMBER.
UM, IT HAS ALSO BEEN, UH, REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEY HAVE PASSED A RESOLUTION, UH, IN THAT IT'S COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, MANY PEOPLE STRUGGLED TO UNDERSTAND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE OPERATING BUDGET AND THE CAPITAL BUDGET, AND THE SIMPLEST WAY TO SAY IT IS THAT IF IT'S A FAMILY BUDGET, UM, IF YOU PUT STUFF ON THE CREDIT CARD, WHICH IS YOUR CAPITAL BUDGET, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE.
AND THE OTHER PART OF THE BUDGET, YOU HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY OFF YOUR CREDIT CARD BILL.
SO OUR CIP, UH, IN OUR SIX-YEAR PLAN, UH, IS ACHIEVING THE INVESTMENT IN OUR FACILITIES THAT HONESTLY, I THINK WE HAD FALLEN PRETTY FAR BEHIND ON OF COURSE THE SIGNATURE PROJECT IS NEW LAW ENFORCEMENT BUILDING.
UM, THERE ARE OTHER, UH, PROJECTS AND, UH, MAJOR PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT YOU SEE LISTED THERE.
AND, UM, WE DON'T TALK ABOUT, OF COURSE THE SCHOOL DIVISION IS A MAJOR PART OF OUR CIP AND THEY'RE RIGHT NOW GETTING UNDERWAY, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE COMPLETE RECONSTRUCTION
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OF SEAFORD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WHICH WILL HAPPEN OVER THE NEXT 18 MONTHS.AND THEY HAVE OTHER SIGNIFICANT REINVESTMENTS IN THEIR PHYSICAL PLANT.
AND BECAUSE IT'S NOT GENERAL FUND, WE DON'T TEND TO TALK ABOUT IT AS MUCH, BUT WE HAVE, UH, MAJOR, UH, INVESTMENTS AND REINVESTMENTS IN BOTH SEWER AND STORM WATER, UH, THAT ARE REFLECTED IN THIS, UH, CAPITAL PLAN AS WELL.
SO PROCESS-WISE, UH, WE HAVE, UH, CURRENTLY ON OUR SCHEDULE A WORK SESSION, UH, ON APRIL 5TH, WHERE WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET.
WE HAVE SOME THINGS IN MIND THAT, UH, WE WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT, BUT OF COURSE, WE'RE ALSO, UH, OPEN TO WHAT THE BOARD MIGHT WANT TO DELVE INTO A LITTLE DEEPER IF NECESSARY.
WE CAN SCHEDULE ADDITIONAL WORK SESSIONS.
UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING ADVERTISED WOULD BE ON APRIL 19TH.
AND, UH, HOPEFULLY, UH, ON MAY 3RD, WE WILL ADOPT THE BUDGET.
AND ALSO HOPEFULLY BY THEN WE'LL KNOW WHAT THE STATE'S DOING.
SO, UM, MADAM CHAIRMAN, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
UH, IT'S QUITE A PRESENTATION AND, UH, WE'RE JUST BEGINNING TO WORK ON IT.
NOW, YOU ALL WORKED OUT FOR A LONG TIME NOW IT'S UP TO THE BOARD TO WORK ON IT.
AND WITH THAT IN MIND, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE'D LIKE TO ASK? YEP.
A COUPLE OF WE ALL WE ALL ON THE BOARD RECEIVED AN INTERESTING EMAIL THIS WEEK, MAYBE IT WAS FRIDAY OF LAST WEEK, A CONCERN TAX-PAYING CITIZEN TO THE COUNTY.
HE HAD RECEIVED HIS TAX ASSESSMENT, UH, AND HE WAS, UH, KIND OF, UH, HE THOUGHT HE KNEW, UH, SOMETHING ABOUT MATHEMATICS.
AND SO HE QUICKLY TOOK THAT TAX ASSESSMENT, MULTIPLY IT TIMES OF 79 CENTS PER $100 WORTH OF REAL ESTATE VALUE AND CAME UP WITH WHAT HE THOUGHT WAS A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN HIS TAX.
AND SO I SENT A, A, A MESSAGE TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR INFO TO THE BOARD, AND I SAID, UH, UM, NEIL, WOULD YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, UH, WHAT THE GENTLEMAN WAS TRYING TO GET AT AND WHAT WAS HE OVERLOOKING? AND I THOUGHT YOU DID A YEOMAN'S JOB OF THAT.
SO WOULD YOU SHARE THAT WITH US HERE? YO, THANK YOU, MR. ZIMMERMAN, BUT, UH, YEAH, SO, UM, THE FORM THAT WE SEND OUT AS PART OF THE ASSESSMENT, IT'S THE STATE, EVERY ONCE IN AWHILE IMPOSES SOME MANDATE ABOUT WHAT INFORMATION WE HAVE TO PUT ON THAT FORM.
AND WE PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK AT, UH, THE NEXT TIME WE DO IT, SEE IF WE CAN MAKE IT CLEARER.
UM, SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT STATEMENT, UM, THE, AT THE LAST, UH, ROW ON THAT FORM, IT HAS A PERCENTAGE INCREASE FROM 2018 TO 2020, AND A PERCENTAGE INCREASE FROM 20 TO 22.
AND HE LOOKED AT THAT AND THOUGHT THAT WE WERE SAYING THE REAL ESTATE RATE WAS GOING FROM 2.6% TO SIX POINT SOMETHING PERCENT.
WHEN IN FACT THE RATE IS ACTUALLY BELOW 1%.
AND WHAT, WHAT THAT FORM WAS TELLING HIM IS THAT, UH, HIS BASE, UH, TAX OR HIS BASE VALUE AND HIS BASE TAX WAS GOING TO GO UP A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN 7%, BUT THAT WAS 7% ON A BASE UNDER 1%, NOT 6% OF, UH, OF A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER, YOU KNOW, PER A HUNDRED.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATED HIS RESPONSE.
YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE UPSET, YOU GIVE THEM THE ANSWER AND THEN THEY MOVE ON, BUT HE TOOK THE TIME TO, TO TELL YOU ALL THAT HE APPRECIATED THE ANSWER AND I APPRECIATED HIM, UH, DOING THAT.
NOW I HAVE A QUESTION OF MY OWN.
MY THINKING FOR 27 YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD IS I KNEW SOMETHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TAX ASSESSMENTS, TAX INCREASES AND SO ON.
UM, BUT I I'M QUESTIONING MYSELF NOW AS TO WHETHER OR NOT TO DO AS MUCH AS I THOUGHT IT DID.
BUT I THOUGHT THERE WAS A, UH, EITHER STATE OR FED, BUT I THINK WOULD HAVE TO BE STATE STATUTE THAT SAYS SHORT OF THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVING A RATE INCREASE IF MY ASSESSMENT GOES UP X DOLLARS.
UH, AND WHEN YOU MULTIPLY BY THE TAX RATE, IF THAT SHOWED AN INCREASE IN MY TAX SHORT OF THIS BOARD, APPROVING THE INCREASE, THE, THE, UH, MUNICIPALITY WOULD HAVE TO LOWER THE TAX RATE.
SO THERE'S NO INCREASE IN TAX TO THE TAX PAYING CITIZEN, BUT WHAT DID I MISS UNDERSTANDABLE? YEAH.
SO THE CURRENT LAW REQUIRES WHEN WE PLACE AN AD FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE BUDGET TO SAY WHAT THE EFFECTIVE TAX RATE IS.
SO WE WOULD IDENTIFY WHAT THE NEW RATE WOULD HAVE TO BE IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE NO CHANGE IN WHAT YOU PAID.
RIGHT? SO OUR AD WILL SAY THAT.
AND, UH, I THINK THE NUMBER, IT WOULD HAVE
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TO GO DOWN FROM 79 5 TO, I THINK, 74, WHICH WOULD, UH, REDUCE THE BUDGET I'M RECOMMENDING BY FOUR OR $5 MILLION, WHICH WOULD NOT BE TENABLE IN MY VIEW.WE'RE RECOMMENDING TAKING YOU DOWN FROM 79, 5 TO 78.
SO ALL OF WHAT THE LAW REQUIRES IS THAT YOU EXPLAIN ALL THAT IN AN AD, WHICH OF COURSE, TRYING TO EXPLAIN ALL THAT AND AN AD IS ITS OWN SET OF ISSUES.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THERE, YOU KNOW, SOME STATES HAVE THINGS MORE LIKE WHAT YOU DESCRIBED, AND I THINK THOSE KINDS OF THINGS HAVE BEEN PROPOSED IN VIRGINIA, BUT WHAT THE LAW SAYS CURRENTLY IS WHAT I JUST DESCRIBED.
AND, YOU KNOW, IN THAT MAY SESSION, WHEN WE VOTE ON THE BUDGET, ANY QUESTIONS RELATIVE TO TAX INCREASES AND SO FORTH WILL BE APPROVED OR NOT, BUT APPROVED BY THIS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
SO IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH YOUR BOARD OF SUPERVISOR, YOU KNOW WHERE TO TURN IT, IF YOU'RE STILL NOT SATISFIED, BUT I THOUGHT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR DID A GREAT EXPLANATION OF AT LEAST THIS GENTLEMEN CONCERNS.
AND THAT IS, UH, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS THING CALLED THE PANDEMIC FOR THE LAST, WHAT, TWO YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THE GOOD OLD FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS THROWN MONEY AT EVERYTHING THEY CAN THINK OF.
I DON'T KNOW, TO WHAT EXTENT WE RECEIVED THAT.
WELL, MY QUESTION WOULD BE, AND I KNOW WE'VE ADDRESSED THIS PERIODICALLY OFF AND ON DURING THE PANDEMIC, UH, YOU'RE PROPOSING A 5% RAISE INCREASE IN TERMS OF COMPENSATION FOR OUR EMPLOYEES, FOR US TO $1,500.
TAGALONG UH, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW WHAT, IF ANY OF THAT, THAT BILL BACK BETTER PILE OF MONEY THAT WAS THROWN IT OUT, RESULTED IN EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION DURING THE PANDEMIC YEARS, ANY WAY OF DETERMINING THAT? YEAH.
I MEAN, WE PROBABLY DIDN'T WANT TO GO BACK AND GATHER UP SOME OF THE REPORTS WE'VE SENT OUT IN SOME OF THE PRESENTATIONS TO GIVE YOU A COMPLETE ANSWER.
A SHORT ANSWER WOULD BE, UM, THERE'VE BEEN SORT OF THREE FEDERAL ACTIONS OF SIGNIFICANCE, THE CARES ACT AND, UH, ARPA.
I FORGET WHAT THE ACRONYM STANDS FOR.
UH, THOSE TWO, UH, INVOLVE SENDING MONEY TO STATES, LOCALITIES, AND MANY OTHER THINGS CHECKS TO INDIVIDUALS AND VARIOUS OTHER PROGRAMS. AND THEN THE, UH, BUILD BACK BETTER THING, I THINK IS THE NAME OF THE SO-CALLED INFRASTRUCTURE LEGISLATION, WHICH HAS BEEN APPROVED, BUT ALL OF THE RULES AND ALL OF THE, HOW THAT MONEY IS GOING TO FLOW IS STILL PENDING THAT FOR THE MOST PART, WON'T COME THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT, WE WILL BENEFIT FROM, UH, ROAD PROJECTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE FUTURE.
PROBABLY A LOT OF THAT'S GOING TO BE 2, 3, 4 YEARS FROM NOW IN TERMS OF THE, UM, THE TWO POTS OF FEDERAL MONEY THAT, YOU KNOW, CAME THROUGH FEDERAL LEGISLATION THAT WERE INTENDED TO BENEFIT STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
UH, THE FIRST BENEFIT WE HAD WAS A LOT OF THE MONEY THAT WENT TO INDIVIDUALS AND BUSINESSES SENTENCE HELPED KEEP THE ECONOMY PERFORMING MORE STRONGLY THAN WHAT WE THOUGHT.
SO, PART OF WHAT I WAS SAYING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SALES TAX, DIDN'T GO DOWN IN MEALS TAX, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T GO DOWN.
A LOT OF THE EXPLANATION FOR THAT, UH, PROBABLY WAS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THAT MONEY KIND OF JUICE THE ECONOMY IN A PERIOD WHERE IT WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE BEEN GOING DOWN IN TERMS OF THE MONEY WE GOT, UM, USING BOTH THE CARES ACT AND THE ARPA MONEY WE DID PROVIDE, UH, SOME ONE-TIME BONUSES, UH, FOR OUR EMPLOYEES.
THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT ROUNDS OF THAT.
HONESTLY, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE.
UM, BUT KEEP IN MIND, IN ONE OF THOSE YEARS, IN THE FIRST YEAR OF THE PANDEMIC, WE TOTALLY FROZE OUR BUDGET AND WE DID NOT.
WHEREAS A LOT OF OTHER LOCALITIES AROUND HERE, UH, WENT AHEAD AND GAVE RAISES.
SO EITHER THE BONUSES WE GAVE TO SOME DEGREE MADE UP FOR THAT, BUT OF COURSE, FOR OUR EMPLOYEES THAT DIDN'T ADD ONTO THEIR BASE, THAT DIDN'T ADD ONTO THEIR RETIREMENT, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER WAY THAT THAT MONEY HAS BENEFITED US IS UNDER THE RULES.
WE WERE ALLOWED TO, UH, CLAIM SOME OF THAT MONEY TO BASICALLY REIMBURSE OURSELVES.
SO, UH, WHAT THAT DID WAS ALLOW OUR SURPLUSES, OUR YEAR-END PERFORMANCES DURING THE PANDEMIC TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER THAN THEY WOULD OTHERWISE BE.
AND WE WERE ABLE TO DO THINGS LIKE, UH, FULLY FUND FIRE STATION, NUMBER SEVEN, WITH CASH, WHICH WAS REALLY INDIRECTLY THAT FEDERAL MONEY, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO ASSIST THE SCHOOLS WITH THEIR BIG REMOTE TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM.
UM, WE WERE ABLE TO, UH, INVEST $1.5 MILLION IN BUILDING HIGH-SPEED
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FIBER IN THE NORTH COUNTY, WHICH IS A PROJECT WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY AND THEN THE ARPA MONEY, THE LAST SLUG, AS FAR AS I KNOW, UM, WE RECEIVED THE FIRST HALF OF IT LATER, THIS FISCAL YEAR WE'LL RECEIVE THE SECOND HALF OF IT.AND THIS BOARD IS PRETTY MUCH GIVEN DIRECTION ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO USE IT.
AND WHEN I THINK IS A REALLY WISE WAY, 80% OF THAT MONEY, WE'RE INVESTING IN CAPITAL PROJECTS ONE TIME NOW WE'RE PROBABLY, SO WE ARE USING IT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IN YOUR COUNTY.
SOME COMMUNITIES ARE COMING UP WITH LOTS OF PROGRAMS AND THINGS.
UH, AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, SINCE MONEY'S GONNA RUN OUT, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU START A BUNCH OF PROGRAMS AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE SOURCE TO CONTINUE THEM.
SO I THINK, UH, OBVIOUSLY SINCE I RECOMMENDED A FAIR AMOUNT OF IT, I THOUGHT THE WAY WE'RE DOING IT AS THE WAY TO GO.
AND SO A LOT OF THESE THINGS IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, IF YOU LOOK DOWN AT THE SOURCE OF FUNDS, ONE OF THE REASONS THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF CASH FUNDING IS BECAUSE WE'VE TAKEN A LOT OF THAT FEDERAL MONEY AND DOING THINGS WITH CASH RATHER THAN BORROWING MONEY.
THE MOST OF THAT MONEY WAS ONE-TIME MONEY.
OH, AND I'M GOING TO READ, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS THE BUDGET IS THREE, ALMOST 300 PAGES.
UH, I'LL BE GOING THROUGH THAT, UH, UM, LIKE THAT WE'RE GIVEN THE CITIZENS A TAX CUT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT TAX CUT A FULL 2% AND ALSO HAVE CONSUMED CONCERNS ABOUT THE EMPLOYEES, ESPECIALLY AT THE LOWER END OF THE PAY SCALE AND, UH, THE EFFECT OF INFLATION.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT A, I LIKE THE IDEA THAT YOU GIVE THE CASH BONUSES, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE MAYBE IF WE COULD DO A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN 1500 ON THAT CASH BONUS.
SO IF YOU COULD SHARPEN YOUR PENCIL, IF IT CAN BE SHARPENED AND, UH, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING BACK FROM YOU, JUST ONE CLARIFICATION THAT IS NOT THE 1500 IS NOT A BONUS.
AS I PROPOSE IT IS A $1,500 ANNUALIZED AMOUNT.
SO THE WAY THAT WOULD PLAY OUT, IF YOU WERE A $30,000 A YEAR EMPLOYEE, THE 5% PLUS THE 1500 WOULD BE A 10% SALARY INCREASE.
THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO HEAR.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE HIGHER UP THE PAY SCALE, YOU GO THE LOWER THE PERCENTAGE, BUT STILL MEANINGFUL.
THANK, THANK YOU, STEVEN, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH.
A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THE, UM, ON THE, ON THE NEW POSITIONS THAT YOU WENT OVER IN SLIDE 17 AND 18, THE, UH, THE PARALEGAL WITH THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY AND THE DEPUTY CLERK FOR THE CORPORATE COURT ARE THOSE, WERE THOSE VACANT POSITIONS BEING FILLED? ARE THESE STAFF ADDITIONS? SO THESE ARE NEW POSITIONS, RIGHT? DOES THE STATE HELP US OUT ANY WITH THE SALARY FOR THOSE POSITIONS? UM, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GET FINANCE TO CHECK BEHIND ME ON THIS, AND MAYBE WE CAN SEND YOU A MEMO.
THE, THE ANSWER IS, UM, THE STATE ONLY THROUGH THE COMP BOARD PROCESS FUNDS PART OF THE SALARY OF SOME POSITIONS, BUT THEY ONLY FUND A NUMBER OF PHYSICIANS.
THAT'S ALL YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS WOULD TELL YOU AS WELL, FULLY INADEQUATE.
SO I AM SURE WE'RE ALREADY OVER THE NUMBER OF PHYSICIANS THAT THE STATE PAYS FOR.
SO THIS WOULD BE A LOCALLY FUNDED POSITION.
AND IN WHAT I JUST SAID IS NOT CORRECT.
DID THE YOUTH SERVICES LIBRARIAN AT THE YORK TIME LIBRARY? I THINK THAT'S A NEW, NEW, NEW POSITION.
SO WHAT, WHAT KIND OF DUTIES? UM, MAYBE WE COULD GET, UM, MR. SMITH TO GIVE US A LITTLE, UH, MEMO ON THAT.
SO THE, UM, ONE OF THE SIGNATURE FEATURES OF THE, OF THE DESIGN OF THE NEW LIBRARY IS A, IS A MAJOR NEW CHILDREN'S AREA.
AND, UH, HE JUST FEELS LIKE WE CAN'T DO JUSTICE TO THE, TO THE PROGRAMMING, THE SPACE THAT WE'RE CREATING.
IF WE DON'T HAVE A PERSON, YOU KNOW, FOCUSED ON THAT, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON, ON LIBRARIES, BUT IT, IT WOULD BE ANALOGOUS TO THE KIND OF PROGRAM WE HAVE AT TAB.
AND NOW I'M ALSO CURIOUS WHEN YOU SAY YOUTH, ARE WE TALKING, YOU KNOW, PRE-TEENS TEENS, BOTH.
AND SO IF HE PUTS ON THAT VETERAN AND MAYBE HOW THAT CAN BE USED IN OTHER LIBRARIES AS WELL.
UM, IF THE NORMAL QUESTIONS I'M GOING TO OPEN UP FOR
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SUSAN'S COMMENT, NOBODY HAS SIGNED UP, BUT IF ANYBODY WOULD CARE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME, PLEASE STEP FORWARD.SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE CITIZENS' COMMENT PERIOD, AND I'LL TURN TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR
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FOR HIS REPORT, JIM.UM, AS MR. MORGAN INDICATED, UM, AND AS YOU PROBABLY ALREADY KNOW THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY ADJOURNED OVER THE WEEKEND, LEAVING A NUMBER OF BILLS, UH, UNADDRESSED OR, UM, OR UNRESOLVED.
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AND SO SOME CONFERENCE COMMITTEES HAD BEEN APPOINTED FOR SOME OF THEM AND, AND A FEW WERE ABLE TO BE TAKEN CARE OF BEFORE THE SESSION ENDED WITH SOME DOT OF THE GOVERNOR HAS INDICATED A DESIRE TO, TO CALL THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY BACK INTO A SPECIAL SESSION, BUT THERE'S NO DATE INDICATED AS TO WHEN THAT MIGHT BE.I, I GATHER IN THE SHORTER RATHER THAN THE LONGER TERM.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, JUST TO TOUCH BASE ON A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT HAD BEEN OF INTEREST TO THE BOARD, ONE IS THE GAS TAX.
THERE WERE THREE BILLS THAT EITHER WOULD HAVE SUSPENDED FOR A YEAR OR ROLLED BACK FOR A YEAR.
UM, THE GASOLINE TAXES, WHICH COULD HAVE IMPACTED, UM, UH, TRANSPORTATION FUNDING, NONE OF THOSE BILLS MADE IT THROUGH.
HOWEVER, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE GOVERNOR IS STILL INTERESTED IN DOING SOMETHING ABOUT GAS TAXES.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO KEEP OUR EYES OPEN AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN A SPECIAL SESSION, OR TO SEE IF SOMETHING HAPPENS WITH THE BUDGET, WHICH IS ALSO AN UNFINISHED TO SEE IF THEY ADDRESS IT THAT WAY.
UH, IN TERMS OF THE GROCERY TAX, THERE ARE TWO BILLS.
UM, UH, ONE OF WHICH, UH, WOULD CUT THE STATES GROCERY TAX, BUT ALLOW THE LOCALITIES TO RETAIN THEIR 1% OPTION AND ANOTHER BILL, WHICH WOULD ELIMINATE THAT 1% OPTION, BUT WOULD PROVIDE SOME KIND OF A SCHOOL SUPPLEMENT IT'S CALLED, UM, BECAUSE NEITHER OF THEM PASSED BOTH HOUSES IN THE SAME FORM.
THEY ARE BOTH IN, IN A CONFERENCE COMMITTEE AND THAT WAS NOT RESOLVED AS, AT THE TIME OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY ADJOURNED.
SO, I MEAN, THOSE ARE PROBABLY THE TWO ITEMS THE MOST, I WILL MENTION, HOWEVER, WITH RESPECT TO, UH, WALK THROUGH ALL TWO OTHER ITEMS, UM, NO MARIJUANA SALES BILL MADE IT THROUGH THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
I BELIEVE THAT MEANS THAT THERE WILL NOT BE A NEED, UM, FOR A LOCAL REFERENDUM ON WHETHER OR NOT SALES WOULD BE, UH, RETAIL SALES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED LOCALLY.
I'LL INVESTIGATE FURTHER AND SEE IF I'M CORRECT ON THAT.
AND THEN, UM, UH, MR. RON HAD ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, SENATE BILL 78, I THINK WAS YES.
BOARD OF EDUCATION DRIVER EDUCATION PROGRAMS, INCLUDING A MINIMUM 90 MINUTE PARENT STUDENT DRIVER EDUCATION COMPONENT IN ALL A DRIVER EDUCATION PROGRAMS STATEWIDE.
THERE ACTUALLY ALREADY HAS BEEN THAT REQUIREMENT IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA.
AND BY THE WAY, I STILL DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS, EXCEPT THAT EXCEPT THAT OUTSIDE OF NORTHERN VIRGINIA, THE PARTICIPATION BY PARENTS CAN BE REMOTE.
AND I DON'T THINK IT NECESSARILY HAS TO HAPPEN IN THE SCHOOL.
I THINK IT COULD HAPPEN IN AN INDEPENDENT DRIVER'S TRAINING PROGRAM, BUT I'LL TRY TO FIND MORE ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT YOU HAD ASKED ABOUT THAT BILL ONCE BEFORE AND IT, AND IT DID PASS.
SO, UH, WE'LL JUST HAVE TO FIND OUT, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S NOT REINVENTING THE WHEEL NORTHERN VIRGINIA HAS BEEN DOING IT HAD BEEN MANDATED FOR A FEW YEARS.
SO I'LL SEE IF I CAN GET MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
IF, IF YOUR MAIN INTEREST IN IT, I DON'T WANT TO GO DEEPER INTO A GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
LET'S, YOU KNOW, GET A SENSE OF WHERE THEY'RE HEADED WITH, UH, WITH POST ADJOURNMENT ACTIVITIES, UM, BEFORE WE KNOW EXACTLY WHERE WE STAND ON ANY OF THIS LEGISLATION.
SO UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND THAT'S MY REPORT, ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH.
ONE OF THE GOVERNORS, UH, PLATFORMS THAT, UH, GOVERNOR JENKIN YOUNG KING WAS, UH, HE INTENDED TO BAN ANY ASPECT OF CRITICAL RACE THEORY BEING TAUGHT IN OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE TWIN PILLARS OF, UH, UH, SOCIAL, EMOTIONAL LEARNING AND CULTURAL COMPETENCE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, AMANDA BATON, UH, OUR LOCAL DELEGATES HERE, UH, INTRODUCED A BILL SHE'S SHE SPONSORED.
AND A COUPLE OF HER DELEGATES SPONSORED, UH, IN THE HOUSE IS THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY, IF, YOU KNOW, IF IT WORKED ITS WAY THROUGH THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, UH, THE SENATE THAT PASSED THE GOVERNOR WOULD SIGN, YOU KNOW, THE STATUS OF THAT BILL, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS A DRAFT THAT AT ONE TIME WAS, WAS, UH, MADE AVAILABLE TO VARIOUS, UH, JURISDICTIONS IN THE COMMONWEALTH.
THERE WERE, THERE WERE AT LEAST TWO OF THOSE BILLS THAT I'M AWARE OF.
I DON'T BELIEVE EITHER ONE OF THEM PASS HOUSE BILL 7 87.
UM, WHAT IF, UM, UH, PROHIBITED, UM, DIVISIVE CONCEPTS AND THERE WAS A DEFINITION OF THAT, BUT IT, IT DIDN'T MAKE IT THROUGH THE HOUSE.
BILL 10 68 AGAIN HAD, UM, WOULD HAVE PROHIBITED OR RESTRICTED INHERENTLY DIVISIVE CONCEPTS.
THAT ONE, I THINK WAS JUST SIMPLY LEFT IN COMMITTEE.
THE FIRST ONE I TALKED ABOUT WAS, UM, PASSED THE HOUSE WITH SOME FLOOR AMENDMENTS, BUT THEN, UH, GOT TO SENATE EDUCATION AND WAS PASSED BY INDEFINITELY.
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THINK EITHER OF THOSE SPONSORED BY AMANDA BED, UH, NOT THESE TWO, I'M SORRY.I DID NOT BRING MY ENTIRE 80 SOME PAGE LIST OF BILLS WITH ME TO LOOK THROUGH THE WALL.
I'LL LOOK THROUGH, I'LL SEE IF I CAN FIND IF THERE WERE ANY OTHER BILLS THAT WE'VE EVER LOOKED AT THAT WENT IN THAT DIRECTION.
I'M NOT AWARE THAT ANY OF THEM PASSED.
HOWEVER, IF THEY PASS THE HOUSE AND I THINK THOSE BILLS ARE INTRODUCED TO THE, PRIMARILY IN THE HOUSE, THEY DIDN'T GET THROUGH THE SENATE.
AND YOU, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR REPORT,
[COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR REPORTS AND REQUESTS]
JUST ONE THING I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, THE FINANCE AND BUDGET STAFF THAT WORKED ON THIS BUDGET THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU HAD TONS OF WORK, GOES INTO IT, AS YOU ALL KNOW.SO THERESA, GREG, KIM AND AMY, THEY'RE ALL HERE.
I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY SCRUBBING ALL THE NUMBERS AND THAT CAN BE VERY, VERY TEDIOUS.
YOU'VE DONE A TERRIFIC JOB I SHOULD DO EVERY YEAR.
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MATTERS PRESENTED BY THE BOARD.ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING AT THIS POINT THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO QUICKLY DO BEFORE TOM? YEAH, JUST VERY QUICKLY.
UH, TODAY I HAD, UM, UH, PARTICIPATE AS ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE HAMPTON ROADS, UM, COUNTABILITY COMMISSION, UH, FINANCE COMMITTEE.
I SPENT THREE HOURS GOING THROUGH, UM, UH, PREPARATION FOR BUDGETS AND CONTRACTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND I WANTED TO, UH, KIND OF, UH, FOOT STOMP SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR JUST TALKED ABOUT.
AND WHEN I MADE THE COMMENT ABOUT THE MAGIC WAND, THE RESPONSE WAS, YES, THIS IS GOING TO BE HOW YOU, HOW YOU MANAGE THE MONEY.
AND, UH, UM, WITH THE HR TECH FINANCE, UH, OF THESE MAJOR MULTI-MILLION BILLION DOLLAR PROJECTS, A SMALL CHANGE IN THE TECHNIQUE REPRESENTS HUGE SAVINGS.
AND IF, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, UH, THEY HAVE A THING CALLED VAN, WHICH IS THE NOTE THAT YOU SEND OUT AND THEN PEOPLE BUY THEM.
UH, BUT THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE LIMITED TIME THEN THERE'S THING CALLED THE TIFIA LOAN, WHICH IS A FEDERAL PROGRAM.
AND USING JUST A SMALL, VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE CHANGE IN THAT, UH, CAN SAVE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
IT WAS JUST, IT WAS AMAZING HOW MUCH, AND YOU HAD THE SMART FOLKS, JUST LIKE WE HAVE THIS SIT THERE.
AND, UH, THAT, THAT WE, THAT WE HIRED JUST TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO TAKE, UM, HOW YOU MANAGE MONEY AND GET YOUR PROJECTS DONE.
AND IT WAS, IT WAS PRETTY AMAZING TO SEE THAT I THINK, UH, THAT WE SAW SOMETHING TO THE TUNE OF AROUND $350 MILLION SAVINGS, UH, BECAUSE OF THAT MANAGEMENT.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, FOLKS, SO IT'S VERY COMPLICATED, BUT IT'S VERY EFFECTIVE IN HOW YOU GET THINGS DONE.
UM, AND GOING TO, UH, I THINK SOMETHING WALT WAS HITTING ON.
AND, UH, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE BILLS IN, UH, THAT ARE, THAT ARE BEING PRESENTED, UH, IN OUR GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
AND I'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE WE IN HAMPTON ROADS, AND I SAW THIS IN THE COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO USE $93 MILLION, $93 MILLION, OKAY.
TO COVER, HELP COVER OUR BUDGET REQUIREMENTS THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE STATE STATE, WANTED TO TAKE THAT MONEY.
AND WE SAID, NO, WE JUSTIFIED IT.
AND WE REALLY JUSTIFIED IT DOWN TO JOHN TO EVERYTHING.
I MEAN, IT WAS PRETTY WELL, UH, THE MANDATED IN AND HOW WE GOT IT OR JUST FIGHT.
BUT THEN WE END UP STILL WITH $160 MILLION SHORT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAUSES A PROBLEM IS IF YOU'VE POLITICALLY, YOU GO UP TO THE STATE AND YOU GO, OH MAN, I AM GOING TO BE THE POWER OF THE PEOPLE.
AND I'M GOING TO START SAVING YOU TAXES OUT THERE, LEFT AND RIGHT NUMBER STARTED CUTTING THIS STUFF LEFT, AND RIGHT, GUESS WHAT, FOLKS, YOU DON'T GET ROADS, YOU DON'T GET, YOU DON'T GET THE SERVICES YOU ASK FOR.
AND SO WE GOT PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THAT.
AND IT WERE A COUPLE FOLKS FROM OUR REGION, HAMPTON ROSE, AND WENT UP THERE, NEWLY ELECTED WITH A BRIGHT IDEA THAT THEY WERE GOING TO ELIMINATE THE MEALS TAX.
THEY WERE GOING TO ELIMINATE GAS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND WE HAVE THESE HUGE PROGRAMS IN HAMPTON ROADS THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT WE'RE ON THE HOOK FOR IT.
IF YOU SCREW AROUND WITH THOSE THINGS, IT ENDS UP COSTING YOU IN THE LONG RUN.
AND I GET A LOT OF CITIZENS COMPLAINING ABOUT, WELL, WE DON'T GET OUR ROADS, OUR, OUR, OUR, UM, UH, THE SIDES OF THE STREETS MOWED AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
WELL, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA THAT SOMEBODY WANTED TO CUT TAXES.
SO WHAT DO WE END UP DOING IS THAT WE HERE IN, IN YOUR COUNTY HAVE TO BUY A CREW TO GO OUT AND DO THE JOB THAT VIDOT USED TO DO.
SO WE PAY CLOSE ATTENTION UP HERE TO THESE THINGS.
AND SO I GET PRETTY IRRITATED WHEN I HEAR THIS.
I'M NOT GONNA, I DON'T WANT IT I'M TO, I'M GOING TO SAVE YOUR TAX MONEY, BUT THEN TURN AROUND AND ASK THE DEMAND FOR GREATER SERVICES.
IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT, YOU'LL QUICKLY REAL
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QUICK.I JUST WANT TO SHARE THAT TOO.
THE, UM, THE YOU'LL PLANT, YOUR KIND OF YOUTH COMMISSION ARE, IS LOOKING FOR APPLICANTS.
AND THE DUE DATE FOR THAT IS MARCH 25TH AT 5:00 PM.
UM, FOR THE 20 22, 20 23 SESSION.
AND ALSO THAT FOR OUR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS FOR OUR COLLEGE GRADUATE, UH, THE 2022 GOVERNANCE FELLOWS PROGRAM, UH, THAT DUE DATE IS MARCH 27TH FOR ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO APPLY FOR THAT, OR KNOW SOMEBODY THAT WOULD BE A GOOD APPLICANT FOR THAT.
IT WILL BE A REPRESENTATIVE TO OUR COUNTY.
AND, UM, KEEP THAT IN MIND, PLEASE.
UH, REAL QUICK, MISS KNOLL, UH, WENT TO THE WILLIAMSBURG TOURISM COUNCIL MEETING TODAY.
GOOD NEWS ON THE TOURISM FRONT.
UH, WE STARTED $11 MILLION AD CAMPAIGN THIS FEBRUARY, AND WE'RE ALREADY SEEN IN THE, IN THE NORTHEAST MARKETS IN NEW YORK, WE'RE ALREADY SEEN AN INCREASE.
5% OF THE VISITORS ARE COMING FROM NEW YORK.
UH, BOSTON HAS SHOWN, UH, ALMOST A 3%, UH, INCREASE IN VISITORS COMING.
AND, UH, WE'RE GOING TO DO A VERY AGGRESSIVE AD CAM CAMPAIGN IN THE, THE BUS STATIONS, THE SUBWAYS UP THERE.
SO ALL GOOD NEWS, UH, LAST YEAR, AND THIS IS 2021 FOR EVERY DOLLAR WE SPENT ON TOURISM, THE TOURISM COUNCIL, $66 WAS BROUGHT TO THE REGION AND SPENDING.
SO THAT'S A RETURN ON INVESTMENT OUTSTANDINGLY.
SO, UH, GOOD THINGS ARE HAPPENING IN TOURISM.
UM, ROOM OCCUPANCY RATES ARE, ARE UP.
THE ROOM OCCUPANCY, UH, IS IMPROVING.
SO EVERYTHING'S LOOKING GOOD ON THE TOURISM FRONT.
LAST THING, PLEASE PRAY FOR THE PEOPLE.
YOU AND I'LL WAIT UNTIL AFTERWARDS BECAUSE
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[1 Application No. YVA-47-22, Robert Andrade. Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R22-47 to approve a Yorktown Village Activity application to authorize a tourist home within an existing single-family detached dwelling at 215 Nelson Street. ]
TIME FOR THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.AND THE FIRST ONE WE HAVE IS PROPOSED RESOLUTION OUR 22 DASH 47, UH, ROBERT ANDROIDS REQUEST TO APPROVE A TOURIST HOME AT TWO 50 NELSON STREET, EARL.
SO YES, UH, 2, 2, 1 5 NELSON STREET HERE IN THE YORKTOWN VILLAGE.
UM, THE BOARD HAS, UH, CREATED A SPECIAL ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE YORKTOWN AREA AND A RECOGNITION OF THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE.
AND, UM, THIS, THIS ORDINANCE REALLY DOESN'T HAVE ANY REFERENCE TO SPECIFIC LAND USES.
IT HAS A WIDE VARIETY OF USES FROM INSTITUTIONAL, UH, TO COMMERCIAL, UH, TO SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL TOWNHOMES, BED, AND BREAKFAST, UM, OFFICES AND APARTMENTS.
UH, THERE'S A WIDE VARIETY OF USES, AND THAT'S WHAT THE YORKTOWN VILLAGE ACTIVITY ZONE WAS CREATED FOR, UH, WAS FOR THIS VARIETY OF, UH, THIS MIXED USE VILLAGE.
UH, THIS IS THE PROPERTY SHOWN HERE IN RED.
UH, IT HAS TWO, UH, FIVE PROPERTIES AROUND IT, UH, THAT HAVE, UH, HOMES ON IT ACROSS NELSON STREET, TWO 14 AND 2 0 8.
THOSE ARE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE PROPERTIES.
AND THEN THERE ARE THREE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, TWO ON NELSON STREET AND ONE THAT FACES ONTO SMITH STREET, UH, BACK HERE, UH, THAT ARE ADJACENT TO IT.
THERE IS A VACANT LOT BEHIND IT WHERE THERE'S NO STRUCTURE CURRENTLY.
UH, THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE HOME.
IT'S A FOUR BEDROOM HOME, THE APPLICANT WISHES TO RENT OR, OR HAVE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL IN THE UPSTAIRS.
UH, SECOND FLOOR, TWO BEDROOMS. SO IT WOULD BE AT TWO BEDROOMS FOR GUESTS MAXIMUM.
UH, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED THIS SKETCH PLAN FOR THE SECOND FLOOR, WHICH SHOWS THE TWO BEDROOMS. THE ONLY ROOM AT THE UPSTAIRS THAT WOULDN'T BE USED BY THE GUESTS IS A PRIVATE OFFICE THAT HE WOULD USE.
UM, THE APPLICANT DOES STAY ON THE PROPERTY AND HIS INTENTION IS TO BE IN THE PROPERTY WHEN ALL THE RENTALS ARE GOING ON.
UM, AS I SAID, HE WOULD HAVE, UM, UP TO A MAXIMUM OF FOUR GUESTS AND A MINIMUM OF TWO NIGHTS STAY WITH, UH, UNLIMITED AFTER THAT.
SO HE COULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY GO TO LONG-TERM IF SOMEBODY WANTED IT.
UH, CURRENTLY THERE ARE FOUR SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THE YORKTOWN VILLAGE AREA.
THREE OF THOSE ARE BED AND BREAKFAST.
SO YOU HAVE THE MARLIN, WHICH IS THIS ONE HERE, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE YORK RIVER IN, WHICH IS IN THE WINDMILL POINT OF STATE TOWNHOMES, AND THEN THE HORNS WE HOUSE, WHICH IS CLOSER TO THE MONUMENT.
UH, THEY ONLY A SHORT, UH, UH, TOURIST HOME THAT'S BEEN APPROVED HAS BEEN THIS ONE HERE, WHICH IS THE YORKTOWN COTTAGES, WHICH IS THE ONLY THE OLD NANCY THOMAS GALLERY AREA.
UH, THOSE THERE'S TWO UNITS FOR A SHORT-TERM RENTAL THERE, TRAFFIC
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FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS IS A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.AS YOU CAN SEE, WE DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS, UH, THIS KIND OF USE WOULD OVERBURDEN NELSON STREET, UH, CARRIES CURRENTLY ABOUT 110 VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY.
UM, SO, BUT WE DON'T FEEL IT WOULD BE AN OVERBURDEN ON THAT STREET TO ADD THIS USE, UH, PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE TWO PARKING SPACES FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME USE AND THEN TWO FOR, UM, TWO PARKING SPACES, UH, FOR THE USE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TWO BEDROOMS. SO IT'D BE FOUR TOTAL.
THE APPLICANT HAS A TWO PARKING SPACES THAT ARE ON HIS PROPERTY.
I MEAN, IT IS RIGHT OFF THE STREET, BUT IT IS ON HIS PROPERTY, UH, SHOWN HERE WITH THE TWO CARS PARKED IN IT.
AND THEN THERE IS A SHARED DRIVEWAY ON THE FAR SIDE, UH, WHERE HE HAS TWO PARKING SPACES THAT ARE IN THE REAR PORTION OF THE PROPERTY ALSO.
SO HE WOULD HAVE, UH, BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE PARKING ISSUE.
UH, WE FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, YOUR ACCOUNT IS A SPECIAL PLACE.
UH, WE CREATED A SPECIAL DISTRICT TO PROTECT THE HISTORICAL NATURE, UM, AND DESIGNATED FOR, UH, USES THAT, UH, THE BOARD, OTHER THAN SINGLE FAMILY HOME, THE BOARD HAS TO REVIEW EVERY USE THAT COMES IN BEYOND A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
SO, UH, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING IT TONIGHT.
WE, UH, YORKTOWN AGAIN IS A SPECIAL PLACE.
IT'S, IT'S A MIXED USE VILLAGE.
THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT USES EVERYTHING FROM TOURISM, UH, TO, UH, COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL.
SO IT'S, IT'S A VERY MIXED USE AREA.
WE, WE DO NOT FEEL THAT THIS WOULD BE IMPACTED, UM, IN ANY ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
UM, THE GENTLEMAN COULD, YOU KNOW, ASK FOR, UH, TO BE ABLE TO, TO RENT IT TO A LONG-TERM RENTAL ALSO, WHICH WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME BEFORE YOU, BUT, YOU KNOW, HE'S STILL, HE COULD DO THAT IF HE, IF HE WANTED TO, UM, WE FEEL THAT YOUR OBJECTIVE FOR THE YORKTOWN AREA WAS TO ENHANCE TOURISM AND PROVIDE PROVIDING ANOTHER TOURIST HOME IN THIS AREA.
UH, WE DON'T FEEL THAT OVERBURDEN THE VILLAGE, ANY THING, WE STILL THINK IT STILL PRESERVES A RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER BECAUSE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME WOULD STILL HAVE TO LOOK LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
PLUS THE APPLICANT WOULD BE ON THE PROPERTY TO MANAGE ANY GUESTS BEHAVIOR THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
UM, THERE ARE ABOUT 174 HOUSING UNITS IN THE YORKTOWN VILLAGE AND WITH THE, THIS ADDITIONAL TOURISTS OR SHORT TERM RENTAL, WHICH WOULD BRING IT UP TO FIVE, IF IT WAS APPROVED, WE DON'T FEEL IT WOULD CHANGE THE WHOLE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF IT.
UM, SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND WE HAVE GIVEN YOU A PROPOSED RESOLUTION WITH OUR 2247.
UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID REVIEW THIS AT THEIR MARCH MEETING AND THEY ARE SORRY AT THEIR JANUARY MEETING.
AND THEY DID RECOMMEND DENIAL FOUR TO THREE.
UH, THERE WERE, WAS ONE SPEAKER WHO LIVED TWO DOORS DOWN WHO CAME AND SPOKE AND WAS WORRIED ABOUT THE, UM, THE, UH, TRANSITION OF YORKTOWN TO BECOMING MORE, TOO MANY TOO MANY SHORT TERM RENTALS.
UM, AND THEN THERE WERE TWO OTHER PEOPLE WHO SPOKE AGAINST IT ALSO.
UH, SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND DENIAL, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND HE'D BE HAPPY TO COME UP AND TALK CALLS.
UH, EARL, I NOTICED THAT IT IN THE RITA HAD, IT WAS A CONTRACT TO PURCHASE.
HAS JUST MR. ANDRE NOW OWN THE HOUSE.
HE, HE OWNS IT AS OF THIS YEAR, I BELIEVE.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES.
UH, MR. ANDERSON, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY.
I DROVE BY THERE, UH, THIS EVENING AND I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE BROWNS, UM, MARCIA BROWN, WHO USED TO LIVE NEXT DOOR.
UM, AND, UH, IT'S A SHARED DRIVEWAY.
HOW WILL THAT, WOULD THAT EFFECT THIS, OR ARE WE LOOKING AT A CAN OF WORMS WITH GUEST PARKING IN A SHARED DRIVEWAY OR? UM, WELL, THEY WOULDN'T PARK IN THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, THEY WOULD USE THE SHARED DRIVEWAY TO ACCESS, UH, BUT THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY PARKING IN THAT DRIVEWAY.
AND MR. ANDREW WILL BE ON SITE TO MONITOR GUESTS AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNOW WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE PARKING.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES.
YOU SAID WHERE ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO BE PARKING AND THEY SUPPOSED TO BE PARKING? I KNOW THIS IS OFF, OFF STREET, BUT WHETHER YOU'D BE PARKED BEHIND THE HOUSE OR THEY COULD PARK BEHIND THE HOUSE OR THEY CAN PARK ON THE, UH, THE PARALLEL TO NELSON STREET.
AND I WAS LOOKING IN THE, IN THE, THE PROPOSAL AND IT LOOKS LIKE IF ITEM TWO STIPULATES THAT THE OWNER WILL BE PRESENT AT ALL TIMES WHILE IT'S BEING RENTED AS A TOURIST HOME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WITH THE YES, STOP? UM, I'VE TRIED TO, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THESE THINGS, TOURIST HOMES, BECAUSE THERE'S NO CONSISTENCY IN ANYTHING I'VE SEEN AND ARGUMENTS ABOUT.
I MEAN, WE'VE, WE'VE NOW STARTING TO HEAR EVERYTHING.
UM, AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS TO YOU, HOW WOULD THIS BE DIFFERENT
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OTHER THAN IT'S A BUSINESS, IF THE PERSON LIVES IN THE HOUSE AND HAS A WHOLE BIG FAMILY THAT LIKES TO COME IN AND HEY, THIS IS YOUR CAMEL COME AND VISIT AND HANG OUT FOR A WEEK OR SO HOW'S THIS DIFFERENT, UH, THE TOURIST HOME WOULD BE THROUGHOUT THE, WHERE THAT EVENT MAY BE JUST BE ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR.BUT YES, I MEAN, OTHER THAN THAT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON WHETHER THEY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANT TO COME VISIT YORKTOWN WHEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, 28 DEGREES OUTSIDE.
I'M JUST KINDA CURIOUS OUT NOTE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS.
SO HAVE WE EVER COME UP WITH ANY IDEA ABOUT SATURATION POINT FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD OR FOR COMMUNITY? WE HAVE NOT.
WE'VE USED THIS, THE, UH, THE PROCESS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING TO KIND OF PULL THAT OUT AND LET YOU AS THE BOARD JUDGE, HOW MUCH IS TOO MUCH, UM, YOU KNOW, YORKTOWN IS A SPECIAL AREA.
SO WE FEEL LIKE IT IS AN AREA WHERE WE WOULD LIKE MORE, YOU KNOW, USES AND HAVE TOURISTS COME IN AND SPEND THEIR MONEY AT THE BEACH.
THANK YOU, MR. ANDRE, WOULD YOU CARE TO SPEAK? YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BUT TELL MY HEAD.
I'M ROBERT ANDRADE, A TWO 15 NELSON STREETS.
I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU GUYS IN QUITE A WHILE.
UM, MR. ANDERSON, UH, DID, UH, TALK ABOUT THE APPLICATION COMPLETELY.
UH, I AM THE APPLICANT FOR THE TOURIST HOME.
UM, MY PLAN IS TO RENT TO, UH, JUST A FAMILY, ONE, ONE PARTY, NOT MULTIPLE TYPES OF GUESTS, NOT DIFFERENT PARTIES.
UM, THIS APPLICATION DOES NOT INCLUDE ANYTHING ABOUT IT BEING A, A VENUE FOR PARTIES OR GATHERINGS.
IT'S MAINLY JUST A PLACE TO, FOR THEM TO STAY.
SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, WEDDINGS OR ANYTHING OR ANYTHING OF THOSE SORTS.
UM, I'VE HAD, UH, ROOMMATES IN THE PAST, UH, AND I'VE KIND OF TOLD THEM THAT WHAT'S WATT OF YORKTOWN AND, YOU KNOW, AND IN NO CIRCUMSTANCES IS MY PLACE, AN ANIMAL HOUSE OR ANYTHING CRAZY LIKE THAT.
UH, I HAVE HAD, UH, THREE LONG-TERM GUESTS.
UH, NOW I HAVE ONE THERE, UH, RIGHT NOW I'VE RECEIVED NO COMPLAINTS FROM ANY NEIGHBORS, UM, TO ADDRESS ANY PARKING CONCERNS.
IF THE BOARD DEEMS IT APPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO PARK IN MY DRIVEWAY AND NOT, NOT IN THE DRIVEWAY, BUT IN THE PARKING PAD, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DO THAT.
AND W THERE WILL BE NO STREET PARKING IF, IF THAT HELPS THE APPLICATION.
UM, YOU DID RECEIVE A, A LETTER FROM A NEIGHBOR OF MINE ON, UH, CHURCH STREET, WHO WAS WORRIED ABOUT YORKTOWN BECOMING, UM, POPULATED WITH TRANSIENT INDIVIDUALS.
AND THAT'S CURRENTLY WHAT WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW.
AND I WANT TO AVOID THAT AS WELL.
UM, GUESTS COMING INTO YORKTOWN, IT WOULD BE A COUPLE OF DAYS.
I WOULD IMAGINE IT WOULD BE NO MORE TRANSIENT THAN US GOING UP TO, TO WASHINGTON DC TO VISIT FOR, FOR A FEW DAYS.
UM, WE ALL KNOW, UM, THE, THE SAYING ABOUT FISH AND, AND COMPANY, YOU KNOW, LONG-TERM GUESTS, HE KIND OF, KIND OF WANT, I NEEDED SOME DOWNTIME FOR THAT.
AND I WOULD, UH, RATHER JUST WRENCH, YOU KNOW, SHORT SHORT-TERM AND THEN, UH, HAVE THEM BE ON THEIR MERRY WAY.
UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S CONCERN WAS, UH, PARKING, AND I THINK WE CAN ADDRESS THAT.
THEY CAN PARK WHERE I PARKED MY VEHICLES.
I'VE GOT ADDITIONAL PARKING IN MY BACKYARD AS WELL.
SO IF WE NEED TO PARK OFF THE STREET, UH, WE CAN, UH, ARRANGE THAT.
UM, ALSO, UH, I'D LIKE TO READ, UH, WHAT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, HIS RECOMMENDATION, AND I'VE GOT SOME COMMENTS WITH RESPECT TO THAT.
UH, THE BOARD HAS STRIVED TO PROTECT THE CHARACTER IN SIGNIFICANT, UH, HISTORY, UH, WITHIN YOUR TOWN BY DESIGNATING THE AREA AS A SPECIAL ZONING DISTRICT AND, UH, CREATING SPLITS, UH, SPECIFIC DESIGN GUIDELINES.
AND UNLIKE THIS APPLICATION OF THIS FOR SOME, THIS IS NOT IN A, UH, YOU KNOW, A NEIGHBORHOOD, A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S A KIND OF A MIXED USE.
THIS IS A MIXED USE VILLAGE WITHOUT COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL, UH, TOURISM-RELATED MUNICIPAL AND, UH, OTHER LAND USES.
AND A LOT OF THESE ARE ALL IN, WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER, UH, WITHIN THE VILLAGE.
UH, LET'S SEE, UH, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR DOESN'T BELIEVE THAT THIS A TWO BEDROOM TOURIST HOME WOULD ADVERSELY IMPACT ANY OF THE PROPERTIES IN, IN YORKTOWN.
I'VE BEEN HERE, I'VE LIVED IN THIS VILLAGE FOR 30 YEARS.
THAT'D BE NO UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES.
WOULD I DO ANYTHING TO, UM, DAMAGE OUR REPUTATION OR THE, THE CHARACTER OF YORKTOWN? CAUSE I, I OWN A HOME HERE ALSO ON THE PIECE OF PROPERTY HERE, VACANT LOT HERE, I CARE ABOUT YORKTOWN.
UM, UH, LET'S SEE, UH, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR GOES ON SAY THAT WHILE HE DOES UNDERSTAND THE, UH, CONCERN EXPRESSED
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ABOUT PRESERVING THE RESENT RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER.UH, HE DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT, UH, THIS IS THREATENED, UM, BY THIS APPLICATION.
AND, BUT IN THAT, BECAUSE I, I WILL BE ONSITE TO, UM, TO HANDLE ANY ISSUES I HAVE.
OF COURSE, I LIVE AT THE, AT THE RESIDENCE.
UM, THIS WOULD BE THE FIFTH STR IN THE VILLAGE.
THE MOSS COTTAGE WAS, UH, UH, AN STR AT ONE TIME.
THEY'RE NO LONGER USING IT AS THAT.
SO I WOULD BASICALLY TAKE THEIR PLACE AND IT WAS OKAY.
THEN I IMAGINED THE, UH, OKAY RIGHT NOW.
UM, MR. ANDERSON DID POINT OUT THERE'S 174 HOUSING UNITS.
UM, AND THEREFORE BASED ON THE CONSIDERATIONS, UH, CONCLUSIONS AS NOTED, UH, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR RECOMMENDS THAT THIS APPLICATION BE APPROVED.
UH, I KIND OF CONCUR WITH THAT.
UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THANK YOU.
ARE YOU PLANNING ON MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THE PROPERTY TO ACCOMMODATE THE BUSINESS, TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A RENTAL WHERE YOU GO TO KEEP IT? NO, IT'S GOING TO, IT'S MY HOME.
NO SIGNAGE OF ANY KIND IT'S GOING TO REMAIN AS IT IS AS A HOME.
NOT JUST NOT GONNA BE ANY NEON SIGN SAYING, YOU KNOW, WELCOME OR COME ON HERE.
THANK YOU, MS. MR. ANDRE REAL QUICK.
AND I SEE MR. BOWDEN HERE FROM THE HORNSBY, UH, HOUSE AND, UH, I BELIEVE, UH, SITTING NEXT TO HIM IS THE OWNER OF THE MORAL IN, UH, MIGHT BE WRONG.
UH, BUT, UH, I BELIEVE IT IS HIM.
UH, HOW WOULD YOU ADDRESS THE ISSUE THAT, UH, ESTABLISHED BED AND BREAKFAST IS IN THE VILLAGE? UH, WHO'VE PUT SUBSTANTIAL, UH, OUTLAYS OF CAPITAL OUT TO, UH, THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS, YOU COMING AND DOING IT PART-TIME OR, UH, RUNNING A COUPLE OF ROOMS FOR RENT.
HOW WOULD YOU SAY THAT THAT WOULD INTERFERE WITH THEIR BUSINESS OR WOULD IT COMPLIMENT, UH, DO YOU FEEL IT WILL COMPLIMENT THEIR BUSINESS? ACTUALLY, I FEEL IT WOULD COMPLIMENT AS AN OVERFLOW.
I LOOK ON AIRBNB AND VRVO, UM, AT ANY GIVEN TIME YOU CAN LOOK FOR, YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE DAY RENTAL AND NOTHING'S AVAILABLE.
UM, I GUESS THERE'S A DEMAND FOR IT.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD IMPACT THEM, THEM AT ALL.
THEY, THEY OFFER A DIFFERENT TYPE OF THING.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M DOING.
IF THERE AREN'T ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT NOBODY HAS SIGNED UP FOR IT.
SO I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I WENT TO THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD, UH, W I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE, UM, THE RIGHT NUMBER, UM, OR 2247, WHEN Y'ALL HAVE DISCUSSION.
CAN WE NOW HAVE DISCUSSION? WELL, NO, YOU MOVE IT.
AND THEN WE MAKE DISCUSSION ON YOUR MOTION.
UM, THE QUESTION I'VE GOT IS, UM, AGAIN, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND TRENDS, SOME PARAMETERS FOR US.
UM, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, UM, THE FIVE HOMES REPRESENT LESS THAN 3% OF THE TOTAL HOMES, UH, IN, UH, IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND I MEAN, NOT JUST HOMES, BUT THE BED AND BREAKFAST AND EVERYTHING, THOSE FIVE.
I BELIEVE IT'S HELL IT'S DEFINED.
SO I I'M JUST, I'M JUST BRINGING THIS UP AS A, AS A POINT OF REFERENCE.
I DON'T, IF WE GET TO, WHAT IS THE 20%, IS IT 10%? IT'S 15%.
I JUST DON'T KNOW SOMEWHERE NEAR, I GUESS WE'LL, WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
BUT, UH, I, MY SENSE IS THAT THIS IS NOT, I CAN UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY'S CONCERN, BUT REASON WOULD DICTATE TO ME THAT THERE'S NO, IF THERE'S NO EXTERNAL PROBLEM IMPACT.
CAUSE THE WHOLE, HE CAN'T TELL ME VISITORS HERE ARE UNUSUAL.
I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT YOU GOT, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A RACE DOWN HERE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE SHOW UP AND IN THE SUMMER YOU CAN ALREADY PARK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANYWHERE IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S DOPE.
EVERYBODY WANTS TO COME DOWN HERE.
SO WE BUILT IT FOR PEOPLE TO SHOW UP.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. ROAN IS TO ADOPT RESOLUTION R 22 DASH 47 TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED MR. ZAREMBA, LET ME EXPLAIN MY VOTE PER POINT.
I GO TO READ AHEAD A COUPLE OF TIMES SPECIFICALLY, THE COMMENTS MADE BY MR. HOLROYD, MS. , MR. AND MR. TITUS.
AND I BOUNCED THEM OFF THE, UH, COMMENTS BY MR. KING CRINER
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AND SMITH.AND IT SEEMED TO ME THE RATIONALE, THE LOGIC, UH, THAT MAYBE TOM YOU WERE LOOKING FOR, UH, WAS CLEARLY IN THE SIDE OF THE FORD NAYS.
AND AS A CONSEQUENCE, MY VOTE IS NO.
THAT WAS A LONG EXPLANATION, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS
[2 Application UP-979-22, Ernest Vawter. Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R22-48 to approve an application for a Special Use Permit to authorize the establishment of a tourist home in a portion of an existing dwelling at 103 Haymaker Place.]
PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 22 DASH 48.IT'S THE APPLICATION BY EARNEST FODDER FOR A TOURIST HOME AT 1 0 3 HAYMAKER PLACE.
THIS IS FOR A TOURIST HOME AND EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.
UM, I WOULD NOTE THAT, UM, THERE WAS A VIOLATION NOTICE ISSUED ON THIS.
THEY WERE ADVERTISING USING IT WITHOUT KNOWING, UM, THEY DISCONTINUE THE USE.
THEY, UM, MET WITH THE COMMISSIONER AND THE REVENUE WHO GOT THEMSELVES STRAIGHT ON ALL THEIR TAXES AND WHAT WAS NEEDED FOR THAT VICINITY MAP OF THE AREA.
THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY IS, UH, OUTLINED IN RED, THERE IN THE WILLIAMSBURG BLUFFS, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY, DETACHED DWELLINGS.
AND THEY ACTUALLY BACK UP TO OPEN SPACE AREA.
THAT'S THAT GOES WITH THE, UH, PART OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH IS CARVER GARDENS.
AND TO THE WEST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS COUNTRY CLUB ACRES.
THERE ARE SOME OTHER, UH, APPROVED SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THE AREA.
UM, THE RED IS THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY, UH, RECENTLY APPROVED AT 1445 PENNIMAN ROAD, UH, TOURIST HOMES, APPROXIMATELY 2.3, DRIVING MILES DISTANCE IN YOUR TERRORISTS ON DUNKIN DRIVE.
THERE'S ONE, APPROXIMATELY 2.3 MILES DRIVING DISTANCE.
AND THEN IN, UH, EDL AVENUE IN THE NELSON CIRCLE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, IS, UH, ONE THAT, THAT ONE'S BEEN THERE ABOUT FIVE YEARS, THE OTHERS ARE BRAND NEW.
AND THAT ONE IS APPROXIMATELY 2.7 MILES DISTANT ZONING MAP OF THE AREA IT'S LOCATED.
UH, SUBJECT PROPERTY IS IN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICT THAT GOES WITH THE WILLIAMSBURG BLUFFS, UH, DEVELOPMENT, UM, TO THE SOUTH ARE 13 HIGH DENSITY, SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL TO THE EAST ARE 20 MEDIUM DENSITY, SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL AND VACANT LAND TO THE BACK.
THEY ARE RESOURCE CONSERVATION THAT IS ON STATE AND COUNTY PROPERTY, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THE PROPERTY FOR HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
SO AN OVERALL AERIAL OF THE SITE, AGAIN, THE, UH, APPLICANT'S PROPERTY IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.
UH, THE BIG OPEN HERE AREA HERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF PARCHMENT BOULEVARD IS THE, UH, RECREATION AREA FOR THE SUBDIVISION.
UM, GOOD SIZE DRIVEWAY IN A TWO CAR GARAGE IN THERE.
SO THERE'S MORE THAN ENOUGH ROOM TO ACCOMMODATE THE REQUIRED THREE PARKING SPACES AND SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE AREA.
THIS IS, UM, APPLICANT'S PROPERTY ON THE LEFT, LOOKING DOWN HAYMAKER THAT ENDS IN A CUL-DE-SAC JUST BEYOND THE CURVE THERE LOOKING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION AT THE INTERSECTION WITH PARCHMENT STRAIGHT ACROSS THE STREET AND THE APPLICANTS, UH, PROPERTIES ON THE RIGHT ACCESS TO THE TOUR STONE AREA, UH, WHICH IS THE BASEMENT OF THE HOME WOULD BE THROUGH THAT GATE.
A GATE IN THE LITTLE FENCE YOU SEE HERE, AND FROM THE FRONT APPLICANTS HOUSES ON THE LEFT, THIS IS THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
THEY, I SAID THE TOURIST HOME WOULD BE IN THE BASEMENT LEVEL.
YOU'LL SEE TWO SETS OF DOORS THERE.
UM, BOTH OF THOSE OPEN UP INTO THE TOURIST HOME AREA.
THIS IS LOOKING AT IT FROM THE OTHER DIRECTION AND FACING THE BACK BACK OF THE HOUSES THERE ALONG, UM, PARCHMAN BOULEVARD AND PART OF THE OPEN SPACE.
AND THEN, UM, REMAINING OPEN SPACE FOR THE HOA AND JUST A SKETCH PLAN SHOWING WHERE THE HOUSE SITS ON THE PROPERTY.
IT'S THE APPLICANTS FLOOR PLAN.
SO APPROXIMATELY 1045 SQUARE FEET, UM, TOWARDS TOME AREA MARION, A FINISHED BASEMENT, UM, THE TWO DOORWAYS YOU SAW
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ON THE PHOTOGRAPH OF THE TWO GREEN TRIANGLES HERE, THERE'S ONE BEDROOM TO THE LEFT, HIGHLIGHTED IN PURPLE AND THEN A LIVING ROOM AREA.SO THAT COULD BE USED AS A SECOND, A SECOND, UM, SLEEPING AREA, A FULL BATH THERE IN BLOOM, AND THEN AN OPEN POOL TABLE AREAS FIRST COME IN, THERE IS NO KITCHEN, BUT THEY DO HAVE A MICROWAVE AND A SMALL REFRIGERATOR.
AS YOU COME IN THE FRONT DOOR IN SUMMARY, A WOULD BE A TOURIST HOME RENTAL AND A FINISHED BASEMENT MAXIMUM OF FOUR GUESTS AT ANY ONE TIME.
THE APPLICANT AND OWNER WOULD BE IN RESIDENCE AT ALL TIMES DURING THE RENTALS, THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS INDICATES A VEHICLE TRIPS FOR A SINGLE FAMILY, DETACHED DWELLING AT 9.4 AVERAGE TRIPS.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR, FOR A TOURIST HOME.
CLOSEST THING WOULD BE THE TIMESHARE.
SO THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 8.6 TRIPS AND A OCCUPIED HOTEL ROOM WOULD BE 4.4.
SO STAFF DOESN'T FEEL THAT THIS WOULD CAUSE ANY ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC, A HAYMAKER PLACE, ACCORDING TO V DOT ESTIMATES TAKES, UH, 200 ESTIMATED DAILY TRIPS AND PARCHMENT BOULEVARD IS 490.
OUR PROPOSED APPROVAL CONDITIONS.
IT WOULD BE OPERATE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE APPLICANT'S NARRATIVE MAXIMUM OF FOUR GUESTS, OWNERS AND RESIDENTS DURING RENTALS LAYOUT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE APPLICANT'S FLOOR PLAN.
AND THE SUP WOULD EXPIRE UPON CHANGE AND OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THIS APPROVAL WOULD NOT SUPERSEDE ANY PRIVATE COVENANTS THAT MAY BE ON THE PROPERTY, INCLUDING CONCLUSION.
WE FEEL THE OPERATIONS IS CONSISTENT WITH PREVIOUSLY APPROVED TOURS HOMES.
THERE WOULD BE SOMEONE THERE IN RESIDENTS DURING THE RENTAL TIMES WITH THE APPROVAL CONDITIONS, WE DON'T FEEL IT WOULD BE ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS TO THE SURROUNDING AREA.
PLANNING COMMISSION HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL IN ACCORDANCE WITH RESOLUTION OUR 22 DASH 48.
I WOULD NOTE THERE WERE THREE SUPPORT LETTERS, UM, THAT WERE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL.
UM, DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THERE WAS ONE CITIZEN AT, UH, VOICED CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROXIMITY OF THE TOURIST HOME TO THE RECREATION AREA AND THAT, UM, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT SPEEDING ON PARCHMENT BOULEVARD WITH THAT.
I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE AS WELL.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. PARKER? YES.
UM, I'M STRUGGLING TO FIND THE RESOLUTION WHERE IT STIPULATES THAT THE HOMEOWNERS WILL BE ONSITE WHENEVER IT'S BEING RENTED OUT.
AM I MISSING THAT SOMEWHERE? WE CONDITIONED IT TO THE, UH, APPLICANTS, THE APPLICANT'S DESCRIPTION, THEIR NARRATIVE DESCRIPTION OF THE NARRATIVE.
SO ANYTHING IN THE NARRATIVE WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY.
AND THE OTHER THING I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP, A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT PARKING, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE TWO VEHICLES NOW.
UM, LOOKING AT THE AREA, IS THERE REALLY ROOM FOR TWO MORE VEHICLES? IF TWO OTHER FAMILIES COME IN WITHOUT HAVING TO GET ON THE STREET, IT'S A TWO CAR GARAGE.
SO YOU COUNT TWO SPOTS IN THE GARAGE.
YEAH, BECAUSE THAT IS THOSE, THOSE TWO SPOTS USABLE IN THE GARAGE.
I GOT A TWO CAR GARAGE TWO, AND YOU'RE NOT GIVING A, UH, A TALKER TOY IN THERE.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE DOESN'T HAVE ANY RESTRICTIONS OR, OR A ALL RIGHT.
SO STILL MY QUESTION REMAINS IS THERE, IS THERE ROOM FOR FOUR V FOUR VEHICLES WITH PARKING ON THE STREET? YES.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS MR. PARKER? I HAVE A BUSINESS IN THE COUNTY AND, UH, I AM, UH, RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING A NUMBER OF TAXES.
ONE IS THE DEVIL INCARNATE CALLED THE B POLL TAX, WHICH IS BASED ON THE GROSS SALES OF MY BUSINESS.
I ALSO PAY INCOME TAX AND HUSTLE PAY PROPERTY TAX BECAUSE OF THE BUILDING THAT I OWN, WHERE MY BUSINESS OPERATES.
CAN YOU TELL, I SHOULD HAVE ASKED THIS QUESTION FOR THE FIRST APPLICANT AS WELL, BUT CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE HAS PUT IN PLACE WITH EVER INCREASING NUMBER OF SHORT TERM RENTALS BUSINESSES? RIGHT? THEIR BUSINESSES ARE THE APPROPRIATE TAXES BEING PAID BY THESE BUSINESSES WHO RUN THESE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
NOW THAT MAY BE UNFAIR TO, FOR YOU.
MAYBE MR. CROW, UH, MR. KRAUSE HAS THAT ANSWER.
UH, BUT THE POINT OF VIEW, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER, WHAT I LIKE COMING OUT OF TODAY IS I LIKE TO COMMISSION REVENUE TO PROVIDE THIS BOARD, UH, WITH SOME UNDERSTANDING AS TO HOW WITH THIS EVER-INCREASING NUMBER OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS,
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HOW WE'RE COLLECTING THE INCOME THAT WE SHOULD BE COLLECTING TO HELP COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR MEET OUR BUDGET REQUIREMENTS.Y'ALL A LITTLE ADOPT EVERY A BUCK HERE, A BUCK HERE, A BUCK HERE, AND PRETTY SOON, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REAL MONEY, RIGHT? SO PLEASE HAVE, IF YOU HAVE AN ANSWER, ANSWER IT, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU DO.
IF I COULD COMMENT, I THINK WE SHOULD ASK THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE THERE TO GIVE US A LITTLE DEMO ON THAT.
WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS, I THINK THERE'S ABOUT 15 OF THESE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, AND IT IS NOT AT THIS TIME A SIGNIFICANT SOURCE OF REVENUE, BUT THE COMMISSIONER DOES HAVE A PROCESS WHERE THEY BASICALLY SCAN A WEBSITES AND IDENTIFY PEOPLE THAT ARE OPERATING THESE, AND THEN THEY BASICALLY CATCH THEM AND THEN THEY BRING THEM INTO COMPLIANCE, OR IF THEY DON'T, THEY CAN'T APPLY.
UH, SO IT'S A BUSINESS LICENSE AND I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF LODGING TAX, UH, BUT IN THE SCHEME OF OUR REVENUE, IT'S FAIRLY MODEST.
SO IF SHE CAN GIVE US SOME SOMETHING, EITHER PRESENTATION OR WRITING, I'D APPRECIATE IT.
I THINK THE BOARD WOULD APPRECIATE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MS. PARKER, DID THE APPLICANT CARE TO SPEAK? YOU HAVE 10 MINUTES.
YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE TO USE IT ALL.
AND HOPEFULLY YOU'VE SEEN SOME OF THE NOTES FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION TOO AS WELL.
SO WE WON'T TAKE UP TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME.
FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT.
UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WE'VE BEEN MARRIED FOR 25 YEARS.
UH, THE ONE TIME WE WERE AWAY FROM THE SARAH'S WHEN WE, UH, MOVED DOWN TO FLORIDA FOR A SHORT TIME, UH, ONCE WE STARTED HAVING CHILDREN, WE WANTED TO GET BACK TO THIS AREA BECAUSE THIS IS HOME FOR US.
UM, WE LIVE IN YORK COUNTY, OUR KIDS WENT TO WALLER MILL, UH, QUEENS LAKE AND BRUTON HIGH SCHOOL.
UH, MY DAUGHTER JUST GRADUATED COLLEGE.
MY SON IS IN COLLEGE, UH, AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THIS AREA OFF TO VISITORS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT BE FROM NEW YORK OR BOSTON.
AND WHAT HAVE YOU COME DOWN TO THE AREA? UM, WE'VE LOVED THIS AREA FOR SO LONG.
UH, OUR BASEMENT, UM, HAS BEEN SUCH A SOURCE OF SO MANY MEMORIES FOR US AS A FAMILY OVER THE YEARS.
UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT AREA FOR YOUNGER FAMILIES TO COME AND SHOW OFF THIS AREA FOR THEM.
IT WAS DEFINITELY THE PLACE WHERE EVERYONE HAD FUN.
IN FACT, I FEEL LIKE ALL THE KIDS' FRIENDS WERE ALWAYS THERE, WHICH IS WHY WE DID A TOTAL RENOVATION OF THE PLACE AND, AND IT REALLY FEELS, UM, IT JUST, IT FEELS REALLY NICE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE PEOPLE COME AND VISIT AND ENJOY.
AND SO FAR BEFORE WE, UM, GOT OUR ACT TOGETHER AND GOT EVERYTHING IN PLACE, THE PEOPLE THAT INQUIRED WERE THE PEOPLE THAT WERE INQUIRING WAS ALL EITHER A YOUNG COUPLES OR A COUPLE WITH MAYBE TWO SMALL KIDS.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE CATERING TO.
UM, WE DON'T, WE'RE REALLY NOT INTERESTED IN LONG-TERM RENTALS.
WE'RE LOOKING AT PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO ENJOY IT FOR THE WEEKEND AND, UM, ENJOY THE AREA.
YEAH, WE DO LIVE AT THE HOUSE, SO WE'LL ALWAYS BE THERE, UH, WHEN WE HAVE RENTALS.
UM, AND IT'S BEEN QUITE, QUITE REWARDING THE FEW TIMES THAT WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU MENTIONED THE POOL TABLE, UM, EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT'S COME STATE HAS BEEN PLAYING POOL AND WE JUST REALLY ENJOYED, YOU CAN HEAR IT FROM DOWN BELOW.
UH, WE DON'T INTERACT WITH THE FOLKS.
UH, WE'VE MADE SURE, UH, SAFETIES ARE IN PLACE.
UH, WE HAVE A KEYLESS ENTRY FOR THE OUTSIDE, UH, MOTION LIGHTS ALL AROUND THE YARD FOR THEM.
UM, WE HAVE UPSTAIRS LOCK FOR THE DOOR, SO EVERYONE IS PROTECTED AND SAFE.
UH, BUT IT'S JUST BEEN VERY REWARDING TO, TO HEAR AND JUST KIND OF EXPERIENCED THAT WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE KIDS WERE LITTLE AGAIN.
SO, AND ALSO, UM, IN CASE YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF AIRBNB, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE PLANNED TO USE, HAS A DIFFERENT POLICIES YOU CAN CHOOSE FROM.
AND WE CHOSE A VERY STRICT POLICY.
UM, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO STAY IN OUR SPACE UNLESS WE PREVIEW, AND YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO STAY IN OUR SPACE UNLESS YOU HAVE POSITIVE REVIEWS ALREADY FROM OTHER HOSTS.
SO, UM, WE DON'T FEEL THAT WE DON'T EVEN, WE WOULDN'T HAVE RATHER JUST BE SAFE WHEN IT COMES TO THAT.
ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANTS? ONE, IT'S JUST A QUESTION AS THE PREVIOUS APPLICANT, ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE PROPERTY, TO ACCOMMODATE THE BUSINESS, TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE HOME THAN IT IS TODAY? NO, SIR.
THE ONLY CHANGES WE MADE WERE THE INSIDE AND IT WAS JUST, IT NEEDED A WELL-DESERVED, UH, SPRING CLEANING A WHILE BACK.
SO NEW CARPET, NEW EVERYTHING, NO CHANGES TO THE OUTSIDE NOW.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO CARES TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE? NOBODY HAS SIGNED UP.
SO I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL ASK THIS BOARD WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IF THERE IS ANYTHING, OTHERWISE, PLEASE MOVE IT.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. SHEPHERD IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION OUR 22 DASH 48 TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED MR. GREEN, MR. ROAN.
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MRS. NOLE.[3 Application UP-984-22, Locke Supply Company. Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R22-50 to approve an application for a Special Use Permit to authorize the establishment of a wholesale trade establishment with outside storage at 118 Waller Mill Road.]
PUBLIC HEARING IS TO CONSIDER THE ADOPTION OF PROPOSED RESOLUTION, OUR 22 DASH 50, UH, LOCK SUPPLY COMPANY TO APPROVE A WHOLESALE TRAIL, THIS ESTABLISHMENT WITH OUTSIDE STORAGE.MADAM CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UH, THIS APPLICATION IS FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE A WHOLESALE TRADE ESTABLISHMENT WITHOUT DOOR STORAGE.
THE PROPERTY IS THE A 16.5 ACRE KINGSGATE GREEN SHOPPING CENTER ON THE CORNER OF WALNUT MILL ROAD AND MORTON ROAD IN THE UPPER COUNTY, UH, FORMERLY OCCUPIED BY BIG KMART.
UM, THE KMART SPACE OR TWO-THIRDS OF THE KMART SPACE HAVE SINCE BEEN, UH, FILLED WITH, UH, BARGAIN OUTLET, UH, UH, OLLIE'S BARGAIN OUTLET AND THE ASHLEY HOME STORE.
SO THIS WOULD BE THE REMAINING ABOUT 37,000 SQUARE FEET OF SPACE.
AND THEN, UH, THAT BUILDING BE CLOSE TO, UH, FULLY OCCUPIED.
THE KMART SPACE WOULD BE ENTIRELY OCCUPIED.
PROPERTY IS ZONED GENERAL BUSINESS AS IS MOST OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY, WHICH CONSISTS OF TIMESHARES MINIATURE GOLF COURSE, UM, HOTEL, UH, THE, THE, UH, FORMER DAIRY QUEEN, WHICH WAS RECENTLY APPROVED FOR A CAR RENTAL ESTABLISHMENT, AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET OFFICE BUILDING AND, UM, UH, ANOTHER HOTEL, THE, UM, UH, I SAID IT'S ABOUT A 16 AND A HALF ACRE PARCEL, UH, 37,000 SQUARE FEET.
UH, W THE, UH, OUTDOOR STORAGE IS REALLY WHAT'S DRIVING THIS APPLICATION.
UH, IN FACT, IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE OUTDOOR STORAGE, UH, THIS WOULD BE ISSUES WOULD BE PERMITTED AS A MATTER OF RIGHT, BUT BECAUSE I DO WANT TO HAVE A STORAGE OF GOODS, UH, OUTSIDE, IT DOES REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
IN THIS CASE, THEY WOULD BE USING THE FORMER GARDEN SHOP, UH, THAT, UH, FORMER KMART GARDEN SHOP ABOUT 9,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, BRICK, ENCLOSED, A STORAGE YARD IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
AND I'LL SHOW YOU A PICTURE IN A FEW MINUTES OR IN A SECOND HERE.
UM, AND OKAY, SO HERE'S THE AERIAL VIEW? THE OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA IS OUTLINED IN RED, UH, FACING THE PARKING LOT.
UM, HERE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SHOPPING CENTER, THE, FROM A MORE TOWN ROAD, AND THERE'S A, UH, VIEW FROM THE FRONT.
YOU CAN SEE THE BRICK ENCLOSED OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA.
AND, UH, ANOTHER VIEW THERE IS A GATE ABOUT EIGHT FEET WIDE, UH, IN FRONT, UH, WHICH IS, UH, IT'S NOT, UH, IT'S NOT OPAQUE.
SO, UH, BUT THE REST OF THE STORAGE YARD WOULD BE, UH, COMPLETELY ENCLOSED.
UH, IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE RECENTLY, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT A SECTION OF THAT BRICK WALL HAS BEEN TAKEN DOWN.
UH, THE, UH, THERE IS AN OPEN, UH, A 22 FOOT GATE THAT'S BEING INSTALLED, UH, UH, THAT WILL BE, UH, FULLY OPAQUE.
AND THAT'S A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
UH, I DIDN'T MENTION THE APPLICANT LOCK SUPPLY COMPANY, UH, DEALS WITH, UH, IS A WHOLESALE DISTRIBUTOR OF HPAC PLUMBING AND ELECTRICAL, UH, EQUIPMENT.
SO SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY SELL ARE QUITE LARGE, YOU'VE GOT A PLUMBING PIPE AND THINGS LIKE THAT OUT THERE IN THE STORAGE YARD.
SO THEY DO NEED THAT WIDER GATE, UH, ON OCCASION FOR, UH, OFFLOADING OR LOADING, UH, UH, GOODS ONTO, UH, VEHICLES.
UH, BUT THE GATE WILL BE, UH, FULLY OPAQUE.
THE, THE EXISTING GATE IS GOING TO REMAIN LOCKED.
UH, THERE ARE NO FORKLIFTS, UH, TO BE STORED OUTSIDE.
THEY WILL ALL BE STORED INSIDE.
IT IS A LARGE BUILDING, WAS VERY LARGE CEILINGS.
UH, THE BRICK WALLS ARE ABOUT EIGHT FEET HIGH, AND THERE IS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT SAYS NOTHING STORED IN THAT, UH, ENCLOSURE CAN BE ABOVE EIGHT FEET AND A FEW, UH, ELEVATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED SHOWING, UH, HOW THE, UH, PROPERTY WILL LOOK, UH, THEY WILL BE INSTALLING SOME, UH, CUSTOMER DOORS ON THE, UH, END OF THE BUILDING FACING MORE TOWN ROAD.
UH, YOU CAN SEE HERE, I MENTIONED THE, UH, 22 FOOT GATE THAT, UH, IS GOING TO BE INSTALLED, UH, IN THE, UH, STORAGE YARD.
AND, UH, JUST KNOW THAT IF YOU GET A LITTLE CLOSER, UH, CLOSER VIEW OF THAT, THE, UH, STORAGE YARD AND THE, UH, THE GATE, AND, UH, THAT'S THE VIEW OF THE STORAGE YARD FROM THE FRONT.
UM, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO FILL THIS SPACE, PUT IT TO GOOD USE AND TO DO IT IN THE MANNER THAT WON'T HAVE ANY ADVERSE
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IMPACTS ON ANY OF THE SURROUNDING BUSINESSES.UH, AS I SAID, THE OUTDOOR STORAGE WILL BE ALMOST FULLY SCREENED BY THE BRICK WALLS AND THE OPAQUE GATE.
ALSO WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS IN OUR 22 DASH 50 PLANNING COMMISSION CONSIDERED THE APPLICATION BACK ON FEBRUARY 9TH AND VOTED SIX, NOTHING TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
UM, MR. MIKE BORNE FROM LOCK SUPPLY IS HERE TO SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF.
I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE FOR ME AT THIS TIME.
IT SAID ALMOST ALL THAT YOU WOULD NOT SEE THROUGH.
YOU'VE GOT ONE GATE IS GOING TO BE OPAQUE.
WHAT ABOUT THE ENTRANCE THAT'S ALREADY THERE? THAT IS GOING TO BE A PAGE AS WELL.
THERE ARE NO CHANGES PLANNED FOR THAT EXISTING GATE.
THAT'S ABOUT EIGHT FOOT WIDE THAT, THAT, UH, THAT, UH, FACES THAT WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
WELL, THEY HAVE PLANNED TO KEEP THAT GATE LOCKED, BUT IT'S VISIBLE, VISIBLE.
YEAH, YOU DO HAVE THAT SHORT, UH, EIGHT FOOT, UH, UH, SEGMENT WHERE PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK IN AND SEE WHATEVER IS STORED OUT.
THERE'S THERE'S OUTDOOR STORAGE.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO NOT BE A VISIBLE, AM I CORRECT OR WRONG? IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT INVISIBLE.
IT HAS TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO BE GOOD SCREEN.
I SEE ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, TOM.
SO I KNOW WE HAVE A WALMART, UM, ON THE CORNER OF 17 AND VICTORY, AND, UH, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE DEFINITION OF OUTSIDE MEANS IT'S JUST NOT COVERED.
YOU CAN'T HAVE A WALL IT'S JUST NOT COVERED.
W WALMART HAD TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS ACTUALLY TO GET THAT OUTDOOR STORAGE.
THEY ALSO HAVE, THEY HAVE STORAGE UNCOVERED, A NON UNCOVER, BUT I'M WALLED OR NOT SHIELDED OFF ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RIGHT.
WALMART IS A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT.
THEY'RE NOT A WHOLESALE TRADE ESTABLISHMENT, SO THEY UNDER COVER.
BUT SO THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WHOLESALE AND RETAIL, UH, IN TERMS OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UM, WELL, THE RULES FOR, OUT FOR, UH, OUTDOOR STORAGE, UH, IN CONNECTION WITH A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT HAS TO MEET CERTAIN STANDARDS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
THERE'S NOT A USE PERMIT REQUIREMENT, OR THERE ARE CERTAIN STANDARDS FOR WHERE IT CAN BE AND HOW IT CAN BE SCREENED THAT ARE SET FORTH IN WHOLESALE OR RETAIL FOR RETAIL.
WHAT ABOUT WHOLESALE FOR WHOLESALE? YOU'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS, ESPECIALLY IN AND SHE'S WITH HIM.
SO I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS FOR RETAIL, IT'S A SITE PLAN, ADMINISTRATIVE ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRATION.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S FOR WHOLESALE.
IT COMES TO THE BOARD FOR A USE PERMIT.
SO I, IF I GO DOWN 17, UH, WE LOOK AT ACE HARDWARE ON THE OUTSIDE.
THEY HAVE, UH, NOW ACE HARDWARE, IT'S A HARDWARE STORE AND IT HAS EXTERNAL, UH, GOODS OUTSIDE DISPLAYED.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU CAN SEE IN THROUGH THE, UM, THROUGH THEIR DRIVE IN, THEY HAVE THEIR GRAVEL AND VARIOUS THINGS.
SO WE HAVE ANY OTHER OUTSIDE STORAGE, ESPECIALLY UP THERE IN GOD'S COUNTRY.
AGAIN, THAT'S A RETAIL SEVEN TRACTOR SUPPLY COMPANY IS ANOTHER ONE.
AND THAT CAME THROUGH THE USE PERMIT PROCESS.
AND THEY'VE GOT THAT FENCED AREA OUT THERE, BUT YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT OPAQUE.
SO BASICALLY WHAT I'M SAYING HERE IS THAT THIS IS NOT REALLY AN UNUSUAL SITUATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MS. JUST ONE, THE, THE SPACE INSIDE, NOT THE OUTSIDE STORAGE AREA, DOES THIS COMPANY OCCUPY THE ENTIRE INTERIOR THAT THE PREVIOUS RETAIL STORE USED TO OCCUPY? NO.
THE SPACE THAT WAS OCCUPIED BY KMART ABOUT A THIRD OF IT IS NOW OCCUPIED BY OLLIE'S BARGAIN OUTLET.
AND ABOUT A THIRD OF IT IS OCCUPIED BY THE ASHLEY HOME STORE.
AND THEY'RE MAKING NICE RENOVATIONS TO THE BUILDING, UH, IN CONNECTION WITH THOSE BITS.
SO THIS WOULD BE THE LIGHT, THE THIRD ON THE END, ON THE SOUTHERN END OF THE BUILDING ABOUT 37,000 SQUARE FEET THAT LOCK SUPPLY WOULD BE, UH, OCCUPYING AND ANY IDEA OF WHAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE LEFT TO BE OCCUPIED BECAUSE OF THE VACANCY OF THAT FRIT MALL.
UH, WELL, I BELIEVE ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE REPRESENTATIVES WHO SPOKE AT PLANNING COMMISSION SAID THAT THEY WERE CLOSE TO, I THINK, 80% OCCUPANCY FOR THE ENTIRE SHOPPING CENTER.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO ONE OF THE PICTURES OF THE, MAYBE NOT QUITE THE OVERHEAD, BUT SO THAT I CAN, YOU CAN LOOK OVER THE WALLS INTO, YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD ONE THERE.
SO I THINK THE RESOLUTION SAYS NO STORAGE UNDER THAT ON IN, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
UNLESS THERE WAS, UNLESS THERE WAS FIRE, THERE'S A
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CORRECT.AND ALSO NO STORAGE OUTSIDE OF HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, AND THEY'VE INDICATED THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY HAZARDOUS.
THOSE CAME FROM OUR FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY DEPARTMENTS, WHAT THERE MIGHT BE, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE ANY.
THANK YOU, MR. CROSS, WOULD THE APPLICANT CARE TO SPEAK? YOU HAVE 10 MINUTES, BUT YOU DON'T NEED TO TAKE IT ALL ABOUT 65 SLIDES.
MIKE BORN, UM, I'M THE, UH, PLEASE, EXCUSE ME, YOUR ADDRESS, UH, TO A B 84TH STREET IN VIRGINIA BEACH.
UM, SO I GET TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT ONE OF MY FAVORITE SUBJECTS AS LOCK SUPPLY.
UM, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, YOU GUYS ARE ASKING A LOT OF REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW WE THESE FACILITIES, AND I WANT TO SHOW YOU SOME OF OUR, OUR, OUR CURRENT FACILITIES AND KIND OF WHERE WE'VE COME FROM THE PAST AND WHAT WE INTEND TO DO WITH THIS, THIS LOCATION, THIS LOCATION YOU SEE RIGHT HERE IS IN COLONIAL HEIGHTS, VIRGINIA, UH, IS SORT OF VERY SIMILAR TYPE OF, UH, UH, STRIP SHOPPING CENTER.
THERE'S IT, THERE'S ACTUALLY A PUBLIX, A GROCERY STORE ON ONE END, AND WE OCCUPIED THE OTHER END OF THAT, THAT, UH, UNIT.
UH, SO THERE'S THAT, AND THIS IS KIND OF OUR NEW LOOK AND YOU'LL SEE WHERE WE KIND OF TAKEN THIS.
UH, SO THAT'S ANOTHER VIEW OF THE FRONT OF THAT BUILDING.
SO THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE MAIN ROAD, UH, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL, HEATING, COOLING, UH, HPAC, THAT'S KIND OF OUR, OUR THING.
YOU'LL LIKE THIS, WE, WE WE'LL PROBABLY DO $6 MILLION IN REVENUE AT MINIMUM.
AND WE'LL ALSO BE PARKING OR WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE, UH, FIVE HEAVY DUTY TRUCKS, NOT TRACTOR TRAILERS, BUT HEAVY DUTY TRUCKS THAT YOU CAN TAX FORCE TO.
WHAT'S THAT? WE'LL BE HAPPY TO APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, SO THAT IS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
UM, THIS WOULD BE THE LEFT SIDE IN VERY SIMILAR FASHION TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THE KMART BUILDING.
UH, SO THIS IS WHERE YOU SEE THE THREE ENTRANCE DOORS THAT YOU'LL SEE ON THE BUILDING IN, UH, OFF OF WALNUT MILL ROAD.
WE ARE JUST NOW OPENING THIS ONE.
THIS IS IN TAPPAHANNOCK, VIRGINIA.
IT WAS THE OLD GORMAN'S DEPARTMENT STORE.
I'LL IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER WHERE THAT WAS.
UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S KINDA THE LOOK WE, WE TRY TO GO WITH AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE SIZE OF ONE OF OUR HEAVY DUTY TRUCKS.
UM, SO THAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF AN IDEA THERE.
THIS, UH, WE WILL SCREEN OUR PRODUCT BASED ON WHATEVER THE MUNICIPALITY WILL AGREE TO FOR THE MOST PART IN TAPPAHANNOCK, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM US AS A BUILDING SUPPLY CENTER.
SO THEY'VE GOT LUMBER AND ALL THAT STUFF EVERYWHERE.
SO WE WANTED TO SCREEN IT, AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT HOW WE'LL SCREEN, UH, THIS FACILITY AS WELL.
BUT THIS IS CHAIN-LINK PVC, WHICH IS WHAT, UH, THE CITY OF TAMPA HANEKE ACTUALLY WANTED US TO USE.
AND THAT'S ABOUT A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT, UM, ENCLOSURE RIGHT THERE.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS, UH, THERE'S PRODUCT IN THERE.
YOU CAN'T SEE IT, BUT IT'S IN THERE.
SO THIS IS THE PIPE YARD IN, UM, COLONIAL HEIGHTS.
WE HAVEN'T WE'LL HAVE AN OPAQUE.
WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE AN OPAQUE SCREEN RIGHT THERE.
AND YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE THESE MOBILE RACKS THAT HOLD THE PIPE AND IT KEEPS IT BELOW THE, UH, LEVEL OF THE, OF THE SCREEN.
THAT'S PROBABLY A PRETTY GOOD VIEW RIGHT THERE, BUT WE LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT FROM, YOU KNOW, THE, ESPECIALLY THE PLUMBING SIDE, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE WONDERING OUT THERE IN OUR PIPE YARD WITHOUT US BEING INVOLVED, UM, INSIDE THE BUILDING, WE OPERATE LIKE THREE SEPARATE BRANCHES WE'LL OUTFIT, THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING, UM, BASICALLY WITH RACKING.
SO IT'S, IT'S OPEN, LIKE, UH, YOU'RE NOT KINDA LIKE TO COMPARE US TO LIKE WORK HOW THE WALMART FOR PROFESSIONALS, NOT WALMART, HOME DEPOT.
SO, UM, SO THERE'S THREE SEPARATE KIND OF, UH, COUNTERS IN THE BUSINESS.
SO YOU GO TO THE PLUMBING AREA, YOU TALK TO A PLUMBING PROFESSIONAL, YOU GO TO HPAC, YOU TALKED TO NAPBC PROFESSIONAL.
SO WE'RE THERE TO HELP, UH, SMALL BUSINESSES ARE, OUR TRADITIONAL CLIENT HAS GOT ONE OR TWO TRUCKS, UH, AND WE CAN HELP POSITION THEM TO COMPETE WITH SOME OF THE BIG GUYS.
SO, AND WE'RE AN ESSENTIAL BUSINESS, LIKE I SAID, SO THAT MEANS DURING COVID I GOT NO TIME OFF.
UM, YEAH, THIS IS KIND OF EXAMPLE OF OUR HPAC.
WE, WE TEND TO STOCK REALLY HEAVY, SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS ALMA, HOW MANY UNITS THAT IS OVER THEIR AIR CONDITIONING UNITS.
DON'T ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.
UH, SO THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE WE CAME FROM, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, THIS IS SOME OF THE OLDER LOCATIONS WE HAVE WE'RE IN SEVEN STATES.
UH, SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THE, HOW THE
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LOOK IS MIGRATED TO MORE LIKE WHAT YOU SEE DOWN HERE IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT-HAND CORNER.AND I BELIEVE YOU SAW THAT RENDERING ALREADY.
A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COMPANY WE'RE, UM, WE'RE KIND OF, WE'RE AN AESOP WE'RE EMPLOYEE OWNED, SO YOU'LL, WE'LL GET PROBABLY 15 REALLY GOOD JOBS HERE IN, UH, YOUR COUNTY.
UM, OUR EMPLOYEES TEND TO STAY WITH US FOR A LONG TIME BECAUSE THE ESOP IS VERY LUCRATIVE.
UH, FOR OUR EMPLOYEES, WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 65 YEARS.
WE HAVE 180 LOCATIONS, SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, UH, AND WE TEND TO RENT THESE PLACES FOR WHEN WE RENT ONE, WE RUN THEM FOR 10 TO 12 YEARS, WE'RE HERE TO STAY.
SO, UH, WE HAVE A MILLION SQUARE FOOT DISTRIBUTION CENTER AND UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW IN, UH, IN OKLAHOMA IS THAT WILL SERVICE THIS TERRACE.
UM, LET'S SEE EMPLOYEE OWNED, OR HE SAID THAT, UH, LET'S SEE.
AND TOP 20 OR TOP PLACES TO WORK IN OKLAHOMA FOR THREE YEARS IN A ROW.
SO, ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK, SO I HAVE A QUESTION AND I SEE, I WAS READING IN THE RITA.
HAD I SEE YOUR, UH, MR. BOWDEN HERE.
SO IF YOU'D COME UP, IT WAS CONCERNING, UH, HE, HE TALKED ABOUT THE OCCUPANCY OF THE SHOPPING CENTER.
SO YEAH, ONE THING I DID WANT TO MENTION IT FOR, I FORGOT IT.
THAT GATE, THAT'S A, THE EXISTING GATE WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO SCREEN THAT.
THAT'S ALREADY, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT GETTING THAT DONE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE PEEKING IN THERE AT NIGHT.
SO THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, SO YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE ANY OF THE PRODUCT IN THAT GAME, MR. BABBITT, YOUR ADDRESS.
UH, MY NAME IS PHILLIP GRAY BAUSCH.
I LIVE AT TWO 10 MISTLETOE DRIVE AND DIFFERENT NEWS, VIRGINIA.
UH, CHAD, YOU HAD SOME COMMENTS.
MY, MY QUESTION IS FOR YOU WHERE THIS, UH, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE OCCUPANCY OF THE SHOPPING CENTER THAT YOU MAYBE COULD HAVE ANSWERED MR. RYAN'S QUESTION ALSO ABOUT THE GATE AND, UH, TALKED ABOUT HOW THAT WILL BE SCREENED OFF AND HOW WIDE THAT WOULD BE.
SO JUST A QUICK HISTORY OF THE SHOPPING CENTER.
UM, UH, MY COMPANY, UH, TAYLOR CONSTRUCTION BASED IN VIRGINIA BEACH WAS BROUGHT IN TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO, UH, BY A ALABAMA AND NEW YORK BASED CLIENT TEAM, UH, WHO CONES THE CENTER.
UH, THEY HAD, THEY'D WORKED WITH KMART FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS.
UH, KMART MOVED OUT OF ROUGHLY EIGHT TO 10 YEARS AGO.
THE CENTER WENT RELATIVELY BLIGHTED, UM, DOWN AT SOME POINTS TO 15 TO 20% OCCUPANCY.
UM, THEY BROUGHT US IN TO REPHASE THE CENTER, UH, AND TO HELP THEM DO THE LANDLORD AND TENANT BUILD OUTS FOR THEIR BIG BOX STORES, INCLUDING ASHLEY HOMESTORE, ALI'S AND NOW WE'RE HELPING THE LOCK TEAM.
UM, DURING THAT TRANSITION OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, UH, WHEN WE FINISHED WITH LOCK, THE CENTER WILL BE ABOUT 90% OCCUPIED.
UM, WE'RE WORKING WITH TENANTS, UM, ON EVERYDAY BASIS WORKING WITH A KARATE STUDIOS AS WE SPEAK.
UM, I'D SAY IN THE NEXT YEAR IT'LL BE A HUNDRED PERCENT OCCUPIED, UM, FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.
ONE, THE FACT THAT THREE NEW BIG ANCHOR TENANTS ARE IN THE SPACE.
AND FOR TWO, UH, THE OWNERS HAVE INVESTED A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THE UPFIT AND THE REPHASE AND IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PARKING LOT.
AND THIS THAT THE OTHER, AS FAR AS THE, THE, UH, SIZE OF THE GATE THAT WILL, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU'RE INCREASING, UH, 20 FEET SO THAT TRUCKS CAN GET IN THERE.
THE GATE WILL BE SCREENED ALSO, CORRECT.
IT WILL BE THE, THE IDEA BEHIND THE GATE IS, UH, I THINK MIKE, AND CAN, CAN COMMENT ON THIS, BUT A TYPICAL SECTION OF PEX PIPE IS 20 FEET.
AND SO TO BE ABLE TO FORKLIFT PROPERLY PEX PIPE AND BACK AND FORTH, THEY NEEDED A 22 FOOT OPENING.
SO WE'LL HAVE A GATE THAT'LL MATCH THE HEIGHT OF THE BRICK WALLS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF MIKE SAID THIS, BUT WE WILL ALSO FULLY COVER THE OTHER EXISTING GATE TO MATCH THE NEW GATE, UM, AND COLOR AND SORT OF, UM, SAME MATERIAL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF YES, WAIT, IT, YOU CLASSIFIED IT AS WHOLESALE, BUT IT REALLY LOOKS LIKE A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT FROM THE INSIDE.
WE CONSIDER OURSELVES RETAIL SLASH VOLTS.
SO THEY EVER TOLD THEM WHERE TO BECOME WHITE LADY, THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE.
WE, UH, WE CONSIDER OURSELVES RETAIL SLASH WHOLESALE.
UH, HOMEOWNERS CAN COME IN THERE.
THE GENERAL PUBLIC CAN COME IN HANDYMAN, UM, PROFESSIONAL TRADESMEN.
AND, UH, THERE WON'T BE ANY TRUCKS IN THAT LOT.
JUST THE FORKLIFTS COMING AND GO.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO CARES TO SPEAK TO THE SUBJECT? ALTHOUGH NOBODY HAS SIGNED UP, SEEN NOBODY.
I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC, HEARING A DISPLEASURE
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WITH THE BOARD.OUR 22 DASH 50 WE'LL CALL PLEASE.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. GREEN AS TO ADOPT PROPOSE RESOLUTION R 22 DASH 50 TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED MR. ROWAN.
[4 Application UP-983-22, Tres Pollitos. Applicant requested application to be deferred to the May 17, 2022 meeting.]
PUBLIC HEARING IS FROM A TRAYS POLITICALS, BUT THEY'RE NOT HERE TONIGHT.AND THEY'VE ASKED TO HAVE IT POSTPONED.
HOWEVER, THERE'S ANYBODY HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THEM OR SPEAK TO THE ISSUE.
I'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU COME TO THE MICROPHONE.
I'LL CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
[5 Shenandoah Cable Television Franchise Agreement. Consider adoption of proposed Ordinance No. 22-5 to execute a cable franchise agreement with Shenandoah Cable Television, LLC.]
NUMBER FIVE.AND THAT'S THE ADOPTION OF THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 22 DASH FIVE, THE SHANANDOAH CABLE TELEVISION FRANCHISE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SPEAKING ON THIS.
SO BEFORE YOU, YOU HAVE REPORT PROPOSED ORDINANCE 22 DASH FIVE, WHICH IS A 10 YEAR FRANCHISE AGREEMENT WITH SHANANDOAH CABLE TELEVISION.
UM, THIS WILL ALSO BE REFERRED TO AS SHANTELLE, FIRST OF ALL, TO KIND OF FRAME THINGS.
THIS IS A CABLE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT.
THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE KIND OF OVERVIEW OVER CABLE TELEVISION.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY SAY OVER INTERNET NOW AS MR. FRENCH WILL EXPLAIN HERE IN A LITTLE BIT.
WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT PROVIDING IS CABLE TELEVISION, TELEPHONES, AND HIGH-SPEED INTERNET OVER FIBER OPTIC CABLE.
BUT THIS ACTUAL FRANCHISE AGREEMENT CAN ONLY ADDRESS CABLE TELEVISION.
UM, THEY RECENTLY SIGNED FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS WITH WILLIAMSBURG AND JAMES CITY COUNTY.
AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE LAST BIT OF THE HISTORICAL TRIANGLE, YOUR COUNTY.
WE ARE, WE DO NEED TO KEEP PARODY BETWEEN OUR CURRENT FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS WITH VERIZON AND COX COMMUNICATIONS.
SO WHEN THIS, UH, PROPOSED FRANCHISE AGREEMENT WAS DRAFTED, UH, GREAT CARE WAS PUT INTO MAKING SURE IT WAS EQUAL TO WHAT VERIZON AND COX HAD WITH US.
SO AS NOT TO ADVANTAGE OR DISADVANTAGE ONE PROVIDER OVER THE OTHER, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF KEY DIFFERENCES THAT BEING SAID, THE FIRST ONE IS SHANTELLE IS FOCUSED ON THE NORTHERN END OF THE COUNTY, SPECIFICALLY DISTRICT ONE, JUST GEOGRAPHICALLY, WHERE THEY'RE POSITIONED, THAT'S WHERE THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE BUILT TO KIND OF PROVIDE SERVICES TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE COUNTY.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO INTO NEWPORT NEWS AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAN THEY EXPLAINED THEY WANTED TO REACH THEIR BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.
THE SECOND PART IS HISTORICALLY, WE'VE ALREADY ALWAYS REQUIRED, OR THE SPORT HAS ALWAYS REQUIRED DIFFERENT MILESTONES.
AFTER SO MANY YEARS, THEY HAVE TO HAVE 60% COVERAGE.
AND SO MANY MORE YEARS LATER, 80% COVERAGE WITH THE WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE INDUSTRY HAS CHANGED MORE AND MORE JURISDICTIONS AREN'T ABLE TO DO THAT.
IT KIND OF PUTS THE INCUMBENT AT TOO MUCH OF AN ADVANTAGE AND NEW BUSINESSES HAVE A HARD TIME TRYING TO COMPETE.
SO THIS PROPOSED FRANCHISE AGREEMENT DOESN'T HAVE THAT, THAT IS IN, UH, EQUIVALENT TO WHAT JAMES CITY COUNTY AND WILLIAMSBURG BOARDS PAST.
NOW SOME OF THE BENEFITS TO THE JURISDICTIONS ARE IT SERVICES AT YOUR COUNTY FACILITIES ON THE NORTHERN END OF THE COUNTY, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO, WE CAN USE COX COMMUNICATION OR VERIZON.
CURRENTLY, THIS WILL GIVE US AN OPTION OF THEY'RE GOING TO BRING THAT SERVICE IN THROUGH FIBER OPTIC CABLE, WHICH OPENS UP OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR COUNTY FACILITIES.
ALL OF THE FEES ARE THE EXACT SAME BETWEEN COX AND VERIZON AND THIS PROPOSED, UH, SHANTELLE, UH, FRANCHISE AGREEMENT.
SO ANY OF THE SERVICE FEES, THE FRANCHISE FEES, THE POTENTIAL CHANNELS ARE ALL THE SAME.
AND THEN IT ALSO POTENTIALLY GIVES CITIZENS AND OPTION IN DISTRICT ONE.
RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE EITHER COX COMMUNICATION FOR INTERNET, UM, INDIRECTLY THROUGH CO-AX OR THEY HAVE DSL OR SOME SATELLITE OPTIONS WITH VERIZON.
THIS WOULD POTENTIALLY GIVE THEM HIGH SPEED INTERNET OPTION THROUGH SHANTELLE.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. FRENCH FROM CHANTEL THAT'S.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
YES, MA'AM STUART FRENCH A WISH INTEL.
MY ADDRESS IS 4 4 0 CALLOWAY CIRCLE, ROCKINGHAM, VIRGINIA.
SO TIM DID A GREAT JOB OF GIVING A, A GOOD INTRODUCTORY OVERVIEW.
SO SOME OF THIS I WILL, UH, I'LL SKIP OVER, UH, IN, IN THE SAKE OF BREVITY, UM, A QUICK COMPANY OVERVIEW, UH, LIKE TIM MENTIONED, OUR COMPANY NAME IS SHENANDOAH, UH, CABLE TELEVISION LOC.
WE ARE A PUBLICLY TRADED CORPORATION ON THE NASDAQ, UH, AND WE ARE, UH, OVER OUR 120 YEAR HISTORY HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON ALL THINGS TELECOMMUNICATIONS.
UM, AND OVER THE YEARS, THAT'S ENCOMPASSED CABLE TV, UH, TRADITIONAL LANDLINE, TELEPHONE SERVICE.
AND NOW WE ARE A BROADBAND FIBER OPTIC, UH, FOCUS COMPANY, UH, FIRST AND THE THREE POINTS I CALL OUT HERE.
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CLICHE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.THEY'RE THE THREE TENANTS THAT WE FOCUS ON IN EVERY SINGLE MARKET, UH, THAT WE GO AFTER.
THAT'S ADVANCED NETWORKS, EXCELLENT LOCAL CUSTOMER SUPPORT.
WE DO NOT OUTSOURCE, UH, CUSTOMER SERVICE ANYWHERE ELSE.
UH, BESIDES THE REGION IN WHICH THOSE MARKETS ARE FOCUSED AND LOCAL COMMUNITY INVESTMENT AND PARTNERSHIP, WE TRULY MEAN THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO JUST COME HERE TO DO BUSINESS IN THE COUNTY AND GO ABOUT OUR MERRY WAY.
WE'RE HERE TO DO BUSINESS IN TERMS OF A PARTNERSHIP WITH YOU ALL GET INVOLVED WITH NONPROFITS, UM, LOCAL COMMUNITY EVENTS, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
COUPLE OF NUMBERS HERE JUST TO CALL OUT SO YOU CAN GET A SENSE OF OUR SIZE OF A COMPANY.
CURRENTLY 860 EMPLOYEES, ROUGHLY WE HAVE OVER $245 MILLION IN ANNUAL REVENUES.
ONLY CALL THAT OUT TO MAKE THIS ABUNDANTLY CLEAR TO YOU ALL AS THE BOARD.
WE'RE NOT HERE LOOKING FOR TAX BREAKS.
UM, ANY SUBSIDIZATION OF THIS BILL, THIS IS CURE PURELY A CAPITAL INTENSIVE PROJECT ON OUR OWN MEANS.
WE ARE JUST LOOKING TO BRING COMPETITIVE OPTION TO THE RESIDENTS OF YORK COUNTY CURRENTLY.
UH, THIS IS A THREE-YEAR OLD, UH, INITIATIVE, UH, INTERNALLY OF LOW FIBER, UH, PURSUING NEW NEW MARKETS, UH, IN THE MID-ATLANTIC REGION, WHICH YOU'LL SEE ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
CURRENTLY, THIS IS PASSING OVER 75,000 HOMES, UH, IN THE MID-ATLANTIC REGION, WHICH HAS SHOWN HERE.
UM, THIS CAN BE A KIND OF BUSY MAP, BUT I'LL, I'LL FOCUS YOUR ATTENTION ON A COUPLE OF THINGS, THE PURPLE AND ORANGE DOTS UP AND DOWN THE, UH, INTERSTATE 81 CORRIDOR IN NOW, AS WE'RE MOVING, UH, TO THE EASTERN SHORE AREA, UM, JAMES CITY COUNTY WILLIAMSBURG HAVE ALREADY APPROVED A VERY SIMILAR, UH, CABLE TV FRANCHISE.
UH, WE ARE, UH, MOVING THAT DIRECTION WITH SUFFOLK.
AND NOW WITH YOURSELVES HERE IN YORK COUNTY, ALL OF THIS, LIKE TIM MENTIONED IS BEING FED OFF OF OUR FULL FIBER NETWORK.
UH, THERE'S NOT CO-AX THAT WILL BE, UH, TIED INTO CONNECT THE RESIDENTS HERE IN THE COUNTY.
ALL OF THIS FIBER WILL OBVIOUSLY CONTINUE, UM, EURO'S DIRECTION, UH, AS WE TURN UP THE MARKET.
SO QUICK SYSTEM OVERVIEW, UM, LIKE I MENTIONED, FULLY FIBER.
UM, WE ARE ABLE TO OFFER A FULL TRIPLE PLACE OF INTERNET, VIDEO AND PHONE ULTRA HIGH SPEED BANDWIDTH, MORE RELIABLE THAN YOUR TRADITIONAL COPPER BASED NETWORKS.
UM, IT'S ALL OVERCLASS, WHICH IS JUST TO NOW TECHNOLOGICALLY SPEAKING, MORE RELIABLE THAN THE COPPER WAS, AND WE ARE ABLE TO OFFER SOME METRICAL BANDWIDTH.
SO I'LL SHOW YOU HERE IN A COUPLE OF SLIDES, THOSE INTERNET TIERS, BUT THEY'RE FULLY SYMMETRICAL MEANS THE SAME SPEEDS.
UH, RESIDENTS ARE ABLE TO ACHIEVE ON THE DOWNLOAD SIDE.
THEY'RE ALSO ABLE TO DO ON THE UPLOAD SIDE, WHICH IS HIGHLY IMPORTANT NOWADAYS WITH COVID WORKING FROM HOME LEARNING FROM HOME.
AND THE LAST POINT HERE IS VERY IMPORTANT, UH, IN TERMS OF THE PUBLIC WORKS.
IT'S GOING TO BE A SENSE OF PROJECT WITH US OUT ON THE ROADS AND POLE LINES, GETTING THIS NETWORK INSTALLED.
SO WE WANT TO DO IT RIGHT, AND WE WANT TO DO IT THE FIRST TIME AND LET THAT BE ONE OF THE ONLY TIMES WE'RE OUT THERE AND WITH IT BEING A PASSIVE OPTICAL NETWORK, THIS MEANS ANY FUTURE UPGRADES WAY DOWN THE LINE, 10, 15, MAYBE EVEN 20 YEARS DOWN THE LINE, ANY UPGRADES THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE WILL MORE, MOST IMPORTANTLY NEEDED TO JUST BE DONE ON OUR EQUIPMENT IN, OR THE RESIDENTS HOME, NOT IN BETWEEN, IN THE, IN THE LINES UP AND DOWN THE ROADS.
SO SOME BENEFITS LIKE TIM MENTION, UM, WE'RE HERE TO OFFER A COMPETITIVE OFFERING.
LIKE HE ALSO SAID, WE'RE STARTING IN DISTRICT ONE WITH IT BEING, UH, THE MOST ADJACENT TO OUR WILLIAMSBURG AND JAMES CITY COUNTY BUILDS.
UM, AND WE ARE DOING THIS, LIKE I SAID, AT THE BEGINNING FULLY, UH, ON OUR OWN DIME CAPITAL INVESTMENT, UH, IN, IN NO SUBSIDY, I DON'T WANT TO PREACH ABOUT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IMPACTS.
THEY'RE PRETTY OBVIOUS THIS DAY AND AGE, HAVING FIBER OPTIC, UH, TO THE HOME OPTION FOR RESIDENTS, UH, WILL ALSO ATTRACT LOCAL BUSINESSES.
AND THIS NETWORK WILL ALSO BE ABLE TO SERVE ANY BUSINESSES THAT DECIDE THEY WANT OUR SERVICE FOR THEIR OWN MEANS WHETHER THAT'S HOSPITAL, MEDICAL FIELDS, EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO PRIVATE ENTERPRISES, MOM, AND POP SHOPS, UH, IN THE LIKE TELECOMMUTING AS WELL.
UH, IN THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ROLLED OUT A, UH, A NEW AFFORDABILITY PROGRAM CALLED THE AFFORDABLE CONNECTIVITY PROGRAM.
ACP, THIS IS A $30 DISCOUNT FOR ANY QUALIFYING CUSTOMERS, AND THIS DISCOUNT CAN BE APPLIED TO ANY OF OUR, UH, PACKAGES THAT WE OFFER.
AND, UH, THIS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE ALREADY ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING IN, IN ALL OF OUR MARKETS.
SO THIS IS THE TIMELINE OF EVENTS THAT IF, UH, THE BOARD SO CHOOSES TO, TO SIGN THIS FRANCHISE, WE ARE OBVIOUSLY IN STEP ONE, WE IMMEDIATELY ENGAGE WITH THE UTILITY PUBLIC WORKS, PERMITTING, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENTS HERE IN THE COUNTY TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT HOW WE DO THE ACTUAL BOOTS ON THE GROUND WORK, UH, PERMITS IN THE LIKE, UH, ONCE WE'RE ON, UNDER THAT UNDERSTANDING, WE MOVED TO THE ENGINEERING SURVEY IN PERMITS AND EVENTUALLY CONSTRUCTION.
UH, WE CALL OUT THE 12 TO 18 MONTH ESTIMATED
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TIMELINE AFTER THE SIGNING OF THE FRANCHISE THAT'S TO ALLOW FOR NECESSARY, MAKE READY OTHER UTILITIES TO MAKE ROOM FOR US ON THE POLLS AND ALL THAT PERMITTING PROCESS TO BE DONE, UH, BEFORE THE CONSTRUCTION ACTUALLY STARTS, THEN WE MOVE INTO THE LOCAL JOBS THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO HIRE HERE IN THE REGION, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE CLOSE PROXIMITY BETWEEN THE THREE COUNTIES, THE TWO COUNTIES IN THE CITY, UH, IT WOULD BE A REGIONALLY FOCUSED EFFORT OF THESE MARKETING SALES, OPERATIONS, UH, POSITIONS.THESE OPERATIONS POSITIONS ARE GOING TO BE YOUR TECHNICIANS, DOING THE INSTALLATIONS AT THE, UH, HOMES, ANY TROUBLESHOOTING OUT IN THE FIELD, AS WELL AS ANY LOCALLY BASED CUSTOMER SUPPORT PEOPLE, SALES AND MARKETING EFFORTS WILL OBVIOUSLY INITIATE, HOPEFULLY WILL, UM, GET SERVERS UP AND RUNNING IN, IN MANY, UH, RESIDENCES.
AND THEN WE MOVE INTO THE, THE ONGOING PHASE THAT HOPEFULLY DOESN'T HAVE AN END.
AND THAT'S US BEING ACTIVELY INVOLVED HERE IN THE COUNTY, UH, WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO HERE'S THE, UH, THE PRICING BREAKDOWN OF WHAT WE'RE OFFERING.
THIS IS UNIFORM ACROSS ALL MARKETS.
UH, GOING BACK TO THAT MAP ALL THE WAY FROM PENNSYLVANIA DOWN THROUGH VIRGINIA IN SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA.
UM, THESE ARE, UH, YOUR, YOUR TYPICAL TRIPLE PLAY OPTIONS, INTERNET TV, AS WELL AS PHONE.
THERE'S A DOUBLE-PLAY DISCOUNT OF $10 FOR ANY TWO SERVICES, UH, WITH INTERNET AND A TRIPLE PLATE DISCOUNT OF $20.
THIS IS OUTSIDE OF COURSE, OF THAT ACP $30 DISCOUNT FOR QUALIFYING, UH, CUSTOMERS.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THREE INTERNET, UH, TIERS, 300 MEGABIT, ONE GIGABIT IN TWO GIGABIT, UH, ALL, ALL VERY, FAIRLY PRICED, UH, ACROSS THE MARKET, UH, FOR CURRENT TV PACKAGES THAT WE'RE OFFERING AND THE UNLIMITED CALLING FOR THE FIBER OPTIC PHONE.
I TYPICALLY GET QUESTIONS BASED ON THAT.
SO, UH, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO YOU ALL FOR ANY QUESTIONS, AND I CAN GO BACK TO OTHER SIDES OF THE MONTHLY FEES.
THAT'S THE MINUTE YOU HAVE A QUESTION, MR. ZARIMBA OKAY.
UH, ONE OTHER NOTE, WE DO NOT DO CONTRACTS.
SO A LOT OF OUR COMPETITORS OFFER ONE TO TWO YEAR CONTRACTS, AND THEN THE PRICE IS OUTSIDE OF THAT CONTRACT CAN CHANGE.
THIS IS CONTRACT FREE FROM DAY ONE.
UM, AND FOR THE STREAMING TV, WE DO OFFER THAT OVER A, BRING YOUR OWN DEVICE TYPE PLATFORM.
SO THE AMAZON FIRESTICK, UM, APPLE TV IN THE LIGHT, UH, THAT IS HOW IT'S FED FROM THE FIBER OPTIC CABLE INTO THE TVS THEMSELVES.
AND IF ANYBODY DOES NOT HAVE A DEVICE AND THEY SIGN UP FOR A TV PACKAGE, WE DO OFFER A, UH, CURRENTLY ONE FREE FIRE STICK THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO, THEY'RE ABLE TO KEEP, EVEN IF THEY DECIDE LATER AT SOME POINT TO CANCEL THEIR SERVICE.
YEAH, THIS QUESTION IS FOR TIM.
UM, TIM, I UNDERSTAND YOU MADE A COMMENT REFERENCED THE, YOU KNOW, THE FAIRNESS IN THE MARKET AND YOU TALKED ABOUT THE FRANCHISING FEE.
SO ARE THESE COMPANIES PAYING THE COUNTY A FEE? NO, NO.
THE STATE COLLECTS UP THE 5% FEE.
UM, MR. BARNETT KIND OF EDUCATED ME A LITTLE EARLIER TODAY ABOUT BEFORE THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT WOULD IMPOSE A FRANCHISE FEE.
AND THEN WE HAD SOME ABILITY TO KIND OF THE BOARD DID TO SET THAT FEE.
THE STATE CAME IN AND SAID ACROSS THE STATE, IT'S GOING TO BE A 5%.
AND THEN IT HAS A FORMULA WHERE IT DISPERSES THOSE FUNDS BACK TO THE JURISDICTION.
SO WE, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT FEE, CORRECT? I CAUSE WHEN YOU SAID FEET, I WAS THINKING ABOUT WHAT THE GENTLEMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT HERE IN TERMS, AND I'M GOING TO WORST PRICE SIX HERE, SO, OKAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. ROAD, TIM, DOES THIS SERVICE POTENTIALLY FILL ANY GAPS WE MAY HAVE IN THE UPPER PART OF THE COUNTY AS FAR AS WHAT THE COUNTY MAY NEED FOR INTERNET OR CORRECT? CORRECT.
NOW, ONE OF THE KEY LOCATIONS IS NEW QUARTER PARK.
NOW COX IS BRINGING OUT THEIR CO-AX SERVICE THERE.
UM, ONE OF THE SEVEN LOCATIONS WHERE THEY'RE BRINGING TELEVISION SERVICE IS NEW QUARTER PARK.
THEY OF COURSE DO IT VIA FIBER OPTIC CABLE.
NOW WE ARE IN A CONTRACT WITH COX FOR SO LONG, BUT BY THE TIME SHANTELLE GETS UP AND RUNNING, WE HAVE A VERY GOOD OPTION SWITCHING OVER TO MAYBE THEIR LIT FIBER THAT'S FIBER OUT TO NEW QUARTER PARK, AS OPPOSED TO CO-AX IT JUST GIVES THE COUNTY MORE OPTIONS.
SPEAKING OF THAT FIBER NETWORK, ARE YOU GOING TO OWN THAT OR ARE YOU LEASING OUT LISA? SOMEBODY ELSE'S FIBER NETWORK.
YEAH, WE WILL OWN IT FROM DAY ONE AND WE'LL MAINTAIN IT OURSELVES.
DO YOU DO THAT IN HOUSE? DO YOU CONTRACT THAT? SO THE CONSTRUCTION, WE DO OUTSOURCE A CHUNK OF IT.
WE DO HAVE OUR IN-HOUSE CREWS AS WELL, BUT DUE TO VOLUME OF WORK ACROSS ALL OF OUR MARKETS, WE, EXCUSE ME, WE DO OUTSOURCE, BUT IN TERMS OF THE MAINTENANCE OURSELVES.
YEAH, FOR THE MOST PART, WE HANDLE IT UNLESS WE GET TO A STRETCHING POINT.
WE, WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, FOR BIG STORMS OR THE LIKE, AND IN CREWS ARE HARD TO COME BY OVERHEAD BURIED COMBINATION, A COMBINATION.
WE, WE FOLLOW TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
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IF THE MUNICIPALITY DOESN'T DICTATE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, WE FOLLOW POWER, WHEREVER POWER GOES UNDERGROUND, WE FOLLOW.IF THEY SAY AREA, WE FOLLOW CERTAIN MUNICIPALITIES, UH, NO OFFENSE, NOT SURE WHAT THE COUNTY HERE WILL, WILL DICTATE.
IF YOU COME TO US AND SAY, WE WANT YOU TO SAY ALL AREA, WE'LL SAY ALL ARIEL, WE WANT YOU TO BE FULLY UNDERGROUND.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S ALSO DEPENDENT ON IF IT'S AN HOA AND IN THE DIFFERENT, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS MAY DICTATE THAT AS WELL, BUT WE FOLLOW POWERS ARE OUR BASELINE.
AND LAST QUESTION, ONCE YOU DO THE INITIAL CONSTRUCTION, HOW MANY, HOW MUCH CAPACITY WILL YOU HAVE ENABLED? HOW MANY HOMES CAN YOU SERVE AFTER YOUR INITIAL? I'M NOT THE TECHNICAL PERSON TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
I CAN LOOK INTO IT, BUT IN TERMS OF THE COUNTY ITSELF, WE'LL HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH CAPACITY TO MANAGE EVERYBODY IF THEY DECIDED TO ORDER SERVICE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH QUESTION ALL THE TIME.
NOW OF COURSE, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UH, I'VE GOT THE UPPER COUNTY.
AND I'M LOOKING AT THIS MAP AND UM, I'M WONDERING, UM, WOULD THAT BE PROVIDED TO EVERY HOUSE IN THE, IN DISTRICT, ONE OF YOUR COUNTY? UH, IN OTHER WORDS, HOW WILL THAT OCCUR? SURE.
UH, AND THEN WHEN I LOOK AT THE, THE CHART UP THERE, THAT'S A MONTHLY FEE FOR EACH OF THESE ENTRIES.
IN OTHER WORDS, UH, IF I WANT TOP LINE INTERNET, A HUNDRED BUCKS A MONTH, AND THEN I HAVE A CHOICE, I LIKE LOCAL NEWS, BUT I ALSO LIKE MY WIFE LIKES ENTERTAINMENT AND I'M NOT REAL SURE WHAT THE LIGHT INDULGE MEANS, BUT THAT SOUNDS AWFUL.
I MIGHT WANT TO SUBSCRIBE TO THAT.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF ADDING EACH OF THESE LINE ITEMS. YES, IT IS.
SO OBVIOUSLY AS A TV SELECTION PROCESS, YOU WOULD CHOOSE ONE PACKAGE.
YOU COULDN'T ORDER MORE THAN ONE TV PACKAGE.
SO THE TV PACKAGES WORK IN, IN, I GUESS, A BUILDING UP PROCESS.
SO EACH LOWER TIER TV PACKAGE IS INCLUDED IN THE NEXT LARGER PACKAGE.
SO IF YOU WERE TO ORDER THAT INDULGE PACKAGE YOUR WIFE, YOU WOULD ALSO GET YOUR LOCAL CHANNELS.
SHE WOULD GET ALL OF HER ENERGY.
IT JUST BROADENS YOUR SELECTION OF MORE AND MORE CHANNELS.
SO THAT LOCALS, WE CALL IT LOCALS.
IT'S NOT JUST YOUR LOCAL, ABC, NBC, CBS, IT'S A SMALLER PACKAGE, BUT IT'S MORE THAN JUST THE FOUR MAJOR IN TERMS OF YOUR OTHER QUESTION ABOUT ALL THE RESIDENCES IN, IN, IN, UH, YOUR DISTRICT RECEIVING SERVICE.
WE'RE NOT GUARANTEEING THAT THEY WILL, BUT THAT IS OUR LONG-TERM PLAN.
WE HAVE OUR INITIAL BUILD-OUT AREA BASED ON COMING OVER FROM THE CITY, UM, AROUND BYPASS ROAD IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
THERE ARE LIKE TIM MENTIONED GIVING US THAT BUILD-OUT FLEXIBILITY, LETS US TAKE OUR TIME, BUT IT'S A BUSINESS AT THE END OF THE DAY.
SO THE MORE RESIDENTS WE CAN TURN UP WITH SERVICE, THE MORE MONEY WE MAKE, THE MORE REVENUE YOU'LL GET BACK IN, IN YOUR, UH, YOUR FRANCHISE FEES.
SO IT'S A BALANCING ACT, BUT THAT'S OUR LONGTERM PLAN.
WELL, TOWARD THAT END, WHAT'S YOUR MARKETING PLAN.
SO WE, WE DO KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING.
SO WE'LL HAVE THE LOCAL ADS THAT WILL BE ON BILLBOARDS AND ON LOCAL CHANNELS ALREADY.
UM, WE ALSO DO SOME TARGETED FACEBOOK, SOCIAL MEDIA ADS THAT WILL BE TARGETED.
AND THEY'RE SPECIFIC TO YOUR COUNTY RESIDENTS.
WE'RE COMING, YOU KNOW, ON THIS DATE THIS MONTH AS WE START THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS AND WE DO HAVE A FULL MARKETING PLAN, WE COULD PROVIDE YOU AS WE GO THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE HAVE EARLY DOOR KNOCKERS THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO COME IN TWO WEEKS TO START CONSTRUCTION IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
OKAY, WE'RE COMING IN TWO DAYS AND THEN WE HANG THOSE IN.
HOPEFULLY WE CAN ENGAGE SOME RESIDENTS IF THEY ANSWER THE DOOR, UM, TO LET THEM KNOW WE'RE COMING.
OBVIOUSLY WE STAY IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
WE DO NOT BUILD IN ANY, UH, PRIVATE, UH, EASEMENTS OR RIGHTS AWAY UNLESS WE HAVE THAT APPROVAL.
ANY TURNIP OF SERVICE THAT OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO TAKE OUR SERVICE OFF OF THE MAIN LINE TO THEIR WALLS AND INTO THEIR HOUSE THAT HAPPENS AFTER THEY ORDER SERVICE.
SO OBVIOUSLY THEY, THEY HAVE THAT EXPECTATION.
SO ASSUMING THAT THIS BOARD IMPROVES, UH, A PROPOSAL TIMELINE.
SO THAT, THAT GOES BACK TO THE 12 TO 18 MONTHS.
WE START THE PROCESS TOMORROW TO, UH, MAKE ALL THE ENGINEERING DECISIONS IN WHERE WE NEED THE PERMIT FOR, FOR THE BUILD.
AND THEN, UH, FROM THAT AFTER 12 TO 18 MONTHS OF THE MAKE-READY AND OTHER THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE PRIOR TO US STARTING CONSTRUCTION.
I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW AND I HAVE ONE PERSON WHO IS SIGNED UP TOM CHAMBERLIN WITH, UH, WOULD YOU COME PLEASE? I HAVE AN ADDRESS PLEASE.
HI TOM CHAMBERLIN TWO 70 BARLOW ROAD.
UM, I'M NOT TOTALLY OPPOSED TO THIS, BUT I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF CONCERNS.
ONE IS WHEN I WENT THROUGH THE, THE AGREEMENT, THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY TALKS ABOUT
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EASEMENTS, ANY NEW YORK COUNTY EASEMENT THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO USE.SO THAT TELLS ME AS A LAY PERSON.
IF I SIGNED A DRAINAGE EASEMENT WITH YOUR COUNTY, YOU'RE GOING TO NOW ALLOW THIS CABLE COMPANY TO GO THROUGH AND LAY CABLE IN THAT DRAINAGE.
THEN, UM, THAT'S A CONCERN TO ME.
THE SECOND ONE THAT REALLY JUMPED OUT AT ME IS WHEN I HEARD THAT THEY'RE GOING TO USE, THEY'RE GOING TO FOLLOW POWER.
SO IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, ALL OF THE POWER POLES ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, THEY'RE UNDER A UTILITY EASEMENT.
UM, COX JUST FORCED THEIR WAY THROUGH AND PEOPLE DIDN'T OBJECT TO IT.
UM, SO I WANT TO OBJECT UPFRONT THAT WE DON'T WANT A NON UTILITY IN A UTILITY EASEMENT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
THE SECOND CONCERN I HAVE IS ABOUT NOTICE TO RESIDENTS.
UM, ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAD FIBER OPTIC CABLE INSTALLED TO CAMP PERRY UNDER A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
I FOUND OUT ABOUT THAT WHEN I DROVE HOME AND THERE'S HEAVY CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT IN MY FRONT YARD, A HUGE HOLE MUD EVERYWHERE.
AND WE HAD NO IDEA WHO WAS, WHO WAS DOING THIS.
IT WAS THE CONSTRUCTION GUYS WERE GONE.
THEIR EQUIPMENT WAS THERE AND THEY LEFT A MESS.
AND SO WE DID SOME RESEARCH, FOUND OUT WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, UM, ENDED UP HAVING TO GET TOMMY NORMAN INVOLVED TO HELP US WITH RESOLUTION.
THEY HAD THEIR HEAVY EQUIPMENT IN OUR DRIVEWAY.
THEY DID A REPAIR JOB, BUT IT WAS, UH, IT WAS A REPAIR JOB AND YOUR DRIVEWAY IS NEVER RIGHT AGAIN.
SO I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO MANAGE, HOW IS THE COUNTY GOING TO CONTROL WHAT THEY DO AND ENSURE THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE PROTECTED, THAT THEY'RE NOT USING UTILITIES MEANS THAT THEY'RE NOT ENTITLED TO.
AND SO I'D ASK YOU TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO UNDERSTAND THAT EITHER THROUGH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO TABLE THIS, GET THOSE ANSWERS, GET THAT DATA OUT TO THE CITIZENS AND THEN MAKE YOUR DECISION.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE? YES.
SO PLEASE GIVE ME YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
IT KIND OF CAME TO ME AS A SURPRISE.
SO I AGREE WITH MR. CHAMBERLAIN AND WANT TO REQUEST THAT IT BE TABLED UNTIL PERSONALLY THE CITIZENS HAVE A CHANCE TO BECOME MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT IT.
THE PAST TWO WEEKS I'VE HAD DOMINION CONTRACTORS DIGGING IN MY YARD, BURYING THEIR ENERGY LINES.
I'M THRILLED THAT THOSE LINES ARE GOING UNDERGROUND BECAUSE IF THERE'S EVEN A DARK CLOUD, WE LOSE POWER IN QUEEN'S LAKE.
UM, I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED TO FIND OUT THAT COX AND VERIZON ARE NOT PLAYING.
AND SO THE POLLS DON'T COME DOWN.
DOMINION IS JUST REDUCING THE HEIGHT OF THE POLE TO THE COX AND VERIZON LEVEL.
WE DID HAVE TO SIGN AN EASEMENT IN ORDER FOR, UH, DOMINION TO BE ON THE PROPERTY, TO DO THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING.
SO AGAIN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT RIGHTS SHANTELLE WOULD HAVE ON MY PROPERTY AND WHAT WOULD BE INVOLVED.
I'VE HAD TWO OR THREE WATER DIGS.
AND THEN I HAD ENERGY NOW AND IT HAS BEEN THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN LAWN RESTORATION FOR US BECAUSE THE PROMISES ARE NEVER FULFILLED IN TERMS OF THE QUALITY OF WORK THAT THEY DO WHEN THE JOB IS FINISHED.
SO I ASK YOU TO TABLE IT UNTIL THE CITIZENS CAN REALLY KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE, IF NOT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING BOARD COMMENTS.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE THE FRANCHISEE? UH, GIVE US SOME EXPLANATION TO SOMEBODY THAT'S CONCERNED BEFORE WE GO.
SO NOT KNOWING THEIR INDIVIDUAL SITUATION.
DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN AND UNDERSTAND THE INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE HAS, UM, POTENTIALLY LET, LET SOME, SOME FUTURE GROWTH, UH, INTO, INTO SOME AREAS THAT CAUSE SOME CONCERNS FOR RESIDENTS.
SO I'LL TALK JUST ON WHAT I KNOW AND THAT'S OUR COMPANY POLICIES IN THE WAY WE HANDLE THINGS.
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A BIT CLICHE AND JUST SAYING IT TO GET IT ACROSS THE LINE.IT'S NOT THAT THAT'S NOT TRUE.
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY WHAT WE DO IN TERMS OF EVERYWHERE THAT WE INSTALL OUR LINES OR ANYWHERE WHERE WE HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO DO.
SO, WHETHER THAT'S EXISTING, A UTILITY EASEMENT OR ANY PRIVATELY, UH, NEGOTIATED, UH, EASEMENT.
SO IF WE HAVE A LANDOWNER THAT, HEY, THIS IS MY PRIVATE PROPERTY, YOU CAN'T GO FROM A TO B WITHOUT NEGOTIATING AND AGREEING TO AN EASEMENT.
THAT'S WHERE WE DRAW THE LINE.
SO IF WE COME TO THE AGREEMENT, WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT TO, IN, IN THE SENSE OF, IF THERE IS A PROCESS THAT WE INSTALL THE LINE, WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE PRIOR TO THE CONSTRUCTION, THE HOMEOWNER'S NOT HAPPY OR SATISFIED WITH THE END PRODUCT.
WE HAVE A CUSTOMER CARE CONSTRUCTION CUSTOMER CARE GROUP THAT SPECIFICALLY HANDLES THESE TYPES OF THINGS.
UH, WHETHER A, A ROSEBUSH IS SLIGHTLY OUT OF WHACK FOR WHAT IT WAS BEFORE THE LINE CAME THROUGH, OR IF IT'S JUST A BIGGER CONCERN, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE, THAT GROUP PERSONALLY HANDLES THE RECTIFICATION OF THAT ISSUE OF BEFORE WE PICK UP OUR EQUIPMENT AND LEAVE FOR, FOR GOOD.
WE, WE FOLLOW ALL THE RULES AND REGULATIONS ABOUT WHERE WE CAN AND CAN'T PLACE LINES AERIALLY OR, UH, OR UNDERGROUND.
IF IT'S AN HOA SITUATION, HOS AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND THE LIGHT, THE, THEY HAVE AN ACCESS AGREEMENT TYPICALLY THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO GET THEIR APPROVAL BEFORE WE DO ANY CONSTRUCTION.
UM, BUT FOR SINGLE FAMILY, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS THAT AREN'T COVERED BY AN HOA OR THE LIKE THAT'S WHERE WE FALL INTO THE UTILITY EASEMENT LINES AND, AND FOLLOW POWER WHERE WE'RE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO BE.
SO, SO IN, IN ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS AND I DON'T KNOW UP THERE AND, UH, AND DISTRICT ONE, SOME OF THE HOMES ARE PRETTY GOOD.
AND IN SOME ARE, YOU KNOW, CLOSER.
UM, SO YOU WOULD GO DOWN GENERALLY THE UTILITY EASEMENT, UH, THAT'S UH, MAINTAIN LONGER ROAD.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THAT.
THERE'S NO DEBATE ON WHETHER YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THAT FROM YOUR ALL'S PERSPECTIVE.
NOW THE ONLY OTHER EXTRA LAYER OF PERMISSION OR PERMITTING THAT WE WOULD DO IS WITH THE ACTUAL POPE POLE OWNERS.
SO IF IT'S DOMINION OR VERIZON, WHOEVER OWNS THE POLE, THEY HAVE LEGAL RIGHT TO SAY, NO, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO ATTACH, BUT WE DO 99% OF THE TIME GET THAT APPROVAL BECAUSE WE PAY A POLE ATTACHMENT FEE AND WE GET THAT APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE CONSTRUCTION.
BUT GOING TO THE HOUSE ITSELF FROM THE POLE TO THE HOUSE, YOU HAVE TO GET PERMISSION FROM THE HOMEOWNER VIA AN ORDER.
IF THEY DON'T ORDER SERVICE, WE WOULDN'T, UH, DROP THE CABLE DOWN TO THEIR HOUSE.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T DO THAT PROACTIVELY.
WELL, I KNOW VERIZON WAS A LITTLE SNEAKY ABOUT THAT.
THEY ACTUALLY CAME INTO HOUSE.
THEY ACTUALLY CAME INTO THE GARAGE AND INSTALLED THE EQUIPMENT WITHOUT, WITHOUT EVEN ASKING ME, ASKING PEOPLE TO DO THAT.
THAT THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT OUR POLICY AT ALL.
I THINK, I THOUGHT I UNDERSTOOD YOU TO SAY THAT IF YOU DON'T GET PERMISSION FOR EASEMENTS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, THEN YOU RUN, RUN THE SERVICE.
BUT WHAT IF, WHAT IF SOMEBODY FURTHER DOWN THAT EASEMENT ONCE THE SERVICE, HOW DO YOU TAKE CARE OF THAT PERSON? IT'S AN OBSTACLE, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO COME TO THAT AGREEMENT.
NOW, IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT ROUTE THAT WE CAN GET TO THAT A PROSPECTIVE CUSTOMER, AND THAT MAY BE AN EASIER ROUTE TO, TO UNDERTAKE, BUT THAT EASEMENT TO GET THROUGH THAT PERSON THAT'S NOT IN AGREEMENT DAY ONE IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT BEFORE WE CAN SERVE CUSTOMER.
UH, I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION.
SO WE'VE HAD TO DEAL A LOT WITH TOWERS AND STUFF LIKE THIS AND THE F AND FCC, AND THIS MAY BE FROM MR. BARNETT HERE, BUT THE FCC HAS GOT SOME PRETTY CLEAR GUIDANCE ABOUT, UH, WELL, NOT GUIDANCE, BUT MORE STRINGENT RULES ABOUT WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO.
IT DOESN'T, UH, THE CABLE BUSINESS FALL INTO SOME OF THE COMMUNICATION ACT AND THE FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION HAS, UM, GENERAL, HE TAKEN A STANCE, WHICH IS NOT IN FAVOR OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT REGULATION.
AND YET THERE STILL IS LOCAL GOVERNMENT REGULATION.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS IN FACT THEY'VE INDICATED FAIRLY RECENTLY IS, UM, NOT THAT THE PENETRATION REQUIREMENTS AS WE CALL THEM, YOU KNOW, I E THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE YOU HAVE TO SERVE THEM LIMITED IN CERTAIN PERIODS OF TIME, NOT THAT THEY'RE UNLAWFUL, BUT THEY DO CONSIDER THEM POTENTIALLY DISCRIMINATORY.
AND IN WHICH CASE, THEY RESERVE THE RIGHT TO, YOU KNOW, TO TAKE ACTION OR ALLOW OTHERS TO DO SO.
UM, I WILL POINT OUT IN TERMS OF EASEMENTS, WE HAVE A STANDARD UTILITY EASEMENT, WHICH CONTAINS A PARAGRAPH 11.
I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT THIS IS IN EVERY UTILITY EASEMENT DEED, BECAUSE SOME
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PEOPLE HAVE OBJECTED TO IT.AND SOMETIMES YOU'VE TAKEN IT OUT, BUT IT SAYS THAT, UH, AND I'M LOOKING AT OUR STANDARD LINERS.
THE COUNTY MAY, FROM TIME TO TIME GRANT THE RIGHT TO OTHERS, TO LOCATE FACILITIES, SERVING THE PUBLIC WITHIN THE EASEMENT HEREBY CONVEYED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO WATER ELECTRIC TELEPHONE GAS, UTILITY FACILITY.
SO THERE'S NO SPECIFIC MENTION OF CABLE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE LANGUAGE THAT WE'VE ASSUMED THAT CABLE COMPANIES HAVE THE RIGHT, IF THIS LANGUAGE IS IN THE, IN THE, UH, EASEMENT D UM, WELL, THE QUESTION, THE QUESTION TIED TO THIS IS IN THE FAIRNESS ASPECT IS THAT IF, UH, TH THESE CABLES, I, AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD TELEPHONE ON THERE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO THEY'RE USED FOR TELEPHONE.
THE FIBER OPTICS WERE USED FOR TELEPHONE.
THE, UM, THE INTERNET IS COMMUNICATIONS.
UM, WE, SO WE CANNOT REGULATE THAT WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY IN THE COMMUNICATIONS ACT TO REGULATE A TELEPHONE.
THE COUNTY ITSELF REGULATIONS, JUST CABLE TELEVISION.
WE CAN GRANT A FRANCHISE FOR WHAT'S OUR SOUL, BUT THE COUNTY ITSELF IS NOT DOING THE REGULATIONS.
THE QUESTION, CAUSE IF RESIDENTS UP THERE START HAVING A PROBLEM WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, COMING TO THE BOARD WHEN IT'S, UH, THIS COMPANY IS GOING TO BE DEALING WITH THE STATE OR THE FCC UNDER, OR THEIR LAWYERS WILL, IF YOU WILL.
SO WHAT RECOURSE WILL THE CITIZENS HAVE? WELL, I POTENTIALLY, ALTHOUGH THIS IS, I I'VE BEEN TOLD ABOUT IT.
I WAS TOLD SOME WHILE AGO, THE FIRST TIME THAT I DEALT WITH ONE OF THESE, THAT IT ONLY HAPPENED ONCE IN THE, IN THE COUNTRY, BUT THERE ARE SERVICE STANDARDS, WHICH ARE ATTACHED TO THIS, UM, WHICH THEY ARE OBLIGATED TO COMPLY WITH.
NOW, IF THEY DON'T, THE COUNTY POTENTIALLY HAS THE RIGHT TO, TO TERMINATE A FRANCHISE AGREEMENT, HOWEVER, THE PROCESS TO DO SO, UH, IS ADMITTEDLY QUITE LIMITED.
AND W WHEN I FIRST GOT INVOLVED IN THIS WAS, IS ACTUALLY THE FIRST, UM, I ACTUALLY, I GUESS IT WAS THE FIRST TIME VERIZON CAME IN, UM, AND WE HAD OUTSIDE COUNSEL WHO WORKED WITH US.
HE SAID AT THAT TIME ONLY ONE LOCALITY IN THE COUNTRY HAD EVER ACTUALLY EVER BEEN ABLE TO TERMINATE A FRANCHISE AGREEMENT.
UM, SO IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DO.
I, I WILL, I WILL WARN YOU ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE ARE, THERE ARE, UM, THERE ARE PERFORMANCE CRITERIA, UH, STANDARDS, UM, BUILT INTO THIS AND JUST AS THERE ARE WITH COX AND VERIZON, BY THE WAY, IN FACT, THEY, THEY PRETTY, PRETTY NEARLY THE SAME, BUT KNOW, TALKING ABOUT PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
THE QUESTION I'M TRYING TO GET TO HERE, I GUESS, IS, IS THAT THIS COMPANY WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA APPROVE A FRANCHISE.
AM I KEEPING YOU UP? SHE'LL YES.
SO WE'RE APPROVING THAT WE APPROVE HIS FRANCHISE FOR THIS COMPANY TO DO BUSINESS, BASICALLY IT'S BUSINESS THAT VERIZON AND COX ARE DOING.
SO, UH, BASICALLY I DON'T, I DON'T SEE, I'VE SEE WHAT THE QUESTIONS THE FOLKS ARE HAVING HERE, BUT I DON'T SEE HOW THEY'RE BEING RESTRICTED IN ANY WAY, UH, IN TERMS OF HAVING ACCESS TO APPLY, LIKE, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU GAVE A GREAT EXAMPLE.
WE HAVE WITH DOMINION POWER HAS ACTUALLY GONE ACROSS ANOTHER PERSON'S PROPERTY TO PROVIDE POWER TO ANOTHER PERSON.
SO IF THERE'S OTHER PERSON DOWN THE LINE WANTS TO HAVE THIS TELEPHONE, TELEPHONE OR INTERNET, WOULD THEY NOT HAVE THE SAME AUTHORITY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT? UH, WELL, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT VIRGINIA POWER, THEY MAY ACTUALLY HAVE, I THINK THEY DO HAVE AUTHORITY TO CONDEMN.
UM, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT A CABLE COMPANY DOES.
SO I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
IF THERE WAS A GAP IN WHERE THEY CAN RUN A LINE, IF SOMEONE'S DEED, FOR EXAMPLE, DOES NOT HAVE THIS LANGUAGE, ALLOWING US TO ASSIGN OTHERS IN THE RIGHT TO USE.
THE CABLE COMPANY IS JUST GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT AS BEST THEY CAN.
THEY MAY HAVE TO NEGOTIATE A PURCHASE OR AN AMENDMENT TO A D C SOMETHING.
UM, ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU'RE CORRECT.
I MEAN, NOBODY'S OBLIGATED TO BUY THIS SERVICE AND IF THEY DON'T LIKE THE SERVICE, THEN THERE IS AT LEAST TWO OTHER COMPANIES THAT ARE STILL OUT THERE THAT CAN PROVIDE SIMILAR SERVICE.
THAT THE ORDER'S A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY HERE, BECAUSE THE QUESTION AT HAND IS FRANCHISE AGREEMENT FOR CABLE SERVICES, RIGHT.
THEY CAN RUN TELEPHONE AND INTERNET, I BELIEVE, OUTSIDE OF THAT FRANCHISE AGREEMENT, BUT ALL THAT RUNS OVER THE SAME INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TO APPROVE FRANCHISE FOR CABLE TELEVISION.
SO THAT'S ALL WE CAN THAT'S ALL, BUT THEY CAN STILL RUN INTERNET.
THEY CAN STILL RUN PHONE SERVICE OVER THAT SAME INFRASTRUCTURE OVER THOSE SAME EASEMENTS.
I THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT IS CORRECT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER IT.
AND IF WE WORKED, RIGHT, SO EVEN IF WE JUST ALLOW THE FRANCHISE, THEY CAN STILL RUN THAT SERVICE.
WELL, I, I SUPPOSE THEY COULD, BUT, UH, BUT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE, I MEAN, I, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THEY GET THEIR EASILY RIGHTS.
THEY W THEY WILL LOSE A MARKET THERE, BUT THEY CAN STILL RUN THE PHONE AND THEY CAN START RUN INTERNET IF THEY WANTED TO, WE CAN GRANT THEM A FRANCHISE TO USE THE PUBLIC RIGHTS AWAY IN THE COUNTY FOR CABLE TELEVISION.
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THEY DIDN'T, IF THEY WERE NOT A CABLE TELEVISION COMPANY, THEY WOULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT.AND AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY COULD RUN A TELEPHONE SERVICE OR, OR INTERNET SERVICE, AND FRANKLY, THAT'S A BUSINESS.
I GUESS THEY'D HAVE TO GO AND BUY EASEMENTS, OR SO WE SAY NO TONIGHT, DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE'RE ALSO SAYING NO, THEY CAN'T RUN PHONE SERVICE OR IMMENSE.
THEY'LL HAVE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, TECHNICALLY HOW WILL YOU, HOW YOU RUN THAT KIND OF SERVICE IN THE ABSENCE OF A CABLE FRANCHISE, I THEN MAY BE ABLE TO DO IT.
SO OUR FRANCHISE, THE FRANCHISE THEN IS JUST FOR THE TV AND CABLE AND THE CABLE CAN BE USED, IS GOING TO BE USED FOR COMMUNITY COMMUNICATION.
SO LITTLE CLARITY, IT'S A LITTLE CLARITY FOR A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT COMMENTS.
SO, SO AS WE COME INTO THE MARKET, YOU APPROVE THE FRANCHISE, BECOME INTO THE MARKET.
IT'S A SINGLE CABLE FOR SAN JOSE.
IT'S A SINGLE CABLE THAT WE WOULD INSTALL THAT SINGLE CABLE CAN BE PROVISIONED TO OFFER ANY ONE TO THREE SERVICES, PHONE, INTERNET, TV.
IF YOU ALL REJECT THE OPPORTUNITY TO LET US OFFER CABLE TV, TO YOUR POINT, WE CAN STILL COME IN AND SOLID CABLE STILL OFFERED, UH, TELEPHONE INTERNET WITH NO EXTRA OVERSIGHT BY THE COUNTY.
THAT'S ALL GRANTED THROUGH THE CELIAC, UM, CERTIFICATION THAT WE HAVE.
SO THAT'S COMPETITIVE LOCAL EXCHANGE CARRIER STATUS THAT WE HAVE AT THE STATE LEVEL.
THAT IS FOR COMPETITIVE NON-INCUMBENT LONG-TERM, UH, PROVIDERS IN THE AREA TO COME IN AND OFFER COMPETITIVE SERVICES.
THAT IS THEN THE, WHAT GRANTS US, THE ABILITY TO COME IN AND YOUTH UTILITY RIGHTS AWAY AND IN ANY EASEMENTS.
SO TO JIM'S POINT, OFFERING THE CABLE FRANCHISE FOR US TO SIGN IN WHAT YOU ALL HAVE OVERSIGHT, AT LEAST GIVES YOU ALL THE COUNTY.
IF AT SOME POINT DOWN THE LINE, YOU'RE GETTING A TON OF CITIZEN COMPLAINTS THAT WE'RE NOT ANSWERING THE PHONE.
WHEN THEY CALL, WE'RE NOT INSTALLING SERVICES WITHIN, YOU KNOW, AN ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF TIME.
WE'RE DIGGING UP THE YARD AND LEAVING A MESS AND NOT COMING BACK TO FIX IT.
YOU ALL CAN DRAG US BACK HERE IN PUBLICLY, NOT SHAMELESS PER SE, BUT GIVE US THE REDIS, THE RIOT ACT OF YOU ALL ARE NOT PERFORMING UNDER THESE CANDOR, UH, STANDARD CARE PROCEDURES THAT YOU AGREE TO IN THE CUSTOMER SERVICE PART OF THE FRANCHISE.
AND THEN AGAIN, THE FRANCHISE FEES WE PAY AS A COMPANY TO THE STATE, BUT THE STATE RICHMOND REMITS IT BACK TO YOU ALL.
SO THAT'S, I GUESS THE GIVE AND TAKE OF THE FRANCHISE AND HOW IT WORKS TO YOUR BENEFIT.
WE ONLY HAVE OVERSIGHT OVER THE FRANCHISEE.
IF THAT'S OUR ONLY AVENUE FOR CONTROLLING ALL OF YOUR SERVICES, ALL THREE IS BUY THAT, BUY THAT FRANCHISE.
YOU CAN BASICALLY DO WHAT YOU WANT FOR INTERNET AND PHONE.
AND WE HAVE NO SAY WHATSOEVER IN ANY RECOURSE OR ANYTHING.
SO, SO THERE ARE TWO REASONS WE PURSUE CABLE FRANCHISE ONE, IT'S AN ACT OF GOOD FAITH THAT WE'RE WILLING TO DO THIS TO HELP YOU ALL BE AWARE OF OUR ACTIVITIES AND HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE.
AND ALSO FROM A MARKETING PERSPECTIVE, IF WE'RE TRYING TO SELL YOU SERVICE AND YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, I WANT TO JUST A SINGLE BILL.
I WANT ALL THREE SERVICES ON ONE PROVIDER.
WELL, SHIN TELL YOU CAN'T OFFER ME TV.
I'M GOING TO GO WITH NO A OVER HERE THAT CAN, SO IT HELPS US BE ABLE TO SELL MORE SERVICE IF WE HAVE THAT TV OFFERING.
BUT ALSO IT'S AN ACT OF GOOD FAITH THAT WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU ALL THE MUNICIPALITY TO DO SO IN GOOD FAITH, UH, AS A BUSINESS DOING BUSINESS HERE IN THE COUNTY, UM, WE ARE PART OF WHAT'S CALLED THE HISTORIC TRIANGLE, JAMES CITY COUNTY, WILLIAMSBURG, YOUR COUNTY, YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR EARLIER, OR MAYBE TIM DID THAT, BOTH JAMES CITY COUNTY AND A CITY WILLIAMSBURG HAVE THIS CAPABILITY.
IN FACT, I KNEW THAT SEVERAL WEEKS AGO, CAUSE I'VE GOTTEN SEVERAL PHONE CALLS FROM CITIZENS OF YOUR COUNTY SAYING, HEY, WHAT'S THE DEAL? WHY DON'T WE HAVE THIS CAPABILITY? WHY DON'T WE HAVE THIS CAPABILITY? UH, YOU LOOK LIKE A FINE YOUNG MAN.
UH, AND, UH, UH, SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS THIS, WELL, TWO QUESTIONS, HOW LONG HAVE OUR NEIGHBORS HAD THIS CAPABILITY AND TO WHAT KIND OF FEEDBACK HAVE YOU GOTTEN IN TERMS OF NEGATIVE FEEDBACK IN TERMS OF DISAPPOINTMENT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO YOUR FIRST QUESTION IS WILLIAMSBURG WAS APPROVED.
THEY APPROVED THAT FRANCHISE EARLY SEPTEMBER, JAMES CITY COUNTY APPROVED, I BELIEVE A MONTH OR A MONTH AND A HALF LATER IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR.
SO THEY ARE, WHAT, SIX MONTHS AHEAD IN TERMS OF THEY WERE QUICKLY ABLE TO GET THROUGH THE NEGOTIATION.
TIM, I BELIEVE THE REASON WE WERE A LITTLE BIT DELAYED WAS WE WERE WAITING FOR THE COUNTY TO RENEGOTIATE, UH, THE RENEWAL OF THE COX AGREEMENT, WHICH CAN COMPLICATE THINGS IF, IF COUNTY STAFFORD JUGGLING TWO DIFFERENT AGREEMENTS AT THE SAME TIME.
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SO THE SECOND QUESTION, I BELIEVE, SORRY, REFRESH MY MEMORY WAS WHAT KIND OF NEGATIVE FEEDBACK.SO WE'RE HONESTLY, WE'RE TOO FAR IN, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE TOO FAR OUT OF OFFERING SERVICE TO HAVE ANY NEGATIVE FEEDBACK.
I GUESS IT'S A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE, BUT NOTHING AS OF YET, REALLY NO POSITIVE OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, INDICATION OF INTEREST FROM DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE REACHED OUT.
UM, BUT NO NEGATIVE AS OF YET, UH, THESE HOUSES ACTUALLY HAVE THE CAPABILITY THAT THEY'VE GOT FIBER THEY'RE IN THE ENGINEERING AND PERMITTING PHASE.
SO NOTHING'S BEEN INSTALLED AND NOTHING IS OPERATIONALLY, CORRECT? CORRECT.
BEFORE I CALL FOR A VOTE, A COUNTY ADMINISTRATIVE WOULD SAY SOMETHING.
JUST WANTING TO MAKE A COUPLE OF CONTEXTUAL COMMENTS.
UM, SO THERE ARE SOME FRANCHISE FEES THAT WE GIVE, BUT THIS IS NOT ABOUT REVENUE TO THE COUNTY.
UH, THIS IS ABOUT TRYING TO GET ANOTHER OPTION, UH, FOR HIGH-SPEED FIBER OPTIC IN THE NORTH COUNTY, WHERE THERE IS CURRENTLY NO COMPOSITION.
I'VE HEARD FROM MANY PLACES THAT THIS IS A PROBLEM.
I THOUGHT WE WERE WORKING TO SOLVE A PROBLEM IN THE NORTH DISTRICT.
UM, YOU HAVE A COMPANY THAT IS INTERESTED IN MOVING IN.
THERE ARE COUNTIES IN VIRGINIA SPENDING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET SERVICE.
WE'VE GOT A COMPANY THAT WANTS TO COME IN.
UH, WE'RE PROPOSING A TRANSACTION, IDENTICAL TO WHAT OUR TWO NORTHERN NEIGHBORS ARE DOING.
UM, WE'VE ALL EXPERIENCED THE UTILITY, DOING ANNOYING THINGS, UH, DIGGING UP A YARD, UH, DISRUPTING SOMETHING WITHOUT TELLING PEOPLE.
I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT SOMEDAY IN THE FUTURE THAT WOULD OCCUR WITH THEM DESPITE THEIR BEST EFFORTS.
THE FRANCHISE GIVES US AT LEAST A LITTLE ABILITY TO TRACK WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHEN SOMEBODY DOES HAVE A PROBLEM FOLLOW UP ON IT.
UM, I HOPE THAT, UM, YOU ALL SEE THIS AS A GOOD THING FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, NORTH DISTRICT AND A GOOD THING FOR THE COUNTY.
UM, THERE NOT TOO MANY COMMUNITIES IN THE COUNTRY.
I THINK THAT WOULD TURN DOWN THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS KIND OF SERVICE IN 2022, WITH ALL THE BUSINESSES AND PEOPLE THAT DEPEND ON HIGH-SPEED FIBER OPTICS.
I HAPPEN TO AGREE WITH YOU WITH SOMEONE LIKE TO MOVE THIS PLACE.
ORDINANCE NUMBER 22 DASH FIVE, ALL COMPANIES THE MOTION MADE BY MR. ZAREMBA IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 22 DASH FIVE, TO EXECUTE A CABLE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT.
I WANT MR. ZAREMBA TO BE ABLE TO WATCH THE LUXURY PACKAGE OF TV.
[6. York County Code Amendments. Consider adoption of proposed Ordinance No. 22-2 to amend County code sections pertaining to interest on delinquent BPOL taxes, as well as sewer and water charges, and taxes on short-term rentals and prepared food and beverages.]
PRESENTATION IS GOING TO BE OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.UM, YEAH, THIS ACTUAL COAT, IF I MAY, THIS IS ACTUALLY A HOUSEKEEPING AMENDMENT RECENTLY.
WELL, I FORGET EXACTLY THE DATE.
IT'S RIGHT HERE IN THE MEMO IN AUGUST, 2021, YOU ADOPTED A RESOLUTION WHICH WAS ACTUALLY INTENDED TO BE COMPREHENSIVE.
THAT IS DROPPING INTEREST RATES ON DELINQUENT TAXES.
UH, FROM 10%, 6%, WE THEN DISCOVERED WE HAD OVERLOOKED SOME AND THEN FURTHER ALSO DECIDED THAT AS LONG AS YOU'RE AT IT.
AND I THINK THIS HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED AND MAYBE HAD NOT BEEN POSITIVELY TO DECIDED ON THAT ALSO, UM, UH, UH, UH, NOT JUST TAXES, BUT ALSO TO COVER, UM, SEWER AND WATER CHARGES TAXES ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND, AND, AND SOME OTHER FEES, YOU JUST TO DROP EVERYTHING FROM 10% TO 6%.
SO THIS FOLLOWS UP ON THE ACTION, WHICH WAS INITIALLY INTENDED TO ACTUALLY, I THINK THE THOUGHT WAS TO COVER ALL OF THIS TO BEGIN WITH.
AND THEN WE REALIZED THAT WE HAD OVERLOOKED.
I'D HAVE TO SAY, WE ALSO INCLUDES THIS OFFICE, UM, OVERLOOKED SOME OF THE OTHER PLACES IN THE, IN OUR ORDINANCES WHERE 10% INTEREST RATES WERE ALSO, I THINK WE'VE CAUGHT THEM ALL THIS TIME.
SO, UM, I PRESENTED TO YOU SIMPLY TO DO CLEANUP AND TO ASSURE EVERYONE THAT IF YOU HAVE A DELINQUENCY OF ANY KIND INTEREST RATES ARE 10% AND BY THE WAY, PENALTIES FOR LATE PAYMENTS, I THINK STILL REMAIN AT 10.
UM, BUT, BUT THE INTEREST RATES ON DELINQUENCIES ARE NOT DROPPED TO SIX AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CATCH THE ONES WE DIDN'T CATCH.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? SEE, NONE I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC, HEARING ANYONE HERE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE.
SO, YOU KNOW, ONE, I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'D LIKE TO MOVE PROPOSED ORDINANCE 22 DASH TWO.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. GREEN IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 22 DASH TWO TO AMEND THE COUNTY CODE.
MR. ZAREMBA, MR. GREEN, MR. RONAN.
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MRS. NOLE.UH, NOW WE'RE GOING TO THE CONSENT
[CONSENT CALENDAR]
CALENDAR.WE'VE GOT ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS THE HEADSTART GRANT APPLICATION ITEM.
NUMBER EIGHT IS A HOMELAND SECURITY GRANT PROGRAM, URBAN AREA SECURITY INITIATIVE FUNDS, EXCEPT US ACCEPTANCE AND APPROPRIATION.
AND THAT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT.
NUMBER NINE IS THE APPROPRIATION OF STORMWATER LOCAL ASSISTANT GRANT FUNDS.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WOULD LIKE TO PULL ANY DISCUSSION? I MOVE CONSENT.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. SHEPHERD IS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED MR. GREEN.
MR. SHEPHERD, MR. ZAREMBA, MRS. NOLE.
AND BEFORE WE ADJOURN, MR. ZAREMBA, YOU STILL HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD.
WELL, IF YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T, I WILL.
AND I WANT TO SAY WISH THOSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY TWO KINDS OF PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD, THOSE WHO ARE IRISH AND THOSE WHO WISH THEY WERE IRISH.
PATRICK'S DAY, WHICH IS COMING ON THURSDAY, PLEASE HAVE A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL DAY.
AND WITH THAT, OUR NEXT MEETING FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL BE HELD AT 6:00 PM, TUESDAY, APRIL 5TH IN THE EAST ROOM OF YOUR CALL.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LISTENING TONIGHT.