[1. Call to Order]
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THE CODE OF VIRGINIA REQUIRES LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION, THE PURPOSE OF WISHES TO ADVISE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON LAND USE AND PLANNING ISSUES AFFECTING THE COUNTY.
THE RESPONSIBILITIES IS EXERCISE.
YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS CONVEYED BY RESOLUTIONS OR OTHER OFFICIAL MEANS ALL ARE MATTERS OF PUBLIC RECORD.
THE COMMISSION IS COMPRISED OF CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS APPOINTED BY THE BOARD REPRESENTING EACH VOTING DISTRICT AND TWO AT LARGE MEMBERS.
WELL, AT THIS POINT, I'M GONNA CALL TO ORDER THE, YOUR COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION, REGULAR MEETING FOR FEBRUARY 9TH, 2022.
YOU WITH US, UH, STAND LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL FIRST, AND THEN WE CAN STAND UP FOR THE ALLEGEDLY GOOD EXERCISE, MR. HALL.
MR. KING, MR. CRINER, MR. SMITH HERE.
MR. PETERMAN, DEAR MR. CHAIRMAN.
NOW LET'S STAND FOR BLITCH ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[4. Approve Minutes – January 12, 2022]
HAVE THE COMMISSIONERS HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING? YES, YES, YES.I HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS SUBMITTED.
DID YOU CALL THE ROPE PLEASE? MR. HOLROYD MYTHS LEAD THEM.
MR. TIREDNESS? YES, THE MOTION PASSES.
NOW'S THE TIME FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS FOR ANYONE OUT IN THE, OUT THERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ABOUT ANYTHING YOU WISHED EXCEPT WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA.
SO IF THERE'S SOME OTHER ITEM YOU WISH TO SPEAK TO, YOU COULD COME FORWARD AND BE RECOGNIZED AND HAVE, HAVE YOUR SAY.
AND THEN WE'LL PROCEED TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
[Application No. UP-983-22, Tres Pollitos, LLC]
UH, FIRST UP IS APPLICATION NUMBER UPP 9 83 DASH 22.THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A TOURIST HOME IN AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING LOCATED AT 5 33 TALON SMELL ROAD.
IT'S A FACILITY MAP OF THE AREA.
UH, THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY IS, UH, HIGHLIGHTED IN RED, UH, SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES, BUT IT'S A SIX ACRE PARCEL.
IT'S KIND OF IN A RURAL SETTING COMPARED TO SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, SUBDIVISIONS, UM, SCOTCH TOM'S WOOD MILL SIDE IN A MILL COVE ESTATES, SEPARATION DISTANCE BETWEEN THE SUBJECT DWELLING AND THE CLOSEST DWELLINGS IS 116 FEET OUT TO THE WEST OR LEFT AND, UH, 200 FEET, UM, TO THE EAST NORMAL SETBACKS IN OUR 20, UH, STANDARD R 20 SUBDIVISION.
YOU WOULD HAVE, UH, ABOUT A THIRD TO A HALF ACRE LOT, UM, SEPARATION DISTANCES, UH, AS CLOSE AS 30 FEET, UM, WITH 15 FOOT SIDE YARDS, UH, THERE ARE NO OTHER, UM, SHORT-TERM RENTALS RENTALS IN THE AREA.
UH, THE CLOSEST ONE IS, UH, OFF OLD LANDING ROAD IN MERRILL BANK, WHICH IS ALMOST FIVE MILES AWAY FROM HERE, ZONING MAP.
UH, I MENTIONED IT'S OWNED OUR 20 MEDIUM DENSITY, SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, UM, OUR, OUR RURAL RESIDENT, RESIDENTIAL ACROSS, UH, ALAN'S SMELL ROAD AND THE RC RESOURCE CONSERVATION, UM, OFF TO THE WEST.
UM, THOSE ARE SOME PONDS THAT WERE ACTUALLY PART OF AN OLD, UM, BORROW PIT, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THE PROPERTY FOR MEDIUM DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL SCENARIO, PHOTO, UM, NOTICE IT'S, IT'S A HEAVILY WOODED.
UH, ACTUALLY YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THE HOUSE, UM, IN THE, IN THE AREA.
UM, IT'S LOCATED RIGHT ABOUT HERE.
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OF THE PROPERTY.THIS IS, UH, THE FRONT PART OF THE HOUSE.
UM, PART OF THE PARKING WOULD BE WHERE YOU SEE THE, THE CAR THERE AND THE SIDE FRONT OF THE HOUSE APPLICANT IS OBVIOUSLY DOING SOME RENOVATIONS, UM, TO THE BUILDING.
SO ADDITIONAL PARKING WOULD, UH, COULD BE ACROSS THE FRONT.
THIS IS FACING THE REAR OF THE HOUSE, BACKSIDE OF THE HOUSE, AND STANDING AT THE REAR, LOOKING TOWARD THE BACKYARD.
THIS IS THE SIDE WHERE THE CLOSEST HOUSE IS.
AND JUST NOTE THAT YOU CAN'T SEE THE, THE NEXT CLOSEST HOUSE ACROSS THE WAY, STANDING IN THE PARKING RAIDER LOOK LOOKING TOWARD ALAN'S MILL ROAD.
THE DRIVEWAY IS ABOUT 250 FEET LONG.
UM, THERE IS SOME GRAVEL THERE.
IT DOES NEED TO BE IMPROVED AND, AND WE'LL ADDRESS THAT AS PART OF AN APPROVAL CONDITION.
THIS IS ON ALAN'S MILL ROAD, UH, APPLICANT'S PROPERTY ON THE LEFT.
THERE ARE SOME HEARTS OF ALLEN'S MAIL THAT ARE PRETTY TWISTY AND NARROW.
THIS IS NOT ONE OF THEM IT'S WIDER.
AND THERE'S PLENTY OF SIGHT DISTANCE.
IN THIS PARTICULAR SECTION OF THE ROAD.
THIS WAS LOOKING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION AND ACROSS THE STREET, THERE'S A HOUSE.
YOU CAN'T SEE THAT FROM THE ROAD SUSTAINING ON ALAN'S MILL.
THE APPLICANT'S DRIVEWAY IS ON THE RIGHT, CAN'T SEE THEIR HOUSE FROM THE ROAD AND, UM, ADJACENT NEIGHBOR TO THE LEFT.
IT'S A SKETCH PLAN OF THE PROPERTY.
AS I MENTIONED, THE DRIVEWAY IS ABOUT 250 FEET LONG.
A FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY INDICATED THAT THERE SHOULD BE NO PARKING ALONG THAT DRIVEWAY IN ORDER TO AFFORD SAFE ACCESS FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES FOR A DRIVEWAY THAT LONG.
SO WE'VE INCLUDED AN APPROVAL, UH, CONDITION REQUIRING, UH, NO PARKING SIGNS, FIVE PARKING SPACES ARE, ARE REQUIRED, UH, AND, UH, THE PARKING AREA AND DRIVEWAY, AS I MENTIONED, THAT WILL BE, WE'VE GOT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL FOR THAT TO BE IMPROVED.
SO IS THE APPLICANT SKETCH PLAN A WOULD BE A WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL, NO RENTAL LIVE INDIVIDUAL BEDROOMS. ACCORDING TO THE COUNTY ASSESSOR'S RECORD RECORDS, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 1,900 SQUARE FEET IN FLOOR AREA.
SINGLE STORY, FOUR BEDROOMS, TWO BATHROOMS, KITCHEN LIVING ROOM, DINING ROOM, AND AN ENCLOSED PATIO IN THE BACK IN SUMMARY, 1,900 SQUARE FOOT DWELLING.
IT WOULD BE RENTED AS A SINGLE UNIT MAXIMUM OF EIGHT GUESTS AT ANY ONE TIME.
THAT'S TWO GUESTS PER BEDROOM, WHICH IS THE STANDARD APPROVAL CONDITION THAT WE HAVE FOR TOURIST HOMES.
THE APPLICANT, UH, WHO IS THE OWNER, UM, WOULD BE THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY, UH, REQUIRED FOR CONTACT, UH, PER THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
THEY RESIDE ABOUT 7.9 MILES AWAY.
ACCORDING TO A CURRENT INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION, ENGINEERS RE REPORTS, AN AVERAGE DAILY VEHICLE TRIP FOR A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING IS 9.4 TRIPS.
UH, THEY DON'T DESIGNATE, UM, TOURIST TOM'S THE NEXT CLOSEST THING WOULD BE A TIMESHARE, WHICH IS 8.1 TRIPS PER DAY, OR A HOTEL ROOM, WHICH IS 4.4 TRIPS PER DAY.
ACCORDING TO V DOT TRAFFIC ESTIMATES.
UH, THIS SECTION OF ALAN'S MILL ROAD HAS APPROXIMATELY 1,500 AVERAGE DAILY VEHICLE TRIPS, UH, ON IT.
SO WE DON'T FEEL THAT THIS USE WOULD IMPACT THE TRAFFIC OUT THERE PROPOSED THE APPROVAL CONDITIONS, UH, OPERATE THE TOURISM IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE APPLICANT'S NARRATIVE MAXIMUM OF FOUR BEDROOMS, EIGHT GUESTS AT ANY ONE TIME LAYOUT BE MAINTAINED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE APPLICANT'S FLOOR PLAN DRIVEWAY AND, UH, PARKING AREA BE IMPROVED WITH GRAVEL OR OTHER DUST-FREE SURFACE, NO PARKING SIGNS ALONG THE DRIVEWAY.
THE SUP WILL EXPIRE UPON CHANGE AND OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH HAS BECOME STANDARD PRACTICE FOR, UH, TOURIST TOWNS.
AND IT IS SERVED BY A PRIVATE SEPTIC SYSTEM.
UM, SO WE HAVE A CONDITION THAT, UH, GET APPROVAL FROM THE PENINSULA HEALTH DISTRICT PRIOR TO THE COMMENCEMENT OF THE USE, WHICH AGAIN IS A STANDARD APPROVAL CONDITION.
IN THESE CASES, CONCLUSION, WE FIND THE OPERATION IS CONSISTENT WITH PREVIOUSLY APPROVED TOURS, TONES.
YOU DON'T HAVE, UH, IN A LOT OF NEIGHBORS CLOSE BY, UM, GIVEN THE APPROVAL CONDITIONS.
WE DON'T FEEL THERE WOULD BE AN ADVERSE IMPACTS TO THE SURROUNDING AREA, AND WE WOULD THEREFORE RECOMMEND APPROVAL IN ACCORDANCE WITH RESOLUTION PC 22 DASH SIX.
AND I WOULD NOTE WE DID RECEIVE ONE CITIZEN COMMENT.
I EMAILED IT TO YOU THIS AFTERNOON.
THERE'S ALSO COPIES OF IT, UM, AT YOUR DESK, A PERSON THAT WAS IN OPPOSITION.
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AND WITH THAT, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.I THINK I'LL ASK THE FIRST QUESTION IF THAT'S OKAY WITH THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS OF THE OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY, IS THAT BY AN INDIVIDUAL OR IS THAT THE LLC LLC? THE LLC.
SO IF THE LLC SELLS THE PROPERTY, THAT WOULD BE A CHANGE IN OWNERSHIP, BUT IF THE LLC ITSELF IS SOLD WITH THE PROPERTY STILL OWNED BY THE LLC, THERE'D BE NO CHANGE IN OWNERSHIP AND, UH, CONDITION NUMBER 10 WOULD NOT THEN APPLY.
IS THAT, WOULD THAT BE A CORRECT STATEMENT? I'M GOING TO DEFER TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY ON THAT ONE, MR. HILL.
SO WHAT WE HAVE IS A SITUATION WHERE WE WERE ITEM CAN, COULD BE APPLICABLE OR MAYBE NOT APPLICABLE DEPENDS ON HOW THE PROPERTY IS SOLD.
SO THAT WAS A, A FLAG WHEN I WAS READING THROUGH THIS AND EVERYTHING ABOUT IT.
SO, UM, THAT'S IT THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD WITH THE MYTHS PARKER.
AND THEN THE COMMISSIONERS, HAVING OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS FOR HER, IT, THE, UH, APPLICATION NOTED THAT THEY ARE PRIMARILY TRYING TO DO PROPERTIES TO SUPPORT THE MILITARY COMMUNITY DURING MOVING CYCLES.
HOW WAS THAT ADVERTISED? I MEAN, IS THAT, HOW, HOW DO THEY APPLY THIS TOWARD? I DEFER TO THE APPLICANT ON THAT.
SO AT THIS TIME, UH, I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING SO THAT, UH, PEOPLE CAN COME FORWARD AND SPEAK.
WHEN YOU COME FORWARD AND SPEAK, IF YOU, WOULD YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN SPEAK TO THE COMMISSIONERS, NOT TO PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE OR ANY PLACE ELSE, JUST UP HERE TO THE COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU WOULD, UH, IS THE APPLICANT HERE.
WOULD YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD AND YOU HAVE 10 MINUTES? UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
FIRST, WE WANT TO START OFF WITH JUST EXPLAINING WHAT THE IT IS.
I'VE NAMED THAT, UM, AS MY CHILDREN, WE HAVE THREE KIDS AND I CALL THEM MY THREE LITTLE CHICLETS AND SPANISH, JUST THAT IS FOR YOU.
THOSE PEOPLE THINK IT'S A RESTAURANT OR SOME WEIRD THING.
JUST MY THREE KIDS AND I NAMED IT AFTER MY THREE CHILDREN.
BUT TO ADDRESS THE QUESTION ON THE LLC SPECIFICALLY, UM, THIS LLC, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, I'M SORRY.
MY NAME IS ROSA VARELLA GRINNELL, MY HUSBAND, JOSHUA GIRDLE.
UH, WE LIVE AT 1 0 6 TRUST TRAIL IN YOUR TOWN.
I ALWAYS FORGET THE ZIP CODES.
UM, AND WE STARTED THIS LLC, I WOULD SAY LAST APRIL.
UM, BECAUSE WE, I HAVE A PASSION FOR REAL ESTATE.
WE HAVE A COMBINED PASSION FOR REAL ESTATE, UM, AND THAT'S JUST SOMETHING WE WANTED TO START DOING, UH, BUYING PROPERTIES AND RENT, RENTING THEM OUT AND JUST FIXING THEM AND DOING THEM PROPERLY, UH, THIS.
SO TO ADDRESS THE LLC CONCERN, WE HAVE SEVERAL PROPERTIES UNDER THE LLC.
SO WE WERE TO SELL THIS PROPERTY, WHICH WE HAVE NO DESIRE TO SELL THIS PROPERTY AT ALL.
WE WANT TO KEEP THIS FOR A VERY LONG, FOR MANY YEARS UNTIL THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, IF NOT GIVE IT TO OUR CHILDREN.
SO NO INTENTION OF SELLING, BUT IF WE WERE TO SELL, IT WOULD NOT BE SOLD UNDER, IT WOULD NOT BE SOLD WITH THE LLC AS PART OF IT, UM, VIA WITH LLC IS A HUSBAND AND WIFE MEMBER MANAGED.
UM, SO IT WOULD NOT BE PART OF WHO WE WERE TO SELL IT.
IT WOULD BE SOLD STRICTLY THE HOME TO A NEW BUYER TITLED UNDER THE NEW BUYER'S INFORMATION, NOT PART OF THE LLC OR NOT WITH THE LLC.
SO THAT WOULD NOT BE A LOOPHOLE WE WOULD DO.
UM, AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO IN WRITING, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO MAKE THAT PART OF THE, THE, UH, SITUATION OF THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS, THE, THE, THE SALE OF THIS HOME WILL NOT INCLUDE THE LLC BECAUSE THAT INCLUDES OTHER HOMES THAT WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN DOING THAT.
AND TO ADDRESS THE QUESTION ABOUT THE MILITARY MEMBERS, I AM PART OF THE LANGLEY SPOUSES, I'M PART OF MANY DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS OR DIFFERENT, UM, GROUPS.
AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES THAT I SEE IS THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE NOT, PEOPLE ARE ON A WAITING LIST FOR OVER A YEAR, IF NOT LONGER, TO GET ON BASE HOUSING.
AND THAT'S A LOT OF PROBLEMS THAT I'M SEEING.
SO, AND PEOPLE, UM, IN FAMILIES, NOT PEOPLE, FAMILIES HAVE EITHER A HARD TIME GETTING INTO HOTELS FOR THAT PERIOD FOR THAT LENGTH OF TIME.
UM, THEY'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, RENTING A PLACE FOR A FEW MONTHS.
UM, SO THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THE, AND THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT PCS
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CYCLES, WHICH IS PERMANENT CHANGE OF STATION CYCLES.UM, AND I, AND I SEE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO HELP THAT SITUATION, UM, WHILE IT IS A TOURIST HOME QUOTE, UNQUOTE, OUR GOAL IS TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THIS AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO FAMILIES THAT COME INTO THE, TO THE CITY THAT ARE STATIONED HERE AND NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR OR SIX MONTHS OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE TO GET ON BASE HOUSING.
THIS IS AN ALTERNATE FORM FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO NOT WORRY ABOUT A ONE-YEAR LEASE WHEN THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, BASED HOUSING IS AVAILABLE WITHIN THREE MONTHS, FOUR MONTHS OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
SO THAT'S OUR BIGGER FOCUS, BUT ADDITIONALLY, THIS IS A HOME THAT'S BEEN ABANDONED FOR OVER FIVE YEARS.
UM, AND WE ARE BRINGING IT BACK TO LIFE.
WE ARE WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE INSPECTORS, UH, MAKING SURE THAT WE HIT EVERY SINGLE TIMELINE AND IT'S A VERY BIG PROJECT AND WE WANT TO BRING IT TO LIFE.
AND WE ALSO WANT TO SHOW THE BEAUTY THAT YORKTOWN HAS TO OFFER.
UM, THIS IS A HISTORY, THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY HERE.
UM, AND WE THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT PEOPLE TO SEE WHAT THIS TOWN HAS TO OFFER IN OUR HOUSE, I THINK IS THE PERFECT LITTLE SETUP WITH THE WOODS, WITH THE SECLUSION, UM, WITH THE WAY THAT I WANT TO DESIGN IT AND, AND, AND, AND, AND FURNITURE, UM, FURNISH IT.
UM, AND I JUST THINK OVERALL, IT WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE FOR FAMILIES BECAUSE THAT'S WAR INTENTION IS, YOU KNOW, IF A FAMILIES COME OUT OF STATE, THEY CAN STAY THERE.
SO WE DON'T EVEN THINK IT'S GOING TO HIT EIGHT PEOPLE OR MORE THAN A VEHICLE.
CAUSE WE JUST INTEND TO RENT IT, TO LEASE IT OUT BY THE DAY OR WHATEVER IT IS, UM, TO FAMILIES SO THEY CAN ENJOY THE SURROUNDING, UH, THE TOWN ITSELF.
SO I THINK THAT HOPEFULLY ADDRESSES BOTH QUESTIONS AND THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD BE ADVERTISING AS WELL, IS, IS MAINLY IN OUR, THE LANGLEY SPOUSES, THE, FOR YOU TO USE TO US ALL THOSE, UM, UH, BASIS.
COMMUNITIES YOU HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS.
I KNOW MR. PETERMAN HAS BEEN CRAZY SAYING, SO HOW WOULD YOU HAVE HER TIES? WOULD YOU PUT IT ON THE WEB OR ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT PRIVATELY? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ADVERTISE? YES, SIR.
UM, I HAVE NOT STARTED LOOKING EXACTLY ANY AWARE.
I THINK AIRBNB IS AN EASY ONE BECAUSE, UM, FROM THE RESEARCH THAT I'VE DONE ON LANGLEY SPOUSE'S WEBSITE, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE FACEBOOK GROUPS AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT PLACES, THAT'S WHERE THEY LOOK, THEY GO TO AIRBNB OR THEY'LL GO TO DIFFERENT HOTELS OR WHATEVER IT IS.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S THE MAIN HUB OF WHERE PEOPLE LOOK FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
SO I THINK WE WOULD, WHAT WE WOULD ADVERTISE ON AIRBNB AND THE BEAUTY OF AIRBNB IS THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO, UM, CHOOSE WHO YOU ALLOW TO STAY IN YOUR, IN YOUR DWELLING.
UM, SO I BELIEVE THAT'S ONE PLACE WE WOULD ADVERTISE AND THEN WORD OF MOUTH AND THE FACEBOOK GROUP, THE SPOUSE, FACEBOOK GROUPS.
WHEN I SEE THAT THEY'RE NEEDING, YOU KNOW, SHORT-TERM RENTALS OF THREE MONTHS IN ORDER TO GET ON BASE HOUSING OR TO PURCHASE YOUR OWN PROPERTY, UM, THOSE NEEDS, UH, IS, IS THOSE ARE THE PLACES THAT WE WOULD ADVERTISE.
YOU SAID YOU HAVE SEVERAL PROPERTIES.
HOW MANY OTHER PROPERTIES DO YOU RENT? EITHER JUST RENT OUT OR AIRBNB? THIS WOULD BE, THIS IS OUR FIRST AIRBNB PERIOD.
WE HAVE NOT, UM, DONE AIRBNB BEFORE.
UM, MAINLY BECAUSE A LOT OF OTHER CITIES OR STATES HAVE WEIRD LAWS OR HAVE NO RULES AT ALL WITH AIRBNB.
THAT MAKES ME A LITTLE BIT UNEASY.
I WANT IT DONE PROPERLY AND WITH APPROVAL.
UM, SO THIS IS OUR FIRST VENTURE.
SO WE OWN IN, OUT IN HERE IN, UM, VIRGINIA, WE OWN OUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
AND THEN, AND WE ARE, SO WE AS A FAMILY, YOU RENT THOSE OTHER THREE.
WE'RE CURRENTLY FIXING ONE AND WE'RE RENTING IT TO A FAMILY, UM, HERE NEXT MONTH AND THEN WE OWN THIS PROPERTY.
I BET YOU'VE NEVER RAN A SHORT-TERM RENTAL BEFORE, BUT THIS IS MORE OF A GENERAL BECAUSE THESE COME UP OFTEN IN THE CALENDAR.
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO YOUR COUNTY RESIDENTS WHO DON'T LIKE THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS AT ALL? AND THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY VERY MUCH AGAINST REALLY, TO A COMPANY THAT COMES IN AND FLIPS A HOUSE AND TURNED IT INTO A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
HOW WILL YOU, HOW WOULD YOU MITIGATE THEIR ANXIETY? I THINK IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN
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IF I WERE TO RENT IT TO A FAMILY FOR THE YEAR.UM, IT'S THE SAME, OR IF NOT LESS NUMBER OF PEOPLE, LESS VEHICLES.
UM, BUT ALSO, BUT UNDERSTANDING THE DIFFERENCE FROM LONG-TERM RENTAL TO A SHORT-TERM RENTAL ONE YEAR VERSUS THREE MONTHS OR A DAY, IS THAT YOU GET TO KNOW THIS PERSON FOR THE YEAR AND THEY TAKE CARE OF THE PROPERTY IS THAT WE'RE LOCAL.
WE HAVE A GOOD TEAM THAT WILL ENSURE THAT THE PROPERTY IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE AT ITS OPTIMAL.
UM, WE S WE WOULD SCREEN ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD WANT TO STAY.
CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE POSSIBILITY, RIGHT? YOU SCREEN EVERYONE.
UM, AND SO WHAT OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE, WHAT WE WOULD TELL THE CITIZENS IS THAT IT'S, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL, TO BE ABLE TO BRING FAMILIES TO COME AND SEE YOU WORKED ON, HAS TO OFFER, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE A VERY WARM, INVITING TOWN, AND THAT JUST SEEMS TO BE PART OF THAT.
THAT IS LET'S, LET'S LET THEM SEE WHAT THIS HAS, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE TOWN HAS TO OFFER.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE.
UM, I, ONE THING I WANT TO ALSO INCLUDE IS, UH, GOING BACK TO THE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED COMMENT ABOUT THE HOME BEING RENOVATED.
UM, AGAIN, WE, WE, THE HOUSE HAS BEEN VACANT FOR FIVE YEARS AND THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT'S GOING INTO THE HOME.
AND I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE, THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND TO GETTING THIS HOME TO A, KIND OF A MARKETABLE VALUE THAT, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE CONTRIBUTING TO THE COUNTY BY THIS, THIS HOME HAS BEEN ESSENTIALLY ROTTING AWAY FOR FIVE OR SIX YEARS.
WE, WE ARE PUTTING LOVE INTO IT, UM, WITH AT LEAST FROM OUR INITIAL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW WE WANT TO ADVERTISE IT.
WE'RE, THIS IS A NEW PROCESS FOR US.
UH WE'RE AGAIN, WE STARTED MAYBE SIX TO SEVEN MONTHS AGO DOING THIS.
UM, OUR INTENTIONS ARE FOR IT TO BE AGAIN, A HOME AND A DWELLING THAT FOLKS CAN GO AND ENJOY AND RELAX.
UM, BASED ON SOME OF THE THINGS WE THOUGHT ABOUT, WHETHER IT'S PRICE POINT ON HOW WE WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, LIST IT PER DAY.
UM, AND THE FOLKS THAT WE LOOK AT AND COMING INTO THE HOME, I THINK, UM, AS FAR AS PEACE OF MIND IS CONCERN, WE ARE NOT GOING TO LET JUST ANYONE INTO THE HOME.
UM, WE HAVE A PERSONALLY INVESTED INTEREST IN THE TENANTS IN THE HOME, UM, AND, AND TO THE COUNTY.
YEAH, NO PARTIES, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE DIFFERENT STIPULATIONS.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF STIPULATIONS THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, OUR GOAL IS REALLY TO HELP, UM, THE FAMILIES THAT NEED A PLACE TO STAY FOR ON BASE OR RENTALS OR BUYING A PROPERTY WHERE THEY HAVE THAT, UM, THAT ABILITY TO NOT SIGN A ONE-YEAR LEASE AND BE STUCK THERE, THAT'S REALLY OUR MAIN GOAL.
UM, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF THAT.
UM, BUT IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AND WE HAVE OTHER APPLICANTS, OTHER PEOPLE THAT WANT TO STAY, THEN WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, TWO DIFFERENT PARTIES OR TWO DIFFERENT FAMILIES OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR VISION IS HAVING A MOM, DAD, AND THEIR CHILDREN, UM, TO ENJOY THE BACKYARD, YOU KNOW, ENJOY ALL, ALL THE HIKING, ALL THE NATURE WALKS THAT ARE IN OUR PROPERTY, UM, AND REALLY MAKING IT A FUN FAMILY ENVIRONMENT FOR, FOR THAT.
UH, YOU KNOW, DID YOU TALK WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS ABOUT THIS? W YES.
SO WE, THE NEIGHBOR ON THE LEFT, SHE IS, WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF BUYING THAT LAND.
IT DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T WORK OUT, BUT THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING SOLD.
UM, WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE NEW OWNERS ARE.
UM, AND THAT'S, THERE IS NO, THERE'S NO DWELLING THERE.
IT IS COMPLETELY CAVED IN JUST IT'S, IT'S AN ABANDONED HOME.
BUT WE DID, WE DID MEET THE, UM, THE OCCUPANTS OF THE HOME THAT IS CURRENTLY OCCUPIED NEARBY.
THEY DON'T OWN THE HOME, BUT THEY ARE LEASING THE HOME.
AND WE'VE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT OUR INTENTIONS ON WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR THE RENOVATIONS AND KIND OF TALK THROUGH SOME OF THEIR EARLY ITERATIONS OF WHAT WE INTENDED TO DO WITH THE HOME.
SO, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE MADE CONTACT WITH THEM AND ESTABLISH SOME RAPPORT WITH THEM AND THEY USE THE PROPERTY AND THE, YOU KNOW, CAUSE IT'S A HIGHLY WOODED AREA FOR HIKING AND FOR A LITTLE BIT OF HUNTING AND BOWING.
UM, AND THEY SEE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ALREADY COME TO THIS, TO THAT LOCATION FOR THOSE PURPOSES OF THOSE, UM, ACTIVITIES.
UH, SO THEY ASKED FOR OUR PERMISSION, IF THEY CAN CONTINUE TO USE THAT PREMISE FOR ALL OF THAT.
SO TO US, IT WAS LIKE, OH, OKAY, ABSOLUTELY.
WHICH THEN GAVE US THE IDEA, WELL, WHY NOT MAKE THIS, UM, WHY NOT ALLOW FAMILIES TO COME AND DO IT? WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE ALREADY DOING, WHICH IS GOING AND HIKING AND THEY ALL COME AND KIND OF USE THE LAND FOR THOSE PURPOSES.
AND THEN I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER COMMISSIONER.
THE, UH, I THINK YOU LIVE ABOUT EIGHT MILES AWAY FROM THIS PROPERTY DOWN VICTORY BOULEVARD, WHATEVER, MAYBE.
SO THAT'S AT LEAST 15, 20 MINUTES OF TRAVEL TIME.
IF SOMETHING, SOMEBODY GIVE YOU A CALL PLUS WAKE UP.
SO YOU'RE A GOOD 30 MINUTES AWAY FROM THE PHONE CALL BEFORE YOU COULD GET OUT TO THE PROPERTY.
DO YOU SEE THAT AS RATHER A LONG TIME? MOST OF OUR,
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MOST OF OUR FOLKS BE HONEST WITH IT, THEY ARE WITHIN A MILE, WELL, NOT WITHIN A MILE, BUT THERE ARE, SOME OF THEM ARE RIGHT NEXT DOOR.SOME OF THEM ARE, THEY JUST BOUGHT A HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO KEEPING THIS BACK AND FORTH, WHICH IS VERY SHORT RESPONSE TIME, BUT HAS BEEN CONCERNS ABOUT THAT WHATSOEVER.
I WOULD NOT CONSIDER IT, UM, AND MAKE THE DRIVE ALL THE TIME.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I LIKED DRIVING AND COMMUTING UP AND DOWN, UH, GEORGE WASHINGTON BOULEVARD.
UM, HOWEVER, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS WE KIND OF CONTINUE TO WORK TOWARDS THIS MILESTONE, UM, FURTHER, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPING OUR RAPPORT WITH OUR NEIGHBORS, I THINK THAT'S ALSO GOING TO BE, UH, MEANS THAT IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY SITUATION, UM, WHILE WE ARE IN OUR, YOU KNOW, IN ROUTE, IF NINE ONE ONE'S NOT ALREADY BEING INVOLVED AND WE'LL, WE CAN LEVERAGE THEIR ASSISTANCE.
IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT, HEY, SOMEONE NOTICED THERE MIGHT BE SMOKE.
SO THAT'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE, WE HOPE TO LEVERAGE, UM, JUST BY BEING GOOD COMMUNITY, A GOOD FELLOWSHIP WITH OUR NEIGHBORS.
UM, BUT TO MAKE THE DRIVE OUT, UM, I WOULD NOT CONSIDER THAT A BURDEN AND ALSO IT TAKES, I THINK, 15 MINUTES AT THE MOST.
I HAVE MR. I ASKED HER A QUESTION.
SO WE HAVE A GOOD SUPPORT SYSTEM.
AND WE INCLUDE IN OUR PLANS IS TO AWESOME FLIP IN OUR NEIGHBOR, UM, TO HAVE A GOOD SUPPORT SYSTEM FOR, FOR OUR PLANS THERE.
AND JUST BECAUSE WE STARTED, YOU KNOW, AND IT JUST LAST PIECE I WANTED TO SAY IS WE W EVEN THOUGH WE'VE STARTED THIS LLC, YOU KNOW, ABOUT A YEAR AGO, WE HAVE BEEN IN THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS, UM, AND DOING REAL ESTATE FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS.
SO WE ARE EXPERIENCED ENOUGH, UM, THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING AND HOW TO HANDLE THIS.
SO I UNDERSTAND THE RULES AND THE LAWS VERY WELL.
UM, AND HE'S A SEASONED, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BOTH IN THE MILITARY ANYWAYS.
THE POINT IS THAT WE WERE VERY EXPERIENCED IN THAT SENSE.
AND IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT NEWBIES THAT ARE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, FIGURE THIS OUT AS WE GO.
WE HAVE EXPERIENCED IN REAL ESTATE ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING AND HOW THE LAW WORKS AND THE RULES WORK.
THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I GUESS.
IS THERE ANY TESTIMONIES FROM CITIZENS THAT WISH TO SPEAK? I THINK I HAVE ONE FOR A, YOU ALREADY.
MOST PEOPLE JUST TURNED HER BACK AND WALK AWAY.
I, YEAH, YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS TOO, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR APP WHERE YOU LIVE AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, ALL RIGHT OUT, I'LL TRY AND SPEAK.
COHERENTLY BEING NERVOUS AND EVERYTHING.
BUT, UM, UH, GARY LOWE WENT 11 BIRCHER ROAD AD JOINING.
WOULD'VE BEEN ON THE BOTTOM OF THAT MAP, BUT, UH, ON, UH, RIGHT OFF THE DAIRY ROAD THERE.
AND MY WIFE IS THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY.
AND HER FATHER OWNS THE IT, UH, ADDITIONAL ONE AT JOINING TO THE LEFT ON THE MAP AND HER BROTHER TO THE LEFT OF THAT AND HER AUNT TO THE LEFT OF THAT.
SO PROBABLY ALL THE NEIGHBORS THERE, AND I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYBODY HAVING ANY CONVERSATIONS, BUT I DO.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS NEIGHBORS GO, HOW MANY, HOW MANY HAVE A BED AND BREAKFAST NEXT DOOR, ANYBODY? AND IT'S, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE A HOTEL THING.
YOU CAN STAY ONE DAY OR A HUNDRED YEARS.
AND THIS WHOLE THING IS FOR, UM, AN EXCEPTION TO THE LAW.
THAT IS A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
AND IT'S, UM, NUMBER THREE APPLICANTS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR OBTAINING ALL APPLICABLE PERMITS IN ACCORDANCE WITH REGULATIONS.
SO THIS IS AN EXCEPTION TO THOSE NORMAL PERMITS ARE NOT SURE HOW THAT WORKS EITHER.
AND AS FAR AS THE HUNTING AND FOUR-WHEELING HIKING AND THOSE ALL TRESPASSING TO ME, WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH THAT BEFORE, BUT I'M JUST NOT CLEAR ON THOSE.
SO THOSE POINTS, AND I GUESS THAT'S MY, MY TESTIMONY TO ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME.
THANK YOU, WOLF, HAVE ONE OTHER REQUEST, UH, GAMEY.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I RESIDE AT 2,303 LAKESIDE DRIVE.
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CURRENTLY THE OWNER OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE APPLICANTS.UM, WE JUST PURCHASED THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
UH, OH, I DON'T, I DON'T, I'M NOT OBJECTIVE TO THIS WHOLE SITUATION, BUT I DO WANT TO, I JUST HAD A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS.
UH, FIRST, UH, I NOTICED, I READ OVER THIS WHOLE PROGRAM AND I WANTED TO MAKE THIS CLARIFY THAT THERE IS A, IT SAYS THAT THERE WILL BE NOBODY WITH THE KNEE WITH ANY MAIL COMING TO THIS.
MAYBE I READ IT WRONG, BUT I'M JUST THINKING TO MYSELF, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE NO MAIL COMING HERE, HOW CAN SOMEONE RESIDE THERE? I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF IT'S UP AIRBNB, WHICH I'M ASSUMING THAT'S, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, WHICH IS OKAY.
UH, I'M JUST WONDERING, THERE SHOULD BE NO MAIL GOING TO THAT LOCATION.
UH, IF IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG-TERM MILITARY FAMILY FOR, OR NOT TERM SHORT TERM, SHORT TERM THREE MONTHS, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE MAIL COMING THERE.
UM, I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THE STRUCTURE BEHIND THAT.
UM, MAINLY I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A MILITARY FAMILY DO THAT.
I'M, I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE MILITARY ON THE SAME HAND.
I DON'T WANT SOMEONE WHO CAN COME IN THERE AND RENT IT WEEKLY AND RENT FOUR ROOMS AT WHICH I UNDERSTAND THE LAW THEY'VE LAID OUT, QUITE FRANKLY, THAT IT'S ONE RENTAL PER FAMILY.
AND I, AND I GET THAT, BUT MY MAIN THING IS I JUST DON'T WANT A BOARDING HOUSE NEXT TO A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT I'M LOOKING TO BUILD MY FUTURE FOREVER HOME FOR MY DAUGHTERS.
AND I, AND I'M ALL FOR PEOPLE DOING BETTER.
I'M GRATEFUL FOR THEIR DOME FOR THE COUNTY.
MY MAIN THING IS I JUST DON'T WANT A BOARDING HOME BESIDE MY FOREVER HOME FOR MY 10 YEAR OLD AND MY 12 YEAR OLD THAT I'M TRYING TO RAISE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, SIR? THANK YOU.
HEY, I NEED TO, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC PRESENTATION PUBLIC HEARING AT THE MOMENT LIVE.
UH, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
RICHARD HOWL 1 0 4 HORSESHOE DRIVE.
UM, SO JUST WANTED TO REITERATE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I HEARD TONIGHT.
UM, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, UH, THE APPLICANTS ARE BOTH MILITARY, UM, OPERATING THIS REAL ESTATE BUSINESS UNDER AN LLC.
SO AS MILITARY MEMBER, THEY'RE SUBJECT TO BEING RELOCATED.
SO MY QUESTION BECOMES, I MEAN, IT'S BAD ENOUGH THAT WE'RE 7.8 7.9 MILES AWAY.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY'RE A THOUSAND MILES AWAY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COUNTRY OR IN ANOTHER COUNTRY? SO, UM, WE HAVE ALREADY BROUGHT UP THE ONE ISSUE ABOUT THE LLC AND THE TRANSFER OF THE PROPERTY AND THE LLC COULD OR COULD NOT GO WITH IT.
THEY'LL MAKE A STIPULATION TO THAT.
BUT AS A MILITARY MEMBER, UH, I HAVING SERVED MANY, MANY YEARS.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT, UH, ROTATION SYSTEM IS LIKE.
AND SO I WOULD THINK AND HOPE THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO CONSIDER THIS, UH, THERE'LL BE A STIPULATION INCLUDED THAT SAYS IF YOU MOVE ANY FURTHER AWAY FROM THIS PROPERTY THAT WOULD CONSTITUTE, UH, THE LOSS OR THE WITHDRAWAL OF THIS SUP UH, AS A MINIMUM.
UM, I THINK THERE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, WHAT THE NEIGHBORS REALLY HAVE TO SAY.
UH, DIDN'T COME ACROSS EARLIER.
UH, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT'S, UM, QUITE WHAT IT WAS MADE OUT TO BE.
SO I ASK YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THOSE FACTS AS WELL.
UM, I THINK THAT'S MY, MY BIGGEST CONCERNS, WHETHER OTHERS, BUT YOU'VE HEARD THEM ALL BEFORE, SO I WON'T GO INTO THAT, BUT, UH, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO PLEASE BE SURE TO CONSIDER THOSE CONCERNS.
IS THERE ANY OTHER PEOPLE THAT WISH TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS APPLICATION? OKAY.
NOW I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN UP TO THE COMMISSIONERS TO DISCUSS THE APPLICATION.
IF I MAY, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR COUNSEL OF THIS APPLICATION.
I THOUGHT WE COULD START WITH THAT AND CLARIFY.
SO THIS IS A NOTE I RECEIVED TODAY AND I'VE FORWARDED, UH, BEFORE THE MEETING, UH, WHEN A RENTAL PROPERTY IS OWNED BY A BUSINESS ENTITY, AT LEAST ONE CARD HAS HELD THAT BUSINESSES CAN NEVER RESIDE THERE IN, BUT CAN ONLY CONDUCT BUSINESS UNDERLYING PROPOSITION IN THESE, UH, OPINIONS IS THAT WHENEVER A PROPERTY IS BEING USED AS A PERMANENT OR LONG-TERM RESIDENTS WOULD RATHER CONDUCTING A SHORT-TERM RENTAL BUSINESS IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH RESIDENTIAL USE.
AND THAT WAS AN ONLINE, UM, UH, UH, LAW, UH, ARTICLE FROM EMORY.
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RICHARD TO COMMENT ON THAT, WHETHER IT HAS ANY APPLICATION IN THIS CASE WHERE WE HAVE AN LLC, UH, PROPOSING, UH, AT STR.SO, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE ARTICLE, I DID HAVE A CHANCE TO READ, UM, SOME OF IT, UH, I DIDN'T DIGEST THE ENTIRE THING CAUSE I GOT IT ABOUT AN HOUR HALF BEFORE THIS MEETING.
UH, THE GIST OF IT THOUGH, IS IT, IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS PARTICULAR CASE BECAUSE WHAT IT, WHAT IT, WHAT IT'S, WHAT THEY ARE, WHAT THE PARTICULAR ARTICLE INVOLVED IS A IT'S IT'S ALSO THEORETICAL.
UM, AND IT, THE, THERE WAS A COURT CASE THAT WAS THAT YOU HAD WANTED ME TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE ADS OUT OF THE ARIZONA COURT OF APPEALS.
BUT WHAT THAT CASE HAS TO DO WITH IS WHETHER, UM, UH, HOA OR OTHER COMMON INTEREST COMMUNITIES CAN EX CAN EXCLUDE, UH, STRS BASED ON THE, WHETHER THEY'RE CONSISTENT WITH THE RESIDENTIAL USE OF THOSE HOS AND OTHER COMMUNITIES.
SO THAT'S NOT REALLY APPLICABLE TO OUR PARTICULAR SITUATION.
AND THEN THERE WAS A LARGER ISSUE ABOUT WHETHER, AS I UNDERSTOOD THE QUESTION, WHETHER OR NOT, UH, AN LLC CAN PROPERLY RESIDE IN A RESIDENCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND I, I, THAT HASN'T, THAT'S REALLY NOT APPLICABLE HERE EITHER BECAUSE THE ISSUE IS THE OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY AND UNDER VIRGINIA LAW, UM, AN LLC CAN OWN PROPERTY AND I'D BE WILLING TO BET.
IF YOU GO TO THE PROPERTY RECORDS IN YOUR COUNTY, YOU WOULD FIND MANY, MANY, MANY RESIDENCES THAT ARE OWNED BY LLCS.
SOME PEOPLE OWN RESIDENCES IN LLC.
SOME PEOPLE OWN THEM THROUGH, UM, PROBABLY SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM OWN THEM AS REVOCABLE LIVING TRUSTS.
UM, INTER-VIVOS TRUSTS, FAMILY TRUSTS CORPORATIONS, UM, AND SPECIFICALLY UNDER VIRGINIA LAW, AN LLC IS ALLOWED TO OWN PROPERTY.
IT'S ALLOWED TO, UH, PUT IN APPLICATIONS FOR USES OF PROPERTY IT'S SPECIFICALLY PROVIDED FOR UNDER VIRGINIA LAW AS AN LLC.
SO THERE WOULD BE ZERO RESTRICTIONS ON AN LLC, UH, OWNING LAND, APPLYING FOR A USE, RUNNING A BUSINESS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, AS LONG AS THE LLC IS IN THIS, IN THIS INSTANCE IS ESSENTIALLY TREATED AS IF IT WAS AN INDIVIDUAL OR A PERSON FOR THAT PURPOSE.
I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION AND CLARIFIES.
UM, I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH, UH, THIS APPLICATION IN THAT, UM, THE APPLICANTS LIVE OF THE LONG DISTANCE AWAY.
MY CONSIDERED MY THOUGHT IS EIGHT MILES IS, UH, TOO FAR FOR A WHOLE FAMILY, A WHOLE, UH, STRUCTURE SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
UM, THEIR IDEA OF RENTING FOR MILITARY PERSONNEL ARE, ARE, UH, VERY GOOD.
I JUST DON'T FEEL THAT THE SITUATION IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, WE IS VERY FLUID RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND THERE'S JUST DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT TO ME TO, UM, PROCEED WITH, UH, THIS APPLICATION.
UM, I DON'T FEEL THERE'S ENOUGH, UH, BACKSTOPS THERE, IF SOMETHING WOULD GO WRONG.
SO, UM, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION.
UM, I APPLAUD, UH, AS MR PETERMAN SAID, I APPLAUD HELPING OUT VETERANS.
WE HAVE SEVERAL VETERANS ON THIS COMMITTEE INCLUDING MYSELF, SO I DO SUPPORT THAT, UH, OR WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO FOR THEM.
HOWEVER, I'VE GOT SIMILAR CONCERNS AS MR. PETERMAN.
AND IN ADDITION, WE HAVE A SITUATION HERE WHERE BOTH ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PROPERTY, UH, PERSPECTIVE PERSON, THAT'S GOING TO BUILD A HOME FOR THEMSELVES AND A NEIGHBOR ON THE OTHER SIDE.
AND THE APPLICANT TALKED ABOUT USING THE PROPERTY FOR TRAILS, AND I HEARD HUNTING AND I HEARD HIKING AND, AND THE INDIVIDUAL THAT OWNS MOST OF THE PROPERTIES, SURROUNDED IT AND TRESPASSING TO HIM.
SO, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE LLC CONCERNS AND, UH, THE CONCERNS OF THE DISTANCE, UH, I DON'T FEEL RIGHT ABOUT IT EITHER.
AND, UH, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS.
UM, ALL'S I CAN, I CAN JUST SAY, I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
I THINK THIS IS THE WRONG VENUE TO ADVERTISE THIS.
I THINK THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO REACH MILITARY PERSONNEL.
I, I HAVE A VRVO IN CAROLINA, IT'S A VACATION HOME AND I JUST HAVE A FEELING.
THAT'S WHAT IT IS, PEOPLE IN PEOPLE OUT.
AND SO I TOO AM UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS AND THE FACT THAT IT WOULD BE OWNED, NOT INDIVIDUALLY, AND I HAVE SEVERAL RENTAL
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PROPERTIES.SO I UNDERSTAND THE LLC THING TOO, BUT THEY'RE LONG-TERM RENTALS.
SO I'M VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS APPLICATION.
YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T CALL IT CERTAINLY AS WE'VE DISCUSSED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, THROUGH THE STEERING COMMITTEE, THERE, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT WE RETAIN OR MAINTAIN AFFORDABLE HOUSING? THE MORE OF THIS CONCEPT THAT I SEE WHERE BUSINESSES WOULD COME IN AND BUY UP, UH, AVAILABLE HOUSING AND CONVERT IT TO SHORT TERM RENTAL, IT'S JUST INCONSISTENT WITH WHERE I THINK THE COMP PLAN DRIVES US TO.
AND FOR THAT REASON, I CAN'T SUPPORT ALL GOOD COMMENTS.
AND I SHARE MOST OF THOSE COMMENTS WITH YOU KIND OF CONCISELY.
THERE'S SOME ISSUES WITH THE LLC OWNING THE PROPERTY.
I THINK WHETHER THERE'S ISSUES WITH THE DISTANCE BETWEEN WHERE THE PROPERTY IS AND WHERE THE OWNERS OF THE LLC RESIDE RESPONSE TIMES, THERE THERE'S ISSUES WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, NOT LIKING IT FROM THE TRAILS AND THE HUNTING AND THE TRESPASSING AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
ALL THOSE ARE RATHER THREE RED FLAGS THAT COME UP, AND THOSE ARE THE REASONS I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS? NO.
DO I HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, UPP 93, 22, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION PC 22 DASH SIX.
WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? THE MOTION, BUT I MISSED HER WHOLE RIGHT.
IS TO ADOPT PC 22 DASH SIX, TWO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A TOURIST TOWN.
AND THEN THE EXISTING DWELLING LOCATED AT 5 33 ALLEN'S MILL ROAD.
NO, MR. DUST? NO, THE MOTION FAILS.
UH, WHEN WILL THIS GO BEFORE THE BOARD, MR. CHAIRMAN? AGAIN, WE DON'T ALWAYS KNOW THAT MY GUESS IS THAT THIS ONE WON'T GO INTO TO THE BOARD UNTIL THEIR APRIL 19TH MEETING.
WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DON'T CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING YET.
NOW WE'RE MOVING ON TO THE NEXT STEP.
[Application No. UP-984-22, Locke Supply Company]
MOVE ON TO IT.GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS APPLICATION IS FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE A WHOLESALE TRADE ESTABLISHMENT WITH OUTSIDE STORAGE AT ONE 18 WALDEN MILL ROAD.
THE APPLICANT HAS LOCKED SUPPLY COMPANY.
SO A DISTRIBUTOR WHOLESALE AND RETAIL DISTRIBUTOR OF HPAC EQUIPMENT, ELECTRICAL PLUMBING, PRODUCTS, AND TOOLS.
THE PROPERTY IS THE OLD, UH, FORMER KINGSGATE GREEN SHOPPING CENTER AT THE CORNER OF MOORE TOWN ROAD AND WALLER MILL ROAD.
UH, SOME MIGHT KNOW IT BETTER AS THE BIG KMART SHOPPING CENTER.
UH, KMART MOVED OUT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO SINCE THEN THAT SHOPPING CENTER BUILDING HAS BEEN PARTIALLY FILLED BY THE OLLIE'S BARGAIN OUTLET AND, UH, ASHLEY HOMESTORE.
AND SO IT LOCKS SUPPLY COMPANY IS LOOKING TO LEASE THE REMAINING, ROUGHLY ONE THIRD OF THAT BUILDING ABOUT 37,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, FOR THEIR OPERATION.
UM, THE, UH, UH, THE REASON WE HAVE THE USE PART REQUIREMENT OR WHY WE HAVE A USE PERMIT APPLICATION IS THAT IS THE OUTSIDE STORAGE WHOLESALE TRADE ESTABLISHMENT WITHOUT OUTSIDE STORAGE WOULD BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THE GENERAL BUSINESS ZONING DISTRICT, BUT IN THIS CASE, UH, BUT, UH, BUT WHEN THERE'S OUTSIDE STORAGE, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED.
THE, UM, PROPERTY ZONE GENERAL BUSINESS SURROUNDING USES HER ALL COMMERCIAL, A COUPLE OF MOTELS, TIMESHARE RESORT, MINIATURE GOLF, UH, UH, COURSE, UH, A, UH, OFFICE BUILDING AND THE, UH, FORMER, UH, DAIRY QUEEN.
THAT WAS THE SUBJECT OF ONE OF YOUR APPLICATIONS OF LAST MONTH.
UM, THE, UH, SPACE THAT THEY PLAN TO LEASE IS OUTLINED IN GREEN, UH, ON THESE ZONING MAP HERE.
AND THIS IS AN AERIAL PHOTO OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, IN THIS CASE, THE, UH, THE, UH, OUTSIDE STORAGE AREA IS OUTLINED IN RED.
UH, WHAT THEY PLAN TO USE FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE
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IS, UH, WAS FORMERLY USED BY KMART AS PART OF THEIR GARDEN SHOP, WHERE THEY HAD OUTSIDE, UH, STORAGE, UH, OF GOODS, MULCH, UH, GRASS, SEED TOOLS, GARDEN TOOLS, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.UM, AND AS YOU'LL SEE, UH, IT IS A, HERE'S A, HERE'S A VIEW OF THE SHOPPING CENTER FROM MORRISTOWN ROAD.
AND THEN HERE IS THE, UH, THE PART OF THE BUILDING THAT, UH, THEY WOULD BE OCCUPYING AT LEAST A PORTION OF IT.
YOU CAN SEE THE OUTSIDE STORAGE AREA IS, UH, FULLY ENCLOSED BY BRICK WALLS THAT ARE EIGHT FEET HIGH.
SO, UH, ANYTHING STORED WITHIN THAT AREA WOULD NOT BE VISIBLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, APART FROM THE, YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE GATE THERE IN THE FRONT, UH, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYTHING WOULD BE FULLY SCREENED AND NOTHING WOULD BE STORED ABOVE, UH, UH, STORAGE COULD NOT EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF THOSE EIGHT FOOT WALLS.
WE'VE INCLUDED THAT IT'S A PROPOSED CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
UM, THE, A STORAGE YARD IS A LITTLE OVER 9,000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
AGAIN, IT'S AN EXISTING STORAGE YARD.
UH, THEY JUST WANT TO, UH, PERMISSION TO USE IT BASICALLY.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON THAT THE, THAT WE HAVE THIS USE PERMIT APPLICATION, AS I MENTIONED, NOTHING WOULD BE STORED ABOVE THE HEIGHT OF THOSE WALLS.
UH, SO GIVEN THAT, UH, AT STORAGE WOULD BE FULLY SCREENED AND, UH, WE DON'T BELIEVE PLAY THERE, BE ANY IMPACTS ON SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS IN, UH, RESOLUTION PC 22 DASH SEVEN.
UH, MR. BORNE, UH, IS HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF BLOCK SUPPLY COMPANY.
UH, HAVING TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE FOR ME AT THIS TIME.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION, MR. CROSS YOUR PICTURE.
NUMBER THREE, WHEN I WAS UP THERE THIS WEEKEND AND LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY, UH, TWO SECTIONS OF THAT WALL ARE DOWN THE ONES CLOSEST TO WHERE IT SAYS GARDEN SHOP THERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF HE'D BEEN UP THERE AND SAW THOSE, THOSE TWO SECTIONS OF WALLS WERE DOWN TO ABOUT A ONE FOOT, TWO FOOT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, NO ANYTHING OR THEY MAYBE I'LL ASK THE, YEAH, BECAUSE I'M NOT, UH, OBVIOUSLY I TOOK, UH, THESE LONGER AGO THAN THAT.
I'M SURE THE APPLICANT WILL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT.
UM, UH, OBVIOUSLY IF THAT'S AN ISSUE, IT'S, THE RESOLUTION COULD BE MODIFIED.
I SUSPECT THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE A RESPONSE TO THAT.
WHAT GIVES THEM A HEADS UP? OKAY.
THANK YOU, MS. CROSS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, SIR.
IS THAT THE ONLY INGRESS EGRESS RIGHT THERE? AND HOW WIDE IS THAT AREA? RIGHT? THAT GATE? UH, THE GATE, UH, I DIDN'T MEASURE IT.
UH, IT LOOKS TO BE ABOUT A 10, 12 FEET WIDE.
UH, YEAH, MIKE BOURNE, IF YOU WILL COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU'LL HAVE 10 MINUTES, IS THAT ALL? OKAY.
I CAN DO LIKE THE GENERAL VIEJA.
WE'LL JUST PUT THE FIRST ONE IN THE LAST ONE.
UH, MIKE BORN, UH, TWO EIGHT, B 84TH STREET, VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA.
UM, AND I'M THE, UH, VP OF EAST OPERATIONS FOR BLOCK SUPPLY? UM, I WANT TO KIND OF SHOW YOU WHAT WE DO WITH THESE PROPERTIES.
WE, WE LIKE BIG BOX PROPERTIES, UM, CLEAN THEM UP.
THERE'S A LOT OF VACANT PROPERTIES LIKE THIS OLD K-MART RIGHT HERE.
THIS WAS ACTUALLY, UM, WAS IT A GORMAN'S DEPARTMENT STORE IN COLONIAL HEIGHTS, VIRGINIA THAT WE JUST DID.
SO WE, WE CLEANED THEM UP QUITE A BIT.
SO THAT'D BE SIMILAR TO THE SIDE INTERESTS WE HAVE AND THAT ONE IS S STILL COLONIAL HEIGHTS.
THAT'S AN END CAP, JUST LIKE THIS.
UH, THIS KMART IS, UM, THAT'S ALSO THE END CAP AT COLONIAL HEIGHTS.
THIS IS OUR, WE, WE TOOK THE GORMANS DEPARTMENT STORE IN TAPPAHANNOCK, VIRGINIA.
YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH TAPPAHANNOCK AND THE OLD GORDON THAT THAT WHOLE COMPLEX WAS IN BAD SHAPE.
WE'VE COME IN AND WE'RE OPENING THAT ONE RIGHT NOW.
SO THIS IS A VERY SIMILAR LOOK TO IT.
WE TEND TO, YOU KNOW, WE WILL DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO SCREEN THESE YARDS IN TAPPAHANNOCK.
THEY, UH, THE COUNTY WANTED US TO PUT YOU GUYS, ARE YOU SEEING IT UP THERE? OKAY.
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I THOUGHT YOU WERE LOOKING AT IT.SO, UM, IN TAPPAHANNOCK, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SEE THESE, THESE PIPE YARDS ARE FULL AND YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING ABOVE THE FENCE.
WE DON'T WANT, UH, PEOPLE TRYING TO CRAWL OVER OUR FENCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT TOO.
BUT THIS KIND OF GIVES THIS ONE RIGHT HERE THAT, UH, THAT'S THE ONE UP IN COLONIAL HEIGHTS.
SO INSIDE THE STORAGE YARD, IT'S VERY NEATLY PACKED IN THERE.
THIS IS WHAT THE INSIDE THE STORES LOOK LIKE.
I TRY LIKE TO KIND OF COMPARE OUR STORES.
THERE THERE'S THREE BRANCHES IN EACH ONE OF THESE CENTERS, THERE'S THAT HPAC, BRANCH ELECTRICAL, AND THEY ALL FUNCTION SEPARATELY.
UH, YOU CAN'T GO INTO THE HPAC SIDE AND CARRY SOMETHING OVER THE PLUMBING, RIGHT? OUR CUSTOMERS TEND TO BE SMALL ENTREPRENEURS, ONE AND TWO, FIVE TRUCK KIND OF, UH, UH, ELECTRICIANS AND HPAC TECHNICIANS.
UM, WE'LL HAVE ABOUT 15 TO 18 EMPLOYEES.
THESE ARE, THESE ARE WELL-PAID JOBS FOR THE COUNTY.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, YOU'D PROBABLY ANTICIPATE $8 MILLION IN REVENUE, UM, FOR, FOR THE COUNTY AS WELL.
SO WE, YOU KNOW, THE INSIDE OF THE STORE IS WE TYPICALLY TAKE IT ALL THE WAY THE WALLS, UM, LED LIGHTING.
THESE ARE SOME OF OUR STORES IN OKLAHOMA, SOME OF THE OLDER ONES, YOU CAN SEE HOW WE'VE GONE TOO FAR, SO WE CAN SEE HOW WE'VE KIND OF CHANGED OUR LOOK TO BE MORE LIKE THIS THAT YOU SEE OVER HERE.
SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IN THAT, IN THAT LOCATION, WE TEND TO STAY IN PLACES FOR A LONG TIME.
OUR TYPICAL LEASES WHEN WE LEASE A PROPERTY ARE 10 TO 12 YEARS.
UH, SO OUR, OUR EMPLOYEES TEND TO STAY WITH US A VERY LONG TIME.
SO IT'S, UH, IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO WORK.
UM, BEEN IN BUSINESS 65 YEARS STARTED IN OKLAHOMA.
WE HAVE 180 CENTER LOCATIONS, REALLY KIND OF A LOW KEY COMPANY.
WE DON'T, UH, DO A LOT OF ADVERTISING AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
WE JUST GO ABOUT DOING OUR BUSINESS AND KIND OF A HUMBLE COMPANY.
WE'LL SERVICE THIS LOCATION TOO.
THERE'S A, WE HAVE A MILLION SQUARE FEET, A DISTRIBUTION CENTER IN OKLAHOMA CITY, AND WE BACK HAUL A LOT OF OUR OWN EQUIPMENT.
SO SOUTH NORTH AND SOUTH CAROLINA IS WHERE WE GET OUR WATER HEATERS AND AIR CONDITIONING UNITS.
SO WE ACTUALLY DO OUR OWN TRUCKING.
SO WE BRING MATERIAL TO VIRGINIA, AND THEN WE BACK HAUL THAT FREIGHT, UM, KEEPS, UH, EMPTY TRUCKS FROM GOING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD.
ONCE THE GUESTS THAT WE'RE EMPLOYEE OWNED AND LIKE FROM 2017 TO 2020, WE'VE BEEN OKLAHOMA'S TOP PLACE TO WORK.
SO THAT'S A LITTLE OVERVIEW OF WHO WE ARE.
ANY QUESTIONS, JUST A COUPLE, LIKE IF BEING FAMILIAR WITH, WITH, UH, FORMER, UH, KMART FACILITIES, THE, THE, UH, COVERED AREA THAT YOU'RE GONNA USE IN THE FRONT, COME IN, I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE FOR RETAIL USE AND CUSTOMER ENTRANCE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FOR FORKLIFTS GOING IN AND OUT COMMERCIAL VEHICLES GOING IN AND OUT.
THAT'S STRICTLY FOR PEDESTRIAN.
YEAH, IT WILL BE W WE'LL LOAD IN WITH A FORKLIFT.
UH, BUT WE KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE A CUSTOMER THERE'S TRUCKS, NOT GONNA BE GOING IN AND OUT OF THERE.
W WE'LL WE'LL CARRY THE PRODUCT OUT TO THEM.
A TYPICAL, A TYPICAL CELL FOR US IS JUST THREE OR FOUR PIECES OF PIPE.
YOU'VE SEEN THE GUYS GOING ON THE ROAD WITH THE PIPES ON THE TRUCKS.
AND, UH, WITH THE FACILITY 140,000 SQUARE FEET, I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME PRETTY LARGE RETAIL EQUIPMENT OR SUPPLIES.
SO IS THAT HOW DO YOUR COMMERCIAL VEHICLES, OR ARE THEY GOING TO BE LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY? I'M ASSUMING WE DIDN'T ADDRESS THE PARKING.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE HIDDEN FROM, UH, WE'RE TAKING 37,000 SQUARE FEET.
ALI'S IS ALREADY ALI'S AND ASHLEY FURNITURE HAVE RED.COM.
WE'LL HAVE, UM, I THINK THERE WAS A PICTURE IN HERE.
WE'LL WE'LL HAVE, UH, THREE OR FOUR TRUCKS.
SO THERE'LL BE ON THE FRONT SIDE OF THE BELARUS NOTE BANK.
PARKING ON, THERE'LL BE ON THE SIDE, THE DECIDE IN CAP, IF, UH, IF YOU LOOKED AT TIM'S DRAWING, UM, IT WOULD BE DOWN THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
CAUSE THE FRONT, THE FRONT IS ACTUALLY WHERE THE GARDEN CENTER IS TODAY.
I DO HAVE MY QUESTION WHEN I WAS UP THERE AND I SAW THOSE TWO SECTIONS OF THAT WALL DOWN.
THEY WERE DOWN TO LOOK, I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY BACKED INTO THEM OR WHAT, BUT I PLAN ON PUTTING THEM BACK UP OR RE REDESIGNING THEM IN GRAY IS, UM, GREAT.
HE'S UH, WITH THE BUILDING OWNER COME UP.
COULD SHE COME UP AND SPEAK, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND ET CETERA,
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BUT GOOD EVENING.UM, I LIVE AT TWO 10 MISTLETOE DRIVE AND NEWPORT NEWS, VIRGINIA.
UM, I AM THE GENERAL MANAGER OF A COMPANY, A CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT FIRM NAMED TAYLOR CONSTRUCTION BASED IN VIRGINIA BEACH.
UH, WE CAME INTO PARTNERSHIP WITH THE, UH, PRINCIPAL OWNERS OF THE SHOPPING CENTER ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO.
AND THROUGH THAT PARTNERSHIP AND HELPED MANAGE THE CONSTRUCTION, UH, AND TENANT OUTFIT OF ALI'S HOME STORE OR ALI'S AND ASHLEY'S ASHLEY HOMESTORE, UM, WORKING WITH THE KARATE STUDIO AND SEVERAL OTHER TENANTS TO HELP INFILL THAT SPACE.
UM, WHEN WE CAME INTO PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CENTER OWNERSHIP, THE CENTER HAD JUST UNDER 20% OCCUPANCY, UM, PARKING LOT LIGHTING WAS DEFECTIVE.
UH, CAN IT BE LETTING WAS DEFECTIVE? UM, THEIR RELATIONSHIP OF THE PROPERTY WAS A, WAS A PROPERTY LANDOWNER.
THEY HAD TO LANDLEASE TO KMART CENTER FOR ALMOST 40 YEARS, UH, AND 40, UH, AT THE END OF THAT 40 YEAR LAND LEASE, THE CENTER SORT OF WENT AND DISREPAIR.
SO, UH, WE'VE BEEN ENGAGED, LIKE I SAID, FOR TWO YEARS AND FROM PARKING LOT LIGHTING TO NEW SEAL COATING NEW STRIPING, UM, TO CANOPY LIGHTING TO, UH, I THINK ROUGHLY WE'RE ALMOST AT 80% TENANCY RIGHT NOW WITH LOCKE SUPPLY.
UM, SO WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF TENANTS, UM, IN PROCESS THROUGH SOME DIFFERENT BROKERAGE RELATIONSHIPS AND WE HOPE TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT OCCUPIED IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.
SO, UM, I THINK THERE WAS A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, THE OUT OF THE EXTERIOR PERIMETER, UM, SPACE AND THE TWO OPENINGS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.
UM, THERE ARE, THERE WAS A REQUEST BY THE, THE BUILDING OWNERSHIP TO OPEN TWO SECTIONS OF THAT BRICK WALL TO SERVICE AS A GATE.
UM, WE WOULD BUILD A GATE, UM, THAT WOULD BE A BUY SWING GATE, UH, BE EIGHT FEET IN HEIGHT.
UM, IT WOULD PROTECT THE AREA, JUST LIKE THE BRICK WALL, UM, LOCK SUPPLY, AND, AND MIKE CAN ADDRESS THIS, BUT, UM, THAT IS ONE AREA OF LOAD IN LOAD OUT OF M A MATERIAL.
SO THE CURRENT GATE, UM, IT SAYS 12 FEET AND THE APPLICATION, I THINK IT ACTUALLY MEASURED MEASURES AROUND EIGHT FEET.
UM, SO THAT'S NOT QUITE WIDE ENOUGH FOR A FORKLIFT TRAFFIC.
ALL THAT SAID WE ARE INSTALLING A 20 BY 20 GARAGE DOOR, UH, AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY BEHIND THE CENTER.
SO LARGE TRUCK OFFLOADING, UM, LARGE FORKLIFT OFFLOADING WOULD HAPPEN BEHIND THE CENTER, SORT OF SHADOWED FROM THE PUBLIC.
I'M HAVING A LITTLE BIT HARD TIME GETTING MY MIND AROUND IT, THAT WALL.
AND YOU HAD, YOU COULD PARK BESIDE IT WHERE THERE'S TWO PANELS ARE DOWN.
I KNOW YOU CAN PULL, I PULLED IN THERE AND PARK.
SO THAT'S NOW GOING TO BECOME A, A DOOR OF SOME KIND.
THERE'S STILL EIGHT FEET, EIGHT FEET TALL OPEG LAND.
SO HE CAN GET FORKLIFT TRAFFIC IN OR OUT, PROBABLY A TRUCKS.
WILL WE BE PARKED THERE SO THAT YOU UNLOAD BY FORKLIFT AND THEN TAKE ITEMS IN? IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
THAT THE PRODUCT THAT WE'RE HANDLING IS ANYWHERE FROM 10 FEET WIDE TO 20 FEET WIDE.
SO WE HAVE TO GET THAT THROUGH THAT LITTLE SECTION RIGHT THERE.
SO WE WANT IT TO BE OPAQUE TOO, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE LOOKING ON THERE.
SO PAY IT, IT'LL ROLL IN THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, CHAIN LINK FENCE ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND TO CLARIFY, I THINK THE ARRANGEMENT OF THE BUILDING IS SLIGHTLY CONFUSING.
UM, THE WAY THAT YOU PULL UP THE CENTER WHERE YOU PARK THIS WEEKEND, OR THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS, ASHLEY'S, UM, IN ALI'S BOOSTS FACE, BOTH FACE THE MAIN PARKING AREA.
UM, THE WAY THAT THIS, UH, SPACE WOULD BE, UH, ALIGNED IS HIS PATRONS.
HIS CUSTOMERS WOULD APPROACH IT FROM MORE TOWN ROAD.
SO WE'D HAVE THREE STOREFRONTS THAT WOULD APPROACH THE SIDE PARKING LOT.
UM, SO IN ESSENCE, THE CURRENT GARDEN CENTER WOULD BE THE RIGHT HAND OF THEIR SPACE OR, UM, NOT SORT OF FORWARD FACING WITH THEIR CUSTOMERS, BUT YET, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THERE'S FLEMISH BOND AROUND THE CENTER.
WE REWRAPPED ALL THE TRIM AROUND THE CENTER OF THE GATE TRIM WE'LL MATCH WHAT WE'VE DONE AROUND THE CENTER.
SO I THINK IT'LL BLEND IN QUITE NICELY.
MR. ALBERT, CHEERS BEING STORED IN THAT OUTDOOR AREA.
I DID CATCH THE FIRST PART OF THE FLAMMABLE MATERIAL.
THAT'S THE DOOR AREA? NO, SIR.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY HAZARDOUS MATERIALS.
TYPICAL FOR YOUR TYPE OF A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT, DO YOU TAKE, UM, OLD EQUIPMENT? SO WHEN YOU'RE REPLACING FURNACES, WATER HEATERS, AIR CONDITIONERS, THAT TYPE OF THING.
DO YOU TAKE THE RETURNS IN OTHER WORDS, ARE YOU SURE? PLEASE NOTE.
OKAY, SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LOOK LIKE OTHER FACILITIES YEAH.
UH, SO WE'RE, WE STRICTLY SELL TO INSTALLERS AND,
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YOU KNOW, WE DON'T BRING TECH, UH, DAMAGED EQUIPMENT OR GOOD.I HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, NO OTHER QUESTIONS.
IS THERE ANY ONE ELSE OUT THERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION? OKAY.
SO I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS APPLICATION, OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND YEAH, I I'M VERY IN FAVOR OF THIS.
I MEAN, WE'RE TAKING A VACANT FACILITY DOING IMPROVEMENTS TO IT.
I THINK IT'S VERY COMPATIBLE TO THE EXISTING, UH, ESTABLISH ONCE THERE.
SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS APPLICATION IS TOLERANT.
ANYTIME WE OPEN UP A NEW HARDWARE STORE IN TOWN, I'VE GONE FOR ABOUT TWO DAYS.
I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU THERE'S GOING TO BE ISSUES AROUND HOME, BUT OTHERWISE I APPROVE MR. .
UM, I'M FULLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS, UH, TAKING OVER, UH, A PLACE THAT'S OPEN, UH, DERELICT AND FIXING IT UP IS, UH, SOUNDS WONDERFUL FOR YOUR COUNTY.
I'VE HEARD MR. CHAIRMAN I'M IN FAVOR AND THANK YOU.
COMING FROM OKLAHOMA TO VIRGINIA AND BRINGING YOUR BUSINESS WELCOME MISLEADING.
I, I CONCUR WITH EVERYBODY'S OPINION.
SOUNDS LIKE A REALLY GOOD IDEA.
YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION ON THAT OR THAT WALL.
SO, UH, IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS, UH, HAVE A MOTION.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVED THAT, UH, WE ADOPT PC 22 DASH SEVEN.
HAVE A ROLL CALL FOR THE MOTION BY MR. KING IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A WHOLESALE TRADE ESTABLISHMENT WITH OUTDOOR STORAGE IN THE FORMER KING GATE GREEN SHOPPING CENTER LOCATED AT ONE 18 WALLER MILL ROAD.
MR. KING, MR. SMITH, MR. PETERMAN, MR. HOLROYD.
AND AGAIN, HE'LL COME BEFORE THE BOARD, SOMETIME IN APRIL, MAY.
I'M GUESSING THIS ONE MIGHT ACTUALLY GO TO THE BOARD MARCH 15TH, MARCH 15TH.
BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE.
[Application No. UP-985-22, Angela and Gregory Walters]
NEXT STEP.THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A TOURIST HOME IN AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING LOCATED AT 4 0 7 FENTON MILL ROAD.
IF GRANTED THE APPLICANTS WILL MAKE ONE BEDROOM IN THEIR HOME AVAILABLE TO GUESTS, THE 2.3 ACRE PROPERTY LOCATED IN THE OLD QUAKER ESTATE SUBDIVISION IS ZONED RURAL RESIDENTIAL.
THE SURROUNDING PARCELS ARE ZONED RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY TO THE NORTHEAST AND SOUTH ARE FOR SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES TO THE WEST.
AND BEYOND THAT IS A LARGE UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY.
LET'S TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING PARCELS, STARTING WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE NORTH HERE WHERE VIEWING THE HOME ON THAT PROPERTY FROM THE GRAVEL DRIVE THAT RUNS ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THERE ARE TWO HOMES LOCATED TO THE EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY STARTING IN THE NORTHEAST.
YOU CAN JUST BARELY SEE THE HOME THROUGH THE TREES.
THIS IS LOOKING ACROSS VINTON MILL ROAD FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND DIRECTLY TO THE EAST IS THE PROPERTY ACROSS FENTON MILL ROAD.
THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH IS SHOWN HERE OVER THE FENCE FROM THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE APPLICANT'S HOME.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS HEAVILY WOODED AND THE HOMES HAVE AMPLE SPACE BETWEEN THEM.
FINALLY, LET'S TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THE APPROXIMATE 2,500 SQUARE FOOT.
TWO STORY DWELLING HAS FOUR BEDROOMS, THREE BATHROOMS, TWO LIVING ROOMS, A KITCHEN DINING ROOM, AND A FINISHED BASEMENT, NO CHANGES TO THE EXISTING BUILDING OR SITE ARE PROPOSED HERE.
YOU SEE A FLOOR PLAN OF THE FIRST FLOOR.
ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANTS, ONE BEDROOM AND BATHROOM WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO GUESTS.
THREE PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED FOR THE PROPOSED USE AND THE EXISTING GRAVEL DRIVEWAY ON THE PROPERTY CAN EASILY ACCOMMODATE THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF SPACES.
AND THERE'S ALSO AN ATTACHED TWO CAR GARAGE, ACCORDING TO THE INSTITUTE OF TRAFFIC ENGINEERS, TRIP GENERATION MANUAL, A TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY, DETACHED DWELLING GENERATES AN AVERAGE OF 9.4 TRIPS
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PER DAY WHILE NO TRIP GENERATION ESTIMATES ARE AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS.SIMILAR USES FOR WHICH THIS INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE.
OUR TIMESHARE UNITS, WHICH GENERATE AN AVERAGE OF 8.6 TRIPS PER DAY AND OCCUPIED MOTEL ROOMS, WHICH GENERATE AN AVERAGE OF 4.4 TRIPS PER DAY.
THE NUMBER OF HOUR TRIPS FOR BOTH USES IS LESS THAN ONE STEP LEAVE.
THE PROPOSED TOURIST HOME WOULD NOT HAVE A NOTICEABLE IMPACT ON FENTON MILL ROAD, WHICH ACCORDING TO 2020 VITA ESTIMATES CARRIES ABOUT 560 VEHICLES PER DAY.
THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS HAVE BEEN INCLUDED AS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL IN THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION.
THE APPLICANTS WOULD BE PRESENT WHENEVER RENTALS ARE TAKING PLACE, THE MAXIMUM RENTAL OCCUPANCY WOULD BE TWO PERSONS.
THE LENGTH OF STAY WOULD BE A MINIMUM OF TWO AND A MAXIMUM OF 14 NIGHTS.
AND THE USE PERMIT WITH TERMINATE UPON THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY BY THE APPLICANTS.
THERE ARE NO APPROVED SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN OLD QUAKER STATES WHERE THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY IS LOCATED.
THE NEAREST SHORT-TERM RENTAL IS A BED AND BREAKFAST LOCATED IN HILLS SUBDIVISION, A DRIVING DISTANCE OF 1.8 MILES FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
GIVEN THAT THE TOURIST HOME WOULD BE A ONE BEDROOM RENTAL WITH A MAXIMUM OF TWO GUESTS AT A TIME, STEPH BELIEVED THE PROPOSED TOURIST HOME WOULD HAVE A MINIMAL IMPACT.
THE FACT THAT THE OWNERS WOULD RESIDE IN THE DWELLING WHILE RENTALS ARE TAKING PLACE ENSURES THAT GUESTS BEHAVIOR WOULD BE MONITORED.
THE HOME IS LOCATED ON A LARGE PROPERTY THAT A BUTTS I 64, THE 2.3 ACRE PROPERTY HAS AMPLE SPACE ENTRIES BETWEEN NEIGHBORS AND THE DRONE OF TRAFFIC NOISE FROM THE NEARBY INTERSTATE WOULD LIKELY DROWN OUT ANY NOISE.
FURTHERMORE, THE APPLICANT SPOKE WITH THEIR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS AND WERE ABLE TO COLLECT SIGNATURES ON A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THIS APPLICATION, WHICH I'VE, UM, COPIED AND PROVIDED TO YOU GUYS.
UH, FOR THESE REASONS STAFF BELIEVED THE PROPOSED TOURIST HOME WOULD NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON NEARBY PROPERTIES OR ON THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEREFORE STAFF RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS SET FORTH AND PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 22 DASH EIGHT.
THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE TO SPEAK AS WELL.
THANK YOU, MS. COMMENTS WILL BE ON THE SIDE, DOUG, ANY COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS? OKAY.
WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE, UH, OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE, SO THE APPLICANT CAN COME FORWARD AND THEY HAVE, UH, 10 MINUTES.
WOULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND GOOD EVENING? MY NAME IS ANGELA WALTERS.
THIS IS GREG WALTERS, MY HUSBAND, AND, UM, WE'RE THE OWNERS AT 4 0 7 FENTON MILL ROAD IN WILLIAMSBURG.
UM, SHE DID A GREAT JOB PRESENTING EVERYTHING.
UM, I GUESS AS FAR AS WHAT WE WOULD ADD, UM, JUST THAT, UH, WE DO NOT INTEND TO RENT THIS OUT, UH, FULL TIME, LIKE 365 DAYS A YEAR.
UM, THIS IS A BEDROOM IN OUR HOME.
UM, OUR PRIVACY PEACE OF MIND, THEIR SAFETY AND SECURITY IS OUR TOP PRIORITY.
AND, UM, MUCH OF THE YEAR THIS ROOM WOULD BE USED AS A GUEST ROOM FOR OUR OUT OF TOWN, FAMILY AND FRIENDS.
MY HUSBAND IS A RETIRED NAVY VETERAN.
UM, AND SO MOST OF OUR FAMILY LIVES IN TEXAS AND NORTH DAKOTA.
UM, AND WHEN THEY COME TO VISIT, WE INTEND TO HAVE THEM STAY HERE.
UM, WE SIMPLY WANTED TO MAKE THIS AVAILABLE, UM, AS AN OCCASIONAL RENTAL TO PEOPLE WHO ARE, UM, INTERESTED IN THE HISTORIC AREA, WE REALLY WANTED TO KIND OF MARKET IT, UM, FOR IDEALLY A COUPLE WHO HAD AN INTEREST IN COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG.
WE LIVED IN CHESAPEAKE FOR 10 YEARS, UM, AND REALLY FELL IN LOVE WITH THIS AREA AND DECIDED TO MAKE THIS WHERE WE WANTED TO RETIRE.
AND ON THAT NOTE, WE INTEND TO KEEP THIS PROPERTY INDEFINITELY.
WE CONSIDER THIS OUR FOREVER HOME.
UM, ANY MONEY GENERATED FROM THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL WOULD, UM, OUR INTENTION IS TO PUT THAT BACK INTO THE PROPERTY TO IMPROVE IT AND BEAUTIFY IT.
UM, THE SERENITY OF THE AREA IS REALLY LOVELY AND IMPORTANT TO US, AND WE REALLY WANT TO MAINTAIN THAT.
UM, AND OUR RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR NEIGHBORS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO US AS WELL.
UM, AND SO WE HAVE SPOKEN TO ALL OF THEM AS WELL AS THE ONES ACROSS THE STREET AND HAVE, UH, GOTTEN THEIR BLESSING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
UM, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO US TO FOLLOW ALL THE RULES.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE AND WE INTEND TO, UM,
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MAKE SURE THAT SAFETY IS, UH, ADDRESSED THROUGH, UM, LIKE FIRE SAFETY, ALARMS, EXTINGUISHERS, UM, GETTING, UM, SORRY, I'M LOSING MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.UM, HAVING FIRE INSPECTIONS AND MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS GOOD THERE, WE ALSO INTEND TO ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL INSURANCE TO PROTECT AGAINST PERSONAL OR PROPERTY DAMAGE.
WE WOULD ALWAYS BE AVAILABLE TO ADDRESS ANY ISSUES THAT WOULD COME UP.
UM, AND WE DO NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE RENTING THIS OUT WHEN WE'RE NOT HOME.
SO IF WE'RE TRAVELING OR AWAY, WE DON'T INTEND TO MAKE THIS BEDROOM AVAILABLE TO ANYONE.
UM, WE WOULD PROVIDE ALL OF THE LAUNDRY AND CLEANING SERVICES OURSELVES, SO THAT WOULD NOT IMPACT TRAFFIC.
THERE WOULDN'T BE OUTSIDE PEOPLE COMING TO THE HOME.
UM, BUT LIKE SHE MENTIONED, WE HAVE 2.3, FOUR ACRES.
IT'S VERY PRIVATE, PLENTY OF PARKING.
UM, WE'RE NOT PART OF AN HOA AND WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF EXPANDING THIS AS A BUSINESS.
WE, THIS IS OUR ONE AND ONLY PROPERTY THAT WE OWN.
WE DON'T INTEND TO PURCHASE ANYMORE AND START A BUSINESS OF RENTALS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, HE STILL WORKS FOR THE MILITARY.
I'M AN ARTIST AND A TEACHER, AND THOSE ARE OUR MAJOR JOBS.
UM, WE'VE HAD REALLY GREAT EXPERIENCES GOING OUT OF TOWN AND, AND STAYING IN SIMILAR PLACES WITH KIND OF A UNIQUE FEEL.
AND SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO OFFER PEOPLE, UM, AS A WAY TO KIND OF GIVE THEM A UNIQUE VISIT HERE AND OFFER OUR, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR LOCAL BUSINESSES AND, UM, RESTAURANTS, ARTISTS, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOVE ABOUT THIS PLACE.
WE ARE JUST VERY EXCITED ABOUT SHARING THAT WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE VISITING.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? I THINK YOU SAID IT ALL VERY NICELY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION INDICATED THAT YOU HAVE THE SUPPORT OF YOUR NEIGHBORS, ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT PROVIDED.
UM, WE, WE OBTAINED SIGNATURES, UM, FROM ALL THREE OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT BORDER US AND WE SPOKE WITH THEM PERSONALLY AND WE GOT THEM TO SIGN SOMETHING SAYING THAT THEY'RE COOL WITH IT.
SO WHAT, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ADVERTISE, UH, THE, UH, UM, IDEALLY THROUGH AIRBNB, UM, THAT THAT WOULD BE OUR MAJOR ROUTE, THAT AND WORD OF MOUTH.
UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF, UH, BECAUSE WE ARE MILITARY, WE HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS WHO ALSO ARE IN THE MILITARY AND HAVE VISITORS FROM OUT OF TOWN.
AND WE IMAGINE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR FRIENDS WOULD LIKELY RECOMMEND THIS AS A PLACE FOR THEIR FAMILY AND FRIENDS TO STAY WHEN COMING TO VISIT.
SO I FORESEE A LOT OF WORD OF MOUTH BEING PART OF THAT, BUT AIRBNB AS WELL.
I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS OTHER THAN THEY'VE ASKED THEM ALREADY, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS, ANY QUESTIONS? I THANK YOU.
IS THERE ANY OTHER, UH, PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WILL COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS APPLICANT? NO APPLICATIONS, NO CNN, UH, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS THIS WITH OURSELVES.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, UH, I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO, TO DO, UH, A TOURIST STONE, UM, PERSON.
THEY WILL, UM, BE THERE AT ALL TIMES.
UH, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO RENT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
UH, SO IT'S AN OCCASIONAL THING.
UH, I, I SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION.
THANK YOU, MR. K, SAME YEAR MR. CHAIRMAN SUPPORTED THE NEIGHBORS CRITICAL.
THEY'RE GOING TO RESIDE ON THE PROPERTY, ONLY A COUPLE OF GUESTS ROOM, LARGE PARCEL.
I THINK IF WE EVER HAD A SHORT-TERM RENTAL LOCATION THAT WAS SUITABLE CHECKED ALL THE BOXES, THIS IS IT.
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I WILL CONCUR AS EVERYBODY KNOWS.I RARELY, RARELY NEVER, UH, GO FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
UM, BUT I FEEL LIKE THIS IS TRULY THE SPIRIT THAT, THAT WE INTENDED WHEN WE SET OUR GROUND RULES AND YOU'VE FOLLOWED THOSE RULES AND SUBMITTED A VERY NICE APPLICATION.
SO I WILL, I WILL AGREE ONWARD.
I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS BEING QUITE A FEW YEARS CONTROLS IN PLACE AND THAT AS, UM, AS SHE SAID, THIS IS, THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF, OF HOW THIS CAN BE USED.
WELL, I'M THE ONE WHO'S SENDING.
UM, I'VE MET WITH SEVERAL OF THE NEIGHBORS IN PEN PEN DRIVE AREA, AND IT WILL MAKE A ROAD, UH, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER REMOVED FROM THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS.
UH, THEY HAD NOT HEARD ABOUT THIS APPLICATION UNTIL VERY RECENTLY, SO I KNOW A NUMBER OF THEM HAVE PLANS TO WRITE LETTERS TO OUR BOARD AND A WOULD BE OPPOSED TO A BED AND BREAKFAST OR A, OR A SHORT-TERM RENTAL IN THIS SPECIFIC AREA.
THEY JUST DO NOT FEEL IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEN ON THAT BASIS, I NEED TO SUPPORT FROM MY KNEE.
I NEED TO SUPPORT THE NEIGHBORS THAT I HAVE SPOKEN TO.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S ALL SHORT-TERM RENTALS GO.
IT'S ALMOST A GOLD STANDARD WITH THE APPLICAT AND WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
UH, I THINK THE AUDIT ADD TO YOUR LIST OF THINGS.
THE, UH, THE, UH, BLUE, UH, BLUE BIRD HAD A BLUEBERRY AND STRAWBERRY FARM JUST DOWN THE ROAD FROM YET.
I GO THERE OFTEN DURING THE YEAR.
SO, UH, YADDA, ADD THAT TO YOUR LIST OF THINGS TO GO SEE WHEN IT'S PLAYFUL.
IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION, UM, I'D HAVE A MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT PC 22 DASH EIGHT EIGHT.
THE MOTION BY MR. PETERMAN IS TO ADAPT PC 22 DASH EIGHT G RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE A TOURIST HOME AT 4 0 7 FENTON MILL ROAD, MR. SMITH.
HEY, DO WE HAVE, UH, NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS OLD BUSINESS.
DO WE HAVE SEEN OLD BUSINESS HERE? ARE WE MISSING ANY OLD BUSINESS? OKAY.
[8. New Business]
DO WE HAVE NEW BUSINESS? AND I THINK WE HAVE ONE YOU'RE IN COMMITTEE, UH, WITH THE, UM, WITH MONTE JOHN'S, UH, ELECTING TO, UH, RESIGN FROM THAT TEAM.UH, I KNOW IT'S NOT A PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION ON REPLACING THE PREVIOUS PLANNING COMMISSIONER, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO FLAG THAT TO OUR BOARD IN TERMS OF, SHOULD THERE BE A PROCESS OR A SELECTION, UH, PROCESS, UH, INITIATED FOR THAT OPEN POSITION? OKAY.
WELL, UM, FIRST MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK AS, UH, MR. MONTE JOHN'S REPRESENTED THE COMMISSION AND, UH, HE WAS APPOINTED AS VICE CHAIRMAN AND MYSELF AS CHAIRMAN DURING THAT TIME.
AND I THINK WHEN, UH, WHEN THE APPROPRIATE TIME COMES IN, I THINK THE COMMISSION WOULD STEP FORWARD AND I'M POURING A REPLACEMENT.
IF THE BOARD DECIDES TO REPLACE MR. JOHNSON, IT'S UP TO THEM.
BUT IF THEY DO, I THINK IT WOULD BE THE COMMISSION'S JOB TO SELECT A REPRESENTATIVE TO REPLACE THEM IF THAT'S THE COURSE OF ACTION.
THAT WAS MY, MY THOUGHTS ON THAT MISTAKE, MR. PEANUT MEANT ANYTHING? NO, I AGREE WITH, OKAY.
DOES THAT PERSON NORMALLY COME FROM THE BOARD? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS BOARD? OKAY.
SO SOMEBODY FROM THIS COMMISSION WOULD SEND THEM, YEAH.
THIS COMMISSION, UH, NOMINATED TWO COMMISSIONERS TO GO TO THE COMP PLAN AND THE BOARD WOULD HAVE THAT PRIVILEGE TO EITHER YES.
REPLACE MR. JOHNS OR NO, JUST LEAVE THE COMMITTEE THE WAY IT IS TILL THEY, TILL THE END.
AND I THINK IF THEY DO, UM, THEN IT WOULD BE OUR ROLE IN OUR JOB TO APPOINT A COMMISSIONER TO REPLACE THEM IF THEY DECIDE TO DO SO.
ANY OTHER COMMENT I WOULD HAVE, I THINK THE STAFF WILL BE BRINGING THIS FORWARD TO THE BOARD.
WOULD THAT BE RIGHT MR. CROSS SOMEHOW FOR THIS COUNTY? WELL, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE BOARD IS AWARE OF THE OPENING THAT WAS COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR IS CERTAINLY AWARE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, THE, THE COMMITTEE,
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UH, SERVES AT THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD.SO, YOU KNOW, BE UP TO THEM TO MAKE A DECISION WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF LATE IN THE GAME TO BE, BE, UH, YOU KNOW, ADDING ON AT THE COMMITTEE.
UH, BUT IT WOULD BE UP TO THEM TO DECIDE IF THEY WANTED TO DO THAT.
AND IF AS, AS MR. KING STATED IN THAT EVENT, JUST AS, JUST AS HE AND MR. JOHNS WERE SELECTED BY THE COMMISSION, IT WOULD BE UP AT THE COMMISSION TO SELECT WHOEVER THE SUCCESSOR, THE OTHER REPRESENTATIVE WOULD BE THAT ANSWER.
[9. Staff Reports/Recent Actions by the Board of Supervisors]
STAFF REPORTS, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY REPORT IN FRONT OF YOU AT THE JANUARY MEETING, THE BOARD APPROVED THE REZONING APPLICATION, UH, AT THE END OF THAT CREEK ROAD, FROM OUR ART TO WCI, UH, OVER THERE BY MILLS MARINA, THEY APPROVE THE USE PERMIT FOR A CARWASH ON ROUTE 17 IN FRONT OF THE KROGER SHOPPING CENTER.THEY APPROVED THE MOBILE RYAN MOBERLY APPLICATION TO AMEND THE CONDITIONS OF HIS, THEY USE FARMERS FOR HIS TOURIST HOME ON EDL AVENUE.
SO ALL THREE OF THOSE APPLICATIONS WERE APPROVED.
UM, COMING UP NEXT WEEK AT THEIR FEBRUARY 15TH MEETING, THEY'VE GOT FOUR APPLICATIONS, THE REZONING FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SITE ON GOODWILL, NECK ROAD, THE CAR RENTAL BUSINESS, AND THE OLD DAIRY QUEEN ON BYPASS ROAD AND TWO TOURISTS HOME OP APPLICATIONS THAT YOU ALL HEARD A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, ONE ON TENEMENT OF ROAD, THE OTHER ON YORKSHIRE DOWNS.
I SHOULD MENTION THAT THE, UH, USE PERMIT THAT YOU ALL CONSIDERED IN JANUARY FOR THE OPERATION OF A NIGHTCLUB IN THE LITTLE STRIP CENTER ON ROUTE 17 AND RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT.
SO IT WILL NOT GO FORWARD TO THE BOARD AT YOUR MARCH 9TH MEETING COMING UP.
WE HAVE TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA AND NEITHER OF THEM IS A TOURIST HOME.
WHAT A GREAT DAY FOR AMERICA, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? I DON'T KNOW.
WELL, WE'VE GOT, WE GOT, WE GOT A COUPLE OF INTERESTING APPLICATIONS FOR YOUR, UH, FOR YOUR MEETING.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL RECEPTION HALL IN THE YORKSHIRE DOWN SHOPPING CENTER ON HAMPTON HIGHWAY.
AND WE HAVE A, YOU DON'T GET THESE VERY OFTEN.
YOU HAVE AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO EXPAND A NON-CONFORMING USE IN THIS CASE.
IT'S THE NON-CONFORMING METAL RECYCLING PLANTS, SIMS METAL ON ROUTE 17, UH, IT'S NONCONFORMING, MEANING, UH, UH, UH, IT WAS LEGAL WHEN ESTABLISHED IT DOESN'T CONFORM TO THE ZONING.
UH, OUR PER OUR ZONING ORDINANCE PROVIDES FOR, UH, EXPANSION OF NON-CONFORMING USES UP TO, UH, A MAXIMUM OF 50%.
LIKE I SAID, WE RARELY HAVE THESE APPLICATIONS.
I CAN ONLY THINK OF A COUPLE IN THE 33 ALMOST YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE.
UM, SO, UH, THAT WILL BE ON YOUR AGENDA.
UH, JUST THE OTHER THING I'LL MENTION ABOUT THAT FOR YOUR INFORMATION, UH, ORDINARILY, UH, WITH REZONINGS AND SPECIAL USE PERMITS, WE ALWAYS NOTIFY THE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, FOR THIS TYPE OF APPLICATION, WE ACTUALLY NOTIFY, UH, THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES US TO NOTIFY ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE PROPERTY.
SO SINCE IT IS A NON-CONFORMING USE, WE KIND OF CAST A WIDER NET, UH, SO THAT PEOPLE CAN BE AWARE OF IT AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN IF THEY WANT A MIX OF COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL AND THE OTHER, UH, YOU DO HAVE ANOTHER ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA FOR MARSHA IS NOT A, IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, BUT EVERY YEAR THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS ASKED TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION CERTIFYING THE PROPOSED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM AS BEING IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE, UH, COPPER, UH, GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COMP PLAN.
AND, UH, THE CIP PROCESS IS MOVING FORWARD.
UH, AND, UH, SO THERE IS A PROPOSED, UH, CIP THAT'LL BE COMING OUT SHORTLY.
UM, AND SO, UH, IT'S REALLY, IT SHOULDN'T BE TOO MUCH OF A PROCESS THERE BECAUSE THERE WERE REALLY ONLY, I BELIEVE, FIVE OR MAYBE SIX NEW PROJECTS IN THE CIP THAT THE COMMISSION HAS NOT PREVIOUSLY CERTIFIED.
UH, SO THAT WILL ALSO BE ON YOUR, UM, MARCH AGENDA.
AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE MR. CHAIRMAN.
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COMMITTEE REPORTS.UM, WE HAD OUR, UH, 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE MEETING, UH, LAST WEDNESDAY.
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UM, MR. KRAUSE DID AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB OF MARCHING US THROUGH WHAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH SO FAR TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.UH, WE LITERALLY WENT FROM THE UPPER COUNTY AND MARCHED ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE LOWER COUNTY.
AND, UH, WE DID AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY AGREED TO CHANGE, UM, TO BE HONEST, AND MOST OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE CHANGED WERE A RESULT OF, UH, EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AND JUST MATCHING THAT FUTURE LAND USE WITH WHAT'S ON THE GROUND TODAY.
THERE WERE SOME OTHER CHANGES THAT WE MADE, UH, AND IT WAS PRETTY ROBUST, UH, DISCUSSION ABOUT MIXED USE.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT IT FOR QUITE A BIT.
UH, WE'RE ACTUAL WE'RE ACTUALLY, WE'RE ABLE TO REACH A CONSENSUS AND, UH, THE COMMITTEE DETERMINED THAT THEY PREFER TO REMOVE MIXED USE OFF THE MAP, ALTHOUGH IT'S STILL IN A ZONING ORDINANCE AND IT ALWAYS WAS.
UM, SO YOU CAN PROPOSE A MIXED USE ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTY, UH, THE PREVIOUS FUTURE LAND.
WELL, THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE MAP HAD IDENTIFIED CERTAIN LOCATIONS OUT IN THOSE AREAS SEEM TO BE CONTROVERSIAL.
THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW MIXED USE WORKS, DOESN'T WORK, UH, WHETHER IT'S THE RIGHT PLACE.
AND SO, UM, WE ACTUALLY HAD TO CALL A VOTE AND, UH, AND, UM, WE DECIDED TO REMOVE IT OFF THE MAP.
AND HOWEVER WE WANTED TO KEEP THE BAR KEY DEVELOPMENT, UH, AS TARGETED FOR THIS SUCH USE.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT BEEN TOO SUCCESSFUL AND WE ONLY THINK THE, THE ONLY WAY TO THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO SURVIVE WOULD BE IF YOU ADDED RESIDENTIAL, SO, OR SOME OTHER COMPONENTS TO MAKE IT A MIXED USE.
AND SO WE WANTED TO ENCOURAGE THAT WELL, BUT SINCE IT WAS THE ONLY PLACE THAT WE AGREED TO, WE DECIDED TO KEEP THAT IN A WRITTEN FORMAT IN THE COMP PLAN AND NOT IDENTIFIED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
SO, UM, AND WITH THAT, UH, WE'RE NEXT MONTH, OUR NEXT MEETING, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT CONSERVATION, UH, SPEAKER AND COME AND TALK TO THE COMMITTEE ABOUT, UM, THE IMPORTANCE OF CONSERVATION AND PROPERTIES.
AND IN THE INTERIM STAFF IS WORKING DILIGENTLY ON DRAFTING UP A DRAFT CHAPTERS FOR US.
SO ANY QUESTIONS, UH, UM, I THINK THAT'S A SUMMARY OF WHAT HAPPENED.
UM, MR. HALL ROD WAS THERE, UH, I THINK, OH, IT WAS AN EXCELLENT MEETING AND I WAS SURPRISED AND PLEASED WITH THE OUTCOME MINE ON THE OVERLAY.
AND I THINK THAT'S A HUGE STEP FORWARD FOR US.
I READ MOST OF THE GRAPHS THAT SAT ON THE LINES, WHATEVER THAT SAYS.
IS THERE ANY OTHER INFORMATION REPORTS OR REQUESTS FOR REPORTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEN TURN AND SEE IF THE SUN COMES UP IN THE MORNING.