[1. Call to Order]
[00:00:03]
THE JANUARY 12TH, 2022, REGULAR MEETING OF THE YORK COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE CODE OF VIRGINIA REQUIRES LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE PURPOSE OF WHICH IS TO ADVISE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON LAND USE AND PLANNING ISSUES AFFECTING THE COUNTY.
THE RESPONSIBILITY IT'S EXERCISED THROUGH RECOMMENDATIONS, CONVEYED BY RESOLUTIONS OR OTHER OFFICIAL MEANS AND ALL ARE MATTERS OF PUBLIC RECORD.
THE COMMISSION IS COMPRISED OF CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS APPOINTED BY THE BOARD REPRESENTING EACH VOTING DISTRICT AND TWO AT LARGE MEMBERS.
DID YOU CALL THE ROLE? WHERE ARE WE AT? THERE WE ARE.
MR. KING, MR. CRINER, MR. SMITH, MR. PETERSON HERE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A THANK YOU, MS. STANFORD BLIGE LEGIONS.
I PLAY UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
I HAVE THE, UH, COMMISSIONERS HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE MINUTE MEETING THE MINUTE MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING.
UH, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? THE MOST MAGNUS CRINER HAS TO ADOPT THE MINUTES
[4. Approve Minutes – December 8, 2021]
OF THE REGULAR MEETING ON DECEMBER 8TH, 2021.MS. LEDA, MR. KING, MR. CRINER, MR. SMITH, MR. PETERMAN, MR. TITUS.
[5. Presentation]
A PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSIONER THAT LEFT A FEW MONTHS AGO.AND, UH, YOU HAVE SOME WORDS FOR MR. BRUCE.
STERK I GOT SOME WORDS, MR. IF YOU'D COME ON UP.
UM, TONIGHT WE WANT TO JUST TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO RECOGNIZE OUR FORMER PLANNING COMMISSIONER BREWSTER.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.
HE HAS SERVED AS A, AT LARGE PLANNING COMMISSION NER, UH, FROM JUNE, 2017 THROUGH JULY OF THIS YEAR, BUT ACTUALLY HIS INVOLVEMENT WITH YOUR COUNTY PLANNING ISSUES GOES BACK, UH, A LOT FURTHER THAN THAT IN CASE YOU DIDN'T KNOW BRUCE AS THE DIRECTOR OF FEDERAL FACILITIES FOR THE CITY OF HAMPTON AND MR. CROSS.
AND I, UM, HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH HIM ON THAT PROJECT ON A PROJECT, UH, UH, THE JOINT LAND USE STUDY FOR LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE, UH, MANY YEARS AGO.
SO WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH HIM AND HE GUIDED THAT TO A SUCCESSFUL CONCLUSION IN THE FACE OF A LOT OF CHALLENGES AND THE OBSTACLES THAT WE RAN INTO, UH, DURING THAT TIME.
SO WE WERE QUITE PLEASED WHEN THE BOARD APPOINTED HIM TO THE COMMISSION SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND HE BROUGHT WITH HIM A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE.
HE HOLDS A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN POLITICAL SCIENCE AND ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE.
UM, AS WELL AS, UH, NOT ONE BUT TWO MASTER'S DEGREES, ONE IN HUMAN RESOURCE MANAGEMENT AND ONE IN NATIONAL SECURITY AND STRATEGIC STUDIES.
HE'S ALSO A GRADUATE OF THE FEDERAL EXECUTIVE INSTITUTE AND CHARLOTTESVILLE AS WELL AS A RETIRED AIR FORCE CORE KURT COLONEL, IF I CAN GET THAT WORD OUT KERNEL, IT'S AN IMPRESSIVE RESUME TO BE SURE.
BUT ONE THING YOU CAN'T TEACH AS COMMON SENSE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE ALWAYS APPRECIATED ABOUT BRUCE WAS HIS COMMON SENSE APPROACH TO THE DECISIONS THAT CAME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
LASTLY, I'LL JUST SAY THANK YOU TO BRUCE FOR HIS SERVICE TO THE CITIZENS OF YOUR COUNTY.
AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. TITUS AS THE CHAIRMAN OR THE PRESENTATION OF THE PLAQUE.
WHERE'S THIS BEEN A PLEASURE, PLEASURE WORKING WITH YOU? YOUR INSIGHT IS, IS EARLIEST MENTIONED WAS, UH, VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN A LOT OF THINGS.
WE CAME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION IN THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS, AND WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR INSIGHT.
COME OVER HERE WITH THAT SAID, WE HAVE A PLAQUE TO PRESENT IT TO YOU IN, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION AND YOUR COUNTY.
AND, UH, HOPEFULLY YOU CAN PUT IT UP ON YOUR, I LOVE, WE WILL.
WELL, I APPRECIATE YOUR WORDS ARE, AND I WISH TIM WAS HERE CAUSE I WAS GOING TO SAY GO NATS, UH, EARL.
I MEAN, TIM, IF YOU'RE WATCHING GO NUTS, BUT ANYWAY, IT WAS A, IT WAS AN HONOR TO SERVE HERE IN YOUR COUNTY ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THIS GROUP OF FOLKS THAT ARE SERVING AS VOLUNTEERS DO AN INCREDIBLE JOB.
[00:05:01]
IS INSTRUMENTAL FOR WHAT WE DO FOR THE COUNTY AND WHAT THEY DO FOR THE COUNTY TO SUPPORT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.I HAVE BEEN BLESSED TO LIVE HERE WITH MY WIFE WHO CAME OUT TO SEE ME TONIGHT AND TAKE ME TO DINNER AFTER THIS, UH, TO LIVE IN THE COUNTY FOR 23 PLUS YEARS, I'M RETIRING FROM MY POSITION IN THE CITY OF HAMPTON HERE SOON AND MOVING UP TO NEW KENT TO BE CLOSER TO OUR DAUGHTER AND GRANDCHILDREN AS WE, UH, AS WE START THE NEXT CHAPTER IN OUR LIFE.
BUT IT HAS REALLY BEEN AN HONOR AND A PRIVILEGE.
AND THESE FOLKS THAT SERVE ARE REALLY, TRULY ALL ABOUT THE COUNTY, ALL ABOUT MAKING SURE THINGS HAPPEN APPROPRIATELY FOR OUR COUNTY OR MAKING THINGS JUST BETTER FOR THE COUNTY.
SO IT REALLY IS AN HONOR AND A PRIVILEGE AND I'M HUMBLED TO HAVE SERVED.
AND I APPRECIATE THE RECOGNITION TONIGHT AND I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST IS AS YOU CONTINUE TO SERVE.
AND AS YOU CITIZENS OF YOUR COUNTY, CONTINUE TO LIVE AND GROW AND PROSPER HERE.
[6. Citizen Comments]
THE TIME, UH, IT'S CALLED CITIZEN COMMENTS.IF THERE'S ANY PERSON OUT THERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND, AND HAVE A COMMENT, UH, ABOUT ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT, UH, NOW'S A CHANCE FOR YOU TO COME FORWARD AND SAY A FEW WORDS OR WHATEVER CNN, UH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
AND THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING IS FOR APPLICATION NUMBER
[Application No. ZM-192-22, York County Board of Supervisors:]
Z M ONE 90 DASH 2020, YOUR COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND ALL THE PUMP.NOW YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ME QUITE FREQUENTLY TONIGHT, MR. CROSBY AND GONE.
SO THIS APPLICATION IS AN APPLICATION FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UM, IT IS FOR, TO REZONE A 12 ACRE PARCEL OF LAND AT 1 59, 1 63.
GOOD ONE NECK ROAD, UH, FROM LIMITED BUSINESS, WHICH IS LB TWO LIMITED INDUSTRIAL, WHICH IS I L UH, THE PROPERTY SHOWN HERE IN BLUE.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE PINK IS THE ZONING.
THAT'S THE LIMITED BUSINESS AREA.
NOW YOU CAN SEE THE SURROUNDING ZONING IS IGE OR GENERAL INDUSTRIAL, WHICH IS THE, UH, OLD, UH, LANDFILL AND THE WASTE, THE WASTE MANAGEMENT CENTER.
UM, HERE ON THIS SIDE AND ALONG THE BACK, UH, THE I L HERE THAT'S EXISTING IS THE GOOD ONE NECK CAMPUS FOR YOUR COUNTIES, GOVERNMENT OFFICES COMPLEX.
SO IT MAKES UP PUBLIC WORKS, BUILDING SAFETY, PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING, UM, THE, UH, UH, THE PLANNING DIVISION DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, FACILITIES, MAINTENANCE, GENERAL MAINTENANCE.
THERE'S A LARGE DEGREE OF BUILDINGS HERE ON THIS, AND THIS WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THAT AREA.
UH, THERE ARE A FEW LIMITED BUSINESS PARCELS HERE ALONG GOODWIN NECK ROAD, UM, THAT, UH, ONE IS A TOWING BUSINESS AND THE OTHER ARE HOMES.
AND THEN ACROSS GOODWIN NECK ROAD, OR ARE SEVERAL, ARE 20 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UM, THIS SITE IS ACTUALLY THE SITE FOR, UH, THE NEW, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING, UM, SAFETY FACILITY, WHICH WILL HOUSE FOR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
EVENTUALLY YOU, IF YOU'VE DRIVEN BY THERE, YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, THE WORK IS ALREADY UNDER WAY FOR IT.
UM, GOVERNMENT USES ARE ALLOWED AND ALL ZONING DISTRICTS.
UH, THE ONLY REASON THIS IS COMING BEFORE YOU IS ONE IS, UH, IT JUST MAKES SENSE TO MAKE THE ZONING THE SAME AS WHAT ELSE, WHAT THE REST OF THE CAMPUS IS.
AND ALSO, UH, THERE'S A HEIGHT ISSUE WITH THE BUILDING THAT THE, UH, SHERIFF'S WANTS TO CONSTRUCT.
UM, IT'S FIVE FEET OVER WHAT'S ALLOWED AND LIMITED BUSINESS.
SO IT JUST MAKES SENSE TO GO AHEAD AND CHANGE THE ZONING SO THAT IT CAN FIT WITHIN THAT AREA.
UH, THIS IS THE PROPERTY HERE.
YOU CAN SEE GOODWIN NECK ROAD.
THIS WAS BEFORE WHEN ALL THE TREES WERE ON IT.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE TWO SITES HERE WITH THE, UH, WASTE MANAGEMENT CENTER OFF HERE TO THIS SIDE, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THERE.
UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY A COUPLE OF WEEKS OLD, BUT IT'S A LITTLE FLATTER NOW.
UM, IF YOU'VE DRIVEN BY THERE, UH, THIS IS THE OVERALL PLAN.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, NEW FACILITY, UH, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE MAIN BUILDING WOULD BE HERE, UH, PARKING ALONG THE FRONT WITH A NICE GREEN GRASS AREA SIDEWALK ALONG THE FRONT.
UH, THERE IS, UH, A LARGE, UH, BMP ON THIS SIDE, UH, TO THE REAR IS A NEW PATROL GARAGE AND STORAGE BUILDING, AND THEN ALSO A FUTURE WAREHOUSE SITE.
UM, AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE CONNECTIONS OVER TO THE BACKSIDE OF THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING.
[00:10:03]
UH, THIS IS A RENDERING OF THE BUILDING, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT IS A LITTLE BIT TALLER BUILDING, BUT IT IS A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING AND, UH, BE A, A NICE, UH, BUILDING THERE IN FRONT OF A LONG, GOOD ONE NECK ROAD.IT'S ABOUT A 51,500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
UM, ABOUT, AS I SAID, IT'S 40 FEET, WHICH IS FIVE FEET ABOVE THE 35 FLEET REQUIREMENT AND LB.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE, WE'RE ASKING FOR THE I L UM, AND THEN I TALKED ABOUT THE, THE PATROL BUILDING.
THE OTHER WAREHOUSE STRUCTURE IS SHOWN ON THERE AS A FUTURE FUTURE WAREHOUSE STRUCTURE, UH, THAT WAS, WOULD BE BUILT, UH, EVENTUALLY, UM, AS I SAID, PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES AND GOVERNMENT OFFICERS ARE ALLOWED IN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS.
UM, BUT, AND, AND THIS PROJECT COULD GO FORWARD WITHOUT REVIEW AND THOSE THINGS, BUT WE FELT THAT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO BE UP AND UP WITH.
YOU KNOW, IF A CITIZEN HAS TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, THERE'S NO REASON THE COUNTY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS ALSO.
SO WE'RE BRINGING IT HERE TO YOU TO BRING IT ALL UNDER ONE ZONING DISTRICT AND ALLOW FOR THAT INCREASE IN HEIGHT, UM, AND A CONCLUSION.
AND WE DO FEEL IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING OF THAT AREA.
UM, IT, IT JUST EXTENDS THE GOOD ONE THAT CAMPUS A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, AND IT IS NECESSARY TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THE HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING, WHICH IS ONLY FIVE, YOU KNOW, 40 FEET IS THE TOTAL, UH, FIGHT, UH, HEIGHT.
AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO APPROVE IT, UH, WE DID PROVIDE A RESOLUTION TO YOU.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, ANY QUESTIONS SEEING NONE.
AND I WILL LET YOU KNOW, UM, JOE SIZZLER IS HERE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUILDING THAT YOU HE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
I'M JUST GOING TO SAY MR. JOE.
I HAVE A SLIP HERE FOR HIM TO SPEAK IF HE WANTS TO.
HE SAID HE WOULD ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
SO WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC, OPEN UP THIS COMMISSION COMMENTS, DISCUSSION DISCUSSIONS, MR. PETERMAN, AND THEN, YEAH, NO DISCUSSION MR. CHAIRMAN FROM MY END, BUT I'M JUST HAPPY FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THAT OUR PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICIALS THAT THEY GET A FACILITY THAT WILL HELP THEM DO THEIR JOB.
AND, UH, WE'RE VERY HAPPY FOR THEM AND SUPPORT THIS A HUNDRED PERCENT.
IN FACT, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PC.
YOU NEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANY OTHERS.
YOU WANT TO SPEAK, YOU NEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANY OTHERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK BESIDES THE APPLICANT.
WE'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO CLOSE THIS OPEN, BACK UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS APPLICATION? OKAY.
NOW I CAN PROCEED ON TO WHERE I MESSED UP.
MR. KEENEY, YOU WERE ROSTER COMMISSIONERS IN CASE I HAVE THE COMMENT.
LET ME NOT FORGET MR. SMITH DOWN HERE.
ANY COMMENT? NOPE, NOPE, NOPE, NOPE, NOPE, NOPE.
ALL RIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL REPEAT MY MOTION.
I MOVE THAT WE, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR PC 22 DASH ONE.
WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? THE MOTION BY MR. KING IS TO ADAPT PC 22 DASH ONE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION TO REZONE 12 ACRES AT 1 5900 DASH 1 63 GOODMAN NECK ROAD FROM LIMITED BUSINESS.
SHE LIMITED THEM GESTURAL MISLEAD THEM.
MR. KING, MR. CRINER, MR. SMITH, MR. PETERMAN, MR. HOLROYD, MR. TITUS, THE MOTION PASSED.
DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHEN THIS WILL GO BEFORE THE BOARD, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A JUMP UP AND DOWN TONIGHT, JUST TRYING TO WET MY WHISTLE.
UM, THE, UM, RIGHT NOW IT IS, UH, TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR THE FEBRUARY 15TH BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING.
HOWEVER, WITH THE NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS WE HAVE, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT THAT WILL BE ON THAT AGENDA.
IT MAY BE SPREAD OUT, DEPENDED ON WHAT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CHAIR DECIDE.
[Application No. UP-979-22, Ernest Vawter]
APPLICATION NUMBER 9 79 DASH 22 EARNEST VALTER.UH, IT'S FOR A SHORT, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
UM, THIS IS FOR A PROPOSED TOURIST, TOM
[00:15:01]
IN AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING LOCATED AT 1 0 3 HAYMAKER PLACE.UM, THIS APPLICATION WAS RECEIVED, UM, AFTER ISSUANCE OF A ZONING VIOLATION.
NOTICE THE APPLICANTS HAD THE SITE LISTED ON ONE OF HIS WEBSITES FOR TOURS.
UM, FOLLOWING ISSUANCE OF THE NOTICE, THE APPLICANT HAS REMOVED THE LISTING FROM THE WEBSITE AND THEY HAVE COORDINATED WITH THE COMMISSIONER OF THE REVENUE'S OFFICE TO ESTABLISH THEIR TAX ACCOUNT AND PAID ANY BACK TAXES.
THAT ACIDITY MAP OF THE AREA, THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.
IT'S LOCATED IN THE NORTH END OF THE WILLIAMSBURG BLUFFS, UM, AREA.
UH, WE IN SUBURB, LOFTS SUBDIVISION, UH, IT BACKS ON TO A VACANT LOT.
THAT IS COMMON AREA FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, SUBDIVISION TO THE SOUTH IS CARVER GARDENS, WEST COUNTRY CLUB ACRES, UH, AND TO THE NORTH, BEYOND THE HOMEOWNER'S PROPERTY, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION PROPERTY IS VACANT LAND OWNED BY BOTH THE COUNTY AND THE STATE.
UH, THERE AREN'T TWO OTHER STRS IN THE GENERAL AREA OF THIS APPLICATION.
ONE 13 E DALE IN THE NELSON PARK NEIGHBORHOOD IS 2.7 MILES AWAY AND 1149 DUNCAN DRIVE IN A YORK TERRACE IS 2.5 MILES AWAY ZONING MAP.
UM, IT'S LOCATED IN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UM, DISTRICT THAT WAS ESTABLISHED FOR WILLIAMSBURG GLOVES, UM, BELOW THAT ARE 13 HIGH DENSITY.
RESIDENTIAL ARE 20 IS MEDIUM DENSITY, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, AND THE GREEN IS RESOURCE CONSERVATION FOR, UH, PUBLIC LANDS.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED FOR HIGH DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SCENARIO, ARIEL, A VIEW OF THE PROPERTY COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES, THE HOMEOWNERS, UM, COMMON AREA.
THERE IS ALL HEAVILY WOODED BEHIND THEM.
AND THIS IS JUST THE CLOSER AERIAL SHOT.
UM, THERE IS A TWO CAR GARAGE, UH, IN THERE AND THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH CAN EASILY ACCOMMODATE THE REQUIRED PARKING FOR THE USE, WHICH IS THREE SPACES, PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE AREA.
THIS IS LOOKING NORTH DOWN HAYMAKER PLACE, APPLICANT'S PROPERTY TO THE LEFT OPPOSITE DIRECTION, UH, LOOKING TOWARD, UM, THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION DOWN HAYMAKER.
THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE APPLICANT'S HOUSE AND ACROSS THE STREET.
THIS IS, UH, APPLICANT'S PROPERTY ON THE RIGHT ACCESS, UM, TO THE TOURIST FOAM, WHICH IS IN A FINISHED BASEMENT FROM THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, LOOKING AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
UM, YOU SEE A DOUBLE DOOR HERE AND ANOTHER DOOR DOWN THE END, BOTH OF THOSE HAVE DIRECT ACCESS, UM, TO THE, UH, RENTAL AREA.
IT'S THE ENTIRE FINISHED BASEMENT AREA.
AND JUST ANOTHER SHOT FROM THE OTHER DIRECTION.
LOOKING OUT TO THE BACK HOUSES ON THE NEXT STREET, THE BACK OF THE HOUSE IS THE NEXT STREET OVER AND, UH, VACANT HOMEOWNERS, UM, COMMON AREA.
THERE'S A SKETCH PLAN OF THE PROPERTY, JUST SEWING PATIO IN THE BACK AND DRIVEWAY, NOT JUST TO THE FRONT, JUST THE APPLICANT'S FLOOR PLAN.
THE RENTAL AREA IS APPROXIMATELY 1,045 SQUARE FEET.
AS I MENTIONED, THE FINISHED BASEMENT CONTAINS ONE BEDROOM BATHROOM LIVING ROOM.
THAT'S GOT A DAY BED AREA THAT CAN BE USED FOR ADDITIONAL SLEEPING AREA AND A POOL TABLE AREA.
THERE IS NO KITCHEN, BUT THE APPLICANTS HAVE PROVIDED A MICROWAVE OVEN IN A SMALL REFRIGERATOR ISSUE ENTERING THE SIDE DOOR IN SUMMARY, 1045 SQUARE FOOT RENT RENTAL AREA IN THE FINISHED BASEMENT CONTAINS W BEDROOM, A LIVING ROOM WITH DAY BED, BATHROOM, OPEN POOL TABLE AREA.
THERE WOULD BE A MAXIMUM BEFORE GUESTS AT ANY ONE TIME.
THE APPLICANT OWNERS OF THE DWELLING, UM, RESIDE IN THE DWAYNE, THEY RESIDED IN THE UPPER TWO FLOORS.
THEY WOULD BE THERE DURING RENTALS.
UH, STAFF DOESN'T BELIEVE THAT, UH, TRAFFIC WOULD BE AN ISSUE WITH THIS.
UH, ACCORDING TO THE INSTITUTE OF TRAFFIC ENGINEERS, YOUR AVERAGE, A DETACHED DWELLING GENERATES 9.6 DAILY, UH, AVERAGE DAILY VEHICLE TRIPS.
TOURIST TOWN WOULD ADD UP TO AN ADDITIONAL 10.6 TRIPS.
[00:20:01]
UM, ACCORDING TO V DOT, UH, COUNTS HAYMAKER PLACE, UH, HAS APPROXIMATELY 200 AVERAGE DAILY VEHICLE TRIPS.THAT'S A, A, A CUL-DE-SAC AND PARCHMAN BOULEVARD.
THE NEXT INTERSECTION THAT SECTION OF IT CARRIES APPROXIMATELY, UH, 490 DAILY TRIPS ARE PROPOSED APPROVAL CONDITIONS THAT THE USE WOULD BE OPERATED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE APPLICANT NARRATIVE, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE MAXIMUM OF FOUR GUESTS OWNERS IN RESIDENCE DURING THE RENTALS TOURS HOME LAYOUT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE APPLICANT'S FLOOR PLAN, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY EXPIRE UPON CHANGE AND OWNERSHIP OF THE DWELLING AND THE APPROVAL DOES NOT SUPERSEDE OR NEGATE ANY PRIVATE COVENANTS.
UH, THAT MAY BE, IT MAY EXIST FOR THE PROPERTY CONCLUSION.
WE FEEL THE OPERATION IS CONSISTENT WITH PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, UH, TOURIST HOME OWNERS AND MANAGERS WOULD BE THERE THE ENTIRE TIME THAT IT'S BEING RENTAL.
YOU DON'T FEEL THERE'D BE ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD CONDITIONS WITH LIMITED TO A SMALL, SMALL SCALE OPERATION.
AND WE WOULD THEREFORE RECOMMEND APPROVAL IN ACCORDANCE WITH RESOLUTION PC 22 DASH TWO DASH TWO.
I WOULD NOTE WE RECEIVED THREE SUPPORT LETTERS FROM THIS APPLICATION.
THEY WERE EMAILED TO THE ONE FROM THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT, UH, ONE FROM THE NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET AND WANT FROM THE ADJACENT NEIGHBOR ON THE CORNER.
AND WITH THAT, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE AS WELL.
THE COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH.
UH, CAN YOU CONFIRM IT THE LOT NUMBER IS 1 0 3, NOT 82.
THAT THE PACKET THAT WE RECEIVED.
SO THAT'S THE ACTUAL RESIDENCE.
MS. MARKERS OR REQUEST FOR SIGNAGE? NO.
ONE QUESTION THAT JUST PUZZLED ME, THE, THERE WAS 200 TRIPS PER DAY ON HAYMAKER AND 400 ON PARCHMENT, I GUESS.
JUST THE CUL-DE-SAC THAT COMES OFF OF PARCHMENT.
I KNOW THAT, BUT I JUST, WHY WOULDN'T IT BE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC FOR THE ONE WATCHMEN CARRIES, YOU KNOW, IS KIND OF A THREE STREET.
IT'S A CUMULATIVE TRAFFIC NOT JUST CAUSED BY THE TOURIST HOME.
IT'S GOT A SINK IN ONE OF THESE DAYS.
THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD.
UH, WE HAVE SOME FOLKS THAT WANT TO SPEAK, UH, OF COURSE, THE APPLICANT MR. UH, VICKY, OR IN LINNIE VALTER, IF I PRONOUNCE THAT.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR PERMISSION FOR, UH, LETTING US SPEAK TONIGHT.
UM, AND WE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FOR, UH, ONCE WE WERE MADE AWARE OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, WE'VE HAD BEEN FOLLOWING THE RULES AND STEPS PROPERLY.
UH, WE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT AT FIRST AND I DON'T KNOW, IT'D BE PICTURES.
SO, UM, AND ALSO THANK YOU SO MUCH TO, UM, AMY.
UH, IT ALSO, AARON'S JUST BEEN REALLY, REALLY HELPFUL IN HELPING US UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT TAXES AND MOVING FORWARD AS WELL.
UM, JUST A REAL QUICK BACKGROUND ON US, UM, AND KIND OF WHY WE DECIDED TO DO THIS.
UM, WE LOVE YOUR COUNTY AND WE LOVE THE AREA.
I LEARNED TO RIDE A BIKE ABOUT 300 YARDS BEHIND ME AND, UH, CONQUERING THAT BIG HILL DOWN TO THE WATER WAS QUITE A CHALLENGE.
BUT ANYWAY, UM, I WENT TO YORK ELEMENTARY AND WE'VE BEEN MARRIED FOR 25 YEARS.
AND, UM, AND THE ONLY TIME WE EVER LIVED AWAY FROM THIS AREA IS WHEN WE MOVED DOWN TO FLORIDA FOR EIGHT YEARS.
UH, ONCE WE STARTED HAVING A FAMILY AND CHILDREN, UH, WE KNEW THAT WE WANTED TO GET BACK TO THIS AREA, JUST VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT VIRGINIA, VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT YOUR COUNTY AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
SO WE HAVE, AND WE HAVE TWO CHILDREN.
THEY BOTH WENT TO, YOU KNOW, WALTER MILL, UH, QUEENSLAND BRUTON HIGH SCHOOL, UM, LOVED IT.
AND ONCE THEY MOVED OUT, UM, WE KIND OF FELT LIKE WE WERE IN THIS BIG HOUSE AND, UH, FEELING A LITTLE EMPTY NESTING.
SO WE DECIDED TO TOTALLY RENOVATE THE WHOLE DOWNSTAIRS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS KIND OF A PLACE IN THE OLD DAYS WHERE WE HUNG OUT WITH FRIENDS IN THE EARLY DAYS, AND THEN IT BECAME A PLACE WHERE OUR KIDS WOULD INVITE THEIR FRIENDS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF MEMORIES OR MEMORIES MADE DOWN THERE.
SO, UH, WE HAVE GONE IN AND TOTALLY RENOVATED THE BASEMENT.
UH, WE'VE INCLUDED A KEYLESS ENTRY ON THE ONE MAIN DOOR, UH, FOR EASY ACCESS FOR THE RESIDENTS, UM, PAINT CARPET, WHOLE NINE YARDS, UH, TRYING TO, WE CAN TO MAKE IT A SPECIAL FOR THE FOLKS VISITING, UH, AND ENJOYING THEIR STAY HERE IN THIS AREA.
SO, UM, YEAH, AND A LOT, YOU KNOW, SOME SPECIAL TOUCHES, A LITTLE COFFEE BAR,
[00:25:01]
A LITTLE, UM, SMORES KIT, DIFFERENT LITTLE THINGS, YOU KNOW, THAT PEOPLE MIGHT ENJOY.SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AND A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE DECIDED EARLY ON BEFORE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU WERE FIRST THINKING ABOUT THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, HOW, W WHAT, WHO ARE WE ROOTING? YOU KNOW, WHO ARE WE SHOOTING AT HERE? WHY WHO WE TRYING TO ATTRACT TO COME? AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST REALLY LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, FAMILIES THAT WANT TO ENJOY THIS AREA, WANT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A, STONE'S THROW EARLY FROM BUSH GARDENS AND WATER COUNTRY, AS YOU KNOW.
SO, UM, SO FAR THE PEOPLE, A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME BEFORE WE SHUT IT DOWN, WAITING FOR THE APPROVAL WAS, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY COUPLES OR, YOU KNOW, UM, MAYBE A COUPLE WITH A COUPLE OF SMALL KIDS.
AND IN FACT, ONE TIME WE WERE UPSTAIRS AND WE COULD JUST FAINTLY OVER, HEAR THE GIGGLING OF THESE TWO LITTLE GIRLS.
AND WE WERE JUST LIKE, OH MY GOSH, I REMEMBER BACK IN THE DAY.
BUT ANYWAY, UM, WE'RE DEFINITELY INTERESTED IN MAKING THIS A STRICT LISTING.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE ALREADY HAD IT SET UP TO, UM, YOU'RE NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO STAY IN OUR PLACE UNLESS WE APPROVE YOU AND YOU GET APPROVED BASED ON THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE POSITIVE REVIEWS AND YOU'VE STAYED PLACES BEFORE, AND THE HOST HAS BEEN FAVORABLE ON YOU STAYING THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANTED TO DO.
WE DON'T WANT TO DO LONG TERMS. WE'RE REALLY INTERESTED IN LIKE WEEKEND PEOPLE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST PEOPLE THAT WANT TO VISIT THE AREA.
SO, YEAH, UH, AS FAR AS US IN OUR BACKGROUND, IN THE AREA, UH, WE HAVE BEEN, UM, WE DO VOLUNTEER QUITE A BIT IN NEW YORK COUNTY AREA.
BOOSTER CLUB, UM, INCLUDING, UH, I AM THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY QUITE A BIT, UH, AND WE DO ENJOY IT.
AND WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FOLKS THAT ARE STAYING WITH US, UH, ENJOY THE AREA AS WELL.
UH, WHAT WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED IS A KIND OF A PACKET TO INCLUDE NOT ONLY OUR FAVORITE RESTAURANTS, BUT ALSO THE SURROUNDING AREA AND THINGS TO DO, WHETHER IT BE WATER COUNTRY, UH, YORKTOWN, THE BATTLEFIELD, THE AMAZING MUSEUM THAT'S BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, RENOVATED UP HERE.
UH IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST ONE OF OUR FAVORITE PLACES, YOU KNOW, AS A HISTORY BUFF.
UM, WE DO ENJOY THAT QUITE A BIT, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR GUESTS ENJOY THAT AS WELL.
NOW, AGAIN, WE'RE JUST VERY THANKFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME SPEAK TO YOU GUYS.
UH, WE'RE VERY EXCITED FOR THIS, UM, AND WE HOPE THAT, UM, UH, WITH YOUR, YOUR APPROVAL AND ONTO THE NEXT STEP, WE CAN JUST MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME GUYS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? ANY QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD.
UM, I NOTICED IN THE APPLICATION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE OCCUPYING AT WELLING ANYTIME THEY JUST RENTED, UNTIL I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'VE ALSO RESTRICTED IT TO COUPLES ONLY NO SINGLES, UNLESS IT'S A FAMILY OF FOUR.
DID I READ THAT CORRECTLY? WELL, WE'VE HAD, UM, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE INTERESTED.
THAT WAS A COUPLE, AND THEN SAY LIKE THEIR COUSIN AND THEIR FRIEND CAME OVER FROM VIRGINIA BEACH TO ENJOY THE AREA.
WHAT YOU WOULDN'T RENT TO JUST A SINGLE, A SINGLE PERSON.
AND THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION WAS, IS THERE A HARD SURFACE WALKWAY FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK ENTRY? CAUSE I'M EXPECTING, YOU'RE EXPECTING THEM TO USE THE REAR ENTRY CARD.
UH, THERE IS NOT A, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS GONE THROUGH AND IN PLACE, UM, MOTION LIGHTS TO LIGHT UP AS THE PERSON PROCEEDS TO, UH, THE AREA.
UM, AND THEN THERE IS A SOLID CONCRETE AT THE FRONT DOOR, OF COURSE, AT THE BACK DOOR, OF COURSE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY SAFETY CONCERNS OR ANYTHING.
I HAD ONE QUESTION FOR BOTH OF YOU.
UH, I MANAGED TO GET OUT THERE AND TALK TO SEVERAL OF YOUR NEIGHBORS.
UH, I THINK I SPOKE TO FOUR THAT I SUBSEQUENTLY HAD PHONE CONVERSATIONS WITH TWO MORE, MOST WERE VERY POSITIVE ON THE OTHER APPLICATION.
UH, VERY GOOD NEIGHBORS AND, UH, THOROUGHLY APPRECIATE YOU LIVING THERE.
THE ONE RECURRING THEME THAT CAME UP FROM TWO OF THE PEOPLE I SPOKE TO WAS HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU PLAN TO TEST THE APPLICANTS THAT ARE COMING IN? WHAT SCREENING DO YOU DO? HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE THAT, THAT YOU'RE NOT INTRODUCING A SAFETY CONCERN IN THE AREA? COULD YOU ANSWER THAT RIGHT? AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE PUT THE STRICT SETTING ON THE REVIEWS BECAUSE YOU KNOW, ANYBODY COULD GO ON AS A BRAND NEW AIRBNB, YOU KNOW, TRAVELER.
AND SO IT'S, AIRBNB IS PRETTY STRICT ON HOW THE REVIEWS ARE PUT IN.
SO YOU HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.
UM, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO LIKE SEE THE REVIEW UNTIL THE HOST IS REVIEWED YOU.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S KIND OF, I FEEL LIKE KIND OF AN HONEST WAY OF FINDING OUT EXACTLY WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE.
AND THAT'S WHY I HAVE I READ, I WILL OFTENTIMES, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FEW THAT WE'VE HAD BEFORE THIS, BEFORE WE SHUT IT DOWN, YOU KNOW, TO SEND THE MESSAGES, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT'S YOUR, UH, WHAT DO YOU COME INTO THE AREA FOR? IS THERE ANYTHING I CAN SHARE? YOU KNOW, JUST, AND THERE WAS ONE, UM, THAT DIDN'T HAVE ANY REVIEWS AND THIS WAS WHEN WE DECIDED TO TURN IT STRAIGHT.
UM, I JUST DIDN'T FEEL RIGHT ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW? AND SO THAT'S WHEN WE DECIDED, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOMEONE THAT HAS
[00:30:01]
STAYED BEFORE.UM, I UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS.
WE HAVEN'T STAYED IN A HOTEL IN YEARS.
HONESTLY, WE LOVE AIRBNB ONE WHENEVER WE TRAVEL.
AND THE OTHER PART IS, YOU KNOW, JUST COMMUNICATION WITH THE FOLKS, RENTING, UH, UNDERSTANDING WHO THEY ARE, WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM, WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, WHAT, AND THEN WE CAN HELP THEM ALONG THIS PROCESS AND BEING AS OPEN AND HONEST WITH THEM AS POSSIBLE.
AND THEN HAVING THAT, THAT DIRECT DIALOGUE HAS REALLY BEEN VERY BENEFICIAL FOR US.
UH, A MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE ENJOYING THE AREA IN OUR PROPERTY, UH, BUT B HELPING THEM OUT AND MAKING SURE THEY'RE GETTING WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.
AND, AND WHAT EVENTS ARE IN THE AREA, WHAT WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND.
SO THAT OPEN DIALOGUE AND COMMUNICATION WE'VE HAD WITH THEM HAS BEEN VERY BENEFICIAL.
AND PART OF THE REASON WHY WE FEEL THIS IS A SAFE MOVE FOR US.
I HAVE NO QUESTIONS WITH THE, UH, WE DO HAVE ANOTHER PERSON THAT WANTS TO COME FORWARD.
A PAUL SEDU, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS.
I LIVE AT ONE OR TWO BLUFF CIRCLE.
I'M UP IN WAYNESBURG IN THE BLUFF.
I'M ACTUALLY ON THE STREET RIGHT BEHIND THEM, UM, THAT THEY, UM, COMMON AREA THAT SEPARATES US.
UM, I'VE GOT SOME, UM, INFORMATION HERE.
IF I GOT PASSED IT ALONG TO YOU GUYS TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHATEVER EVERY POSSIBLE AND HOPEFULLY I'VE GOT ENOUGH FOR EVERYBODY THERE.
ONE SHORT LITTLE BACKGROUND ON ME.
I'VE LIVED IN MY HOUSE SINCE IT WAS BUILT.
IT'S ABOUT 20 TO 23 YEARS NOW.
UM, I'VE SERVED ON THE ACB, THE ARCHITECTURAL CONTROL BOARD THERE, UM, FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS UNTIL, UM, MARCH OF LAST YEAR.
UM, I'VE GOT A CONCERN THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU NEED TO BE AWARE OF BEFORE YOU VOTE ON THIS.
UM, IT DID THE PROXIMITY OF THE HOUSE TO OUR RECREATION AREA, UM, WITH THE INCREASED TRAFFIC AND SO FORTH.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, FIRST MAP I SENT YOU, UM, THEIR HOUSES IN ORANGE, UM, THE PINK ARROW IS, UM, PARKED FRONT BOULEVARD.
THAT IS THE ENTRANCE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THE AREA OUTLINED IN YELLOW IS THE RECREATION AREA.
THE SECOND PICTURE THAT YOU SEE, OKAY, THEIR HOUSE IS, UM, 1 0 3 AND I'VE OUTLINED IT IN BLACK.
UM, THE RECREATION IS DOWN TOWARDS THE BOTTOM LEFT.
YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A TENNIS COURT FIELDS, PARKING AREA, A POOL, AND THEN A PLAYGROUND PARCHMAN BOULEVARD IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE IN, AND YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT TO GET TO THEIR HOUSE, UM, UH, DIRECT A BLIND IF YOU GO FROM THEIR DRIVEWAY TO THE PARKING ENTRANCE, UM, IS ROUGHLY 220 FEET FROM THE DRIVEWAY TO THE ENTRANCE, TO THE RECREATION PARKING.
UM, WE'VE HAD PROBLEMS IN THE PAST.
UM, WE HAVE, UM, SIGNS UP ON PARCHMENT RIGHT BY THE RECREATION AREA THAT SAYS, UM, KIDS PLAYING BE AWARE.
UM, WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS, UM, UM, YOU NEED TO WRAP IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS NOTIFICATIONS GO OUT FROM THE BOARD ITSELF STATING TO SLOW DOWN SPEEDING.
I'VE SEEN A COUPLE OF NEAR MISSES THAT HAVE HAPPENED.
UM, BESIDES THAT WITH THE TRANSIENT VISITORS, WE DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE.
MY KIDS HAVE ALL GRADUATED AND GONE ON COLLEGE AND HE RIDES AWAY SAYS, I DON'T HAVE A KID THAT'S INVOLVED, BUT I'M THINKING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY IN GENERAL.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT CONCERN TO YOU TO THINK ABOUT HOW THE PROXIMITY TO THE AREA NUMBER OF CARS GOING BY, THE SPEEDING THAT GOES ON, UM, TO BE AWARE OF THAT BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR, UM, VOTE ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE OUT THERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS APPLICATION? YES, SIR.
WOULD YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND I KEEP FORGETTING THIS.
YEAH, THREE MINUTES FOR SPEAKING.
MY NAME IS BRIAN ATTALA FROM 1 5 1 DENNIS DRIVE.
I'M COMING TO SPEAK TO YOU AGAIN TONIGHT, AS WE DID, UH, IN DECEMBER ABOUT THESE SHORT-TERM RENTALS, UH, SPECIFICALLY TAKING NOTE OF THOSE THAT ARE COMING IN PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU IN THE GALLERY HERE, THAT AREN'T AWARE AND DECEMBER THE SAME PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED TO PUSH FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS NEXT WEEK,
[00:35:01]
A PROPERTY FOR A WHOLE HOME RENTAL FULL TIME, THAT IS LESS THAN A QUARTER MILE FROM MAGRUDER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE JUST LISTENED TO THE VOTERS, TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY WILL ACTUALLY TAKE THE TIME TO REVIEW THE APPLICANTS THAT THEY'RE TAKING TIME TO DO THE THINGS NECESSARY.
BUT YOU HAD HERE A MONTH AGO, AN INDIVIDUAL THAT STOOD HERE ADMITTED TO THEIR VIOLATION OF THEIR SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT EACH OF YOU BARNES SOME APPROVED AND LOUD, THIS INDIVIDUAL AS A CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONAL IN WHAT HE'S DOING, NEVER TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THAT ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF CERTAIN COMMERCIALIZATION OF THESE PROPERTIES BY COMPARING IT TO A HOTEL THAT MIGHT NEXT BE NEXT TO A SCHOOL, NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE SEXUAL PREDATORS THAT DO NOT NEED TO REGISTER THERE.
MR. TITUS, YOU, YOU HAD MENTIONED, UH, OF WHAT THOSE STATISTICS ARE.
WELL, I LOOKED THOSE STATISTICS UP AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT IF YOU TAKE THE TIME AND ACTUALLY LOOK UP THOSE STATISTICS, YOU ARE PROTECTING THOSE SEXUAL PREDATORS BY ALLOWING PROPERTIES LIKE THAT, TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD, WHERE YOU HAD THE VOTERS WHO ACTUALLY SAY THAT THEY'LL ACTUALLY STAY IN THE RESIDENCE, MOST LIKELY WILL.
AND THE STAFF WHO'S ACTUALLY DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB OF TRYING TO ROUND UP THESE DIFFERENT VIOLATING, UH, PROPERTIES TO TRY AND BRING THEM INTO THE FOLD.
NOW BOARD OF SUPERVISOR MEMBER, UH, ROAN REACHED OUT TO ME AND TOLD ME HOW MUCH, UH, THE LAST PLANNING MEETING WAS, WAS TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT I'M HERE TO STAND BEFORE EACH OF YOU HERE ON THIS PLANET COMMISSION.
NOW YOU NEED TO START TAKING SERIOUSLY.
AND I APPLAUD MR. HOLROYD IN SOME OF THE QUESTIONS OF CONCERN FOR SAFETY, BUT EACH OF YOU NEED TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE STRONGER STANCE AND THINK ABOUT LONG-TERM PLANNING, ACCORDING TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR HIGH, HIGH RESIDENTIAL, HIGH DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL FAMILY HOMES, AND THE IMPACT.
NOT SAYING THAT THERE'S NO IMPACT OR NO ADVERSE IMPACT, HAS THERE BEEN A SINGLE STUDY THAT'S BEEN DONE THAT LOOKS AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, COMPARES THAT TO THOSE AT-HOME BUSINESSES AND THESE SHORT-TERM RENTALS, NEVERMIND.
THE FACT THAT THIS COMMISSION JUST APPROVED TO GO THROUGH HER FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, ANOTHER SHORT-TERM RENTAL LESS THAN A MILE AWAY ON PENNYMON ROAD.
SO AGAIN, I ASKED YOU TO TAKE A HARDER LOOK AT THIS AND REALLY PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT'S NECESSARY.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE OUT THERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, OKAY.
SEEING NONE CLOSE CLOSES PUBLIC AND BRING IT INTO THE COMMISSIONERS FOR A DISCUSSION, UH, MR. PETERMAN? UM, I CERTAINLY LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY, UH, UH, BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, UH, AS A MASTER GARDENER, DOING HEALTHY VIRGINIA LAWNS.
UM, I DO NOT SEE AN ISSUE WITH THIS APPLICATION.
UM, THEY'RE GOING TO BE THERE DURING THE WHOLE TIME THAT THEY RENT, UH, I DON'T SEE AN IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO I WOULD SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION.
UM, AND ONE OTHER THING TO NOTE FOR THIS IS THAT, UH, I'M GLAD TO SEE WE INCORPORATED SOME OF OUR SUGGESTIONS AND TO THE CONDITIONS ABOUT THAT THIS, UH, USE WILL ONLY APPLY TO THE CURRENT OWNERS AND IF THEN MOVE OR SELL THEIR HOUSE, THAT SOMEONE WHO BUYS IT CANNOT CONTINUE THIS.
SO WE'RE MAKING A DECISION BASED ON JUST THIS.
AND, UH, SO I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT WAS INCORPORATED.
YEAH, I WAS TO MR. LEE, NO COMMENT, PEDRO, UH, WELL REVIEWED THE APPLICANT PRETTY THOROUGHLY, AND THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE DEMONSTRATED AN OUTSTANDING, UM, UH, COOPERATION WITH AIRBNB, THEIR POSITIVE REVIEWS, UH, I MEAN, THEY THEY'VE DEMONSTRATED THEIR ABILITY TO MAINTAIN THIS, THIS TYPE OF, UH, UH, DWELLING AND THE FACT THAT ALL OF THEIR NEIGHBORS HAVE COME FORWARD, UH, IN WRITING, UH, IN SUPPORT OF THAT, UH, FOUND THAT COMPELLING AS WELL AS RARELY DO WE SEE AN HOV HOA, UH, TO DO THE SAME.
AND THEY ACTUALLY PRESENTED A, UH, UH, A WRITTEN SUPPORT OF THAT.
SO I CAN SEE NO REASON NOT TO SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION.
MS. TOLERATE, I TEND TO AGREE WITH WHAT I'VE HEARD.
UH, YOU KNOW, I MADE A REVIEW OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD I SPOKE WITH, UH, UH, SIX
[00:40:01]
OF THE HOMEOWNERS IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA, ALL WERE POSITIVE.SOME HAD CONCERNS WE'VE EXPRESSED THOSE CONCERNS TONIGHT.
UM, THE HOA COVENANTS ALLOWED IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
SO THAT, THAT MEETS THE COATS.
UH, IT'S NOT A WHOLE WHOLE HOME RENT, WHICH I'M PLEASED TO SEE.
AND THE, AND THE TENANT OR THE OWNERS ARE PRESENT ANYTIME THERE'S TOURISTS IN HERE IN THE HOME.
UH, I'M SUPPORTIVE MR. CRINER AT THIS POINT.
YEAH, I JUST, AS I GO DOWN THESE THINGS, I LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC, NO TRAFFIC IMPACT, PROBABLY NO NOISE.
HOA IS ALL FOR ALL NEIGHBORS, EXCEPT THE ONE THAT SPOKE HERE TONIGHT, UH, AS WITH RESPECT TO THE CRIMINAL ASPECT OF IT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT.
UH, IF THERE IS AN ANSWER IT'S, IT'S NO DIFFERENT FROM, FROM A SHORT TERM RENTAL THAN A 90 DAY RENTAL.
UH, IF YOU READ FOR TWO WEEKS OR 90 DAYS, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET IT, EXCEPT IN THIS CASE, IF YOU, OVER 90 DAYS, EVEN JUST DO IT, YOU CAN RENT BY, RIGHT.
AND ALL THE CRIMINAL ELEMENTS COME IN AS A MATTER OF RIGHT.
SO, UH, I DON'T SEE A BIG IMPACT ON THAT.
AND SO I'M I'M FOR THIS APPLICATION.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
HI, BILL PC 22 DASH TWO, MOVE FORWARD TO THE SUPERVISOR.
NOW WE CAN CALL THE MOTION BY MR. TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A TOURIST HOME.
AND THEN THE EXISTING DWELLING LOCATED AT ONE OF THREE HAYMAKER PLACE.
MR. KING, MR. CRINER, MR. SMITH, MR. PETERMAN.
AND WHEN WILL IT GO BEFORE THE BOARD? WE KNOW YET FEBRUARY, MAYBE IT IS TENTATIVELY.
IS THIS TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR FEBRUARY 15TH? HOWEVER, IT WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND THE BOARD CHAIR, IF IT NEEDS TO BE PUSHED OUT DUE TO THE NUMBER OF APPLICANT.
WELL, MOST OF THESE GO FOR THE TENDERS.
I WON'T ASK THAT QUESTION, TRINITY TENTATIVELY.
[Application No. UP-980-22, Tambora Latin Cuisine]
IS A NUMBER OF NINE 80 DASH 22.SO THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE A NIGHTCLUB, TO BE OPERATED IN AN EXISTING RESTAURANT.
THE SHOPPING CENTER IS LOCATED AT 1900 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY, OR ROUTE 17.
THE SHOULDER CENTER OWNED BY RON AND OKAY.
SUSAN SCHROEDER IS ZONED FOR GENERAL BUSINESS.
THE SURROUNDING PARCELS ARE ZONED FOR GENERAL BUSINESS AND HIGH DENSITY, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS VACANT TO THE EAST ARE THREE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES LOCATED IN THE TAB LAKE SUBDIVISION SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS CUSTOM CAR CARE, WHICH SHARES THE DRIVEWAY WITH THE SCHROEDER CENTER AND TO THE WEST IS A MULTI-TENANT OFFICE BUILDING OWNED BY BIOGENETICS AND DOMINION FLOOR COVERING SHOWROOM, TAMBORA, LATIN CUISINE, OCCUPIES UNITS, A B AND C OF THE SHORTER CENTER.
EACH UNIT IS 1200 SQUARE FEET IN AREA.
THE OTHER BUSINESSES IN THE CENTER ARE A BARBERSHOP, PORTABLE SPA SHOWROOM, A CBD DISPENSARY, AND A TOBACCO STORE.
THIS APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED FOLLOWING A VERBAL WARNING ISSUED BY THE ZONING AND CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICE, WHICH WAS NOTIFIED BY THE COMMISSIONER OF THE REVENUE'S OFFICE, THAT THE RESTAURANT WAS CONDUCTING NIGHTCLUB ACTIVITY AND HAD EXPANDED INTO AN ADJOINING UNIT WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION.
A NOTICE OF VIOLATION FOR THE NIGHTCLUB USE WAS NOT ISSUED BECAUSE THE APPLICANT CEASED OPERATION PENDING THE OUTCOME OF THIS APPLICATION.
THE APPLICANT WANTS TO OFFER LATIN NIGHTS ON FRIDAYS AND SATURDAYS UNTIL 2:00 AM AND WOULD LIKE TO RETAIN THE OPTION TO STAY OPEN UNTIL 1:00 AM ON THURSDAY NIGHTS IN THE FUTURE, LATIN NIGHTS, WOULD MUSIC DANCING AND ALCOHOLIC DRINK SERVICE? THE ZONING ORDINANCE DEFINES A NIGHTCLUB AS AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT OFFERS LIVE MUSIC OR ENTERTAINMENT AND ALCOHOLIC DRINKS SERVICE.
AFTER 11:00 PM, NIGHTCLUBS ARE ALLOWED IN THE GBS ZONING DISTRICT UPON APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PER THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
THE SHOULDER CENTER IS REQUIRED TO HAVE 44 PARKING SPACES FOR PATRONS AND EMPLOYEES TO BE SHARED AMONG THE BUILDINGS TENANTS, THE SHOPPING CENTER PARKING LOT CONTAINS 54 PARKING SPACES, 41 SPACES IN THE FRONT
[00:45:01]
OF THE BUILDING ALONG ROUTE 17 AND 13 BEHIND THE BUILDING ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE THAT A BUTTS TAB LAKES, THE NEAREST HOME IS ABOUT 165 FEET FROM THE BACK OF THE RETAIL CENTER.THE COUNTY RECEIVED NO NOISE COMPLAINTS WHEN THE NIGHTCLUB WAS AN OPERATION.
HOWEVER, THE PROXIMITY OF THE OPERATION TO THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTIAL AREA RAISES CONCERNS ABOUT POSSIBLE IMPACTS TO THE RESIDENTS TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS.
STAFF HAS PROPOSED THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
THE NIGHTCLUB OPERATION SHALL BE LIMITED TO THURSDAY THROUGH SATURDAY EVENINGS.
THE DOORS SHALL REMAIN CLOSED WHILE THE NIGHTCLUB IS OPERATING.
THE PARKING LOT, LOCATED BEHIND THE BUILDING SHALL BE RESTRICTED TO EMPLOYEES ONLY DURING NIGHTCLUB HOURS.
PATRONS SHALL NOT BE ALLOWED TO LOITER OUTSIDE THE FACILITY OR IN THE ADJACENT PARKING LOTS.
THE APPLICANT SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MONITORING THE MEDIA AREA OUTSIDE THE FACILITY.
THE PARKING LOT LIGHTS SHALL REMAIN ACTIVE FOR AT LEAST ONE HOUR AFTER CLOSING TIME.
AND THE APPLICANT SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR REMOVING TRASH AND DEBRIS FROM THE PARKING LOT DAILY.
IN ADDITION, THE FOLLOWING MITIGATING MEASURES ARE ALREADY IN PLACE.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES A 35 FOOT VEGETATIVE BUFFER BETWEEN THESE TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
THERE'S ABOUT A NIGHT, THERE'S ABOUT 90 FEET OF WOODED AREA BETWEEN THE SHOULDER CENTER AND THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
THERE'S A BOARD ON BOARD PRIVACY FENCE ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE BEHIND THE BUILDING THAT APPEARS TO BE LOCATED ON THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
THE APPLICANT INSTALLED SOUNDPROOFING MATERIALS ON THE DOORS AND OTHER AREAS TO MINIMIZE NOISE AND HAS LIMITED THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS IN THE FACILITY TO TWO.
AND THE APPLICANT WILL BE REQUIRED TO ADHERE TO THE, YOUR COUNTY NOISE ORDINANCE, WHICH PROHIBITS NOISE LEVELS MEASURING MORE THAN 55 DECIBELS BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 11:00 PM AND 7:00 AM.
THERE ARE SEVERAL BUILDING CODE INFECTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, WHETHER OR NOT THIS APPLICATION IS APPROVED.
THE BUSINESS OWNER AND THE BUILDING SAFETY DIVISION ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO RESOLVE THESE ISSUES.
INITIALLY LOCATED IN UNITS A AND B THE RESTAURANT EXPANDED INTO THE ADJACENT UNITS C WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION FROM THE COUNTY, THEREBY INCREASING THE OCCUPANT CAPACITY FROM 90 TO WELL OVER 100 PERSONS, A NIGHTCLUB WITH AN OCCUPANT LOAD OF MORE THAN 100 WOULD REQUIRE THE INSTALLATION OF A FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM, BECAUSE THE FACILITY IS NOT EQUIPPED WITH SUCH A SYSTEM.
ANY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE BUSINESS WILL LIMIT THE OCCUPANCY TO A MAXIMUM OF 100 PERSONS.
THE BUILDING CODE ALSO REQUIRES AN ADDITIONAL PUBLIC RESTROOM.
THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO CONVERT AN EXISTING EMPLOYEE RESTROOM TO A FAMILY RESTROOM TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE.
WHEN A LATE NIGHT COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY IS PROPOSED ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, PROTECTING THE RESIDENTS QUALITY OF LIFE IS PARAMOUNT.
IN THIS CASE, STAFF BELIEVES THAT THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL PROVIDE ADEQUATE SAFEGUARDS AGAINST THE POSSIBLE ADVERSE EFFECTS ON RESIDENTS.
FURTHERMORE, THERE ARE NO NOISE COMPLAINTS ON RECORD FOR THE OPERATION, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE TOP LAKES HOA WERE NOTIFIED OF THIS HEARING, AND THEY OFFERED NO COMMENTS.
THEREFORE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS SET FORTH AND PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 22 DASH THREE R.
AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, MR. KING, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, WE'RE UH, AS I UNDERSTAND, WE'RE LIMITING IT TO A HUNDRED PATRONS.
UM, MY FIRST THOUGHT IS, UH, PARKING, UM, UH, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT SHOPPING CENTER AND, UM, I'M TRYING TO IMAGINE A HUNDRED CARS OR EVEN 50, UH, THERE.
SO I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA HANDLE PARKING FOR, FOR THIS, UH, BUSINESS.
AND IT'S NOT THE ONLY BUSINESS THAT ARE, OF COURSE AT NIGHTTIME.
THE OTHER BUSINESSES ARE LIKELY CLOSED, BUT, UH, UM, I, I I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT STAFF HAS TO SAY ABOUT THE PARKING SITUATION.
WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT, UM, A HUNDRED PATRONS WOULD COME EACH WITH THEIR OWN CAR, BUT, UM, FIRST SHOPPING CENTER LIKE THIS, UM, 44 PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED BY THE ORDINANCE, BUT IT HAS 10 MORE THAN THAT.
UM, IF THEY RUN OUT OF PARKING SPACES, THAT'S ALL THERE IS FOR THEM.
THEN MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT WHEN THE, WHEN THE, WHEN THE SHOPPING STRIP WAS APPROVED, THIS WAS NOT ONE OF THE USES THAT WAS UNDER CONSIDERATION.
UH, SO NOW WE'RE EXPANDING OUT IN A NIGHTCLUB AND I'M CONCERNED THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A PARKING ISSUE.
AND YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW, UH, THE REAR OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE FOR EMPLOYEES ONLY.
UM, I'M CONCERNED THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE ATTEMPTED TO PARK IN THE BACK AND PARK ELSEWHERE, UH, TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE FACILITY.
SO, UM, MAYBE I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT, SAME QUESTION.
WE'LL SEE WHAT KIND OF ANSWERS WE GET.
THERE'S KATRINA THAT OF COURSE, OVER MR. GRAS, HOW IS THE 55 DECIBELS MEASURED, UH, FROM SIX FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE THAT CONTINUOUS FROM THE, I'M SORRY, FROM THE SOURCE OF THE SOUND CONTINUOUS? I DON'T KNOW.
[00:50:01]
IS THERE ANY REPORTING OR ENFORCEMENT OF THAT LEVEL? IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S NOT CONTINUOUS.THIS IS PART OF THE, UH, THE CODE.
SO IT'S ENFORCEABLE BY THE POLICE, UH, WHEREVER THE CODE, I'M JUST QUESTIONING HOW THE CODE GETS ENACTED.
IF THERE'S NO CONTINUOUS MONITORING, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO ASSURE US THAT THE SOUND LEVELS STAY LOW? I'LL JUMP IN HERE FOR THIS.
SO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS THE ONE WHO MONITORS AND IT FORCES THE NOISE ORDINANCE.
SO IF THEY RECEIVED A COMPLAINT THAT THE NOISE WAS TOO LOUD, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WOULD GO OUT THERE AND, AND DO THEY HAVE ALL HAVE NOISE METERS IN THEIR CARS? AND THEY WOULD MEASURE THE NOISE AT THE DOOR OR IN THE PARKING LOT MORE THAN LIKELY, BUT THEY KNOW THEY WOULD NOT BE OUT THERE ALL THE TIME MONITORING TO MAKE SURE THE SOUND IS UP, BUT IT WOULD BE BASED ON COMPLAINTS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. SMITH APPLICANT HERE TO INTERNATIONAL QUESTIONS.
YES, MS. CRINER TO TRY AND KEEP THE COUNTDOWN TO LOW A HUNDRED PEOPLE.
I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT INCLUDES ALL THE EMPLOYEES AS WELL.
SO THE PATRONS WOULD BE DOWN TO 85 OR SOMETHING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YOU MENTIONED DOORS TO REMAIN CLOSE WHEN THE NIGHTCLUB IS AN OPERATION.
WAS THAT SO THAT FROM 11 8:00 PM TO CLOSING 2:00 PM THE DOOR, NOBODY ELSE CAN COME IN.
NO, IT'S JUST THAT THEY WON'T BE PROPPED OPEN.
THE COMMENT JUST KINDA CAUGHT MY ON THE SOAP.
AND THERE'S NO NOISE COMPLAINTS THAT WAS FORMAL NOTES.
NO-ONE'S COMPLAINTS TO DO YOU KNOW IF THE APPLICANT ITSELF RECEIVED ANY NOISE COMPLAINTS? I DON'T KNOW.
AND I CAN, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TALKED ABOUT SIX, THE DBS BEING WHERE THAT AND THE PARKING ISSUES, AND THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD FOR YOU.
I PROBABLY MESSED THAT UP, BUT I'M SORRY.
YOU KNOW, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND I THINK YOU HAVE 10 MINUTES IF I KEEP REMEMBERING.
UH, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
UM, SO PRETTY MUCH I'M A YOUNG MALE AT 27 YEARS OLD.
I SERVED PROUDLY IN THE UNITED STATES AIR FORCE FOR ALMOST A DECADE.
AND, UM, MY LAST DUTY STATION WAS HERE IN LANGLEY.
WE THOUGHT VIRGINIA WAS GREAT COMING FROM NEW YORK CITY.
I DON'T WANT MY KIDS GROWING UP IN NEW YORK CITY.
SO I THINK VIRGINIA IS A BETTER OPTION.
WE BOUGHT A HOUSE AND WE KIND OF DECIDED, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME OF OUR FAMILY MOVED DOWN FROM NEW YORK CITY DOWN HERE.
WE ALL GOT TOGETHER AND THOUGHT ABOUT OPENING A RESTAURANT.
UM, WE OPENED RECENTLY A YEAR AGO, UH, IN THE MIDST OF CORONAVIRUS, EXTREMELY CHALLENGING.
I MEAN, I HAVE NEVER DEALT WITH SO MUCH, UH, CHALLENGES IN MY LIFE.
AND, UM, SO OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THE, EVEN THE WORD NIGHTCLUBS SOUNDS EXTREME TO ME.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE PROVIDING FOOD AND WE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT BY A SUPPORTIVE FAMILY, MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE GET PAID AND WE WILL TRY TO FIND CREATIVE IDEAS OF, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY TO SURVIVE.
UM, I, MYSELF HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN GETTING PAID FOR THE WHOLE YEAR THAT THE PAST 365 DAYS.
SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIND CREATIVE WAYS TO GET BY AND TRY TO BE AS SUCCESSFUL AS POSSIBLE AND CONTRIBUTE.
UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY IS, IS A UNIQUE RESTAURANTS AT THE MEXICAN RESTAURANT.
AND SO WE PROVIDE EMPANADAS, YOU KNOW, UH, STEW CHICKEN AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IT WAS SLIGHTLY UNIQUE AND DIFFERENT, UM, TO THE AREA.
AND WE THINK THAT WE ARE MEETING THAT CRITERIA SO FAR.
AND SO FOR THIS SPECIFIC REQUEST, WE WERE LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO PROVIDE A WAY TO, TO, TO ALLOW FOR SOME LION DANCING, SALSA NIGHTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND WE EVEN HAD SOME PEOPLE WHERE WE HAD INSTRUCTOR COME OUT AND PROVIDE SOME SALSA DANCING CLASSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE GOT CONTACTED BY THE, UH, THE CODE ENFORCER AND THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT NEED TO BE MET BEFORE YOU GUYS DO THIS.
AND SO WE HAD A COUPLE, UH, PRIVATE EVENTS WE HAD TO FINISH, BUT WE STOPPED.
AND IN THE MEANTIME, WE'RE NOT DOING IT ANYMORE ON TO, UH, THE OUTCOME OF THIS.
UM, SO THE, WITH THE MILITARY BACKGROUND, WE ALWAYS TRY TO, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE WANT TO DO THINGS CORRECTLY.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PROVIDE ANYTHING NEGATIVE TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE WANT TO PROVIDE SOMETHING POSITIVE.
AND SO I THINK IF WE, IF WE CAN PLAN SOMETHING OUT CORRECTLY WHERE WE CAN PROVIDE THE APPROPRIATE SECURITY, UM, AND ADHERING TO ANY, UM, REQUIREMENT OF MY, UH, PROVIDED BY YOU GUYS, I THINK WE COULD MAKE IT WORK.
I THINK SO FAR, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DID HAVE A COMPLAINT FROM A, UM,
[00:55:01]
THERE, THE RESIDENTIAL AREA IN THE BACK A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE TURNED OFF THE BASE.SO WE LIMITED TO TWO SPEAKERS TURN OFF THE BASE.
WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THEM SINCE.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THE NOISE IS BOTHERING ME, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WE DID.
I TYPICALLY TRY TO GO IN THE BACK AND SEE HOW THE, THE, THIS IS SOUNDING AND TRY TO KEEP IT AT A VERY MINIMAL TO KEEP IT CONTROLLED.
SO MY PLAN SO FAR IS HAVE APPROPRIATE SECURITY, APPROPRIATE STAFF.
UM, I SPOKE BRIEFLY WITH THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT AND THERE COULD BE A WAY WHERE THERE COULD BE A PRESENCE OF, UH, POLICE THERE.
I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY THE DETAILS, BUT I HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
AND I'M THINKING IF, IF IT GETS APPROVED, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO IT CORRECTLY AND DO IT IN A SAFE MANNER, UH, TO PROVIDE, UH, A DECENT SPOT WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND DANCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
OBVIOUSLY I'M FOLLOWING ALL THE RULES AND REGULATIONS.
UM, I APOLOGIZE FOR MY, UH, I GUESS IGNORANCE, UM, IN THE PROCESS, THERE IS NO SPECIFIC CRITERIA OR GUIDELINES THAT YOU FOLLOW TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU MEET ALL THE STEPS I SPOKE WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
THEY SEE THEY WERE OKAY WITH IT.
I SPOKE WITH ABC A LICENSED, THEY WERE OKAY WITH IT.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T, THERE WAS NO REAL CONSTRUCTIONS, I GUESS, NO ELECTRICITY WAS TOUCHED, NO PLUMBING WAS TRUDGED.
IT WAS JUST MOSTLY DECORATION.
SO, SO WHEN WE WERE CONTACTED BY THE CODE ENFORCER, I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, I APOLOGIZE.
I, HEY, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I HAD DONE ANYTHING WRONG SPECIFICALLY.
I'M WILLING TO, I'M VERY, UM, WE'RE VERY, WE TRY TO WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE A PROBLEM TO THE CITY AND WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO, UM, DO SOMETHING DECENT AND NIGHTCLUB.
IT SOUNDS EXTREME AT LEAST IN MY, UM, DEFINITION, BUT I GUESS, UM, FROM THE DEFINITION OF THE CITY, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED THE SPECIAL PERMIT AND TO BE CONSIDERED A NIGHTCLUB.
BUT IF YOU GO INTO OUR RESTAURANT, WE TRY TO PROVIDE A VERY CLEAN, UNIQUE, VERY NICE RESTAURANT FOR THE PUBLIC.
AND SO IN MY EYES, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE A NIGHTCLUB, BUT I GUESS, UH, THIS PART OF THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW AGAIN, WE'RE A FAMILY.
UH, MY WIFE, YOU KNOW, SHE HELPS ME OUT SO MUCH EVERY SINGLE DAY.
UH, FRIENDS, MY MOTHER WORKS WITH ME AND MY LITTLE SISTER.
I MEAN, EVERYBODY WORKS THERE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT BY IT'S, IT'S BEEN EXTREMELY CHALLENGING AND WE'RE WILLING TO COMPLY WITH ANY RULES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE'RE VERY, WE, WE WANT TO WORK WITH, UM, IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WE'RE WILLING TO WORK AS WELL WITH, UM, TO TRY TO MITIGATE AND MAKE IT HAPPEN.
SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS I'M WILLING TO ANSWER THEM AT THIS MOMENT.
UM, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, UM, YOU, OBVIOUSLY, YOUR FAMILY IS, UH, IS HELPING YOU WORK THE, UH, THE RESTAURANT.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER EMPLOYEES OTHER THAN THE FAMILY? UH, YES.
UH, SO WE HAVE ABOUT, UH, ROUGHLY 12 EMPLOYEES RIGHT NOW.
SO WE HAVE, THERE'S MAYBE THREE OR FOUR THAT ARE NOT FAMILY RELATED THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, THEY, THEY ASKED AND WE INTERVIEWED THEM AND WORKED OUT.
SO THEY WORKED FOR US AND THEN AT LEAST SIX OR SEVEN MORE PEOPLE ARE FAMILY RELATED, BUT WE DO HAVE, UM, WE HAVE COOKS ARE NOT RELATED TO US, AND WE HAVE SERVERS AS WELL, THAT ARE NOT RELATED THAT, UH, WE PROVIDE OPPORTUNITY AND WORK FOR.
UM, YOUR SALSA INSTRUCTOR, UH, IS HE A VOLUNTEER OR SHE A VOLUNTEER OR IS IT, UM, SOMEONE THAT YOU HIRED? UH, YES.
SO THAT WAS A SPECIFIC EVENT AND WE ONLY GOT TO DO A ONE TIME.
UM, BUT THEY CAME OVER AND SAID IT WAS LIKE SOME SORT OF A PARTNERSHIP, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE CAN DO.
MAYBE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE CHARGE AT THE DOOR.
UM, SO THAT WAS THEIR WAY OF GETTING SOME MONEY.
IT WAS, IT WAS NOT MUCH, IT WAS LIKE SEVEN, EIGHT BUCKS PER PERSON.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY IF WE SOLD ANY, UH, BEVERAGES OR ANY FOOD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEN THAT WOULD BE THE WAY THAT WE MADE US SOME INCOME.
AND THEN THE SPECIFICALLY FOR FRIDAY NIGHT WOULD BE MORE LIKE A DJ PLAYING SOME MUSIC AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT, UM, THAT EVENT IS SPECIFICALLY WITH THE SALSA CLASSES.
WE WERE WORKING IN COORDINATION WITH THE UNIVERSITY, UH, CHRISTOPHER UNIVERSITY IN NEWPORT NEWS.
AND SO WE HAD SOME OF THOSE AND IT WAS EARLIER, IT WAS FROM SEVEN TO 11.
UM, BUT WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DO THOSE THINGS MORE FREQUENTLY.
AND WE SAW THAT PEOPLE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THAT, AND IT WAS A VERY CLEAN AND VERY NICE ENVIRONMENT.
AND AT THE SAME TIME WE, WE WANT TO PROTECT.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NOT ANYBODY'S ABLE TO GO THERE.
WE WANT A SPECIFIC TYPE OF PROUD AS WELL.
SO WE, WE WANT TO PROTECT THAT AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO US CAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO BE DEALING WITH, YOU KNOW, IRRESPONSIBLE AND CRAZY PEOPLE.
I, I APPLAUD YOUR, UH, ENTHUSIASM AS A BUSINESS OWNER.
AS YOU MAY HAVE HEARD MY QUESTION.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE PARKING.
I'M THINKING TO MYSELF, DOING A MATH, EVEN IF PEOPLE CAME IN TO BUY TWO AND YOU KNOW, DOUBLED UP THE PARKING LOT WOULD BE ALMOST FULL.
UM, I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU HOW YOU PLAN TO ADDRESS IF YOU'RE AS SUCCESSFUL AS YOU WANT TO BE.
AND WITH THE LIMIT OF A HUNDRED PEOPLE, I JUST CANNOT SEE A HUNDRED PEOPLE IN THAT SHOPPING
[01:00:01]
CENTER PARKING LOT.UH, I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, 15 OF THEM MAY BE EMPLOYEES THAT STILL THESE 85 THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE PACKED IN THERE.
UM, THAT'S W ONE QUESTION, MY SECOND QUESTION IS IT'S ABOUT SECURITY.
THEN YOU SAID YOU'VE TALKED TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
UM, I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOU, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PROVIDE SECURITY, UM, FOR THE, UH, FOR THE NIGHTCLUB? YES.
AND SO, UM, EVERY TIME, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SAT DOWN WITH A FAMILY OF, HEY, HOW CAN WE MAKE THIS WORK? WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S LONG-TERM.
AND SO WE'RE NOT MONEY HUNGRY NECESSARILY.
WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO AT LEAST PAY FOR OUR BILLS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING THE A HUNDRED PEOPLE CAPACITY, IF WE HAVE TO LIMIT IT, WE WILL LIMIT IT.
IF, IF, IF WE HAVE TO, AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PEOPLE JUST SAY, HEY, WE CAN'T TAKE ANYBODY ELSE.
UM, AND IF WE HAVE TO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF ASSISTANCE OUTSIDE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DEAL WITH THE PARKING LOT AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S THIS FIELD ALREADY.
WE JUST CAN'T ACCEPT ANYBODY ELSE.
THEN WE WILL NEED TO HAVE A PLAN AND A STRUCTURE TO DEAL WITH THAT.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S SAFE AND LONG-TERM, INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY CHASING MONEY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO PAY OUR BILLS AND LIVE A DECENT LIFE AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOUR TOWN OR COMMUNITY.
UH, SO THAT WILL BE, UH, UM, IF WE HAVE TO PUT A CAP AND BE OUTSIDE AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, IT'S FIELD ALREADY, WE JUST CAN'T ACCEPT ANYBODY ELSE.
THEN WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT.
AND THE OTHER QUESTION WITH THE SECURITY.
SO WE DO PROVIDE OUR OWN SECURITY.
HOWEVER, ADDITIONALLY, TO THAT SECURITY, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY WHERE WE COULD HAVE, CAUSE I SEEN OTHER PLACES I KNEW PRONOUCE THEY'LL HAVE A POLICE PRESENCE THERE.
AND THAT TYPICALLY HELPS A LOT WITH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T, IF THEY GET ROWDY, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEY'RE MORE INCLINED NOT TO DO IT, GIVEN THAT THERE'S POLICE PRESENCE THERE.
SO I BRIEFLY SPOKE WITH THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT.
THERE'S I, AGAIN, I'M STILL NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE HOW TO DO IT, BUT THERE COULD BE A POTENTIAL WAY OF DOING THIS.
I, I GOTTA CONTINUE TO DO MY RESEARCH ON THAT AND SEE IF THEY CAN AT LEAST SUPPORT THAT IN.
I'M STILL NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE, BUT I DO KNOW THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY TO GET THAT DONE AS WELL.
WHEN WE SAY A HUNDRED PEOPLE, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT BOTH SIDES OF THE RESTAURANT? SO ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP THE RESTAURANT PART OF IT OPEN WHILE YOU HAVE, SO YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP THAT OPEN TILL ONE OR TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
SO EVERYBODY COMES IN SIDES OF THE OPEN.
IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A DECENT SPACE.
WE HAVE A BATHROOM YOU'RE GOING TO ADD TO THIS CAUSE THAT'S KIND OF A LONG DISTANCE.
SO WE HAVE A BATHROOM ALREADY.
SO WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE IT FOR THE F FOR EVERYBODY.
SO PRETTY MUCH WE HAVE SOME CURTAINS RIGHT NOW.
SO WE JUST OPENED THE CURRENTS.
IT'LL GET RID OF THEM AND JUST MAKE IT PAINT SOME WALLS AND THEN PAINT THE BATHROOM AND DECORATE IT AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
LIKE WE NEVER TOUCHED THAT BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE UNIT.
SO THERE WILL BE THREE TOTAL BATHROOMS. THE OTHER TENANTS THAT ARE USING THE PARKING, ALL OF THEM ARE CLOSED BY WHAT TIME? UH, YEAH, SO TYPICALLY I NOTICED AROUND APM.
THERE'S THERE'S NOBODY ELSE THERE.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I, I APPLAUD ANY OPPORTUNITY TO, TO BRING IN CULTURE AND ENTERTAINMENT TO THE COUNTY THAT I KNOW WHERE WE'RE LACKING OF THAT.
SO I APPLAUD YOUR, YOUR EFFORTS AND TRYING TO DO THAT.
MY CONCERN IS WITH THIS FACILITY, A FEW QUESTIONS ON YOUR, ON YOUR APPLICATION.
YOU SAID THAT THE DOOR SHALL REMAIN CLOSED WHILE THE NIGHTCLUB IS AN OPERATION.
MY QUESTION IS, HOW CAN YOU, HOW DO YOU ENFORCE THAT? ARE YOU PUTTING ALARMS ON THE DOORS? YOU PUTTING A SIGN? IT SAYS ALARM WILL SOUND IF YOU OPEN IT OR COUNT, HOW DO YOU CONTROL THAT? YES.
SO I THINK IT'S MORE SPECIFICALLY THE REAR DOORS.
SO THE REAR DOORS, THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE WILL BE THE STAFF INDIVIDUALS.
OBVIOUSLY, IF THERE'S SOME SORT OF EMERGENCY PEOPLE COULD EXIT THAT WAY, THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO UNLOCK.
SO THE MAIN THING IS JUST TO KEEP THE DOOR LOCKED AND THERE'S NO KEYS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
YOU CAN PHYSICALLY UNLOCK THE DOOR.
AND SO, AND THEN THE FRONT DOORS THEY SELF CLOSE.
SO THEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU OPEN THE DOOR AND YOU COME IN THE DOOR, JUST KIND OF CLOSE ON ITS OWN.
SO OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE UNLOCKED, BUT THEY WILL NEVER STAY OPEN ON THEIR OWN.
YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU COME IN THERE, THEY WOULD JUST BE CLOSED BY THEMSELVES PRETTY MUCH.
AND THEN THE REAR DOORS, WE'RE FINDING CREATIVE WAYS TO ADD A SOUND THEN IN MATERIALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO MINIMIZE ANY NOISE SO THAT WE DON'T BOTHER THE NEIGHBORS IN THE BACK AND EVEN DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, ONLY HAVING TWO SPEAKERS RIGHT NOW AND THEN NO BASE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
NO SUB-WOOFER AND THEN JUST LORING, LORING THE SUN AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
AND KIND OF GOING ALONG WITH THE SAME,
[01:05:01]
UH, AGENDA WITH THE PARKING LOT, UM, PARKING BEHIND THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE RESTRICTED TO EMPLOYEES ONLY I SAW ON THE APPLICATION.UM, BUT IT SAYS ONLY DURING NIGHTCLUB HOURS AND PATRONS WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO LOITER OUTSIDE OF THE FACILITY OR IN THE ADJACENT PARKING LOT, UH, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MONITORING IN THAT MONITORING THAT THAT'S TAKEN PLACE WHILE NIGHTCLUB IS OPEN AND WHAT PHYSICAL BARRIERS OR MEANS WILL THERE BE IN PLACE TO PREVENT PATRONS FROM WALKING AROUND THE BUILDING TO CONGREGATE BEHIND THE BUILDING? UH, BUT WHAT PHYSICAL BARRIERS DO YOU HAVE TO KEEP CARS FROM COMING BACK THERE AND FROM PATRIOTS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE, THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS.
AND SO, SO EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY 12 EMPLOYEES, THEY DON'T ALL WORK AT THE SAME TIME.
AND SO MY IDEA WITH THAT SPECIFICALLY IS AROUND NINE OR 8:00 PM, HAVE AN ACTUAL CAR PARK ACROSS THE STREET.
SO TO MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY'S ABLE IS ABLE TO COME IN THE BAG.
SO WE'LL JUST PARK, I THINK IT MAY REQUIRE ONE OR TWO CARS OF OUR OWN.
SO OBVIOUSLY I'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE STAFF IS THERE.
SO OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE NOT LEAVING, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THEIR CARS BEING STUCK IN THE BACK.
SO WE JUST PHYSICALLY PUT TWO CARS THAT WILL BLACK ANYBODY ELSE FROM BEING ABLE TO DRIVE, DRIVE AND PARK IN THE BACK.
AND THAT THAT'S ENOUGH TIME WHERE EVERYBODY ELSE, UH, FROM THE, UM, MALL THEY ALREADY LEFT.
SO, UM, SO, SO, UH, IT WOULD NOT AFFECT THE OTHER CENTERS, THE OTHER UNITS.
AND KIND OF CAVEATING TO THE NOISE CONCERNS IS WHERE YOU STATED AT YOU'RE GOING TO LIMIT TO THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS IN THE FACILITY TO, TO, UH, HOWEVER YOU ALSO STATED THAT YOU WISH TO OCCASIONALLY HAVE LIVE BANDS.
UH, WHEREAS THOSE TWO SPEAKERS REALLY WOULDN'T HAVE A BEARING ON THE INCREASED NOISE LEVEL FROM A LIVE BAND.
UH, SO HOW WILL YOU MONITOR AND CONTROL THE ADHERENCE TO SECTION 17 DASH 59 OF THE COUNTY CODE THAT REQUIRES THAT YOU KEEP THE DECIMALS BELOW 55 OUTSIDE OF THE FACILITY? HOW WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ENSURE THAT YOU'RE COMPLYING WITH THAT? UH, YES.
AND SO THE, A LOT OF, A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH YOUR GUYS'S APPROVAL AND YOUR GUYS'S.
UM, UH, SO, SO ANY REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU GUYS ADD TO US, WE'LL, WE'LL ADJUST TO, THAT'S A MEANING WE HAVE IMPLANTED, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO BRING SOME BANDS HERE AND THEN, BUT IF, IF, IF IT'S TOO MUCH OR IT'S TOO LOUD OR YOU GUYS ARE CONCERNED WITH THAT, THEN I'M OKAY.
YOU KNOW, NOT BRINGING ANYBODY LIKE THAT.
I TYPICALLY WHAT I, YOU KNOW, I, I'M ALWAYS A LITTLE BIT STRESSED OUT BECAUSE AT ANYTIME THERE'S A SODA NOISE, I PERSONALLY WALK AROUND, I GO TO THE BACK AND I WALK QUIETLY AND TRY TO SEE HOW FAR THE BASS GOES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WITH, WITH A VAN, UM, THE BIGGEST THINGS WOULD BE THE BASE.
UM, THE BASE TRAVELS OUTSIDE OF THE DOORS, ANY, ANY, UM, LIKE THE HIGH HATS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT TYPICALLY STAYS INSIDE, BUT THE BASE WILL TRAVEL.
SO THAT MY BIGGEST CONCERN PER SE WILL BE THE BASE.
UM, SO TYPICALLY IN RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T USE THE BASE AND IF I EVER BRING A BAND AND YOU GUYS DO SUPPORT THAT, THEN I'M GOING TO FIND A WAY FOR THE BASE OF B OFF, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE, UM, THAT, THAT PLAN IS SPECIFICALLY, IF I CAN, THEN I'M FINE NOT BRINGING ANY, ANY BATS.
AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADD TO THE PARKING CONCERNS.
UM, AND WHEN YOU'RE THE FACILITY CONTAINS 41 SPACES FOR PATRONS, AND IF THIS WAS A STANDALONE NIGHTCLUB OPERATION, IT WOULD REQUIRE OBVIOUSLY ALMOST SIXTIES, UH, PARKING SPOT, UH, HAVE THE NEIGHBORING BUSINESSES BEEN MADE AWARE OF THE POTENTIAL PARKING ISSUE THAT YOU MAY HAVE WITH, WITH EXCEEDING THAT PARKING.
DO YOU HAVE AGREEMENTS OR MAYBE DISCUSSED AGREEMENTS WITH THEM TO ALLOW OVERFLOW PARKING OR HAVE YOU ADDRESSED THAT IF WE'VE HAD A SIMILAR ISSUE, UH, WITH THE SIMILAR ESTABLISHMENT DOWN ON 17 AND, AND, UM, UH, OH, DUSTER POINT WHERE VEHICLES ARE PARKED ALL OVER THE PLACE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM FOR, FOR PARKING THERE.
SO HOW DO YOU ADDRESS ENSURING THAT WE'RE NOT IMPEDING ON OUR NEIGHBORS AND ADJOINING BUSINESSES? UH, YES.
SO I NOTICED THROUGHOUT THE TIME AFTER 8:00 PM, THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOBODY THERE.
SO, SO THAT WILL BE PAST THAT IT WILL BE THE ONLY TIME THAT IT COULD AFFECT THEM.
UM, SO FAR ALL OF THEM DID EXPRESS THAT THEY GOT THE LETTERS AND THEY HAVEN'T HAD ANY CONCERNS.
ALSO THE, THE OWNER OF THE SHOPPING CERNER'S HERE WITH ME, UH, MRS. SCHROEDER, UH, SHE'S OLDER, SO I CAN ASSIST IF SHE WANTS TO SPEAK.
UM, AND SHE'S BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE AND EVERY, AND EVEN TODAY I HAD HAD IT, SOME OF THE OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN THE RESTAURANT AND THEY'VE BEEN SUPPORTIVE.
SO THEY, THEY, THEY HAVEN'T EXPRESSED THAT IT AFFECTS THEM IN A NEGATIVE WAY.
MY QUESTION'S BEEN ASKED ALREADY MS. CRINER.
WELL, MOST OF MINE HAVE TOO, BUT I HAVEN'T.
PART OF IT IS THE PARKING, UH,
[01:10:01]
I KNOW EXISTING BUSINESSES NOW YOU'VE GOT AGREEMENTS, BUT IF ANOTHER BUSINESS COMES IN THERE AND WANTS TO STAY OPEN TIL 11 O'CLOCK FOR WHATEVER REASON OR 12 O'CLOCK, WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR CONTINGENCY PLANS FOR PARKING THAT IS NOW TAKEN UP BY THEIR BUSINESS? UH, YES, I GUESS AS I SAID THAT I HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IN THE MOMENT, BUT AGAIN, UH, W WE, WE, WE ARE PEOPLE THAT TRY TO GET ALONG, SO WE WILL FIND WAYS TO, TO MAKE THAT WORK.UM, AND AGAIN, WE TOO MANY PEOPLE, I THINK IT WOULD GET OUT OF HAND.
AND SO WE WANT TO KEEP IT AT A CERTAIN AMOUNT.
UH, THE MORE YOU PROMOTE AND THE MORE YOU DO CERTAIN THINGS, THE MORE PEOPLE MORE LIKELY TO COME.
UM, FOR US, I THINK WE WANT IT TO HAVE A SPECIFIC CROWD THAT STEADY THAT'S GOOD, AND THAT DOESN'T OVERFLOW WITH THOSE.
UH, BUT ANY CONCERNS THAT MOVING FORWARD, IF IT IS APPROVED, THAT PEOPLE BRING UP, WE'LL FIND CREATIVE WAYS OF FIGURING THAT OUT.
AND OF COURSE, IF YOU GUYS SUPPORT AND ANOTHER QUESTION, THE, THE REFRIGERATOR STORY, JUST OUTSIDE OF, OF AREA, UH, IN THE BACK, DID YOU PUT THAT IN OR WAS THAT ALREADY THERE BEFORE SOME APPS? I DIDN'T SEE IT IN OTHERS.
THE FIRST TIME I SAW ANYTHING OFFICIAL WAS TONIGHT WHEN ONE OF THE MAPS SHOWED UP THE STUFF THAT WAS IN THE APPLICATION.
UH, WHEN WE GOT ABEL'S OUTSIDE ALREADY, IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME THAT IT'S BEEN LIKE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG I KNOW THAT PLACE HAS BEEN A RESTAURANT FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
I FOUND THAT INTERESTING THAT THE ACTUAL, THE FREEZER AND THE REFRIGERATOR WERE OUTSIDE AND IT MAKES IT CHALLENGING BECAUSE WE DEAL WITH MOSQUITO ISSUES BECAUSE OF THAT IN THE SUMMER.
AND SO, BUT YEAH, THEY WERE THERE WHEN WE GOT IT.
I USED TO, I THINK THERE USED TO BE A GERMAN RESTAURANT IN THERE AT ONE TIME.
AND WE USED TO COME IN HERE FAIRLY OFTEN, UH, LICENSING ISSUES, PARKING ISSUES, DBS HOST.
MY OTHER QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED.
UH, THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, UH, MANY OF US UP HERE SERVED IN VARIOUS WAYS AND STILL SERVING IN VARIOUS WAYS.
SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THAT, WITH THAT SAID, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
WE DO HAVE TWO OTHER APPLICANTS, NOT APPLICANTS TO OTHER PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS APPLICATION.
AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
HE DOESN'T WANT IT TO NOTE THAT, UM, THEY, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO PHYSICALLY BLOCK, UM, WITH A CAR TO DO THE BACK PARKING AREA, UH, FOR FIRE SAFETY REASONS, BUT, UM, THEY MAY HAVE SOMEBODY MONITORING THE OUTSIDE.
I THINK THEY'LL WORK THAT OUT WITH HER.
UH, MR. UH, ROB COR CORN COKE.
UH, STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
I LIVE AT A 1 0 4 ADELE COURT IN THE TAB LAKES SUBDIVISION.
UM, I'M HERE TO ASK YOU TO NOT APPROVE THIS, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UM, FOR THIS, UH, NIGHTCLUB, UH, FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.
ONE, UM, THIS BUSINESS IS, AS WE TALKED ABOUT IS, IS DIRECTLY BEHIND NUMEROUS, UH, HOMES IN VERY, VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO A WHOLE BUNCH OF HOMES.
UM, AND DESPITE THE EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD HERE WITH THE PADDING ON THE WALLS AND, AND THE, AND THE REDUCTION OF THE SPEAKERS AND WHATNOT, UH, IT'S STILL GONNA HAVE, IT'S STILL GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, MUSIC AND PEOPLE OUT AND ABOUT CARS MOVING OUT AND ABOUT, UH, LATE AT NIGHT, UH, UP TO THREE NIGHTS A WEEK, UH, AND THAT'S GONNA AFFECT THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE RESIDENTS, UH, IN, IN TABLETS, UH, TO, UH, YOUR COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS, IS VERY FOCUSED ON IMPROVING ROUTE 17 IN GENERAL, AND SPECIFICALLY THIS PORTION OF ROUTE 17, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S NUMEROUS JUNK YARDS THERE, AND THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN A FOCUS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO, TO IMPROVE THAT AREA.
AND, AND IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE, LIKE A NIGHTCLUB WOULD, WOULD HELP IMPROVE AND MAKE AN IMPROVEMENT TO THE AREA.
UH, AND IT WOULD BE BETTER USE IF WE HAD MORE FAMILY FRIENDLY KIND OF RESTAURANTS AND BUSINESSES, UH, COMING INTO THE AREA.
UH, LASTLY, YOU KNOW, LET'S BE HONEST, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CRIME IS ON THE RISE ACROSS THE AREA, UM, UH, ALL ACROSS HAMPTON ROADS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU TURN ON THE NEWS ANY TIME YOU SEE LATE NIGHT SHOOTINGS, UM, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY AROUND, YOU KNOW, LATE NIGHT KIND OF ESTABLISHMENTS, CLUBS, BARS, UH, THAT SORT OF THING.
SO IT'S, IT'S A SAFETY CONCERN.
UM, AND IN FACT, ACTUALLY FIVE YEARS AGO, FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO NOW, UH, IF YOU RECALL, THERE WAS A MURDER AT THE COUNTY GRILL WHEN THEY WERE HOSTING A LATE NIGHT EVENT, UH, OVER A THANKS GIVING WEEKEND,
[01:15:01]
UM, WHICH ACTUALLY KIND OF BRINGS UP ANOTHER POINT.WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, SECURITY.
UM, WE DON'T KNOW THESE GOING TO BE ARMED SECURITY GUARDS, THAT THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF TRAINING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
CAUSE IF YOU RECALL WHAT THE COUNTY GRILL INCIDENT, THERE WAS ACTUALLY A SECURITY GUARD IN IT, IN A GUN BATTLE, UH, WITH, WITH THE, UH, PERSON.
UM, SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, MY FINAL POINT ON THAT TOO, SUE, PLEASE, YOU KNOW, HELP US CONTINUE TO MAKE TABLETS IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS, A SAFE PLACE FOR, FOR FAMILIES IN THE COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU, MR. COOK, HAVE ONE OTHER, UH, PERSON THAT WANTS TO SPEAK, UH, MR. EBERT, WOULD YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME COME HERE.
UH, I'M KEITH HIEBERT OF, OF A 1 0 6 ADELE COURT.
I AM ALSO THE BOARD PRESIDENT OF THE TAB LAKES, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
I HAVE A FEW CONCERNS ABOUT THIS, UH, PERMIT AND THEY ARE AS FOLLOWS.
UH, I CALLED THE YORK COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT LATE THIS AFTERNOON, AND I HAD A DEPUTY AND I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T GET HIS NAME, BUT HE TOLD ME THEY HAVE ONE NOISE COMPLAINT ON RECORD OF THE, UH, TAM BAR RESTAURANT.
UM, NUMBER TWO, UH, CONCERN LIKE ROB COOK SAID ABOUT PRIME.
WE KNOW THE SPEEDWAY RESTAURANT, WHICH IS ON THE CORNER OF ROUTE 17 AND, AND MIDDLE-CLASS PLACE HAS HAD A BREAK IN AND A ROBBERY.
WE ALSO HAD A SHOOTING LAST DECEMBER, THE GLOUCESTER COUNTY SHERIFF ON LESLIE LANE.
UM, SO MY CONCERN IS A NIGHTCLUB CLOSE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MAY INCREASE CRIME.
UM, ROB PACE, WHO LIVES AT 1 0 3, ADELE CORP HAS SPOKE TO THE MANAGER.
AT LEAST ONCE HE'S GOT A TWO-YEAR-OLD GRANDSON LIVING AND HE SPOKE TO THE MANAGER ABOUT NOISE.
I'VE HEARD THE NOISE AT LEAST TWO TIMES, AND I WISH I WOULD HAVE CALLED THE YORK COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TO GO ON RECORD ABOUT THAT COMPLAINT, BUT I DO IT.
SO IN CONCLUSION, I RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO NOT APPROVE THIS SPECIAL PERMIT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? ANY QUESTIONS? LET ME START OVER HERE, MR. SMITH, ANYTHING.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO APPEAR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WE SHOULD SPEAK ON THIS APPLICANT? YES, PLEASE.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
I AM LIVING IN THE NAVY IN THE PROPERTY OF 1 0 5, WHICH BUS ARE RIGHT BEHIND THIS BUILDING OR UNHEARD NOISE ALMOST EVERY MONTH.
AND MY WIFE AND I TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO COMPLY, BUT I NEVER GO AHEAD TO DO IT YET, BUT SINCE I HAVE THE CHANCE TO SPEAK HERE, I REALLY HEARD THE NOISE EVEN THOUGH LATE INTO THE NIGHT AT 1:00 AM.
SO, UH, AND ALSO, UH, I CAN SMELL THE FOOT.
YOU CAN SAY THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN TELL HOW CLOSE MY PROPERTY CLOSE TO THIS AREA.
AND EVEN THOUGH THEY SAID THEY ARE GOING TO NOT ALLOW A CUSTOMER TO GET INTO THE BACK PARKING LOT.
AND, BUT THEY CANNOT GUARANTEE THIS.
IF THEY DO NOT PUT ANY PHYSICAL BAR OVER THERE AND ALSO THE, THE 90 FEET OF WOOD, OR IT DOES NOT RECOGNIZE THAT, OR, AND, AND PEOPLE CAN WALK THROUGH THE WOODS AND GET INTO MY BACKYARD.
THERE IS A BIG R A BIG HOLE, WHICH IS USED TO J WATER AND PEOPLE CAN SCROLL BACK INTO MY YARD.
I REALLY CONCERNED THE SAFETY ISSUE, AND ALSO IT WAS SAD THAT THE DOG WILL KEEP CROWS, BUT HOW CAN YOU GUARANTEE WHEN PEOPLE COMES OUT AND THE MUSEUM NOT PASS OUT, AND I HAVE OUR HIGH SCHOOL KIDS AND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KIDS LIVING IN THE HOUSE AND MY HIGH SCHOOL KIDS NEED TO WAKE UP AT SIX O'CLOCK AND THE NOISE IS REALLY A BIG ISSUE FOR MY FABRY.
AND SAFETY IS THE ISSUE FOR EVERYBODY.
I VOTED NOT TO APPROVE THIS NIGHT CROP APPLICATION, AND I DO APPRECIATE YOU, UH, EVERYBODY TO IN BUSINESS CARD TO MAKE A LIVE, BUT IF, MAKE TOO MUCH TROUBLE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT SHOULD BE RECONSIDERED.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE OUT THAT WE SHOULD JUST SPEAK? OH, YES, SIR.
UH, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AGAIN.
I'VE RESIDED AT 1 5 1 DENNIS DRIVE.
UH, FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO APPLAUD MR. BAUTISTA AND HIS FAMILY FOR THE EFFORTS THAT YOU'RE
[01:20:01]
DOING TO BRING, UH, MORE CULTURE, AS WELL AS, UH, OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESIDENTS, YOUR COUNTY, UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO ACTUALLY BE CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE SAFETY CONCERNS, UH, THAT MANY BROUGHT FORWARD PREVIOUSLY.UH, I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO APPLAUD EACH OF YOU ON, ON, ON THOSE, UH, THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS.
UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO TRY AND HIGHLIGHT TO THE COMMUNITY HERE THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO JUST COME TOGETHER AND TRY AND FIGURE A SOLUTION OUT, RIGHT? THIS APPLICATION, UH, HAS CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS.
YES, THERE WAS SOME CODE VIOLATIONS.
THERE ARE SOME CERTAIN RUSTIC STRANGE RESTRICTIONS WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PARKING.
I KNOW I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT AS BEING AN OWNER ABOUT THE SAFETY OF MY EMPLOYEES IN THE BACK, UH, AND THE LIGHTING AND THINGS OF CONCERN THROUGH THAT, AS WELL AS THE LIGHTING THAT DOESN'T AFFECT THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE BEHIND WITH THE NOISE.
I THINK THERE'S SOME AMICABLE SOLUTIONS HERE WHERE YOU MAY WANT TO LOOK AT THIS APPLICANT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S STUDENTS THAT ARE RIGHT BEHIND IT.
YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER JUST CHANGING IT FROM A THURSDAY THROUGH SATURDAY TO A FRIDAY TO SATURDAY.
YES, IT CAN HINDER THINGS, BUT I THINK THAT THIS PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE STAFF CAN EASILY WORK WITH THE BAUTISTA'S BECAUSE AS MR. KING POINTED OUT, WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR CATASTROPHIC SUCCESS.
WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE THESE TYPES OF ENTREPRENEURIAL INVESTMENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO WHERE IS A BETTER LOCATION APPROPRIATE FOR THIS KIND OF NIGHTCLUB? DO WE HAVE BUILDINGS THAT, THAT CAN POTENTIALLY HELP THEM EXPAND? RIGHT NOW, OUR PARKING HAS OPPORTUNITY TO, TO LIMIT THE CAPACITY, NOT JUST BASED UPON THE FIRE CODES, AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE STAFF TO COME OUT AND SAY THAT, YES, LEGALLY WE CAN'T PUT A, A VEHICLE BLOCKING FIRE HAZARDS.
SO I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT.
BUT WHAT I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT HERE IS THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES AND WE NEED TO CAPITALIZE THEM ON THIS BY ENCOURAGING THIS, WORKING WITH OUR NEIGHBORS SO THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE PARTIES INVOLVED TO KEEP A LIMITED, UH, UH, IMPACT.
SO IT DOESN'T AFFECT STUDENTS TRYING TO WAKE UP EARLY IN THE NEXT MORNING BY LIMITING IT FROM FOR FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, LET THEM BUILD UP THEIR BASE.
LET'S HA HAVE THE STAFF HELP FIND OTHER, UH, COMPLEX FACILITIES THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY ALLOW FOR THEM TO HAVE THE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS TO GO OVER A HUNDRED PERCENT CAPACITY OR A HUNDRED PERSONNEL CAPACITY THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES HERE.
AND WE COLLECTIVELY, AS A COMMUNITY NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO DO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE, BUT I GUARANTEE YOU THAT SOME, SOME YOU ON THIS PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE SOME OF THOSE IDEAS AND CAN WORK WITH THIS FAMILY.
BUT UNTIL THEN, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE ENCOURAGE THIS KIND OF GROWTH AND OPPORTUNITIES IN OUR COMMUNITY BY, BY LIMITING IT SO THAT IT DOESN'T IMPACT THOSE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE CONCERNS OR DON'T HIT OUR SAFETY AND CAPACITY CONCERNS.
I'M GOING CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TALK AMONGST THE COMMISSIONERS.
I THINK I'M GOING TO START OVER HERE FOR MR. SMITH FIRST, SINCE I'VE BEEN GOING OVER HERE ALL NIGHT LONG.
SO, WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UH, AND AGAIN, I APPLAUD AND APPRECIATE AND THOROUGHLY REVIEWED YOUR, YOUR APPLICATION.
UH, AND AGAIN, I, UH, HE, HE ALMOST READ MY NOTES OVER THERE, I THINK, BUT MY THING IS SUPPORTING OPPORTUNITIES FOR ENTERTAINMENT AND CULTURE.
UH, HOWEVER, MY PRIMARY CONCERN HERE IS THIS FACILITY IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED NOT JUST BY THE THREE FAMILY DWELLINGS THAT ARE NOTED IN THE APPLICATION, BORDERING THE CLUB.
UH, BUT THE REALITY IS THAT THERE'S OVER A DOZEN DWELLINGS THAT WERE THERE.
THEY WERE WITHIN 200 FEET, UH, OF THIS ESTABLISHMENT.
UH, AND THAT OBVIOUSLY AS, AS INDICATED ARE EFFECTED BY NOISE, UM, WHEN THIS, OUR 20 RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WAS BUILT, UM, I THINK THE CONSIDERATION WAS A GOOD MATCH WHEN THIS GENERAL BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT WAS MADE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT A CONSIDERATION WAS MADE FOR IT TO BE OTHER THAN A DAYTIME, UH, RESIDENTIAL DWELLING AND NOT AN AFTER HOURS NIGHTCLUB.
UH, AGAIN, SO CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS WHILE THERE WAS NOT A NOTICE OF VIOLATION FOR THE PREVIOUS NIGHTCLUB, UH, THAT WAS ISSUED.
THERE ARE SEVERAL CONDITIONS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT THE COMMISSION CONSIDER TO ENSURE THAT THE SAFETY LIVING ENVIRONMENT AND VALUES OF THOSE CITIZENS IN THE , UH, RESIDENTIAL ZONE ARE CONSIDERED, UH, FIRST THE CONDITION RECOMMENDED AT THE NIGHTCLUB OPERATION BE LIMITED TO, UH, THURSDAY.
I'M SORRY THAT IT NOT BE LIMITED TO THURSDAY THROUGH SATURDAY EVENINGS.
I PROPOSED THAT IT BE MODIFIED FOR FRIDAY AND SATURDAY EVENINGS ONLY TO A MAXIMUM HOURS OF 1:00 AM VERSUS 2:00 AM.
AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY
[01:25:01]
TO RESIDENTIAL, THIS COULD BE TEMPORARY, UH, UH, COULD BE PROPOSED THAT WE DO THAT FOR 180 DAYS.IF THERE'S NOT ANY NOISE COMPLAINTS, HAVE THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD, UH, REAPPLY FOR VARIANCE IN THAT THURSDAY.
UH, IF, IF, IF THAT PROBATION PERIOD I'LL CALL IT, UH, IF THAT WORKS OUT, UM, THAT AVOIDS THE POTENTIAL FOR WEEKNIGHT IMPAIRMENT OF FAMILIES THAT HAVE STUDENTS LIVING ON A WEEKNIGHT, UH, I THINK THE COMPLAINTS, UH, SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES, UM, AND ASSAULT ALSO ALLOWS TO GET APPLICANT TO OPERATE IN A REGIONAL CAPACITY, UH, AND SHOW DUE DILIGENCE AS A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO DEMONSTRATE THEIR COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT THEY SAY THEY ARE GOING TO COMPLY WITH THE APPLICATIONS.
SO THE CONDITIONS THAT I BELIEVE SHOULD BE ADDRESSED BEFORE THE COMMISSION BEFORE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, IS THAT A NIGHTCLUB OPERATION BE LIMITED TO FRIDAY AND SATURDAY EVENINGS ONLY, UH, THAT THE OPERATION NOT EXCEED 1:00 AM VERSUS TWO AM'S, UH, THAT ANY OF THE DOORS ON THE REAR OF THE BUILDING BE MARKED, UH, TO PREVENT OPENING, NOT SAYING, CREATE A BARRIER FOR FIRE.
I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST LIKE YOU SEE IN ANY OTHER ESTABLISHMENT DO NOT OPEN THIS DOOR, OR ALARM WILL SOUND SOMETHING THAT WOULD DETER A PATRON FROM OPENING IT UP DOOR.
CAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.
AND MIKE LOVES YOU OPENED UP THE DOOR TO GET MORE AIR CAUSE YOU GOT A HUNDRED PEOPLE IN THERE.
UM, SO WE GOTTA BE REALISTIC ABOUT THAT.
UH, THE PARKING LOT BEHIND THE BUILDING, UH, I THINK SOMETHING SHOULD BE DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS SECURED IN A MANNER THAT RESTRICTS ANYONE OTHER THAN EMPLOYEES FROM GOING INTO THEIR PARKING LOT, WHETHER THEY'RE OPEN DURING THE, UM, NIGHTCLUB HOURS OR NOT, IT NEEDS TO BE SOME WAY TO PREVENT ANYONE FROM GOING BEHIND THAT BUILDING, WHICH AGAIN, IMPAIRS THE, UH, THE RESIDENTS BEHIND THE BUILDING.
UH, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S COMPLIANCE WITH THE, UM, THE NOISE CODE, THE 17 DASH 59, YOU KNOW, THAT THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE SOME MEANS TO BE ABLE TO HEAR TO THAT, UH, 55 DECIBELS.
UH, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT'S NOT AN EASY THING TO DO.
SO I WOULD PUT THE BURDEN ON THE APPLICANT TO DO THAT.
AND OBVIOUSLY TO ENSURE THAT THE BUILDING CODE INFRACTIONS ARE ADJUDICATED BEFORE THE APPLICATION GOES BEFORE THE BOARD.
THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, MR. CHAIRMAN.
SO YOU'RE BASICALLY PROPOSING REVISIONS TO THE APPLICATION APPLICATION.
YOU WERE PROPOSING REVISIONS TO THE APPLICATION.
LET'S TABLE DISCUSSION FOR THE COMMISSION'S DISCUSSION.
I WOULD, I WOULD SUPPORT THE CONDITIONS THAT, UH, JP HAS ALREADY, UH, HIGHLIGHTED.
UH, BUT I STILL COME BACK TO THE NOISE ISSUE.
UM, IT'S NOT THE NEIGHBOR'S RESPONSIBILITY TO COMPLAIN.
IT'S THE OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE HE DOESN'T HAVE A SITUATION THAT CAUSES A COMPLAINT.
SO FOR ME, IT'S A CASE OF CONTINUOUS MONITORING.
YOU KNOW, WHAT GETS MEASURED GETS DONE.
SO PUT IN PROPER MEASUREMENT FOR DECIBEL LEVELS, HAVE IT MONITORED BY AN ADT OR EQUIVALENT, UH, SERVICE.
THERE'S SEVERAL OUT THERE THAT, UH, THAT WILL DO NOISE MONITORING FOR YOU HAVE THAT HAVE THAT, UH, SUMMARY OF, UH, OF NOISE LEVELS, UH, PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ON A, ON A REGULAR FREQUENCY SO THAT WE KNOW IF THERE'S A NOISE ISSUE, UM, IF THEY'RE NOT ADDRESSED WITHIN CERTAIN NUMBER OF MINUTES, THEN IT SHOULD AUTOMATICALLY ROLL TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
IT SHOULDN'T REQUIRE A NEIGHBOR CALLING.
UM, THERE THERE'S WAYS OF MANAGING THE, THE NOISE ISSUE.
THE PARKING ISSUE IS A BIGGER ISSUE.
I, I, I REALLY QUESTION HOW WE CAN GO FORWARD WITH THIS APPLICATION.
YOU KNOW, THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A SMALL SHOPPING CENTER, AND THEN WE ADDED A RESTAURANT THAT NO, AFTER A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, WE'RE LOOKING AT A NIGHTCLUB.
I MUCH RATHER SEE A LONGER CONTINUATION OF THE RESTAURANT TO ENSURE THAT THE BUSINESS IS SUCCESSFUL AND IF THEY'VE PROPERLY MANAGED THESE OTHER ISSUES.
UM, IT'S, IT'S SCARY TO ME THAT WITHIN ONE TO TWO YEARS OF OPENING A RESTAURANT, YOU'RE INTO A NIGHTCLUB WITH A, WITH VERY LIMITED EXPERIENCE IN HAVING MANAGED THAT PREVIOUSLY.
I STRUGGLED WITH THE PARKING AS WELL AS THE NOISE, BUT THE PARKING, I DON'T SEE A GOOD ANSWER FOR.
I MEAN, THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF NEGOTIATING WITH, UM, CUSTOM CAR CARE AS TO WHETHER YOU CAN RENT THEIR PARKING LOT TO THE KNIFE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK, BUT, UM, THAT, THAT'S MY LARGEST CONCERN ALONG WITH THE NOISE.
I THINK THE APPLICATION IS IN THE WRONG PLACE FOR A NIGHTCLUB.
[01:30:03]
FEEL THE OWNER IS DOING THE BEST HE CAN TO SUCCEED, BUT THE LOCATION IS JUST NOT GOOD FOR A NIGHTCLUB WITH RESIDENTS BEHIND THE PROBLEM WITH PARKING POSSIBLY AND SECURITY.UM, IT'S JUST NOT, HAS NOT BEEN FULLY ADDRESSED IN MY, UH, FEELINGS SO THAT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING.
SO I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION.
UM, I CONCUR MR. PETERMAN AND OUR LAST SPEAKER SAID IT, WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE MORE CULTURE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
YOU HAVE A, A GREAT IDEA, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS THE WRONG LOCATION FOR THIS.
I WANT TO QUOTE SOME OF YOUR ANSWERS YOU GAVE TO ME.
AND I KNOW YOU DID YOUR BEST TO TRY AND ANSWER, BUT THIS IS THE WORDS YOU USED.
WE MAY WANT TO LIMIT THE PATRONS.
WE WANT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY AND I NEED TO DO MORE RESEARCH.
AND THAT TELLS ME THAT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS HERE.
UH, IN, IN ADDITION TO THE PARKING SECURITY, UM, I APPLAUD YOUR EFFORTS.
BUSINESS PERSON, YOUNG GUY WANT TO REALLY BRING SOMETHING TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE JUST DON'T THINK WE CAN WORK IT OUT AT THIS LOCATION.
AND AS OUR LAST SPEAKER SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE THE COUNTY, OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY AND IN OUR DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WOULD WANT TO WORK WITH YOU TO FIND A LOCATION THAT WOULD BE MORE SUITABLE FOR THIS.
AND MR. HARWOOD'S COMMENTS ABOUT YOU'VE ONLY BEEN A COUPLE YEARS AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU GOT TO ESTABLISH A RESTAURANT BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT GAME.
AND, AND YOU'VE HEARD FROM, ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED THE MOST BY THIS OR THE RESIDENTS BEHIND IT, WHO, WHEN THEY PURCHASED A HOME THOUGHT IT WAS A, UH, YOU KNOW, DAYTIME, UH, REGULAR BUSINESS RETAIL OPERATION AND NOT A NIGHTTIME.
AND I HOPE YOU DO FIND A LOCATION WHERE YOU CAN AND SUCCEED AT THIS.
I THINK, I THINK WE'VE PRETTY MUCH COVERED IT.
UM, I'VE MY SUGGESTION WAS THAT WE LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO, CAUSE I WENT DOWN AND LOOKED AT THAT PARKING AND THAT'S TIGHT 40 TO 50 CARS IS A LOT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE, BUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO WORK ON THIS APPLICATION BEFORE I CAN.
I ALSO, I, A LOT OF CONCERNS AND ALREADY THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS SPEAK MUCH BETTER THAN I DO THESE THINGS, BUT MY CONCERNS WERE WHERE THE PARKING, UH, THE SAFETY ISSUES IN THE BACK, YOU KNOW, I, I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS IN MY TWENTIES AND IF I HAD A BACK PARKING LOT TO BEER JOINTS, I ATTENDED, I WOULD BE, UH, I'D BE IN A LOT OF TROUBLE.
SO I CAN JUST IMAGINE BEST ATTEMPTS IN THE WORLD, THINGS LIKE THAT ARE GOING TO HAPPEN.
UH, AND THE NOISE LEVEL, I THINK, UH, WITH THE BEST INTENTION, UH, SOUNDPROOFING AND ET CETERA, YOU'RE STILL AT ONE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE HEARING NOISE OR MUSIC THAT YOU DIDN'T HEAR BEFORE.
UH, SO I THINK THE QUALITY OF LIFE ALONG THAT GEORGE WASHINGTON BOULEVARD THERE, I DON'T THINK IS IMPROVED BY THIS APPLICATION.
UH, SO I TH I THINK IT'S, IT GOES DOWN WITH THIS APPLICATION.
UH, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW TO DO THIS, BUT TO MAKE A REVISION TO THIS APPLICATION.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE DOOR TO GET A VOTE ON THIS, TO MOVE PC 22 DASH THREE.
ARE UNREVISED WITH YOUR COMMENTS, SIR? UM, AFTER HEARING THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS SAY RETURN, RETURN THE APPLICANT FOR FURTHER STUDY.
I MEAN, HE CAN CERTAINLY COME BACK LATER.
I DON'T THINK, I THINK WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS YEAR KIND OF AN UP AND DOWN OR REVISION, UH, EARL, CAN YOU, YEAH, IF YOU WANTED TO TABLE IT, TO SEE IF THE APPLICANT COULD MAYBE ADJUST HIS APPLICATION FOR SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT YOU'VE HAD, YOU CAN DO THAT.
UM, OR YOU CAN VOTE IT UP OR DOWN, BUT YOU COULD TABLE IT AND HE COULD COME BACK.
BUT MR. CHAIRMAN, I APPLAUD MR. SMITH, WHO DID A LOT OF HOMEWORK AND HAD ALL YOUR SUGGESTIONS WERE RIGHT IN LINE.
UM, I JUST DON'T FEEL PERSONALLY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS A GOOD LOCATION FOR SOMETHING, AND I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO FORCE FIT IT BECAUSE WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE HIM TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
AND I AGREE WITH YOU IN THAT RESPECT.
UM, I JUST WOULD RATHER VOTE THIS UP OR DOWN THE BASED ON WHAT IT IS.
THOSE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS, MR. CHAIRMAN.
GOT TO HAVE EMOTION AGAIN, MR. CRINER, OUR MOVE WE FORWARD
[01:35:01]
APPLICATION PC 22 DASH THREE ARE TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.THE MOTION BY MR. CRINER IS TO ADOPT PSD 22 DASH THREE OR TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE A NIGHTCLUB.
VIAGRA, READ IT IN THE END, MAKE EXISTING RESTAURANT WITHIN THE SCHROEDER CENTER LOCATED AT 1900 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY.
NO, THE MOTION PASS, FAIL, SORRY.
BUT I THINK THIS MOTION STILL GOES TO THE APPLICATE STILL GOES TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, AS IS AND AROUND THE FEBRUARY TIMEFRAME TENTATIVELY FEBRUARY 15TH, UNLESS THE APPLICANT CHOOSES TO PULL IT AND REVISE IT UNLESS THEY PULL IT.
THE APPLICANTS CAN ALWAYS PULL IT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN IF THEY WANT IT TO.
UH, NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS APPLICATION NUMBER UPD 9 81
[Application No. UP-981-22, CCRC, LLC]
DAYS 22.ALRIGHT, HELLO AGAIN, WE'LL TAKE THIS OFF.
THIS APPLICATION IS A P 9 81 DASH 22.
UM, IT IS FOR CC RC, LLC, UH, WHICH IS A CON A CAR RENTAL ESTABLISHMENT, UH, THAT IS LOOKING TO, UH, MOVE INTO 1 0 5 BYPASS ROAD, WHICH IS SHOWN HERE IN THE YELLOW.
UH, THE WHOLE AREA ZONING WISE SURROUNDING IS ALL GENERAL BUSINESS.
UH, THIS USED TO BE A FORMER DAIRY QUEEN SITE, AND THEN IT WAS ANOTHER ICE CREAM SHOP FOR AWHILE, UH, WHICH WAS VACATED OVER.
I THINK IT WAS THE MID, MID 2020 WHEN, WHEN THAT OTHER, UH, ICE CREAM SHOP MOVED OUT, UM, SURROUNDING LAND USES IS, UH, BACK HERE IS THE OLD KMART SITE, WHICH IS, UH, CURRENTLY UNDER A REVITALIZATION.
UH, THERE'S A NEW HOLLY'S THERE, THERE'S NEW ASHLEY FOR, UM, A FURNITURE COMPANY GOING IN THERE.
AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE AN APPLICATION NEXT MONTH, UH, FOR THIS OUTDOOR AREA THAT K-MART USED TO HAVE FOR A CONTRACTOR SHOP.
SO THAT WHOLE SHOPPING CENTER WILL BE FILLED BACK UP AGAIN WITH, WITH USES HERE SOON, UM, TO THIS, UM, SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IS THE PIRATE CODE, MINIATURE GOLF COURSE.
UM, THE OTHER SIDE IS A HOTEL AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET IS SOME OFFICE COMPLEXES, THE HUDA RESTAURANT, UM, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF BYPASS ROAD, IT'S JUST GIVES YOU A BETTER AERIAL VIEW.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE, THE MINIATURE GOLF COURSE.
UM, I'LL NOTE THAT THIS, UH, APPLICATION DOES HAVE TWO ENTRANCES, ONE HERE OFF BYPASS ROW, WHICH IS A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT ONLY, AND THEN A FULL TURN ENTRANCE OFF OF COLONY DRIVE, WHICH GOES BETWEEN THE PIRATE'S COVE.
AND THIS, THIS, THE AREA IT'S JUST A SHOT OF THAT ENTRANCE, RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT ONLY.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING THERE IN THE BACKGROUND.
IT HAS THE TWO, UM, DRIVE THROUGH AREAS, UH, MONUMENT SIGN ON THIS, THE, ON THE BYPASS ROAD SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT ONLY, UM, ENTRANCE.
THEY WILL MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING JUST TO MAKE IT MORE OF A OFFICE FEEL ON THE FRONT.
SO I IMAGINE THERE'LL BE PUTTING A DOOR IN, UM, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
UH, THE BUILDING WAS, UM, IS SUBJECT TO THE TOURIST CORRIDOR MANAGEMENT.
SO WHEN IT WAS BUILT, UH, THEY DID MEET THOSE STANDARDS AND IT CURRENTLY DOES ANY MODIFICATIONS THEY MAKE TO THE OUTSIDE WOULD HAVE TO CONTINUE TO BE PART OF THAT.
AND THEY WILL MAP TO MAKE APPLICATION FOR THEM.
UH, THIS JUST SHOWS COLONY DRIVE OVER THERE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE.
YOU CAN SEE THE SIDE OF PIRATE'S COVE, UH, KMART IN THE BACK.
UH, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THIS PARKING AREA HERE, UM, 11 PARKING SPACES ON THIS SIDE, UM, AS, AS WHAT THE PROPERTY IS, YOU COULD SEE THE DRIVE ISLES AND THE PREVIOUS ONE.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN GO BACK HERE SO YOU CAN SEE THE DRIVE AISLES ON THE SIDE.
THERE'S NO PARKING ON THIS SIDE OF IT.
UH, BUT THE PARKING IS OVER HERE ON THIS SIDE, AND THEN ALSO IN THE BACK, UM, WHERE YOU HAVE PARKING SPACES AVAILABLE, 18 PARKING SPACES BACK HERE, AND THIS IS STANDING ON MORE TOWN ROAD LOOKING UP.
YOU CAN SEE THE SEC, THERE IS A SECOND MONUMENT SIGN.
UM, AND WE HAVE CONCLUDED A CONDITION IN THERE THAT THIS, UH, SIGN BE BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE THE NECESSARY LANDSCAPING THAT'S REQUIRED FOR MONUMENT SIGNS.
SO THEY WOULD JUST NEED TO BRING THAT INTO COMPLIANCE BY ADDING SOME LANDSCAPING THERE.
UH, THIS SHOWS THE SKETCH OF THE PROPERTY, UH, HIGHLIGHTED THE BUILDING AND RED,
[01:40:01]
SMALL BUILDING ON THE LARGER PROPERTY.BUT, UH, HERE ARE THOSE 11 PARKING SPACES, THE 18 IN THE BACK, UM, THAT, UM, THAT YOU CAN SEE, AND THEN THERE'S THE TWO DRIVE AISLES ON EITHER SIDE, UH, THE AFGHANISTAN.
UH, THE ONLY THING THAT THEY'LL DO ON THE SIDE IS THEY'LL HAVE THE RENTAL OFFICE AND THEY MAY HAVE SOME VACUUMING AND SANITIZING OF VEHICLES, BUT THERE WILL BE NO MAINTENANCE, UM, OR WASHING OF THE VEHICLES OR ANY OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ON THE SITE.
UM, I I'VE TALKED ABOUT THE PARKING AND PARKING ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES FIVE PARKING SPACES FOR THIS KIND OF USE AND THAT'S FOR CLIENTS AND EMPLOYEES.
UM, THIS, THE PROPERTY HAS 29 SPACES ON IT THAT EIGHT, THOSE 18 AND ALONG MORE TOWN ROAD AND THE 11 ALONG CLUMP COLONY DRIVE, UH, THE APPLICANT STATED IN THEIR LETTER THAT THEY WOULD USE 30 SPACES FOR THE STORAGE OF CARS, WHICH REALLY ISN'T POSSIBLE.
UH, CAUSE YOU HAVE 29 TOTAL SPACES MINUS THE FIVE.
YOU ONLY REALLY HAVE 24 SPACES FOR STORAGE OF THE RENTAL CARS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE ON SITE.
UH, THEY HAVE NOTED THAT THEY DO HAVE ANOTHER SITE WHERE THEY KEEP OTHER CARS AT, UH, BUT WE HAVE PUT A CONDITION IN IT THAT WOULD ONLY LIMIT IT TO 24 STORAGE OF THOSE CARS SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY KEEP THOSE FIVE SPACES FOR, UH, THE CLIENTS AND EMPLOYEES.
UH, THERE ARE THE TWO ACCESS POINTS THAT I TALKED ABOUT ALREADY.
UM, THIS PROPERTY OR THIS KIND OF USE, THERE WAS NO, UM, NOTHING IN THE IT MANUAL THAT SAID CAR RENTAL AGENCIES CREATE THIS MUCH TRAFFIC, BUT A LITTLE RESEARCH ONLINE.
I FOUND THAT THE MAXIMUM TRIP GENERATION FOR THESE KINDS OF USES ABOUT SIX AND IT'S USUALLY IN THE MORNING, MORNING TIME THAT THEY, THEY SEE THEIR MOST, THE MOST TRAFFIC.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THOSE TWO MONUMENT SIGNS AGAIN, UH, ONE ON BYPASS ROAD AND ONE ON MORE TOWN, THE, THE BYPASS ROAD, ONE COMPLIES WITH REGULATIONS, BUT THEY WILL NEED TO DO SOME LANDSCAPING FOR THE MORE TOWN ROAD ONE.
AND THIS WAS JUST THE FLOOR PLAN OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.
SO YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL, THIS IS THE OLD FLOOR PLAN FOR THE DAIRY QUEEN.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE ICE CREAM MACHINES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, UM, UH, THAT ARE ALL THERE.
UH, STAFF LEAVES, THIS, UH, USE IS, IS NOT A VERY HIGHLY INTENSE USE.
IT WILL OCCUPY IT, UH, NOW VACANT BUILDING AND FILL A USE IN THAT CORRIDOR THAT, UH, WE DON'T HAVE A LONG BYPASS ROAD.
UH, WE DO FEEL IT IS A COMPATIBLE USE WITH OTHER COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE SURROUNDING IT.
SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION THROUGH PC, UH, 22 DASH FOUR.
UH, THE APP ARE HERE AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO PROBABLY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. KING, MR. ANDERSON? UM, IS THIS SECTION A BYPASS ROAD UNDER THE, UH, CO OVERLAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT? YES, SIR.
IT IS UNDER THE TOURIST CORRIDOR.
SO ANY CHANGES TO THE SITE, INCLUDING THE SIGN AND WHATEVER THAT WAS BEING PROPOSED HAS TO COMPLY WITH THAT? YES, SIR.
IS THAT LISTED IN HERE? DID I MISS IT? IT IS, YES.
I HAD MENTIONED THAT THE BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT, UH, DURING OUR, I MEAN, WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT, IT WAS UNDER TOURIST CORRIDOR MANAGEMENT.
AND SO ANY CHANGES THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING, WE WILL HAVE TO COMPLY THAT.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
I'M GOING TO THE FIRST ONE I GOT HERE IS A MR. ROBERT, UH, ANDREW, A N D R A D E THAT'S FOR A LATER APPLICATION.
THAT'S THE APPLICATION, RIGHT? THAT'S FOR THE LAST, OH, THROW THAT DOWN AND PICK UP THIS ONE.
SORRY, JUST IS MR. MARK ON A PETER MORGAN.
SO, UH, I'M HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
I CAN GIVE YOU A BRIEF REASON WHY WE WANTED TO START THIS BUSINESS.
PRIMARILY MY PARTNER, MR. GIBSON, AND I DECIDED BASED ON OUR RESEARCH IN THE AREA AND TALKING TO A BUNCH OF BUSINESSES THAT WE USE QUITE A BIT.
IN ADDITION, I WAS ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE HOTEL MOTELS ASSOCIATION.
SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT TOURISM ASPECT OF IT.
WE CURRENTLY THERE'S THREE RENTAL CAR FACILITIES IN THE LOCATION.
YOU HAVE HERTZ ON BYPASS ROAD, WHICH IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.
YOU HAVE ENTERPRISE THAT'S ON MERRIMACK TRAIL.
ENTERPRISE USED TO BE LOCATED DOWN OFF OF RICHMOND ROAD BY LIGHTFOOT.
THEY CLOSED THAT LOCATION AND YOU HAVE A COLONIAL RENTAL OFFER.
WHY INBOUND ROAD? THE PROBLEM THAT WE'VE REALIZED IN THE TOWN IS THAT YOU IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET A RENTAL CAR RIGHT NOW.
IF YOU DO FIND A RENTAL CAR, IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE.
[01:45:01]
HAVE A WIDE VARIETY OF RENTAL CARS FROM LUXURY TO TRUCKS, TO COMPACT, TO MID-SIZED CARS.AND WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THE RENTAL RATE BETWEEN 35 AND 75 UNLIMITED MILEAGE PER DAY.
WE'RE ALSO KEEPING THE RADIUS OF OUR CARS UNTIL WE GET OUR BUSINESS MODEL DOWN, PAT TO 150 MILE RADIUS OF THE CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG FOR US, THAT WAS PRIMARILY RE IF A CAR BREAKS DOWN, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO SEND A NEW CAR OUT, TO REPLACE IT.
WE'RE ALSO ALLOWING 18 TO 25 YEAR OLDS TO RENT CARS.
ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES WE FOUND OUT AT THE COLLEGE WAS PARENTS COME IN AND THEY WANT TO FLY IN.
THEY WANT TO SEE THEIR, THEIR CHILDREN.
THEY HAVE TO RENDER THE CAR OR BECAUSE THEIR STUDENTS CAN'T GET CARS.
OUR INSURANCE COMPANY, IT GIVES US THE ABILITY AND THE FLEXIBILITY TO RENT TO 18 TO 25 YEAR OLDS.
SO TAKING ALL THIS INTO CONSIDERATION AND TALKING TO CAR REPAIR PLACES, UH, BODY SHOP, PLACES, HOTELS, WE HAVE NUMEROUS COMPANIES RIGHT NOW THAT WANT TO SIGN CONTRACTS WITH US.
WE HAVEN'T DONE SO BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A PERMANENT SPOT FOR THE RENTAL CARS ARE OUR SECONDARY LOCATION, WHICH WE ARE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH ARE AND MORE TOWN ROAD.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE MAIN MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS AND SERVICING THOSE CARS WILL BE HELD.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE LIMITATION THAT STAFF HAS PLACED ON A NUMBER OF VEHICLES? YES.
AND WE'RE NOT DOING ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THE SIGNAGE AT ALL.
WE'RE GOING TO USE THE EXISTING SAVAGE THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY.
WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE SOME, BECAUSE IT'S REQUIRED AS A CONDITION THAT YOU IMPROVE THE SIGNAGE, WHATEVER THE ARE FOR THE LANDSCAPING.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. SMITH.
APPRECIATE YOUR TAKING A OLDER BUILDING.
THAT'S NOT BEING USED AND CONVERTING IT INTO SOMETHING THAT'S USEFUL FOR THE COUNTY.
DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING, SIR? YUP.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WE SHOULD SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION? CNN, UH, CLOSED THE PUBLIC OPEN UP FOR THE COMMISSIONERS.
NOTHING FOR MR. SMITH'S GREAT TO SEE, UH, BUSINESSES GOING INTO THE BUSINESS.
THAT'S BEEN CLOSED FOR CONSIDERABLE PERIOD OF TIME.
I SUPPORT IT BECAUSE IT TAKES OVER A BUILDING THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY USED.
SO YES, I CONCUR AGREE WITH WHAT, UH, EVERYTHING'S BEEN SAID.
I THINK WE CAN CALL THE ROLE AFTER WE HAVE A PROPOSAL AFTER WE HAVE A MOVE FORWARD.
PC 22 DASH FOUR ONTO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THE MOTION BY MR. CRINER IS TOWED DOWN PC 22 DASH FOUR TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT WERE AUTHORIZED AND ALL OTHER RENTAL ESTABLISHMENT AT 1 0 5 BYPASS BREW.
MR. CRINER, MR. TITUS? YES, THE MOTION.
IT COMES BEFORE THE BOARD IN FEBRUARY.
MAYBE IT GETS ON THE SCHEDULE.
[Application No. YVA-47-22, Robert J. Andrade]
A Y VA 47 DASH 22.ALL RIGHT, TAKE THIS OFF AGAIN.
SO THIS IS A Y V 47 DASH 22 FOR MR. ROBERT ANDRADE.
UM, THIS IS A YORKTOWN VILLAGE ACTIVITY PERMIT.
YOU DON'T SEE THESE VERY OFTEN, BUT BASICALLY YORKTOWN VILLAGE ACTIVITY IS THE SAME THING AS THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE THE YORKTOWN AREA.
SO IT'S, IT'S JUST FALLS UNDER THAT SPECIAL CATEGORY.
UM, THIS APPLICATION IS LOCATED AT 2 1 5 NELSON STREET AND, UH, IT LOOKS TO HAVE A, UH, A, UH, A TWO BEDROOM TOURIST HOME IS WHAT THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR.
SO THE PROPERTY IS SHOWN HERE, UM, IN RED, UM, IT IS ON NELSON STREET.
IT KIND OF SITS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK BETWEEN, UH, MAIN STREET AND BALLARD STREET.
UM, AS I SAID, YORKTOWN IS KIND OF A SPECIAL PLACE.
UH, THE BOARD, A SPECIAL ZONING DISTRICT CALLED THE YORKTOWN VILLAGE ACTIVITY DISTRICT FOR YORKTOWN.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T SEE A ZONING MAP.
UH, PRETTY MUCH IF YOU HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR WANT TO PUT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN IT'S A BI-RITE USE.
[01:50:01]
ELSE HAS TO COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE BOARD SUPERVISOR SIMILAR TO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, THROUGH THE Y VA ACTIVITY OR THE Y V A THE YORKTOWN VILLAGE ACTIVITY PERMIT, UM, PROPERTY, UM, PROCESS.UM, THE, THE HOME IS SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UM, ON THIS SIDE AND BACK HERE AS AN EMPTY LOT ON THIS SIDE.
AND THEN ON, UH, THE SOUTHERN OR THE WESTERN SIDE IS ANOTHER SINGLE FAMILY HOME ACROSS NELSON STREET ARE TWO NATIONAL PARK SERVICE PROPERTIES.
UH, SO THESE ARE BOTH, UH, HISTORICAL HOMES ON THE SIT ACROSS, UM, FROM THIS, UH, THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE HOME.
UM, JUST A COUPLE THINGS TO POINT OUT HERE.
UH, THE, THE, ONE OF THE PARKING AREAS IS ALONG NELSON STREET.
SO YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A PARKING AREA SHOWN HERE.
I PARKED THE COUNTY CAR THERE.
UM, THIS OCCURS THROUGHOUT YORKTOWN, UH, HAVING PARKING RIGHT OFF THE STREET.
UM, IT IS NOT CONSIDERED ON STREET PARKING.
IT IS OFF STREET BECAUSE IT IS WITHIN THE PROPERTY LIMITS OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO IT IS ALLOWED, UM, AND WE DO SEE IT.
IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH YORKTOWN, YOU'LL SEE IT QUITE FREQUENTLY, MO MOST PROPERTIES DON'T HAVE A DRIVEWAY OR, UH, SOME OTHER WAY OF GETTING, UM, ON THE PROPERTY OTHER THAN PARKING ALONG THE FRONTAGE AREA.
UH, THIS IS THE SECOND FLOOR WHERE THE GUESTS WILL STAY.
UH, THEY WILL HAVE ACCESS TO ALL THE ROOMS UP HERE EXCEPT FOR THE PRIVATE OFFICE, UH, BUT THEY WILL HAVE, UH, ACCESS TO THE TWO BEDROOMS, THE SITTING ROOM AND A BATHROOM.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS SAID THAT HE WOULD, UH, RENT TO A MINIMUM OF TWO NIGHTS, UM, AND NOT HAVE A MAXIMUM NUMBER.
UM, HE HAS TOLD ME THAT HE WOULD PREFER TO HAVE LONG TERM PEOPLE STAYING HERE.
UH, BUT ONCE THAT WANTED TO HAVE THE OPTION FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS ALSO, UH, THERE ARE MULTIPLE, UM, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS OR BED AND BREAKFAST IN THE YORKTOWN AREA.
UH, WE HAVE THE HORNS WE HOUSE IN HERE, THIS RED.HERE.
UH, WE'VE GOT THE MARLIN, WE'VE GOT THE YORKTOWN COTTAGES, WHICH USED TO BE THE OLD AND THOMAS GALLERY.
UH, WE'VE GOT THE YORK RIVER IN, DOWN OFF OF AMBLER STREET.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, UM, THE, UH, MOREHOUSE ROAD ONE.
AND THEN OFF HERE IS FURTHER DOWN, UH, ABOUT A COUPLE MILE, A MILE AND A HALF IS THE GOOSEY ROAD ONE THAT SITS WITHIN THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE PROPERTY.
SO THERE WERE QUITE A FEW, UM, AND YORKTOWN IS, IS BASICALLY DESIGNED FOR TOURISTS.
SO TOURISTS ARE WELCOME AND TRY TO CREATE THAT ATMOSPHERE, UM, WITHIN THE, UH, WITHIN THE VILLAGE AREA, UH, TRAFFIC, UM, AS AMY KIND OF POINTED OUT IN HER APPLICATION, UH, THERE, THERE IS NO SPECIFIC TOURIST HOME, UM, IN THE, UM, ITE MANUAL, WE JUST GOT THE NEW ONE AND IT'S NOT IN THERE EITHER.
SO, UH, WE'LL TRY TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T LOOKED THROUGH THE WHOLE THING, UH, BUT WE DEFINITELY LOOKED FOR THIS AND IT WASN'T THERE, BUT IT'S SIMILAR TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ABOUT, AND ONE MORE TRIP, UM, YOU KNOW, A TIME SHARE VERY SIMILAR TO THAT.
SO IT'S ABOUT ONE MORE TRIP THAN A REGULAR SINGLE FAMILY HOMEWOOD.
UH, NELSON STREET DOES CARRY ABOUT 110 TRIPS TODAY A DAY.
SO ADDING A COUPLE EXTRA TRIPS REALLY WOULDN'T OVERBURDEN IT.
UM, IT IS A SMALLER ROAD AND THERE ARE CARS PARKED ON THE SIDE, BUT WHEN YOU GET INTO THE VILLAGE AREA, YOU KIND OF UNDERSTAND THAT YOU NEED TO SLOW DOWN AND, AND PAY ATTENTION TO WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
SO IT'S KIND OF A GIVEN, UM, FOR THE TRAFFIC, UH, PARKING, AS I SAID, UH, YOU WOULD HAVE BE REQUIRED TO HAVE, UM, TWO PARKING SPACES FOR THE HOME.
AND THEN ALSO TWO, ONE PER BEDROOM FOR THE TOURIST HOME.
UM, HE DOES ACCOMMODATE THAT HERE IN THE FRONT.
UH, THEY DO HAVE A, HE DOESN'T HAVE A SHARED ACCESS TO THE REAR OF THEIR PROPERTY, UH, WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S THAT PARKING AREA AGAIN, THE SHARED ACCESS.
AND THEN HERE HE HAS, UM, THE PARKING FOR, FOR TWO CARS BACK HERE ALSO.
SO, UH, THE PARKING CAN BE ACCOMMODATED WITH, WITHOUT A PROBLEM.
UH, YORKTOWN IS A VERY SPECIAL DISTRICT, AS I SAID, AND THE BOARD HAS STRIVE TO PROTECT THAT UNIQUENESS.
UM, IT'S NOT, UH, A NORMAL RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, BUT IT'S A MIXED USE VILLAGE.
THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES WITHIN IT, A BED AND BREAKFAST THAT ARE ALREADY ESTABLISHED IN HERE, AS WELL AS THE COMMERCIAL WATERFRONT.
UH, WE DON'T FEEL THAT THIS WOULD BE ADDING ANYTHING ADDITIONAL THAT YORKTOWN DOESN'T ALREADY EXPERIENCE.
SO WE, WE FEEL IT WOULDN'T BE A VERSUS IMPACT TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND WHAT ACTUALLY PROBABLY ENHANCED TOURISM AND YORKTOWN BY BRINGING IN ANOTHER PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN STAY HERE IN THE VILLAGE AREA.
SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND YOU COULD, IF YOU WANTED TO MOVE IT FORWARD, YOU HAVE PC 22 DASH FIVE, UM, THAT YOU CAN USE TO, TO DO THAT.
[01:55:01]
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.AND MR. ANDRADE IS HERE TONIGHT AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, ALSO QUESTIONS, MS. TOLBERT, MR. ANDERSON, I HAD ONE QUESTION.
HOW CAN THE APPLICANT BE SOMEONE OTHER THAN THE OWNER? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT CONNECT.
HE'S IN THE PROCESS OF BUYING THE PROPERTY.
SO HE'S NEVER LIVED THERE NOW.
HE'S I BELIEVE RENTED THE HOME FOR MANY YEARS AND NOW HE'S HE'S CONTRACT PURCHASE OR TO BUY IT.
AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE AWARE OF IT AND THEY, THEY, THEY SIGNED THE CONTRACT TO PURCHASE FOR IT.
AND I'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH THEM TO I'VE SENT THEM ALL THE LETTERS I'VE SENT TO MR. ANDRADE SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
MR. SMITH, MS. CRINER, MR. PEANUT MAN, MR. KIM, UH, I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT JUST TO VERIFY YOU SENT LETTERS OUT TO ALL THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS, INCLUDING THE ONES IN THE BACK.
IF THIS WAS COMING FORWARD, UH, AND IS THERE ANYWHERE ELSE THAT WE HAVE APPROVED A SHORT TERM RENTAL WITH A GRAPPLE PAD FROM A NOVICE, YOU DRIVE UP THE STREET.
I SEE THE PADS ALL OVER THE PLACE.
BUT IF WE'RE ANYWHERE ELSE, WE'VE HAD A GRAVEL PAD LIKE THAT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S NOTHING MORE THAN ON THE RIGHT OF WAY OF THE ROAD APPROVED IN THE VILLAGE OR ANYWHERE ELSE.
I MEAN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HORNSBY HOUSE, THE, THEIR PARKING IS NOT A PARALLEL, YOU ACTUALLY PULL IN, BUT IT IS RIGHT OFF THE ROAD.
I MEAN, RIGHT ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE HOUSE, YOU JUST PULL RIGHT IN TO THE SIDE OR OVER, ONTO THE OTHER PROPERTY.
IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE ON, ON THE ROAD.
YOU KNOW, WE PROBABLY DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE ON THE ROAD, BUT I MEAN, IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH THE VILLAGE, YOU'LL SEE IT.
AND I IMAGINE MR. ANDREW IS PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF COMMUNICATION IN HIS ADVERTISEMENT THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, TELLS PEOPLE WHERE TO PARK AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE PARKING OFFLINE.
THERE MAY BE A QUESTION YOU COULD ASK HIM, MAYBE ALLOWING THE PEOPLE TO PARK IN THE BACK.
AND HE PARKED OUT FRONT SINCE HE'S PROBABLY MORE FAMILIAR WITH HOW, BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO VISUALIZE A MODERATE SIZE IF TO ISSUE V THERE EVEN TWO OF THEM.
AND I JUST WASN'T COMING ACROSS.
I CAME UP THERE TONIGHT AND IN THE DARK, YOU KNOW, AND I WAS WENT, I WOULDN'T BE USED TO GET VERY TIGHT, VERY TIGHT.
AND I DROVE BY THERE THE OTHER DAY, IT WAS HAPPENED TO BE A TRASH PICKUP DAY.
AND SO IT WAS OUT THERE AND IT LIMITED ONE OF THE PARKING SPOTS TO ONLY HAVE ONE, NOT TWO.
AND SO I WAS JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THAT PARKING.
AND I, IT MIGHT BE A GOOD QUESTION TO ASK MR. ANDREW HOW HE PLANS TO HANDLE THEM.
I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
AND WITH THAT, UH, MR. ROBERT, ANDREW, IF YOU CAN COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND HI, I'M ROBERT ANDRADE.
I'M AT A TWO 15 NELSON STREET.
WHEN THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
I'D LIKE TO THANK MR. ANDERSON FOR HIS PRESENTATION.
IT'S PRETTY MUCH, UH, AS IS, UM, I HAVE, UH, WORKED WITH, UH, MR. ANDERSON ON THE, UH, HISTORIC DESIGN COMMITTEE FOR MANY YEARS.
AND BEING ON THAT COMMITTEE, I'VE HEARD EVERY COMPLAINT, EVERY CONCERN, EVEN COMPLAINTS AND CONCERNS THAT WEREN'T EVEN IN THE PURVIEW OF THE HISTORIC DESIGN COMMITTEE.
UH, HERE'S THE DEAL I OWN, I OWN THAT PROPERTY NOW WE CLOSED LAST MONTH.
SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO ISSUE THERE.
I OWN TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY HERE IN YORKTOWN, THE ONE IN THE APPLICATION AND, UH, ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY ON THE NEXT STREET OVER, I AM VERY VESTED IN THIS TOWN.
UM, BEEN HERE A VERY LONG TIME.
IN FACT, THERE'S PROBABLY ONLY ABOUT FOUR FAMILIES HAVE BEEN HERE LONGER THAN I HAVE.
UM, AND I WOULD DO NOTHING TO UPSET THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN MY TOWN.
AND THAT INCLUDES, I WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING TO MY NEIGHBORS.
UM, TRAFFIC IS USUALLY THE BIGGEST, THE BIGGEST ISSUE.
THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC GOING UP AND DOWN, BUT I DARE SAY THAT I COULD HAVE THREE ROOMMATES, WHICH I'VE HAD BEFORE CREATING MORE TRAFFIC IN THAT, IN THAT, UH, IN THAT DWELLING, THEN ONE GUEST, UM, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE PARKING, I'VE HAD A ROOMMATE THAT HAD AN F THREE 50 PARK IN THAT FRONT, FRONT PARKING SPACE, BUT IF THAT'S A CONCERN WITH THE BOARD, I CAN HAVE HIM PARK IN THE BACK, UH, AND I CAN PARK UP FRONT IF THAT'S AN ISSUE.
LET'S SEE IF ANY QUESTIONS I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
IT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIVE
[02:00:01]
IN THE HOUSE WITH, WITH THE I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 10 YEARS AND YOU WOULD CONTINUE TO LIVE THERE AND CONTINUING TO LIVE THERE UNTIL I BUILD A PIECE OF HOUSE ON MY PROPERTY ON SMITH STREET.EVENTUALLY I UNDERSTAND THAT THE APPLICATION GOES, GOES AWAY AT THAT POINT.
SO IT'S YOUR QUESTION, AS I UNDERSTAND IT IS THAT HE OCCUPIES THE HOUSE WHILE, UM, TOURISTS ARE OCCUPYING IT.
YES, THAT IS, THAT IS THE QUESTION ABOUT OTHER PROPERTIES IN YORKTOWN THAT RAISED, IT'S ALSO RAISED THE QUESTION CAUSE HE'S NOT SELLING THE HOUSE WHEN HE MOVES.
HE JUST MAY NOT BE FULFILLING THE OBLIGATIONS LAID OUT IN THIS.
WELL, I WOULD JUST RENT THE HOUSE OUTRIGHT IF, IF I, IF I MOVE, BUT THAT'S NOT IN MY PLAN.
I UNDERSTAND WITH THAT IN MIND, SHOULD THERE BE A CONDITION THAT THERE'D BE NO WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL PERIOD.
I DON'T SOMETIMES WE'VE HAD THAT.
APPLICATION IS NOT ASKING FOR THAT THOUGH.
I KNOW IT'S NOT, BUT IT COULD BE ADDED.
I BELIEVE IT CONDITIONED FOR THEIR MOVE AND THE WHOLE THING GOES AWAY ANYWAYS.
NO, IF HE SELLS, IF HE WAS TO MOVE OUT TO ANOTHER PROPERTY, HE COULD STILL RENT THIS PROPERTY OUT AND I'M NOT SURE THERE'S ANYTHING.
I THINK BY WRITING A BM TO RENT LONG-TERM HOUSE RENTAL.
I THINK WE'RE MIXING A LOT OF THINGS HERE.
YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE KEEPING THE HOUSE IF YOU MOVE, IS THAT CORRECT? I WOULD PROBABLY KEEP THE HOUSE IF I MOVE AND THEN IT WOULD NOT, I WOULD JUST RENT IT OUT TO A, UH, A REGULAR RENTER, A LONGTERM, WHATEVER YOU CAN DO TODAY, RIGHT.
MR. ANDERSON, YOU HAD SOME RESOLUTION DOES SAY SPECIFICALLY A TWO BEDROOM ONLY, OR IT DOESN'T SAY A WHOLE HOUSE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD WISH TO SPEAK? YES, MA'AM AND YES, SIR.
LET'S HAVE THE LADY COME FIRST.
UH, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
AND I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
I'M TERRY HODSON LIVE AT 2 0 7 NELSON STREET.
I'VE BEEN NAVY FOOTBALL FOR YEARS AND YEARS.
UM, HE'S BEEN A WONDERFUL NEIGHBOR AND LIKE HE SAID, HE'S BEEN LIVED HERE FOREVER AND DAY.
UM, HE'S BEEN ON THE ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD WITH MY HUSBAND, SO WE'RE VERY CONCERNED WITH THE AESTHETICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND KEEPING THIS WONDERFUL COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE BEEN BLESSED TO LIVE IN FOR ALMOST 10 YEARS.
UM, I JUST HAD A FEW QUESTIONS.
UM, THERE ARE, AND THIS IS JUST NOT NECESSARILY TO DING BOBBIES, BUT TO JUST BE AWARE LIKE A COUPLE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THE VILLAGE AND I KNOW WHERE HISTORIC AREA AND I LIKE TO BE A GOOD HOST TO PEOPLE COME TO THE VILLAGE AND I WOULD LOVE THE PEOPLE COME TO THE VILLAGE TO BE GOOD GUESTS.
THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE, BUT WE HAVE THE HORNSBY I'LL SEND THE MORAL AND THE YORK RIVER IN BREAD, BECK, BED AND BREAKFAST.
UM, THE YORKTOWN COTTAGES AND RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO BOBBY'S IS THE ROOSEVELT COTTAGE, WHICH I'M NOT EVEN SURE IS ON Y'ALL'S RADAR.
UM, AND I'M NOT HERE TO POINT FINGERS OR ANYTHING, BUT I THINK THAT THAT THERE'S, THAT WOULD BE TOO ON MY STREET.
SO I JUST, I JUST WANT US TO BE AWARE OF PLANNING.
WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE MORE RENTALS THAN WE HAVE HOMEOWNERS BECAUSE WE HOMEOWNERS AND I REALIZED THAT BOBBY AS A HOMEOWNER HAS NOW, UH, AND HAS MORE OF A STAKE AND HE'S MORE VESTED IN IT.
UM, AND I APPRECIATE THAT FACT, BUT I ALSO WANT TO BE AWARE THAT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE MORE RENTALS IN THE AREA THAN WE HAVE HOMEOWNERS LIVING IN THOSE HOMES.
ONE, IT, WE HAD A SPEAKER, I THINK LAST MONTH AT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING WHO SPOKE, SPOKE VERY ELOQUENTLY ABOUT, UM, NOT HAVING ENOUGH PLACES IN YOUR COUNTY THAT PEOPLE CAN RENT OR OWN TO AND TO LIVE IN.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE START TAKING AWAY THOSE BY PUTTING IN MORE AIRBNBS AND, UH, UH, VACATION RENTAL BY OWNERS, WE TAKE AWAY FROM THAT SOURCE.
UM, ALSO I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, UH, I THINK EARL SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE, THE, THAT THE VISITORS COMING IN UNDERSTAND THE, THAT THIS IS A TOURIST AREA, THE NEED TO SLOW DOWN.
THEY DON'T INVOLVE, YOU CAN ATTEST TO THAT.
THEY DON'T NOT THAT HIS GUESTS WERE DOING DIFFERENT, BUT THERE'S TOO MUCH.
IT'S A VERY SMALL STREET, TWO CARS, CAN'T GO DOWN IT WITHOUT ONE MOVING OVER AND GOING.
THERE'S A LOT OF SPEED GOING ON AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS COUNTY PUT IN A SPEED BUMP TO SLOW THINGS DOWN.
UM, LET'S SEE, JUST A CONCERN,
[02:05:01]
ANY PROBLEMS WITH SHARED ACCESS WITH, UH, MR. BROWN, THE NEIGHBOR.I HOPE THAT'S ALL BEEN, I KNOW THAT HE GRACIOUSLY TALKED TO HIS BACKDOOR NEIGHBOR CAUSE WE'RE FRIENDS WITH THEM AND TALKED ABOUT ALLEVIATING THE PARKING THERE.
SO I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT HE IS TALKING WITH NEIGHBORS AND YOU KNOW, AND EVERYTHING, BUT I JUST HAD THAT QUESTION.
CAN WE BE REALLY MORE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY? SO WE DON'T GET TOP-HEAVY ON THAT.
UM, AND WHERE IS IT GOING TO BE ADVERTISED AS ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE, AND I HOPE YOU DO WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
IS YES, WE HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER.
BRIAN, BRIAN AND TALA 1 5 1 DENNIS DRIVE.
UH, SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS FOR QUITE A FEW TIMES NOW.
UH, ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE VERY VALID, UH, THAT THE CONCERN THAT YOU HAD ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS INDIVIDUAL WHEN MOVING OUT OF THIS HOME TO ANOTHER PROPERTY IS SIMPLY ADDRESSED BY WHAT WAS TALKED ABOUT WITH IT BEING A TWO BEDROOM RENTAL, UH, JUST LIKE WHAT YOU HAD LAST MONTH WITH EDL COMING FORWARD WITH AN APPLICATION FOR A WHOLE HOME RENTAL.
THAT'S WHAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN IN ORDER FOR THIS TO BE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
SO TO ALLEVIATE YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, YOU'VE ALREADY HAD THE SYSTEMS AND PROCESSES IN PLACE.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THOSE GRAVEL ROADS, THE GRAVEL PARKING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I HAVE A GRAVEL DRIVEWAY.
SO I MEAN THAT DOESN'T LIMIT PARKING CAPABILITY.
WHAT I WOULD BE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT IS EXACTLY WHAT WAS DISCUSSED HERE A MINUTE AGO, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE MORE TOURISTS COMING IN IN THE SUMMER MONTHS AND OTHER TIME PERIODS WHERE THERE'S HEAVY AMOUNTS OF TRAFFIC.
THERE'S NO ABILITY TO RESERVE THOSE SPOTS SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT HOME.
AND SO TH TH THAT NEGATES THE ABILITY FOR A POTENTIAL RENTER AND THE HOMEOWNER TO HAVE THAT LIMITED SPACE FOR THE TWO PARKING IN THE REAR, AS OPPOSED TO THE, IN THE FRONT, BECAUSE 4TH OF JULY, THE STREETS ARE LINED WITH CARS BECAUSE PARKING IS SO, OKAY.
OKAY, WELL MAYBE 4TH OF JULY, THEY BLOCKED OFF, BUT OTHER SUMMER EVENTS, NO PROBLEMS. OKAY.
WELL THEN I RETRACT MY STATEMENT ON THAT, BUT I DO APPLAUD, UH, THOSE CONCERNS, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE NECESSITY TO THINK ABOUT THAT IN THIS AREA, WHAT I WOULD ALSO THEN TURN AROUND AND HIGHLIGHT IS EXACTLY LIKE THE STAFF IS HIGHLIGHTED WITH EACH OF THESE SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
WE INCREASE VEHICLE CAPACITY ON THESE DIFFERENT ROADS, BUT THERE'S NO ACCOUNT TAKEN INTO EFFECT ABOUT THE ROAD MAINTENANCE ROAD REPAIR CLEARING THOSE ROADS, UH, IN EVENTS OF SNOW.
BUT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE SHORT-TERM RENTALS, SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND THE VILLAGE, THE IMAGE SHOWED IT HOUSES ON TOP OF HOUSES.
NOW YOU'RE INCREASING THAT VEHICLE CAPACITY WITHOUT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE NECESSITY FOR THOSE ROAD MAINTENANCE AND THAT'S HAPPENING ACROSS THE COUNTY.
I WOULD ALSO IMPLORE YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE IMPACTS OF HOME BASED BUSINESSES THAT ALSO REQUIRE FREQUENT USE OF THOSE ROADS.
THAT WASN'T PART OF THE ORIGINAL PLANNING FOR THOSE ROADS, NOR IS THAT PART OF THE TAXATION PLAN TO UNDERSTAND THE NECESSITY FOR MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR OF THOSE ROADS.
THERE ARE QUITE A FEW DERELICT ROADS IN THIS COMMUNITY, AND WE HAVE YET TO ADDRESS THOSE, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOU.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE OUT THERE? OKAY, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
UM, THE ONLY COMMENT THAT I WANT TO MAKE IS WE HAVE TRIED AS A GROUP OF CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE DENSITY FACTOR IN YOUR DECISION PROCESS.
UH, RECENTLY I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, HOW MANY IN THE YORKTOWN VILLAGE AREA, I UNDERSTAND IT'S BEEN DESIGNATED AS A TOURISM COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY, UM, PLACE.
I KNOW A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, WE CONSIDERED REAL ESTATE THERE.
AND THE WAY THAT I FEEL ABOUT, UM, SHORT TERM RENTALS, I'M QUITE GLAD BECAUSE THERE IS NO DENSITY FACTOR FOR THAT AREA.
AND SO I REALLY HAVE WONDERED WHEN THE YORKTOWN VILLAGE ACTIVITY AREA WAS SET UP, WERE THOSE WHO WERE HOMEOWNERS, NOT WANTING TO HAVE A COMMERCIAL TYPE OF, UH, ACTIVITY IN THEIR HOME WHERE THEY EVER SURVEYED OR ASK HOW THEY FELT ABOUT THAT.
AND SO AS MORE AND MORE OF THESE ARE APPROVED, ARE WE CONSIDERING WHAT THE, UM,
[02:10:01]
THE HOMEOWNERS THERE MAY FEEL? THANK YOU.YOU HAD TO MAKE A NOTE THERE WITH THAT, IF THERE'S NO OTHER, UH, YES.
THE ROOSEVELT COTTAGE IS NOT A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
IT IS LISTED ON AIRBNB, BUT IT IS A MINIMUM 90 STATE DAY STAY.
SO IT IS CONSIDERED LONG-TERM.
CLOSE THE PUBLIC, BRINGING IN TO THE COMMISSIONERS, MR. SMITH, NO COMMENTS, RUSSIAN WHORE.
I WOULD, I WOULD ADD A, UH, UH, REQUIREMENT IN THE RESOLUTION THAT IF THE HOMEOWNER DOES EVENTUALLY MOVE OUT THAT THE PERMIT, UH, IS NO LONGER VALID, HE WOULD HAVE TO RECONSIDER OR REAPPLY OR, OR CHANGE IT TO A LONG-TERM RENTAL.
AT THAT POINT, THAT'D BE A CONDITION THAT WE COULD CHANGE THAT WE COULD ADD TO IT.
IS THAT IT WILL, UH, THAT'D BE IT.
MR. CRIER, OR I HAD NO QUESTIONS, MR. PETERMAN.
UM, I THINK DENSITY IS, UH, MY CONCERN HERE AND YES, I KNOW THAT YOUR TOWN IS A TOURIST PLACE AND, BUT, YOU KNOW, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH AS I KEEP LOOKING AT THE MAP AND I GO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY HERE AND THERE ARE HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE LIVING IN YOUR TOWN.
UM, SO I'M AFRAID I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE IT, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S JUST TOO MUCH DENSITY.
AND I THINK DENSITY IS A CONCERN.
WE TALKED ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS AS DENSITY IS A CONCERN, AND WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT FOR EACH APPLICATION.
AND IN THIS CASE, I, I FEEL THERE'S TOO MANY SHORT-TERM RENTALS AVAILABLE.
MR. KING, GOING TO SUPPORT MR. HOLT, ROID SUGGESTION THAT, UH, IF WE MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION'S NULL AND VOID AND THAT EITHER HAVE TO REAPPLY, UM, CAUSE I THINK WE'RE EVALUATING AND BASED ON THE, THE, WELL, THE OWN IT NOW, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LIVING THERE NOW UNDER THE CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE TODAY, ONCE YOU MOVE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET.
SO I'M SUPPORTING MR. HOLLYWOOD'S SUGGESTION.
OH, THAT WAS PART OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BECAUSE IT SAYS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD CAUSE THE PERMIT TO EXPIRE UPON TRANSFER PARTNER TRANSFER.
YOU'VE GOT TO CONTINUE TO OWN IT, BUT NOT LIVE THERE.
SO IN ESSENCE, YOU WOULD BE PUTTING SOMETHING IN TO PREVENT A WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL, CORRECT? UPGRADE.
LIKE WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST, UH, TO AN APPLICATION, WHICH I'M NOT TOTALLY AGAINST, BUT, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION AND THE BOARD, UH, ANYTHING OTHER COMMITS I TELL YOU.
UM, SO IF YOU LOOK AT CONDITION, NUMBER TWO, IT SAYS SPECIFICALLY THE OWNER OR OPERATOR THE TOURIST HOME SHALL RESIDE ON THE PROPERTY AT 2, 1 5 NELSON STREET DURING TIME OF ALL TOURIST HOME.
UM, I MEAN THAT HE WOULD HAVE TO, I GUESS, HAVE AN OPERATOR IF HE WASN'T LIVING THERE.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO ALLOW AN OPERATOR, I GUESS YOU COULD STRIKE THAT.
AND THEN IF HE'S NOT RESIDING ON THE PROPERTY, THEN THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD MAKE IT GO AWAY.
WE JUST STRIKE THE WORD OPERATOR.
I THINK, LET ME SEE, IS THAT THAT'S A POSSIBILITY CONDITION THREE OR WHAT SHOULD NUMBER TWO.
THE OWNER OPERATOR OR SOMETHING.
IF THE OWNER OF THE TOURIST HOMES.
UM, I TELL YOU, I, I HAVE CONCERNS ON THE DENSITY.
I THINK IT'S VERY DENSE AND I KNOW THE ROOSEVELT HOUSE IS A 90 DAY PLUS, BUT NO, 89, 90 DAYS KIND OF GETS MIXED IN MY MIND, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE IMPACT ON THE AREA, UH, PLUS ALL THE OTHER ISSUES THAT HAVE COME FORWARD OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS ABOUT THE SAFETY AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF PUTS IN THERE.
I, I UNDERSTAND THE GRAVEL PAD IS TRADITIONAL IN, IN YORKTOWN.
I JUST VISUALIZE GOING DOWN THAT, THAT PATH IN TOURIST SEASON WITH HOW WITH CARS
[02:15:01]
PARKED THERE, WHETHER IT'S TOURIST OR THE OWNER.AND I HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE IT AND JUST PUT IT THAT WAY.
UH, SO I I'M, I PROBABLY WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS, BUT ANYWAY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SO WE KNEW WHAT WE WANNA DO IS MAKE A REVISION TO SCRATCH THE WORD OPERATOR OUT OF CONDITION TWO.
SO THAT'LL MAKE IT, UH, PC 22 DASH FIVE DASH R.
AND WITH THAT, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE PC 22 DASH FIVE DASH R AND FORWARD IT TO THE BOARD.
THE MOTION BY MR. IS TO ADAPT PC 22 DASH FIVE YORKTOWN VILLA APPLICATION TO AUTHORIZE THEIR SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AT TWO 15 NELSON STREET.
MR. TITUS? NO, THE MOTION PASSES.
STILL GOES TO THE BOARD AROUND FEBRUARY.
THAT'S THE END OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS? WE HAVE A OLD BUSINESS.
[8. Old Business]
IS THERE ANY OLD BUSINESS BEFORE THE COMMISSION CHAIRMAN? YES.I THINK THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE A SEPARATE MOTION ON THE AMENDMENT AND THEN YET IT SAYS THERE'S A, THERE'S GOING TO BE A QUESTION AS TO WHETHER IT'S BEING FORWARDED TO THE BOARD WITH THE PROPOSED ADDITIONAL CONDITION IT'S BEING FORWARDED TO THE BOARD WITH A, RECOMMEND IT WITH, WITH, WITHOUT A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE, BUT SETTING HERE, I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING IN THE MOTION ABOUT THE AMENDMENT.
SO WE SHOULD MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND IT WITH STRIKING THE WORD OPERATOR OUT OF CONDITION TO REVISE WRESTLING.
THEY WEREN'T REVIVED BECAUSE I, THAT, WASN'T WHAT I HEARD.
SO WE'RE GOOD THOUGHT I WAS TRYING TO SPEED.
[9. New Business]
BUSINESS? NOPE.[10. Staff Reports/Recent Actions by the Board of Supervisors]
OKAY.SO YOU ALL HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY REPORT BEFORE YOU? UM, THE, UM, THE BOOTH APPLICATION FOR TOURISTS HOME WENT TO THE DECEMBER BOARD MEETING AND WAS APPROVED.
UH, THE, UH, UM, UH, THE JANUARY MEETING WE'LL HAVE THE, UH, THE LANG, THE MAYOR, THE MARINA APPLICATION, AND ALSO THE MAGNOLIA CARWASH THERE ON 17.
AND THE RYAN MOBERLY TOURIST HOME, WE'LL ALL GO TO THE NEXT JANUARY MEETING.
UH, THE ONES THAT WERE POSTPONED, UM, MORE THAN LIKELY TO THE FEBRUARY MEETING.
UH, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE.
UH, THE RANDALL AND THE ROJAS TOURISM WOULD BE POSTPONED OR HAVE BEEN POSTPONED SO FAR.
UM, BUT THEY WILL BE ON THE AGENDA LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR, UH, FEBRUARY AGENDA.
YOU DO HAVE ANOTHER BIG AGENDA.
UH, YOU HAVE A TOURIST HOME ON ALAN'S MILL ROAD, UM, THAT, UH, KMART SHOPPING CENTER THAT I WAS TELLING YOU, THE, THE OUTSIDE LANDSCAPE NURSERY AREA THAT THEY USED TO HAVE A CONTRACTOR WANTS TO GO IN THAT, UH, THAT'S THE LOCK SUPPLY COMPANY.
UH, WE HAVE ANOTHER TOURIST HOME ON FENTON MILL ROAD UP IN THE UPPER COUNTY.
AND THEN WE HAVE A, UH, COMMERCIAL RECEPTION HALL DOWN IN THE YORKSHIRE DOWNS SHOPPING CENTER.
THAT'S LOOKING TO GO IN THERE.
UM, ALSO ALL OF THOSE WILL BE ON YOUR AGENDA FOR FEBRUARY.
WHAT IS A COMMERCIAL RECEPTION HALL? I'M SORRY, WHAT IS A COMMERCIAL RECEPTION HALL? SO IT'S A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN HOLD EVENTS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
[11. Committee Reports]
ANYTHING ON A YES.UM, LAST WEDNESDAY, UH, WE COULD GO,
[02:20:01]
WE HAD A BAR 2040 COMP PLAN COMMITTEE MEETING.UH, WE HAD SOME VERY ROBUST DISCUSSIONS, MAINLY FOCUSED ON THE LOWER COUNTY THIS TIME.
AS YOU MAY RECALL, WE DISCUSSED THE UPPER COUNTY AT OUR FIRST MEETING LAST MONTH ON, ON FUTURE LAND, USE THIS PAST MEETING, WE TALKED ABOUT THE UPPER COUNTY.
WE DIDN'T QUITE GET IT ALL DONE.
WE STILL HAVE A ROUTE 1 34 AREA AND SOME OF TAB LEFT TO DISCUSS.
AND WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THAT AT OUR FEBRUARY MEETING AND WRAP THAT UP.
AND HOPEFULLY, UH, UM, THOSE THREE MEETINGS WILL KIND OF RESOLVE SOME OF THE DISCUSSION MATTERS, UH, ABOUT, UH, OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
UH, WE WANTED TO TAKE OUR TIME WITH THIS SUBJECT MATTER BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET IT RIGHT.
AND TO ALLOW EVERYONE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO PARCEL BY PARCEL.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY THE WAY STAFF HAS LED US, UH, FROM UPPER COUNTY DOWN TO LOWER COUNTY.
AND SO WE'VE, EVERYONE'S SO FAR HAS HAD A CHANCE TO CHIME IN, OF COURSE, THIS IS NOT THE END OF IT.
THIS IS JUST OUR DISCUSSION PHASE.
AT SOME POINT, STAFF WILL DRAFT A, UM, A FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AND WE'LL GET ANOTHER CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT.
AND THERE'LL BE SEVERAL MORE CHANCES, UH, IN, UH, IN THE COURSE OF THIS YEAR.
AND THINK THAT ANSWERED THE QUESTION OF THE YEAR.
WHAT'S THAT YOU THINK WE'LL BE DONE WITH IT BY I'M NOT CONTROLLING.
I DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER THE STAFF'S WORK.
THAT'S NOT ONE OF MY JOBS, BUT, UH, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE AS MUCH PROGRESS WE CAN, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THIS AS CHAIRMAN.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO RUSH ANYTHING IF IT'S NOT RIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT I CAN PROMISE YOU.
[12. Commission Reports and Requests]
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER REPORTS AND REQUESTS? I THINK I HEARD A REQUEST TO ADJOURN.