[1. Call to Order]
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I CALLED TO ORDER THE NOVEMBER 10TH, 28, 21 REGULAR MEETING OF THE YORK COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE CODE OF CONDUCT, VIRGINIA REQUIRES LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE PURPOSE OF WHICH IS TO ADVISE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON LAND USE AND PLANNING ISSUES AFFECTING THE COUNTY.
THE RESPONSIBILITY IT'S EXERCISE THROUGH RECOMMENDATIONS, CONVEYED BY RESOLUTIONS OR OTHER OFFICIAL MEANS AND ALL ARE MATTERS OF PUBLIC RECORD.
THE COMMISSION IS COMPRISED OF CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS APPOINTED BY THE BOARD REPRESENTING EACH VOTING DISTRICT.
AND TWO AT LARGE MEMBERS STARTED.
MEANING WOULD YOU CALL THE ROW, MR. HOLROYD? YES.
MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM.
STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
[4. Approve Minutes – October 13, 2021]
HAD A CHANCE TO READ THE MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH? YES, SIR.ANY COMMENTS? NO COMMENTS, NO COMMENTS.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 16TH MEETING AS WRITTEN.
THE MOTION BY MR. HOLROYD IS TO ADOPT THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING ON OCTOBER 13TH, 2021.
MR. CORONER ABSTAIN, MR. PETERMAN.
NOW WE COME TO THE PART OF THE, UH, THE AGENDA, WHERE IF THERE'S ANYONE OUT THERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK BEFORE THE COMMISSION ON ANY SUBJECT, NOT ON THE AGENDA, NOW'S THE TIME THAT YOU CAN COME FORWARD.
[Application No. ZM-191-21, Curt and Pamela Lang (Mills Marina):]
THE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR APPLICATION NUMBER ZM, 1 91 DASH 21, KURT AND PAMELA AND LANE.GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS APPLICATION IS REQUEST TO REZONE A 0.4 ACRE PARCEL AT 70 37 BAD CREEK ROAD FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO WATER ORIENTED COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL.
THE PARCEL IS OUTLINED IN PURPLE ON THE ZONING MAP HERE, THE APPLICANTS, THE LANGS PURCHASE, THE PROPERTY AND THE MILLS MARINA PROPERTY ALSO SHOWN ON THE MAP HERE.
UM, BACK IN 2018, UH, THEY PURCHASED THE TWO PROPERTIES TOGETHER AND THEY OWN THE BOWS.
UH, THEY'RE SEEKING TO REZONE THE, UH, UH, THE SUBJECT, UH, PARCEL, WHICH, UH, IS OUR, OUR, UH, THE MILLS MARINA PROPERTY IS WATER COUNTRY, WATER, WATER ORIENTED, COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL, UH, SURROUNDING PROPERTIES WITH A MIX OF RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND WCI.
BUT, UH, ON THE WEST SIDE OF BECK ROAD, IT'S ALL RURAL RESIDENTIAL CONFERENCE PLAN DESIGNATES, UH, UH, THIS PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY TO THE NORTH AND HAS LIMITED BUSINESS.
THE LIMITED BUSINESS DESIGNATION, UH, AS YOU KNOW, UH, IS FOR, UH, COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES.
WELL, THERE ARE TWO KINDS OF CATEGORY, TWO CATEGORIES.
ONE IS COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES THAT CAN BE COMPATIBLE WITH RESIDENTIAL ACTIVITIES.
THE OTHER IS SPECIFICALLY FOR AREAS LIKE THIS, UH, ERA WATER ORIENTED KINDS OF BUSINESSES, EXCUSE ME, UM, THAT ARE LOCATED IN LARGELY RESIDENTIAL AREAS AS IS THE CASE HERE.
THIS IS A AERIAL PHOTO OF THE PROPERTY AS IT LOOKED IN 2017 AND JUST A FEW PICTURES.
UH, THIS IS THE, UH, PROPERTY.
YOU CAN SEE THE, THE OLD BUILDING IN THE MIDDLE THERE, AND THEN THE MOATS, UH, AROUND IT.
THIS IS THE MILLS MARINA, UH, WHICH IS ABOUT 110 FEET UP THE ROAD, UH, TOWARD THE END OF BACK CREEK ROAD.
AND, UH, UH, A CLOSER LOOK AT THE,
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UH, BRICK BUILDING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY.UH, IT'S AN OLDER BUILDING BUILT IN 1961, ABOUT 384 SQUARE FEET.
UH, THE APPLICANTS INTEND TO, UH, DEMOLISH THE BUILDING.
WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IS USE THIS PROPERTY FOR, UH, UH, PARKING OF BOATS AND EQUIPMENT IN CONNECTION WITH, UH, MILLS MARINA, UH, UP THE ROAD, WHICH I MENTIONED, UH, THAT THEY ALSO, UM, UH, AS I SAID, THEY PLANNED TO DEMOLISH THIS BUILDING AND PUT UP A METAL GARAGE BUILDING, UH, IN WHICH BOATS WOULD BE PARKED, UH, PRETTY MUCH COVERED ALL THIS BOAT EQUIPMENT PARKING ABOUT A 2,400 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE BUILDING.
UH, THEY HAVE PROFFERED, UH, AS CONDITIONAL REZONING TO, UH, PROHIBIT CERTAIN USES, UH, THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE ALLOWED IN THE WCI DISTRICT.
AND, UH, THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY IS, UH, ALL RESIDENTIAL AND THERE ARE CERTAIN MORE INTENSIVE KINDS OF WCI USES THAT YOU WOULDN'T WANT, UH, NECESSARILY, UH, IN A RESIDENTIAL AREAS, SUCH AS BAIT TACKLE, MARINE SHOP, GROCERY SALES, THEY HAVE THAT AT MILLS MARINA.
THEY DON'T NEED ANOTHER ONE, A FISH SEAFOOD STORE, A SMALL ENGINE REPAIR BOAT, SALES SERVICE, RENTAL BOAT REPAIR.
AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHAT GENERATED THIS APPLICATION, UH, UH, SOMEBODY, UH, THERE WAS A COMPLAINT, UH, ABOUT, UH, SOMEBODY, ONE OF THE BOAT OWNERS APPARENTLY WAS, WAS ON THE PROPERTY DOING SOME WORK ON HIS BOAT.
AND, UH, SOMEBODY CALLED HER THE ZONING OFFICE.
UH, AND THAT'S WHAT INITIATED, UH, THIS APPLICATION, UH, TO BRING THE, UH, THE PROPER ZONING TO WCI BOAT REPAIR SERVICING STILL WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED, UH, BUT BOAT PARKING WOULD, AND THERE'S BASICALLY NOTHING ELSE THAT'S PERMITTED BY, RIGHT.
AND WCI, UH, THAT HASN'T BEEN PROFFERED OUT AND WITH THE EXCEPTION OF DOCKS AND MARINAS, AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT A WATERFRONT PARCEL, YOU COULDN'T HAVE A DOCK MARINA.
SO, UH, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY RESTRICTIVE AS FAR AS THE PROFITS GO, UM, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A WCI PROPERTY ADJACENT TO OUR, OUR, THERE WOULD BE SOME TRANSITIONAL BUFFERS REQUIRED, UH, AS YOU SAW FROM THE AERIAL PHOTO, THERE'S BASICALLY NO LANDSCAPING OUT THERE AT ALL.
UH, SO THERE WOULD BE A 12 AND A HALF FOOT, UH, LANDSCAPE BUFFERS WOULD HAVE TO BE PLANTED ON THE TWO SIDE PROPERTY LINES AND ALSO THE REAR PROPERTY LINE, UH, TO THE FRONT.
THERE WOULD BE THE USUAL 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE YARD, UH, REQUIRED.
UH, SO AS I STATED, THE APPLICATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN.
UM, NOTHING REALLY NEW GOING ON HERE.
UH, THE BOATS HAD BEEN ON THAT PROPERTY JUDGING FROM THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHY, UH, AT LEAST FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS.
UH, THE LANDSCAPE BUFFERS, UH, WILL PROVIDE A MORE AESTHETICALLY ATTRACTIVE, UH, PROPERTY AND PROVIDE SOME SCREENINGS, SOME BUFFERING, UH, BETWEEN THE BOATS AND THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY ADJACENT.
AND SO WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION THROUGH THE ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION PC 21 DASH 12.
WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY EMAIL COMMENTS ON THE APPLICATION.
I DID RECEIVE A PHONE CALL TODAY FROM A GENTLEMAN WHO LIVES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF BACK CREEK ROAD, UM, JUST ABOUT TWO OR THREE HOUSES DOWN FROM THIS PROPERTY.
AND HE INDICATED THAT HE HAD NO PROBLEM WITH THE PROPOSED REZONING.
AND HE SAID THAT THERE HAD BEEN NO BOATS ON A PROPERTY, UH, FOR AS LONG AS HE CAN REMEMBER.
UM, I BELIEVE THE LANG'S ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF.
IT'S HARD TO TELL WHAT THESE MASKS, UM, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE FOR ME AT THIS TIME.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. CROSS ONE QUESTION YOU'VE MENTIONED THE FRONT BEING LANDSCAPED, IS THERE A SIZE OF A OPENING OR DRIVE THAT CAN COME IN THERE? THE PLAN SHOWED MOST ALL OF IT WAS DRIVEWAY GOING IN.
UH, PROBABLY HAVE NARROW THAT ENTRANCE SOMEWHAT, BUT OF COURSE IT HAS TO BE WIDER TO ALLOW THOSE BIG, UH, YOU SAW IT IN THE PICTURE.
SOME OF THOSE BOATS ARE PRETTY BIG.
UM, THERE IS, UH, A LOT OF LANDS OF GRAVEL, UH, OUT THERE.
UH, AND SO OBVIOUSLY SOME OF THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP, UH, FOR THE LANDSCAPING.
UH, WHEN I WENT OUT THERE TO POST THE SIGN, IT, IT TOOK US 10 MINUTES TO FIND A SPOT IN THE GROUND WHERE WE COULD POST A SIGN BECAUSE IT'S JUST GRAVEL THROUGHOUT.
SO A PORTION OF THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE REMOVED.
THANK YOU, MS. CROSS ONE QUESTION.
YEAH, I THINK YOU SAID THAT THERE'S ALMOST NOTHING ELSE THAT CAN BE DONE WITH THIS PROPERTY, WITH THE PROFFERS.
IT'S GOING TO BE A SPEAKER AND WCI, UH, AS FAR AS A MATTER OF RIGHT.
THEY BASICALLY PROFFERED OUT, UH, EVERYTHING OTHER THAN DOCKED MARINA.
AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT, NOT ON THE WATER, SO YOU, YOU, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
SO, UH, BUT WE DO ALLOW, UH, ORDINARY.
I MENTIONED THAT THE, THE PURPOSE OF THIS APPLICATION IS TO HAVE BOAT PARKING IN CONNECTION WITH THE MARINA.
UH, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE ZONING ORDINANCE
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REQUIRES PARKING TO BE ON THE SAME PROPERTY AS, UH, THE USE THAT YOU PARKING FOR.THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO, UH, TO DEVIATE FROM THAT REQUIREMENT, UH, TO HAVE OFFSITE PARKING ARRANGEMENT SUCH AS THIS.
AND SO THIS WOULD BE, UH, IF THE APPLICATION IS APPROVED, THIS WOULD BE PERMITTED.
I THINK WE HAVE, UH, YOU SAID THAT MR. UH, LANG KURT LANG AND THERE THE APPLICANTS, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE 10 MINUTES, I KEEP FORGETTING.
AND IF YOU WOULD COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I GOOD EVENING, UH, KURT LANG OWNER OF MILLS MARINA 1742 BACK CREEK ROAD ALSO OWN THE 1737 BACK CREEK, WHICH WE'RE HERE ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF REZONING.
THIS PROPERTY IS BECAUSE WE HAVE LACK PARKING OF THE MARINA DURING THE BUSINESS HOURS, ESPECIALLY ON WEEKENDS.
SO WE NEED THE EXTRA PARKING IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE ALL OUR CUSTOMERS.
UM, I DID AGREE TO NO LONGER REPAIR BOATS ON THE PROPERTY, AS LONG AS WE CAN PARK THEM AND NOT HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, ALSO WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT A 40 BY 60 GARAGE UP SO THAT OUR EQUIPMENT COULD STAY IN INDOORS VERSUS BEING OUTSIDE AND IN THE, UH, ELEMENTS, UH, WHICH WOULD ALSO GIVE US MORE PARKING AROUND THE MARINA.
ALSO, UM, WE DO CURRENTLY PARK THE VEHICLES ON THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY ARE REGISTERED AND THEY ARE ON WHEELS CURRENTLY.
SO, UM, IN ORDER TO PUT THE BUILDING UP, I'D HAVE TO, UH, DECONSTRUCT THE, THE, THE BUILDING THAT'S ON THERE NOW, UM, WHICH I BELIEVE WOULD ALLOW US A LITTLE BIT MORE PARKING TO, UM, AS FAR AS THE LANDSCAPING, I WAS SPEAKING WITH ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS AND THEY WERE KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING AND THEY WOULD PREFER A PRIVACY FENCE.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO VERSUS THE LANDSCAPING.
UM, I FIGURED WE COULD WORK THAT OUT EITHER TONIGHT OR, UH, DOWN THE ROAD, THERE'S THE CROSS PRESENTATION.
UM, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE BOUGHT MILL'S MARINA IN DECEMBER OF 2018.
WE DID NOT ANTICIPATE ON GETTING AS BUSY AS WE DID.
UM, WE FIT VERY WELL WITH THE COMMUNITY.
COMMUNITY HAS BEEN EXCELLENT, VERY SUPPORTIVE IN EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE AT MILLS MARINA.
UM, AND WE'VE GROWN SO FAST, UM, WHICH IS BECAUSE OF OUR CUSTOMER BASE.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO GROW IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO NEED MORE PARKING.
SO THIS WOULD BE A GREAT ASSET TO MILL'S MARINA AS WELL.
CAN YOU ADDRESS TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION IF YOU WENT THROUGH? OKAY.
UM, THERE'S NOTHING TO PROHIBIT MR. LANG FROM INSTALLING A PRIVACY FENCE, BUT THE TRANSITIONAL BUFFER IS AN ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT.
SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE PROVIDED, UH, EVEN WITH THE PRIVACY FENCE AND THE BUFFER WOULD HAVE TO BE, UH, ON THE OUTSIDE THERE'S, SINCE THIS IS A REZONING AND NOT A USE PERMIT, WE DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE THAT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
IF, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY, IF THEY WANT TO, TO PROFFER TO BUILD A PRIVACY FENCE, IF THAT IS THEIR DESIRE, BUT THERE'S NO WAY SUSIE REZONING PROCESS THAT, UH, THE COMMISSION AND THE BOARD CAN COMPEL THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE VOLUNTARILY PROPER, BUT THEY'D STILL HAVE TO HAVE IT AS A BUFFER WOULD STILL BE THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER WOULD STILL BE READING.
IS THERE ANY, IS EVERYBODY WHO'S TALKING, I'M JUST GOING TO SPEAK FOR A MOMENT WITH THE GRAVEL THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT AND, AND TRYING TO KEEP PLANTS GROWING.
IF IT'S A HARD PACK SOIL, IS THERE ANY, UH, MITIGATION THAT HAS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF OR ANY KIND OF, I'M STRUGGLING HERE FOR THE RIGHT WORDS? I KNOW IF YOU GO OUT AND PLANT TREES IN A HARD PACK, DIRT, UH, THEY'LL DIE FAIRLY QUICKLY, AND THEN IT WILL BE IN THE PROCESS.
PARDON? MASTER GARDENER AT THE END OF THE ROAD OVER THERE.
SO MAYBE HE CAN HELP WITH THAT.
I DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, MR. PETERMAN, BUT WELL, ORIGINALLY THAT BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY WAS ERECTED AS A BARBERSHOP.
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IT WAS, IT WAS A BUSINESS AT THAT TIME.SO FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, I WAS TOLD THERE WAS PROBABLY 30 TO 30 TO 40, UM, DUMP TRUCK LOADS OF GRAVEL PUT IN THAT, ON THAT PROPERTY FOR THAT PURPOSE.
SO THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF GRAVEL THROUGHOUT, RIGHT.
SO I, I THINK, UH, YEAH, I THINK THAT'LL BE A ISSUE TO PUT PLANTS IN THERE AND GROW THEM AND, AND KEEP THE BUFFER ALIVE OVER THE NEXT YEARS.
I DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION FOR YET.
IT'S NOT REALLY PART OF THIS COMMISSION.
WELL, THE OTHER THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT TOO IS WHEN WE HAVE TIDAL FLOODING THAT PROPERTY, IT DOES GET WET.
UM, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT KIND OF SHRUBBERY OR PLANTS THAT CAN WITHSTAND SALT WATER.
UM, I'M NOT SURE WHETHER IT'S WAY BEYOND MY EXPERTISE IS PROBABLY NOT IN THIS COMMISSION'S PURVIEW TO, TO ADDRESS THAT.
BUT I WOULD HOPEFULLY THAT I THINK THERE'S A COUNTY BOARD OR, OR SOMETHING THAT TALKS ABOUT, UH, WETLANDS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND THEY MAY BE ABLE TO HELP YOU.
I DON'T KNOW, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BUT AS MR. KRAUSE SAID, I THINK WITH, OR WITHOUT THE FENCE, WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT, THAT BUFFER IN THERE THAT 12, 12 AND A HALF FOOT BUFFER IF I REMEMBER RIGHT ON THE SIDES.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR, FOR, UH, MR. RAY? I HAD ONE QUESTION PLEASE.
MR. LANG, THE GARAGE BUILDING.
DO YOU HAVE ANY POINT AS TO PARK BOATS INSIDE THE GARAGE BUILDING OR IS THAT STRICTLY FOR EQUIPMENT? THERE WILL BE SOME, YES.
DOES THAT ENTRANCE ON THE SIDE GIVE YOU ACCESS OR DOES IT GIVE YOU ENOUGH ROOM TO BE ABLE TO PULL A BOOK TRAILER IN ON THE SIDE? YES.
I'M SURPRISED AT THE LOCATION OF THAT DOOR, THE DOOR WOULD BE TO THE FAR LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WOULD ALLOW ME THE, THE, THE RADIUS TO GET A BOAT INSIDE CONSIDERED THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS MR. LANG KATE? I HAVE, UH, THANK YOU.
WE HAVE, UH, TWO OTHER PEOPLE THAT WANTS TO WISH TO SPEAK TONIGHT.
IF YOU CAN COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
YEAH, I'M JUST HERE FOR, FOR KURT AND PAM.
UM, I KNOW WHEN WE BUILT OUR HOUSE, UM, WE'RE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM THEM.
WE BUILT OUR HOUSE PROBABLY ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF BEFORE THEY BOUGHT THE MARINA.
WE'D USE, WE USE THE BOAT RAMP EVERY WEEKEND AND SOMETIMES DURING THE WEEK, UM, THAT PLACE WAS, UH, WAS, UH, IN SHAMBLES.
UM, WE, WE THERE, BUT WE STILL USE THE RAMP.
WE PAID THE RENT FEE TO THE LADY WHO OWNED IT, THIS PLACE.
THEY MOVED IN AND, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE THERE FROM OUT OF TOWN AND THEY'RE OUT OF STATE, YOU KNOW, IT TOOK A WHILE FOR US TO FEEL THEM OUT, BUT THEY'VE BEEN GREAT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, MY KIDS GO DOWN THERE ALL SUMMER, GET ICE CREAM, LIKE I SAID IN IT'S BECOME SO POPULAR JUST BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO BRING YOUR BOAT AND LAUNCH AT.
YOU HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE COMING FROM THOMAS', UM, EVEN THE PUBLIC BOAT RAMPS THEY'RE COMING THERE AND PAYING THE RENT FEES TO USE THAT RAMP, JUST CAUSE IT'S A GOOD PLACE TO STOP.
YOU CAN GET DRINKS, SNACKS, WHATEVER YOU NEED TO GO.
AND BECAUSE I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I LAUNCH MY BOAT, DRIVE IT ALL THE WAY BACK AROUND JUST TO LEAVE ROOM FOR HIS OTHER CUSTOMERS BECAUSE HE HAS SO MANY.
SO I THINK THIS WOULD BE A HUGE BENEFIT FOR EVERYBODY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THAT'S ALL I'M GONNA TO SAY.
THANK YOU, MS. GRIEVANCE, UH, CHRISTINA COYER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE? HI, MY NAME CHRISTINA COLLIER AND I LIVE ON 17, 10 BACK CREEK ROAD.
UM, I'M ABOUT FIVE HOUSES OR SO DOWN FROM CURTIN PAM.
UH, MY HUSBAND AND I BOUGHT OUR HOME IN 2015 AND WHEN WE MOVED THERE, THERE WEREN'T A WHOLE LOT OF YOUNGER FAMILIES.
UM, BUT WE LOVE THE AREA AND KURT AND PAM, UM, BOUGHT IT A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND LIKE DANIEL WHO JUST SPOKE, LIKE HE MENTIONED, IT WAS DESTITUTE TUMBLEWEEDS, BUT I WAS STILL WALKING MY KIDS DOWN THERE CONSTANTLY TO GO LOOK AT THE WATER AS SOMEONE WHO ALSO GREW UP ON THE WATER.
UM, AND THEN KURT AND PAM CAME ALONG AND THEY WERE VERY FRIENDLY.
UM, THEY THEY'RE VERY OPEN TO OUR COMMUNITY, OUR LITTLE SMALL BACK CREEK COMMUNITY.
UM, THEY'VE THEY HOST MULTIPLE GET TOGETHERS A YEAR WHERE EVERYONE'S INVITED AND INCLUDED.
WE'VE REALLY ENJOYED SEEING THE ACTIVITY.
THAT'S COME INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, LIVING ON BACK CREEK ROAD.
IT'S A LOT OF FUN ON THE WEEKENDS TO WATCH THESE HUGE BOATS GO DOWN.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH A LOT OF
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THE LAUNCH RAMPS IN SEAFORD, BUT KURT CAN LAUNCH ANY SIZE BOAT AND IT'LL HAVE A LOT OF RAMPS.A LOT OF THE RAMPS AND SEAFORD CAN'T DO THAT.
UM, YOU CAN ONLY LAUNCH SMALLER BOATS, SO WE VERY MUCH ENJOYED THE EXTRA TRAFFIC AND ACTIVITY.
UM, LIKE DANIEL ALSO MENTIONED THERE.
THEY LOVE ALL OF OUR KIDS AND OUR KIDS LOVE GOING DOWN THERE.
UM, THEY LOVE GETTING ICE CREAM AND SEEING THEIR DOGS.
UM, BUT WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL THAT THEY'VE MOVED IN AND BROUGHT A LITTLE BIT MORE LIFE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO WE ARE REALLY HOPEFUL THAT THEY'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE THE CHANCE TO GROW.
I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER, UH, FORMS FOR REGISTRATION FOR ANYBODY.
I THINK I SEE ONE PERSON OUT THERE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT.
IF YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS DR.
BOB ALEXANDER, UH, 1 0 8 HARBOR CRESCENT, SEAFORD, VIRGINIA LIVED IN SAFER.
I'VE GOTTEN ALL THE VACCINATIONS, SO EVERYTHING SHOULD BE FINE.
UH, I'VE LIVED IN C FOR 46 YEARS.
MY GRANDMOTHER WAS BORN AND SEE, UH, ON MY HAMPTON RESIDENT.
AND I'VE ALWAYS CONSIDERED SEAFORD A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE REST OF YOUR COUNTY.
I DON'T WANT TO SPEND YOUR TIME TELLING YOU ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT, SEE, THIS IS A PERFECT BUSINESS.
IT'S COME FROM THE PITS TO A VERY THRIVING BUSINESS.
I'VE OPERATED A BUSINESS IN NEW YORK COUNTY FOR 46 YEARS.
UH, SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THIS REZONING APPLICATION.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THERE? YEAH.
COME ON AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND HAVE A HEARING WITH JUST THE COMMISSIONERS AND COMMENTS.
I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD APPLICATION.
I THINK IT CORRECTS PREVIOUS ISSUES ON THAT LAND AND BRINGING IT FORWARD AND PROPER AND RESULTING, UH, I BELIEVE WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IN TERMS OF BUILDING THE MARINA AND NOW BUILDING THE AREA NEXT TO IT IS A VERY POSITIVE, VERY APPRECIATIVE HERBERT.
I WOULD AGREE WITH ALL OF THAT ALSO MENTIONED THAT IT'S A PLEASURE TO HAVE AN APPLICATION WHERE THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY SUPPORTS IT.
IT'S REFRESHING AND IT GOES A LONG WAY, BUT I CERTAINLY WOULD SUPPORT IT.
I HAVE THIRD THE STATEMENTS, UH, TODAY.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD APPLICATION AND I SUPPORT IT.
I LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE ON WILDY, BUT I DO HAVE FRIENDS ON BACK CREEK THAT GIANT GREAT DANE THAT WAS DOWN THERE.
UM, SHE'S A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE.
UM, AND SHE WALKS HER GRANDCHILDREN DOWN THERE A LOT FOR ICE CREAM AND THEY'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT IT.
SO I THINK IT'S GREAT IDEA AND I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO THAT PART OF SEAFORD.
I ALSO THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA AND A GREAT APPLICATION AND PUBLIC SUPPORT FOR IT.
UH, WE'LL JUST MENTION, WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, THE BORDER, UH, LANDSCAPE.
I THINK YOU'LL HAVE, YOU NEED SOME HELP TRYING TO GET THAT UPDATED, BUT THAT'S BEYOND THIS.
SO, UH, IF YOU'LL TAKE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
OH, AT FIRST OF ALL, I GUESS I NEED A MOTION.
I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT RESOLUTION PC 21 DASH 17.
THE MOTION BY MR. HALL, RIGHT.
IS TO ADOPT THE C M DASH 1 9 1 DASH TWO ONE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A REQUEST TO AMEND THE YORK COUNTY ZONING MAP BY RECLASSIFYING A 0.4 ACRE PARCEL LOCATED AT 1 7 3 7 BACK CREEK GROUP FROM RR TO WC.
MR. HOLROYD MR. TITUS, THE MOTION PASSES.
[8. Old Business]
UH, LET'S SEE, DO WE HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS GOING BACK TO THE AGENDA, NOT SEE ANY OLD BUSINESS? UH, I HAD SOME OLD BUSINESS I'D REALLY LIKE TO HAVE AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE WITH THE SHORT-TERM, UH, APPROVALS OR SHORT-TERM RENTAL APPROVALS.WE HAD, UH, CITIZEN FEEDBACK IN JULY.
WE HAD, UH, COMMISSIONERS SPENT TIME DISCUSSING THAT IN SEPTEMBER.
I SEE A LOT OF APPLICATIONS COMING UP ON THE, ON THE FUTURE
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ACTIVITY REPORT.AND I JUST LIKE TO FIND OUT WHERE WE ARE IN TERMS OF GETTING SOLID GUIDELINES IN PLACE, RATHER THAN COMING IN HERE AND HAVING THE SAME ARGUMENTS OVER AND OVER.
UH, YEAH, THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
AND IT KIND OF DOVETAILS INTO A QUESTION I HAD TOO.
THERE WERE SOME ACTION ITEMS THAT THE STAFF HAS FROM THAT MEETING.
WELL, FOR STARTERS, I WOULD SAY THAT WE DO BELIEVE WE DO HAVE SOLID GUIDELINES IN PLACE.
UH, WE ARE WORKING ON SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL MODIFICATIONS BASED ON THE DISCUSSION YOU ALL HAD AT YOUR AUGUST 11TH MEETING AND BASED ON WHAT THE CONSENSUS OF THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WAS, UH, ON THOSE ITEMS, UH, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, AND THE MAIN ONE, AS YOU KNOW, WAS TYING TOURIST HOME, USE PERMITS TO THE PROPERTY OWNER RATHER THAN LAND.
AND WE'VE ALREADY IMPLEMENTED THAT WITHOUT AMENDING THE ORDINANCE.
WE'VE IMPLEMENTED THAT JUST BY MAKING IT A STANDARD CONDITION OF APPROVAL WITH ALL THE RECENT TOURIST HOME APPLICATIONS WE'VE HAD.
UH, THERE WERE ONLY A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS WHERE THE COMMISSIONERS FELT THAT SOME CHANGE WAS WARRANTED.
AND SO, UH, WE ANTICIPATE SENDING YOU SOMETHING WITH THE DECEMBER AGENDA PACKAGE.
DOES THAT HAVE TO GO TO THE BOARD, IS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS GOING TO THEN IF THERE'S GOING TO, ARE THERE GOING TO BE TEXT AMENDMENTS? UH, ULTIMATELY THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE BOARD.
WHAT WERE YOU, UH, WHAT WE EXPECT TO SEND YOU ALL IN DECEMBER WOULD BE, UH, SOME PROPOSED LANGUAGE THAT YOU CONSIDER COULD CON SET HER UP, YOU KNOW, MAYBE AT THE JANUARY MEETING, UH, BUT REALLY BE JUST AS LIKE A, AN INITIAL, UH, INITIAL, UH, LOOK AT SOME PROPOSED LANGUAGE.
UH, THE ONLY THING I HAD MR. CROSS WAS, OR FOR, FOR YEAR TWO WAS WE HAD A LEGAL QUESTION FOR MR. BARNETT THAT HE WAS GOING TO GET BACK TO US ON AND TO GO OUT FOR, FOR A LITTLE WHILE, BUT I'LL, I'LL REMIND HIM WHAT WAS THAT I CAN'T LEAVE.
AND THAT WAS RAISED AT THE AUGUST 11TH MEETING HAD TO DO WITH A REZONE.
IT WAS, IT WAS ACTUALLY A FAIRLY SIMPLE QUESTION.
IT SHOULDN'T TAKE A WHOLE LOT OF RESEARCH, BUT I'LL SEND IT TO YOU AND JIM ON FRIDAY.
UH, ANY OTHER OLD BUSINESS, ANY NEW BUSINESS?
[9. New Business]
YEAH.I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND SOME TIME THIS AFTERNOON WITH THE RESIDENTS ON SPRINGFIELD ROAD.
THAT'S GETTING A LOT OF SOCIAL MEDIA COMMENTS RIGHT NOW.
IT'S TIED TO THE WOODS, UH, AT KINGS CREEK, UH, DEVELOPMENT OFF PEDIMENT ROAD.
UM, I CAME AWAY SOMEWHAT, UM, SHOCKED THAT WE HAVE ALLOWED THAT DEVELOPMENT TO TAKE PLACE, UH, AND ALLOWED BASICALLY THAT ROAD TO BE UTILIZED FOR ALL THE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY, VERY NARROW, VERY SUBSTANDARD ROAD AND A, AND A VERY DISADVANTAGED I WOULD CALL, UM, ECONOMICALLY CHALLENGED COMMUNITY THAT LIVES ALONG THAT ROAD.
IT, IT LED ME TO TWO CONCLUSIONS.
ONE, AS WE LOOK INTO THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS, WE REALLY NEED TO BE AWARE OF ANY, UM, EXISTING COMMUNITIES, UH, PARTICULARLY DISADVANTAGED OR IN THIS CASE, A PREDOMINANTLY BLACK COMMUNITY, UM, THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING THEIR BEST INTERESTS AND THAT WE PUT MITIGATION STEPS IN PLACE TO PREVENT THE KIND OF, UH, ABUSE THAT APPEARS TO BE TAKING PLACE RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS ONE CONSIDERATION.
THE SECOND ITEM THAT REALLY CAME OUT OF THAT, THE SECOND INSIGHT, I SUPPOSE YOU WOULD CALL IT, IT'S REALLY DIRECTED TOWARDS COMMISSIONER KING AND HE'S NOT HERE TONIGHT, BUT I'M SURE HE'LL READ THE MINUTES.
AS WE LOOK AT THE 2040, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE REALLY NEED TO PUT SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE AROUND, UH, AFFORDABLE USE HOUSING OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOW WE PROTECT THE EXISTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THIS COUNTY, PARTICULARLY, UH, IN AREAS WHERE THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT OR NEXT TO IT, WHAT STEPS OR WHAT, UH, PROVISIONS SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT, OR WHAT SHOULD WE HAVE IN PLACE? I THINK THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE SPELLED OUT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THERE'S NOTHING THERE TODAY THAT ADDRESSES THAT.
AND I THINK IT'S SADLY LACKING.
I, YEAH, I REALLY HAVE NO COMMENTS ON YOUR COMMENTS.
ANYBODY HAVE A COMMENTS ON THOSE? NOPE, I'M GOOD.
[10. Staff Reports/Recent Actions by the Board of Supervisors]
THERE ARE NO RECENT ACTIONS BY THE BOARD BECAUSE THE BOARD HASN'T MET SINCE YOUR OCTOBER MEETING, UH, NEXT WEEK, THEY WILL CONSIDER THE TAKE FIVE OIL CHANGE FACILITY DOWN ON ROUTE 17 AND ORIANA ROAD.[00:30:01]
USE CASE ON THEIR AGENDA.THE YORK TERRORIST TOURIST HOME IS GOING TO GO ON THE, UH, DECEMBER 21ST AGENDA AT YOUR UPCOMING DECEMBER 8TH, UH, MEETING.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF TOURIST HOMES ON THE AGENDA CUP, ONE IN ON PENNIMAN ROAD, ON, ON YORKSHIRE DOWNS, UH, AND, UH, AN APPLICATION TO AMEND, UH, THE USE PERMIT APPROVAL FOR A, AN EXISTING TOURISM ON EDL AVENUE.
UM, AND THERE WERE A COUPLE OF CONDITIONS IN THE APPROVAL THAT THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING TO REMOVE.
ONE IS, UH, THAT, UH, THE OWNER OPERATOR BE ON THE PREMISES WHILE BRAMBLES ARE TAKING PLACE.
AND THE OTHER IS LIMITS RENTALS TO FRIDAYS THROUGH SUNDAYS.
HE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, BE ABLE TO RENT IT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
AND THEN THE FOURTH APPLICATION ON THE AGENDA.
UH, YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH, UH, YOUR CARWASH ON ROUTE 17.
UH, THERE'S A PROPOSAL APPLICATION TO DEMOLISH IT AND REPLACE IT WITH A TUNNEL TYPE CARWASH.
AND SO THOSE ARE YOUR DECEMBER APPLICATIONS.
[11. Committee Reports]
COMMITTEE REPORTS? THE 2040? I KNOW MR. KING IS NOT HERE SO WELL, I CAN REPORT FOR THE COMP PLAN COMMITTEE.UH, THERE WAS A MEETING, UH, UH, A WEEK AGO TODAY AT THE SENIOR CENTER.
AND, UH, UH, WE'RE GETTING INTO, UH, THE LAND USE ELEMENT OF THE PLAN, WHICH IS REALLY THE MEAT OF THE PLAN, THE CENTERPIECE.
AND, UH, SO WE HAD SOME, UH, SOME GOOD DISCUSSION, SOME, UH, SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, THE RECENT TO LAND USE PUBLIC INPUT, FORMER FORUMS THAT WE HELD BACK IN SEPTEMBER.
AND SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT IN THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED, AND THOSE ARE ALL AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE.
UH, AND WE STARTED TALKING A VERY PRELIMINARY WAY ABOUT LAND USE IN THE COUNTY.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
SO, UH, UH, WE EXPECT THAT THE DECEMBER 1ST MEETING TO BE, TO GO INTO THAT TOPIC IN MORE DETAIL, UH, UH, DECEMBER 1ST, FIRST, WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE AT THE SENIOR CENTER, BUT IT'S HAS NOT YET BEEN CONFIRMED.
[12. Commission Reports and Requests]
REPORTS OR REQUESTS? YES, SIR.THEN LET'S ADJOURN THE MEETING.