[1. Call to Order]
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THE CALL TO ORDER THE AUGUST 11TH, 2021 REGULAR MEETING OF THE YORK COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE CODE OF VIRGINIA REQUIRES LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE PURPOSE OF WHICH IS TO ADVISE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON LAND USE AND PLANNING ISSUES AFFECTING THE COUNTY.
THEIR RESPONSIBILITY IS EXERCISE THROUGH RECOMMENDATIONS, CONVEYED BY RESOLUTIONS OR OTHER OFFICIAL MEANS AND ALL ARE MATTERS OF PUBLIC RECORD.
THE CONVENTION COMMISSION IS COMPRISED OF CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS APPOINTED BY THE BOARD REPRESENTING EACH VOTING DISTRICT AND TWO AT LARGE MEMBERS.
MS. CHARTER BEANIE, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? MR. HOLT.
MR. TITUS MYTHS, THE LEAD THEM HERE.
MR. KING, MR. CRINER CRINER, MR. PETE NORMAN HERE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM.
STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[4. Approve Minutes – July 14, 2021]
ITEM FOUR ON THE AGENDA IS THE APPROVED THE MINUTES.UH, FIRST UP IS THE APPROVAL OF THE REGULAR MEETING AND JULY 14TH MEETING.
IS THERE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS? CNN? I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT IT.
WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. HALL? ROY AGREED.
MR. TIREDNESS? YES, THE MOTION PASSES.
UH, BEFORE WE DO THAT, I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF FOR TAKING WHAT WAS A LONG MEETING WITH A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS GOING ACROSS FEED AND PUTTING IT INTO SOMETHING THAT RESEMBLES SOMETHING WE CAN ALL UNDERSTAND AND COMMENT ON.
ANY COMMENTS? RECOMMENDATIONS, CHANGES DIRECTIONS? YES.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAD ONE COMMENT TO MAKE PAGE TWO UNDER, UNDER, UNDER MY NAME.
UH, THE SECOND LINE HAS BEEN MISSED.
IT SHOULD READ, UH, MANY H ALWAYS REQUIRE A TWO-THIRDS TO THREE CORE VOTE OF THE ENTIRE OWNERSHIP.
THIS IS IMPORTANT IF WE EVER GET TO A DISCUSSION, NOT AT ALL.
WOULD YOU ADD THAT RIGHT HERE? DOWN AT THE BOTTOM.
COULD YOU REPEAT THAT CHANGE? MANY H WAYS REQUIRE A TWO THIRDS TO THREE QUARTER VOTE.
THE ENTIRE OWNERSHIP GROUP TO CHANGE THE COVENANTS.
SO WE'VE GOT THAT CHANGE IN PHASE TWO, RIGHT? I'M NOT SEEING IT ON SCREEN.
THE PLANNING WORKS IF WE PAID IT TO THE PLANNING.
SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS REVISED.
MOTION APPROVED MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, MINUTES FOR OUR PLANNING COMMISSION WORK SESSION AS REVISED CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.
[5. Citizen Comments]
FIVE YEARS.CITIZENS COMMENTS, IF THERE'S ANY CITIZEN OUT THERE THAT WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND PROVIDE A COMMENT ON ANYTHING THAT'S NOT IN THE AGENDA, SPECIFICALLY, NOTHING UNDER A NEW BUSINESS, BECAUSE WE HAVE NO OTHER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, BUT NOTHING ABOUT THE ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS, ET CETERA, OR
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SHORT-TERM RENTALS.IF THERE'S ANY OTHER COMMENTS, WHEN THE CITIZENS OUT THERE, THEY CAN COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME.
[6. Public Hearings – None]
THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARINGS.[7. Old Business]
THERE ANY OLD BUSINESS? I DON'T SEE ANY UNDER NEW BUSINESS.[Planning Commission discussion of potential Zoning Ordinance amendments pertaining to short-term rentals]
UH, SO WE'VE ACTUALLY CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.AND NOW WE'RE INTO, UH, UH, UH, COMMISSIONERS, IF I UNDERSTAND, RIGHT? SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THE POTENTIAL ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS, UH, PERTAINING TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS SOMEWHERE HERE.
I GOT A DISCUSSION TOPICS WE'VE LAID OUT.
I HOPE WHILE EVERYBODY'S READ THE MINUTES.
AND I HOPE EVERYBODY HAS READ THE COMMENTS FROM THE FOLKS UP QUEENSLAND SLAKE THAT GAVE US A LOT OF COMMENTS AND MAYBE HOW WE CAN IMPROVE THE ORDINANCES.
AND, UH, BUT I THINK INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH LINE BY LINE, FOR ALL THOSE COMMENTS, WE CAN DO BETTER, WE CAN DO AS WELL BY GOING THROUGH THE DISCUSSION TOPICS THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US.
AND I THINK AT THE END RESULT HERE IN EACH ONE OF THESE TOPICS, WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THE STAFF EMOTION OR A MOVE OR SAY, WE THINK YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THIS IN THE ORDINANCE COORDINATES OR SOME KIND OF DIRECTION TO THE STAFF.
I THINK THEY WOULD APPRECIATE THAT QUITE A BIT.
SO I MIGHT ASK FOR A MOTION OR A MOVE TO, TO PUT SOMETHING IN THE THING ON EACH ONE OF THESE TOPICS.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I REALLY DON'T THINK YOU NEED FORMAL MOTIONS FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
JUST THE CONSENSUS OF THE COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF LIKE NOT ADOPTING ACTUAL ORAL LANGUAGE.
SO JUST GIVE US A SENSE OF THE COMMISSION OF WHAT DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GO IN AND ON ALL THESE DIFFERENT AREAS.
AND WE CAN TAKE IT FROM THERE.
THE FIRST, UH, DISCUSSION TOPIC IS USE PERMIT EXPIRATION REQUIREMENTS.
AND BASIC QUESTION IS, SHOULD SPECIAL USE PERMITS FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS RUN WITH THE LAND OR WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER.
AND I THINK WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON THAT WHO WANTS TO START OUT, I'LL START, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU KNOW, AS WE ALL KNEW, NO, THAT SPECIAL USE PERMITS ARE CASE BY CASE BASIS, UH, DETERMINED ON THE MERITS OF THE INDIVIDUAL CASE ITSELF, NOT NECESSARILY A BLANKET WIDE APPROVAL.
UM, I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT, IT'S IT? UH, IT'S TIED TO THE PROPERTY OWNER BECAUSE YOU GET A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT COMES IN HERE AND TELLS US THEY PROMISED THEY'RE GOING TO DO THIS.
AND, AND THEY'RE GOING TO RUN THE, UH, THE OPERATION A CERTAIN WAY.
AND OFTENTIMES WE CRAFT, UM, CONDITIONS A LOT OF TIMES BASED ON THE APPLICATION ITSELF AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PRESENTING IT.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WHEN YOU TIE IT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.
WE'RE NOT PREVENTING SOMEONE ELSE FROM COMING IN AND DOING IT.
IN FACT, UH, IT WOULD, THEY'D START OFF WITH A LEG UP ON IT BECAUSE THE USE HAS ALREADY BEEN THERE, BUT THE NEW PERSON SHOULD COME BACK, TELL US HOW THEY PLAN TO RUN THE OPERATION, UH, IN, IN THEIR OWN WAY.
AND THEN THAT WAY WE CAN, UH, MAKE A JUDGMENT ON THAT CASE.
SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT AND, UM, TYING IT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.
MISSION DESIRE IS OUR MECHANISM.
ACTUALLY, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE FOR TIM.
IS THERE MECHANISMS TO CROSS FOR TRIGGERING THAT WHEN THE SALE OF THE HOUSE HAPPENS, YOU MEAN, HOW WOULD WE KNOW IF SOMEBODY SELLS THEIR HOUSE? UH, THERE WAS NO, NO, THERE WAS NOT.
MEAN IT DOESN'T CHANGE MR. KING'S OPINION OF WHAT TO DO.
AND I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULDN'T DO THAT.
I'M JUST WONDERING HOW IT WOULD PLAY OUT.
I MEAN, IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T BE DISCOVERED.
WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY KNOW WHEN THE PROPERTY CHANGES HANDS.
AS MR. ANDERSON SAID, WE DO DO THE ANNUAL REVIEWS OF USE PERMIT SITES.
AND SO IT WOULD COME UP THEN IF NOT BEFORE.
I THINK, I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT THOUGH, IS THAT IF THEY'RE, IF THEY, THE NEW OWNERS ARE VIOLATING SOME OF THE RULES OF THE PERMIT, OR THEY'RE NOT OPERATING IN A MANNER THAT WAS CONSISTENT OF WHAT WE THOUGHT, UH, AND, AND THERE'S A COMPLAINT AND THERE'LL BE FORCED TO COME BACK THROUGH HERE AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE OPTION OF SAYING, NO, YOU'RE NOT RUNNING IT.
LIKE WE, YOU KNOW, WE EXPECTED IT OR THAT UNDER THE PREVIOUS CONDITIONS.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER MECHANISMS AND IT'S IT'S COMPLAINT DRIVEN.
BUT AT LEAST IT GIVES THE NEIGHBORHOOD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, HEY, THOSE ARE NEW OWNERS.
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THEY'RE NOT RUNNING IT THE SAME WAY.AND THEY SHOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT IT'D BE A REQUIREMENT THAT IF SOMEBODY SELLS, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO NOTIFY THE COUNTY THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M GIVING UP MY SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
I MEAN, NOT EVERYBODY MIGHT DO THAT, BUT AT LEAST IT WOULD ADD A LAYER OF PROTECTION FOR THE, FOR THE NEIGHBORS.
I'M HAPPY TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A, THERE IS A TRIGGER WHENEVER THAT INSPECTION TO HAPPEN.
SO IT WILL GET CAUGHT EVENTUALLY.
AND I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
AND ALSO YOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED BY THIS MR. KING, BUT I AGREE WITH YOU.
I WOULD JUST ADD THAT RESOLUTION USE PERMIT RESOLUTIONS ARE A MATTER OF RECORD RECORDED IN THE COURTHOUSE.
SO WHEN HE PURCHASED HER DOING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE, UH, OF A PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN APPROVED FOR AN STR WHERE THERE'S A CONDITION SAYING IT'S TIED TO THE PROPERTY OWNER SHOULD BE AWARE OF THAT.
AND THEY SHOULD ALSO BE AWARE OF ALL THE OTHER CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
AND I THINK AS WE HEAR FEEDBACK FROM THIS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE'RE NOT STOPPING ANYBODY ELSE FROM DOING IT.
NO, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME IN AND DO WHAT THE PREVIOUS PEOPLE DID AND LET HER REVIEW AND, AND YOU KNOW, SO EVERYONE CAN SEE AND IT'S TRANSPARENT.
AND THEN IF YOU'RE DOING, IF YOU'VE GOT THE SAME QUALITY OR THE SAME COMMITMENT, THEN IT'S LIKELY TO GET APPROVED.
SO LET, LET ME ADD ONE MORE THING.
THERE ARE, THERE IS A QUARTERLY, UH, TAX REPORTING REQUIREMENTS.
SO COMMISSIONER FOR THE REVENUE'S OFFICE WOULD FLAG THAT IF THEY'RE, IF THEY SUDDENLY GOT A REPORT FROM SOMEBODY WHO WAS NOT A REGISTERED, UH, SHORT-TERM RENTAL OPERATOR.
SO I'M CURIOUS, DO WE SEE THIS EXPANDING OVER TO NO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS HERE.
SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE BED AND BREAKFAST, BREAKFAST AND TOURIST HOMES ARE BOTH SHORTER TERM RENTAL SHORT-TERM RENTAL IS THE OVERARCHING TERM, THE ALL ENCOMPASSING TERM INCLUDES TOWED TOURIST HOMES AND BNBS.
I MEAN, I'M MORE OF AN OLD-SCHOOL I THINK GET OUT OF WITH LAND, THIS LAND PERMISSION, TIE IT TO THE PERSON.
I DO BELIEVE YOU'RE GOING TO BE TYING IT TO A PERSONALITY AND NOT TO ME, NOT TO A LAND, NOT SOMETHING THAT ONE THERE'S MECHANISMS IN THE CODE, I BELIEVE THAT CAN HANDLE IF THERE'S A COMPLAINT FOR NON MATERIAL CONDITION, UNLESS WE SAY THAT THE PERSON IS A MATERIAL CONDITION, THAT PERSON OWNS THE LAND.
SO IT'S A FOR ANTERIAL CONDITION THAT HE, THAT HE OR SHE OWNS THE LAND.
AND THEN IF THEY NO LONGER HOLD THE LAND AND IT'S NOT, THEY VIOLATED A MATERIAL CONDITION.
IT'S KIND OF WRAPPED AROUND A LITTLE BIT.
I HEAR YOU GLENN, BUT I'M THINKING THAT IF IT WAS TIED TO THE LAND AND SOMEONE ELSE CAN COME IN, WE WOULDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
SO SOMEONE WOULD COME IN AND RUN THE OPERATION, UH, AND WE WOULD HAVE TO, WE'D HAVE TO RELY ON OUR, OUR COMPLIANCE FOLKS IF THERE WAS, IF THERE WERE RUNNING INCONSISTENTLY, SO THERE WOULD BE NO TRIGGER MECHANISMS. SO IT WOULD CONTINUE ON THE INSPECTIONS WOULD OCCUR.
UM, CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME MERIT TO WHAT THEY DO, BUT, UH, NOBODY WOULD EVER KNOW IT COULD BE CHANGED HANDS TWO OR THREE TIMES.
AND, AND SO I JUST THINK, I, I JUST THINK IT'S FAIR THAT IF YOU WANNA, IF YOU WANT TO DO ESPECIALLY USE PERMITS OR A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS ANYWAYS, THEY'RE A STANDARD LOAN BASED ON THE MERITS OF JUST THAT CASE.
THERE HAS TO BE SOME STANDARDS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS AND I, I DON'T THINK IT'S NOT, UH, ACROSS THE COUNTRY, IT'S NOT UNHEARD OF TO TIE SOMETHING TO PROPERTY OWNER FOR SPECIAL CASES LIKE USE PERMITS, UM, UNLIKE REZONINGS AND OTHER THINGS YOU WOULDN'T DO THAT, BUT IN THIS CASE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT THE SITUATION THAT HE'S ACTUALLY OCCURRED IN THE COUNTY MANY YEARS AGO, UH, IN THE EARLY NINETIES, WHEN THE MORAL N BNB IN YORKTOWN WAS APPROVED, UH, THERE WAS A CONDITION TYING IT, UH, TYING THE APPROVAL TO THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER, EUGENE MORELAND, UH, HE ENDED UP SELLING THE PROPERTY.
THE NEW OWNERS WANTED TO OPERATE A BNB.
AND SO THEY CAME TO THE COUNTY AND THEY PETITIONED THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO REMOVE THAT CONDITION.
AND SO THEY ENDED UP REMOVING IT SO THAT THE NEW OPERATORS COULD OPERATE A BNB ON THE SITE.
SO WE COULD PUT THAT BACK IN, BUT YOU THINK THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WOULD TAKE IT BACK OUT.
IF WE PUT IN, IN THAT AS A CONDITION THAT HAD TO BE TIED, IF THEY SELL THE PROPERTY AS A CONDITION, THEY, UH, THEORETICALLY THEY COULD APPROVE A REQUEST TO CHANGE ANY CONDITION OF ANY USE PERMIT.
NO SPECIAL USE PERMITS ARE APPROVED.
IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS IN AGREEMENT WITH THE RENTAL GOING FORWARD AND WHERE THERE'S OPPOSITION, UM, THE GENERALLY DON'T GO AHEAD.
THE ONLY WAY YOU WOULD GET NEIGHBORHOOD AGREEMENT TO GO FORWARD WITH AN STR IS IF YOU'RE A LONGTERM RESIDENT AND THEY TRUST YOU AND SUPPORT YOU AND AGREE WITH YOUR PROCESS, BRINGING IN A NEW HOLDER, RESETS THE BAR, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHETHER OR NOT THIS NEW NEIGHBOR IS GOING TO ACT IN THE SAME WAY AS THE PREVIOUS.
SO I THINK IT HAS TO STAY WITH YOU.
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BUT WOULDN'T THE SAME THING.HOLD I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT STR SO WOULDN'T THE SAME THING HOLD FOR OTHER SUP'S THAT WE HAVE TO PUT OUT THERE IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
AND WE HAVE A TON OF, WE HAVE MANY OF THOSE THAT HAS HOME-BASED BUSINESSES FROM FIREARMS TO BEAUTY SALONS, TO YOU NAME IT AND IT'S OUT THERE.
SO THOSE WOULD STILL BE TIED TO THE PROPERTY.
AND YET YOU HAVE SOMEBODY SELL A PROPERTY AND SOMEBODY ELSE COULD COME IN AND HOLD A N AND, UH, RUN A FIREARM BUSINESS, NOT A BUSINESS, BUT REPAIRING A FIREARMS AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED.
SO WHY, WHY IS THIS SO MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THAT? WELL, WE COULD, I MEAN, IT'S CERTAINLY POSSIBLE.
AND AS TIM SAID, WE CAN DO THAT AND WE CAN ASK OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, WE'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE CERTAIN, UH, DIFFERENT REGULATIONS FOR CERTAIN TYPE OF USE PERMITS VERSUS OTHER ONES THAT CORRECT.
THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CODE OF VIRGINIA THAT SAYS THAT THE CONDITIONS FOR USE PERMITS MUST BE UNIFORM AS TO ALL USE PERMITS.
I THINK THERE ARE SOME CASES, SOME MERIT TO SAY THAT WE FEEL THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER USE PERMITS AND YOU CAN DO IT UNTIL WE'RE TOLD WE CAN.
MR. PAINTER, WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM YOU.
UM, I AGREE WITH, UH, PUTTING, UH, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH THE OWNER, UH, NOT WITH THE PROPERTY.
SO I THINK THE CONSENSUS IS, BUT WITH THE OWNER AND NOT WITH THE PROPERTY TO GET HARDER AS WE GO ALONG HARDER RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS, SHOULD THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNER OR PROPRIETOR BE REQUIRED TO BE ON THE PREMISES OR AN ADJACENT PREMISE WHERE RENDERS RENTALS ARE TAKING PLACE.
AND WE WERE GIVEN AN EXAMPLE OF THIS ON GOOSEY ROAD, RIGHT.
AND THERE ARE SOME ISOLATED CASES, MIGHT MY TENDENCY IS WANT SOMEONE TO LIVE THERE.
UM, BUT I THINK THERE'S EXCEPTIONS WHERE, UH, NOT LIVING THERE, YOU CAN MAKE IT WORK.
UM, I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS, YOU KNOW, CROSSING THIS LINE.
IT'S TIGHTENED, IT'S MAKING IT TOO TIGHT.
AND I THINK THERE'S A CASE TO BE MADE BY SOME OF THE FOLKS WE HEARD THAT ALREADY HAVE.
UM, UM, SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT THERE, THERE ARE CASES WHERE YOU CANNOT LIVE THERE AND LIVE NEARBY, RIGHT.
AND STILL OPERATE, UH, AN EFFECTIVE.
SO I'M JUST THINKING OF IN A BALANCED, THAT'S MY THOUGHT I COULD BE SWAYED, BUT, UH, MY OPINION IS THAT YOU, I GIVE A LOT OF WEIGHT TO THE FACT THAT IF THEY LIVE THERE OR UP THERE NEXT DOOR.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT A CONDITION, YOU KNOW? CAUSE THERE COULD BE THE EXCEPTIONS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING THROUGH EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES TO COVER WHATEVER THEY NEED TO COVER, TO COVER ALL THEIR BASES, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH ELECTRONICS, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH A NEIGHBOR WHO'S LOOKING OUT OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
BUT I THINK THAT'S A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
AND I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A BLANKET STATEMENT ABOUT IT.
OH, WELL MY QUESTION ARE WE CONSIDERING WHOLE HOUSE RENTALS? ARE WE CONSIDERING HEART? BECAUSE THOSE WOULD BE TWO DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS OF WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL WOULD BE REALLY HARD TO HAVE SOMETHING LIVING THERE.
SO I WAS CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, LIKE AIRBNBS ARE MUCH DIFFERENT AND THEN YES, YOU'D NEED A PERSON THERE.
SO I THINK WE'D HAVE TO MAKE THAT SAME DIFFERENTIATION.
THE WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T LIVE THERE.
SO WE CAN'T MAKE IT PERMANENT ACROSS THE BOARD AND SHE COULD LIVE NEXT DOOR.
HOW CLOSE DO YOU WANT THAT PERSON TO BE? RIGHT.
I MEAN YOU COULD HAVE, IF WE SAY IT HAS TO BE, UM, RIGHT NEXT STORE, WHAT'S WRONG WITH SOMEBODY LIVING ACROSS THE STREET OR A BLOCK AWAY.
SO YEAH, IT, IT, TO ME, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, WE GIVE VERY MUCH WEIGHT THAT WE WANT THE PERSON OPERATING THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL TO BE RESPONSIBLE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEREFORE HE MUST BE ABLE TO RESPOND IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT IS CALLED CAUSING ISSUES.
I RELATED TO OUR MILITARY AND SURVEILLANCE, THEY DO IN VARIOUS COUNTRIES AND YOU CAN USE DRONES FOR SURVEILLANCE, BUT BOOTS ON THE GROUND IS A HECK OF A LOT BETTER.
AND I LOOK AT BOOTS ON THE GROUND BEING THE EFFECTIVE WAY OF MAINTAINING GOOD CONTROL OF, OF AN AIRBNB, WHETHER IT'S A BLOCK AWAY OR NEXT DOOR, I CAN ACCEPT
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THAT THERE'S A ARGUMENT TO BE MADE ON WHAT THE DISTANCE SHOULD BE.BUT I THINK IT HAS TO BE LOCAL.
YOU KNOW WHAT WE MEAN BY LOCAL? WE DON'T WANT SOMEONE LIVING IN MEXICO.
I'M NOT SURE HOW FAR, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU COULD SAY, YOU COULD SAY IT'S NORTH AMERICA, BUT IT'S STILL, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO COUNT.
I THINK MOST OF YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT TOURIST HOMES RIGHT NOW ON THE CODE BED AND BREAKFAST.
THEY ARE REQUIRED TO BE THERE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO SEPARATE OUT THE BED AND BREAKFAST AND THE STONE IN THIS CASE.
I THINK MR. PEANUT HAS SAID IT WELL, CASE BY CASE BASIS.
WE INLAND MR. CRINER SAID THE SAME THING BASED ON THE MERITS OF IT.
DETERMINE WHETHER LIVING THERE LIVING, IS IT CLOSE ENOUGH? YOU LIVE NEARBY ACROSS THE STREET AND BLOCK AWAY.
IS IT SUFFICIENT? CAN YOU GET THERE IN TIME? WHAT'S THE RESPONSE TIME WE TAKE ALL THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND THEN SAW IT.
SO IT WILL BE A CONSIDERATION, NOT, NOT A HARD COACH.
IS THAT KIND OF WHAT I'M HEARING? I'M NOT SURE HOW I'D LIKE THAT.
I'M NOT SURE HOW WE HANDLE CONSIDERATIONS.
WELL, IT'S REALLY ALREADY IN THE ORDINANCE AS A CONSIDERATION.
I MEAN THE ORDINANCE PROVIDES FOR EITHER DESIGNATION OF HER LOCAL OR RESPONSIBLE PARTY WHO CAN RESPOND 24 7 TO ANY ISSUES OR PROBLEMS THAT ARISE, OR IF THEY HAVE TO BE ON THE PREMISES OR IN AN ADJACENT PREMISES WITH ALL KINDS OF SCENARIOS, COME UP, YOU MAY RECALL, UH, THE YORKTOWN COTTAGES, UH, WHEN THE, UH, WHEN THEY APPLIED, THE RESIDENTS LIVED IN MORROW BANK, WHICH WAS 10 MINUTES AWAY.
AND THEN WHEN THEY CAME BACK AND APPLIED FOR THE SECOND TIME AROUND FOR TO EXPAND, TURN OUT THE BOOT TO DANNY AND ONE OF THE FOUR, I THINK IT WAS DR.
PHILLIPS WHEN HE WAS ON THE COMMISSION.
HE, HE MENTIONED THAT AS A CONCERN, YOU KNOW, HOW TO, HOW DO WE CONTROL FOR THAT CERTAIN THINGS YOU JUST CAN'T ANTICIPATE AND YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T CONTROL FOR IT, BUT IT'S JUST, I GUESS IT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND.
SO WOULD IT BE FAIR TO, WE WOULD ROCK KIND OF RECOMMEND OR IS CONSIDERATION THAT IF THEY'RE NOT LIVING RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY OR EXTREMELY CLOSE, THAT THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF A SURVEILLANCE MECHANISMS IN PLACE, RIGHT? THEY HAVE THAT EITHER VIDEO OR AUDIO OR SOMETHING, EVEN MANAGER.
I MEAN, THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING TOO.
AS EFFICIENT OWNER, THEY HAVE A MANAGER NEXT DOOR.
I WAS READING ABOUT THE MANAGER AND, AND SOME PEOPLE WERE, WERE SAYING, THIS IS, IT PUTS A TREMENDOUS BURDEN ON A, SOMEBODY DESIGNATED TO GO TO A TROUBLE SPOT WHEN THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THE TROUBLE SPOT.
THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ANY TRAINING ON THAT.
SO THEY GO TO THIS AND THEY HAVE A TROUBLE, SOMETHING BAD GOING ON IN THE HOUSE AND THEY'RE TRYING TO RESOLVE IT.
WELL, THE IDEA WOULD, THEY HAVE TO JUST CALL THE SHERIFF AND MESS WITH IT, JUST CALL THE SHERIFF AND COME OUT WELL.
AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE THE WAY, THE WAY TO ADDRESS THOSE SITUATIONS, WHETHER YOU'RE ONSITE OR NOT.
I MEAN, THAT'S, IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, A PROBLEM.
IF I THINK WE'D BE ABLE TO RUN RULINGS, I THINK IT BE W WE, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO DICTATE WHAT KIND OF SURVEILLANCE AND TAGS THAT THEY USE.
BUT I THINK WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT MAKING, MAKING SOMEONE, UM, TO BE ON THE PREMISES IN ALL CASES, IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S NOT PRACTICAL.
AND THAT'S A HOUSEHOLD BY ITSELF, RIGHT.
THERE'S REALLY NO NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEY WERE LIKE, THIS IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE.
WHAT WOULD WE HAVE DONE THERE? THEY OBVIOUSLY CAN'T LIVE THERE.
SO, UM, WELL THE IDEA IS HOW DO WE, DO WE WANT OUR RESIDENTIAL AREAS TO BECOME INVESTMENT LOCATIONS WHERE INVESTORS COME IN TO BUY AN HOUSE AND TURN IT INTO A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
THEY'RE SAYING, NO, THEY DON'T WANT THAT.
SO HOW DO, HOW DO WE CONTROL THAT TO SOME DEGREE AND YET GET THE PROPERTY OWNER THE RIGHT TO GO AHEAD AND RENT THIS PROPERTY.
THAT'S COMING UP HERE AND ITEM NUMBER SIX ARE JUMPING DOWN THE LOAN OPEN HEAD.
UH, SO I THINK THE ANSWER, I'M NOT SURE AT THE MOMENT, THEY'RE BASICALLY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, NOT CONDITIONS TO BE CHANGED IN A CODE BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY IN THERE, BUT IT'S CONSIDERATION SOMEHOW.
IS THAT OKAY? THEIR CONSENSUS IS THAT YOU DO NOT WANT TO REQUIRE OWNER TO BE ON THE PREMISES, RIGHT? CORRECT.
WE WANT THE FLEXIBILITY SO THAT THERE'S, IF THEY'RE STANDING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME PLACES IN THE COUNTY THAT WE THINK AS STANDALONE HOME WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.
AND ESPECIALLY IF THE OWNER OPERATORS
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CAN BE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT DOOR OR A SHORT DISTANCE AWAY, OR HAVE THE MECHANISMS THAT THEY CAN, THEY CAN HAVE REAL TIME SURVEILLANCE SECURITY ON THE PROPERTY, IF YOU GOOD.WELL, I THINK THE CONSENSUS WAS THAT IT BE REASONABLY CLOSE.
THAT COMES TO, TO AN INDIVIDUAL USE BY USE PERMIT DISCUSSION, JUST AS A CURIOSITY, MR. ATTORNEY, WHAT IS, UM, WHAT'S THE RULES ON HAVING VIDEO ON A RENTAL HOUSE? UM, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT.
I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY THE QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING WHO SPOKE ON THE RENTAL HOUSE.
UH, IF, IF WE'RE TRYING TO MONITOR TO SEE THAT THESE HOMES ARE, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING WILD PARTIES OR AT LEAST THE OWNERS DOING THAT TO MANAGE THIS FROM OFF SITE, ISN'T THAT GOING TO BECOME, UH, AN ISSUE AS TO WHETHER HE'S EVEN ALLOWED TO DO THAT? I'LL HAVE TO STUDY THAT ONE.
I MEAN, THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN AT LEAST ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE ARE OPEN AND OBVIOUS TO ANYONE WHO'S THERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY PRIVACY, UH, ANY, ANY PROTECTED PRIVACY FOR WHAT GOES ON IN THE YARD AND SO FORTH, BUT IT MAY DEPEND ON HOW THAT CAMERA'S ANGLED TO WHERE IT'S PLACED.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING INSIDE A FENCED IN AREA THAN PERHAPS YOU'RE INVADING PRIVACY, I THINK IT'S A POTENTIALLY PROBLEMATIC ISSUE.
AND I'M NOT SURE WHO'S GOING TO MONITOR THE TELEVISION SCREEN TO WATCH EVERY A SHORT-TERM RENTAL IN THE COUNTY ALL THE TIME TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE PICK UP THEIR TRASH.
THEY COULD POTENTIALLY BE OVERLOOKING THE STREET AND, OR THE DRIVEWAY AGAIN IS THE NUMBER OF CARS AND THINGS.
WELL, IT WASN'T ALL JUST THAT EITHER.
IT WAS, THERE WAS ALSO THE SAFETY CONCERN MONITORING, UH, WHETHER THERE'S AN ALARM THAT GOES OFF OR A FIRE, SOMEONE BROKE INTO THE HOUSE, UH, UH, THERE WERE OTHER KIND OF CONSIDERATIONS.
IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OWNER, MONITORING HIS OWN PROPERTY, THEN, THEN THERE'S LESS PRIVACY ISSUES.
AND OBVIOUSLY THEY HAD, THE OWNER GETS TO, YOU KNOW, GETS TO TAKE COGNIZANCE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING ON HIS OR HER OWN, HIS OR HER OWN PROPERTY.
I'VE NEVER KNOWN OF A REQUIREMENT LIKE THAT.
I'M NOT SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO SOME RESEARCH ON THAT WHEN IT MAY BE PERMISSIBLE.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE OWNERS MONITOR THEIR PROGRESS.
UH, SHOULD WHOLE HOUSE RENTALS BE PROHIBITED.
I THINK WE GOT AN ANSWER DADDY AND TOO.
WELL LOOK, I MEAN, LOOK AT THE, UH, UH, I MENTIONED THIS BECAUSE IT'S COME UP IN OUR DISCUSSIONS, UH, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE CITIZENS, YOU HAVE THE POSSIBILITY, UH, SAY THE HOMEOWNER IS IN AN ADJACENT PREMISES TO, UH, A HOUSE THAT HE OR SHE IS OFFERING AS A WHOLE HOUSE RENTED.
UM, AND SO THERE WAS SOME, SOME CONCERN THAT EVEN, EVEN IN THAT SCENARIO, UH, THE WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL, UH, SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
I HAVE FIVE ACRES IN THE COUNTY.
WELL, THERE'S AN EXAMPLE IF YOU WANT IT TO YEAH.
WHY WOULDN'T I BE ALLOWED TO RENT OUT ONE OF THE ONE I'M SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO, WELL, UH, IT, YOU KNOW, DEPENDS ON, ON WHAT YOU ALL WANT TO DO WITH THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.
UH, MY POINT IS, UM, IF YOU'VE GOT TWO HOUSES ON THE SAME PROPERTY, UM, THEN NOT REQUIRING, NOT REQUIRING, UH, THE OWNER TO BE ON THE PREMISES, UH, HOLD ON.
WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE ARM TO BE ON HERE, BUT IF THEY DO IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT AGAINST IT.
SO, SO LONG AS YOU MEET THE CODE THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE, BUT YOU ARE THEN THAT'S, YOU'RE, YOU'RE FINE TO DO THAT.
NO, WELL, NO, I'M JUST SAYING, IF YOU, IF YOU DECIDED YOU DON'T LIKE WHOLE HOUSE RENTALS, THEN A PERSON WHO'S LIVING IN THE ADJACENT HOUSE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO RENT OUT THE HOUSE, OTHER HOUSE ON THE SAME PROPERTY OR THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR.
SO THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, HOW STRONGLY YOU FEEL THAT WHOLE ASPECT, SOME PEOPLE FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THEM.
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WHY THIS ROLE, THAT'S A SEPARATE DISCUSSION.WELL, MR. CRINER'S EXAMPLE IS ALLOW WHOLE HOUSE RENTERS RENTALS, THEN HE COULD HAVE TO RENT HATTON'S HOUSE OR SOME PORTION OF THAT EMPTY HOUSE NEXT DOOR, OR MAYBE HAVE TWO RENTERS IN THERE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WOULD THAT WORK? IF YOU COULD HAVE A LONGTERM RENTER AND SOLVE THE PROBLEM, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR RENTERS, SO IT'S OKAY.
BUT I JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
YOUR NUMBER TWO, YOU SAID YOU WERE REVIEWED CASE BY CASE BASIS.
THAT'S THE WAY I SAW IT LIVE THERE, THEN IT WOULD NOT BE CORRECT.
SO HOW CLOSE THEY ARE GOING TO BE IS WHAT OUR DISCUSSION SHOULD BE ABOUT IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE RIGHT NEXT DOOR OR IT WON'T BE A WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL.
THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT DISCUSSIONS.
I JUST THINK WE USE THE SAME GUARD.
RAILS IS MR. HALL ROID SAID, AND OTHERS, YOU KNOW, LOCAL, AND THAT'S A SUBJECTIVE TERM, BUT IF WE'RE NOT HAPPY THAT IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH OR THEY CAN'T RESPOND, THEN WE DON'T, WE DON'T RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE A BUSINESS PLAN.
SO, UM, I, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH FULL HOUSE RENTING PROVIDED THAT THERE'S ADEQUATE, UM, SUPERVISION OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, YOU COULD GET INTO THIS PROBLEM WHERE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWING WHOLE HOUSE RENTALS.
THE PERSON COULD, UH, WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY COULD SAY, OH, WELL THIS PARTICULAR PART OF THE HOUSE, I'M NOT GOING TO RENT OUT.
SO I AM NOT DOING A WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL, RIGHT? SO THERE'S A WAYS YOU COULD WORK THIS.
AND TO ME, THAT'S NOT THE WAY TO PLAY THE GAME.
WE WANT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE PROTECTED.
WE WANT IT TO MAINTAIN ITS FIELD, THAT ALL THE, UH, RESIDENTS ARE, AND WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER ALL THAT.
SO, NO, I, I STILL FEEL CASE-BY-CASE BASIS ON THIS.
I CONCUR THAT WE WOULD ALLOW WHOLE HOUSE RENTALS IT'S CASE BY CASE CIRCUMSTANCES.
HEY, NUMBER FOUR IS A STR DENSITY CAMPS.
SO THERE'D BE SOME SORT OF MIRACLE LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OR DENSITY OF STRS IN A GIVEN AREA.
UH, ALTERNATE SHOULD THE PRESENCE OF ONE OR MORE EXISTING STRS AND ITS PROXIMITY TO A PROPOSED STR SITE ADDED TO THESE ORIGIN ORDINANCES.
THEY, ANOTHER FACTOR TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WITH THE GOAL OF RESERVING THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, WE WANT TO PRESERVE THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S, THAT'S OUR, THAT'S A PRIMARY GOAL HERE, MR. MR. CHAIRMAN HERE.
HERE'S MY PROBLEM PROBLEM WITH THIS IS THAT YOU HAVE TO DIF MAKE A DEF DEFINITION OF A COMMUNITY OR A NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT.
I COULDN'T FIND A DEFINITION THAT IS A COMMUNITY.
AND SO TO GO THROUGH THIS, WE WOULD HAVE TO RECOMMEND THE CHANGE, THE CODE, AND SPECIFICALLY SAY WHAT A COMMUNITY IS.
AND RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
AND I, I, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE INTO NEIGHBORHOOD START AT START AND STOP.
WE DON'T KNOW SOME NEIGHBORHOODS.
RIGHT? YOU GOT SOME SMALLER ONES THAT ARE ENGULFED WITH A NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND IT.
AND YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE THE, WHERE ARE THE PARAMETERS, YOU KNOW, IS, IS, IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS GRAFT IN THE COMMUNITY OR IS IT, UH, THE PINEY POINT SUBDIVISION THAT I LIVE IN? OKAY.
SO IS THAT MY NEIGHBORHOOD, OR IS, IS MY COMMUNITY DARE OR GRAFTON OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THIS WHOLE, THIS IS VERY ARBITRARY.
AND I AGREE WITH YOU, GLEN, WE WANT TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS RESIDENTIAL.
CAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT IS, BUT PUTTING SOME LIMITS, OR THIS IS TOUGH.
AND I KNOW THE STAFF PRESENTED SOME CASES, UH, ELSEWHERE, WHERE IT WAS YEAH.
I MEAN, THE TERMS THAT THEY USE WAS DEFINED NEIGHBORHOODS AND CAUSE SOME CASES THAT'S EAST, THAT WOULD BE A SUBDIVISION.
UH, IN OTHER CASES THAT WOULD NOT BE SO EASY.
IT'S, IT'S A REALLY, THERE'S A PROBLEM THERE WITH DEFINITIONS.
UH, WE DID A LOT OF RESEARCH, MS. GROIN LOOKED INTO THIS ISSUE.
UH, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S COMMONLY DONE IN VIRGINIA.
IN FACT, WE COULDN'T FIND ANY LOCALITY IN VIRGINIA THAT CURRENTLY DOES THIS, BUT THEY DO
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HAVE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS.AND SO ON HOLD ON VIRGINIA BEACH, UM, IS CONSIDERING IN THEIR TWO STR OVERLAID DISTRICTS, UH, CAPPING THE PERCENTAGE OF STRS TO IT'S ABOUT LIKE ABOUT 10% OF THE HOMES, WHICH IS I THINK THE EXISTING PERCENTAGE THAT THEY HAVE IN THOSE TWO, TWO DISTRICTS AROUND 10 OR 11%.
UH, THE, THE FEW EXAMPLES THAT WE DID FIND THAT GET AT THIS ISSUE AT ALL, UH, ARE ON THE OTHER END OF THE COUNTRY, UH, IN CALIFORNIA, OREGON, UH, IT'S A LOT MORE COMMON AND THEY DO IT.
UH, THEY, IT, UH, IN SOME LOCALITIES BY, AS YOU WERE SAYING, MR. HOLBROOK BY DISTANCE, UH, LIKE JUST LET ME THROW A FEW EXAMPLES.
UH, UH, ONE CITY SAYS, UH, YOU CAN'T HAVE, UH, AN STR WITHIN 300 FEET OF ANOTHER STR ON THE SAME STREET.
UH, ANOTHER ONE, YOU CAN'T HAVE A STR ACTUALLY ONCE THEY ACTUALLY LIMITS THE NUMBER OF STRS TO, TO 250 AND PROHIBITS THEM FROM BEING WITHIN 110 FEET OF ANOTHER PROPERTY, FOR WHICH AN SDR LICENSE HAS BEEN ISSUED, UH, DIFFERENT LOCALITIES, UH, OUT WEST HAVE DIFFERENT PROXIMITY RULES, 300, 500 FEET.
UH, THERE IS, UH, ONE LOCALLY THAT HAD, UH, THAT REGULATED IT BY CENSUS TRACK, UH, PERCENTAGE, A PERCENTAGE OF CERTAIN MAXIMUM PERCENTAGE OF HOMES IN A GIVEN CENSUS TRACK COULD ONLY BE A 3% OR WHATEVER.
UM, THE TRICKY PART THERE IS THAT CENSUS TRACKS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT SIZES.
SOME OF THEM ARE VERY HUGE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT REALLY DENSELY POPULATED.
UM, BUT, UH, I MEAN, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF EXAMPLES THAT WE COULD FIND THAT ACTUALLY GET AT THIS ISSUE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M KIND OF RELUCTANT, I'M KIND OF RELUCTANT TO GO HERE.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IF IT BECOMES A, AN ISSUE AND IT'S, THERE'S TOO MANY OF THEM IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, WE'RE GOING TO SEE IT, WE'RE GOING TO KNOW IT.
THE STAFF DOES A GOOD JOB AT POINTING OUT WHERE THE EXISTING ONES ARE ON A MAP, RIGHT.
INCLUDED IN OUR PACKAGE, ONE ACROSS THE STREET, ONE DOWN THE ROAD.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A FACTOR FOR US TO CONSIDER.
AND WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY KNOW THIS, UM, I MEAN, THERE'S, THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS SO ARBITRARY.
AND AS MR. PETERMAN ACCURATELY STATED, UH, YOU KNOW, THESE DEFINITION PROBLEM IS, IS REALLY TOUGH.
IT DEFINE A COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, WE, SOME PEOPLE MAY, AND WHAT IF THEY'RE ON A BOUNDARY, RIGHT? YOU'VE GOT A DEFINED NEIGHBORHOOD HERE AND A DEFINED NEIGHBORHOOD NEXT TO IT, BUT THEY'RE BOTH CLOSE TO ONE ANOTHER, BUT YET ARE IN DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE STREET COULD BE A DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEN, THEN WHAT, THEN YOU NEED TO CONDITION.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS BRINGING UP.
I GOT TABLETS, I GOT YORK METALS, I GOT COVENTRY.
I GOT, UH, THE GREENLAND'S AND I GOT THE PATRIOT VILLAGE AND THEY'RE ALL WITHIN A MILE OF EACH OTHER RIGHT AROUND THERE.
AND SO YOU GOT THESE NEIGHBORHOODS OR THESE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS AND THEY'RE OVERLAPPED LIKE THAT.
AND YOU CAN HAVE THREE OR FIVE OR SEVEN ON, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE STREET.
YOU MAY HAVE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT RIGHT.
DIFFERENT HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO HOW DO YOU, THAT DOES MAKE SENSE.
AND IF YOU DID SAY IT BY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, THEN YOU'D HAVE, YOU COULD END UP WITH IT S T R IN THIS CUL-DE-SAC AND RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO IT PUT A DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU CAN HAVE ANOTHER STR, WHICH WOULD BE KIND, YOU KNOW, PREVENTING AND THAT'S, I GUESS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET HERE.
BUT I, SO, AND THE OTHER THING, I THINK WE HAVE FAIRLY DENSE HERE IN YOUR VILLAGE.
BUT PRESUMABLY IF YOU DID GO DOWN THIS ROAD, YOU WOULD EXCLUDE YORKTOWN VILLAGE BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY SPECIAL AS WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT ACTUALLY ENCOURAGES.
SHORT-TERM RENTALS IS RELEVANT.
SO WE KNOW WE'D WANT TO DO THAT COMBINING OFF OUR NOSE TO SPITE OUR FACE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I SUGGEST WE KEEP THIS AS A CONSIDERATION FOR US TO LOOK AT AND NOT TRY TO RE REWRITE THE RULES.
IS THAT A CONSENSUS WE ACTUALLY NEED TO ADD AS A CONSIDERATION? IT'S NOT IN THERE CURRENTLY.
NO, I'M A LITTLE BORED WITH THIS ONE.
I THINK THERE HAS TO AT LEAST BE A MINIMUM DISTANCE BETWEEN STRS.
AND I THINK, I THINK THAT THEN SETS A DENSITY CAP.
SO IF WE SAID 300, 300 FEET OR A QUARTER MILE, ONE LONG TO SHORT TERM RENTAL CHANGES THE NEIGHBORHOOD, JUST ONE, JUST ONE, IT'S MORE TRAFFIC.
IT'S MORE LIKE WHO'S, WHO'S NEXT DOOR TO MY KIDS TODAY.
SO JUST ONE HOUSE IS GOING TO CHANGE IT.
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH THE DENSITY.
WELL, 110 FEET AS THE STAFF PRESENTED TO US, THAT WOULD, YOU COULD JUST BE A ONE HOUSE OVER.
WELL, THERE WERE A BUNCH OF THEM, 300, 500, 1 10, THERE WERE 16, EVEN 500
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WOULD BE TWO OR THREE HOUSES DOWN THE STREET FROM ME.SO IT WAS STILL BE CLOSE SO WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO GO THAT WAY, I MEAN, YOU CAN PICK WHATEVER.
IT DEPENDS IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS ARE MORE DENSE THAN CAPRICIOUS.
IF WE JUST PICK A NUMBER
BUT WE ARE OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
OUR JOB IS GOING TO BE WATCHED THOSE NUMBERS.
I MEAN, THEY'LL HAVE INFORMATION WILL COME IN TO US AND THEN WE'RE LIKE, WHOA, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF CLOSE.
THAT'D BE A CONSIDERATION AND NOT A HARD, HARD NUMBER, I GUESS.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE NOT WORRIED OVERLOOKING.
WE'RE STILL GOING TO CONSIDER IT.
WE'RE NOT ARBITRARILY PUTTING, UH, A NUMBER OF FEET NUMBER IN THE CODE SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE THIS.
NUMBER FIVE IS NEIGHBORHOOD OPT-OUTS.
UH, SHOULD NEIGHBORHOODS BE ABLE TO OPT OUT OF HAVING A, ANY STRS BY MAJORITY OR SUPER MAJORITY VOTE OF THE RESIDENTS? I, I DUNNO.
UM, TIM, I THINK YOU TOLD ME THAT THAT'S YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
IT HAS, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME, WELL, UH, OH, LET ME, LET ME ASK, LET ME ASK, UH, OVERLAYS, GIVE YOU THE COUNTY ATTORNEY A CHANCE TO CORRECT ME, BUT A SECTION, I GO BACK TO THE SECTION 15.2 2282 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA, WHICH STATES OF ALL ZONING REGULATIONS MUST BE UNIFORM FOR USES THROUGHOUT EACH DISTRICT.
AND FOR EXAMPLE, IF STRS ARE PERMITTED WITH A USE PERMIT IN ONE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SOME RURAL RESIDENTIAL, AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE TREATED THE SAME WAY IN ALL OTHER, OUR ARIZONA NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO THE ONLY WAY TO GET AROUND IT WOULD BE TO CREATE LIKE A DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICT FOR EACH NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC IN A LOT OF WAYS.
WELL, I AGREE WITH HIS RELIANCE ON THAT CODE SECTION, IT ALSO, BY THE WAY, IT HAS THE APPEARANCE OF ALLOWING OR DIVESTING THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THE ELECTED OFFICIALS WITH THE ABILITY TO CONTROL ZONING.
UM, IT'S A, IT'S A NOVEL IDEA, BUT, UH, THE UNIFORMITY OF THAT TIM TALKED ABOUT IS GOING TO BE PROBLEMATIC.
I MEAN, THE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO COME FORWARD AND SAY, WE WANT OUR SUBDIVISION REZONED TO, UM, UH, I DON'T KNOW, R 13, NO STR, UH, WHICH I, I SUPPOSE THE BOARD COULD DO.
I MEAN, IF THERE WAS A REQUEST TO REZONE AN AREA, BUT THAT WOULD REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, THE REZONING PROCESS, BUT FOR, UM, A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT, NOT THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, SIMPLY THAT BY VOTE TO SAY, WE ARE GOING TO CONTROL WHAT, WHAT THE COUNTY CAN DO UNDER ITS ORDINANCES.
I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
AND MS. CHAIRMAN, THE, THE PROBLEM COMES INTO, AS FAR AS DEFINITION, WE WOULD HAVE TO DEFINE EACH NEIGHBORHOOD OR COMMUNITY AND THEN LAY THAT OUT.
BECAUSE AS YOU POINT OUT THERE ARE THESE COMMUNITIES OR NEIGHBORHOODS OR DEVELOPMENTS ARE, ARE INTERSPERSED OR VERY CLOSE TO ONE ANOTHER.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF NEIGHBORHOODS WANTED TO DO THIS AND MECHANISM TO DO OPT OUT PUBLIC HEARING, COME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND COMPLIANT AND COME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE COMPLAINANT DO, LIKE, I BELIEVE ONE OF OUR COMMUNITIES IS DOING COVENTRY.
THEY'RE PURSUING A CHANGE IN THE HOA COVENANTS AND LEGAL ACTION TO, TO OPT OUT OF ANY STRS.
AND THAT IN THAT HOA, THAT'S THEIR RIGHT.
I KNOW, I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT FOR COMMUNITIES TO DO THAT.
I KNOW EVERY COMMUNITY WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT'S BEEN EXISTENCE FOR A LONG TIME.
AND THEY MAY NOT, EVERYBODY MAY NOT AGREE TO DO THAT, BUT THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE AN HOA CAN I BELIEVE DO THAT.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD THAT THEY WERE PURSUING LEGAL ACTION TO GET THE CHANGES DONE SO THAT I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE THE WAY FOR COMMUNITIES TO DO THAT.
MR. CHAIR, IF I CAN MENTION ONE THING TOO, I AM FOLLOWING UP ON YOUR COMMENTS.
UM, ANY, ANY VOTE WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE WITHOUT THE ASSISTANCE OF THE ELECTORAL BOARD, THE REGISTRAR SO FORTH BECAUSE THE CODE OF VIRGINIA SAYS THERE CANNOT BE A REFERENDUM HELD UNLESS THE CODE OF VIRGINIA SAYS THAT A REFERENDUM CAN BE HELD.
AND, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S NO PROVISION THAT I'M AWARE OF.
AND THE CODE TO ALLOW A REFERENCE THAT DOESN'T MEAN A VOTE COULDN'T BE TAKEN ON SOME, SOME MEANS, BUT AT LEAST THE MECHANISM OF THE VOTING MACHINES AND THE REGISTRAR'S OFFICE AND SO FORTH WOULD NOT BE
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OKAY.SO I THINK THE CONSENSUS IS, UH, IS A NEGATIVE ON THAT SHARED NEIGHBORHOODS BE ABLE TO OPT OUT.
AND WE'RE JUST SAYING THAT, NO, NOT, NO, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE CONSENSUS.
NO, I THINK THEY SHOULD OPT OUT STRAY.
THERE SHOULD BE ABLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THROUGH THEIR HOA OR WHATEVER THEY WANT.
THEY WANT OUT WHAT THEY CURRENTLY CURRENTLY CAN WITH HOA PERMISSION OR THE COUNTY'S PERMISSION TO DO THAT.
SO THEY ALWAYS SAY, YOU'RE CONCERNED WITH NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T HAVE A MIND, DOES IT
BUT IF THEY DO HAVE SOMETHING IN THEIR COVENANTS THAT OVER AT SUPERSEDES OR WHATEVER, THE RIGHT FANCY WORD IS WHAT WE CAN DO HERE.
SO THEY HAVE, THE, THE OWNER HAS TO GO BY THE HOA REQUIREMENTS, THE RULES FOR THIS, YOU SAID SUPER A MAJORITY OF IT.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YOU AND YOUR THREE KIDS SAY, I DON'T WANT IT.
OR, UH, I THINK AT ONE TIME IT DOESN'T LIKE IT.
I THINK ONE TIME IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A REGISTERED VOTER.
THE BIG QUESTION IS THE CONCEPT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE CONCEPT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE TO DECIDE THAT YOU WANTED TO DO THIS, YOU KNOW, WE COULD COME BACK TO YOU WITH DIFFERENT SUGGESTIONS.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DON'T DON'T, BUT WE CAN COME BACK WITH SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO STRUCTURE IS SUCH A SYSTEM.
HOW DOES CHESAPEAKE DO IT? BECAUSE THEY OPTED A
SO THEY, THEY ONLY ALLOW THE STRS AND THOSE TWO ZONING DISTRICTS.
SO LIKE SAY IF YOU WANTED TO DO IT, YOU'D HAVE TO GO BY ZONING.
DO WE WANT TO TACKLE THAT BY ZONING OR NOPE.
UH, NUMBER SIX, RENTAL LIMITS.
SHOULD THERE BE A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF RENTALS PER YEAR? AND IF SO, WHAT SHOULD THAT BE? SHOULD THERE BE A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF ROOMS RENTED? AND IF SO, WHAT SHOULD THAT B WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? NUMBER OF STRS PER YEAR OR A NUMBER OF TIMES YOU CAN RENT A HOUSE IN THE MEETING? UH, IT WAS SUGGESTED A 90 DAY THAT, UH, THAT WE ADOPT A RURAL SAYING THAT, UH, AN SDR CAN ONLY BE RENTED OUT 90 DAYS OF THE YEAR.
UH, OTHER LOCALITIES ARE ALL OVER THE MAP HERE.
CHARLOTTESVILLE DOESN'T HAVE A LIMIT FREDERICKSBURG.
90 DAYS, WILLIAMSBURG IS 104 DAYS.
UH, SO THEY SEEM TO VARY FROM ABOUT 60 TO 104 IN OTHER VIRGINIA LOCALITIES.
AND THEN THERE, THERE'S A, UH, THERE'S ONE LOCALITY.
I THINK IT'S HENRICO WHERE YOU CAN HAVE 60 DAYS BY, RIGHT.
UH, AND YOU CAN APPLY FOR A USE PERMIT TO HAVE MORE THAN 60 DAYS.
SO, UH, THIS WAS PART OF THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE TEAM, UH, PRESENTED TO YOU ALL, UH, BACK ON JULY 27TH.
AND SO THEY HAD MADE THE RECOMMENDATION OF 90 DAYS AND THAT THE IDEA BEING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT OF THE HOME IS ANCILLARY TO THE MAIN USE, WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL.
UM, DID WE GET ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE PEOPLE THAT ARE, THAT HAVE, THAT ARE OWNERS OF STRS AND IS THREE MONTHS OUT OF 12, A BUSINESS MODEL THAT WORKS WELL, IT OBVIOUSLY WOULD NOT WORK FOR THE ONE ON GOOSEY ROAD SINCE THAT IS BASICALLY A COMMERCIAL VENTURE.
THEY'RE NOT LIVING IN THE HOUSE.
UM, AND I SUSPECT, UH, YORKTOWN COTTAGES WOULD ALSO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I SEEM TO RECALL SOME NEGATIVE FEEDBACK IN THE AUDIENCE FROM THE STR OWNERS WHEN THE TOPIC WAS DISCUSSED, BUT WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING FORMALLY FROM ANY OF THEM.
THE COMPLAINTS AT THIS POINT, CORRECT? NO, THERE'VE BEEN NO COMPLAINTS ABOUT ANY OF THE LEGALLY APPROVED OPERATING STRS, BUT I THINK THIS IS AN AREA WHERE WE SHOULD HAVE A LIMIT AND I THINK IT'S GOOD TO PERHAPS CONTROL THE FLOOD OF PERMITS COMING PAST US.
IF THERE'S NO LIMITS AND IT'S JUST WIDE OPEN PEOPLE SEE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A BUNDLE OF CASH.
THEY'RE GOING TO START INVESTING, BUYING UP PROPERTIES.
AND, OH, I LIVE TWO DOORS AWAY, BUT I WANT TO,
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I WANT TO RENT THIS HOUSE OUT TO THREE TIMES A WEEK FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR.I THINK WE NEED TO CONTROL IT.
I THINK THAT'S THE ONE THING WE CAN DO THAT PUTS A CAP ON HOW MANY STR, UH, ARE GOING TO SHOW UP IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
NO DISAGREE WITH YOU, DOUG, NECESSARILY.
BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE STR OWNERS, UH, YOU KNOW, IS THREE 90 DAYS, UH, THIS NUMBER, ARBITRARY NUMBER, IS IT A BUSINESS MODEL WORKS OR DO WE CANCEL THEM ALL OUT? AND I WONDER, W W WE MIGHT AS WELL JUST GET RID OF STRS THEN IF SO, I'D LIKE TO HEAR SOME, THEY WERE THERE AT THE MEETING AS TIM SUGGESTED THERE WAS SOME, UH, PUSHBACK ON THIS IDEA, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE FROM THEM BEFORE I WOULD PUT A 60 DAY, A 90 DAY LIMIT ON, UH, OUT OF 12 MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR.
UH, AND YOU HAVE A RENTAL FOR A SEASON FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, TOURIST SEASON COULD BE MORE THAN 90 DAYS AROUND HERE.
I'M NOT DEFENDING THEM NECESSARILY, BUT JUST SEEMS KINDA, HUH? GO AHEAD.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT IT.
I RAN OUT SEASONS FOUR MONTHS.
SO 90 DAYS, IT WOULDN'T, YOU'D BE HURTING.
WOULDN'T WORK AS WELL WHEN WORK AS WELL.
WOULD WE APPLY THE SAME THING? WELL, IT WOULD BE UP.
I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, STRS GENERALLY, THERE'S NOTHING MAGICAL ABOUT 90 DAYS THAT JUST HAPPENS TO BE THE NUMBER THAT TAKES YOU OUT.
IT COULD, IF YOU DECIDE TO GO DOWN THIS ROUTE, IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE 180 DAYS, AT LEAST THAT'S LESS THAN HALF OF THE YEAR, YOU KNOW, OR IT COULD BE 120 WHATEVER YOU'RE YOU'RE RIGHT.
I MEAN THE TOURIST SYSTEM, I MEAN, EVEN IF WE, YOU KNOW, THE TOURIST SEASON IS NOT 90 DAYS, YOU'VE GOT BUSH GARDENS, YOU GOT, WE MARRIED GRADUATION, YOU GOT CHRISTMAS, A PEOPLE KIND OF WILLIAMSBURG CHRISTMAS TIME.
SO 90 DAYS, I MEAN THE 90 DAY TOURIST SEASON DOESN'T REALLY SEEM TO FIT, BUT I'M NOT A CONCEPT THAT JUST, YEAH.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER SHOULD BE.
UM, I'M GENERALLY OPPOSED PUTTING LIMITS ON IT, BUT I UNDERSTAND, UH, THE CONCERN.
AND SO YES, I'M, UH, UH, I AGREE THAT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HEAR FROM THE CURRENT OWNERS AND GET SOME FEEDBACK THAT WAY BEFORE I WOULD MOVE EITHER WAY.
IF WE COULD, MR. CHAIRMAN JUST PUT THIS ON HOLD UNTIL WE HEAR SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THIS AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE LABOR TO THE PROCESS, BUT I THINK THERE ARE SOME, SOME WHILE I AGREE IN CENSUS HERE THAT WE NEED SOME MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT IS A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME.
UH, YOU KNOW, AS TIM SAID, SIX MONTHS COULD BE IT'S THAT'S HALF THE YEAR, SO YOU'RE CUTTING IT IN HALF ALREADY.
UH, MAYBE THERE'S A, AN ARGUMENT TO BE MADE SOMEWHERE TO HELP US FIGURE OUT WHERE WE LAND, WHETHER IT'S 120 DAYS OR SIX MONTHS, IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE A REASONABLE, LOGICAL APPROACH, WHATEVER NUMBER COMES UP.
RIGHT NOW I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO A LIMITATION.
I AM IN A RELATIVE BECAUSE WE GOT THE BNBS PUT 108 80 DAYS ON THEM.
THEY'RE GOING TO GO OUT OF BUSINESS.
WELL, CAN I POSE A HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION? UH, YOU SAID THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO REQUIRE THE RESIDENT TO BE ON SITE.
UH, SO THE RESIDENT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, NEXT DOOR ACROSS THE STREET OR DOWN THE STREET OR ACROSS THE BLOCK OR WHATEVER.
UH, IF HE OR SHE IS LIMITED TO 90 DAYS OR WHATEVER, WHAT ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THE HOME FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR? WELL, I THINK IT WOULD, I THINK THAT LIMITATION WOULD TAKE IT OFF THE MARKET IS WHAT THAT WOULD HAVE ACTUALLY HAPPENED IF THEY HAVE BASICALLY NOLA FINE, THE PERSON, THEIR PERSON BE ABLE TO DO SHORT-TERM RENTAL BY DOING A 90 DAY RENTAL FOR WHOLE HOUSE.
I'M I WAS WITH YOU INITIALLY ABOUT THE IDEA THAT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD PUT A LIMIT ON IT, BUT IF, IF, IF YOU HEAR FROM THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL FOLKS AND SAY, HEY, SIX MONTHS IS WE NEVER GET MORE THAN OUT OF A YEAR.
AND I, I WOULD SAY, OKAY, LET'S DO IT.
UH, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S CONTINUOUS SIX MONTHS, IF IT'S LIKE, WELL, I THINK THAT'S A SIX WEEKS SPEAK AT 6 52.
I THINK IT'S, I THINK WHAT IT MEANS IS, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, UNDER YOUR NUMBER OF DAYS, IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE SIX CONTINUOUS MONTHS OR 90 CONTINUOUS DAYS, OR JUST 90 DAYS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
IT'S 90 RENTALS OR HOWEVER MANY DAYS THEY SAID SIX MONTHS IS MORE THAN I EVER WOULD EVER IMAGINE TO GET OUT OF AN ENTIRE YEAR.
AND I THINK THE THINKING BEHIND THOSE THAT HAVE 104 IS YOU HAVE LIKE A WEEKEND FOR EACH OF THE 52 WEEKS OF THE YEAR.
YOU KNOW, I WAS SORT OF RIDING ON THAT.
THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THAT UP.
I HAD TO TALK WITH THE PLANNING DIRECTOR OF WILLIAMSBURG TO FIND THE LOGIC.
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GOING TO BASICALLY TABLE THAT TO SEE IF WE GET MORE INFORMATION ON HOW WE CAN, WHAT THE LIMITS.WHAT'S THE FEASIBILITY OF PUTTING LIMITS ON NUMBER OF RENTALS.
SO I CAN'T SEE LIMITING THE NUMBER OF ROOMS. RIGHT.
UH, NUMBER SEVEN, LIABILITY INSURANCE SHOULD STR OPERATORS BE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN LIABILITY INSURANCE COVERAGE.
AND IF SO, WHAT SHOULD THE MINIMUM COVERAGE BE? I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION WAS A MINIMUM OF A $1 MILLION LIABILITY.
WELL, THAT WAS THE NUMBER THAT WAS THROWN OUT.
UH, THE ONLY, THE ONLY LOCALITY THAT I COULD FIND IN VIRGINIA THAT HAS AN INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS, CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG, WHICH HAS A VERY RESTRICTIVE ORDINANCE, BUT THEY ONLY REQUIRE $500,000 OF COVERAGE.
VIRGINIA BEACH, UH, DOES REQUIRE A MILLION.
I SAID, POINT IN THERE TOO, WHEN YOU STARTED VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA BEACH, THEY REQUIRED A MILLION DOLLARS OF LIABILITY COVERAGE IS IT'S OUTSIDE OF VIRGINIA.
IT SEEMS TO BE A LOT MORE COMMON REQUIREMENT.
AND PARTICULARLY WE HAVE LOTS OF EXAMPLES, BUT IN ALMOST EVERY CASE IT'S, IT'S, UH, THE MAXIMUM OR SORRY, THE MINIMUM COVERAGE IS, IS HALF A MILLION DOLLARS, WHO'S IT PROTECTING? WELL, I KIND OF HAD THE SAME QUESTION.
IT PROTECTS THE GUESTS, UH, AND IT PROTECTS THE PROPERTY OWNER.
I'M NOT SURE HOW IT PROTECTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, UNLESS, I MEAN, THE, THE CONCERN THAT WAS RAISED WAS, UH, SPECIFICALLY FROM QUEENS LAKE, IF, IF YOU HAD A GUEST THERE AND THEY WENT OUT AND THEIR KIDS WERE GOT HURT ON THE PLAYGROUND OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WITH QUEENS LAKE QUEENSLAND COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION WOULD BE LIABLE FOR THAT OR HAVE ON ANY COMMON AREA OR COMMON FACILITIES.
SO I THINK THAT WAS THE SCENARIO.
I BELIEVE THAT WOULDN'T COVER THAT AREA ANYWAY.
WELL, I WOULDN'T THINK SO EITHER.
UH, IT SEEMS TO ME THE ONLY THING THIS LIABILITY COVERAGE COVERS IS THE CARE FOR THE PERSON WHO OWNS A HOUSE AND PEOPLE WHO ARE RENTING THE HOUSE.
AND THAT'S A PRIVATE AGREEMENT.
I MEAN, I THINK IT, YEAH, IT PROTECTS THE OWNER AND IT PROTECTS THE RENTER WHO MIGHT HAVE AN ACCIDENT OR SOMETHING.
NO, NO, THE NUDES COVER, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE EFFECT ON THE DIDN'T.
HE ALSO SAY THAT ON THE WEBSITE, THEY CAN, UH, THE, THE RENTER CAN OPT FOR SOME EXTRA INSURANCE OR SOMETHING.
DID I HEAR SOMEONE SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT MS. VAN CLEAVE, I THINK TALKED ABOUT VRVO WHERE THEY CHARGE $59 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT A NIGHT.
I WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO FOCUS ON, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT WE DON'T CONTROL, BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE A TOURIST HOME THAT JUST HAS ITS OWN PLATFORM.
IT DOESN'T EVEN, IT DOESN'T EVEN ADVERTISE ON AIRBNB.
AND WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE IN THE COUNTY.
UH, SO WE DON'T WANT TO RELY ON THOSE PLATFORMS TO REGULATE WHATEVER WE DO.
I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND EITHER AN OWNER OR A BUSINESS OPERATOR, NOT HAVING LIABILITY INSURANCE.
I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING WHO WOULD, WHO WOULD NOT DO IT, BUT WHAT DO I KNOW? I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT COSTS A HALF A MILLION, A MILLION POLICY'S NOT TREMENDOUSLY EXPENSIVE AT THE SAME TIME.
WHY ARE WE DICTATE DICTATE I'M HERE YET? I DON'T KNOW WHAT EFFECT IT HAS ON THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY OR THEIR NEIGHBORS, OR, YOU KNOW, YOUR COUNTY.
I DON'T SEE THE BENEFIT TO THEM.
YOU DESTROY YOUR HOUSE, IT'S, UH, IT'S ON YOU.
AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE INSURANCE AND YOU LIVE IT.
WELL, THERE IS A PUBLIC, I GUESS YOU COULD ARGUE.
THERE'S A PUBLIC HEALTH ASPECT.
AS FAR AS THE, THE RENTER, YOU KNOW, KNOWS THAT IF THEY GET INJURED OR SOMETHING THAT THERE'S INSURANCE OUT THERE TO COVER OR WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM GETTING IT, I'M JUST COVERING ANYTHING.
WHETHER THE ONES DICTATING, DICTATING, DICTATING THEM.
I'M NOT TAKING A POSITION EITHER WAY.
I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK THROUGH THE LOGIC WITH IT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SEARCHING FOR, WITH YOU ALL THE LOGIC BEHIND.
UM, SO THERE IS, I MEAN, THERE IS THAT ASPECT OF IT THAT IT PROTECTS THE REPS FOR ME.
LIKE WE WOULD BE GETTING INVOLVED IN DICTATING TO THE OWNER, HOW MUCH, VERY SPECIFIC THINGS THEY HAVE TO DO AS A, AS A BUSINESS, YOU HAVE TO DO THIS AS A BUSINESS, AS A BUSINESS.
SO WE WOULD INSIST ON CERTAIN ELEMENTS, FIRE, AND SAFETY REQUIREMENTS THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING, ET CETERA, LIABILITY INSURANCE SEEMS LIKE A NO BRAINER.
WHY DON'T WE DO THAT FOR A GAS STATIONS? WE SHOULD.
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YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS OVERREACH MR. CHAIRMAN, AND THIS IS GETTING TO THE BUSINESS ASPECTS OF IT.AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S OUR ROLE HERE.
I THINK MR. CRINER SAID IT WELL WHEN HE SAID, AND BY THE WAY, I AGREE WITH YOU, UH, THAT THIS DOESN'T HAVE AN EFFECT ON THE COMMUNITY WHATSOEVER.
SO I KNOW TIM SAID, THERE'S AN ARGUMENT TO BE MADE AND IT'S REALLY, IT'S THIN THINLY PUT TOGETHER.
I DON'T THINK THE COMMUNITY IS INVOLVED IN THIS AND I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYONE NOT HAVING IT.
AND IF YOU DIDN'T, IT'S YOUR LOSS.
AND IF YOU'RE A RENTER AND YOU CHOOSE NOT TO GET ANY AS A, AS AN OPTION, IT'S ON YOUTUBE.
SO I, I DON'T THINK THIS IS OUR ROLE HERE.
IT'D BE DICTATING HOW TO RUN A BUSINESS, WHETHER YOU SHOULD HAVE INSURANCE FOR THE GAS STATION FOR THE, IF IT BURNS DOWN, OR I DON'T THINK THAT'S OUR ROLE HERE IS COMPETING.
I THINK THE RE THE REASON WHY, UH, THE RESIDENTS WANTED THIS WAS TO PUT ANOTHER, UH, HURDLE TO TRY.
AND, AND IF THE PERSON IS GOING TO DO A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, HE'S GOT TO DO CERTAIN THINGS AND GETTING LIABILITY.
INSURANCE IS ANOTHER, IT'S A COST.
AND HE IS, WE'RE FORCING HIM TO DO THAT.
AND THAT MAY DISCOURAGE THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO USE THE SHORT TERM RENTAL AS AN INVESTMENT PROPERTY.
UH, AND SO THEREFORE THEY IT'S AN ADDITIONAL COST AND THEY HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT IN THEIR BUSINESS MODEL.
BUT ANY TO ME, YOU WANT TO HAVE LIABILITY INSURANCE.
I MEAN, YOU GOT TO PROTECT YOURSELF.
WE ALL HAVE LIABILITY, OR I WOULD THINK ALL OF US HAVE LIABILITY INSURANCE FOR OUR HOUSE, BECAUSE IF WE HAVE SOMEONE COME IN THE HOUSE, A WORKER AND HE TRIPS ON SOMETHING, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T TELL HIM THAT THAT WAS THERE.
ARE WE TALKING, JUST CURIOUS, WE TALKING HERE LIABILITY INSURANCE AS A HOMEOWNER LIABILITY INSURANCE, OR IS IT BUSINESS LIABILITY INSURANCE BUSINESS LIABILITY.
BECAUSE I DID FIND OUT MY HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE POLICY, MY LIVING IN THE HOUSE, IT COVERS THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
I CAN RENT OUT IN THE MASTER BEDROOM AND IT WOULD COVER ME AS THAT RENTAL WOULD BE COVERED.
MAYBE NOT ALL INSURANCES DO THAT, BUT MY HOMEOWNERS WILL DO THAT.
SO I, YEAH, SO I THINK THE CONSENSUS IS NO ONE, THE LIABILITY INSURANCE FIVE OUT OF SIX ENCOURAGED, BUT NOT ENCOURAGED IF IT COMES UP OR A GUIDELINE, BUT IT'S NOT A, YOU GOT NOTHING STOPS US AS A COMMISSION TO ASK THE APPLICANT, DO YOU HAVE LIABILITY INSURANCE THAT WILL COVER YOU OR YOUR, AND WE TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION.
NUMBER EIGHT IS ZONING ENFORCEMENT FEES, PENALTIES, RENEWAL, AND ET CETERA.
I FORGET ALL THE SPECIFICS, BUT I DO REMEMBER THE FEES SUGGESTED THEY BE INCREASED TO COVER THE TOTAL COSTS OF THE STAFF.
YOU'RE CURRENTLY WHAT 410 IS THAT WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW? I USE PERMIT.
IT'S NOW A $560 PER FITBIT, EXCEPT FOR HOME OCCUPATIONS AND ACCESSORY APARTMENTS.
IT WAS, IT WAS INCREASED JULY 1ST.
IT'S BEEN $450 FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
UM, BUT YEAH, JULY FORRESTER WENT UP TO 506 AND OF COURSE WE ALL KNOW THAT IT NEVER COVERS THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND EFFORT THAT IT DOESN'T EVEN COVER THE ADVERTISING.
IT DOESN'T EVEN COVER THAT ADVERTISING.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAD RECOMMENDED TO THE BOARD FEW YEARS AGO THAT THEY LOOK AT CHANGING THEIR FEES TO AT LEAST DO A BIT COME CLOSER TO COVERING THE ADVERTISING COST TO THE TAXPAYERS.
UM, BUT THEY WERE NOT INTERESTED IN THAT.
AND SO, UH, NOTHING EVER, NOTHING EVER CAME WITH THAT, WHAT'S THE AVERAGE TODAY FOR ADVERTISEMENT.
WE HAD COMPILED ALL THAT INFORMATION AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS HOW MUCH WE WERE EFFECTIVELY LOSING ON EACH APPLICATION, UM, AND THE DAILY PRESS AD RATES HAVE GONE UP A WHOLE LOT WHILE IT'S ARE UNTIL JULY, YOU KNOW, OUR APPLICATION FEAST STAYED THE SAME FOR DECADES.
THEN THE ARGUMENT IS, IS HOW, HOW ARE WE PROTECTING THE COMMUNITY BY RAISING THE FEES RATHER THAN DISCOURAGING? YEAH, NO, THEIR CONCERN IS NOT ADVERTISING, UH, THE AIR CONS THERE.
UH, IF YOU READ THE DOCUMENT THAT MR. HOWELL SENT OUT, RIGHT, UH, THAT I EMAILED TO YOU, UH, IT TALKS ABOUT COVERING, UH, COSTS OF, OF INCREASED ENFORCEMENT, UM, CAUSE UH, UNDER DISCUSSION TOPICS, WE KIND OF LUMPED ALL THESE THINGS TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY ALL KIND OF, UH, THEY'RE ALL KIND OF, UH,
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GO HAND IN HAND, UH, WHERE THEY TALK ABOUT, UH, HAVING STR OWNERS COME BACK AND GET THEIR, YOU KNOW, GET THEIR USE PERMITS RENEWED EVERY TWO OR THREE YEARS.AND, UM, AND THEY TALK ABOUT, UH, UH, INCREASED PENALTIES FOR BAD ACTORS, BASICALLY PEOPLE WHO VIOLATE, UH, THE ORDINANCE, UH, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO, YEAH, I THINK THEY WERE ENVISIONING A NEW DEMANDS BEING PLACED ON ZONING CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THAT THOSE, UH, BURDENS SHOULD NOT BE BORN BY THE TAXPAYERS, BUT SHOULD IT BE BORNE BY THE STR OWNER OPERATORS THEMSELVES? WHAT IS THE PENALTY TODAY FOR AN ILLEGAL OPERATOR? WELL, REVOCATION OF YOUR PERMIT FOR STARTERS? WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S A PENALTY, IT'S NOT A COST, BUT, UH, IT CAN'T, IT'S UNLIKELY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GIVEN A CHANCE, I'M SURE TO REMEDIATE THE SITUATION IN A, YOU KNOW, 60 DAYS, 90 DAYS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THREE OR FOURTH TIME THEN, BUT I MEAN THERE ARE THERE PENALTIES SPELLED OUT IN THE CODE, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, NOTICE OF VIOLATION GETS SENT, UH, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE LEGAL ACTION.
UH, IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN JUST, YOU KNOW, HAND THEM A BILL FOR, YOU KNOW, $500 OR WHATEVER IT'S, YOU KNOW, GOT TO GO TO COURT AND YOU ALL KNOW THIS IS A DOLLAR PENALTY TO BE IMPOSED THE COURT PROPOSES IT.
UM, SO, AND I REALLY, I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE TAKEN ANY OF THESE TO COURT.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE IN AT LEAST ONE, ONE OR TWO CASES I CAN RECALL IN RECENT, WELL, NOT TERRIBLY RECENT YEARS, UH, TAKING SOME ILLEGAL SHORT TERM RENTALS TO COURT AND GOTTEN INJUNCTIONS AGAINST THEM.
UM, IF MONETARY PENALTIES ARE ALSO HANDED DOWN, UH, BUT THE COURTS, AT LEAST ON A FIRST OFFENSE, 10, 10, NOT TO, TO WEIGH HEAVILY, UNLESS THERE HAS BEEN A RECORD OF AGREGIOUS, UM, UH, UM, AND, AND WILLFUL VIOLATION.
THAT IS TO SAY, UH, SOMEONE WHO IS SIMPLY BRUSHED ASIDE VIOLATION NOTICES AND, AND ATTEMPTS BY THE COUNTY TO BRING SOMEONE INTO COMPLIANCE.
WE CURRENTLY DON'T CHARGE ANYBODY ELSE FOR THESE INSPECTIONS FOR OTHER USE PERMITS.
DO WE? YEAH, THERE'S, UH, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN THOSE TWO EXCEPTIONS, THE HOME OCCUPATIONS, ACCESSORY APARTMENTS, THESE PERMIT FEE IS THE SAME FOR EVERYTHING WITH ONE EXCEPTION.
UH, IF YOU'VE GOT LARGER PARCELS, UH, THEN THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL, I THINK IT'S $10 PER ACRE FOR EVERY ACRE OVER FIVE, UH, UP TO A MAXIMUM, I THINK, OF $2,500.
BUT NO, THERE ARE NO, UH, THERE ARE NO SPECIAL FEES FOR, FOR USE PERMITS FOR OTHER USES.
I'M NOT SURE WE COULD CHARGE ENOUGH TO COVER THE FEE OF THE ZONING INSPECTOR, HAVING TO GO OUT EVERY SO OFTEN TO CHECK A SITE THOUGH.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD EFFECTIVELY KILL THIS SHORT TERM RENTALS OVERNIGHT BECAUSE WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO CHARGE TO PAY FOR THAT WOULD BE OUTRAGEOUS.
BUT, UM, I THINK IT GETS THEM INVOLVED WITH THE WHAT'S THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENT.
WHAT SHOULD THE GOVERNMENT PAY FOR AND DO AS PART OF THE GOVERNMENT? I MEAN, THESE FACILITIES ARE BEING TAXED, COULD GET SOMETHING BY THE TAX DOLLARS IN THE BUSINESS TO X AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF.
SO THERE'S MORE TO IT THAN JUST THE THEORY.
I'M NOT SURE GOVERNMENT IS EVER IN THE, IN THE BUSINESS OF MAKING MONEY OR AT LEAST BREAKING, EVEN WHEN THEY HAVE FEES OR ANYTHING ELSE GOING ON.
I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE A LARGER HOUSE THAN I HAVE, THEY DON'T, WE DON'T, YOU DON'T, OTHER THAN A TAX RATE, YOU PAY A, YOU'RE NOT PAYING MORE MONEY TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
IF THEY HAVE TO COME AND CLIMB UP THREE STORIES TO PUT YOUR HOUSE OUT OF FIRE, THEY TRIED THAT I GET THE SAME SERVICE, WHETHER I HAVE A THREE-STORY HOME, ONE STORY, I GET THE SAME SERVICE.
SO YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE RIGHT.
WHAT DO YOU EXPECT OUT OF GOVERNMENT TO PUT YOUR HOUSE THAT PUT THE FIRE OUT? WHETHER IT'S A LARGE ONE OR WE'RE ALL PAYING THE SAME AND WHETHER YOUR SAME BRAND FIRE DEPARTMENT OR VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT, THAT'S NOT PAYING INTO THAT.
THEY HAVE TO GO AND PUT YOUR FIRE OUT.
I WOULDN'T BE AGAINST RAISING THE FEE.
YOU KNOW, 400 IS, IS NOT A LOT OF MONEY.
UH, BUT I DON'T THINK WE COULD COVER ALL THESE OTHER ITEMS ENOUGH TO MAKE A DENT IN ANYTHING.
WELL, I WAS TALKING ABOUT FILING FEES, BUT THEY TALK ABOUT OTHER FEES IN HERE.
THEY TALK IN THE WRITE-UP ABOUT, UH, UH, HAVING USED PERMITS FOR A TERM OF ONE YEAR AFTERWARDS, REGISTRATION WAS RENEWED FOR A FEE OF $250.
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ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS, THE COUNTY, UH, I WILL SAY THERE ARE A LOT OF LOCALITIES IN VIRGINIA WHERE YOU HAVE TO GO IN AND BASICALLY RENEW YOUR PERMIT.UH, EVERY YEAR PAY $150, 200, UH, THOSE IN THOSE CASES, UH, HOWEVER, THE SDRS ARE PERMITTED ADMINISTRATIVELY.
THEY DON'T GO THROUGH A USE PERMIT PROCESS.
THEY DON'T GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.
YOU FILL OUT YOUR FORM, YOU CHECK EVERY BOX, YOU HAND THEM A CHECK, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE GOOD TO GO FOR A YEAR.
UM, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT USE PERMITS THAT, UH, REQUIRE, UH, OR SORRY.
HOW AM I STR IS IT REQUIRED USE PERMIT IN EVERY CASE IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, MR. CHAIRMAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE FEES ARE PRETTY MUCH SET BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE PENALTIES ARE SET BY THE COURT.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT MORE WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE.
I AGREE, MR. PEANUT, ANYTHING DOWN THERE? NO, I AGREE WITH THAT.
I THINK THEN THE CONSENSUS IS THAT A ZONING FEES KIND OF STAY AS THEY ARE, AND THERE'S NOT, MAYBE NOT EVEN OUR PREROGATIVE TO CHANGE THE FEES INVOLVED.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? I HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT I THOUGHT EXPECTED TO SEE ON HERE.
AND DIDN'T UM, SO ONE OF THEM WAS THE PRIOR RESIDENCE ON THE PROPERTY BEFORE YOU COULD APPLY FOR A PERMIT.
AND THEN THE SECOND ONE WAS THIS WHOLE AGREEMENT OR DISAGREEMENT ON THE NEIGHBORS.
HOW, HOW MUCH SHOULD THAT WEIGH INTO, UM, WHETHER A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS ACCEPTED TACKLE ONE OF THOSE AT A TIME, THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS, I THINK IT WAS LIKE TWO YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
ONE RECOMMENDATION WAS SUGGESTED, SEEMED TO, IT SEEMED TO ME TO BE A LEGITIMATE REQUEST.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM JUST JUMPING INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD, BUYING A PROPERTY AND IMMEDIATELY FLIPPING IT FOR RENTAL PURPOSES WITHOUT EVER BEING NEIGHBORS.
THAT TO ME SOUNDED LIKE A PRETTY APPROPRIATE, UH, WAY OF CONTROLLING TOO WIDE, A SPREAD.
I THINK VIRGINIA BEACH GOT INTO THAT PROBLEM OF PEOPLE WERE JUST DESCENDING ON THE AREA AND BUYING A PROPERTY AND IMMEDIATELY FLIPPING INTO RENTAL.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO, TO YOUR TIMELINE.
IT'S A SMALL TIME TO BE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD ANYWAYS.
AND YOU WANT TO, YOU WANT TO GET ALONG WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS AND ALL THAT.
YOU GOT TO HAVE SOME SKIN IN THE GAME AND YOU GOT TO LIVE THERE.
AND AT LEAST FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME TO PREVENT SOMEONE LIKE MR HALLWAY SAID, PURCHASING A HOUSE.
AND THEN THE FOLLOWING WEEK APPLY FOR YOUR USE PERMIT FOR A RENTAL.
AND THEN YOU GOT, YOU HAVE NO CONNECTION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS, WHOSE LIVES THEY'RE NOT OPPOSED TO IT.
DON'T YOU HAVE THE SAME THING WITH LONG-TERM RENTALS.
YOU JUST COME IN AND BUY THEM.
AND THEN THEY DO A LONG-TERM RENTAL.
YOU CAN YOUR PURCHASE LIKE A HOUSE AND THEN YOU LEASE IT FOR THREE YEARS.
BUT AS LONG AS THEY KEEP IT AS A RESIDENT, RIGHT? RESIDENTIAL CARE, RESIDENTIAL CHARACTERISTICS, DO WE REALLY CARE? OH, OH ABOUT, OKAY.
LONG-TERM IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO SHORT TERM RENTALS.
NO, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY SHOULD KNOW THEIR NEIGHBORS AND THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO AFFECT IT AND CHANGE IT.
LIKE I SAID, EVERY ONE SHORT TERM RENTAL CHANGES THE FACE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S JUST THE WAY THE LONG-TERM RENTAL.
GLEN HAS DIFFERENT IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IF YOU'RE RENTING A HOUSE FOR THREE YEARS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU'RE BECOMING A THROUGH THAT.
I JUST WENT IN AND I BOUGHT IT.
I DON'T HAVE TO LIVE IN THE PROPERTY.
NOW I CAN LIVE SIX BLOCKS AWAY.
I CAN COME IN AND BUY THIS HOUSE.
LIVE SIX BLOCKS AWAY, NEVER AROUND THAT NEIGHBORS AT ALL.
AND YET YOU'RE TELLING ME I HAVE TO WAIT TWO YEARS BEFORE I CAN DO A SHORT-TERM REEL.
I'M NOT PART OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
EVEN AFTER TWO YEARS, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU.
MY NEIGHBORS ARE THREE DOORS DOWN FROM ME.
I, THEY COULD PROBABLY BE THERE FOR A YEAR AND I'D NEVER EVEN MET THEM YET.
THAT'S HOW WE ARE NOT CLOSE KNIT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY'RE JUST NOT, YOU KNOW, IN FACT BAD STORIES, BUT ANYWAY, THEY CAN BE DOWN HERE AND YOU WOULDN'T KNOW HIM.
WE DON'T KNOW EACH OTHER'S NEIGHBORS.
MOST OF THE TIME, I KNOW MY NEIGHBORS THOUGH.
I KNOW MY ONES IMMEDIATELY AROUND ME, FOUR HOUSES, KNOW THE ONES THAT HALF A BLOCK DOWN VERY SLOWLY.
WELL, LET'S GO BACK TO THE FAMILIAR GOOSY ROAD EXAMPLE.
UH, YOU KNOW, THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY WITH
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THE INTENT OF OFFERING IT AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.UH, SO THEY JUST HAVE TO SIT ON IT FOR TWO YEARS AND NOT, AND NOT RENT IT OUT.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE, THAT HOUSE HAS A SPECIAL, I MEAN, WE CAN ALWAYS LEAVE AN OPEN END, LIKE, OKAY, THAT HOUSE IS ALL BY ITSELF.
DOESN'T HAVE NEIGHBORS AND YOU CAN, THERE'S A WAY TO HANDLE.
BUT IF WE HAVE A TWO YEAR MANDATORY TWO YEAR WAITING PERIOD, THEN YOU'VE GOT NO
ALL THESE SHORT-TERM RENTALS, LET'S JUST FLIP EVERY HOUSE.
WELL, I WOULDN'T TOTALLY BE AGAINST THAT AS A MATTER OF RIGHT.
I WOULD NOT BE AGAINST THAT AS A MATTER WITH SOME, WITH SOME MINOR THINGS HERE, BUT WE'RE NOT A TOURIST COUNTY.
I MEAN, IT'S DIFFERENT IN NAGS HEAD WHERE EVERY FOUR OUT OF FIVE HOUSES AS A RENTAL HOUSE, I HAVE RENTAL HOUSES.
THERE'S SOME DISAGREEMENT WITH THAT.
IF YOU LIVE IN YORKTOWN, REALLY? YES.
WELL, YES, YOUR KID IS CLEARLY, BUT YEAH.
I MEAN KEEPING, I MEAN, AS SHE SETS, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH AT A TOURIST COUNTY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT 11 ACTIVE SHORT-TERM RENTALS RIGHT NOW IN THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, OUT OF 20 PLUS THOUSAND HOMES, RIGHT? IT'S A TINY, TINY, TINY RIPPLE IN A HUGE OCEAN.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF THE YORKTOWN CLUSTER, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH SCATTERED AROUND HOW THEY HAVE BEEN FOR AS FOOT POINTED OUT.
THEY WERE HAVING FOR UNSUCCESSFUL APPLICATIONS IN QUEEN'S LAKE THAT WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND, AND WERE DENIED.
UH, BUT THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH THEY'RE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN YEAH, GLEN, IF YOU CAN FIND FOUR PEOPLE THAT AGREED THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE IT, AND I'M YOUR ONE HOLDING IT UP, I'LL GO ALONG WITH IT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE TWO YEAR DON'T LET ME HOLD ANYBODY.
IF THERE'S ENOUGH ENERGY HERE TO WANT TO DO IT.
IF WE DON'T THEN DISCUSSING IT, IT'S NOT GOING TO REALLY
I MEAN, THAT'S HEAVILY, BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN, CERTAIN, CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE IT MAY WORK WITH SOMEONE NOT BEING THERE.
IT COULD BE THAT SOMEONE WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, WIDOWED IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS WHEN THEY WERE THERE AND THEY NEED THE INCOME.
I'M NOT GOING TO BE THE ONE TO SAY, NO, YOU CAN'T RUN A ROOM.
YOU KNOW, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW THE CIRCUMSTANCES.
AND MATTER OF FACT, ONE OF THE LADIES, I THINK IN QUEEN'S LAKE YEARS AGO, IT WAS A SIMILAR, SIMILAR.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT UNHEARD OF, AND I DON'T AGREE.
I'D RATHER MAKE THEM, I'D RATHER ERR, ON THE SIDE OF GIVING PEOPLE MORE RIGHTS THAN TAKING AWAY.
I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER.
I THINK THE NEIGHBORS HAVE RIGHTS.
SO ON THE SIDE OF THE NEIGHBORS AND, AND WE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
WHEN THE NEIGHBORS COME UP AND TALK ABOUT IT, THEN THAT IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WEIGHT.
BECAUSE IF THEY FEEL THAT THEY'RE GOING TO NOT HAVE THAT CONFIDENCE, THAT, THAT, UH, THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL MAKES IT SAFE, THAT IT CHANGES THE CHARACTER OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHAT I HAVE SEEN WITH ALL THAT, UH, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD, WE DON'T KNOW CORRECT.
ONE FINAL THOUGHT ON THIS, THE PROCESS IS THERE FOR EVERYONE, RIGHT? YOU CAN CONTACT YOUR PLANNING COMMISSIONER.
YOU GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUBLIC HEARING.
YOU GET ONE AT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, YOU GET TO ELECT, UH, YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS.
THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER WAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE, UH, TO MAKE YOUR POINT KNOWN TO US, TO THE BOARD, TO YOUR NEIGHBORS, PETITIONS COMING UP HERE, TELLING US HOW YOU FEEL.
I THINK WE'VE GOT ALL THAT AREA COVERED.
UH, I THINK THE RIGHTS OF THE CITIZENS ARE WELL-REPRESENTED HERE IN THE COUNTY.
AND I THINK THE PROCESS IS, IS SUFFICIENT FOR US TO HEAR WHAT WE NEED TO HEAR AN UNDER CONSENT.
TAKE IT ON TO MR. PETERSON'S POINT.
I KNOW I'VE SAID IT BEFORE, BUT I'LL SAY IT AGAIN.
UH, IN EVERY SINGLE CASE OF AN STR HAS BEEN APPROVED, THE ONE COMMON DENOMINATOR WAS THAT THERE WAS NO SIGNIFICANT OPPOSITION.
EVERY CASE OF ONE HAS BEEN DENIED OR WITHDRAWN IN THE FACE OF THE BEING DENIED.
THE ONE COMMON DENOMINATOR WAS THAT THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT NEIGHBORHOOD OPPOSITION.
RIGHT? IT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH LOT SIZE OR DENSITY OR ANY OF THE TRADITIONAL THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT IN ZONING.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD OPPOSITION OR SOMETHING.
AND I THINK IT'S BECAUSE WE TOOK INTO ACCOUNT.
RIGHT? YOU SAID IT'S AN OPPOSITION.
AND THAT WAS A MAJOR FACTOR FOR US.
WHAT WAS THE, YOU HAD ONE OTHER, I THINK IT WAS, THAT WAS THE POINT.
IT WAS A AGREEMENT OF THE NEIGHBORS.
DOES THERE HAVE TO BE AN AGREEMENT OF THE NEIGHBORS IF SOMEBODY
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BRINGS AN STR PROPOSAL FORWARD? OR ARE WE JUST LOOKING FOR OPPOSITION? NO, I MEAN, WE'VE HEARD, I UNDERSTAND.WE'VE HEARD FROM BOTH SIDES, PEOPLE THAT HAVE SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S OKAY AND PEOPLE WILL SAY, NO, IT'S NOT.
SOMETIMES THAT'S PRETTY 50, 50 OR 60 GUIDELINE TO THE CODY EVALUATING STRS IS YOU SHOULD HAVE YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD RESPONSE.
THE ONE THAT SAID, UH, I REMEMBER WE HAD ONE WHERE, UM, HE HAD, UH, THE PEOPLE OF GROUNDED HIM ALL CAME AND SAID THAT THEY HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH IT AND EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT THE, UM, THE APPLICATION, THE ROUTES, UH, THERE WAS, UM, ADEQUATE ROADS.
THERE WERE, UH, WHAT'S THE DENSITY OF THE, IT WAS THE ONLY STR IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT THE KEY THING WAS THAT HIS NEIGHBORS, THE OTHER ONES, THE OTHER ONES ALL SUPPORTED IT.
AND THAT, TO ME, WHEN I VOTED, THAT WAS THE KEY THING THAT I SAID, HE'S GOT IT COVERED.
HE'S GOT A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH HIS NEIGHBORS.
THEY DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO DISTURB THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, AND AS FAR AS THE, YOU MENTIONED THE STAFF, UH, WHEN SOMEBODY COMES TO OUR OFFICE TO TALK ABOUT FOR A USE PERMIT, OPERATE A TOURIST HOME OR A BNB, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE TELL THEM IS WE NEED TO TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBORS.
AND IF YOU HAVE AN HOA, YOU NEED TO TALK TO THAT.
UH, IF YOU HAVE A COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION LIKE QUEENS LAKE, UH, NOT A FORMAL HOA, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO TALK TO THEM.
UH, SOME PEOPLE TAKE THAT ADVICE.
SOME PEOPLE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T MANDATE IT.
WE CAN'T FORCE THEM, UH, TO, TO TALK TO THEIR NEIGHBORS.
BUT, UH, IT'S, IT'S SOUND ADVICE.
AND WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD CASES WHERE PEOPLE SUBMITTED WITH THEIR APPLICATIONS, YOU KNOW, SIGNED LETTERS FROM ALL THEIR NEIGHBORS SAYING THAT THEY WERE SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
UM, BUT YEAH, THAT'S, THAT IS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE, THAT WE COUNSEL IN A PROSPECTIVE APPLICANTS, UM, FOR REALLY NOT JUST AT STR AS WELL, REALLY ANYTHING BUT PARTICULARLY SOMEBODY WHO IS IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE A HOME OCCUPATION OR SHORT-TERM RENT.
SO, SO I THINK DOUG, OUR HISTORY HERE HAS BEEN, WE, WE DO TAKE THE TOTALITY OF THE NEIGHBORS INTO CONSIDERATION HERE AND THE, AND WHETHER IT'S WHATEVER MEANS IT IS WHETHER RIDING IT, I GET PHONE CALLS.
I WAS CHAIRMAN, I GET PHONE CALLS FROM THE ATTORNEY REPRESENTED APPLICATION FIRST, RIGHT? THEY'RE THE FIRST TO CALL IT AND IT'S THE CITIZENS AND THEY'RE CALLING ME, I DON'T WANT THIS.
THIS IS WHAT I'D WANT, OR I SUPPORT IT OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS, OR I'M GOING TO EMAIL YOU A LIST OF, UH, YOU KNOW, 30 HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE AGAINST IT.
SO I'M GETTING HAMMERED THERE.
AND THEN WE SEE THEM HERE AND THE CITIZENS ARE HEARD, IN MY OPINION, WE'RE NOT REMOVING THE POWER LIKE MR. CRINER SAID, TAKING AWAY SOMEONE'S RIGHTS.
UM, UH, IS DON'T, DON'T REALLY WANT TO GO AND GIVE MORE RIGHTS TO THE CITIZENS THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE THEM.
AND THE PROCESS IS ALREADY THERE FOR THEM.
SO, UH, CREATING AN IMBALANCE MORE THAN THE APPLICANT TO ME IS, UH, SOMETHING I WOULD, DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN A ROAD.
I THINK WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR WAS INPUT TO THE COUNTY ON WHAT ARE THE GUIDELINES OR THE RULES THAT WE WANT, WE WOULD WANT TO SEE IN PLACE.
AND A GUIDELINE WOULD BE STRONG CITIZENS OR NEIGHBORS SUPPORT.
I THINK THAT THAT'S ALL I'M SUGGESTING THAT SHOULD BE DOCUMENTED.
I THINK WE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION EVERY TIME WE GET ONE OF THESE THINGS, I'M CERTAINLY IMPACTED BY THAT IF EVERYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T WANT IT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO FORCE IT, YOU KNOW? CORRECT.
I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COMES OUT OF THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WERE PUT IN THE CODE, UH, AND IT REALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TECHNICAL ADVISORS TO THE COMMISSION ON THE BOARD, SO THAT DOESN'T ENTER INTO OUR RECOMMENDATION, BUT IT DOES RECOMMEND IT LEGITIMATELY DOES ENTER INTO Y'ALL'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND YOU KNOW, THE BOARD'S ULTIMATE DECISION.
UM, MR. CROSS, HAVE WE GOT WHAT YOU NEED AT THE MOMENT? YEAH, I, I HAD MET THAT A NUMBER NINE.
IT WOULD JUST BE SORT OF LIKE AN OTHER CASH.
CAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF SMALLER ITEMS THAT WERE OUT OF, OR WERE INCLUDED IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT, THAT THE TEAM GAVE US.
YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, REGULATING TOURIST HOMES, UH, AS WE WOULD HOTELS.
AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED.
UM, UH, THE PREVIOUS THING, WHAT, THE ONE THING I DELIBERATELY LEFT OFF IS SIGNS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A DEAD ISSUE.
I THINK THE SUPREME COURT HAS ANSWERED THAT QUESTION FOR US.
IT KEEPS COMING UP, BUT IT'S, I REALLY DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY LATITUDE THERE AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE JUST WENT THROUGH THE ARDUOUS PROCESS OF REWRITING OUR ZONING CORD CODE TO COMPLY WITH THAT SUPREME COURT RULING.
SO I THINK OUR HOT HANDS ARE PRETTY
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WELL.MA'AM JUST, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS.
SO WHEN SOMEBODY APPLIES FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL, WHAT OBLIGATIONS DO THEY HAVE TO THE NEIGHBORS? HOW DO THEY NOTIFY THE NEIGHBORS? THEY DO NOT NOTICE WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NOTIFICATIONS.
WE SEND, UH, LETTERS TO ALL THE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA.
AND THERE ARE CERTAIN DEADLINES IN THE CODE WHEN WE, WHEN WE SEND THOSE LETTERS OUT.
AND THAT INCLUDES PEOPLE WHO ARE ACROSS THE STREET.
UH, WE ADVERTISE THE PUBLIC, HEARING THE APPLICATION, UH, IN THE DAILY PRESS.
AND THEN WHEN IT GOES TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THAT PUBLIC HEARING HAS TO BE ADVERTISED TWICE.
UH, ONE THING THAT WE DO THAT WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO, I THINK EVERY LOCALITY DOES IT.
WE POST A ON THE PROPERTY, UH, AN ORANGE SIGN IT'S ABOUT, I THINK IT'S ONE AND A HALF BY TWO FEET.
UH, AND IT JUST SAYS ZONING NOTICE IT HAS THE APPLICATION NUMBER.
SO PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY MIGHT NOT BE ADJACENT, SO THEY DON'T GET A LETTER, BUT THEY'RE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY MIGHT BE INTERESTED.
UH, THEY SEE THE SIGN, THEY CAN CALL US AND ASK US, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
AND YOU ALSO HAVE THE WEBSITE ON THE WEBSITE.
UH, WE POST THE AGENDA MATERIALS ON THE WEBSITE, THE APPLICATION MATERIALS THAT GET SUBMITTED, UM, AND THERE, THE PUBLIC NOTICES ARE ALSO POSTED ON THE, ON THE WEBSITE.
I THINK IN THE WRITE-UP THERE WAS SOME TALK OR SOME DISCUSSION THERE ABOUT, UH,
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE, THERE'S PLENTY OF NOTICE.
I KIND OF WANT TO MAKE SURE WE WERE ALL, WE HAVEN'T LEFT ANY HOLES OUT HERE, WHAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT.
THEN I WILL MAKE THEM IN THAT WE, UH, CLOSE THE NEW BUSINESS AND GO TO STAFF
[9. Staff Reports/Recent Actions by the Board of Supervisors]
REPORTS.UM, AND IT'S JULY 20TH MEETING THE BOARD APPROVED THE CELL TOWER AT QUEENSLAND MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND THEY APPROVE THE DIRTY QUADS MOTOR SPORTS SHOP AND THE KILN CREEK SHOPPING CENTER.
THEY TABLED THE MAGRUDER TAB ANIMAL HOSPITAL.
UH, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT BUFFERING.
UH, THERE WERE ONE OR TWO PEOPLE WHO SPOKE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING AND EXPRESS CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, BUFFERING.
UM, AND SO THEY DECIDED TO TABLE IT FOR A MONTH AND GIVE THE APPLICANT CHANCE TO WORK THAT OUT WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY HAVE REACHED AN AGREEMENT, UH, TO ADDRESS THE BUFFERING ISSUE WITH, UH, AN EARTH AND FROM, WITH PLANT HANGS ON TOP OF IT.
AND SO THAT WILL GO BACK TO THE BOARD AT THEIR MEETING NEXT WEEK, UH, AUGUST 17TH.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY LAND USE CASE THAT'S ON THAT AGENDA.
AS FAR AS Y'ALL'S AGENDA COMING UP SEPTEMBER RAVE, THERE IS ONE APPLICATION.
IT IS FOR A BUS TRANSFER FACILITY ON OLD MORTON ROAD, UH, SUBMITTED BY WADA, WHICH IS THE WILLIAMSBURG AREA, TRANSIT AUTHORITY.
THEY WANT TO PUT A TRA UH, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA WHERE MORE TOWN ROAD AND OLD MOORESTOWN ROAD COME TOGETHER, IT'S ABOUT A FOUR OR FIVE ACRE, FOUR AND A HALF ACRE PARCEL, I THINK.
AND SO THEY WANT TO PUT A, UH, THEY'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR YEARS, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING FOR YEARS TO TRY AND GET, UH, FIND A SITE FOR THIS TRANSFER FACILITY.
UH, SO IT DOES REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, PROPERTY ZONE, ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
AND SO THAT IS THE ONLY APPLICATION ON YOUR, UH, SEPTEMBER 8TH AGENDA.
UM, THIS IS MR. HOLROYD SECOND MEETING REALLY, BUT WE DIDN'T GET IT REALLY GET A CHANCE TO FORMERLY WELCOME HIM AT THE WORST SESSION BACK ON JULY 27TH.
UH, SO I WANT TO WELCOME HIM NOW.
UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU AND, UH, UH, THAT IS ALL I HAVE MR. CHAIRMAN.
I LOOK FORWARD TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER GOOD, WELL WELCOME BOARD.
[10. Committee Reports]
REPORTS? YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH,[01:30:01]
OUR LAST, UH, COMP PLAN MEETING, UH, COMMITTEE MEETING WAS, UH, LAST, LAST WEEK.UH, WE COULD GO TODAY AND, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THE DRAFT BROADBAND BROADBAND CHAPTER, AND STAFF DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB AND, AND CRAFTING THAT AND, UH, GENIE KUDOS TO YOU AND EARL FOR YOUR HELP AND PUTTING THAT TOGETHER.
AND I THINK THE ENTIRE COMMITTEE WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH IT.
UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF LIVELY DISCUSSION, A LOT OF IT ABOUT THE MEANING OF BROADBAND AND HOW IT'S GOING TO HELP AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND, UM, I THINK IT WAS VERY PRODUCTIVE AND I THINK WE'VE GOT A REALLY GOOD CHAPTER FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SOME GOOD STRATEGIES TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND I THINK WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE BILLS THAT ARE COMING UP, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME MONEY AVAILABLE, BOTH STATEWIDE AND THEN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, HOPEFULLY IT FILTER DOWN THAT IT'S GOING TO HELP THE COUNTY AND THE LONG RUN AND THE STATE FOR THAT MATTER.
MR. HORIE ANY, ANY COMMENTS? DID I MISS ANYTHING? I THINK, I THINK YOU'VE HIT IT PRETTY WELL.
UM, VERY LIVELY DISCUSSION, VERY POSITIVE DISCUSSION.
UH, I THINK PEOPLE SEE THIS AS A, AS AN AVENUE FOR OPENING UP OPPORTUNITY, RIGHT? CERTAINLY FOR SMALL BUSINESSES TO HAVE A BROADBAND SERVICE, UH, AS A HUGE PLUS THERE'S AREAS OF THE COUNTY NOT EFFECTIVELY SERVE TODAY, WHAT CAN WE DO TO ACCELERATE THAT THEN THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION.
AND I THINK THE ABROAD BAN DRAFT IS ON THE WEBSITE, CORRECT TIM.
SO I ENCOURAGED THE COMMISSIONERS TO GO IN AND LOOK AT IT AND I THINK YOU'LL FIND IT'S A VERY THOROUGH AND, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK FORWARD TO MAKING SURE THIS IN THE FINAL DRAFT.
DO YOU NEED ANYTHING EMAILS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS OUTSIDE OF READING AND MAKING COMMENTS OR WE'RE GOOD AT THE MOMENT.
YOU MENTIONED THE LAND USE FORUMS. YES.
UH, WE HAVE SCHEDULED TO LAND USE FORUMS, UH, TO TALK ABOUT, UH, THE FUTURE LAND DRAFTS THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH.
ONE OF THEM IS IN, UH, THE LOWER COUNTY SEPTEMBER 1ST, WHICH WOULD BE A TAB LIBRARY.
NO, THAT ONE'S ACTUALLY THE 15TH.
SO THE FIRST ONE, SEPTEMBER 1ST IS GOING TO BE AT BRUTON HIGH SCHOOL.
UH, AND THE SECOND ONE ON SEPTEMBER 15TH, WE'LL BE IN A LOWER COUNTY AT TAB, UH, UM, LIBRARY, MEETING ROOM, AND WE ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO COME OUT AND IT'S GOING TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, TO TALK TO SOME OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, LOOK AT THE DRAFT, UH, FUTURE LAND USE PLANS AND, UH, HAVE LISTENED TO SOME QUESTIONS THAT CITIZENS HAVE.
AND SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT THE TIME, UH, WHAT TIME ARE WE TALKING? I RECOMMENDED SIX TO EIGHT, 7:00 PM.
MR. UH, STAFF IS RE RE UH, REBUTTING MY SUGGESTION TO HAVE IT A LITTLE EARLIER FOR, FOR SOME OF OUR ELDERLY FOLKS TO GIVE PEOPLE A CHANCE TO EAT WHEN THEY COME HOME FROM WORK, BEFORE THEY COME OUT TO THEM.
THEY WANTED FROM SEVEN AT NIGHT.
SO I THINK THE EARLIER YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE FRESHER IN MY OPINION, BUT OKAY.
THAT CONCLUDES MY REMARKS, MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU.
EITHER ON THE 15TH, JUST BECAUSE IT'S AROUND THE CORNER FROM ME.
I HAVE NOTHING, BUT ANYWAY, GOOD.
[11. Commission Reports and Requests]
COMMISSION REPORTS OR REQUESTS, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.