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GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE JUNE 15TH BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING THIS TIME.
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER, AND I WOULD LIKE TO CALL ON REVEREND JOHN FALK FROM GRASP GRAFTON CHRISTIAN CHURCH TO LEAD US IN THE INVOCATION.
WELL, WE PRAY TOGETHER, FATHER, WE, UH, ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR PRESENCE DESIRED AT ALL TIMES IN ALL PLACES, RECOGNIZING YOUR INSTRUCTION THAT WE, AS A PEOPLE SEEK JUSTICE, LOVE MERCY, AND THE INHERENT DIFFICULTY IN DOING JUST THAT THE DECISION-MAKING PROCESS, THE ART OF COMPROMISE FATHER.
MIGHT IT BE A PARENT HERE THAT BECAUSE OF YOUR PRESENCE AND THE DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE, NOT JUST BE GOOD, BUT WE'LL BE THE BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY SO THAT WE MIGHT ALL GLORY IN YOUR MOST HOLY NAME.
I'D LIKE TO CALL ON OUR NEWLY HIRED ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY, MR. RICHARD HILL TO STEP FORWARD AND LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL MADAM CLERK.
IF YOU COULD CALL THE ROLL, SIR.
[A Birthplace of America Trail Presentation. Receive presentation from Robert Crum, Executive Director, Hampton Roads Planning District Commission, on the proposed Birthplace of America Trail.]
SHEPHERD.MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM.
I'D LIKE TO CALL ON MR. MORGAN.
UH, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PRESENTATIONS, THE BIRTHPLACE OF AMERICA TRAILS.
I KNOW THE BOARD IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH, UH, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, UH, BOB CRUMB, BUT FOR SOME OF THE VIEWING AUDIENCE, I THOUGHT A LITTLE INTRODUCTION MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE.
UH, HAMPTON ROADS IS VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE A LEADER LIKE, UH, BOB CRUMB, UH, THAT DEALS WITH BOTH, UH, THE PLANNING DISTRICT COMMISSION AND THE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION, UH, BEFORE HE CAME TO HAMPTON ROADS, BOB HAD A SIMILAR JOB IN RICHMOND AND ONE OF THE THINGS HE WAS INTIMATELY INVOLVED IN THERE WAS THE, UH, COMPLETION OF THE CAPITOL TRAIL DOWN ROUTE FIVE TO JAMES CITY COUNTY.
AND, UH, WITH THE HELP OF A LOT OF FOLKS, HE'S PUTTING A LOT OF ENERGY INTO FIGURING OUT HOW TO, UH, CONTINUE THAT, UH, DOWN TO THE TIP OF THE PENINSULA.
THE STAFF PRESENTATION LAST WEEK MADE REFERENCE TO IT.
AND WE ASKED BOB TO COME AND JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT HOW HIS GROUP, UH, V DIED AND THE SIX LOCALITIES OF THE PENINSULA ARE, UH, WORKING ON THIS CONCEPT.
WELL, THANK YOU, MR. MORGAN, MR. CHAIRMAN BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
MY PLEASURE TO BE WITH YOU THIS EVENING TO SHARE WITH YOU SOME INFORMATION THAT I THINKS ABOUT A VERY EXCITING PROJECT, UH, THE BIRTHPLACE OF AMERICA TRAIL AND HOW WE EXTEND THAT 52 MILE CAPITAL TRAIL DOWN THROUGH THE HAMPTON ROADS REGION.
UH, BEFORE I BEGIN THOUGH, I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT AND RECOGNIZE, UH, MY BOARD MEMBERS REPRESENTING YOUR COUNTY.
IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, MS. SHEILA KNOLL, WHO IS OF COURSE, A VERY ACTIVE MEMBER OF OUR PLANNING DISTRICT COMMISSION, MR. TOM SHEPPARD, LONG STANDING MEMBER OF THE HAMPTON ROADS, TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION.
SO REALLY WANT TO THANK THEM BOTH FOR ALL THE WORK THEY DO IN REPRESENTING YOU FROM A REGIONAL PERSPECTIVE.
SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS CALL UP A, UM, A POWERPOINT HERE, UH, AND WALK THROUGH IT TO TRY TO SHARE WITH YOU, UH, WHAT WE THINK IS JUST A, A REALLY INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY, UH, FOR ALL THE LOCALITIES ON THE PENINSULA, UH, AND FRANKLY, THE ENTIRE HAMPTON
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ROADS REGION.AND I REALLY APPRECIATE MR. MORGAN, I THINK REACH OUT TO ME THIS FALL AND SAID, BOB, LET'S TRY TO GET SOME ENERGY AROUND THIS, UM, THIS IDEA.
AND THAT IDEA IS HOW WE TAKE THE VIRGINIA CAPITOL TRAIL AND EXTEND IT INTO AND THROUGH THE HAMPTON ROADS REGION.
SO I THINK THIS FIRST SLIDE, UH, DEMONSTRATES WHAT I'M SURE YOU KNOW, BUT WE HAVE JUST AN INCREDIBLE JAM THAT STARTS IN DOWNTOWN RICHMOND TODAY.
UM, ALONG THE JAMES RIVER AND WINDS ITS WAY 52 MILES TO THE DOORSTEP OF WILLIAMSBURG, UH, IN JAMES CITY COUNTY, UH, IF YOU'VE DRIVEN ROUTE FIVE, UM, IT IS A TRAIL THAT I WOULD PUT UP AGAINST ANY TRAIL I'VE SEEN IN OUR COUNTRY.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I PARTICULARLY ENJOY IS, UH, THE, IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH SHOWS A SECTION IN CHARLES CITY COUNTY.
UH, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF UPTOWN TIMBER BRIDGES, CROSS DRAINAGE AREAS.
SO EVEN PEOPLE, ME TO DON'T LIKE RIDING THEIR BIKES UP AND DOWN, LIKE PRETTY FLAT AREAS CAN CA CAN ENJOY THAT TRAIL.
IT IT'S, IT'S QUITE A UNIQUE RESOURCE.
UH, THE SEED I LIKE TO PLANT WITH YOU THOUGH, IS THAT, UM, LOVE MY FRIENDS, CHARLES CITY COUNTY, ENJOYED WORKING WITH EVERYBODY TO PUSH THIS TRAIL TOWARDS WILLIAMSBURG WHEN I WAS ENRICHMENT.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF PLACES TO LEAVE MONEY AND CHARLES CITY COUNTY, IT'S A RURAL BEAUTIFUL COUNTY THAT CHANGES WHEN YOU GET TO OUR REGION.
WHEN YOU GET TO THE PENINSULA, YOU GET TO WILLIAMSBURG AND START TO EXTEND THAT TRAIL.
UH, AND, AND, AND REALLY START TO THINK ABOUT OUR VISION OF MOVING THAT TRAIL DOWN.
THE FORT MONROE IS A FIRST PHASE.
SO WE THINK THIS CAN BE IN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, HEALTHY LIFESTYLE, UH, A MEANS OF BIKING AND WALKING.
WE ALSO THINK THERE'S AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAY ON, ON THIS INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY.
UM, UH, AS I MENTIONED, UH, PORTIONS OF THE TRAIL EXIST IN OUR REGION.
THIS IS A SECTION IN JAMES CITY COUNTY TODAY.
AND WHAT WE THINK IS IF YOU LOOK AT WILLIAMSBURG, JAMES CITY COUNTY, AND FRANKLY THE ENTIRE PENINSULA TODAY, YOU'RE AT ONE END OF A 52 MILE TRAIL TODAY.
UM, OUR VISION, UH, TO MAKE THIS AND INSULA, UH, THE CENTER FOR BIKING IN EASTERN VIRGINIA.
UH, WE THINK THAT PERHAPS THAT'S SOME ODDEST SCHOOL, FRANKLY, I THINK THIS COULD COMPETE WITH ANYBODY IN THE MID-ATLANTIC REGION.
UH, IMAGINE PEOPLE, UM, COMING AND ENJOYING A TRAIL THAT NADA ONLY, UH, EXTENDS FROM RICHMOND, THE WILLIAMSBURG, IT CONTINUES IN ORANGE, THE HOLD THE WAY DOWN TO FORT MONROE, AND YOU'LL SEE A FIVE MILE LOOP THAT WE'RE CONTEMPLATING IT.
AND ROW THAT CAN TAKE THIS TRAIL OVER 120 MILES OF A CONTINUOUS TRAIL NETWORK, AND THEN SOMEDAY TAKING IT OVER THE SURREY FERRY TO THE SOUTH SIDE, BRINGING IT DOWN THROUGH SURRY COUNTY AND ALL WHITE COUNTY, AND THEN GETTING INTO THE RAILROAD RIGHT AWAY ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND GO IN THE HALLWAY TO VIRGINIA BEACH.
UH, THIS COULD BE A TRAIL NETWORK THAT COULD BE A DESTINATION.
AND I GET TO TELL YOU, MY FRIEND SOUTH OF US IN NORTHEASTERN NORTH CAROLINA HAVE ALREADY TOLD ME IF WE BRING IT THAT FAR, THEY'RE COMING THROUGH THE DISMAL SWAMP GOING TO TAKE IT TO THE OUTER BANKS.
SO YEAH, THIS IS A LONG-TERM PLAY, BUT IT STARTS WITH THE VISION.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT TOOK 20 YEARS.
WE BUILD THAT 52 MILES TO RICHMOND TO WILLIAMSBURG.
UM, WE, WE WANT TO GET TO WORK ON THIS AND TRY TO SEE IF WE CAN'T MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
SO, UH, THIS IS OUR VISION, UM, BIG VISION.
AGAIN, WHAT YOU SEE ON THIS MAP IS IN ORANGE IS THE IDEA WHERE THE TRAIL COULD GO.
UH, THIS IS A GENERAL PLANNING, HIGH LEVEL PLANNING ANALYSIS WITH YOUR STAFFS.
THERE ARE SOME SECTIONS THAT EXIST IN POWDER BLUE, UH, TH THAT OUR EXISTING FACILITIES.
SO WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO, BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT THIS TRAIL ELSE, DO YOU HAVE PLACES AND DESTINATIONS, AND I'M PREACHING TO THE CHOIR HERE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR COMMUNITY, BUT IMAGINE A TRAIL THAT INTERCONNECTS JAMESTOWN AND WILLIAMSBURG AND YORKTOWN BATTLEFIELD AND NEWPORT NEWS AND FINISHES DOWN AT HAMPTON, UM, THAT WOULD BE UNPARALLELED IN TERMS OF THOSE TYPE OF CONNECTIVITY.
IT RUNS THROUGH AREAS THAT WE THINK ARE PRIME FOR DEVELOPMENT IMPROVEMENTS ON
UM, THIS COULD NOT ONLY BE A RECREATIONAL TRAIL.
IT COULD BE ANOTHER MEANS FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE TO WORK, UH, MOVE BETWEEN COMMUNITIES, ET CETERA, COULD REALLY UNITE US.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT, BUT WE HAVE WORK TO DO SO.
THE VISION ON THE PENINSULA WOULD BE TO TAKE THAT 52 MILE TRAIL AND ADD ANOTHER 82 MILES FOR A 135 MILE TRAIL THAT WOULD GO FROM WILLIAMSBURG DOWN TO WIND DOWN THE PENINSULA TO FORT MONROE.
YOU ONLY HAVE FIVE MILES EXISTING ON THE PENINSULA.
SO OUR WORK AHEAD OF US IS 77 MILES,
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RIGHT? WE'VE COMMITTED.WE WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH YOUR CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICERS FROM ANDREW TRIVET AND RIGHT WILLIAMSBURG, THE CITY MANAGER TO SCOTT STEVENS, TO NEIL, OREGON, UH, CYNTHIA ROTH, UH, MARY BUNNING FROM HAMPTON, UH, RANDY WHEELER FROM PECOS, AND EVERYBODY HAS COME TOGETHER.
WE'VE HAD A SERIES OF MEETINGS OF HOW WE TRY TO PUSH THIS FORWARD.
NOW, AGAIN, THE EXISTING FACILITIES SAVINGS OF THIS SHOWER IN PLACE.
THERE'S A SEGMENT ON MONICELLI AVENUE.
UH, I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE LATER ABOUT THE MAC THAT MICK REYNOLDS ATHLETIC COMPLEX.
UM, BUT WE, WE, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, A NEWPORT NEWS, WE THINK TO MAKE A MOVE ON EXTENDING NATCH, UH, DOING SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT AREA.
UM, WE, WE HAVE A SECTION OF THE TRAIL DOWN IN NEWPORT NEWS THAT EXISTS AND YOUR CHESAPEAKE BOULEVARD ALONG THE WATERFRONT.
UM, HERE ARE SOME POTENTIAL NEXT BUILD SEGMENTS THAT WE'RE STARTING TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
AND I JUST NOT TO GET IN A WHOLE LOT OF DETAIL, BUT I JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU THE OPPORTUNITY THAT EXISTS.
UH, THE FIRST SEGMENT IS HERE NEAR COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG, WHERE WE HAVE A SECTION OF THE TRAIL THAT GOES DOWN A ROAD CALLED CARTER'S GROVE COUNTRY ROAD.
UM, CLIFF LEAD, WHO IS THE NEW, I SHOULDN'T SAY NEW ANYMORE, BUT THE CEO OF THE GREATER WILLIAMSBURG FOUNDATION IS COMPLETELY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
WE THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXTEND IT DOWN A LONG CARTER'S GROVE COUNTRY ROAD AND DO SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT ROADWAY, UH, TO MAKE THIS A SHORT TERM BUILD SECTION THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY TAKE A LOOK AT.
THERE'S SOME THINGS WE'LL NEED TO DO, UH, TO COMPLETE THIS, UH, SIX MILE SECTION.
UH, BUT, UM, WE, WE THINK PROPERTY OWNER ISSUES, THERE'S SOME THINGS WE NEED TO DO IN TERMS OF BRIDGE STRUCTURES, ET CETERA, BUT THIS IS AN AREA THAT WE REALLY WANT TO FOCUS ON IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
UM, WE HAVE, UM, A SECTION DOWN THERE, UM, THE MAC, THE MAC REYNOLDS COMPLEX.
I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE MORE IN A MINUTE OR TWO, BUT WE HAVE A FEDERAL GRANT OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE IN A GREAT POSITION TO ASK FOR SOME FUNDING TO, TO BUILD A PORTION OF THIS TRAIL.
UH, THE FIVE MILE LOOP DOWN AT FORT MONROE REALLY ANCHORS THIS IN, IN AN INCREDIBLE WAY.
AND WE, AND WE THINK WE HAVE SOME SHORT TERM OPPORTUNITIES THERE AS WELL.
SO W WHAT I WANT TO SHOW YOU IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT STARTS WITH THE VISION, BUT IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THESE DARK BLUE SEGMENTS, THE SECTION LONG CURTIS CARTER'S GROVE COUNTRY ROAD, UH, BUILDING PART OF THE TRAIL THROUGH TO NEWPORT NEWS, PUBLIC PARK, COMPLETING THAT LOOP DOWN IN FORT MONROE, AND EVEN, UM, MR. SHEPHERD, WE HAVE THE, UM, THE CONNECTOR TO PECOS AND APPROVED AS A MULTI-USE, UH, ROADWAY, BUT MULTI-USE TRAIL AS WELL.
YOU START TO SEE SORT OF A SKELETON OF THIS TRAIL COMING TO LIFE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE THINK IF WE CAN JUST START GETTING SOME SEGMENTS PUSH FORWARD, WE COULD REALLY GET SOME EXCITEMENT AROUND THIS.
SO A COUPLE OF UPDATES, UM, IT'S OBVIOUS TO US THAT THERE IS WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A TRAIL LIKE THIS, THERE'S A LOT OF DETAILS, RIGHT? YOU GO DOWN THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ROAD OR THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ROAD, WHO ARE THE PROPERTY OWNERS, ARE THEY COOPERATIVE? DO, DO THEY SUPPORT IT? DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS? WHAT ARE THE FINAL DESIGN FEATURES LOOK LIKE? WE REALLY FELT WE NEEDED TO BRING A CONSULTANT ON BOARD TO TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE DETAILS TO GET SECTIONS OF THIS TRAIL READY FOR US TO SUBMIT FOR FEDERAL AND STATE GRANT FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES.
SO WE WENT TO THE DOT AND THE GOOD NEWS IS VIDOT HAS AGREED TO PROVIDE US AN ON-CALL CONSULTANT.
MICHAEL BAKER ENGINEERS WILL BE OUR ON-CALL CONSULTANT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERY NOMA SHE ASKS, WE GOT REALLY LUCKY.
VIDOT GAVE US $200,000 OF FUNDING TO SUPPORT THEIR WORK.
THEY'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS.
AND FRANKLY, THAT'S BECAUSE THEY SEE THE EXCITEMENT OF THE LOCALITY.
SO WE'RE HOPEFUL TO USE MICHAEL BAKER SHOULD BE UNDER CONTRACT WITH US IN JULY, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO PUT THEM IN THE WORK, AND WE'RE GOING TO GET THEM READY.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE'S THINGS COMING DOWN THE ROAD, YOU HAVE SMART SCALE FUNDING ROUNDS.
UM, AND YOU'VE GOT A FEDERAL INFRASTRUCTURE PACKAGE THAT'S COMING.
WE WANT TO BE READY FOR SECTIONS OF THIS TRAIL TO BE CANDIDATE PROJECTS.
WE THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR TRAILS AND BIKING.
WE WANT TO BE IN PLAY FOR THAT.
IN ADDITION, UH, VIDOT HAS GIVEN US TWO PROJECT MANAGERS AND NO COST TO US.
UM, AND AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO REFINE ROUTE LOCATIONS AND GET SEGMENTS, UH, DESIGNED TO THE POINT THAT THEY'RE GOOD GRANT APPLICATIONS.
UM, WE ALSO, UM, IS YOU'RE PROBABLY AWARE OF THE HOUSE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.
OUR, OUR CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENTATIVES, UM, GOT INVOLVED WITH HOUSE APPROPRIATIONS THIS YEAR, IT'S EARMARKS.
AND, UM, EACH OF OUR HOUSE MEMBERS ARE GIVEN UP TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR VERY SMALL PROJECTS TO LOOK AT FOR HOUSE APPROPRIATIONS, CO CONGRESSMAN
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SCOTT AGREED TO SUBMIT, UH, THE NEWPORT NEWS SEGMENT OF ABOUT THREE AND A HALF MILES A TRAIL THROUGH THEIR PARK FOR ABOUT $4 MILLION OF FUNDING.UM, SO WE'RE VERY HOPEFUL, UH, THAT, THAT THAT'S GOING TO COME TO PASS.
AND I, AND I, I WANT TO GIVE THEM CREDIT ON THE RECORD.
THE TIDEWATER TRAIL ALLIANCE WAS INVOLVED WITH THIS BEFORE ANYBODY GOT EXCITED ABOUT IT.
THEY'VE BEEN PUSHING THIS BALL UP A HILL FOR SOME TIME.
IT'S A REAL GROUP OF TRAIL ADVOCATES.
WE'RE FORMING A SUBCOMMITTEE WITH THEM, AND WE REALLY NEED TO, UH, MAKE CERTAIN THEY CONTINUE TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS EFFORT.
BUT AN OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE IN THE COMING WEEKS IS, UM, THROUGH THE FEDERAL RACE PROGRAM, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AS IS ANNOUNCED THE FUNDING OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUILDING AMERICAN INFRASTRUCTURE WITH SUSTAINABILITY AND EQUITY, UM, GRANT APPLICATIONS ARE DUE JULY THE 12TH.
UM, OUR STAFF HAS REACHED OUT TO THE CAOS AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THE PENINSULA LOCALITIES ON JULY 12TH.
WE'RE GOING TO SUBMIT A FUNDING REQUEST FOR UP TO $25 MILLION TO SEE IF WE CAN'T START BUILDING PORTIONS OF THIS TRAIL.
UM, WE THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A MUCH MORE COMPETITIVE APPLICATION IS A PENINSULA LEVEL REGIONAL APPLICATION.
EHR TPO WILL BE THE APPLICANT.
AS I MENTIONED, WE CAN REQUEST 25 MILLION.
IT REQUIRES A 20% LOCAL MATCH.
I'M REALLY PLEASED TO, UH, TO ANNOUNCE, UH, WILLIAMSBURG'S ON BOARD JAMES CITY.
NEWPORT NEWS IS LOOKING AT AN EXCITING SECTION TO BUILD ABOUT JUST SHY OF SEVEN MILES OF THE TRAIL WITHIN THEIR PARK.
UM, THAT THAT CREATES A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US.
THEN ONCE THAT'S BUILT TO LOOK AT HOW YOUR CONNIE CAN TIE IN TIE INTO THAT, UM, WE MUST DEMONSTRATE BENEFIT TO POVERTY COMMUNITIES.
WE BELIEVE WE CAN DO THAT WITH THIS APPLICATION.
UM, SO WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING THAT TOGETHER.
WE'RE WORKING VERY HARD ON THAT, AND WE'LL BE SUBMITTING THAT ON JULY THE 12TH.
UM, SO HOPEFUL LATER THIS YEAR, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE EXCITING NEWS ABOUT THAT, THAT THAT CAN START KICKSTARTING THIS PROCESS.
IN ADDITION, THE VALUE OF GETTING MICHAEL BAKER IN HIS SMART SCALE IS ALWAYS LOOKING AT WAYS TO FUND SOMETHING OTHER THAN ROAD WIDENING.
THEY'RE LOOKING FOR BIKING AND WALKING TRAILS, YOUR COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD MEMBER, A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY EVERY YEAR TO ALLOCATE TO TRAIL SEGMENTS.
THAT'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY, UH, BY GETTING THESE SECTIONS READY.
I MENTIONED THE FEDERAL INFRASTRUCTURE PACKAGE WE THINK IS COMING IN THE FALL.
UM, I KNOW THAT MR. MORGAN HAS ALREADY BEEN LOOKING AT HIS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, AND WE EVEN HAVE SOME MONEY AT THE TPO THAT, THAT WE CAN ALLOCATE.
SO, UM, WE THINK WE CAN GET THIS KICKSTARTED.
WE THINK WE CAN GET IT MOVING FORWARD.
UM, AND, AND I'LL, I'LL, I'LL JUST CLOSE MR. CHAIRMAN WITH THIS THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS IT WOULD BE MY DREAM THAT SOMEDAY, UM, PEOPLE MIGHT COME, UM, TO RICHMOND AND THEY MIGHT DECIDE, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY'RE PRETTY SERIOUS BIKERS AND THEY MIGHT BIKE TO WILLIAMSBURG AND SPEND A NIGHT, RIGHT.
AND, UM, TAKE, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL THE WONDERFUL ASSETS THERE.
AND MAYBE THE NEXT DAY THEY BIKED DOWN THE NEWPORT NEWS.
MAYBE WE GET A SPUR BUILT TO THE YORKTOWN WATERFRONT, AND THEY COME AND ENJOY YOUR BEAUTIFUL COUNTY, MAKE THEIR WAY DOWN TO FORT MONROE, EVENTUALLY STAYING AT HOTELS, DINING AT RESTAURANTS ALONG THE WAY.
AND, UM, WHO KNOWS, MAYBE THERE'S A PART OF A TOURISM DEAL.
THE VAN PICKS THEM UP AND DRIVES THEM BACK TO RICHMOND.
AND THEY JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY CAN, UM, ENJOY THE WONDERFUL THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO OFFER HERE BY, BY RIDING THEIR BIKES AND ENJOYING THIS TRAIL.
SO, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS.
UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS, SIR.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I'M JUST AS EXCITED AS YOU ARE ABOUT IT.
I THINK ENVIRONMENTALLY, IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE PUT PEOPLE OUT OF CARS AND ONTO BIKES FOR WALKING.
SO IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY, I THINK.
THANK YOU, MR. RAMBO, MRS. NEWELL ALREADY TOLD ME THAT SHE'S GOT HER BACKPACK READY TO GO.
UM, MY QUESTION IS LIKE THE APPALACHIAN TRAIL.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU THINK OF THE APPALACHIAN TRAIL, YOU THINK ABOUT, UH, HIKERS, UH, WITH THEIR BACKPACKS AND AT DUSK, THEY SETTLED DOWN FOR THE NIGHT.
THEY PITCH A TENT OR SLEEP UNDER THE STARS ALONG THESE MANY MILES OF, UH, IS THERE ANY PLACE WHERE YOU CAN DO JUST THAT OTHER THAN HAVING TO GO TO A HOTEL MOTEL AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY PAY SOME BUCKS? I, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THOSE ARE OPPORTUNITIES.
OBVIOUSLY THE NEWPORT NEWS CAMPGROUND IS THE FIRST, UM, OPPORTUNITY THAT, THAT COMES TO PLAY.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT IF WE COULD SPUR THIS TRAIL, YOU MIGHT EVEN SEE OTHER, UM, MARKET OPPORTUNITIES FOR CAMPGROUND TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT OR MAYBE EVEN PRIVATE.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY.
UH, SO THE, THE THING THAT'S SO EXCITING ABOUT THIS IS JUST THE DIVERSITY OF, UM, EXPERIENCES YOU COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, ALONG THIS TRAIL, IF YOU WANT THAT RURAL
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EXPERIENCE, YOU CAN HAVE IT.IF YOU REALLY WANT TO BE NEAR TO THE ACTION, YOU CAN TOO, IN TERMS OF WHERE THIS WOULD ROUTE.
SO HOTEL VERSUS CAMPGROUND, I THINK WE COULD OFFER BOTH.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK, AGAIN, THAT'S THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAY.
DRIVEN BY THE, THE EXISTING BIKE TRAIL LONG, RIGHT.
IT'S VERY, IT'S VERY IMPRESSIVE, VERY WIDE AND IT LOOKS LIKE A VERY WELL PUT TOGETHER.
SEE A LOT OF BIKERS, A FEW WALKERS.
UM, I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS, I HAVE A FEW FRIENDS THAT ENJOY THEIR HYBRID BIKES AND ELECTRIC AND PR AND THEN MANUAL POWERED BIKES.
WOULD THOSE TRAILS BE OPEN TO BATTERY POWER TO VEHICLES, OR JUST WHAT, WHAT'S THE VISION THERE.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
AND I'M GONNA, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THAT.
UM, BECAUSE I THINK THE, THE ISSUE WITH, UM, UM, UH, ELECTRIC HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT PEOPLE THOUGHT GOLF CARTS, RIGHT.
BUT NOW WITH THE ELECTRIC BIKES BEING MORE UTILIZED AND SEGUES, RIGHT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S MORE OF AN ISSUE OF SPEED.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THERE'S SOME BALANCE.
WE COULD STRIKE THAT AS LONG AS THERE WAS SPEED LIMITATIONS, THAT THOSE COULD CO-EXIST THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP, BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT THAT.
AND HE LOOKED AT SOMEBODY TRYING TO MAKE THE TRIP FROM RICHMOND TO YORKTOWN A HARBORED BIKE WOULD HELP REALLY SUPPLEMENT THAT.
SO OTHER IF I MAY, THE, YOUR QUESTION MADE ME THINK ABOUT TOO IS IN, AND I DO WANT TO STRESS THIS.
SO THROUGH RURAL CHARLES CITY COUNTY, IT IS IT'S 10 FEET WIDE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OTHER SECTIONS LIKE THAT GOING THROUGH PHOEBUS OR GOING THROUGH OTHER URBANIZED AREA WHERE THE TRAIL'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE DESIGNED APPROPRIATELY.
SO NOT IN EVERY CASE, WILL IT BE ABLE TO BE THAT WIDE AND SEPARATED? SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, GO STEP BY STEP AS, AS WE LOOK AT THAT.
AND I THINK THAT WILL BE AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION.
THANKS VERY MUCH FOR, UH, COMING DOWN AND, AND, UH, ABOUT FOLKS DON'T REALIZE FOR YOU TO GET HERE AS A 41 MILE DRIVE.
AND I KNOW THIS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT SHEILA AND I HAVE TO DRIVE WHEN WE GO OVER THERE.
UM, AND FOR, FOR FOLKS THAT ARE NOT FAMILIAR, YOU THINK BICYCLE PATHS, OR YOU THINK OF A MULTI-USE TRAILS, OR MAYBE IN SIDEWALKS AND, UM, AND FOLKS THAT ARE NOT USED TO THAT DO NOT UNDERSTAND, UH, REALLY YOU DON'T GET THAT FEEL OF HOW THE VALUE TO THE, THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE, THE THINGS THAT IT ADDS, UH, PEOPLE CAN WALK, PEOPLE CAN GET OUT AND GOT A PLACE TO GO.
WE HAVE NEIGHBORS, UM, AND DOWN IN, UM, UH, WHERE I LIVE, THEY'LL ACTUALLY LOAD UP THEIR BIKES AND THEY DRIVE UP TO WILLIAMSBURG TO GO BIKE, RIDING NO WORDS.
THEY DON'T HAVE A PLACE DOWN HERE WHERE THEY FEEL SAFE ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.
SO HAVING THESE TRAILS IS, I THINK, IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY IN GENERAL FOR IT, BECAUSE IT HELPS IDENTIFY THE COMMUNITIES, UH, DESIRES AND FOCUS.
UM, ONE QUESTION FOR YOU ON THE, IN THE CONGRESSIONAL PIECE, UH, YOU TALKED ABOUT WHAT A CONGRESSMAN SCOTT WAS LOOKING AT.
UM, DO YOU KNOW, OR HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING REFERENCE THE PASS THROUGH MONEY THAT MIGHT BE COMING THROUGH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, UH, IN TERMS OF, UH, ANY OTHER ASPECTS OF THIS? IN OTHER WORDS, YOU HAVE TO BE SHOVEL READY TO GET IT GOING.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN THE MONEY IS GOING TO SHOW UP KIND OF THING, OR W WHAT KIND OF STIPULATIONS ARE THEY PUTTING, MAYBE PUTTING ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS? UH, THANK YOU, MR. SHEPHERD, ON THE, THE APPROPRIATION SECTION, THEY WERE LOOKING FOR VERY SMALL, UM, AND FULL DISCLOSURE.
I'LL BE HONEST WHEN THEY CAME TO US AND SAID, WHAT DO YOU HAVE IN TERMS OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT YOUR BOARD IS APPROVED RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE? I SAID, WELL, WE HAVE SEGMENT FOUR OF INTERSTATE 64, RIGHT? BECAUSE MR. SHEPHERD IS YOU'RE AWARE WE'VE BEEN PUSHING FOR THAT FOR A LONG TIME, BUT THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, REALLY, WE'RE LOOKING FOR PROJECTS IN THAT TWO TO $3 MILLION RANGE.
SO MR. SHEPHERD, IT HAD TO BE SHOVEL-READY.
IT HAD TO BE IN THAT TWO, THREE, $4 MILLION RANGE.
NOW, I THINK THOUGH, UM, IF EVERYTHING WE'RE HEARING ABOUT THE FEDERAL INFRASTRUCTURE PACKAGE, WHICH IS THE BIGGER PLAY IN EFFORT, IF AGREEMENT CAN COME TOGETHER ON THAT THIS FALL, THEN WE THINK THERE COULD BE BIGGER OPPORTUNITIES HERE THAT WE COULD PURSUE.
WELL, THANK YOU AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN AND GIVING US A PRESENTATION.
IT'S VERY GOOD, MR. CHROME, ONE FINAL QUESTION.
UH, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT, UH, CONGRESSMAN SCOTT HAD GOTTEN ABOUT $4 MILLION FOR NEWPORT NEWS IN THEIR SECTION IN THE PARK AND THINGS, UH, WHICH YOU SAID WAS ABOUT, I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHETHER THAT WAS THREE MILES OR SEVEN MILES, BUT HOW MUCH DOES THIS BIKE LANE COST PER
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MILE? ON AVERAGE, YOU SEE ABOUT $1.7 MILLION PER MILE.THAT'S THE AVERAGE COST, UM, FOR THE SECTION THAT MR. SCOTT, OR EXCUSE ME, CONGRESSMAN SCOTT, UH, REQUESTED, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT, UM, A ONE TO TWO MILE BUILD.
UM, BUT ON THE BIGGER PIECE THAT WE'RE GOING TO SUBMIT BY JULY 12TH, WE'RE LOOKING AT ANOTHER SEVEN MILES AND, AND THESE ARE SEPARATE LANES GETTING BICYCLES OFF ROADWAYS WITH CARS.
IN THAT PARTICULAR INSTANCE, IT'S THROUGH A, IT'S AN ALTERNATE ROUTE THROUGH A PARK OWNED BY THE CITY.
AND THAT'S WHAT WAS VERY ATTRACTIVE ABOUT STARTING THERE TO TRY TO SORT OF GET THE MIDDLE OF THIS, UH, START TO GET BUILT SO THAT IT STARTS TO EXCITEMENT.
WE CAN ALL START CONNECTING TO IT.
UH, OUR GOAL IS IF WE CAN CREATE THIS MAIN SPINE, AND I KNOW YOUR STAFF STUDENT, A LOT OF WORK WITH YOU IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT YOUR VISION, BUT IMAGINE THEN, YOU KNOW, IT GIVES YOU THAT MAIN SPINE TO START CONNECTING INTO.
WE CAN REALLY START MAKING SOMETHING HAPPEN.
[B Colonial Behavioral Health Update. Receive presentation from David Coe, Executive Director, Colonial Behavioral Health.]
THANK YOU.THIS TIME, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO THE NEXT PRESENTATION FOR THE COLONIAL BEHAVIORAL HEALTH UPDATE.
AND I'M GOING TO CALL ON MR. DAVID ALLEN CO, IF HE COULD COME ON UP HERE.
THANK YOU, MAYA, GROWING UP, THE ONLY PERSON THAT CALLED ME BY MY FIRST AND MIDDLE NAME WAS MY MOTHER, AND IT WAS NEVER A GOOD THING WHEN SHE DID.
SO YOU'VE GOT ME NERVOUS ALREADY.
MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT.
UM, COLONIAL HAS, UH, UH, ALL OF YOU KNOW, OF COLONIAL BEHAVIORAL HEALTH, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE SORT OF COMING.
I THINK WE CAME IN 2016, SO IT'S ABOUT FIVE YEARS.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE COME BACK TONIGHT TO SORT OF REFRESH WHERE WE ARE.
SOME THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED, UH, WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE DO.
SO IF YOU'LL NOTICE IN, UH, WE WERE FORMED IN 1971, UH, JANUARY 5TH, 1971 TO BE EXACT WHEN, UH, WILLIAMSBURG, JAMES CITY AND YORK COUNTY CAME TOGETHER TO FORM, UH, UH, AN ORGANIZATION.
THAT WAS THE NAME OF SO LONG, IT COVERED THREE LINES OF A PAGE.
UM, SO YOU ARE, UH, LOOKING AT AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS CELEBRATING ITS 50TH ANNIVERSARY THIS YEAR.
UM, AND I'LL, I'LL LET YOU KNOW, NOW THAT, UH, LATER THIS YEAR YOU'LL BE GETTING AN INVITATION TO A, TO, UH, WHAT WE BELIEVE SHOULD BE AN IN-PERSON, UH, CELEBRATION OF 50 YEARS.
SO WE WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT IN ADVANCE, UH, SIX OF OUR 15 BOARD MEMBERS ARE YOUR COUNTY, UH, APPOINTEES, AND WE ARE GRATEFUL TO EACH ONE OF THEM.
HE'S OUR BOARD CHAIR, SHERRY NEWCOMB, UH, WITH THE COUNTY.
YOU ALREADY KNOW AS WELL AS DR.
PAUL GILL, BRUCE KEENER, KRISTEN NELSON, AND TALBOT VIVIAN.
SO WE ARE ALSO GRATEFUL TO YORK COUNTY AS YOU SERVE AS OUR FISCAL AGENT AND HAVE FOR MOST, IF NOT ALL OF OUR ENTIRE HISTORY.
SO WE ARE, WE ARE VERY, VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT, OUR BUDGET GOING INTO NEXT YEAR.
UM, HERE IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, WE'LL BE $18.6 MILLION.
AND YOU'LL SEE THAT A LITTLE UNDER HALF OF THAT COMES FROM STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDS, UH, ABOUT A THIRD OF THAT IS COMING FROM MEDICAID.
AND THEN YOU'LL SEE LOCAL GOVERNMENT FUNDS COMING IN AT 17.4%.
I WILL SAY THAT, UH, WE ARE WHAT IS CLASSIFIED AS A MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL CSB, VIRGINIA, WHICH WE HAVE MORE THAN ONE LOCALITY THAT, THAT WE WORK WITH.
AND ALMOST ALL OF MY PEERS WHO WORK IN MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL, UH, CSPS ARE REALLY HAVING A HARD TIME AND HAVE HAD A HARD TIME SUSTAINING LOCAL GOVERNMENT SUPPORT.
SO YOU AND THE OTHER LOCALITIES, YOU ARE SHINING STARS TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH IN THE AMOUNT OF SUPPORT YOU PROVIDE TO THIS COMMUNITY SERVICES BOARD.
AND I CANNOT THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR THAT.
SO THE FUNDING, THE FUNDING BREAKDOWN THAT WE'VE TRIED TO WORK WITH OVER THE YEARS WITH, WITH LOCAL LOCAL GOVERNMENT PORTIONS AND HOW THESE THINGS ARE DIVIDED UP, YOU WOULD SEE THAT, UH, DURING FYI 2020, UH, WE, WE DON'T HAVE 21 NUMBERS FOR TWO REASONS.
ONE F Y 20, ONE'S NOT FINISHED YET.
AND ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, BACK IN THE 1ST OF MAY, WE CHANGED OVER TO AN ELECTRONIC, A NEW ELECTRONIC HEALTH RECORD.
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SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE PART OF OUR NUMBERS IN ONE, ONE SYSTEM AND PART OF OUR NUMBERS AT ANOTHER SYSTEM.SO WE'RE USING THE LAST FULL FISCAL YEAR NUMBERS WE HAVE, BUT YOU'LL SEE THAT RIGHT NOW, UH, WE WE'VE ROUNDED.
SO WE MAY BE A COUPLE OF PERCENTAGE POINTS HERE AND THERE, BUT BY AND LARGE LOCALITIES, YOU'RE PAYING A PROPORTION OF THE LOCAL FUNDING SHARE THAT, THAT THE LOCALITIES COME BACK AND AGREE TO, UH, THAT IS VERY PROPORTIONATE, UH, TO THE, TO THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE BEING SERVED BY CBH.
SO, UH, THERE'S NO LOCALITY THAT IS BEING OVER UTILIZED OR OVER, UH, OVER INDULGED, I GUESS I SHOULD SAY.
UM, LOOKING AT THE SERVICES TO YOUR COUNTY RESIDENTS, UH, LAST YEAR, YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE MAJORITY, AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT ARE, ARE ADULT AGE BETWEEN 18 AND 59, ABOUT A QUARTER OF THOSE BEING, UH, CHILDREN AND ADOLESCENTS AND 11%, WHICH IS A GROWING NUMBER.
UH, A FEW YEARS AGO, IT WAS IN THE, IN THE MID SINGLE DIGITS PERCENTAGE WISE FOR THE GERIATRIC POPULATION.
SO NOW WE'RE AT A LITTLE ABOVE 11% AMONG THOSE WHO ARE BEING SERVED.
AND, AND THESE, WHAT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE HAVE BEEN UNDUPLICATED NUMBERS.
THIS, THIS NUMBER IS DUPLICATED, SO THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T WIND UP BECAUSE MANY INDIVIDUALS MAY HAVE BOTH A MENTAL HEALTH DISORDER AND A SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER.
SO WITH THE DUAL DIAGNOSIS AND EVEN TRIPLE DIAGNOSIS, WE, WE, WE, WE DON'T HAVE CLEAN NUMBERS THAT WAY, BUT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE SERVED FROM YOUR COUNTY, YOU'LL SEE, UM, UH, 485 BEING THE LARGEST NUMBER BEING SERVED FOR MENTAL HEALTH CONDITIONS ACROSS THE LIFESPAN.
THINGS STARTED CHANGING FOR CSPS IN 2017, WHEN A PROGRAM CALLED STEP VIRGINIA WAS IMPLEMENTED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AND DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES THROUGH THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
AND PRIOR TO 2017, YOU WOULD FIND IN STATE CODE THREE TO TWO REAL MANDATES.
AND ONE THAT WAS IMPLIED, THE TWO MANDATES BEING CASE MANAGEMENT AND EMERGENCY SERVICES.
AND THEN THE ONE WAS STRONGLY IMPLIED WAS STATE HOSPITAL DISCHARGE PLANNING.
IF YOU LOOK ON THE RIGHT HAND COLUMN, YOU'LL SEE A MUCH LONGER LIST OF SERVICES THAT WERE ADDED TO THE LIST OF MANDATES FOR CSPS STATEWIDE, UM, BEGINNING IN 2017, AND THEY'VE BEEN GETTING ROLLED OUT GRADUALLY.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE WE'RE PROUD OF IS THAT FOR THE MOST PART, WE WERE ALREADY DOING MANY OF THESE AND THE, THE TWO THAT YOU SEE IN RED THERE, THE PRIMARY CARE MONITORING AND SCREENING, WHICH IS REALLY KEEPING TRACK OF FOLKS, UH, DIABETES, UH, THOSE THAT MAY BE TAKING CERTAIN TYPES OF MEDICATIONS THAT MAY EXACERBATE OTHER CHRONIC CONDITIONS, MAKING SURE THAT THOSE THINGS AREN'T GETTING COMPLICATED, THAT TYPE OF SERVICE.
UM, WE WERE DOING A BIT OF THAT.
I WENT AHEAD AND TURNED IT RED, BUT WE WERE DOING PIECES OF THAT ALREADY.
AND THEN SAME DAY ACCESS, UH, WAS A, WAS A SERVICE THAT WE HAD NOT BEEN PROVIDING BEFORE.
SO MUCH OF WHAT THE MANDATES THAT HAVE CHANGED IN VIRGINIA HAVE, MAY HAVE CHANGED HOW WE DO SOME THINGS, BUT THEY HAVEN'T NECESSARILY ADDED THAT SIGNIFICANTLY TO WHAT WE'VE HAD TO DO BECAUSE WE WERE ALREADY DOING MOST, UM, EMERGENCY SERVICES IS THE ONE THAT IF, IF MOST INDIVIDUALS IN THE COMMUNITY THINK ABOUT THINGS, THEY THINK ABOUT CIVIL COMMITMENT AND THEY THINK ABOUT HOSPITALS AND THEY THINK ABOUT EASTERN STATE HOSPITAL AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
AND THE, THE COMMUNITY SERVICES BOARD SYSTEM AND IN THIS COMMUNITY COLONIAL BEHAVIORAL HEALTH IS, IS THE AGENCY BY WHICH YOU ACCESS THE STATE HOSPITAL SYSTEM.
AND WE'RE THE ONES YOU DEAL WITH ALONG WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AND LOCAL EMERGENCY ROOMS, OR A CIVIL COMMITMENT, TEMPORARY DETENTION ORDER TYPE PROCESSES.
WE DO OPERATE AND ARE REQUIRED TO OPERATE IN A WAY THAT WE LOOK FOR THE LEAST RESTRICTIVE ALTERNATIVE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT ANYBODY IN THE HOSPITAL IF THEY DON'T NEED IT.
UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT ANYBODY IN ANY LEVEL OF CARE THAT IS BEYOND WHAT IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY BECAUSE OF THEIR CIVIL RIGHTS.
UM, WE HAVE OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, DEVELOPED A VERY STRONG RELATIONSHIP WITH ALL OF OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, INCLUDING YORK YORK COUNTY, UH, THROUGH OUR CRISIS INTERVENTION TRAINING AND OUR SEATAC OR CRISIS INTERVENTION TREATMENT ASSESSMENT, OR TEAM ASSESSMENT CENTER LOCATED AT RIVERSIDE DOCTOR'S HOSPITAL, UH, WHERE WE ARE WORKING WITH THE HOSPITAL AND WITH LAW
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ENFORCEMENT TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW LAW ENFORCEMENT, TO TRANSFER CUSTODY OF INDIVIDUALS UNDER AN ECO OR AN EMERGENCY CUSTODY ORDER TEMPORARILY.SO LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN GO BACK OUT ON THE, ON PATROL, DO THEIR REGULAR WORK WILDLIFE HOSPITAL ASSUMES CUSTODY, LEGAL CUSTODY FOR THE INDIVIDUAL, UH, FOR THE PERIOD OF TIME THAT THE ASSESSMENT AND WHEN NEEDED A BED SEARCH IS REQUIRED.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THAT.
WE'RE ONE OF THE BUSIEST, UH, CIT ASSESSMENT CENTERS IN VIRGINIA.
I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND A WHOLE LOT OF TIME ON THIS, THIS LONG LIST OF SERVICES CAUSE WE COULD, I KNOW YOU HAVE A LONG AGENDA TONIGHT AND IT COULD BE MUCH LONGER IF I STARTED WALKING THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE SERVICES, BUT I, I WILL, I WILL WANT TO SAY, AND I'LL STATE THIS AGAIN AT THE END, RATHER THAN WALK THROUGH ALL OF THESE SERVICES INDIVIDUALLY.
I WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO INVITE EACH OF YOU TO COME FOR A TOUR OF OUR FACILITIES OR SIT DOWN.
WE CAN HAVE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION AT A DIFFERENT TIME, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS.
I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO, I THINK THERE'S NO HAS BEEN THROUGH SEVERAL YEARS BACK WHEN WE'RE A LITTLE DIFFERENT, A LITTLE DIFFERENT NOW, BUT WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU COME THROUGH AND BE ABLE TO TALK TO YOU IN MORE DEPTH ABOUT THESE SERVICES, BUT YOU SEE A PRETTY GOOD HEFTY LIST THERE OF ADULT MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES OR SUBSTANCE USE SERVICES, CHILD AND ADOLESCENT SERVICES, DIFFERENT LOCATIONS WHERE WE'RE PROVIDING THOSE SERVICES, DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES, AND THEN OTHER SERVICES THAT WE HAVE, UM, EXCITING FOR US IS THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, OF AN FULL SERVICE PHARMACY, UH, LOCATED IN OUR OFFICE ON MERRIMACK TRAIL.
AND WE, UH, JUST TODAY, UH, LEARNED THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND THOSE PHARMACY SERVICES TO OUR YORK, THE COAST AND OFFICE, UH, DOWN HERE ON THE, UH, GEORGE WASHINGTON HIGHWAY AND TO OUR CHILDREN'S BUILDING ON CAPITOL LANDING ROAD IN WILLIAMSBURG.
SO WE WILL, ALL OF OUR OUTPATIENT CLINICS WILL HAVE EITHER A PHARMACY OR PHARMACY SERVICES AVAILABLE TO THEM.
UM, WE'VE DISCUSSED THE CHRONIC CARE COLLABORATIVE IN THE PAST, WORKING WITH OTHER PROVIDERS AND WITH THE WILLIAMSBURG HEALTH FOUNDATION TO PROVIDE A FOCUS ON CHRONIC DISEASE AND THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH PORTIONS OF THAT PACT OR A PROGRAM OF ASSERTIVE COMMUNITY TREATMENT FOCUSES ON THOSE INDIVIDUALS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE SICK, WHO ARE, HAVE A SERIOUS MENTAL ILLNESS DIAGNOSIS, AND HAVE THE, SOME OF THE COMMUNITIES, UM, HIGHEST UTILIZATION OF, OF INCARCERATION, EMERGENCY ROOM VISITS AND PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITALIZATION.
SOME OF THOSE THAT HAVE HAD THE MOST DIFFICULT TIME IN OUR COMMUNITY, THAT IS WHO THE PACT PROGRAM FOCUSES ON.
UH, WE NOTICED THAT JUST LAST MONTH, WE WERE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT A NEW ELECTRONIC HEALTH RECORD AND THE CONTRACTS WE HAVE HERE, UH, CDR, YOU KNOW, WELL, THEY'VE BEEN AROUND LONGER THAN WE HAVE, BUT WE'VE HAD THIS CONTRACT WITH THEM FOR YEARS, SPIRIT WORKS FOUNDATION WITH SUD RECOVERY, AND THEN THE INPATIENT HOSPITALIZATION, UH, FOR THOSE THAT CAN'T GET INTO EASTERN STATE HOSPITAL, BUT MAY NEED HOSPITALIZATION SOMEWHERE ELSE.
UH, WE HAVE CONTRACTS AVAILABLE FOR THOSE, THE CHALLENGES TO OUR SYSTEM, UM, UH, LIKE MOST OTHER THINGS IN GOVERNMENT, THEY'RE LIKE A SNOWBALL ROLLING DOWNHILL.
THERE'S JUST, THE CHANGE KEEPS COMING AND IT CASCADES AND IT GETS FASTER AND FASTER AND FASTER WHEN THE ACCOUNTABILITY INCREASES WITH IT.
UM, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE, THE AREAS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH, ALL OF OUR LOCALITIES ON RIGHT NOW IS THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE MARCUS ALERT LEGISLATION, WHICH IS GOING TO BE A TYPE OF A CO RESPONSE BETWEEN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND MENTAL HEALTH, UM, SERVICES.
UH, WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE A PROGRAM LIKE THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY BY 2026, UH, MAYBE BEFORE THERE WAS GOING TO BE COMMUNITY DECISIONS AROUND THE TIMING OF THAT.
LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, UH, WORKFORCE IS, IS AN ISSUE, UH, STAY HOSPITAL CENSUS, PARTICULARLY UNDER COVID.
WE HAVE MANY TIMES WHEN THERE ARE NO BEDS IN THE STATE HOSPITALS ACROSS THE STATE.
AND THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE TO SIT IN WAITING ROOMS FOR TWO AND THREE DAYS AT A TIME, UM, MEET THE CRITERIA FOR HOSPITALIZATION, BUT THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THEM TO GO.
UM, SO THAT HAS BEEN A MAJOR CHALLENGE STATE THAT IS NOT JUST A LOCAL ISSUE THAT HAS A STATEWIDE ISSUE.
UH, WE ARE WORKING ON CONTINUE TO WORK ON, UH, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AND PRIMARY CARE INTEGRATION.
AND THEN WHAT WE'RE ALL DEALING WITH, UH, AS WE'RE MOVING SORT OF TOWARD POST PANDEMIC, WE HOPE, UM, DEALING WITH THE NEW NORMAL
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AND HOW, HOW SERVICES ARE PUT TOGETHER AND SO ON.SO QUITE A, QUITE A BIT, THESE ARE THE CONTACT NUMBERS FOR OUR, UM, FOR OUR SERVICES.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER NEED FOR INFORMATION, UH, MY, MY EMAIL CERTAINLY HERE, AND YOU CAN LOOK AT OUR WEBSITE THERE, AND THAT IS, I DON'T KNOW IF I MADE 10 MINUTES OR NOT, BUT, UM, I'VE TRIED, BUT I WANTED TO, UH, LEAVE TIME FOR QUESTIONS, WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE OR COMMENTS YOU MAY HAVE.
AND I DO WANT TO EXTEND AN INVITATION TO EACH ONE OF YOU, OR AS A GROUP TO COME AND TOUR OUR FACILITIES.
UH, MR. CO BREVITY IS THE SECRET TO LONGEVITY.
HAVING SAID THAT, MISS KNOLL, ANY QUESTIONS? OH, THANK YOU FOR DAVID.
THERE WAS QUITE A PRESENTATION, BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE OVER THE YEARS.
I NOTICED THAT YOU HAVE FOR YOUR, UH, HOW MANY, 143 SUBSTANCE ABUSE DISORDER CASES.
HAVE YOU SEEN A RISE OR DECREASE IN THOSE CASES OVER THE YEARS? IS IT CONTINUING TO GO UP OR IS IT JUST, IT, IT FLUCTUATES AND, AND, AND PART OF WHAT WE, PART OF WHAT WE SAW IN PARTICULARLY THESE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY, THE FISCAL YEAR 2020 NUMBERS, THEY'RE ACTUALLY A LITTLE LOWER THAN WE WOULD HAVE SEEN IF WE DIDN'T LOOKED AT FISCAL YEAR 19, BECAUSE THREE QUARTERS OF THE WAY THROUGH THE YEAR COVID HIT.
AND WHEN, AND WHEN COVID HIT PEOPLE STOPPED GOING OUT, PEOPLE STOPPED CALLING.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE SAW A, UM, WE SAW A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE IN, UM, IN PEOPLE PRESENTING FOR SERVICES AT THAT TIME THAT HAS BEGUN TO, TO COME BACK AROUND SO THAT YOU WOULD SEE THAT NUMBER UP SOME THIS TIME.
BUT FOR INSTANCE, THERE WERE A FEW, THERE WAS A FEW MONTHS THERE THAT EVEN THE STATE HOSPITALS HAD LOTS OF EMPTY BEDS.
UH, IT WAS, IT WAS A STATEWIDE THING.
THEY WERE MORE SCARED AND STAYING HOME THAN THEN THEY WERE MORE SCARED OF CLOTHES.
THEY DIDN'T, THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN ISSUES DUE TO COVID WEDNESDAY WOULD INCREASE IN ALCOHOLISM, PERHAPS.
BUT, UM, OFTEN THAT REMAINED HIDDEN FOR QUITE A WHILE.
FRANKLY, WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING IN THIS IS WHEN THINGS REALLY HAVE OPENED UP, WE ARE EXPECTING, UH, QUITE A SPIKE IN DEMAND FOR SERVICES.
UH, SOME, SOME COMMUNITIES, SOME LOCALITIES, SOME STATES SOLID DURING COVID SOME DIDN'T THIS AREA WAS ONE THAT DIDN'T SEE THAT THOSE THAT HAVE NOT HAD IT DURING COVID TEND TO FIND THAT POST COVID.
AND I, I THINK, I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY RIGHT ON THE CUSP OF THAT.
UH, MR. COLE AND I HAVE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD BEFORE.
SO I WANT TO USE MY SELF AS A HYPOTHETICAL, UM, FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS I'M LIVING IN MY CAR.
I'M A VERY MAD PERSON HAVEN'T BEEN ARRESTED.
SO THERE'S BEEN NO DETERMINATION THAT I AM EITHER A THREAT TO MYSELF OR SOMEBODY ELSE.
WHAT MY BEHAVIOR IS IN MOST PEOPLE'S INTERPRETATION, INCREDIBLY BIZARRE IN MY LANGUAGE IS INCREDIBLY VILE.
UH, AND SHE HAPPENS TO BE A PATIENT OF EITHER A DOCTOR, A LAWYER, WHOEVER, UM, BUT SEEMINGLY I CAN'T GET HER IN TO BE EVALUATED.
WHAT, WHAT DO YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THIS PERSON WHO MOST PEOPLE WOULD SAY THE LAY PERSON FOR SURE, THIS PERSON NEEDS TO BE EVALUATED, IT'D BE LOOKED AT PSYCHOLOGICALLY OR PSYCHIATRIST THAT WISE? WELL, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A LOADED QUESTION BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF EVALUATIONS THAT CAN, SOME, SOME EVALUATIONS CAN BE DONE IN EMERGENCY ROOMS. SOME EVALUATIONS CAN BE DONE IN AN OUTPATIENT OFFICE.
SOME EVALUATIONS REQUIRE A COURT ORDER TO HAVE THEM DONE.
UM, SO WITHOUT HAVING MORE SPECIFICS AROUND THE QUESTION, IT'D BE HARD TO DO THE SPECIFICS OF AN ANSWER.
I, I THINK IN, IN MANY CASES, UM, PEOPLE SERVICES KNOWING THEY NEED SOMETHING, BUT NOT QUITE SURE WHAT IT IS.
UM, SO WHEN, WHEN THEY COME TO US, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WILL DO IS THAT WE, WE ASSESS AND SAY, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR HERE IS NOT AVAILABLE.
SOMETIMES IT'S NOT EVEN AVAILABLE IN THE CODE OF VIRGINIA TO BE DONE THE WAY THEY ARE LOOKING TO HAVE IT DONE, BUT HERE'S HOW YOU CAN GET IT DONE.
AND SO WHEN WE'RE, WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION TO DO THE EVALUATION, WE CAN ADVISE ON AND HAVE ADVISED
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ON HOW THOSE EVALUATIONS CAN BE DONE.THERE'S, THERE'S ALWAYS A WAY TO GET THE EVALUATION DONE.
WE JUST MATCH THE METHODOLOGY TO THE NEED.
WELL, LIKE I SAY, I USE MYSELF AS AN EXAMPLE.
UM, I AM THE MOST VILE PERSON, THE MOST OUT OF ORDER PERSON IN TERMS OF REASONABLE IS, BUT I'M NOT A THREAT TO YOU OR I'M, BUT MY VILE NATURE TO INCLUDE WHAT I PUT IN WRITING TO MY DOCTOR, HYPOTHETICALLY, OKAY.
IS SUCH WHERE MAYBE THE DOCTOR'S A LITTLE CONCERNED FOR HIS SELF, WHETHER IT'S INJURY OR, OR OTHERWISE, THAT'S NOT ENOUGH TO GET THIS PERSON INTO BE EVALUATED.
WELL, PART OF WHAT I THINK I HEARD THERE WAS ONE STATEMENT SAYING, I'M NOT A DANGER TO MYSELF.
I'M NOT A DANGER TO OTHERS, BUT I HAVE A DOCTOR OVER HERE.
DOCTOR, VIOLENT, VIOLENT, VIOLENT BEING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, UM, WITHOUT BEING A DANGER TO SELF OR OTHERS, OR AT IMMINENT RISK OF BEING OF, OF HARMING SELF OR SOMEONE ELSE, THE CODE OF VIRGINIA DOES NOT ALLOW THAT INDIVIDUAL TO BE HELD AGAINST THEIR WILL.
UM, BUT WHAT IF I'M WILLING TO PAY, I'VE GOT THE MONEY TO PAY FOR THE EVALUATION, BUT I WANT SOMEBODY TO EXAMINE ME BECAUSE I MIGHT KILL MY ATTORNEY OR MY DOCTOR OR MY WHATEVER.
SO WHAT I, WHAT I WOULD, WHAT I WOULD GO BACK TO THERE IS MAKING SURE THAT THE NEED MEETS THE METHODOLOGY AND THAT THE METHODOLOGY THAT IS BEING PURSUED ALIGNS WITH WHAT IS BEING, WHAT IS NEEDED.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S CLEARLY A NEED THERE, BUT IF WE NEED A, AND WE'RE PURSUING B, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MATCH DAVID.
I'VE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD BEFORE.
AND I THINK THE ROAD WE'RE ON IS WORTH PURSUING DESTINATION A WHEN THE MAP POINTS US TO DESTINATION B AND WHAT DOES B DESTINATION, UM, COURT COURT, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NOW.
AND THEN, THEN YOU'RE HEADED ON HEADED ON THE RIGHT ROAD.
AND THAT IS NOT, THAT IS NOT A DESTINATION THAT WE HAVE AN OFFICE ON THAT ROAD.
DON'T OWN HER ON A ROUTE GOING TO DESTINATION A WE'RE RIGHT THERE.
AND DESTINATION B THE CODE OF VIRGINIA HAS US OVER HERE, BUT NOT OVER THERE.
THANK YOU, MR. RON, UH, WHEN CHAIRMAN GREEN FIRST AND FIDUCIARY, I THOUGHT WERE, MAY GET TREATED A COUPLE OF MY FAVORITE SONGS, BUT I GUESS MAYBE ANOTHER NIGHT, UM, WASN'T THE DAVID ALLEN, RIGHT? IT WASN'T THE, UH, YOU MENTIONED THE MARCUS ALERT IN YOUR, IN YOUR PRESENTATION.
AND THAT REMINDED ME OF CONVERSATIONS.
I HAD RECENTLY WITH MAJOR MONTGOMERY, THE SURF'S OFFICE, BUT IT'S SOME OF THEIR NEW EXPECTATION AND REQUIREMENTS, YOU KNOW, COMING FROM, UH, THE STATE HOUSE FOR THIS YEAR AND GOING FORWARD.
AND IT SOUNDED LIKE THERE WAS SOME PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES BETWEEN YOUR DEPARTMENT AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE A 20, I THINK YOU SAID A 20, 26 KIND OF TARGET TIMELINE FOR MEETING SOME OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
HOW COMFORTABLE COMPETENT ARE YOU WITH THAT, THAT PARTNERSHIP GETTING TOGETHER IN THE TIMELINE THAT THEY WERE EXPECTING? OWNERSHIP IS ACTUALLY WHAT GIVES US CONFIDENCE THAT WE CAN DO THIS.
CAUSE IT'S, IT'S CBH AND IT'S YOUR COUNTY, BUT IT'S ALSO PICASA AND, AND JAMES CITY AND WILLIAMSBURG, AND AROUND THE CIT PROGRAM AND THE PROTOCOLS AND THE ASSESSMENT CENTER, THIS COMMUNITY HAS WORKED TOGETHER SO WELL FOR SO LONG, THIS, THIS IS A, ANOTHER, ANOTHER CHALLENGE TO, TO, TO IMPLEMENT, BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVE NO, NO PROBLEM THINKING THAT THAT CAN BE DONE.
THE 2026 NUMBER IS IN THE MARCUS ALERT LEGISLATION.
UH, EVERY, EVERY LOCALITY HAS TO HAVE A MARCUS ALERT PROGRAM IN PLACE BY 2026.
SO, UM, EACH REGION HAS TO HAVE ONE THIS YEAR, VIRGINIA BEACH IS TAKING THAT VIRGINIA BEACH HAS ALREADY HAD SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT GOING ON.
THERE'LL HAVE TO BE ANOTHER ONE IN 20, 22, BUT ALL OF OUR NINE CSB AREAS IN OUR, IN THIS REGION, ALL NINE OF US, ALL NINE CSBS AND THE GROUPINGS OF LOCALITIES WITH THEM, WE'LL ALL HAVE TO BE IN PLACE BY 2026.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON THINGS WITH THE, UH, DISPATCH CENTERS AROUND SOME OF THE REQUIRED DATABASE WE'RE DOING, WE'RE DOING THOSE THINGS NOW.
UM, THE STATE HAS TO PRODUCE A, A SET OF DOCUMENTS AROUND A GUIDE FOR COMMUNITIES AND HOW TO PUT THIS TOGETHER THAT HAS JUST COME OUT.
SO I'M GOING TO BE SENDING THAT TO MR. MORGAN AND, AND OTHERS.
UH, WE WE'LL, WE WE'VE HAD ONE, UH, HIGH-LEVEL COMMUNITY MEETING AROUND THIS, AND
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IT WAS DECIDED WE NEEDED THOSE GUIDELINES BEFORE WE COULD HAVE ANOTHER, WELL, THOSE ARE NOW JUST COME OUT.APPRECIATE IT, MR. SHEPHERD, THANK YOU, UM, YEARS AGO, UM, I REMEMBER A BRIEFING THAT YOU GAVE US.
I THINK IT'S UP IN WILLIAMSBURG AND IN THE, IN THE IT'S VERY, VERY INFORMATIVE, UH, BRIEFING.
I WAS KIND OF STUNNED BY SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, THAT YOU WERE DOING AND SOME OF THE THINGS YOU STUNNED IN A GOOD WAY, BUT ALSO STANDING AWAY BECAUSE OF THINGS YOU COULDN'T DO, UM, FOR DUE TO RESOURCES.
SO I'M GOING TO KIND OF PUT YOU ON THE SPOT HERE INTENTIONALLY BECAUSE YOU'RE IN FRONT OF A BOARD AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE BOARD TO UNDERSTAND THINGS.
SO YOU GIVE US A LIST HERE, THE CSB MANDATED SERVICES, MANDATED SERVICES, AND, UM, EV AND I LOOK AT THE 2017 LIST.
AND THAT WAS, I REMEMBER WE KIND OF TALKED TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, BUT YOU WERE, YOU DIDN'T HAVE ADEQUATE RESOURCES TO ACTUALLY DO THOSE.
AND NOW WE JUMP, YOU KNOW, TO TODAY AND YOU'RE DOING MORE STUFF.
UM, SO I GUESS THE QUESTION AS A SUPERVISOR, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, AND I, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT DID THE, YOUR, YOUR GROUP, WHAT IT'S DOING.
SO FOR THIS BOARD, HOW SHORT ARE YOU IN RESOURCES IN TERMS OF MANPOWER AND FUNDING, AS PART OF THE QUESTION, SECOND QUESTION IS, HAVE YOU CONVEYED THIS CLEARLY TO THE ADMINISTRATORS? WE ARE.
I THINK ONE OF THE, UM, ONE OF THE AREAS THAT I WOULD SAY THAT CSPS PROBABLY ACROSS THE STATE HAVE NOT DONE A GREAT JOB IN DOING IS THE STATE WOULD COME TO US AND SAY, HERE HERE'S 40 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR, GO DO THIS PROGRAM.
SO THEREFORE THE NEXT 40 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR BECOMES HARDER TO ARGUE AGAINST WE'VE.
WE'VE DONE A LOT OF THAT FREE FOR YEARS.
UM, THE MANDATES THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED TO US, I THINK ONE OF THE KEYS IN THERE IS THAT WE WERE DOING MOST OF THOSE ALREADY.
THE STATE HAS PROVIDED SOME LEVEL OF FUNDING FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE.
A COUPLE OF THOSE ARE ACTUALLY BORDERLINE ADEQUATE AMOUNTS OF MONEY.
UM, THERE IS, IT WILL BE EASIER TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
UM, AFTER THIS BIG POT OF INFRASTRUCTURE, MONEY COMES DOWN FROM THE FEDS.
THERE'S, THERE'S A SET UP SET OF DOLLARS COMING, BUT I WOULD SAY OUR PRIMARY CHALLENGES TODAY ARE IN RECRUITMENT, BOTH IN DIRECT SUPPORT PROFESSIONALS AND IN LICENSED PROFESSIONALS.
UM, WE ARE, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE CONSTANTLY FIGHTING AGAINST HUNDREDS.
I THINK THE LAST THING WE SAW WAS OVER 600 VACANCIES FOR LICENSED THERAPISTS IN HAMPTON ROADS LAST WEEK.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE COMPETING WITH ALL OF THAT.
SO WE'RE MANAGING, WE'RE DOING OKAY.
UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE REQUESTED FROM THE COUNTY THIS YEAR FROM FUNDING, YOU PROVIDED, YOU PROVIDED EVERY, EVERY DIME OF IT.
SO WE ARE, I CAN'T SAY THAT WE WOULDN'T COME BACK AND SAY THAT WE'RE IN CRISIS AT SOME POINT SOMEDAY, BUT THAT IS NOT TODAY.
IF YOU, IF YOU OFFER US MORE MONEY, WE WILL TAKE IT.
BUT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO, UH, WE'RE NOT GOING TO COME TO YOU UNNECESSARILY.
AND I, I THANK YOU FOR THAT UNNECESSARILY AND I WOULDN'T EXPECT YOU TO DO SO.
BUT THIS WAS THE OPPORTUNITY IN FRONT OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO CONVEY.
I MEAN, I'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, AIR, DIRTY LAUNDRY KIND OF THING.
I'M SAYING THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE CAN DO FOR YOU.
I MEAN, YOUR SERVICES THAT HELPS EDUCATE US AND UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU DO.
BUT, BUT ALWAYS WHEN I, WHEN I SEE YOU, I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT WHAT CAN I DO AS A SUPERVISOR TO HELP YOU DO WHAT YOU DO, WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND THAT YOU CAN EDUCATE US ALL, ALL YOU WANT, BUT AT THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU GOT TO TELL US WHAT YOU NEED.
I, I THINK IF WE ARE, I THINK WHAT WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO YOU WITH, AND PROBABLY NOT JUST US, WE'LL PROBABLY BE COMING BACK TO YOU WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT.
I THINK THAT THE CRISIS RESPONSE AND THE MARCUS ALERT PIECES OVER THESE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE PRETTY EXPENSIVE.
AND I DON'T THINK VIRGINIA IS GOING TO PUT ENOUGH MONEY INTO IT TO COVER IT FROM THE STATE LEVEL.
SO I THINK THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S GOING TO BE DISCUSSIONS WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENT AROUND THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ONE THING WE ALL HAVE TO DO AND WE HAVE TO GET RIGHT, EVERY TIME IT'S
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THE CRISIS RESPONSE.WELL, WE REACHED A POINT WHERE WE REACH A POINT WHERE THINGS LIKE WHAT WE DO IS HAVE A LEGISLATIVE PACKAGE THAT W YOU KNOW, IF YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY HEALTH ASPECT IS BECOMING AN ISSUE, UH, FOR YOU, THEN YOU LET US KNOW THAT MAYBE WE, AND THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AROUND HERE THAT PARTICIPATE CAN ADVOCATE THAT WAY.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST, THERE'S MORE THAN JUST THROWING MONEY OUT FROM US, BUT IT'S ALSO MAKING SURE THE STATE WHO ESTABLISHES THESE MANDATES OKAY.
IS AS, UH, AS A, UH, EQUAL PLAYER OR BETTER YET DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
I, I BELIEVE AROUND MARCUS ALERT, UM, THE JOINT PLANNING THAT'S GOING ON BETWEEN THE FOUR LOW CASUALTIES AND CBH, I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH A PACKAGE OF WHAT OUR NEEDS MAY BE.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT OUR, OUR COMMUNITIES, OUR REGION CAN COME BACK WITH ONE LEGISLATIVE PROPOSAL FOR THAT, THAT EVERYBODY CAN SUPPORT.
BUT THAT'S, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A VERY POSITIVE THING.
[C Employee Service Recognitions. Receive presentation from Neil Morgan, County Administrator.]
YOU.AND THANK YOU, MR. COE FOR ENLIGHTENING US TONIGHT.
UH, IN LIGHT OF TIME, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THE EMPLOYEE SERVICE RECOGNITIONS
[CITIZENS' COMMENT PERIOD]
TO OUR NEXT MEETING IN JULY, UH, WHICH BRINGS US TO CITIZEN COMMENT, PERIOD.AND THE FIRST CITIZEN COMMENT THAT I HAVE, UH, IS GLENN FROM THE CARROT TREE.
GLEN, IF YOU COULD COME UP, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
UH, GLEN HOUSE AT 1782 JAMESTOWN ROAD IN WILLIAMSBURG, I OPERATE CARROT TREE KITCHENS AT 3 23 WATER STREET, PART OF RIVERWALK LANDING, INCLUDING A PREVIOUS LOCATION I'VE BEEN SERVING FOOD CHARACTERS HAS BEEN SERVING YORK COUNTY FOR ABOUT 17 YEARS.
SOME OF YOU MIGHT BE FAMILIAR WITH US.
I SPEAK TODAY TO BRING ATTENTION TO AND POSSIBLY SEEK TO CHANGE COUNTY CODE 1771 SAID, CODE PROHIBITS THE DELIVERY OF FOOD TO CUSTOMERS ON THE BEACH OR TOWN ENVIRONMENTS.
WE'RE ALL AWARE OF HOW COVID HAS DISRUPTED THE RESTAURANT INDUSTRY.
THE APPETITE FOR TAKEOUT AND DELIVERY HAS EXPLODED AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO.
SO THIS WAS THE YEAR I CHOSE TO EMBRACE DELIVERY BEING OUTSIDE OF MOST BOXES.
MOST OF THE TIME, I NATURALLY THOUGHT ABOUT DRONE DELIVERY FIRST, WELL, A LUNCH FOR TWO WAYS ABOUT SEVEN POUNDS AND THAT'S WITHOUT CARE, K CONCLUDED THE ONLY DRAWING CAPABLE OF DELIVERING THAT KIND OF WEIGHT.
IT'S OWNED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE AND THEY WON'T LEASE ONE TO ME.
SO THEN THE NEXT NATURAL THOUGHT WAS, I'LL GET A ROBOT.
SO I STARTED DOING SOME RESEARCH.
AND ABOUT THAT TIME, I SHOOT A QUICK EMAIL OVER TO JIM NOELLE.
HERE WE ARE, UH, 1771 PROHIBITS ME FROM DELIVERING LUNCH TO A HUNGRY FAMILY ON THE BEACH, WHETHER IT'S BY DRONE BOT, SEGWAY, BIKE, OR FOOT.
I UNDERSTAND THE CODE, UNDERSTAND PERHAPS SOME OF THE REASONING FOR IT ON ANY GIVEN SATURDAY, YOU MIGHT SEE ON THE BEACH AND ON THE BOARDWALK COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES, SUCH AS THERE'S EXERCISE CLASSES, TAKING PLACE DOWN THERE.
UH, THERE'S PET TRAINING GROUPS, TWO OR THREE COMPANIES, AT LEAST, UH, PROFESSIONAL PHOTO SHOOTS ON A REGULAR BASIS, WEDDINGS, GRADUATIONS, ET CETERA, GUIDED TOURS ARE PROVIDED ALONG THE BOARDWALK AREA, A RENTAL CONVEYANCES.
UH, YOU CAN RENT SOMETHING AND TAKE IT ON THE BOARDWALK.
UH, YET ANOTHER COMMERCIAL USE OF THE BOARDWALK.
I UNDERSTAND WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE ANY KIND OF CONEY ISLAND ATMOSPHERE AROUND HERE.
I GET THAT EXCEPT PERHAPS ON THE 4TH OF JULY, WHEN I EXPECT TO SEE EVERYBODY AT MY HOT DOG, EATING CONTEST OUTSIDE OF THAT IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO PURSUE EVERY POSSIBLE REVENUE STREAM AVAILABLE TO ME.
1771 STANDS IN MY WAY AS IT'S WRITTEN.
SO I SEEK TO CHANGE THAT AND HOW TO GO ABOUT DOING SO I'D APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION TO THAT.
THANK YOU, MR. MR. COUNTY ATTORNEY, COULD YOU LOOK INTO THIS ORDINANCE AND REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD? I'LL DO THAT.
NEXT SPEAKER I HAVE IS, UH, MR. AC CORDOZA MR. CORDOZA.
YOU CAN COME UP, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
UH, GOOD EVENING BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
I LIVE AT 400 OLD POINT AVENUE IN HAMPTON, AND I'M COMING TO JUST INTRODUCE MYSELF.
I AM RUNNING TO REPRESENT THIS, THIS COUNTY AS WELL AS HAMPTON AND COLSON IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, THE HOUSE OF DELEGATES.
AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO EXTEND A HAND OF, OF, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, I LOOK FORWARD TO REPRESENTING YOU.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT ISSUES I CAN HELP WITH IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO HELP YOUR COUNTY.
AND I'M GOING TO KEEP IT VERY BRIEF.
I'M NOT GOING TO USE MY WHOLE THREE MINUTES.
I'M GOING TO BE HAVING AN EVENT.
I'M GOING TO LEAVE SOME INFORMATION IF THAT'S OKAY ABOUT THAT EVENT, THIS UPDATED, YOU MAY HAVE HEARD ABOUT IT BEFORE, BUT THE DAY SPENT UPDATED FOR PURPOSES OF, FOR SOME TECHNICAL PURPOSES.
SO IF I CAN BE OF ANY ASSISTANCE.
SO IF I CAN JUST GIVE, BE A BUG IN YOUR EAR, OR MAYBE YOU CAN BE A BUG IN MY EAR TELLING ME WHAT I CAN DO FOR YOU, IT WILL BE GREATLY
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APPRECIATED.AND MY WEBSITE IS CORDOZA FOR VIRGINIA.COM AND I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO VISIT AND SEND ME AN EMAIL OR JUST COLLECT MY PHONE NUMBER.
I WILL BE HERE TO GREET EACH OF YOU AFTER THE CONCLUSION OF THIS MEETING.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK MATTERS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD?
[COUNTY ATTORNEY REPORTS AND REQUESTS]
ALL RIGHT.SEEING NONE, NICOLE, ON MR. BARNETT TO GIVE ANY REPORTS OR REMARKS COUNTY ATTORNEY? WELL, THE MAIN THING I'D LIKE TO SAY TO THE BOARD AND, UH, MR. CHAIR USE, HE STARTED TO BEAT ME TO IT.
BUT, UH, AS THE BOARD IS AWARE, WE RECENTLY HIRED AND ACTUALLY THAT POSITION IS BEING UPGRADED TO A NEW DEPUTY COUNTY ATTORNEY.
AND THAT'S MR. RICHARD HILL, WHO YOU INVITED EARLIER TO GIVE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
UH, MR. HILL STARTED WITH US A WEEK AGO YESTERDAY.
HE COMES TO US FROM THE CITY OF RICHMOND CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WHERE HE WAS A SENIOR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY IN THEIR LITIGATION SECTION.
UH, PRIOR TO THAT TIME HAD BEEN A HEARINGS OFFICER OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA FOR MEDICARE OR MEDICAID CASES.
UM, AND, UH, FOR ABOUT A DECADE ACTUALLY, PRIOR TO THAT HAD HIS OWN PRACTICE IN THE WAVES WHERE AREA.
SO I, I KNOW THAT MR. GREEN, UH, HAD MADE HIS ACQUAINTANCE, UH, PREVIOUSLY, UM, AND HE IS WELL ACQUAINTED WITH MANY OF THE, THE, UH, PLAYERS IN THE, UM, LEGAL SYSTEM IN THIS AREA.
WELL, HE SAYS HE IS A PENINSULA PERSON, EVEN THOUGH HE'S BEEN WORKING FOR THE CITY OF RICHMOND, HE'S BEEN LIVING NEARBY ACTUALLY, UM, IN THE WAY HIS BERG AREA, UH, IN KINGSMILL.
AND NOW HIS COMMUTE IS, UH, AS OPPOSED TO AN HOUR OR MORE, AND NOW IS ABOUT 15 OR 20 MINUTES COMING DOWN THE PARKWAY.
SO HE'S, HE SAYS HE'S QUITE, UH, QUITE HAPPY WITH THAT CHANGE OF EVENTS, BUT HE'S HERE.
UH, IF THE BOARD WISHES HIM TO SPEAK, I KNOW THAT THE TIME MAY BE A LITTLE CRITICAL TONIGHT, BUT I TOLD HIM TO BE PREPARED TO SAY SOMETHING.
IF IN CASE THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM HIM, OTHERWISE, PLEASE DROP BY THE OFFICE AT YOUR CONVENIENCE AND MEET HIM PERSONALLY, MR. HILL, IF YOU COULD COME UP AND JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO EVERYONE HERE AND, UH, PLEASE BE BRIEF, GOOD EVENING.
UH, RICHARD HILL, I, UH, AS, UH, MR. BARNETT SAID, I AM FROM THE WILLIAMSBURG AREA, GREW UP IN WILLIAMSBURG, GRADUATED LAFAYETTE HIGH SCHOOL, UH, WASHINGTON AND LEE UNIVERSITY, GEORGE MASON LAW SCHOOL, UH, PRACTICED IN BASICALLY THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE STATE, UH, CAUSE I CLERKED FOR A JUDGE IN SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA AND THEN CAME BACK TO THE PENINSULA WHERE I PRACTICED FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS BEFORE EMBARKING ON GOVERNMENT SERVICE.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING EVER SINCE.
SO I LOOK FORWARD TO TALKING TO ALL OF YOU AND WORKING WITH YOU.
[COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR REPORTS AND REQUESTS]
YOU.ALL RIGHT, MR. MORGAN, ANY REPORTS FROM THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, TWO VERY QUICK AND RELATED POINTS.
UH, ACCORDING TO THE DATA FROM THE BACKS OF THE VIRGINIA PENINSULA TEAM, YOUR COUNTY HAS NOW ACHIEVED THE RATE OF 70% VACCINATIONS FOR OUR, ALL OF OUR ELIGIBLE CITIZENS.
SO WE FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT THAT.
AND, UH, PERHAPS PARTLY BECAUSE OF THAT, UH, WE ARE, SHOULD BE IN A POSITION TO HAVE A MOSTLY NORMAL 4TH OF JULY CELEBRATION.
AT LEAST THAT IS WHAT WE WERE PLANNING ON.
SO FINGERS CROSSED AND HOPEFULLY WE'RE JUST WORRYING ABOUT THE USUAL THUNDERSTORMS AND NOTHING ELSE HERE.
UH, I'M GOING TO PUT THE MATTER PRESENTED, UH, BY THE BOARD TO THE END OF THEIR PUBLIC HEARINGS AND SEEING THAT WE'RE GONE A LITTLE LONG, I'M
[1 Application No. PD-56-21, Triple Feature Associates. Consider adoption of proposedOrdinance No. 21-14 to amend conditions of planned development approval applicable to a 2.1-acre parcel located at 8001 George Washington memorial Highway.]
GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE INTO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS TIME AND OUR SEVEN O'CLOCK HOUR.AND THE FIRST APPLICANT WE HAVE IS, UH, THE TRIPLE FEATURES TRAIL ASSOCIATION.
SO MR. CROSS, IF YOU COULD GIVE US A BRIEF PRESENTATION, EXCUSE ME.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UH, THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST TO AMEND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL APPLICABLE TO PROPERTY LOCATED AT 8,001 ROUTE 17.
THE PROPERTY OUTLINED IN BLUE ON THIS MAP IS AN L-SHAPE PROP, A PARCEL 2.1 ACRES IN THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT OF THE INTERSECTION OF ROUTE 17 FORT EUSTIS BOULEVARD.
IT'S THE PROPERTY BETWEEN, UH, BOJANGLES ON THE CORNER AND THE YORKTOWN ARCH, UH, APARTMENTS THAT YOU CAN SEE TO THE SOUTH AND WEST.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED PDR PLAN DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, UH, AS IS THE ADJACENT YORKTOWN ARCH, UH, APARTMENT PROPERTY, UH, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING ELSE SURROUNDING IT IS OWNED GENERAL BUSINESS.
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ON THE MAP HERE TO THE SOUTH IS, UH, QUARTERS, UH, YOUR COUNTY AND, AND IN WOODSTOWN QUARTERS TO THE WEST, UH, YORKTOWN ARCH, UH, WELL, THIS PROPERTY AND YORKTOWN ARCH, UH, WERE APPROVED.SO REZONING BACK IN 2012 FROM GENERAL TO PDR, UH, YORKTOWN ARCH, UH, THE APPLICATION WAS FOR 92 APARTMENTS, THE YORKTOWN PIECE OF IT.
AND THERE WAS ALSO A COMMERCIAL COMPONENT INVOLVED THIS 2.1 ACRE PARCEL.
SO PART OF THE APPROVAL WAS FOR 15,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE ON THE PARCEL THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.
UH, THE APARTMENTS WERE COMPLETED SEVEN YEARS AGO.
THE 2.1 ACRE COMMERCIAL PARCEL, HOWEVER REMAINS VACANT THE APPROVAL IN 2012 WAS A CHECK TO SEVERAL CONDITIONS SPECIFICALLY APPLICABLE TO THE COMMERCIAL PIECE CONFORMANCE WITH A MASTER PLAN, A CONFORMANCE WITH SOME ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS THAT WERE SUBMITTED WITH THE MASTER PLAN, A MINIMUM OF 15,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL AND OR OFFICE FLOOR.
AND, UH, PERMITTED COMMERCIAL USES WOULD BE THOSE THAT ARE ALLOWED EITHER IN NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS OR LIMITED BUSINESS ZONING DISTRICT PLUS, UH, FOR SPECIFIC GENERAL BUSINESS USES HOUSEHOLD FURNISHINGS, FAST FOOD RESTAURANT, DRUG STORE FURNITURE STORE, UH, TO, UH, CONDITIONS.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN, HAS REQUESTED, BE REMOVED, ARE, UH, CONFORMANCE WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS AND THE MINIMUM A 15,000 SQUARE FOOT REQUIREMENT.
THE, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE, IN THE PHOTO, THE PROPERTY IS UNDEVELOPED AND, UH, VEGETATED, UH, YOU CAN SEE ARE JUST A COUPLE THINGS TO POINT OUT.
UM, THERE IS A, UH, GREENBELT BUFFER REQUIREMENT HERE ALONG FOUR USES BOULEVARD.
SO THIS, UH, IT'S A TREE BUFFER THAT YOU SEE HERE, UH, IS REQUIRED TO RE REMAIN, WHICH KIND OF LIMITS THE VISIBILITY OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, OF COURSE THE PROPERTY IS ALONG ROUTE 17.
AND SO ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THIS, UH, LA LAND IS GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO THE ROUTE 17 CORRIDOR OVERLAY, UH, REQUIREMENTS RELATING TO ARCHITECTURE, DESIGN COLORS, THINGS LIKE THAT, JUST A COUPLE OF PICTURES.
THIS IS SOME OF THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, UH, AND THIS IS, UH, ALONG THE FRONT, UH, FORT EUSTIS BOULEVARD FRONTAGE.
UH, YOU CAN SEE YORKTOWN OURS HERE IN THE BACKGROUND.
YOU CAN SEE THE WOODED BUFFER ALONG FORT USES BOULEVARD IN THAT STRIP OF LAND BETWEEN THE ENTRANCE ROAD, UM, AND THE, UH, AND FORT EUSTIS BOULEVARD.
THE ACCESS TO THE PARCEL IS KIND OF A TRICKY BECAUSE THERE'S NO ACTUAL DIRECT ACCESS TO EITHER 17 OR FORT EUSTIS.
UH, EVEN THOUGH IT'S GOT FRONTAGE ON BOTH ROADS, YOU HAVE TO TURN OFF ONTO ONE OF THESE, UH, DRIVEWAY ENTRANCES, UH, TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN THE, UH, THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING FROM THE OTHER ANGLE, I BELIEVE THIS IS THE NORTHWEST, UH, CORNER, AND YOU CAN SEE THE LITTLE, THE ACCESS ROAD HERE, UH, IN THE FOREGROUND.
AND THIS IS THE MASTER PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2012.
THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN MARKETING THE PROPERTY SINCE TRYING TO MARKET THE PROPERTY SINCE 2012.
UH, HE HAS INDICATED THAT THERE HAVE BEEN NO PROSPECTS.
THERE IS JUST NOBODY WHO WANTS A 2.1 ACRE PIECE OF PARCEL.
HE INDICATED THAT HE HAS HAD, UH, PROSPECTS WHO WERE INTERESTED IN SUBDIVIDED AND MAYBE CUTTING OFF CARVING OFF A HALF ACRE OR ONE ACRE PIECE.
UH, BUT NOBODY WANTS TO DEVELOP, UH, THE 2.1 ACRE PIECE AS A WHOLE.
NO, THIS IS THE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2012.
THAT'S, UH, W UH, THE APPLICANT IS CURRENTLY REQUIRED TO ADHERE TO, IT WAS KIND OF A COOL CONCEPT, ALTHOUGH IT'S PROVEN TO BE A KIND OF IMPRACTICAL.
UH, THE REASON FOR THE RENDERINGS WAS REALLY, UH, TO SORT OF TIE THE COMMERCIAL PIECE INTO THE ADJACENT YORKTOWN ARCH, UH, DEVELOPMENT FOR RIDING A SORT OF A UNIFORM DEFINED DESIGN SCHEME.
AND THAT WAS, UH, BASICALLY TO, UH, TO, UH, ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF THE CONSISTENCY OF THIS PROJECT WITH THE, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, DESIGNATED A MIXED USE OVERLAY DESIGNATION, OR IT STILL DOES AROUND THE INTERSECTION OF 17 AND 1 0 5.
SO THE FEELING WAS, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS NOT A TRUE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, UH, HAVING COMMERCIAL, UH, ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL WITH A UNIFORM ARCHITECTURAL SCHEME, UH, IT WAS KIND OF, UH, FELT TO BE CONSISTENT, UH, WITH THE, UH, THE, THE MIXED USE OVERLAY DESIGNATION.
UH, HOWEVER IT HAS PROVEN TO BE A STUMBLING BLOCK IN TERMS OF, UH, TRYING TO MARKET THE PROPERTY.
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OF THE, UH, COMMERCIAL, UH, ARCHITECTURE.I MENTIONED, UH, THE PROPERTY HAS A NUMBER OF DEVELOPMENT CONSTRAINTS.
UH, VISIBILITY IS LIMITED, UH, ADD TO THAT THE WEAK COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE MARKET.
UH, AND, UH, WE FEEL THAT, UH, UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, UH, TO REMOVE SOME OF THESE STOMACH BLOCKS, SO WE CAN PUT THIS PROPERTY, GET PROPERTY DEVELOPED, COMMERCIALLY PUT ON THE TAX ROLLS, UH, IS A REASONABLE ONE.
I MENTIONED THE GREENBELT BUFFER AND ROUTE 17 REQUIREMENTS, WHICH WILL HELP TO ADDRESS, UH, AESTHETICS OF WHATEVER GETS DEVELOPED OUT THERE.
AND SO WITH THAT, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL THROUGH THE ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE 21 DASH 14 PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, CONSIDERED THIS APPLICATION BACK, UH, MAY 12TH, I THINK, AND VOTED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
THE APPLICANT, UH, MIKE MOSS STELLAR IS HERE TO SPEAK ON HIS BEHALF, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE FOR ME.
ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS, MR. RON, REAL QUICK, JUST LOOKING OVER THE, UH, THE RESOLUTION, WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE VERBIAGE CORRECTLY.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING IN THE RESOLUTION THAT CHANGES THE REQUIREMENT THAT THIS PROPERTY BE DEVELOPED AS COMMERCIAL.
NO, IT WILL HAVE TO BE DEVELOPED AS COMMERCIAL AND SUBJECT TO THOSE TWO, UH, UH, TWO ZONING CATEGORIES.
I MENTIONED, PLUS THE FORD GBU SAYS THAT DOES NOT CHANGE.
UM, TIM, I'M TRYING TO THINK BACK TO 2012, AT THE TIME WE STARTED COMING UP, IT WAS, UH, SOMEWHERE IN, IN FRONT OF THIS, WE WERE WENT INTO RECESSION AND WE STARTED DIGGING OUR WAYS OUT, SLOWLY DIGGING OUR WAY OUT ABOUT THIS TIME.
AND, UH, BEFORE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING WAS GOING GREAT GUNS, IT WAS BUILDING EVERYWHERE.
AND WHAT WE HAD IS THE IDEA THAT, OKAY, WE'LL HAVE THESE COMMUNITIES DEVELOP AND THEY'LL EITHER HAVE BUILDINGS IN THEM WITH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LIVE IN ABOVE THE BUILDING, LIKE THE OLD DAYS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO I LOOK AT THIS NOW 10 YEARS, ALMOST 10 YEARS LATER, AND I'M SITTING THERE THINKING HOW IN THE WORLD WE EVER THINK THIS WAS GOING TO SUCCEED WHEN IT'S NOT ON A MAIN DRIVE.
I MEAN, WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO BEEN THINKING THAT THE TERM THAT, THAT, UH, BUILDING COMMERCIALLY WAS SO AGGRESSIVE THAT PEOPLE WERE LIKE UP IN MAYBE DC OR, UH, IN FAIRFAX COUNTY WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR ANY COMMERCIAL SPACE, THEY CAN PUT FOLKS IN.
AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE? WAS THAT SORT OF THE ENVIRONMENT WE WERE IN AT THE TIME? UH, WELL, UH, THIS, UH, SHE WOULD SAY WE WERE COMING OUT OF THE RECESSION.
UM, THIS WAS, UH, GOING BACK TO 2012.
UH, WE CREATED THE PDMU THAT MIXED USE ORDINANCE, UH, UH, AROUND 2010 OR SO.
AND THAT'S WHEN WE HAD THE FIRST ONE APPROVED NELSON'S GRANT.
AND THEN THE FOLLOWING YEAR, UH, WE HAD THE YORKTOWN CRESCENT, UH, WHICH WAS APPROVED JUST FURTHER, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN FORT EUSTIS BOULEVARD.
UM, AND I THINK THERE MIGHT'VE BEEN, UH, SOME SENSE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WOULD CREATE A, SORT OF A CRITICAL MASS AROUND THIS, UH, INTERSECTION.
UH, AGAIN, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT 2.1 ACRE, SO IT'S NOT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT, UH, OF, OF LAND THE, AS FAR AS THE 15,000 SQUARE FEET, THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY CAME UP WITH.
UH, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT JUST PUT IN THE APPLICATION.
UH, THEY VOLUNTEERED, THEY THAT'S WHAT THEY APPLIED FOR.
UH, AND IN FACT, THAT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY MORE THAN OUR MAKESHIFT THAT OUR MIXED JUICE ORDINANCE WOULD HAVE REQUIRED IF THEY HAD COME IN FOR MIXED USE ZONING.
THE MIXED USE ORDINANCE WOULD HAVE ONLY REQUIRED 11,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH WOULD BE THREE FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS, BASICALLY.
UH, SO THERE'S NOTHING MAGICAL ABOUT 15,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND, UH, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S TOO MUCH.
UH, IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION.
UM, I MEAN, IF THERE HAD BEEN, I MEAN, I THINK THE BASIC CONCEPT WAS THAT SOMEBODY WOULD COME AND DEVELOP THE WHOLE THING, THE WHOLE PIECE AS ONE SORT OF LIKE BOULEVARD CROSSING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF FOUR USES OF BOULEVARD, STRIP CENTER, A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, ALSO A 2.1 ACRE PARCEL.
UM, BUT IT HASN'T HAPPENED FOR VARIETY OF REASONS.
AND THE APPLICANT CAN GIVE YOU MORE DETAIL ABOUT HIS EFFORTS, UH, THAN I CAN.
I JUST, I, I JUST THE BOARD, UM, OVER THE YEARS, I MEAN, WE'VE TRIED TO DO, TO BE SMART ABOUT THIS.
WE TRY TO DO GET COMMERCIAL IN THERE AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS BUILDINGS EMPTY
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EVERYWHERE.AND IT JUST, I MEAN, THIS IS THE NATURE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING.
I MEAN, THE PANDEMIC HAS GOT US WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE NOW COMMUTING FROM HOME AND, AND, UH, OR, UM, TELECOMMUTING.
AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, WE'RE GOING TO DIVIDE IT UP OR WE'LL PROVE IT.
I MEAN, IT'S ANYTHING TO HELP THESE GUYS DO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO, AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE, IT WAS A GOOD QUESTION YOU HAD ABOUT MAKING IT, KEEPING IT COMMERCIAL, BUT IN THIS THING, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND THE DESIGN AND THE STUFF THAT'S LAID OUT IN THE, IN THE RADIOHEAD, MY SENSE WAS THAT HE COULD BE DEVELOPED IN SMALLER, MUCH SMALLER COMMUNITY DRIVEN TYPE OF STRUCTURE.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW, DON'T, DON'T, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO 15,000 SQUARE FEET YELL, OR HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING MUCH SMALLER THAN THAT NOW.
SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO, IF WE APPROVE THIS TONIGHT, WILL WE BE LIMITING THAT THIS, THE SIZE OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO? WE NO MAXIMUM, NO MINIMUM AS FAR AS FLORIDA? NO.
SO THEY HAVE, THEN THERE'LL BE OPEN COMMERCIAL BILL, WHAT THEY WANT IN THERE.
BECAUSE I GOT A FEELING WE'RE GOING TO BE SEEING MORE OF THIS, UH, AS TIME GOES ON.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, MS. SNOW, WHERE YOU WERE ON THE BOARD BACK THEN, YES.
WELL, I THINK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, WE WANT WALKABLE COMMUNITIES.
WE WANTED, WE WANTED THEM TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME SHOPS CLOSE BY AND GET PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR AUTOMOBILES IF YOU WILL.
AND THERE WAS SOME CONCERN BECAUSE OF THE WHOLE PROPERTY, 12, 11 ACRES WAS ZONED GENERAL BUSINESS.
UH, YOU HAD A MAJOR INTERSECTION AND THERE WAS A GENERAL SENSE THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE UP ALL COMMERCIAL OPPORTUNITIES IN THAT QUADRANT OF THE INTERSECTION.
SO THE FEELING WAS, UH, SET ASIDE THE, YOU KNOW, THE 11 ACRE P NINE ACRE PIECE FOR THE 92 APARTMENTS LEAVE, UH, 2.1 ACRES HERE, THE WAY IT'S LAID OUT, UH, AS COMMERCIAL AND AGAIN, AT STRENGTHENS THE ARGUMENT, UH, THAT THE APPLICATION WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN.
UH, SO I THINK ALL THOSE, ALL THOSE THINGS FACTORED INTO IT.
IN FACT, IN THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION, THIS PIECE WASN'T EVEN INCLUDED.
IT WAS A REVIT, THEY SUBMITTED A REVISED APPLICATION THAT ADDED THIS PIECE.
THEY JUST WANTED THE 92 ACRE PIECE, BUT MR. MOSTAFA, SO YOU SITTING IN THE, UH, IN THE AUDIENCE THERE, I CAN GIVE YOU 10 MINUTES TO SPEAK AS THE APPLICANT, OR I CAN GIVE YOU THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WELL, I I'LL HAVE YOU I'LL HAVE YOU SPEAK AS THE APPLICANT NOW, AND THEN I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, OKAY.
IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
1 0 9 LAKE VIEW DRIVE TO ATLANTA, VIRGINIA.
MY ADDRESS, UM, I AM ONE OF THE TWO GENERAL PARTNERS OF TRIPLE FEATURE ASSOCIATES, WHICH IS THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY.
UH, IT'S A 50 YEAR OLD PARTNERSHIP THAT MY FATHER AND HARRY WATSON PUT TOGETHER.
THEY HAD ABOUT 75 ACRES OF LAND IN NEWPORT NEWS AND YOUR COUNTY, AND ALL THAT REMAINS TODAY IS THIS 2.1 ACRE SITE.
AND SO WE, WE HAVE, WE STARTED OFF WITH TWO GENERAL PARTNERS IN THE 16 LIMITED PARTNERS.
WE NOW HAVE TWO GENERAL PARTNERS, WHICH I'M WANT AND 36 LIMITED PARTNERS.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE ORIGINAL LIMITED PARTNERS PASSED AWAY AND, YOU KNOW, GAVE IT TO THEIR CHILDREN AND SO FORTH.
SO IT'S, IT'S AN OLD ENTITY THAT NE WE NEED TO SELL THIS PIECE, SEND EVERYBODY A CHECK AND, YOU KNOW, BE DONE.
UM, SO REMOVING THIS 15,000 SQUARE FEET WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL, I THINK, IN THE MARKETING AND SALE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
AND JUST FOR YOUR EDUCATION, THE BUYER OF THIS SITE, IT WAS 11 ACRES.
WE PUT IT ON A CONTRACT TO THE BREEDING COMPANY.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT DEVELOP THE APARTMENT PROJECT.
AND THEY HAD THE WHOLE SITE ON CONTRACT, INCLUDING THE TWO ACRES OF COMMERCIAL WENT ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH THEIR DUE DILIGENCE.
THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, THERE'S NO MARKET FOR COMMERCIAL.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BUY THE TWO ACRES.
SO WE GOT STUCK WITH THE TWO ACRES.
IT WAS THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND ALL THOSE PRETTY PICTURES OF THAT.
YOU JUST SAW, WE DIDN'T COME UP WITH, THOSE WERE NOT DEVELOPERS.
THEY CAME UP WITH ALL THOSE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE ENDED UP HAVING WHEN THEY DIDN'T CLOSE ON THE TWO ACRES.
I JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT, BUT I APPRECIATE ANY HELP YOU CAN GIVE US.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO.
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THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.DOES ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? SEE NONE.
I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANY ONE WHO WISHES TO MOVE? I'LL MOVE NOW.
ADAM CLARK OCEAN HAS BEEN MADE BY MR. SHEPHERD TO MOVE ORDINANCE 2114.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. SHEPHERD IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 21 DASH 14, TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED MR. ZAREMBA ARGUMENTS MADE BY THE STAFF.
[2 Application No. UP-965-21, Omer Art Inc. Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R2184 to approve an application for a major expansion of a legally conforming convenience store/gas station located at 7305 George Washington memorial Highway (Route 17).]
YES.WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS OMAR ART INCORPORATED.
MR. CROSS, IF YOU COULD GIVE US A BRIEF PRESENTATION.
UH, THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION IS FOR EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING CONVENIENCE STORE GAS STATION LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF ROUTE 17 AND WHITE'S ROAD.
IT IS CHESTER'S CONVENIENCE STORE, FORMERLY KNOWN AS APPEASE.
I BELIEVE IT MIGHT'VE BEEN A LITTLE SUE AT SOME TIME, UH, IN THE PAST, BUT, UH, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED GENERAL BUSINESS, UH, AS IS ALMOST ALL THE PROPERTY AROUND IT.
THE, UH, EXISTING STORE WAS ACTUALLY BUILT IN 1979 AND THESE USE, UH, GAS STATIONS AND CONVENIENCE STORES WERE PERMITTED BY RIGHT BACK THEN.
SO NO USE PERMIT WAS WORK HARD TODAY.
UH, IT REQUIRES IT WOULD REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
SO IT IS WHAT WE CALL A LEGALLY CONFORMING SPECIAL USE, WHICH MEANS THAT WITH RESPECT TO ANY EXPANSION, WE TREAT IT AS IF THERE IS A USE PERMIT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO SOON AS THE EXPANSION IS GREATER THAN 25% FLOOR AREA, IT REQUIRES A MAJOR AMENDMENT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS PLANNING COMMISSION BOARD WITH PUBLIC HEARINGS.
THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH IS THE STORE MORE FIVE MINI STORAGE WAREHOUSE FACILITY AND CONTRACTOR SHOP.
THERE'S A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOME TO THE WEST, SEPARATED FROM THIS PROPERTY BY A 45 FOOT WIDE UNDEVELOPED GB PARCEL.
AND YOU CAN SEE ANOTHER SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED HOME, UH, TO THE SOUTH ACROSS WHITES ROAD.
UH, THE EXISTING STORE IS ABOUT 2200 SQUARE FEET.
THE PROPOSED EXPANSION IS ABOUT 1300 SQUARE FEET.
ABOUT 60% INCREASE IN, UH, A FLOOR AREA, NO CHANGE TO THE GAS PUMPS.
THEY HAVE TWO GAS PUMPS AND THAT'S GONNA REMAIN, UH, HERE'S THE, UH, BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A VEGETATIVE BUFFER BEHIND THE EXISTING STORE.
AND PLUS YOU'VE GOT, UH, VEGETATION ON UNDEVELOPED GBPS TO THE WEST OF IT.
AND YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE MINI STORAGE FACILITY.
THERE IS A CROSS CONNECTION HERE BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES THAT THE BOARD APPROVED MANY YEARS AGO TO ALLOW, UH, ACCESS BETWEEN THOSE TWO, UH, DEVELOPMENTS AND THEN THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH.
IT WAS A FORMER GAS STATION, UH, CURRENTLY VACANT, UH, VIEW FROM ROUTE 17, UH, CONVENIENCE STORE AND ZOOMING IN, UH, THIS IS WHERE THE ACTUAL EXPANSION WOULD TAKE PLACE, UH, IN THIS, UH, GREEN AREA BETWEEN THE EXISTING STORE AND THE MINI STORAGE FACILITY.
AND, UH, THERE'S THE MINI STORES.
AND THERE'S THE CROSS CONNECTION THAT I MENTIONED.
AND THEN, UH, IT'S JUST THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORE SEEING FROM WHITES ROAD.
SO, UH, THIS IS THE SITE AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS.
AND, UH, HERE'S THE SITE PLAN, THE SKETCH PLAN THAT'S SUBMITTED WITH THIS APPLICATION, UH, JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW THINGS.
UH, THIS, UH, IS THE AREA WHERE THE BUILDING WOULD BE EXPANDING OVER ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
UH, THEY WOULD BE, THEY WERE CURRENTLY TWO.
I ENTRANCES TO THIS PROPERTY ON, ON ROUTE 17 AND ONE ON WHITE'S ROAD.
UH, IT'S NOT A GOOD SITUATION, SAFETY WISE, IT DOESN'T MEET, UH, VL REQUIREMENTS AND IT'S TOO CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION.
SO ONE OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE MAKING, IF THIS IS APPROVED IS, UH, TURNING THAT, UH, ROUTE 17 ENTRANCE INTO A ONE-WAY ONLY.
SO THAT ELIMINATES THE PEOPLE COMING OUT DIRECTLY ONTO ROUTE 17 FROM THE SITE, UH, RIGHT THERE NEXT TO THE, UH, NEXT TO THE INTERSECTION.
IT'S NOT A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION.
UH, THERE IS, UH, I MENTIONED A TWO WAY ENTRANCE EXIT ON WHITE'S ROAD THAT WOULD REMAIN
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THE, UH, THEY WOULD BE ADDING, UH, RECONFIGURING THE PARKING LOT, UH, TO, UH, ACCOMMODATE BOTH THE ENTRANCE AND THE PARKING THAT'S REQUIRED.UH, THIS WOULD RESULT IN MORE GREEN AREA TO THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH WE LIKE TO SEE A FRONT LANDSCAPE YARD MINIMUM IS 20 FEET CURRENTLY, BUT, UH, UH, IN MOST PLACES, THIS PROPERTY DOES NOT CURRENTLY MEET THAT.
UH, IF THE, UH, IF THE PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED AS SHOWN ON THE SKETCH PLAN, UH, YOU WOULD BE, YOU ALREADY ACTUALLY EXCEED THE MINIMUM FRONT YARD, UH, FRONT LANDSCAPE YARD REQUIREMENT.
UH, AND YOU'D ALSO HAVE THE 20 FOOT FRONT YARD, UH, ON WHITES ROADS SINCE IT'S A CORNER LOT, THERE ARE TWO FRONT YARDS.
UM, THERE WAS CURRENTLY, UH, NO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ON THE SITE.
IT'S JUST OVERLAND SHEET FLOW.
THE WATER GOES WHEREVER IT GOES.
UH, AS PART OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THEY WOULD BE PUTTING IN A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, A SYSTEM OF, UH, GRASS SWALES, OR, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, GRASS SWALES AND A CONCRETE SWALE, UH, THAT WOULD CHANNEL THE RAINWATER FLOW TO THE ROADSIDE DITCHES ON 17 AND WHITE'S ROAD.
THERE WERE, UH, NOT TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF CLEARING IN THIS, UH, GREEN AREA BEHIND THE SITE.
SO IT'S CURRENTLY ABOUT 55 FEET WIDE BACK THERE, AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO CLEAR INTO THAT BY ABOUT 15 FEET.
SO YOU WOULD STILL HAVE ABOUT 30 FEET OF A BUFFER AREA, UH, TO BEHIND THE CONVENIENCE STORE AND TO THE WEST PLUS THE 45 FEET ON THAT ADJACENT PARCEL.
UH, THE, UH, THEY WILL ALSO BE TAKING THE PROPERTY OFF OF SEPTIC.
UH, THERE'S A SEPTIC SYSTEM, RIGHT, WHERE THE RIGHT WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING THE AFRICANS PROPOSING TO EXPAND THE BUILDING.
SO, UH, THAT'S GOOD FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT, UH, THEY'RE GONNA BE, UH, WE'RE GOING TO BE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABANDONING THE SEPTIC SYSTEM AND, UM, UH, PUTTING IN A GRINDER, UH, PUMP SYSTEM, UH, THAT WILL, UH, CONNECT TO THE FORCE MAIN ON WHITES ROAD.
UH, THESE ARE THE TRAFFIC COUNTS, UH, UH, ESTIMATED PROJECTED A LOT OF USES LIKE THIS.
A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC, AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT IS PASSED BY TRAFFIC TRAFFIC.
THAT'S ALREADY IN THE TRAFFIC STREAM.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE PROJECTED NUMBER OF TRIPS AND THE PEAK HOURS, AND THEN THE PROJECTED NUMBER OF NEW TRIPS, 21 IN THE AM, 26 IN THE PM.
AND THIS, THESE DON'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO OUR REQUIREMENTS FOR REQUIRING A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
I MENTIONED, UH, THE ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS, UH, THAT, THAT, UH, WOULD RESULT FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, UH, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, UH, ELIMINATION OF THE SEPTIC SYSTEM.
TRAFFIC SAFETY WOULD BE IMPROVED WITH THE ONE WAY ENTRANCE.
UH, WE DON'T THINK THE PROJECT WOULD HAVE ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS.
AND SO WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE CONDITION CONDITIONS IN OUR 21 DASH 84 PLANNING COMMISSION CONSIDERED, UH, THE APPLICATION BACK AT APRIL 14TH AND VOTED FIVE ONE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
I DON'T SEE THE APPLICANT HERE.
UH, I KNOW THAT HE GOT CAUGHT UP IN KIND OF A COVID SITUATION OUT OF THE COUNTRY.
SO HE WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S BACK IN THE UNITED STATES OR NOT.
I THOUGHT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BACK BY NOW, BUT, UM, SO I CAN'T, I DON'T.
SO I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
YOU MIGHT HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. CROSSMAN SNOW? NO QUESTIONS, MR. RAMBO.
FIRST OF ALL, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO SEE ALL THE NUMBER OF IMPROVEMENTS TO THE, TO THE SITES, AND USUALLY ONLY TO SEE THAT MANY, THAT MANY IMPROVEMENTS IN FOR ONE PLAN.
SO THAT'S GOOD TO SEE, UH, TWO, TWO QUESTIONS.
FIRST QUESTION, IS THIS AN EXTENSION OF THE EXISTENCE STORE, OR IS THIS GOING TO BE A STOREFRONT? THIS WILL BE A BUILDING ADDITION OF, UH, ONTO THE STORE.
THE APPLICANT HAS TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY RENTING THAT OUT TO SOME OTHER RETAIL USE THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED IN GB.
UH, IF HE WERE TO DO THAT, UM, OBVIOUSLY, UH, IT WOULD HAVE TO, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT THE PARKING CAN ACCOMMODATE AND IT'S PERMITTED IN GENERAL BUSINESS.
AND THAT WAS GONNA BE MY SECOND QUESTION.
DOES THIS ADDITION DRIVE ANY CHANGES OR HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE EXISTING PARKING ON THE PROPERTY? BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY LIMITED AS IT IS FOR YOU.
SO THEY'RE REDESIGNING THE WHOLE PARKING LOT, UH, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE ADDING PARKING AND, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, UH, EIGHT ABOUT 18 SPACES ARE REQUIRED YOU OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, THE LINES YOU CAN BARELY SEE THEM.
AND SOME PEOPLE JUST PARK, YOU KNOW, IN STRANGE, STRANGE PLACES.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE A BUNCH OF BETTER DEFINED, UH, PARKING LOT, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE EXPANDING IT TO ACCOMMODATE THE BUILDING EXPANSION.
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MR. SHEPHERD.UH, MS. CROSS, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, ACCORDING TO MR. MORGAN'S LETTER TO US, UH, RECOMMENDED A SOIL SAMPLE.
HE, UM, AND I'M NOT QUITE SURE I UNDERSTAND IT.
THERE, THERE'S NO TANK INVOLVED HERE, RIGHT? THE COMMISSIONER, UH, RECOMMENDED THAT THERE BE A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY DO SOME KIND OF SOIL CONTAMINATION ANALYSIS.
AND OUR RESPONSE TO THAT WAS, AS YOU SAY, YOU'RE NOT PROPOSING TO DISTURB THE TANKS OR DO ANYTHING WITH THEM.
SO WE DIDN'T SEE ANY NEXUS BETWEEN SUCH A CONDITION AND WHAT THE APPLICANT IS QUESTIONING.
I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE.
SO IT WAS SOME RATIONALE BEHIND THAT RECOMMENDATION, BUT, OKAY.
SO IT'S NOT PART OF OUR RESOLUTION.
IT'S NOT PART OF YOUR RESOLUTION.
MR. CROSS, I'VE RECEIVED SEVERAL CALLS OVER THE YEARS FROM THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY CONCERNING DIFFERENT THINGS, MAINLY HIS SIGN OF THE INGRESS AND EGRESS HAS THAT BEEN ADDRESSED.
UH, HE WAS WORRIED ABOUT HIS SIGNAGE.
THERE'S CONSTANTLY ISSUES WITH WHETHER IT'S A TEMPORARY SIGN OR A PERMANENT SIGN.
UH, AND I WAS WONDERING IF THIS DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE PLAN DEALT WITH HIS SIGNAGE, THESE, THE, THE SITE PLAN DOES NOT ADDRESS SIGNAGE, UH, AT ALL.
UM, UH, WHEN I WAS OUT THERE NEVER SEEMED TO BE QUITE A LOT OF TEMPORARY SIGNAGE, UH, INCLUDING SIGNAGE ON THE PROPERTY, ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH IS REALLY NOT QUITE APPROPRIATE.
UH, BUT I, HE HAS NOT, UH, COMMUNICATED TO ME, UH, ANY OF THOSE CONCERNS.
UH, SO I, WE NEVER, YOU KNOW, WE NEVER REALLY DISCUSSED IT.
AND SO IT'S NOT REALLY, IT'S NOT ADDRESSED IN HIS APPLICATION.
THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
UH, AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DOES ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS MEMBERS OF THE BOARD?
UM, MR. TITUS WAS THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSIONER WHO ACTUALLY VOTED AGAINST THIS.
AND HE WAS ALSO THE ONE THAT RAISED THE ISSUE ON ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS.
I HAD RAISED THE SAME QUESTION AS A CITIZEN COMMENT INTO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, BOTH OF US IRONICALLY HAVE HAD EXPERIENCE DEALING WITH, UH, CONTAMINATED SOIL IN, UH, IN OUR PAST, UH, MYSELF IN A REFINING INDUSTRY.
AND MR. TITUS, I BELIEVE IT WAS AN ARMY SITE.
HE HAD TO DEAL WITH, UH, REMEDIATION OF, UH, UNDERGROUND, UH, CONTAMINATION.
WE'RE NOT SO MUCH WORRIED ABOUT THE GAS PUMP OR THE EXPANSION OF THIS BUILDING.
IT'S THE FACT THAT YOU ARE TAKING A SEPTIC SYSTEM OUT OF SERVICE.
AND, AND IT IS THE LOW POINT ON THIS, ON THIS LAND.
IT IS THE POINT WHERE IF THERE IS A HYDROCARBON LEAK FROM ANY OF YOUR UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS, IT'S GOING TO MAKE ITS WAY TO THE SEPTIC SYSTEM.
WE WANTED PROPER SOIL SAMPLING DONE BY THIRD PARTY TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS NO EXISTING CONTAMINATION PROBLEM ON THAT SITE BEFORE YOU BUILD ON IT.
UM, THE CHAIRMAN DIDN'T FEEL IT WAS CONSISTENT BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T TOUCHING THE GAS TANKS.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THE GAS TANKS, BUT I WANT TO KNOW IF THOSE GAS TANKS ARE LEAKING AND WHERE THAT LEAK IS GOING TO SHOW UP IS AT THE LOW POINT, WHEREAS WHERE YOUR SEPTIC TANKS AND LEACH FIELD ARE, WE'RE ASKING FOR, UH, THIS PROPOSAL TO HAVE WITH IT, A SOIL, UH, PROPER CELL SAMPLING, UH, CONDITION ADDED TO THE, UH, TO THE REQUESTS SO THAT WE KNOW WHEN WE'RE BUILDING THAT, UH, EXPANSION ONTO THE BUILDING.
WE DON'T HAVE A CONTAMINATION PROBLEM BENEATH IT.
ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK TO THE APPLICATION? ALL RIGHT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, THE CONCERN I'M NOT OVERLY, PARTICULARLY, I'M NOT OVERLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE GAS TANK, BUT UNDERSTANDING THE, UM, THE ISSUE IN TERMS OF, UH, UM, THE STATE HAS REGULATIONS ABOUT THIS.
I MEAN, UH, BUT I DON'T, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE REGULATION.
AND MY SENSE IS THAT IF YOU WERE TO CLOSE A GAS STATION, YOU HAD TO DIG UP THE TANK.
AND, UH, AND THERE, I KNOW IN SOME OF THE SEWER SYSTEMS, UH, THERE'S A, EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN'T SEE THEM, THERE'S A SCHEDULED CHECK THAT HAS TO BE DONE TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE NOT LEAKING, RIGHT.
SO WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? SO, UM, THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY HAS AN UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANK PROGRAM, WHICH THIS GAS STATION AND ALL GAS STATIONS IN THE COUNTY FUEL FACILITIES ARE ALL SUBJECT TO.
SO, UM, WE WOULD NOT TYPICALLY AS A COUNTY GET
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INTO IMPOSING THIS TYPE OF REGULATION BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY OUR PROGRAM IN TERMS OF, UM, THE GENTLEMAN'S COMMENT ABOUT THE SEPTIC SYSTEM CLOSING.I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, BRIAN WOULD KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT GENERALLY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, UH, REGULATES SEPTIC SYSTEMS. AND BRIAN, I WOULD ASSUME THAT AS PART OF DISCONNECTING THAT AND CONNECTING TO THE COUNTY SEWER SYSTEM, THERE WOULD BE SOME TYPE OF HEALTH AND SAFETY, UH, PROCESS.
BUT I WOULDN'T, I'M NOT REALLY KNOWLEDGEABLE ENOUGH TO, TO SAY ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR, WOULD YOU KNOW HOW THAT WORKS? YEAH.
AS PART OF THE BUILDING PROCESS, THE SEPTIC SYSTEM WON'T BE ABANDONED PROPERLY.
AND DEPENDING ON HOW THE EXPANSION IS DESIGNED, TYPICALLY WHEN WE CONVERT A PROPERTY FROM SEPTIC TO SANITARY SEWER, YOU CRUSHED THE TOP OF THE SEPTIC TANK.
YOU HAVE TO PUMP OUT ALL THE CONTENTS FILLING IN WITH SAND OR A CONCRETE SLURRY.
BUT IN THIS CASE, SINCE THE BUILDING IS GOING OVER TOP OF IT, THE WHOLE SYSTEM WRAP HALF BE REMOVED AND SELECT FIELD PUT BACK IN.
UM, AND THEN THE BUILDING INSPECTORS FROM THE BUILDING SAFETY OFFICE, WE HAVE TO INSPECT IT AND MAKE SURE THAT THE SOILS AND THE FOUNDATION CAN SUPPORT TO THE NEW STRUCTURE.
UM, BUT ALL THAT WOULD BE INSPECTED DURING THE DEMOLITION OF THE SEPTIC SYSTEM.
SO IT WAS CLUES SOME TYPE OF SOIL SAMPLE.
THE COUNTY DOES NOT CONDUCT A SOIL SAMPLES.
NOW WE JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE CONTENTS ARE PUMPED OUT OF THE SEPTIC TANK BEFORE IT'S ABANDONED OR FILLED IN.
WE DO THIS FOR HOMES, UH, IN, UH, WHEN THEY BUILD, UH, BUSINESSES OR SUBDIVISIONS OR WHATEVER, AND DEAD AIR ON SEPTIC SYSTEMS, THEY GO IN AND THEY HAVE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY REMOVED THE WHOLE CONTENT.
SO I, THE SEPTIC SYSTEM, THE FLOW FIELD, UM, IS NOT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT A BIG MEAN TO ME.
IT'S NOT A BIG QUESTION BECAUSE YOU THINK THAT IT WOULD DO A, BUILD A BUILDING IN THAT SITE.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE OUT THE TOP SOIL ANYWAY.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, WELL, LET ME GET A QUESTION HERE IS THAT THIS TANK SIDE, WHAT ABOUT THE GASOLINE TANK? THEY'VE GOT GASOLINE DOWN THERE? WELL, MY UNDERSTANDING THE GASOLINE TANKS ARE NOT BEING TOUCHED AS PART OF THIS RENOVATION.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE POINT DIDN'T WE HAVE AN ISSUE.
I MEAN, YEARS AGO DOWN A WATER STREET DOWN BY THE BRIDGE.
IT USED TO BE A GAS STATION DOWN THERE.
AND, UH, ALL WAS SAID AND DONE FAST THINGS WERE NOT REMOVED.
YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORY ABOUT THAT.
I THINK I WAS IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AT THAT TIME.
I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL A LONG TIME AGO.
WELL, THE POINT IS, IF, IF THERE, IF IT WAS A GAS STATION AND THERE WERE FUEL UNDER THE GROUND, ARE WE CONCERNED ABOUT POTENTIAL LEAKAGE? ABSOLUTELY.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE REGULATIONS THEY WAS, MR. MORGAN WAS SAYING WHEN A GAS STATION DOES CLOSE DOWN, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO REMOVE THE TANKS.
WHO DOES THAT INSPECTIONS, UM, DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL FIRE, FIRE LIFE SAFETY IS INVOLVED IN THAT INSPECTION ALSO ALONG WITH DEQ, BUT IS THERE A NORMAL, UM, REGULAR SCHEDULED, UM, INSPECTION FOR LEAKAGE IN THESE GAS STATIONS? OR IS THAT AD HOC? NO, IT'S, IT'S REGULAR INSPECTION AND ALL THE TANKS ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE MONITORING SYSTEMS, A LEAK DETECTION SYSTEM.
SO THEY KNOW WHEN THE TANKS ARE LEAKING AND THEY ARE INSPECTED REGULARLY BY THE DEQ.
SO WOULDN'T THE SOIL SAMPLE ISSUE BECOME A ISSUE IF THERE WAS A CHANGE IN OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY OR A CHANGE IN USE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY DECIDED TO BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR APARTMENTS WHERE PEOPLE WOULD BE LIVING, NOT NECESSARILY A BUSINESS WHERE PEOPLE POP IN FOR TWO MINUTES AND ARE, ARE BACK ON THE ROAD, WOULD THAT BE A CORRECT? UH, MR. GREEN? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
AND A LOT OF TIMES WHAT, UH, PUBLIC WORKS AND ALSO DEVELOPMENT AND COMPLIANCE, WE TYPICALLY GET FOILED BY ENGINEERING CONSULTANT AS FAR AS ANY TYPE OF NAVARRO ASSESSMENT THAT HAS BEEN ALREADY BEEN DONE ON THIS PROPERTY.
AND TYPICALLY THEY'RE LOOKING FOR ANYTHING THAT WE KNOW BEFORE THE SELL OF THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, SO, YES.
THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT HE BOUGHT A PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH CONTAMINATED.
THEN YOU BECOME RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CLEANUP.
THAT'S WHY A LOT OF FOLKS DON'T GO THERE.
NOW, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
SEEING NO ONE WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS.
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE OUR 21 DASH 84, PLEASE.
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MOTION HAS BEEN MADE BY MS. KNOLL TO MOVE ORDINANCE 21 DASH 84 MOUNTAIN CARPET.THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLE IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 21 DASH 84 TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED MRS. NOLE.
[3 Application No. YVA-45-21, Jacques van Monfrans and Elizabeth Wilkins. Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R21-85 to approve an application to authorize an existing single-family detached home addition located at 228 Church Street in the Yorktown Village subject to a minimum side yard setback of five feet (5’), rather than the normally required ten feet (10’).]
OKAY.MOVING RIGHT ALONG, MOVE INTO MON FRONDS AND WILKINS.
UH, THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A YORKTOWN VILLAGE ACTIVITY PERMIT, UM, FOR THE AUTHORIZATION TO REDUCE THE SIDE YARD SETBACK AT 2, 2 8 CHURCH STREET SHOWN HERE IN THE RED, UH, THE HOME, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT WAS BUILT IN THE EARLY FORTIES, 1950S TIME PERIOD, 1949, I THINK, IS THE ACTUAL DATE, UH, BEEN RENOVATED OVER, OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES.
UM, MOST OF THE STRUCTURE DOES NOT MEET THE SETBACK ON EITHER SIDE OR THE FRONT, AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, IN ADDITION, THE SURROUNDING AREA, MANY OF THE HOUSES IN THIS AREA.
AND THAT'S THE SPECIAL THING THAT IS, UH, THAT DOES MAKE UP YORKTOWN IS, UH, YORKTOWN DOES HAVE A SPECIAL DISTRICT OVER IT CALLED THE YORKTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, IT HAS SPECIAL GUIDELINES FOR USES.
UM, SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT, AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, WHICH FOR SIDE YARD, SETBACKS IS USUALLY 10 FEET.
UH, THIS HOUSE, AS I SAID, WAS CONSTRUCTED EARLIER AND THEY ARE LOOKING TO PUT A, UM, PORTICO OVER THE SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE.
UM, AND THAT'S THE REASON FOR THIS REQUEST.
AS I SAID, YORKTOWN IS A VERY, UH, SIGNIFICANT AREA.
AND THE BOARD HAS SHOWN THAT BY CREATING A SPECIAL ZONING DISTRICT FOR IT, UM, THAT DOES REQUIRE CERTAIN THINGS.
AND AS ONE OF THAT IS THAT 10 FOOT SETBACK WHERE A STRUCTURE DOESN'T COMPLY WITH IT, A NEW STRUCTURE OR CHANGE IN THE STRUCTURE THERE.
THE PROCESS IS BASICALLY LIKE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, BUT WE CALL IT THE YORKTOWN VILLAGE ACTIVITY PERMIT, UH, GOES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COMES TO YOU AS THE BOARD FOR FINAL DECISION ON WHETHER TO ALLOW THE CHANGE, UM, OR NOT, UH, THE, UH, QUESTION ON THE LEDGER BULLET, BUT PULL IT BACK UP.
WHERE DOES, WHERE DOES NOT COMPLY COME UP, REFERRED TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHERE THE SETBACK OR SOME OTHER CHANGE TO THE PROPERTY DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE YES.
YEAH, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT IN THERE.
SO THIS IS A SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, I HIGHLIGHTED IN RED WHERE THEY HAVE AN EXISTING STOOP THAT PROJECTS OUT INTO THE, UH, CURRENT SETBACK, THE, UH, WHICH, WHICH IS WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE TO PUT THE PORTICO, WHICH IS JUST BASICALLY A ROOF OVER THE STOOP.
UM, THIS IS, UH, THE, THE POOR, THE STOOP RIGHT THERE.
YOU CAN SEE HOW CLOSE IT IS TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY ALREADY.
UM, AND WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO IS PUT A ROOF OUT OVER THAT, UM, BASICALLY TO PROTECT THE DOOR THAT'S THERE.
UH, THEY TOLD ME THEY'VE HAD TO REPLACE IT SEVERAL TIMES OVER BECAUSE RAIN AND SUCH GETS INTO IT AND TO PROVIDE A, THIS IS THEIR MAIN ACCESS INTO THE, INTO THE STRUCTURE, UH, TO PROVIDE THEM SOME PLACE TO, TO BE THERE.
UH, I WILL NOTE THAT ANY ARCHITECTURAL CHANGES IN YORKTOWN ARE REQUIRED TO GO TO THE YORKTOWN HISTORIC DESIGN COMMITTEE, AND THEY WILL BE REVIEWING THIS AT ONE OF THEIR FUTURE MEETINGS, UH, STAFF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, YOUR KIND OF DISTRICT IS, IS SIGNIFICANT.
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS HERE THAT ARE NOT, DO NOT MEET SETBACK OR NOT, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THEY ARE IN OTHER PLACES.
SO, UH, YOUR ACCOUNT IS SPECIAL IN THAT SENSE.
UH, WE FEEL THAT THEY EXISTING PROPOSED PORTICO OR THE PROPOSED PORTICO WON'T BE ANY CLOSER THAN THE EXISTING STOOP.
SO WE FEEL IT'S VERY CHARACTERISTIC OF WHAT THE AREAS, UH, THAT IS IN YORKTOWN.
SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THAT, UH, THROUGH, UH, RESOLUTION 2185.
AND I WILL LET YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID REVIEW THIS, THAT THEY'RE MAY 12TH MEETING, AND THEY DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL FIVE TO ZERO.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, MR. BOND, MON FRONS AND MS. WILKINS ARE BOTH HERE TONIGHT.
UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THEY'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER IT WHEN THEY COME UP.
ANY QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS, ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORS? SO BY THE ADDITION, NO, SRI, I HEARD NOTHING FROM ANYONE.
THANK YOU, MR. ANDERSON, IF MR. RON FRONZ WHOOPS, IF YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND BRIEFLY, UH, SPEAK TO YOUR, UH, PROJECT ELIZABETH WILKINS, 2 28 CHURCH STREET SHOCK, THEN RON FRANCE, SAME ADDRESS AND MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
UM, AND THANK YOU, MR. ANDERSON AND STAFF FOR AN EXCELLENT
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JOB.UM, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH MORE TO ADD.
IT'S A FIVE BY SIX FOOT ROOF CONNECTED TO THE RAILING OVER OUR STOOP.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS HERE, WE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS, NO QUESTIONS.
IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION AMONGST THE BOARD.
WELL, I'VE GOT TO, I'VE GOT TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING HERE.
SO, ALL RIGHT, NOW I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE, SEEING NONE I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MR.
AND I'M SORRY, YOU HAVE TO COME FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO BUILD A LITTLE STOOP OVER YOUR PORCH, BUT THE RULES ARE THE RULES AND, UH, AND WE, WE
[4 Bypass Stream Restoration. Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R21-82 to enter uponand take certain permanent drainage and utility easements in connection with the Bypass Road Sewer Rehabilitation and Stream Restoration Project.]
APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN, SO THANK YOU.WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO BYPASS STREAM RESTORATION PROJECT.
AND MR. BARNETT, I'M GOING TO CALL ON YOU COUNTY ATTORNEY, RIGHT? THANK YOU.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY JUST TO MENTION TO YOU BRIEFLY, AND THEN I BELIEVE, UM, MR. WOODWARD MAY BE AVAILABLE TO DESCRIBE THESE TWO, THESE TWO PROJECTS, BUT THE PROCESS AND THE REASON THESE COME BEFORE YOU IS WE GET TO A POINT WITH THE, THE, THE DESIGN AND IMPLEMENTATION OF A PROJECT WHEN ALL NECESSARY EASEMENTS MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ACQUIRED.
AND OFTEN THE BOARD ASKS WHY THAT IS.
AND I'LL POINT OUT BOTH ON THIS, THIS ITEM BYPASS, THE STREAM RESTORATION AND YOUR NEXT ONE, BECAUSE IN RIVERHEAD WATERS PROJECT, IN EACH CASE THERE ONE PROPERTY OVER WHICH NECESSARY EASEMENTS HAVE NOT BEEN, HAVE BEEN OBTAINED.
AND, AND I DID, UH, COORDINATE OR ASK MR. MIKE AUGUST, UM, OR HAVE MR. WOODWARD ASKED MR. MIKE AUGUST FOR ME, UM, TO INDICATE WHY WE WERE NOT ABLE TO NEGOTIATE SOMETHING, UM, UH, UH, CONSENSUALLY AND IN BOTH CASES, ALTHOUGH THERE ARE SOME VARIATIONS IN THE FACTS, BUT ESSENTIALLY WE HAVE, UH, TWO OWNERS, NEITHER OF WHOM HAVE ACTUALLY REFUSED THE COUNTY'S OFFERS, BUT WHO HAVE NOT BEEN IN COMMUNICATION, WHO HAS STOPPED ONE OF THEM ON THIS PARTICULAR, THIS FIRST ONE, THE BYPASS STREAM AND SEWER PROJECT, YOU MAY RECOGNIZE THE NAME OF JACKALOPE PROPERTIES, LLC.
THEY WERE ACTUALLY INVOLVED IN THE LAST TIME.
ONE OF THESE THINGS CAME TO YOU AND IT WAS THE SIDEWALK SIDEWALK PROJECT UP ON BYPASS ROAD, SAME ONE OF THE SAME PROPERTIES, SAME OWNER.
UM, AND ACTUALLY THIS OWNER WAS ONE, I THINK, WHO HAD ACCEPTED OUR OFFER WITH RESPECT TO THE SIDEWALK PROJECT.
MR. AUGUST INDICATES THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THE OWNER WAS INITIALLY COOPERATIVE, HE HAS SOMEWHAT RECENTLY STOPPED RESPONDING TO ATTEMPTS TO COMPLETE THE PROCESS.
SO HOPEFULLY, UM, THINGS WILL GO FORWARD IF I CAN JUMP THE GUN A LITTLE BIT AND TALK ABOUT BECAUSE IN RIVER HEADWATERS THERE, UM, UM, ON THAT ONE PROPERTY OF MR. WARLICK, MR. AUGUST INDICATES THAT THE OWNER RESIDES OUT OF TOWN HAS ONLY BEEN TO THE PROPERTY ONCE AND WANTED TO HAVE, UM, UH, A, AN ENGINEERING STUDY COMPLETED.
UM, I BELIEVE HE HAS EXPRESSED TO ME, I ASSUME IT IS AT HIS OWN COST, BUT TO SEE WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL OF THE PARCEL IS TO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE WHAT IMPACT IS EASEMENT MY HALF.
UM, AND CONSEQUENTLY, IT'S NOT A YES, BUT NOR IS IT A NO.
SO WE ARE, WE ARE NOT, UH, RECOMMENDING, UM, EASEMENT CONDEMNATIONS IN EITHER CASE, UH, AGAINST, UH, EXPRESSLY AGAINST ANYONE'S INTEREST.
UM, TO, TO, AGAIN, JUST TO REMIND THE BOARD AND ALSO THE PUBLIC, UM, IN THE PROCESS THAT'S KNOWN AS WELL.
IT'S FAMILIARLY KNOWN AS QUICK TAKE, UH, FOR CERTAIN KINDS OF PROJECTS, WATER AND SEWER AT ROADWAY PROJECTS, WHICH INCLUDES SIDEWALKS BY THE WAY.
UM, AND, AND A STREAM RESTORATIONS, UM, DRAINAGE PROJECTS.
WE ARE ALLOWED TO ACTUALLY, UM, INITIATE THE CONDEMNATION PROCESS PRIOR TO THE FILING OF A CONDEMNATION PETITION AND THE INITIATION OF A COURT PROCEEDING.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS PROCESS IS.
WE HAVE THIS PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT, IF YOU AUTHORIZE IT, WE WILL NOW HAVE TO AUTHOR, UM, NOTE, UH, NOTIFY THE OWNERS THAT WITHIN 30 TO 45 DAYS, WE WILL FILE.
WHAT'S CALLED A CERTIFICATE OF DEPOSIT IN OUR CASE, THAT IS TO SAY, WE FILE IT IN THE LAND RECORDS SAYING, HERE'S THE VALUATION THAT WE PLACE ON THE EASEMENT OF THE OWNER ACTUALLY HAS THE RIGHT TO CLAIM THAT MONEY.
AND WITHOUT ACTUALLY SACRIFICING THE RIGHT TO ASK FOR MORE IN A CONDEMNATION PROCEEDING, IF WE DO NOT OTHERWISE REACH, UH, ACCOMMODATION WITH THE OWNER, THEN WITHIN 180 DAYS AFTER THE CERTIFICATE IS FILED, WE
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HAVE TO FILE A CONDEMNATION PETITION.NOW, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THE HISTORY OF THESE THINGS.
THE LAST TIME YOU WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS FOR THE, FOR THE SIDEWALK PROJECT, THERE WERE, I THINK ABOUT EIGHT OR SO PARCELS THAT WE HAD NOT BEEN ACQUIRED EASEMENTS ON, EVEN THOUGH SEVERAL OF THE OWNERS HAD ACTUALLY AGREED TO OUR OFFERS, UM, OF THE, OF THOSE, I THINK WE'RE NOW DOWN TO THREE AND THEY ARE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY ACCEPTED OFFERS, BUT FOR SOME REASON, I'LL HAVE TO INQUIRE FURTHER.
HAVEN'T GIVEN US, UM, UH, EASEMENT DEEDS, BUT ONE WAS A CHINESE COUPLE AND ONE WAS STILL IN CHINA.
ONE WAS HERE, BUT THEY DID COME A TIME WHEN THEY WERE BOTH IN THIS COUNTRY AND THEY SIGNED AN EASEMENT DATE AND THAT THAT'S BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.
THE OTHER WERE, UH, FOUR PARCELS, I THINK OWNED BY THREE CORPORATIONS, ALL OWNED OR LLC IS ALL OWNED BY THE SAME INDIVIDUAL WHO HAD NOT COMMUNICATED.
BUT SHORTLY AFTER THE BOARD ACTED, HE DID MAKE CONTACT WITH THE COUNTY EXCEPT TO THE OFFICE SIGNED THESE MONDAYS.
AND SO THOSE ARE RESOLVED AND THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW THESE WORK, IT'S RARE THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO TO COURT EXCEPT EVERY NOW AND THEN THERE'S SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T AGREE.
BUT MOSTLY THE REASON WE ENDED UP IN COURT IS BECAUSE WE CAN'T FIND ALL THE OWNERS, IT'S HEIR PROPERTY, AND MAYBE THERE ARE MISSING HEIRS.
BUT, UM, BUT ANYWAY, FOR THESE PARTICULAR CASES, IT'S A MATTER OF, OF OWNERS SIMPLY NOT HAVING RESPONDED IN A WAY TO SAY YES OR NO, UH, ON THESE PROJECTS THAT, THAT WISH TO GO FORWARD.
BUT FOR THE DETAILS, I'LL HAVE TO TURN TO STAFF TO GIVE AN EXPLANATION.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BARNETT? NO.
SO TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THIS A LITTLE BIT, SO WE, WE NEED THE OWNER'S APPROVAL FOR BOTH CASES.
HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO KNOW YET THAT'S RIGHT, CORRECT.
THE PROCESS WISHES TO GO FORWARD.
NOW, IF YOU DO NOT USE THIS PROCEDURE, W WHATEVER, WHICH EVERYONE CALLS QUICK TAKE, THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S CALLED IN THE STATUTES.
UM, THEN YOU RESORT TO THE SLOW TAKE.
AND THAT, ISN'T WHAT IT'S CALLED EITHER.
IN WHICH CASE YOU FIRST FILE A CONDEMNATION PETITION.
AND THEN YOU HAVE ALL OF THE PRETRIAL ASPECTS OF A HEARING, UH, DISCOVERY, POSSIBLY, ET CETERA.
THEN THE COURT DECIDES WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN HAVE THE EASEMENT OR WHAT, WHAT THE VALUATION IS.
THEN YOU PUT THAT MONEY INTO COURT, THEN YOU HAVE AN EASEMENT.
THEN YOU CAN DO YOUR PROJECT OR PROCESS THAT COULD EASILY TAKE A YEAR.
THIS ONE SHORTENS THE PROCESS.
UM, BY STATUTE, THESE ARE PRECISELY THE KINDS OF PROJECTS FOR WHICH YOU CAN, YOU CAN, UH, TAKE CONDEMNATIONS, UM, OR, OR ACQUIRE EASEMENTS PRIOR TO THE, TO THE TRIAL, UM, THAT OTHERWISE IS REQUIRED.
AND THEN, UH, BEGIN YOUR, YOUR PROCESS AS AN EFFORT TO GET THE EASEMENT.
THIS IS NOT THE COUNTY TAKING THE PROPERTY.
AND WELL, THIS IS REMOVING ACCESS TO THE OWNERS OF PROPERTY.
I DON'T BELIEVE THIS REMOVES ANY ACCESS.
I'M NOT AWARE THAT THAT ON THESE PROJECTS EASILY INTERFERE WITH ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY NEIGHBOR, BUT EVEN MEANS THAT WE WOULD UPON FILING OF THE CERTIFICATES OWN THE EASEMENTS.
SO IF I COULD JUST COMMENT ON THE SUBSTANCE OF THE PROJECTS, UH, THIS ONE IS A SEWER LINE THAT IS DUE TO STORM WATER EROSION IS BEING UNDERMINED.
AND SO IT'S AN IMPORTANT PROJECT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE SEWER SYSTEM.
IT'S A TEENY PIECE OF PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
NOT REALLY SOMEBODY'S, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPABLE LOT.
AND IN THE CASE OF THE COCHON, HEADWATERS, IT'S A TMDL PROJECT.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, LONG BEEN ON OUR LIST AND BRIAN CAN GO INTO MORE DETAIL, BUT WE KIND OF JUMPED RIGHT TO ALL THE PROCESS STUFF.
AND THERE'S A GOOD REASON WHY BOTH OF THESE ARE HUNTER WATER TO-DO LIST.
I'M TRYING TO WEIGH THE, THE VALUE OF THE PROJECT CAN EITHER PROJECTS VERSUS, YOU KNOW, TAKING SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY, NO MATTER HOW BIG OR SMALL IT IS IN A DAY, AND TRYING TO WAIT, WAIT WAY DOWN ON THE SCALE.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT HERE.
UH, YOU SAID THAT ONE PIECE OF PIT PROPERTY TOO SMALL TO DEVELOP THAT THE SECOND PIECE PRIVATE, IT SOUNDED LIKE SOMEBODY WANT TO DO A COMMERCIAL EVALUATION TO SEE HE SAID HE WANTED TO DO AND HAVE AN EVALUATION AND ENGINEERING STUDY DONE TO SEE WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL IS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD RECOMMEND WE KEEP THESE SEPARATE BECAUSE IT'S ABSOLUTELY ABSOLUTELY.
SO IF I COULD ADJUST TO THE FIRST ONE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND MR. MORGAN, UM, TO BYPASS ROAD STREAM RESTORATION IN SANTA OR REHAB, UM, THE EASEMENT THAT WE'RE ASKING FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER IS IN THE VERY REAR OF THE PROPERTY HAS SHOWN SHANNON, YOUR, UM, MAPS.
AND ALSO THE COUNTY HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE FIRST ONE, NO HIDDEN WATERS.
THE BYPASS ROAD STREAM RESTORATION IS THE FIRST ONE.
AND ALONG WITH THE, THE STREAM IS IN THE VERY REAR OF THE PROPERTY IN A RAVINE.
AND ALSO THE COUNTY HAS BEEN AWARDED $1.1 MILLION FROM DEQ AND SLASH GRANT FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT TO PUT THINGS TO PERSPECTIVE.
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MR. MR. BARNETT, I'M SORRY.DID YOU, YOU SAID STAFF TRIED TO OBTAIN THESE EASEMENTS.
YOU HAVE IT, I MEAN, HAS, HAVE, HAVE YOU OR ANYONE GONE OUT KNOCKED ON DOORS, TRIED TO HUNT THESE FOLKS DOWN.
THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR YOUR RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION AGENT, MR. MIKE, AUGUST WHO WORKS UNDER MR. WOODWARD.
BUT, UM, TYPICALLY I CAN'T SPEAK TO THESE PARTICULAR CASES.
PHONE CALLS ARE ATTEMPTED LETTERS ARE SENT.
IN FACT THERE HAS TO BE AN OFFER MADE.
SO LETTERS HAVE BEEN SENT, WHETHER DOORS ARE KNOCKED ON.
I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A TYPICAL APPROACH, UNLESS IT'S A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AND, UH, AND WE CAN FIND THE OWNERS, BUT I DON'T KNOW, IN THIS CASE, HE WOULD HAVE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR THE OWNERS OF THIS PROPERTY.
WOULD THEY HAVE GIVEN, BEEN GIVEN NOTICE THAT THIS, UH, HEARING WAS GOING ON TIME? THIS COMES FROM OUR OFFICE.
AND I DON'T SEE ANYONE I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT I DON'T SEE ANYBODY HERE TYPICAL PROCESS THAT, UM, OUR RIGHT AWAY AGENT GOES THROUGH IS THROUGH CERTIFIED MAIL AND THROUGH PHONE CALLS, UM, RARELY IS IT A VISIT THE PROPERTY? KNOCK ON THE DOOR.
SO THERE'VE BEEN AT LEAST TWO NOTICES.
ONE WAS AN OFFICIAL OFFER WITH AN EXPLANATION AS TO HOW THE OFFER WAS CALCULATED.
AND THEN ALSO A NOTICE FROM OUR OFFICE ABOUT THIS HEARING TONIGHT.
I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DOES ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK TO THE FIRST BYPASS STREAM RESTORATION? SEE NONE.
I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WHAT IS THE PLAN? MS. CHAIRMAN I'LL MOVE, UH, PROPOSED RESOLUTION, OUR 21 DASH 82.
WELL, MOTION'S BEEN MADE TO MOVE RESOLUTION R 21 DASH 82 BY MR. ROME.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. ROWAN IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 21 DASH 82 TO TAKE CERTAIN PERMANENT EASEMENTS IN CONNECTION WITH THE BYPASS ROAD, SEWER REHABILITATION AND STREAM RESTORATION PROJECT.
[5 Poquoson River Headwaters Project.Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R21-83 to enter upon and take certain permanent drainage and utility easements in connection with the Poquoson River Headwaters Project.]
GREEN, NO MOTION.YOU'VE ALREADY ALLUDED TO SOME OF THIS.
UH, ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? NO, I'VE TRIED TO COVER THEM BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.
THANK YOU, MR. WOODWARD, YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD ON THIS? UH, BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
YOU MAY HAVE NO SET OF QUESTIONS.
SO, SO MR. MR. RONAN, SO LOOK, I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP IS THE WHERE'S THE EASEMENT NEEDED AT, ON THAT MAP? YEAH.
AS THE STREAM RUNS DOWN DIAGONALLY THROUGH THE PROPERTY, THAT DASH LINE A LITTLE BIT ON EACH SIDE OF THE STREAM, AS IT GOES THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
MR. WOODWARD, IF YOU COULD TALK JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS PROJECT AND THEIR DRINKING WATER, I BELIEVE I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE DRINKING WATER ASPECT OF IT.
UM, BUT THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT'S LOCATED BEHIND DOT RV OFF ROUTE 17.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE THE, UM, IMPROVEMENTS UNDER ROUTE 17 AND THERE'S A POND THERE ON THE WEST SIDE OF ROUTE 17, AND THEN WE HAVE THE BILLS, BEALS BREWERY BEING CONSTRUCTED.
SO THIS WHOLE SYSTEM IS INTERCONNECTED AS FAR AS THE DRAINAGE, UM, ASPECT.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, REALLY IT'S ONE PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN BUILT IN PHASES AND DESIGNED IN PHASES.
UM, SO THIS WOULD IMPROVE THE FLOW FROM ROUTE 17, UM, DOWN THROUGH, UM, COUNTRY LANE TO THE HEADWATERS OF, BECAUSE OF THE RIVER.
DON'T GO ALL THE WAY TO DENBY VOLT BOULEVARD, UM, BUT CLOSE TO IT.
AND THE HEADWATERS OF THE
ANY QUESTIONS HERE, SHEPHERD AND THANK YOU, MS. JARON.
UM, SO THIS IS A STORMWATER, THIS IS A A HUNDRED PERCENT STORMWATER PROJECT.
NO DRINKING WATER KIND OF THREW ME THERE FOR A MINUTE.
THAT'S THE KIND OF, THAT'S THE KIND OF EASEMENT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
UM, AND I, AND IT'S INTERESTING, I'VE PUT DOWN HERE THAT IT IS SPLITTING THE PROPERTY.
AND ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS I HAD WAS WHAT IS THE LONG-TERM IMPACT ON THE PROPERTY? UM, CAUSE THIS IS, THERE'S A STREAM THERE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS HAD THE STREAM.
UM, AND I MEAN, HE'S GONE, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE STREAMS, OBVIOUSLY THE MOORE'S CREEK AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, BUT, UM, WE'RE WHAT WE'RE ESSENTIALLY DOING IS GOING DOWN TO CLEAN UP THE SIDES OF THE STREAM OR WHAT
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IT'S, HOW IT LOOKED LIKE FROM, FROM THE DESIGN.UM, AND ALSO STOPPING EROSION AS THE WATER FLOWS DOWN, UM, THROUGH THE DOWNSTREAM AREA, IF ANYTHING, THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO IMPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL OF THE PROJECT.
I MEAN, THAT'S NOT OUR GOAL, BUT THAT'S THE END RESULT.
SO WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS? WHAT ARE THEY RESTRICTING YOU ON? YOU CAN'T DIG IN THE STREAM OR SOMETHING OR WHAT, UM, I'M NOT SURE AT THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEER, ENGINEERS HAVE TAKEN JURISDICTION AT THIS PART.
THEY PROBABLY HAVE, UM, AND I KNOW UPSTREAM, THEY, THEY DID, AND ESSENTIALLY WE CAN'T TOUCH THE BOTTOM OF THE TRAIN, BUT WE CAN BUILD A SHELF NEXT TO IT FOR EVER FLOW, BUT WE CAN'T TOUCH THE BOTTOM OF THE STREAM.
WE JUST CAN'T WIDEN THE STREAM OUT, UM, TO PREVENT THE EROSION.
SO, SO IF WE GET THE EASEMENT HERE, NEW SPLITS HIS PROPERTY AND YOU DON'T CARE WHETHER THE GUY'S BEEN LIVING ON IT OR NOT.
I MEAN, IT'S HIS PROPERTY, SO HOW IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT ACCESS ACROSS? UM, SO I WANT TO COME IN AND PUT HOUSES, SUBDIVIDED, WHATEVER, HOW'S THAT GOING TO AFFECT THE ACCESS ACROSS THIS, UH, UM, ACROSS THIS LAND, IT'S AN EXISTING STREAM.
SO THE HOWEVER DO PROPERTY DEVELOPS, OR IF IT DEVELOPS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, IT WILL HAVE NO IMPACT AS FAR AS, SO IF THEY PUT A CULVERT, THEY CAN, THEY'LL BE ALLOWED TO PUT A CULVERT TO GET THE ACCESS TO THE OTHER SIDE.
THERE ARE EXISTING CULVERTS UNDERNEATH THE ROAD RIGHT NOW THAT GOES THROUGH THE PROPERTY THERE'S COUNTRY LANE.
THIS, YOU HAVE FIVE HOMES THAT ARE ESSENTIALLY LANDLOCKED FROM THIS PROPERTY AND THEY HAVE INGRESS EGRESS ROAD THAT GOES THROUGH THIS PROPERTY, UM, BEHIND DAUGHTER RV, UM, TO GET TO THEIR PROPERTY.
MR. WOODWARD, PULL THIS UP ON THE MAP.
OH, PUT IT ON THE BIG MAP FOR US.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, WITH PAGE, IT IS, I'VE GOT IT HERE, BUT MR. ANDERSON, COULD YOU DO THAT? SO THE, SO THE, THE, MY CONCERN WAS THAT I DON'T, I HAVE, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN PROPERTY BEEN CUT BY THE STREAMS AND THEY'RE STILL, I GUESS, THE WAY THE STREAM BRIAN, THE WAY THE STREAM IS WORKING, IS THAT, UM, THE FLOW, I GUESS, COMING OFF THE ROAD, OR IS IT GOING UNDER THE ROAD? WHICH WAY IS THE FLOW GOING HERE? I WAS GOING FROM DOT RV, UM, DOWN TOWARDS THE HEADWATERS TO THE COAST OF THE RIVER.
AND SO THAT THERE IS SOME JURISDICTION THERE ON THAT STREAM.
NOW I KNOW THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS TOOK JURISDICTION OF THE PART ABOVE THIS.
SO SOMEBODY GUARANTEED THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE JURISDICTION TO PART BELOW IT.
WELL, I'M SAYING IF, OKAY, SO THEN THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD, OR HOWEVER THEY WANT TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE ABLE TO COME IN AND PUT A BMP IN THERE USING THE STREAM.
UM, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE REVIEW PROCESS.
UM, AND OBVIOUSLY WHENEVER YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE, UM, STREAMS THAT THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS OR DQ HAVE TAKEN RESPONSIBILITY FOR, THERE'LL BE SOME, UM, CREDITS THAT THEY DEVELOPED OR WOULD HAVE TO PAY IF THEY'RE GOING TO IMPACT A STREAM.
I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THE HOME BY THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OF, OF THIS, UM, TAKING, IF YOU WILL, ON THE POTENTIAL, UH, SALE HIS LAND OR USE OF THE LAND.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST THAT, TO ME, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE, I MEAN, THE ESSENTIAL PART IS WE'RE TAKING THE GUY'S LAND.
IT'S GOT A STREAM AND UNDERSTAND THAT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE STORM WATER APPROACH.
BUT I'M WONDERING WHAT'S THE LIMITATIONS ON BEING ABLE TO USE THAT THE REST OF THE LAND OF BOTH OF THEM ON THE ONE SIDE AND THE OTHER.
EARL DOT RV IS THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE.
THERE'S AN EXISTING BMP RIGHT HERE.
UM, AND MR. GREEN, YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THIS BECAUSE WE WERE OUT THERE ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO.
WE MADE SOME IMPROVEMENTS ALREADY, UM, IN THIS AREA FOR THE COUNTRY LANE PEOPLE AND MS. CASTLES, UH, FAMILIAR WITH IT ALSO.
UM, THE STREAM, YOU SAY IT GOES UNDERNEATH THE ROAD RIGHT HERE, AND THEN IT GOES INTO A WOODED AREA AND THEN LEAVES THE PROPERTY AND COMES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE HEADWATERS, THE COAST OF RIVER THROUGH HERE.
HONESTLY, WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR AS FAR AS EASEMENTS EASEMENTS IS MINIMAL THROUGH THIS PROPERTY, JUST TO IMPROVE THE STRAIN AGAIN, AS I SAID EARLIER, OUR PROJECT TO IMPROVE THE STREAM BY DEFAULT IS GOING TO PROVE, IMPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL OF THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
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LET'S BE PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE.IF YOU GO DOWN OFF A BIG BETHEL ROAD AND YOU GO THROUGH THAT PROPERTY DOWN THERE ON LOTS LAND, OKAY.
MR. LODGE IS TRYING TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY.
SO THERE'S A STREAM THROUGH THERE.
THAT'S AFFECTING HIS PROPERTY.
IS THIS THE SAME KIND OF SITUATION EXCEPT FOR MINUS THE DEVELOPMENT? MUCH SMALLER.
SO THAT'S THAT'S UM, BUT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY, WE DON'T HAVE AN EASEMENT DOWN THERE THROUGH HIS PROPERTY.
IT'S JUST HAPPENS TO BE A STREAM THAT RUNS THROUGH HIS PROPERTY.
SO W WHY DIDN'T WE GET AN EASEMENT GO DOWN THERE AND, AND DO SOMETHING TO THAT STREAM AS, AND NOT DO, AND THEN WHY ARE WE DOING IT HERE? IF I MIGHT POINT OUT THE CLIENT INDICATION EXISTING DRAINAGE EASEMENT ON IT FOR THE, FOR THE MR. LOTS, HIS PROPERTY, WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY IMPROVEMENTS OR PLANNED ON ANY IMPROVEMENTS ON HIS PROPERTY.
SO WE HAVEN'T ACQUIRED ANY EASEMENTS.
UM, HAS DEVELOPED PLAN IS SHOWING IMPROVEMENTS.
THIS PROPERTY HERE IS UNDEVELOPED, JUST LIKE MR. LOSSES, BUT WE, THE COUNTY ARE PROPOSING MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE STREAM.
HENCE WE NEED THE EASEMENTS TO GO IN THERE AND MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS.
WE DON'T DO THE EASEMENT, THE, UM, OR DELAY IT TO GET THE, OKAY.
IF WE DELAY IT AND DON'T GET THE EASEMENTS WITH THE FLOW COMING DOWN OFF ROUTE 17, UM, THROUGH THIS CORRIDOR OVER TIME, AS IT HAS SHOWN THE STREAM IS GOING TO BE ERODE ERODE IN ROAD IN THE ROAD.
AND IT WOULD BE A WORST SITUATION.
UM, RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO PREVENT THE EROSION AND PROTECT, UM, NOT ONLY THOSE PROPERTIES DOWNSTREAM, BUT ALSO EARN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TMDL CREDITS THROUGH THE STATE FOR STRING RESTORATION PROJECT.
SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE, OR YOU HAVE PLANNED TO DO THE STREAM, BUT WHAT WE DON'T KNOW IS WHAT THE IMPACT WE MIGHT BE TO DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES TO THAT PROPERTY.
IF WE MOVE AND HAVE AN EASEMENT GOING DANGLY ACROSS THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROPERTY, THAT THAT MAY DROP ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR DEVELOPMENT, NOBODY WANTS TO COME IN IN A WEIRDLY DIAGONAL, UH, TWO PLOTS TO TRY TO DEVELOP, UH, THAT'S THAT'S MY CON, THAT'S MY CONCERN, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN, MR. BARNETT, THIS PLAQUE INDICATES THAT THERE IS ALREADY AN EXISTING 20 FOOT WIDE, YOUR DRAINAGE EASEMENT ON IT, WHICH BIAS NUMBERS LOOK LIKE IT WAS RECORDED AT NIGHT IN 2006.
SO THAT'S, THAT IS THE SOLID WHITE LINE THAT RUNS INTO THE SPACE THAT RUNS RIGHT DOWN THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THESE, UH, REQUESTED NEW IS MS. MR. WOODWARD, AM I CORRECT ON THAT? YOU ARE CORRECT.
MR. BURNETT, WHY DO WE, AND MR. RYAN GO BACK TO YOUR PREVIOUS QUESTION, JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN EASEMENT, IT GOES THROUGH THE PIECE OF PROPERTY AND USE MR. LOTS OF PROPERTY.
AS AN EXAMPLE, IT DOESN'T PREVENT THE DEVELOPER WHO COMES IN HERE AND WANTS TO DEVELOP THIS.
UM, BUT IF THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS DOES TAKE JURISDICTION OVER THAT REROUTING IS VERY EXPENSIVE, BUT IT CAN'T BE DONE THE WAY I READ THIS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, THE WAY I READ THIS READ AHEAD, WAS THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ON THAT PLAT, I THOUGHT WAS WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED, RIGHT? IF IT'S ALREADY, THE EASEMENT IS ALREADY THERE, WHAT PART ARE WE TAKING? SURE.
THE CROSS HATCHED AREAS OR THE HATCHED AREA.
WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING, YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY, ON THIS PLAT, THERE'S AN AREA WHICH IS NOT SHOWN WITH ANY CROSSHATCHING, OUR DIAGONAL HATCHING.
IT IS DESIGNATED ON THE PLATTE.
IF YOU CAN SEE THE RIGHT HERE, CAUSE IT'S SORT OF ON THE LEFT SIDE, 20 FOOT, YOUR COUNTY DRAINAGE, EASEMENT, AND STRAIGHTEN NUMBER AND A RINSE FRONT NUMBER, IT GIVES TO INSTRUMENT NUMBERS, NEW AREA BEING REQUESTED AS THE AREA ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT EXISTING EASEMENT, WHICH IS SHOWN IN THE DIAGONAL HATCHING.
AND IT MEANDERS ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT EXISTING USER.
SO THAT'S GIVEN HER WEIGHT TO ASK TO CLEAN THE PARTS OUT TO HELP BECAUSE HE CAN'T DIG IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT.
NOW I UNDERSTAND MAKE IT MORE LIKE A NATURAL, RIGHT.
NOW, I DIDN'T KNOW THOSE NAMES.
WE'RE ASKING FOR AN EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING EASEMENT.
SO IT'S ALREADY THE EASEMENTS ALREADY THERE.
WE'RE JUST ASKING TO EXPAND UPON IT.
YOU'RE TRYING TO ESTABLISH A NEW ONE.
AND SO I'VE BEEN OUT THERE MANY TIMES AND IF YOU GO OUT THERE, IT'S A WATERSHED PROPERTY.
AS ON ONE SIDE, IT'S VERY WET.
IT'S THE HEADWATERS OF THE
UH, THERE, UH, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH DEVELOPMENT YOU COULD DO.
A LOT OF IT'S PROTECTED BY WATERSHED.
I'M NOT ARGUING WITH THE MERITS OF THE PROJECT.
ARGUE WITH THE FACT THAT I BELIEVE THAT STAFF COULD DO MORE TO OBTAIN THESE EASEMENTS.
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I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS ENOUGH.SO OPEN THE PUBLIC, HEARING ANYBODY WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS.
SO NONE I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? MR. CHAIRMAN? I'LL MOVE ON 21 DASH 83, MADAM CLERK, A MOTION WAS MADE BY MISS KNOLL TO MOVE THE RESOLE.
THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLE IS TO ADOPT PROPOSE RESOLUTION R 21 DASH 83 TO TAKE CERTAIN PERMANENT EASEMENTS IN CONNECTION WITH THE PECOS RIVER HEADWATERS PROJECT.
NO, MR. SHEPHERD, MR. GREEN, NO
[6 Colonial Group Home Commission Joint Exercise of Powers of Agreement. Consider adoption of proposed Ordinance No. 21-12 to amend the Joint Colonial Group Home Commission Exercise of Powers Agreement between the Counties of York, James City, and Gloucester and the City of Williamsburg to change the name to Colonial Juvenile Services Commission.]
MOTION CARRIED.MOVING ALONG, WE'LL GO INTO THE COLONIAL GROUP HOME COMMISSIONED JOINT EXERCISE, POWER OF ATTORNEY AGREEMENT FOR THAT.
I'M GONNA CALL HIM MR. MORGAN.
SO, UM, YOU RECALL THAT LAST YEAR, UH, WE FOUND IT NECESSARY TO CLOSE THE REGIONAL CROSSROADS YOUTH HOME FACILITY.
AND, UH, THERE ARE OTHER MISSIONS OF THAT REGIONAL GROUP.
UM, SO THE MAIN REASON, UH, THIS IS BEFORE YOU IS, UH, THE REGIONAL GROUP, WHICH WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT SERVE ON IT.
AND OF COURSE, BRIAN FULLER STAFFS.
IT IS THAT THEY DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THE NAME IN NO, ANY LONGER REFLECTED THE MISSION.
AND SO, UH, THE GROUP HOME COMMISSION HAS VOTED TO RENAME ITSELF, THE COLONIAL JUVENILE SERVICES COMMISSION TO REFLECT THE NON-GROUP HOME FUNCTIONS THAT CONTINUE.
AND SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF TAKING THIS PROPOSAL, UH, TO THE MEMBER, UH, LOCALITIES.
AND, UH, SINCE WE'RE THE STAFF AND THE FISCAL AGENT, IT'S KIND OF IMPORTANT THAT WE TAKE THE LEAD.
UH, THERE ARE OTHER REASONS TO DO THIS.
UM, THE STATUTORY AUTHORITY TO DO THIS IS A DIFFERENT CATEGORY OF STATE LAW.
IF IT'S A GROUP HOME THAN IF IT'S, UM, WHAT WE'RE NOW DESCRIBING THIS ACTIVITY.
SO YOUR, YOUR ACTION ALSO CITES THE, UH, THE PROPER PART OF, UM, THE STATE JOINT EXERCISE OF POWERS, UM, PROVISION.
BUT THE REAL REASON IS WE CLOSED THE GROUP HOME COMMISSION.
I MEAN, WE CALL IT, WE CLOSED CROSSROADS AND IT'S NO LONGER A GROUP HOME OPERATION.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR? NOPE.
SEE NET ON WHAT OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK THE NAME, CHANGE OF THE GROUP HOME.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD.
MISS KNOLL MOVE OPPOSE ORANGE IS, UM, 21 DASH 12.
MOTION HAS BEEN MADE BY MISS KNOLL.
THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLE IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 21 DASH 12, TO AMEND THE JOINT COLONIAL GROUP HOME COMMISSION, EXERCISE OF POWERS AGREEMENT.
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MR. ZAREMBA.NOW WE'LL MOVE INTO OUR CONSENT CALENDAR.
NUMBER SEVEN IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
NUMBER EIGHT IS CHILD DEVELOPMENT RESOURCES CONTRACT NUMBER NINE IS THE HOLLYWOOD PUMP STATION REHABILITATION PROJECT.
NUMBER 10 IS THE TAX REFUND DOUBLE DS INCORPORATED.
AND NUMBER 11 IS THE WAIVER FOR THE SPLIT PRECINCTS.
SO DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING THEY WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS FURTHER MR. KNIGHT? ALL RIGHT.
I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T ADMINISTRATOR.
I SUSPECTED REAL QUICK QUESTION.
IS, IS THAT A SOLE SOURCE OR IS THAT COMPETITIVELY BID? UM, IT WAS BID AND THIS IS THE LOW BID AND IT JUST, IT HAPPENS THAT IT'S ALSO A, YOUR COUNTY CONTRACTOR THAT GOT THE LOW GOODS, WHICH IS NICE.
IS THAT FUCK ME, MR. SHEPHERD HAD ANOTHER QUESTION ON THIS.
UH, SO WHAT'S THE CHALLENGE TO, UH, OUR ABILITY TO DO THIS THAT REQUIRES US TO ASK FOR A WAIVER.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NUMBER 11.
AND THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE TALKING 11 OR NOT.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE ON NUMB SO SMALL.
THAT WAS, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER 11.
I WAS THINKING, TALKING ABOUT THE SPLIT PRECINCT.
SO, UM, MR. BARNETT PROBABLY EXPLAINED IT BETTER THAN ME AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE A WAIVER BECAUSE OF WHERE OUR VOTING, UH, PLACES ARE LOCATED.
WE HAVE ABOUT SIX PLACES WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU LIVE, YOU VOTE FOR ONE, UH, IN ONE DISTRICT OR ANOTHER.
AND, UM, WITH THE PENDING CENSUS AND THE LIKELY, YOU KNOW, ADJUSTMENTS BECAUSE OF THAT, UM, IT WOULD REALLY MAKE NO SENSE TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO, UH, FOR ANOTHER YEAR UNTIL WE KNOW THAT.
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AND SO, UH, THE INFORMATION WE HAVE FROM, UM, MR. LATHAM, AS WELL AS FROM, UH, MR. BARNETT IS, UH, WITH COVID IN ALL THE STATES, PRETTY MUCH EXPECTING EVERYONE TO DO THIS AND JUST SORT OF KEEP THE STATUS QUO UNTIL THE NEXT CENSUS.IN 2020, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY ADOPTED LEGISLATION THAT SAID THAT FOR THE NOVEMBER ELECTIONS OF THIS YEAR, ALL LOCALITIES HAD TO ELIMINATE ALL SPLIT PRECINCTS UNLESS A WAIVER WAS GRANTED.
NOW, THE ASSUMPTION WAS THAT ACTUALLY EVEN LONG BEFORE NOW, WE WOULD HAVE HAD THE 20, 20 CENSUS DATA AND WE COULD HAVE DONE IT BY NOW, BUT WE DON'T HAVE IT YET.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET IT TILL AUGUST.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO, AT THE LAST MINUTE, NOT ONLY EARLY DRAW PRECINCT LINES, WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO, ACCORDING TO MR. LATHAM, NEGOTIATE NEW PLACES TO HAVE A PRECINCT, NO NEW POLLING PLACES.
AND TO IN FACT, PROCESS PRETTY MUCH POSSIBLY IMPOSSIBLE TO ACCOMPLISH.
AND SO, UH, W WE'VE BEEN ADVISED IS JUST THROUGH MR. LATHAM, THAT THE STATE RATHER EXPECTS THAT MANY LOCALITIES WILL BE ASKING FOR WAIVERS, AND THAT THERE'LL BE LIBERALLY GRANTED, HOWEVER, WITHOUT THE WAIVER, WE'VE GOT TO DO THE IMPOSSIBLE.
UH, MR. RYAN WANTS TO JUMP BACK TO NUMBER NINE, THE HOLLYWOOD PUMP STATION.
SO I READ IN THE MEMORANDUM, THIS HOW THIS STATES HAS BEEN IN SINCE 1970.
I THINK I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IS THIS ALL PREVENTATIVE OR ARE WE SEEING SOME PROBLEMS THAT, THAT, UM, IS ALSO DRIVING THIS WELL? WELL, BRIAN CAN SPEAK TO IT, BUT THIS IS INCREASINGLY WHAT YOU SEE WITH THE CAPITAL PROJECTS IN THE SEWER SYSTEM, UH, IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A TON OF, UH, PUMP STATIONS, UH, THAT ARE AGING.
AND, UH, THIS WAS A PLANNED RENOVATION, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, MR. WOODWARD, THAT IS CORRECT.
UM, THE FIRST PHASE WE REPLACED THE EMERGENCY STANDBY GENERATOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
UM, AND THEN WE WENT THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS AND HOLLYWOOD, UM, STATIONED AS IN THE LITERATURE WAS 19 78, 19 79 VINTAGE EPA ERA STATION THAT YOU SEE, UM, IN SOME PARTS OF THE COUNTY, UM, IS THIS THE AGE WE DO PREVENT A MAINTENANCE ON THE FACILITIES ALL THE TIME, BUT IT COMES TO A POINT WHERE YOU NEEDED TO DO SOME MAJOR REPAIRS.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS DOING.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, REPLACING THE ENTIRE ELECTRICAL CONTROL SYSTEM, NEW PUMPS, RECODING, UM, ON THE UNDERNEATH WHAT WELL, UH, WHERE ALL THE SANTERIA SEWER SITS UNTIL IT'S PUMPED OUT A VERY NASTY ENVIRONMENT, VERY CORROSIVE.
SO THE SIDE, THIS IS GONNA GET AS A, HIT A PROBLEMS. AND I WOULD IMAGINE IT'S GOING TO IS GOING TO UPGRADE THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF THESE PUMP STATIONS AS THIS ONE WAS BUILT BACK IN 1978.
AND I SAID, WE HAVE FOUR OTHER PUMP STATIONS THAT ARE IN THE DESIGN PROCESS RIGHT NOW TO BE A REHABBED, BRANDYWINE BEING ONE OF THOSE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONSENT CALENDAR? SEE NONE.
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD LIKE TO MOVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR PLEASE? MR. MADAM CLERK, MR. RONAN HAS MOVED THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. RYAN IS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED MR. RON.
[MATTERS PRESENTED BY THE BOARD]
MR. GREEN.AT THIS TIME, SINCE WE DID SKIP THE MATTERS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD, DOES ANY BOARD MEMBER HAVE ANYTHING BURNING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO, UH, MR. CHAIR, IF I CAN MAKE IT.
ALL I WANTED, ALL I WANT TO DO IS CONGRATULATE ALL THOSE WHO ARE GRADUATING FROM THE HIGH SCHOOLS IN YOUR COUNTY, I, THIS WEEK, I BELIEVE, BUT I ALSO WANT TO CONGRATULATE THE PARENTS BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN AN UNUSUAL YEAR FOR BOTH PARENTS AND STUDENTS AND MY HATS OFF TO ALL OF THEM.
AND GOOD LUCK IN YOUR FUTURE, MR. ZAREMBA, MR. JERRY, IF YOU ALL RECALL, UH, FRIDAY I SENT YOU ALL AN EMAIL, UH, BASICALLY IT WAS ON A CONCEPT CALLED RACE CRITICAL RACE THEORY.
AND IN THAT EMAIL, I ASKED THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO GIVE US A PRIMER, IF HE COULD, UH, TODAY'S MEETING, UH, JIM WAS HEARD TO DO THAT.
YOU KIND OF UNCEREMONIOUSLY CUT THEM OFF AFTER HIS FIRST COMMENT.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT HE'S GOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT, AND I'LL MAKE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT IT MYSELF.
I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE COUNTY, BUT AGAIN, WE NEED TO BE PRIMED ON WHAT THE HECK IT IS AND WHERE THE EFFECT MIGHT BE.
SO LOOKING INTO IT, I MEAN, TO LOOK AT IT IN REAL DEPTH, FRANKLY, YOU'LL HAVE TO SEND ME BACK TO GRADUATE SCHOOL.
UM, CRITICAL RACE THEORY BEGAN WITHIN THE LEGAL PROFESSIONS.
I'M AS ACCORDING TO MY READING IN THE 1970S, AND I WILL SAY IT'S BECOME SO HIGHLY POLITICIZED, BUT AS I LOOKED FOR SOURCES, I TRIED TO FIND SOURCES THAT I THOUGHT
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WOULD, WOULD TAKE A BALANCED VIEW.I FOUND AN ARTICLE IN THE AMERICAN, UH, WELL ONLINE WITH THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION, ATLANTIC MAGAZINE ARTICLE, UM, UH, AN ONLINE, MAYBE PAPER PERIODICALS AS WELL CALLED EDUCATION WEEK.
UM, BUT, UM, I THINK THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FIND A, A REAL PRIMMER ON A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF EVERYTHING THAT IS INCLUDED WITHIN CRITICAL RACE THEORY.
I THINK WHAT WHAT'S YOU'RE GRAPPLING WITH AND WHAT PEOPLE ARE GRAPPLING WITH MIGHT BE A BETTER, UH, CHARACTERIZE AS A FRAMEWORK FOR ANALYSIS.
THERE ARE SOME, SOME STARTING POINTS.
I'LL GO OVER THOSE IN A MINUTE, AS BEST AS I'VE BEEN ABLE TO DETERMINE THEM.
UM, ALTHOUGH THE ABA JOURNAL, AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION JOURNAL CALLED IT ANY EVOLVING AND A MALLEABLE PRACTICE.
AND WITH THE ACADEMICIANS WHO ARE, WHO ARE STUDYING THIS, I THINK FOR EVERY ONE THAT YOU ASKED, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT VARIATION, MAYBE EVEN A DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT VARIATION ON THOUGHTS ON, ON WHAT, WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, HOW IT SHOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
IT ENCOMPASSES BY THE WAY NOT ONLY LAW HAS GOTTEN INTO THE FIELD OF EDUCATION SOMEWHAT.
UM, IT'S DIFFICULT TO IMAGINE THIS THEORY SPECIFICALLY BEING TAUGHT AT THE ELEMENTARY OR HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE TOO COMPLEX AS, AS ENCOMPASSES LAW PHILOSOPHY, SOCIOLOGY, ECONOMICS, A LOT OF DIFFERENT DISCIPLINES THAT COME INTO PLAY, BUT, UM, THERE SEEM TO BE SOME, AT LEAST SOME BASELINE ASSUMPTIONS FROM WHICH PEOPLE START ONE RACE AS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT.
IT IS NOT BIOLOGICAL OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, SUPERFICIAL CHARACTERISTICS THAT RACISM IS TO SOME DEGREE CODIFIED IN AMERICAN LAW, ALSO EMBEDDED IN STRUCTURES AND WOVEN INTO PUBLIC POLICY.
THAT IS NOT TO SAY THAT EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS COUNTRY IS RACIST.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CLAIM, BUT AS, AS ONE ARTICLE POINTED OUT, PART OF THE THEORY IS THAT MANY OF THE ASPECTS OF AMERICAN LAW WERE, AND THEIR FOUNDATIONS ON DIFFERENT LEGAL TENANTS PERFORM RELATED AT A TIME WHEN SLAVERY AND OTHER ASPECTS OF RACISM WERE IN FACT, THE LAW.
AND TO SOME DEGREE THAT THEY ARE HOLD OVERS AND MAY PERPETUATE, UM, RACIAL INEQUALITIES, UH, IT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT.
AND THIS IS ONE OF HIS CRITICAL ONE OF THE CRITICISMS AGAINST IT IS IT RELIES TO SOME DEGREE ON THE RELEVANCE OF STORIES OF EVERYDAY LIVES THAT IS ANECDOTAL THOSE STORIES.
UH, I DID LOOK AT ACTUALLY WHAT MUST BE THE SIGNATURE BOOK, THE INITIAL BOOK, WHICH IS CALLED CRITICAL RACE THEORY AND COMES DOWN IN THE SEVENTIES AND YOU CAN, I MEAN, I COULD DOWNLOAD IT.
I JUST DIDN'T DO IT YET, UH, TO READ IT.
AND, AND I, I READ ON AMAZON, THE CRITICISMS OF IT.
AND ONE OF THEM IS THAT IN FACT, IT WAS LARGELY FREE OF, OF ANCHORS IN ACTUAL STATISTICS IN, IN, UM, IN, IN HARD NUMBERS, IN PROOF OF FACTS THAT WERE CLAIMED AND SO FORTH.
BUT NONETHELESS, BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION, THEY, UM, THEY RELY ON STORIES OF, UH, YOU KNOW, EVERYDAY STORIES OF PEOPLE'S LIVES.
UM, IT, UH, THE, THE, UH, RACIST IMPACTS OR THE UNEQUAL IMPACTS OF, OF MANY, UM, LEGAL, UM, OF MUCH LAW, OF MUCH SOCIAL STRUCTURE IS USUALLY NOT DEEMED INTENTIONAL, BUT, BUT ARE THE, ARE THE RESULT OF CHOICES WHICH SOMETIMES COULD BE FORESEEN, UM, THAT SCHOLARSHIP THAT IT IGNORES THE IMPACT OF RACE, UH, TENDS TO, UM, ADHERE TO AND SOLIDIFY EXISTING RACIAL HIERARCHIES AND, AND, AND, AND DIVERSITY'S, UH, LAW CAN BE A, UM, UH, A, A SYSTEM WHICH MAINTAINS AN UNJUST ORDER, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT CAN ALSO BE THE TOOL BY WHICH RIGHTS CAN BE PROTECTED.
UM, AND, AND SO WHAT THEY DO ASK IS AT LEAST WITHIN, WITHIN THE REALM OF LAW, AND THAT'S PRIMARILY WHAT THE ARTICLES I LOOKED AT ADDRESSED, UM, HOW HAS THE LAW PROTECTED RACISM AND HOW CAN THE LOBBY USE TO CORRECT RACIAL DISPARITY, UM, AND SOME EXAMPLES.
AND BY THE WAY, I DIDN'T GET A LOT OF EXAMPLES, BUT THE ARTICLES THAT I READ KEPT COMING BACK TO THE SAME ONES, IDEAS, UM, LEGAL THEORIES, LEGAL, UH, CASES, WHICH THEY THINK HAVE PROVEN NOT HELPFUL, OR IN SOME CASES HELPFUL.
UM, UH, ONE, UM, UH, BROWN VS BOARD OF EDUCATION, UM, UH, WHICH LED TO AMONG OTHER THINGS, BUSING, UM, WHICH I THINK SOME OF THESE THEORISTS ACTUALLY ARE NOT HAPPY WITH BUSING, UM, IN OTHERS, HOW WERE APPOINTED TO A CASE THAT CAME IN DETROIT,
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UM, IN WHICH, BECAUSE OF WHITE FLIGHT, THE SCHOOL POPULATIONS IN DETROIT, BETWEEN THE 1940S AND UP TO ABOUT 2000 WENT FROM LESS THAN 10% AFRICAN-AMERICAN TO OVER 95%.AND SO IN ORDER FOR BUSING TO BE EFFECTIVE, THE CLAIM WAS ADVANCED IN THE COURTS THAT IT NEEDED TO INCORPORATE, NOT JUST THE CIVIC BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY OF NEW YORK, BUT ALSO THE PREDOMINANTLY WHITE SUBURBS TO WHICH PEOPLE HAD FLED.
AND THE COURT SAID, NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO INCORPORATE ANYTHING THAT WIDESPREAD, SO CRITICAL RACE THEORISTS, POINT TO THAT AS AN EXAMPLE OF A LEGAL STRUCTURE, WHICH PREVENTED IN THAT PARTICULAR INCIDENCE IN ADVANCEMENT OF, OF, UH, EQUALIZING GOAL.
UM, HERE'S ONE, I GOTTA ADMIT, I FOUND THIS ONE, A LITTLE SLIPPERY.
UM, THEY POINT OUT, UH, POTENTIAL ISSUES WITH THE FIRST AMENDMENT IN THAT IT PROTECTS HATE SPEECH.
UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE ACLU YEARS AGO, UM, HELPED FIGHT A CASE THAT WENT TO THE U S SUPREME COURT, WHICH ALLOWED NEO-NAZI GROUPS FOR A NEO-NAZI GROUP TO MARCH THROUGH THE PREDOMINANTLY JEWISH SECTION OF SKOKIE, ILLINOIS.
THEY WERE WILDLY CONDEMNED FOR THAT.
I WILL POINT OUT BY THE WAY THAT THAT CASE HAS BEEN SOUNDED CITED NUMEROUS TIMES BY OTHER GROUPS, RELIGIOUS GROUPS, SCHOOL, A STUDENT OF THE FREE EXPRESSION GROUPS AS SUPPORTING THEM AS WELL.
SO, YOU KNOW, THESE CASES CAN SWING BOTH WAYS.
UM, ON THE OTHER HAND, THE, UH, CRITICAL RACE THEORISTS HAVE TO A SIGNIFICANT DEGREE, BEEN ADVOCATES FOR THE IDEA OF, OF RESTRICTING HATE SPEECH, HATE SPEECH LEGISLATION, UM, SUGGESTING THAT SPEECH MIGHT BE REGULATED BY THE HARM THAT IT CAN CAUSE TO OTHERS.
I ADMIT MY OWN THOUGHT KIND OF A SLIPPERY, SLIPPERY IDEA, AND MAY LEAD IN THE DIRECTION OF SOME OF THE, WELL, AGAIN, I'M ADDING MY OWN EDITORIAL COMMENTS, PARDON ME? SOME OF THE RATHER BIZARRE COLLEGE SPEECH CODES THAT HAVE RESTRICTED, UM, YOU READ ABOUT THEM PERIODICALLY, BUT, UH, I DON'T KNOW THE EXTENT TO WHICH THEY ARE SUPPORTED BY THE, BY THESE THEORISTS.
UM, THEY POINT TO SOME STATISTICAL ANALYSIS THAT ANALYSIS YOU MAY OR MAY HAVE HEARD RUN ACROSS SOME OF THIS, THAT IN SCHOOLS.
UM, THERE IS OFTEN NOTED A GREATER AND MORE SEVERE DISCIPLINE FOR BLACK STUDENTS THAN FOR WHITE STUDENTS OF SIMILAR OR THE SAME OFFENSES, UM, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED ZONING THAT IS TO SAY ZONING, WHICH WHICH CAN LIMIT WITHIN THAT ZONE HOUSING, WHICH HAS TO BE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, RELATIVELY LARGE, LOTS, QUARTER ACRE, BIGGER, WHICH MAKES IT MORE EXPENSIVE.
IT MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR LOWER INCOME AND THEREFORE THE, UH, BY PROPORTION, GREATER NUMBERS OF, OF MINORITIES FOR MOVING INTO AREAS.
ACTUALLY THERE WAS, I BELIEVE IN THE LAST GENERAL ASSEMBLY SESSION, AND I FORGOT TO LOOK IT UP FOR THIS EVENING.
THERE ACTUALLY WAS A BILL WHICH WOULD IF ADOPTED AND BY THE WAY, IT GOT NOWHERE.
BUT IF ADOPTED, I BELIEVE WOULD HAVE ELIMINATED, UM, ZONING AND LOCALITIES, UM, WHICH WOULD HAVE LIMITED RESIDENTIAL ONLY TO SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.
IN OTHER WORDS, ALTHOUGH THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A USE OF RIGHT.
SO WOULD HAVE APARTMENTS AND CONDOS AND TOWNHOUSES AND OTHER FORMS OF HOUSING TO GREATLY INCREASE THE, UM, ABILITY OF LOWER INCOME PEOPLE.
AND THEREFORE BY PROPORTION MORE MINORITIES, TO BE ABLE TO MOVE INTO RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND FIND MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UM, AND, UM, ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO DRAG UP.
UM, BUT SOME THINGS THAT THAT ABOUT WHICH HAD BEEN CLAIMED ABOUT, UM, CRITICAL RACE THEORY ARE DISPUTED BY THESE ARTICLES.
THAT IS TO SAY THERE IS NOT A CLAIM THAT EVERYBODY WHO'S CAUCASIAN OR WHITE IS A RACIST, AND EVERYBODY IS BLACK AS A VICTIM.
UM, IT IS NOT, IT'S OFTEN BEEN CALLED MARXIST.
I DON'T SEE A CORRELATION BETWEEN THIS AND MARX'S THEORY, WHICH IS AN ECONOMIC THEORY, WHICH POSITS THAT THERE WILL, AT SOME POINT BE AN OVERTHROW OF HIERARCHIES OF ELITES BY THE PROLETARIAT LEADING THROUGH A, A TEMPORARY DICTATORSHIP OF THE PROLETARIAT INTO A PERFECT CLASSLESS SOCIETY.
UH, THE CRITICAL RACE THEORISTS DON'T SEEM TO CONCERN THEMSELVES WITH THAT KIND OF ANALYSIS AT ALL.
OF COURSE, WE ALL KNOW THAT NOBODY EVER SEEMS TO GET OUT OF THE DICTATORSHIP PHASE.
UM, BUT, UH, MAYBE THERE'S SOMEBODY OUT THERE WHO ADHERES TO MARXIST BELIEFS.
WHO'S ALSO ATTACHED TO THIS THEORY.
I CAN'T SAY THERE'S NOT, BUT IT DOES NOT SEEM TO BE PART OF THE, THE MAINSTREAM APPROACH FOR THESE PEOPLE.
UM, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF LEGISLATION EITHER PROPOSED OR ADOPTED BY STATES TO PROHIBIT THE TEACHING OF CRITICAL RACE THEORY.
IT DOESN'T ALWAYS MENTION IT BY NAME.
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OF IT IS SO BROAD THAT THERE'S A SUSPICION THAT IT'S, IT WILL BE STRUCK DOWN AS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.THERE IS LEGISLATION WHICH HAS BEEN INTRODUCED IN ARKANSAS, WHICH PROHIBITS THE TEACHING OF ANYTHING THAT WOULD TEND TOWARDS THE DIVISION BETWEEN RE UH, RESENTMENT OF, OR SOCIAL JUSTICE FOR GROUPS BASED ON RACE, GENDER, OR POLITICAL AFFILIATION.
SO IF YOU CAN'T TEACH ABOUT SOCIAL JUSTICE, THEN TEACHERS ARE WONDERING WHAT THEY CAN TEACH.
UH, CAN THEY IN FACT TEACH ABOUT THE JIM CROW ERA? WHAT DO THEY SAY ABOUT SLAVERY AND CIVIL RIGHTS ERA? UM, SO, UM, BUT THERE, BUT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE IS THAT LEGISLATION.
UM, I DON'T HAVE EXAMPLES FOR ALL OF THEM.
THAT WAS JUST ONE EXAMPLE THERE THAT DECIDED ONE OF THE ARTICLES SPECIFIC TO ONE STATE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEEN ADOPTED ACTUALLY, UH, BECAUSE THERE WAS AN ARTICLE JUST POSTED THREE DAYS AGO WOULD STILL REFERENCE IT AS BEING A BILL BEFORE THAT LEGISLATURE.
SO, SO THOSE ARE SOME CONCERNS THAT ARE BEING EXPRESSED BY EDUCATORS.
UM, AND BUT, BUT AS TO A BETTER CRITIQUE OF, OF CRITICAL RACE THEORY, ALL I CAN TO YOU IS WHAT I'VE FOUND.
UH, BUT AS I'VE SAID, IT'S TO THE EXTENT THAT IT STUDIED IS STUDIED TYPICALLY AT THE HIGHER LEVELS OF EDUCATION.
AND I SUSPECT YOU'RE TAKING MORE THAN ONE COURSE TO BE ABLE TO, TO, TO BEGIN TO COMPREHEND IT ALL.
AND YOU'RE PROBABLY GETTING MULTIPLE VIEWS AND MULTIPLE APPROACHES, UM, WHICH YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ANALYZE IT SOME DEPTH.
UM, I, I CAN'T IMAGINE AT LEAST ON THESE, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS DEPTH OF BEING TAUGHT SUCCESSFULLY TO HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS, BUT I COULD BE WRONG.
MAYBE, MAYBE SOME IT IS, BUT, UM, I BELIEVE OUR, UH, OUR SUPERINTENDENT HAS ASSURED US THAT IT IS NOT AS DESCRIBED HERE.
HISTORY IS OF COURSE, AND TO SOME EXTENT, HISTORY SIMPLY HAS TO GRAPPLE WITH SOME UNCOMFORTABLE FACTS.
UM, BUT, UM, ANYWAY, IF YOU WANT TO HEAR WHAT THE SCHOOLS ARE TEACHING, I RECOMMEND YOU BRING SOMEBODY IN FROM THE SCHOOLS TO ADVISE YOU BETTER THAN I CAN.
THAT'S WHAT I'VE LEARNED ABOUT IT.
UM, I MAY IN FACT, UH, BUY ONE OF THESE BOOKS THAT I FOUND AND, UH, UM, AND FOR MY OWN EDIFICATION, UH, READ IT, BUT THIS COULD TAKE ME A WHILE BEFORE I CAN, UM, ANALYZE AND ABSORB SOME OF THE MATERIAL THAT'S OUT THERE TO BE READ ON IT.
I MIGHT SUGGEST YOU RENT ONE FROM THE LIBRARY SO THAT, UH, YOU DON'T AUTHOR THIS ANY EXTRA.
MR.
I'M GOING TO TAKE THE OPPOSITE TACT OF JIM WHITE, AND I'M GOING TO TRY TO WAKE YOU UP AS WELL, BUT IF YOU'LL TAKE ONE OF THESE, JUST PASS IT ALONG.
SO I GO WHAT IT IS AND WHY IT'S IMPORTANT.
ALL RIGHT, SHEILA IS A RECIPIENT OF THIS.
UH, THIS IS AN ARTICLE PUT OUT BY HILLSDALE COLLEGE, WHICH IS A SMALL CONSERVATIVE COLLEGE UP IN MICHIGAN.
EVERY MONTH THEY HAVE A SPEAKER AND WHAT THEY DO COMING OUT OF THE SPEECH IS THEY PUT IT OUT AND DISTRIBUTED TO THEIR, THEIR READERSHIP, THE DISTRIBUTION.
AND THIS ARTICLE BY THIS RATHER ESTEEM GUY, UH, STARTS UP BY SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE ORIGIN OF SOMETHING CALLED CRITICAL RACE THEORY.
AND HE PEGS IT AS JIM ALLUDED TO TWO MARKS, RIGHT? AND IF YOU REMEMBER THE MARKS OF THEOLOGY, IT WAS A MOVEMENT, WASN'T A PHILOSOPHICAL CONCEPT, BUT IT WAS A MOVEMENT TO OVERTHROW GOVERNMENTS, SPECIFICALLY THE MONARCH OF RUSSIA AT THE TIME.
AND OF COURSE, THEN THERE'S THAT GREAT CHINESE REVOLUTION.
UH, WHEN YOU READ THROUGH THAT, AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S ONE MAN'S SPEECH, KEEP THAT IN MIND AS JIM POINTS OUT, RIGHT.
UH, IT HAS NEVER TAKEN HOLD IN THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE THAT PIT AT THE PROLETARIAT AGAINST WHAT JIM POINTED OUT, THE ABYSMAL Z, THE, THOSE IN CONTROL OF THE ECONOMY AND THOSE WORKERS FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS.
SO IT WAS, AS HE POINTED OUT AN ECONOMIC ISSUE AGAINST THOSE THAT HAD AGAINST THOSE THAT DIDN'T HAVE.
UH, AND OF COURSE WE KNOW THE RESULTS OF THAT WHEN YOU GO BACK TO THE MARKS AREA, OKAY.
WITH RESPECT TO BOTH RUSSIA AND CHINA, AS AN EXAMPLES, YOU MIGHT ALSO LOOK AT AS WELL, A MORE, MORE CONTEMPORARY, UH, WELL, IT DIDN'T STICK HERE.
SO IT SAYS THE AUTHOR OF THIS ARTICLE, BUT THE SAME CONCEPT IS BEING USED BETWEEN PEOPLE BASED ON RACE.
AND A LITTLE BIT MORE EMPHATIC THAN JIM POINTS OUT.
IF YOU'RE, UNLESS YOU'RE BLIND OR DEAF AND DON'T READ ANYTHING, OR LOOK AT ANYTHING, YOU HAVE GOT TO HAVE ARTICLES THAT YOU HAD LOOKED AT OR DISCUSSIONS YOU SEE IT ON TV RELATIVE TO CRITICAL RACE THEORY.
AND IT SAYS IN A NUTSHELL, OH, WE WHO ARE WHITE FROM BIRTH ARE RACIST.
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I WOULD ARGUE, BUT YOU ARE A RACIST BY DEFINITION.YOUR COLOR OF CAKE MAKES YOU A RACIST AND THE OPPRESSED IN THIS PARTICULAR SCENARIO OR THE BLACKS.
AND HE GOES ON TO SAY THAT THE CONCEPT OF CRITICAL RACE THEORY HAS BEEN INFIL, INFILTRATED, INCULCATED INTO OUR UNIVERSITIES, INTO OUR K THROUGH 12 SCHOOLS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, UH, AND ALSO OUR FEDERAL ESTATE DEPARTMENTS.
UH, IT'S AN INTERESTING ARTICLE.
YOU KEEP IN MIND, IT'S ONE MAN'S ARTICLE.
IT COMES OUT OF FAIRLY PRESTIGIOUS, CONSERVATIVE TOP UNIVERSITY.
THE POINT IS I ASKED THE SUPERINTENDENT A MONTH AGO, UH, VIC, UH, WE TEACHING CREDIT BUILT RACE THEORY.
HE SAID, I'LL GET RIGHT BACK TO YOU.
AND HE SAID, THE WORDS CRITICAL RACE THEORY IS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND IN OUR CURRICULUM.
SO THANKS TO OUR ADMINISTRATOR.
HE TALKED TO VIC AND VIC PROVIDED WHAT, UH, WHAT, UH, I SENT WHAT I GAVE YOU TONIGHT.
WELL, THAT'S THE ARTICLE FROM THE PROFESSOR UP AT THE COLLEGE, THE EMAIL THAT I SENT TO YOU AFTER RECEIVING IT FROM THE ADMINISTRATOR IS THE SUPERINTENDENT'S RESPONSE IN MORE DETAIL THAN WE DON'T HAVE CRITICAL RACE THEORY IN OUR CURRICULUM.
AND THEN HE INCLUDES IN THAT EMAIL, HOPEFULLY YOU STILL HAVE IT BECAUSE YOU NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
UM, IT'S ABOUT 15 PAGES DESCRIBING THE YORK COUNTY EDUCATIONAL STRATEGY GOING INTO THE NEXT SCHOOL YEAR.
AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THE OLD SAYING, UM, A PARTICULAR WORD MAYBE SAID DIFFERENTLY WITH OTHER WORDS, AS YOU POINT OUT IN YOUR CORRESPONDENCE TO ME, ALL RIGHT.
WHAT, WHAT I'M SIMPLY SAYING IS THIS I'M CONCERNED ENOUGH ABOUT OUR KIDS AND EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK, UH, THAT THEORY VERSUS WHITES VERSUS BLACK IS SHOWING UP MORE AND MORE.
EVERY DAY IT'S BEING TAUGHT IN OUR UNIVERSITIES.
IT'S BEING TAUGHT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
THERE'S ABOUT EIGHT OR NINE STATES RIGHT NOW THAT HAVE BANNED TEACHING CRITICAL RACE THEORY.
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES ONE YEAR AGO.
I'M TALKING ABOUT DONALD TRUMP BANNED THE TEACHING OF CRITICAL RACE THEORY, UH, FOR ALL OF HIS DEPARTMENTS AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, ONE OF THE FIRST EXECUTIVE ORDERS THAT THE NEW PRESIDENT SIGNED THE FIRST DAY OF THE OVERTURN, THAT ORDER FROM TRUMP.
SO AGAIN, THE QUESTION, THE REASON I BRING IT UP IS THE SCHOOL BOARD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CURRICULUM AND MAKING SURE THAT IT IS WHAT IT SHOULD BE.
HE ASSURED ME THAT ALL FIVE MEMBERS OF THE SCHOOL BOARD IS ADAM LEE, OPPOSED TO THIS NOTION OF CRITICAL RACE THEORY.
BUT WHEN YOU READ THE, THE SUPERINTENDENTS, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SORT OF MAKE A JUDGMENT, RIGHT.
IS WHAT I'M READING IMPORTANT PARTS OF BECAUSE OF THE SAME BOARDS THAT ARE BEDDED IN THAT ARTICLE, BY THAT PROFESSOR, WHEN HE MADE THE PRESENTATION UP AT HILLSDALE, SOME OF THE SAME WORDS ARE USED IN OUR STRATEGIC STRATEGY.
AND SO, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO SOUND LIKE I'M CRYING WOLF.
I DON'T WANT YOUR COUNTY OR IN 1776.
IN 1781, THIS, THIS COUNTRY PULLED ITSELF AWAY FROM THE BRITISH.
AND WHAT ALL THOSE PEOPLE WENT THROUGH.
I DON'T WANT YOUR, OF THE BE ASLEEP AT THE SWITCH.
IF IN FACT THERE IS A LOT OF VALIDITY TO WHAT YOU READ IN THAT ARTICLE.
AND WHEN YOU LAY THAT THE EDUCATIONAL STRATEGY, IF YOU WERE COUNTING SIDE BY SIDE, YOU MAY SEE A LOT OF SIMILARITIES.
THANK YOU, MR. I GOT A SECOND COMMENT AND I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, UH, THE, UH, INTERSECTION OF MORE TOWN ROAD AND BULLET FONTS.
YOU ALL KNOW WHERE THAT IS BETWEEN THREE 30 AND SIX O'CLOCK.
I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, LIGHTSPEED, I WOULD ASK YOU TO PUT SOME FRESH OR PRONOUNCE A BIT, NOT THE BID, BUT I'M TELLING YOU WHAT, JUST TO GET OUT OF MY OFFICE TO GET, GO TOWARD MY HOUSE, WHICH IS NEAR THE QUEEN'S LAKE.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME, HE'S LOOKING AT HER.
IT'S JUST, AND THEN I THINK IT'S THERE CELEBRATE AND ACROSS, AND JUST, JUST LIKE THAT FOR LIKE TWO, THREE HOURS AND SO DIFFERENT ROSSI.
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SURE.APPRECIATE THE WORK HE'S DOING ACCELERATED XL, RIGHT? LIKE YOU GO THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS TONIGHT.
MR. MR. UH, JUST THE BIG TAKEAWAYS FROM WHAT MRS. DURHAM WAS SAYING IS, UM, AT LEAST FOR ME WAS WE ALL PROBABLY NEED TO REALLY, REALLY PAY ATTENTION, NOT TO BUZZWORDS, BUT TO WHAT IS ACTUALLY BEING TAUGHT.
WHAT ARE, WHAT, WHAT OUR KIDS ARE LEARNING.
UM, SO DON'T FOCUS ON THE BUZZWORD.
FOCUS ON THE CONTENT IS THE CONTENT AGREEABLE YES OR NO.
AND THEN TAKE ACTION FROM THERE.
AND ONE LEVEL LOWER THAN THE, THIS ARTICLE IN THE ARTICLES LIKE IT, IT'S CALLED A LESSON PLANS, LESSON PLANS, PROBABLY IF IT'S GOING TO BE REVEALED AT ALL, IF IT EXISTS, IT'S GOING TO BE DOWN IN THE LESSON PLAN.
ALTHOUGH I WAS A TEACHER IN CERTAIN THINGS TO TEACH, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T WANT IT IN EVEN MY LESSON PLAN.
WE BOTH TAUGHT BEFORE, YOU KNOW WHAT? I KNOW WHAT THESE THINGS CALLED.
LESSON PLANS, RIGHT? MR. SHEPHERD.
UH, IT BRINGS ME TO MYSELF AND I'VE GOT TWO COMMENTS TO MAKE ONE I'D LIKE TO BRING TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION THAT YOUR COUNTY OUT OF 95 COUNTIES IN VIRGINIA WAS NAMED THE THIRD BEST COUNTY.
UH, WE WERE RIGHT BEHIND FAIRFAX AND LOUDEN COUNTY.
AND I JUST WANT TO PUT FAIRFAX AND LOUDEN ON NOTICE THAT A YORK WE'RE COMING AFTER YOU.
AND I HOPE TO BE IN THE NUMBER ONE SPOT NEXT YEAR, WHEN THE LIST IS COMPILED.
THE OTHER THING IS, 4TH OF JULY IS COMING UP.
COME ON DOWN TO THE PARADE, COME ON DOWN TO THE BEACH, ENJOY YOURSELF, ENJOY THE WONDERFUL THINGS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON HERE IN YOUR COUNTY.
AND, UH, WE ARE HAVING THE PARADE THIS YEAR IN THE MORNING AND FIREWORKS IN THE EVENING.
SO COME ON OUT, GET ON OUT HERE AND ENJOY LOVELY YORKTOWN WITH THAT OR NICK.
WHAT WAS THE SOURCE OF THAT? UH, DORA KENNEDY BEING THIRD.
SO THAT THOSE WHO DOUBT THAT IT HAD A SOURCE TO GO TO.
WELL, UH, IT'S A MAGAZINE THAT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH NICHE MAGAZINE AND, UH, IT WAS PUT TOGETHER AND, UH, AND YOU CAN GOOGLE IT.
IT'S IT'S BEEN BEEN WELL-ESTABLISHED AND, AND VALID.
[CLOSED MEETING.]
AT SIX O'CLOCK HERE.IT WILL BE A REGULAR MEETING, JULY 20TH, AND WE HAVE TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION CAUSE WE HAVE BUSINESS.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 71, 11 8, 1 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA.
I MOVED IT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, CONVENING CLOSED MEETING TO CONSIDER A PERSONNEL MATTER INVOLVING THE APPOINTMENT OF INDIVIDUALS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.