[1. Call to Order]
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THIS MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER.
IT IS APRIL 14TH, 2021 FOR THE RECORD.
THIS IS A MEETING OF THE YORK COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION BEING HELD BY ELECTRONIC MEANS WITHOUT A QUORUM BEING PHYSICALLY ASSEMBLED IN ONE PLACE PURSUANT TO AN EMERGENCY ORDINANCE ADOPTED BY THE YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON JUNE 16TH, 2020.
THIS MEETING IS BEING HELD REMOTELY UNDER THE EMERGENCY CONTINUITY OF GOVERNMENT ORDINANCE ADOPTED UNDER CODE OF VIRGINIA SECTION 15.2 DASH 1413, ALLOWING PUBLIC MEETINGS OF COUNTY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, AND AUTHORITIES TO MEET REMOTELY.
THIS ACTION WAS TAKEN BECAUSE OF THE HEALTH EMERGENCY RESULTING FROM THE CORONA VIRUS PANDEMIC, MAKING AN ASSEMBLY OF THE COMMISSION AND STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IN ONE PLACE UNSAFE BECAUSE OF THE HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS NATURE OF THE CORONA VIRUS PANDEMIC.
AS WITH ALL LIVE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS.
THIS MEETING IS AVAILABLE TO WATCH ON W Y C G TV COX CABLE CHANNEL 46, VERIZON FILES CHANNEL 38 OR LIVE STREAMING@YOURCOUNTY.GOV BACKSLASH TV.
I AM MICHAEL KING COMMISSION CHAIR, AND I'M SITTING IN THE BOARDROOM OF YOUR CALL IN YORKTOWN.
OTHER COMMISSION MEMBERS PARTICIPATING REMOTELY ARE MR. MANI JOHNS, MR. GLENN TITUS, MR. ROBERT CRINER, MR. PETE PETERMAN AND MR. BREWSTER COUNTY STAFF PRESENT OR PARTICIPATING REMOTELY ARE MR. TIM KRAUSE, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
MR. JUSTIN ATKINS, ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY MS. AMY PARKER, SENIOR PLANNER, EARL ANDERSON, SENIOR PLANNER AND DARIA LYNN'S AND BIGLER PLANNING ASSISTANT.
WITH THAT I'D LIKE TO ASK MS. LENZEN BIGLER TO PLEASE CALL THE ROLL, MR. JOHN'S MONEY.
ARE YOU ON MUTE, MR. TITUS? MS. LEADER HERE, MR. KING, MR. CRINER, DEAR MR. STARK.
MR. PETERMAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN YOU HAVE A QUORUM? THANK YOU, MS. LINSON BIGLER.
CAN I ASK EVERYONE PLEASE NOW TO A STAND AND SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
[4. Approve Minutes – February 10, 2021]
SCOTT, UM, AGENDA AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS OUR APPROVAL OF OUR FEBRUARY 10TH, 2021 MINUTES.ARE THERE ANY CHANGES, ADDITIONS OR AMENDMENTS NOTED FOR THE MINUTES? DID I HEAR SOMEONE SAY YES.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? SO I MOVED HERE.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. CRINER TO APPROVE THE MINUTES WITH THE WINDS AND BIGLER.
THE MOTION BY MR. CRINER IS TO ADOPT THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF FEBRUARY 10TH, 2021.
MR. CRINER, MR. PETERMAN? YES.
YES, THE MOTION PASSES SIX TO ZERO.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS TO SPEAK ON ITEMS BEFORE THEY ARE ITEMS THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY ON OUR AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING.
SO, UH, EARL, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK UNDER AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE? OKAY.
UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, YOU CAN RAISE YOUR HAND AND I'LL KNOW THAT YOU WANT TO SPEAK.
IF YOU WERE ON A TELEPHONE AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, YOU CAN HIT STAR NINE AND THAT WILL RAISE YOUR HAND.
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A FEW SECONDS TO SEE IF THEY WANT TO RAISE THEIR HAND.I'D LIKE TO REITERATE THAT IT YOU'RE, YOU'RE FREE TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION ON MATTERS THAT ARE NOT, I REPEAT NOT ON OUR CURRENT AGENDA.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY RAISED HANDS.
[Application No. UP-964-21, Orin B. Collier and David R. Chaffins]
ALL RIGHT.THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
AND OUR FIRST APPLICATION IS APPLICATION NUMBER NINE 64, 21 OR IN COLLIER AND DAVID CHAFING.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, IS THAT AMY PARKER? YOU'RE ON WELCOME AND GOOD EVENING.
THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A TOURIST HOME WITHIN AN EXISTING ACCESSORY AT ONE 21 LAFAYETTE ROAD.
UM, THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPER.
I ACTUALLY HAD A, AT A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED TOURIST TOWN BETWEEN 2010 AND 2018.
UH, THE USE WAS DISCONTINUED AT THAT POINT.
UH, SO IT EXPIRED AFTER TWO YEARS AND, UM, CHANGED OWNERSHIP.
THE NEW OWNERS WHO ARE THE APPLICANTS NOW WISH TO REINSTATE THE USE.
THIS IS THE MOREHOUSE SUBDIVISION.
UH, THE APPLICANTS PROPERTIES ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED TO LOTS.
UM, ALL THE PROPERTY, ALL THE BUILDINGS YOU SEE, THERE ARE SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL ZONING MAP IN THE AREA.
UM, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE R 20 MEDIUM DENSITY, SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL SURROUNDING DISTRICT RESOURCE CONSERVATION IS THE GREEN LOTS GREEN PROPERTIES.
AND THAT IS ALL NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH THE BATTLEFIELD PARK.
AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED FOR A MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IN THE COMP PLAN.
SO IT'S A AERIAL OVERALL AREAS OF THE SUBDIVISION THERE.
PROPERTY HIGHLIGHTED IN RED AND A CLOSEUP OF THAT VEHICLE ACCESS IS ACTUALLY FROM MOREHOUSE ROAD, WHICH IS AT THE TOP OF THE SCREEN, UM, EXISTING PARKING FOR THE, UH, TOURIST HOME HERE RIGHT OFF OF MOREHOUSE.
AND, UH, THE HOUSE ACTUALLY FACES, UH, LAFAYETTE.
THIS IS A VIEW FROM A MOREHOUSE ROAD SHOWING THE MAIN DWELLING AND THE PARKING FOR THE TOURIST HOME ON THE LEFT, UM, TOWARDS FOAMS, A LITTLE BUILDING ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE, THE SCREAM TWO CAR GARAGE, UH, AMPLE PARKING ON THE PROPERTY.
AND, UH, THIS IS, UH, STANDING UP NEAR THE HOUSE, LOOKING AT THE TOURIST HOME.
AND YOU NOTE, THERE IS A FENCING THAT HAS BEEN INSTALLED, UH, FOR BUFFERING AGAINST THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, LOOKING DOWN THE EAST END OF MOREHOUSE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY ON THE RIGHT AND OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
IT'S FOR HOUSES ACROSS THE STREET ON WATERTOWN.
AND, UH, THIS IS THE WESTERN NEIGHBOR, UH, OFF OF MORE TOWNS, ACTUALLY THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
AND ON THE OTHER SIDE, EASTERN, YOU CAN SEE THE TORSO BUILDING THERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
AND THIS IS LOOKING FROM LAFAYETTE ROAD, PART OF THE HOUSE, A NEIGHBOR TO THE LEFT.
YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THE HOUSE FOR ALL THE EVERGREENS THERE AND NEIGHBOR ON THE RIGHT, AND THIS IS HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET ON LAFAYETTE.
THIS WOULD BE A APPLICANT SKETCH POINT.
IT'S ACTUALLY A COPY OF THE SKETCH PLAN THAT WAS TURNED IN IN 2010, UM, BEING DWELLING HERE TOWARDS FOAM HERE AND EXISTING GRAVEL DRIVE, INCLUDING THE, UH, EXISTING PARKING SPACE, UH, FOR THE TOURIST HOME OFF OF, UM, MORE TOWN, I'VE GOT A BETTER SKETCH, UH, DWELLING, A, UH, 1,872 SQUARE FEET.
THE TOURIST HOME IS A 456 SQUARE FEET.
UH, THE PARCELS TOGETHER ARE 0.4, TWO ACRES.
AS I NOTED IN THE PICTURES, THERE IS A TWO CAR GARAGE WITH A SEPARATE PARKING FOR THE TOURIST HOME AND EXISTING LANDSCAPE OFFER THAT WAS ACTUALLY INSTALLED, UH, IN 2010 FOR THE ORIGINAL TOURIST HOME.
AND YOU KNOW THAT THE PROPERTY LINE DOWN THE MIDDLE, UM, OF THE PROPERTY HERE, UH, LOTS WERE ALL APPLAUDED BACK IN 1924.
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UM, AND OF COURSE THAT WAS LONG BEFORE ZONING AND, UM, THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN THE LATE 1960S.SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO NOW IS WITH THIS APPLICATION, ONE OF OUR APPROVAL CONDITIONS WILL BE TO DO A LOT LINE VACATION SO THAT THIS IS ALL ONE LOT.
SO THE DWELLING AND THE TOURIST HOME AND PARKING AND EVERYTHING ARE ALL ON THE SAME LOT.
SO FLOOR PLAN SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, TWO FLOORS LIVING ROOM, KITCHEN, DINING AREA, AND BATHROOM ON THE GROUND FLOOR, AND THEN THE BEDROOM AREA ON THE TOP, RIGHT SUMMARY 456 SQUARE FOOT TOURS HOME IN AN EXISTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
IT WAS PREVIOUSLY USED BETWEEN 2010 AND 2018, UH, UNDER PERMIT NUMBER A UPC SEVEN SEVEN 77, SEVEN SEVEN, 10, UM, APPROVED IN JUNE OF 2010, ONE, UH, ONLY ONE BEDROOM, KITCHEN, DINING LIVING ROOM AND BATHROOM ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
THERE WOULD BE A MAXIMUM OF TWO GUESTS AT ANY ONE TIME.
AND THE LENGTH OF STAY ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT WOULD RANGE FROM ONE TO 14 NIGHTS.
OWNERS WOULD RESIDE ON THE PREMISES DURING TIMES THAT THE TORSO RENTALS WOULD BE GOING ON.
UM, THERE IS ONE DEDICATED OFF STREET PARKING, UH, FOR THE TOURIST HOME TRAFFIC, UM, EXPECTED FROM A TOURIST HOME WOULD BE UP TO 10.5 ADDITIONAL DAILY VEHICLE TRIPS.
ACCORDING TO THE INSTITUTE OF TRAFFIC ENGINEERING, YOU'VE A NORMAL AVERAGE DAILY VEHICLE TRIPS FOR A SINGLE FAMILY.
DETACHED DWELLING IS NINE AND A HALF.
UH, MOREHOUSE ROAD CARRIES, UH, AN AVERAGE DAILY VEHICLE COUNT OF 240, UH, VEHICLES.
ACCORDING TO CURRENT VITA ESTIMATES AND STAFF DOESN'T BELIEVE THAT ANY ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC FROM THE TOUR'S HOME WOULD CAUSE ANY PROBLEMS FOR THE ROAD.
A SITE LAYOUT FLOOR PLANS ARE SHOWN ON THE APPLICATION PLANS WOULD BE MANAGED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE APPLICANT'S NARRATIVE IN RESIDENCE, TOURIST HOME OPERATORS.
OH, THEY WOULD BE IN RESIDENCE THE ENTIRE TIME.
AND, UM, WE ACTUALLY HAD, WE HAD SENT OUT A REVISED, UM, RESOLUTION FOR THE APPLICATION TO, TO FURTHER CLARIFY THAT, UM, CONDITION NUMBER FOUR WOULD READ THE OWNERS OPERATORS OF THE TOURIST HOME SHALL RESIDE ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY DURING TIMES OF ALL TOURIST HOME RENTALS.
SO TO CLARIFY THAT MAXIMUM ONE SUITE TWO GUESTS LIMIT AT ANY ONE TIME, ONE OFF STREET PARKING SPACE FOR THE TOURISM TO BE MAINTAINED AND THE PROPERTY LINE VACATION AND PARCEL CONSOLIDATION TO BE TAKEN CARE OF BEFORE THE COMMENCEMENT OF THE TOURIST HOME USE.
AND THE TERM OF THE SUP WOULD EXPIRE AUTOMATICALLY WITH THE CHANGE IN OWNERSHIP.
SO THE TORSO WOULD ONLY BE IN OPERATION AS LONG AS THE APPLICANTS IS CURRENT OWNERS ON THE PROPERTY IN CONCLUSION, FEEL THE OPERATIONS CONSISTENT WITH PREVIOUS TOURIST HOMES AND, AND, UH, WOULD BE RUN EXACTLY AS THE PREVIOUS TOUR.
SO MUSE HAD BEEN RUN ON THE PROPERTY.
WE, UH, RECEIVED NO COMPLAINTS DURING THE, THE EIGHT YEARS THAT THE PREVIOUS TOURIST HOME WAS IN USE ON THAT PROPERTY.
I DON'T FEEL THERE'D BE ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON THE SURROUNDING AREA THAT CONDITIONS WOULD LIMIT IT TO A SMALL-SCALE OPERATION.
AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL IN ACCORDANCE WITH RESOLUTION PC 21 DASH SIX R.
AND I WOULD NOTE WE RECEIVED NO COMMENTS FROM ANY CITIZENS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE DID RECEIVE ONE COMMENT FROM ANOTHER CITIZEN WHO HAD RECOMMENDED, UM, DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION, AND THAT WAS FORWARDED.
THE EMAIL WAS FORWARDED TO ALL OF YOU.
AND WITH THAT, I CAN, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS FROM OUR COMMISSIONERS? IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, RAISE YOUR HAND AND I'LL CALL ON YOU, DOESN'T LOOK LIKE I'M SEEING ANY AND NO QUESTIONS FROM OUR COMMISSIONERS.
SO WE WILL MOVE OVER TO OUR CITIZEN.
CALL-INS UH, MR. ANDERSON, IF YOU WOULD, IS THERE ANYBODY THAT'S OUT THERE THAT WILL WISH TO COMMENT ON THIS APPLICATION? UM, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND WOULD, OH, OKAY, GOOD.
LET ME SEE IF I'M GETTING TURNED HIS VIDEO ON.
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AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, UH, TO THE YORK COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSIONER.UM, I PURCHASED, UH, ALONG WITH MY HUSBAND ONE 21 LAFAYETTE ROAD ABOUT A YEAR AGO, AND ANTICIPATION OF RETIRING AND MOVING BACK DOWN THERE.
UM, AND WHEN WE DID, UM, AND REALIZE THAT IT DID HAVE THE, UM, AUXILIARY DWELLING UNIT, WE DID THE, UH, THE ANTICIPATED PLAN OF, OF, UH, RENTING THAT OUT AS A, UH, AS A TOURIST HOME, WE STARTED DOING SOME RESEARCH, REALIZED THAT IT NEEDED A, UM, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UM, AND THEREFORE APPLIED FOR THE, UH, APPLIED FOR THE APPLICATION.
UM, WE HAVE LIVED IN THAT AREA IN THE HAMPTON ROADS AREA FOR OVER 20 YEARS, UH, IN 2015, UH, DUE TO A JOB TRANSFER, MOVED UP TO THE NORTHERN VIRGINIA AREA.
BUT AS I STATED, I'M ABOUT READY TO RETIRE AND WE ARE, AND WE ARE MOVING BACK DOWN TO, UH, TO YORKTOWN AND WE'LL BE MOVING BACK INTO, UH, INTO, UH, ONE 21 LAFAYETTE ROAD.
UM, I'VE, I'VE SPOKEN WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
UH, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE ACTUALLY SHARED WITH ME THAT, UH, WHEN IT WAS PREVIOUSLY, UH, USED AS A TOURIST HOME, THAT THEY AVAIL THEMSELVES TO THAT OPPORTUNITY WHEN THEY HAD GUESTS BECAUSE OF ITS CLOSE PROXIMITY AND THE CONVENIENCE OF HAVING, UM, RELATIVES OR FRIENDS, UH, ABLE TO STAY THERE.
UM, SO I THINK IT WOULD ADD A BENEFIT TO, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, IN ADDITION, I WOULD THAT PARENTS, AUNTS, AND UNCLES, OTHER RELATIVES THAT, UH, EITHER COME TO VISIT OR COME TO, UM, PARTICIPATE IN THE GRADUATION FROM A, UM, UM, COAST GUARD, MEN AND WOMEN WHO, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE TRAINING AND GRADUATING FROM THE COAST GUARD BASE, BE ABLE TO RENT A LOCATION THAT IS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THAT.
I ALSO, I THINK, WOULD BE AN ADDED BENEFIT.
UM, I, I DON'T ANTICIPATE THIS TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, FULL-TIME THRIVING BUSINESS.
WE SEE IT MORE AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE, UM, UH, A USE FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOLKS IN YORKTOWN, THE COAST GUARD BASE.
UM, WE PLAN ON, ON, UM, ADVERTISING IT ON AIRBNB.
I HAVE, UM, SECURE A WEBSITE SO THAT IN THE FUTURE, IF I WANT TO, YOU KNOW, CREATE MY OWN WEBSITE, I HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
BUT I THINK INITIALLY WE WILL, WE'LL JUST PUT IT ON, ON AIRBNB.
SO SUBJECT TO, UH, TO ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, I WOULD JUST ASK THAT, UH, UM, RECOMMEND, UH, APPROVAL FOR THE, UM, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UM, ANY COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS OF, UH, OF OUR APPLICANTS THIS EVENING? I'M, I'M SEEING NONE.
UH, SO I'LL, I'LL MOVE IT OVER TO BACK TO YOU.
DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS OUT OF WISH TO COMMENT ON THIS? ALL RIGHT, LET ME, DO YOU HAVE ONE PERSON MR. HALL, ROY, I'M GOING TO BRING HIM INTO THE MEETING.
ALL RIGHT, MR. HOLROYD, IF YOU WANT TO UNMUTE AND TURN YOUR VIDEO ON MR. HOLROYD WELCOMED.
I DON'T SEE WHERE I CAN TURN THE VIDEO ON.
OKAY, WELL GO AHEAD, MR. HALL, ROY, YOU GOT THREE MINUTES.
I, I GUESS MY, MY, MY ISSUE, MR. CHAIRMAN AND WELL, I, I REALLY DON'T TAKE EXCEPTION TO THIS PROPOSAL TONIGHT.
I SEE A LACK OF A POLICY, UH, IN NEW YORK, YOUR TOWN, OR YOUR COUNTY ON HOW TO HANDLE THESE A B AND BS.
IT SEEMS EVERY MONTH WE HAVE A NUMBER FOR SPECIAL USE AND, AND A GOOD PRESENTATION, BUT WE'RE LACKING A UNIFIED PROCESS IN TERMS OF HOW WE EVALUATE THEM AND HOW WE MOVE FORWARD TO EITHER REJECT OR ACCEPT THE APPLICATIONS.
I WENT BACK THROUGH THE ARCHIVES.
I SEE BACK IN 2017, THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR PLANNING STAFF TO PULL TOGETHER A POLICY.
I'VE LOOKED AT WILLIAMSBURG, I'VE LOOKED AT, UH, CHARLOTTESVILLE.
THEY BOTH HAVE VERY, UH, VERY CLEAR POLICIES ON, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMITS FOR AIRBNB OR OTHER, OR, UM, OCCASIONAL USE, UH, HOMES.
UM, I, I SEE WHERE THERE WAS A PLANNING, PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, WORK SESSION HELD IN 2019 TO ADDRESS THE SAME ISSUE, BUT I STILL DON'T SEE A POLICY.
AND I GUESS MY REQUEST TO YOU IS WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO MOVE FORWARD AND GET A UNIFIED POLICY IN PLACE SO THAT WE'RE NOT DEBATING THESE, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMITS, UH, EVERY MONTH ON DIFFERENT CRITERIA? ANY QUESTION QUESTIONS OF MR. HOLROYD MORE COMMISSIONERS.
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MR. ANDERSON, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAS CALLED IN? YES, WE HAVE ONE MORE SECOND.UM, I DON'T HAVE A NAME, BUT IT'S FIVE, FOUR, FOUR EIGHT ONE FIVE.
DO YOU HAVE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? GO AHEAD AND UNMUTE.
MY NAME IS RICHARD HOWL LIVE WITH 104 HOST SRI DRIVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO ECHO SOME OF WHAT WAS JUST SAID.
UM, I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M DISAPPOINTED TO SEE THAT WE'RE ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS.
SPREADSHEET PAYS FOR TOURIST HOMES WHEN IT AUGUST 20, UH, 2019 BOARD SUPERVISORS MEETING DEBRIEF, THE SCHOOL BASICALLY SAID THAT THEY DID NOT DESERVE TO CONSIDER ANY ADDITIONAL TOURIST HOME APPLICATIONS PRIOR TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF ADDITIONAL GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS TO ASSIST THE COMMISSION AND BOARD IN EVALUATING SUCH APPLICATION.
I SPOKE AT THAT MEETING AND POINTED OUT THE NEED FOR STRATEGIC PLAN FOR STR.
NOW, AS WAS SAID, YOU HELD ORC SESSIONS AND DID COME UP WITH A FEW ITEMS THAT WERE APPROVED IN MARCH OF 2020, BUT THOSE FOUR AMENDMENTS REALLY DID NOTHING TO ESTABLISH A STRATEGIC PLAN OR GUIDANCE, THE ISSUE OF STRS AND THE COUNTY.
AND THERE HAVE BEEN NO OTHER UPDATES SINCE THEN, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PRESERVED QUEEN'S LAKE TAM, WHICH I REPRESENT HAVE HELD A NUMBER OF MEETINGS WITH THE COUNTY STAFF THREE, TO BE EXACT, TO DISCUSS THE CONCERNS IS CONSIDERED ON A COUNTYWIDE BASIS, NOT JUST OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, AND TO REALLY TRY TO DISCUSS THOSE CONCERNS AND PROVIDE CITIZEN INPUT THOUGHTS ON THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT CAN HELP DEVELOP THAT STRATEGIC VISION AND APPROACH.
THESE DISCUSSIONS HAVE BEEN MOVING SLOWLY, PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE COACH DEMANDS AND THE STAFF SO FORTH.
UH, MEANWHILE, APPLICATIONS CONTINUE TO COME IN AND EACH IS CONSIDERED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS HARDLY A STRATEGIC APPROACH.
AND I WONDER HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE WONDERED YOURSELVES? HOW MANY OF THESE COULD END UP IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD NEXT TO ME, DISTRICT THREE HOLDS THE LARGEST NUMBER OF TOURIST HOMES.
DISTRICT ONE IS IN SECOND PLACE AND TOGETHER THEY CAN BOW.
THEY, THEY HAVE THE LARGEST NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS.
YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT THESE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, COLLECTIVE IMPACT IS NOT PART OF THE CONVERSATION OR DECISION PROCESS.
THERE IS NO STRATEGIC ASPECT THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
A REQUIREMENT FOR SEP OR STR IS THAT IT IS NECESSARY AND APPROPRIATE.
WHAT'S THE BASIS FOR THAT DETERMINATION.
HAVE THERE BEEN ANY IMPACT STUDIES DONE OUTREACH TO THE CITIZENS, YOUR COUNTY ON THIS SPECIFIC MATTER? THE COMP PLAN SURVEY REALLY IS A VALID INDICATOR FOR DETERMINING THE VOICE OF THE CITIZENS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE DID THE WORK WE KNOCKED ON OVER 400 DOORS AND DETERMINED THAT 80% OF OUR RESIDENTS DIDN'T WANT TOURISTS HOMES IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEY DESIRED STRONGER GUIDELINES FOR ALL STR APPLICATIONS APPLICATION.
AND I HAS STRENGTHS, BUT I'M OPPOSED TO APPROVAL OF THIS OR ANY OTHER APPLICATION BY THE PLANNING STAFF, UNTIL WE MEET THE REQUEST OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO ESTABLISH STANDARDS, TO ASSIST THEM IN THEIR DECISION PROCESS, STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES THAT PROVIDE A VISION AND A PLAN FOR THE WAY AHEAD AS YOUR COUNTY HOMEOWNER, I AM HIGHLY CONCERNED THAT THERE IS NO STRATEGIC OR PLAN FOR THESE BUSINESSES.
AND UNTIL THERE IS, WE CONTINUE TO BLINDLY ADDRESS EACH APPLICATION WITHOUT REGARD TO CUMULATIVE IMPACT OR CLEAR DIRECTION FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, MR. ANDERSON, ANYBODY ELSE? NO, SIR.
NO ONE OTHER, NO ONE ELSE TO SPEAK.
UM, AND THEN I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION, UH, AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.
UM, OUR CITIZENS MADE SOME GOOD COMMENTS, I THINK, UH, HOWEVER WE OWE IT TO THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGES TO OUR REGULATIONS AT THIS TIME.
I JUST HIGHLY BELIEVE IT'S SO UNFAIR TO HOLD PEOPLE UP WHEN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE PERMITS, THIS KIND OF USE.
I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS THAT CITIZENS HAD.
THIS SEEMS TO BE AN INAPPROPRIATE LOCATION.
THEY'VE DONE IT BEFORE FOR EIGHT YEARS AND HOMEOWNER IS GOING TO LIVE THERE.
SO, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING I WOULD SUPPORT, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE COMMISSION.
ANY, ANY QUESTIONS, ANY DISCUSSION, ANY COMMENTS RAISE YOUR HAND, I'LL CALL ON YOU, GLENN.
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WERE FIRST.UH, YEAH, I'VE BEEN OUT TO THE HOUSE THERE AND MY ONLY CONCERN AS I LOOKED AT IT, THE ROAD IS NARROW, SO I WAS GOING ONE WAY AND A DELIVERY TRUCK WAS GOING THE OTHER WAY AND WE KIND OF HIT WAIT.
UH, SO I SUPPORT THIS KIND OF APPLICATION, ESPECIALLY WITH THE OWNER RESIDING PLACE, THE TOURIST HOME.
UH, UM, MR. CRINER, THE NUMBER OF THE CONDITIONS THE COUNTY STAFF HAS PUT ON IT, UH, I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE.
I THINK MR. JOHNS, YOU WERE ANOTHER ONE HAD YOUR HAND UP.
WE HAVE GOTTEN SOME FEEDBACK FROM MEMBERS OF DISTRICT ONE.
AND SO WE ARE WAY I WANT TO SAY BROADLY SPEAKING, THAT WE ARE AWARE OF THE CONCERN OF CITIZENS, OF HOW WE, UH, UH, APPROVED THE APPROVAL PROCESS.
I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION IS THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE LOOKING AT THIS APPLICATION.
I AM HAPPY TO SEE THAT SOME OF THE CONDITIONS, UH, FOR APPROVAL HAVE BEEN SOME THAT I'VE HEARD ECHOED FROM THE CONCERNED CITIZENS, FOR INSTANCE, THAT IT DOES NOT RUN WITH THE PROPERTY.
UH, IT SEIZES, UH, WHEN THE CURRENT AFRICAN IT'S NO LONGER THE OWNER.
ALSO ONE OF THE DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN A BED AND BREAKFAST AND TOURISTS, UH, THAT HAS GENERATED SOME CONCERN IS THE REQUIREMENT.
THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT THE OWNER WOULD HAVE TO BE THERE, BUT THE, UH, THE APPLICANT SAID THAT WE WILL BE THERE, UH, WHEN THERE WAS A WILL TO OCCUR.
SO THIS DOES ADDRESS, UH, SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT I'VE HEARD, UH, AS DISTRICT ONE REPRESENTATIVE.
AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING.
AND SO I DO SEE THIS AS AN EVOLVING PROCESS.
UM, I DO SEE THAT AT ONE TIME WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT.
WE DID SAY IT WAS ONE WITH THE PROPERTY, AND SO THERE HAS BEEN SOME PROGRESS, UH, AND THIS IS MAYBE THE SECOND OR THIRD SDR WHERE IT'S, UH, DOES NOT RUN WITH THE PROPERTY.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE RESULT THAT FROM CITIZEN INPUT.
SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE CITIZENS TO CONTINUE TO LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.
AND I DO SEE SOME MOVEMENT, UH, IN TRYING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE AREAS WHERE POSSIBLE, UH, I DO SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION.
IT IS LOCATED NEAR A TOURIST HUB, UM, WHICH I THINK IS A DESIRED, UH, LOCATION, UH, FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL.
SO, UM, I THINK IT'S A GOOD APPLICATION AND IT HAS SOME ELEMENTS THAT I THINK ARE, UH, ARE DESIRABLE AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN FUTURE STR, UH, APPLICATIONS.
THANK YOU, MR. JOHNS, THANK YOU FOR THOSE WORDS OF WISDOM AND APPRECIATE YOU ADDRESSING THE FACT THAT WE HAVE MADE SOME IMPROVEMENTS, UH, TO THE ORDINANCE.
UH, AND I DO RECALL THE WORK SESSION WE'VE HAVE ADDRESSED SOME OF THE CITIZENS' CONCERN.
UH, WE KNOW THAT IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, NO ORDINANCE IS PERFECT.
AND AS WE CONTINUE, UH, TO LEARN, UH, WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO OUR CITIZENS AND, UM, WHAT I, I STILL REITERATE, YOU CAN APPLY THIS AT A BLANKET ACROSS THE COUNTY.
EVERY CASE IS UNIQUE, UM, AND THEY HAVE TO BE EVALUATED UNDER, UH, INDIVIDUAL PROPOSAL WITHIN A NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO THERE ARE SOME, UH, PAROCHIAL INTERESTS THAT APPLY STRICTLY TO THE CASE.
AND, AND I WOULDN'T ADVOCATE A BLANKET PROCESS, BUT BONNIE, THANK YOU FOR, FOR ADDRESSING THAT.
AND NOW WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS AND, UH, WE'RE OPEN TO, UM, MAKING IT AS, UH, UM, TIGHT AS WE CAN TO ENSURE THAT THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE WILL OF THE CITIZENS.
SO, UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM OUR COMMISSIONERS, IF NOT ALL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD PC 21 DASH SIX.
THANK YOU, MR. JOHNS, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE TO RECOMMEND TO PC 20.
THAT'LL BE ON MR. JOHN'S, 21 DASH SIX 21 DASH SIX ARE MS. LINSON BIGLER.
THE MOTION BY MR. JOHNS IS TO ADAPT PC 21 DASH SIX ARE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT
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TO AUTHORIZE A TOURIST HOME AT ONE 21 LAFAYETTE ROAD.MOTION PASSES SIX TO ZERO RIGHT BEFORE THE BOARD.
[Application No. UP-965-21, Omer Art Inc]
THANK YOU.AND WE'RE MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, WHICH IS APPLICATION NUMBER U P DASH NINE 65 DASH 21, OMAR ART INCORPORATED.
AND I'LL JUST PREFACED THIS ONE WITH, UM, THE STAFF KNOWS THAT, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY MY FEELINGS ARE THAT IF THE APPLICANT IS NOT WILLING TO SHOW UP FOR THEIR CASE, THAT YOU KNOW, UH, DENNIS, AND IF IT'S NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU, IT'S NOT IMPORTANT TO US.
WHOEVER, IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE AN EXCEPTION.
THE APPLICANT IS, UH, UH, OUT OF THE COUNTRY AND BECAUSE OF THE CORONA VIRUS, UH, CANNOT GET BACK HERE, UM, FOR THE MEETING, UH, AND THIS WAS SCHEDULED AHEAD OF TIME AND HE WAS UNAWARE OF THAT.
SO THERE ARE MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES.
SO, UH, MY, MY OPINION IS, IS THAT WE WILL HEAR THE CASE AND IT'S NOT HIS FAULT AND W WOULD WISH TO BE HERE.
AND I THINK, I THINK, UH, MR. CROSS TOLD ME HE'S IN INDIA.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE QUITE FAR AWAY IN, ON A TIME ZONE.
SO, UM, AND I THINK, UH, THIS APPLICATION IS OKAY.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
UM, THIS APPLICATION IS, UH, FOR AN EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING CONVENIENCE STORE LOCATED AT 73 OH FIVE GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY.
THE APPLICANT IS ART INCORPORATED.
THE PROPERTY IS OUTLINED IN BLUE ON THE ZONING MAP AND SYDNEY NORTHWEST QUADRANT OF THE INTERSECTION OF ROUTE 17 AND WHITE'S ROAD.
IT IS OCCUPIED TESTERS, CONVENIENCE STORE.
UH, PRIOR TO THAT, I BELIEVE IT WAS APPEASE.
AND I THINK AT ONE TIME, IT MIGHT'VE BEEN A LITTLE SOUS.
OH, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED GENERAL BUSINESS AND DESIGNATED GENERAL BUSINESS ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS IS ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY.
UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION, THERE IS, UH, ONE, OUR 20TH MEETING, NETSUITE, RESIDENTIAL LOT ACROSS WHITES ROAD, UM, SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT CONSISTS OF THE STORE MORE FIVE MINI STORAGE FACILITY TO THE MORRIS AND CONTRACTOR, UH, BUILDING AND STORAGE YARD.
UM, IT WAS A VACANT PARCEL TO WEST ZONED GENERAL BUSINESS.
AND BEYOND THAT FURTHER DOWN WIDESPREAD, YOU'VE GOT, UH, UH, SUBDIVISION OF SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF WHITES ROAD.
UH, THERE IS A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOME, AND THERE IS A, THEY CAN PARCEL THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY OCCUPIED BY A GAS STATION, CONVENIENCE STORE, AND ACROSS THE, UH, ACROSS ROUTE 17 IS THE NEW STATE FARM BUILDING AND JOHN HENRY PRINTING AND THE YORK VILLAGE SHOPPING CENTER BACK IN 1979, WHEN THE EXISTING CONVENIENCE STORE WAS BUILT WITH TWO GAS PUMPS, UM, IT'S A 2,160 SQUARE FOOT STORE.
AND AT THAT TIME UNDER THE
SO RATHER THAN A NON-CONFORMING USE, IT IS WHAT WE CALL A LEGALLY CONFORMING SPECIAL USE, WHICH MEANS WE TREAT IT AS IF THERE WERE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, THE APPLICANT, UH, PROPOSES TO, UH, PUT A, UH, ALMOST 1300 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION ONTO THE BUILDING.
AND BECAUSE THAT'S AN INCREASE IN FLOOR AREA GREATER THAN 25%, 60% TO BE EXACT, UH, IT IS CONSIDERED A MAJOR EXPANSION.
AND SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH THIS USE PERMIT PROCESS FOR APPROVAL.
UH, THERE WOULD BE NO INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF GUESTS PUMPS OR FUELING STATIONS UNDER THIS PROPOSAL.
HERE'S A BIRD'S-EYE VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEN HERE'S THE FRONT OF THE, UH, PROPERTY SEEN FROM ROUTE 17 AND ZOOMING IN A LITTLE BIT, UH, TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE
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PROPERTY IS WHERE THE BUILDING ADDITION WOULD GO IN THIS GREEN AREA.AND THEN THERE IS A, A CROSS ACCESS, UH, BETWEEN, UH, THIS PROPERTY AND THE STORM MORE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD MANY YEARS AGO.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE STORE MORE, UH, BUILDING OVER THERE IN THE PICTURE, ALONG WITH THE DRIVEWAY THAT RUNS BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES.
AND THEN THIS IS A VIEW OF THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING FROM WHITES ROAD.
UH, NO CHANGE BEING PROPOSED THERE.
THIS IS A DRAWING OF THE DEVELOPMENT AS IT EXISTS TODAY.
AND HERE IS THE PLAN THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING ADDITION WOULD BE LOCATED OVER HERE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, TOWARD THE STORE, MORE FACILITY, A FEW THINGS TO POINT OUT.
UH, THERE IS AN EXISTING SEPTIC TANK IN THAT LOCATION.
THE APPLICANT WOULD BE ABANDONING THE SEPTIC TANK AND WOULD TIE INTO THE SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM, UH, WITH, UH, A GRINDER PUMP, UH, THAT WOULD SEND, UH, THE, UH, WASTEWATER TO THE, UH, UH, SEWER MAIN OVER ON WHITES ROW, ALONG WHITES ROAD.
UM, THE PARKING LOT, UH, IS NOT REALLY WELL-DEFINED RIGHT NOW, OR IT'D BE MUCH BETTER TO FIND WITH THIS, UH, WITH THIS PROPOSAL, IT WOULD BE RECONFIGURED, UH, ADDING SOME SPACES AND MORE CLEARLY DELINEATING THE SPACES.
UH, AN IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE IS RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE A TWO WAY ENTRANCE ON ROUTE 17, WHICH IS FAR FROM IDEAL.
THE ENTRANCE DOES NOT MEET THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT STANDARDS BECAUSE IT'S SO CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION, UH, AS PART OF THIS, UH, REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, THIS WOULD BECOME AN ENTRANCE ONLY OFFER ROUTE 17.
SO THAT MAKES THE ACCESS AND CIRCULATION A LOT SAFER BY TAKING OUT THE ABILITY FOR CARS TO EXIT DIRECTLY ON THE ROUTE 17, THIS CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION.
UH, ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THAT CURRENTLY THERE'S REALLY NO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ON SITE.
IT'S JUST BASICALLY SHEET FLOW.
THE STORMWATER GOES WHEREVER IT GOES, UH, AS PART OF THIS REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, THEY WOULD BE PUTTING IN A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, A SERIES OF, UH, GRASS SWALES AND, UM, UH, ROCKFIELD GRAVEL FILLED, UH, TRENCHES ALONG THE PARKING AREA, UH, THAT WOULD CHANNEL STORMWATER, UH, TO THE EXISTING DITCHES, UH, ON WHITES ROAD AND ROUTE 17.
AND THOSE DITCHES WOULD BE REGRADED.
SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO CHANNELIZATION.
UH, AND, AND SO THIS WOULD BE A MAJOR IMPROVEMENT AS FAR AS DRAINAGE ON THE SITE.
UM, THERE IS ABOUT A 50 FOOT VEGETATED BUFFER BEHIND THE BUILDING, UH, IN ORDER TO PROVIDE, TO PREPARE, UH, DEVELOP THOSE, THOSE SWALES.
UH, THEY WOULD BE DISTURBING THE, UH, CLEARING DURING SOME CLEARING BACK THERE IN THAT VEGETATIVE AREA.
I SAID, IT'S ABOUT 50 FOOT WIDE.
THEY WERE TO BE CUTTING INTO IT BY 15 FEET.
SO YOU WOULD STILL HAVE ABOUT 35 FEET ON THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO IT, UH, IS, UH, ALSO VEGETATED AND THAT'S 45 FEET WIDE, UM, AND ITS OWN GENERAL BUSINESS.
SO, UH, THERE WAS NO TRANSITIONAL BUFFER REQUIREMENT FOR THIS PROPERTY, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, THEY'LL HAVE 35 FEET OF RAMP LANDSCAPING TO THE REAR ON THE PROPERTY, ANOTHER 45 FEET ON THE ADJACENT PARCEL.
SO ABOUT 80 FEET OF LANDSCAPING BETWEEN THIS PARCEL AND THE R 20 ZONED PROPERTY, UM, TO THE WEST, UH, THIS IS IN THE ROUTE 17 CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT, OF COURSE.
SO, UM, BUILDING FACADES WOULD HAVE TO MEET, UH, THOSE STANDARDS, THOSE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN STANDARDS ON THE BUILDING ADDITION.
UM, THEY, THEY WOULD BE EXPANDING THE PARKING AND A COUPLE OF, THEY GOT, UH, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A FEW CHANGES HERE BECAUSE THE PLAN SHOWS A COUPLE OF COMPACT CAR SPACES HERE, COMPACT CAR SPACES, THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS ARE SMALLER.
IT CAN BE EIGHT BY 16 INSTEAD OF NINE BY 18.
UH, WE ALLOW THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR THAT, BUT WE DON'T ALLOW IT FOR PARKING LOTS OF THIS SIZE.
SO THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE ONE OF THOSE PARTS SPACES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO AWAY.
AND THE OTHER ONE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE, UH, ENLARGE TO NINE BY 18, THAT WILL CUT IN SLIGHTLY TO THE 10
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FOOT LANDSCAPE YARD, UH, TO THE NORTH HERE.UH, BUT THE ZONING ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR THAT.
UM, FOR REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS LIKE THIS, SIMILARLY, THEY ARE SHOWING A NEW PARKING SPACE OVER ON THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE PARKING LOT THAT WOULD ALSO CUT INTO THE 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE YARD ALONG THE WHITES ROAD.
UH, WE'VE INCLUDED CONDITIONS IN THE, UH, ZONING ORDINANCE SPECIFYING THAT, UH, THOSE ENCROACHMENTS INTO THE LANDSCAPE YARDS WOULD REQUIRE APPROVAL BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AS REQUIRED BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
TRAFFIC IS, UH, UH, AND AS FAR AS THE PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC, UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 57 TRIPS IN THE MORNING, 77 IN THE PM, UH, FOR CONVENIENCE STORES AND GAS STATIONS, A LARGE PERCENTAGE, MORE THAN 60% OF TRIPS, UH, ARE TYPICALLY BYPASS TRIPS, TRIPS DRAWN FROM THE EXISTING TRAFFIC STREAM.
SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NEW TRIPS, YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBERS VERY LOW 21 AND 26, UH, DAILY, UH, TRAFFIC, UH, NOT ACCOUNTING FOR PAST BY TRIPS.
UH, THE DAILY, UH, TRAFFIC GENERATION WOULD BE EXPECTED BY ABOUT 846, BUT THAT DOES NOT ACCOUNT FOR, UH, PASS BY TRIPS.
SO THE NUMBER OF NUTRIENTS WOULD BE SOMEWHAT LOWER THAN THAT.
THESE NUMBERS ARE NOT HIGH ENOUGH TO WARRANT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS FOR THE PROJECT WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT.
UH, I THINK WHEN, UH, THE EXPANSION IS COMPLETED, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IS A GREENER SITE.
UH, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, UH, IT'S GOING TO BE BETTER ENVIRONMENTALLY BECAUSE YOU'LL HAVE AN ACTUAL STORM WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, WHICH YOU DON'T HAVE CURRENTLY.
UH, WE'LL ALSO BE TAKING, UH, ABANDONING A SEPTIC TANK SEPTIC SYSTEM.
AND, UH, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE TYING INTO THE SEWER SYSTEM, WHICH IS AN IMPROVEMENT.
UH, ONE THING I NEGLECTED TO MENTION WHEN I WAS SHOWING THE SKETCH PLAN, THE FRONT LANDSCAPE YARD ALONG ROUTE 17 IS GOING TO ACTUALLY BE WIDER WITH THE RECONFIGURATION OF THE PARKING LOT.
UH, SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A WIDER FRONT LANDSCAPE YARD THERE THERE'LL BE REQUIRED TO PUT IN SOME PLANTINGS, UH, TO MEET THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
UM, THERE'S NOT A LOT OUT THERE NOW, AS FAR AS LANDSCAPING.
AND I MENTIONED THE TRAFFIC SAFETY BENEFITS, UH, WITH DOING AWAY WITH THE EXIT ONTO ROUTE 17, REDOING THAT WHOLE, UH, ENTRANCE, UH, INTO AN ENTRANCE HOMEAWAY.
AND WE DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO HAVE ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS.
UH, SO WE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL SUBJECTS WITH THE CONDITIONS IN RESIDENTIAL PC 21 DASH SEVEN.
UH, AS YOU NOTED, MR. CHAIRMAN AND THE APPLICANT WAS, UH, UH, UNAVOIDABLY DETAINED HE'S RETURNED TO THE UNITED STATES WAS DETAINED THROUGH CIRCUMSTANCES TO BE HONEST CONTROL.
SO HE'S NOT HERE TO SPEAK ON HIS OWN BEHALF.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS, ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS APPLICATION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE FOR ME AT THIS TIME.
APPRECIATE THE GOOD PRESENTATION.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. CROSS? I DON'T SEE ANY, SO I'M GOING TO MOVE OVER TO MR. TITUS HAD ONE.
NOW I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED WITH GAS STATIONS THAT ARE ABOUT 40 SOME ODD YEARS OLD WITH THE GAS TANKS THEMSELVES.
WOULD THIS BE A OPPORTUNE TIME TO CHECK THOSE GAS TANKS OUT FOR LEAKAGE INTO THE, WHATEVER INTO THE ENVIRONMENT, UH, BEFORE THIS, UH, SELF IS APPROVED, UH, GIVEN, GIVEN THAT THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THE, UH, GAS FACILITY? I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE A REASONABLE REQUIREMENT.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH NEXUS BETWEEN, UH, WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED AND, UH, HAVING A CONDITION LIKE THAT.
UM, THE STATE, UH, DOES ACTUALLY IT'S FEDERAL, THERE IS A, A UNDERGROUND TANK, UH, PROGRAM, UM, THAT IS, UH, ADMINISTERED, UH, UH, BY THE, UH, LOCALLY BY THE DEQ, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE, THE COUNTY GOVERNS AND IT'S REALLY NOT, UH, NOT PERTINENT TO THIS REQUEST.
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I WAS JUST TOLD I WAS IN FOR DAVID MINE.I DON'T KNOW THERE MIGHT'VE BEEN, I MEAN, OVER THE YEARS, UH, THERE MIGHT'VE, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT'VE REPLACED THOSE GAS TANKS AT SOME POINT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THOSE SAME TANKS HAVE BEEN IN THERE FOR 40 YEARS.
I KNOW I WAS JUST A PAST, UH, PAST STUDIES.
I HAVE DONE TANKS IF THEY HAVE BEEN IN THERE 40 YEARS, DEPENDING UPON WHAT THEY'RE MADE OUT OF COULD BE AN ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEM.
SO I WAS JUST, THAT'S JUST A CONCERN I HAD IN THAT.
IT ALSO, THEY CHOSE A IN AND OUT THROUGH THE STORAGE, MORE I, IN THE, ON THE PLAN THERE IS THAT A APPROVE, SOME KIND OF CONTRACTUAL THING WITH STORE MORE.
I MENTIONED THAT EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION, IT ACTUALLY HAD TO BE APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
IT WAS, OH GOSH, MAYBE EIGHT YEARS AGO.
UM, AND YES, THERE IS A CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES THAT'S RECORDED IN THE COURTHOUSE.
SO THAT'S A LEGITIMATE, UH, CONNECTS IN THERE.
MR. JOHNS, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP.
MR. CROSS, UH, YOU MENTIONED IN THE NARRATIVE THAT THE EXISTING SEPTIC SYSTEM IN THAT LOCATION WOULD BE ABANDONED.
AND, UM, I HAVE A SIMILAR QUESTION, UH, THAT MR. TITUS ASKS, UM, ABOUT THE LIFE OF THAT SYSTEM.
AND, UM, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME TYPE OF INSPECTION, CAUSE IF IT'S GOING TO BE ABANDONED, THAT MEANS THAT IN PERPETUITY, UH, AN OLD SYSTEM BUILT IN THE SEVENTIES WOULD BE THERE AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO THAT'S JUST A COMMENT OF MINE, BUT I DO HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT THAT SEPTIC SYSTEM.
I THINK THAT GIVES IS A VERY COMMON PRACTICE.
I MEAN, UH, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, MY HOUSE IS OLDER THAN THIS GAS STATION AND WHEN THE COUNTY, UH, INSTALLED SEWER IN QUEENS LAKE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO HAVE THE, UH, SEPTIC TANK ABANDONED AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HIRE A SEPTIC PERSON AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A PROCESS YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH, BUT IT'S, UM, IT'S, UH, NOT ALL THAT, UH, INVOLVED, WENT THROUGH THE SAME THING, MR. CROSS, AND YOU KINDA, THEY BUSTED TOP AND YOU FILL IT WITH SAND AND IT WAS SAD EXACTLY.
UH, REGRADE THE TOP, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HOOK UP TO A SANATORY SANITARY SEWERS.
SO WE'RE MOVING AWAY FROM A, UM, A SEPTIC TANK TO A SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM.
AND SO AS LONG AS THEY THEY'RE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THE, UH, MR. JOHNS OR REGULATIONS REQUIRE REQUIRING THE ABANDONMENT AND THEY HAVE TO FILL IT UP AND PUT EVERYTHING BACK THE WAY IT WAS.
ANYBODY ELSE OUT THERE DON'T SEE ANY HANDS MR. ANDERSON, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT CALLED IN? ALL RIGHT.
LET'S SAY IF YOU'RE AN ATTENDEE AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, YOU CAN RAISE YOUR HAND.
IF YOU'RE ON A PHONE, YOU CAN HIT STAR NINE.
YES, NO, ONE'S RAISING THEIR HAND.
MR. HALL REALLY RAISED HIS HAND.
DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS REGARDING THIS SPECIFIC APPLICATION? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I KIND OF ECHO WHAT MR. TITUS AND MR. JONES HAVE ALREADY STATED, BUT ANYTIME YOU WORK AROUND A 40 YEAR OLD GAS STATION, YOU'VE GOT TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.
I THINK AT A MINIMUM, WE SHOULD BE REQUESTING GROUND, GROUND SOIL TESTING TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S NO HYDROCARBON THAT'S MADE ITS WAY INTO THE GROUND.
UH, YOU DO HAVE TO ABANDON THE SEPTIC SYSTEM.
THEREFORE, THE, THE, UH, THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THERE IS SOME CONTAMINATION IN THIS, IN THE SOIL SURFACE ABOVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM IS A CONCERN.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE, UH, IN THE ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE, UH, EPC OR BY THE CONTRACTOR, THAT SOIL IS PROPERLY TESTED AND DEALT WITH.
AND I DON'T SEE THAT ANYWHERE IN THE NOTES, IN THE SURVEYOR'S COMMENTS.
UH, SO I THINK THERE IS SOME VALIDITY TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN ALREADY PAID, UM, RAISED BY TWO OF THE COMMISSIONERS.
I'D SAY AT A MINIMUM, WE, UM, WE INSERT A REQUIREMENT FOR GROUNDWATER TESTING AND A PROVISION FOR CONTAMINATED SOIL REMOVAL.
UM, MR. ANDERSON, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE? DOESN'T UH, IT DOESN'T MOVE.
THEN I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE
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COMMISSION.ANY DISCUSSION? ANY COMMENTS? OKAY.
YEAH, I GUESS TO REITERATE, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT GROUND WATER OR SOIL CONTAMINATION, A BA IN A PAST LIFE.
IT JUST LIKE MILITARY DOING RESTORATION MEDIATION OR STORAGE AREAS WAS A BARTENDER.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT? UH, MR. CRINER, I DON'T SEE THE SEPTIC TANK AS A LARGE, YOU KNOW, AS LARGE OF AN ISSUE AS FAR AS THE SOIL BEING CONTAMINATED.
I MEAN, THE, THE WAY SEPTIC TANKS WORK.
CAUSE I PUT IT BACK INTO THE SOIL.
THE, UM, HOWEVER, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I AGREE WITH, UM, MR. CROSS ON THE FACT THAT THE WE'RE ASKING TO BE LOOKING AT THE, UH, GAS TANKS WHEN THIS APPLICATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GAS TANKS.
I'M NOT SURE THOSE TWO ARE CONNECTED, OR WHETHER WE'RE JUST USING THIS AS AN EXCUSE TO GET THERE.
UM, PEOPLE ARE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON, ON, ON THIS IT'S DNA? SO, UM, YOU KNOW, MY OPINION IS, IS I, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TAKEN AN OLD PROPERTY, WE'RE IMPROVING IT.
WE'RE IMPROVING THE ACCESS TO 17.
WE'RE IMPROVING THE LANDSCAPING, WE'RE UPGRADING.
IT IS GETTING CLOSER TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TODAY.
UM, THE EXPANSION ON THE NORTH, SIDE'S A NO BRAINER.
IT'S NOT AFFECTING ANYBODY ADDING TO THE BUILDING.
AND I HEAR, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I JUST, I, I FEEL LIKE MR. CRINER, I DON'T FEEL THIS IS GIVING US AN EXCUSE TO ROAM AROUND AND, AND START REQUESTING OTHER STUFF OUT OF THEM.
UM, I THINK THERE'S A PROCESS, A STATE PROCESS FOR INSPECTING THESE THINGS, AND I JUST DON'T FEEL IT'S, UH, THERE'S A NEXUS BETWEEN THE TWO.
SO I'M INCLINED TO AGREE WITH MR. CRINER ON THIS ONE, BUT, UM, I I'M, I'M LISTENING AND READY, WILLING TO LISTEN TO ANYBODY OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE ANY COMMENTS HEARING NONE.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FROM SOMEBODY I MOVE WE, UH, FORWARD, UH, PC 21 DASH SEVEN ON, HEY, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE, THE FORD PC 21 DASH SEVEN OR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
MS. LINDEN BIGLER, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
THE MOTION BY MR. CRINER IS TO ADOPT PC 21 DASH SEVEN TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE A MAJOR EXPANSION AT SEVEN THREE ZERO FIVE GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY MISLEADING.
THE MOTION PASSES FIVE TO ONE.
AND MR. CROSS, I GUESS NOT SURE ABOUT THIS ONE, UH, WHEN IT GOES BEFORE THE BOARD OR THE MAY THE MAY MEETING, BUT IT'S NOT DEFINITE YET.
UM, AND THAT BRINGS US TO A GENERAL ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS OLD BUSINESSES THAT ARE ANY OLD HEARING.
[8. New Business]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH IS NEW BUSINESS.AND I JUST WANTED TO TALK QUICKLY ABOUT, I MENTIONED THIS LAST MONTH ABOUT, UH, AN, UH, THE POSSIBILITY OF DEVELOPING THE AREA PLAN FOR THE UPPER ACCOUNTING, A MORE FOCUSED, UM, STRATEGIC LOOK AT, AT THAT AREA PLAN.
ONCE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS COMPLETED, THIS WOULD BE AN IMPLEMENTATION AND AMENDMENT TO THE PLAN AND, UH, STAFF OR CONSULTANT WOULD, UM, STUDY THE UPPER COUNTY.
UH, AND THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND THIS WAS, IS TO, TO PREVENT US FROM GETTING INTO ANOTHER SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE, UH, JUST GENERAL GUIDELINES FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IS FINE.
BUT CERTAINLY AN AREA OF STUDY IS, IS, IS PRETTY COMMON IN A PLANNING FIELD.
AND I THINK WILL HELP GIVE US A GUIDE
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TOWARDS THAT.UM, REALLY WERE, WE NEED CONSENSUS FROM THE COMP PLAN COMMITTEE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET THE COMMISSION KNOW THAT, UH, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WHEN, WHEN, WHEN OUR COMMITTEE MEETS AGAIN, UH, WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING THAT, UH, ON, UM, ON, UH, PUTTING A STATEMENT OR TWO IN OUR EXISTING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT, UH, WE DESIRE TO CONDUCT AN AREA PLAN FOR THE UPPER COUNTY AFTER THE PLAN HAS BEEN ADOPTED.
SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE UNDER NEW BUSINESS.
AND, UM, I THINK THERE IS SOMEONE ELSE HAS SOMETHING ELSE UNDER NEW BUSINESS.
MR. CROSS, I THINK YOU ASKED ME, UH, TOLD ME THAT SOMEONE ELSE HAS A NEW BUSINESS ITEM.
WELL, I, I THINK IT MIGHT GO UNDER COMMISSIONER REPORTS AND REQUESTS, BUT OKAY.
[9. Staff Reports/Recent Actions by the Board of Supervisors]
THEN WE'LL MOVE TO A NUMBER NINE STAFF REPORTS AND RECENT ACTIONS BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.WELL, I'M HAPPY TO REPORT, UH, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE STAFF HAS BEEN TELEWORKING OFF AND ON FOR THE PAST YEAR, BUT, UH, AS OF APRIL 5TH, WE WELCOME THE ENTIRE STAFF BACK INTO OUR OFFICE.
UH, SO WE, AFTER MORE THAN A YEAR OF BEING SHORT-STAFFED HERE, UH, WE NOW HAVE A FULL COMP AND WE REMAIN OPEN TO THE PUBLIC BY APPOINTMENT AND SUBJECT TO THE USUAL COVID PROTOCOLS, BUT THAT'S A MAJOR STEP FORWARD.
UM, AS FAR AS RECENT ACTS AND ACTIONS BY THE BOARD, UH, AT THEIR MARCH 16TH MEETING, THEY DENIED THE FENTON MILL PLAN DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION, UH, COMING UP THAT THEY'RE ABLE 20TH MEETING, THEY WILL CONSIDER THE PESKY GUNSMITHING AND FIREARMS SALES HOME OCCUPATION APPLICATION ON HENRY LEE LANE, WHICH YOU ALL CONSIDERED BACK IN FEBRUARY.
THE OTHER APPLICATION FROM FEBRUARY, THE ROUTE ONE 34 REZONING IS NOT GOING TO GO TO THE BOARD UNTIL MAY 18TH.
UM, MOST LIKELY COMING UP ON YOUR MAY 12TH AGENDA.
UH, WE HAVE A FEW APPLICATIONS THERE'S A Y VA APPLICATION, YOUR 10 VILLAGE ACTIVITY OR A SETBACK SETBACK VARIANCE TO ALLOW A SMALL ADDITION TO A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOME IN THE VILLAGE.
UH, WE HAVE AN APPLICATION TO REMOVE, UH, CONDITIONS THAT WERE VOLUNTARILY PROFFERED BACK IN.
I THINK IT WAS 2012, UH, FOR THE, UH, FOR THE YORKTOWN ARCH PROJECT, UH, GET FAMILIAR WITH IT.
UH, YORKTOWN ARCH IS SORT OF IN THE IT'S IN THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT, THE INTERSECTION OF ROUTE 17 FORT EUSTIS BOULEVARD BEHIND BOJANGLES, UH, BETWEEN YORKTOWN ARCH, THE RESIDENTIAL PROJECT AND BOJANGLES.
IT WAS ABOUT A TWO ACRE, UH, COMMERCIAL PARCEL.
THAT WAS PART OF THAT REZONING.
THERE WERE SOME PROFFERS THAT WENT WITH THAT.
UH, THE APPLICANT, THE OWNER IS HAVING A HARD TIME MARKETING THE PROPERTY, THE WAY THE PROFFERS ARE WRITTEN.
AND SO THEY HAVE, UH, SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION TO REMOVE THOSE PROFFERS.
THEY HAVE TO DO WITH THINGS LIKE, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE AND, UH, ARCHITECTURE.
SO THAT WILL BE ON YOUR MAY 12TH AGENDA, I GUESS, TENTATIVELY.
I'M REALLY NOT SURE IF IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA OR NOT, BUT WE DO HAVE AN APPLICATION FOR A CELL TOWER AT QUEENSLAND MIDDLE SCHOOL, UM, WHICH, UH, MAY OR MAY NOT BE ON THE MAY 12TH AGENDA.
YOU HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY REPORT THAT WAS SENT TO YOU.
UH, THE ONE ITEM ON THERE THAT I, THAT I WANT TO MENTION IS, UH, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN AN ISSUE FOR ABOUT NINE YEARS NOW, BACK WHEN THE COMMONWEALTH DRIVE OR COMMONWEALTH GREEN WAS APPROVED, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AT THE END OF COMMONWEALTH RIDE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS WAS A ROAD CONNECTION OUT TO ROUTE 17.
AND YOU ALL MAY RECALL A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, UH, THE BOARD AND YOU ALL APPROVED A SECOND EXTENSION OF THE DEADLINE FOR PROVIDING THAT ROAD CONNECTION.
ORIGINALLY, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT NOVEMBER BY NOVEMBER OF 2016.
UH, THEY RAN INTO SOME WEAPONS PROBLEMS AND SOME OTHER PROBLEMS. SO THEY CAME BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A COUPLE OF EXTENSIONS OF THAT DEADLINE.
UM, BUT HAPPILY, UH, THEY HAVE ACTUALLY SUBMITTED A SITE PLAN FOR THOSE RIGHT AWAY IMPROVEMENTS, THE ROAD CONNECTION AND THE EXTENSION OF, UH, WATER AND SEWER OUT TO ROUTE 17.
SO THAT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, UH, BASED ON THE, UH, CONDITIONS AS THEY WERE MOST RECENTLY AMENDED.
THE DEADLINE FOR CONSTRUCTING THAT ROAD IS NOW OCTOBER 5TH OF 2022.
SO HOPEFULLY THEY CAN MEET THAT AND WILL NOT HAVE TO BE COMING BACK FOR ANOTHER EXTENSION.
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UM, I DON'T WANT TO JUMP ON COMMITTEE REPORTS, BUT I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT, UH, COMING UP AT THE MAY 4TH BOARD WORK SESSION, UH, THERE WILL BE A, UH, PROGRESS REPORT ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE, UH, THAT MR. KING, MR. JOHNS, AND I WILL BE PARTICIPATING IN, UH, ALONG WITH, UH, MR. GREEN, WHO REPRESENTS THE BOARD ON THE COMP PLAN COMMITTEE.UM, SO W WE'RE GOING TO BE GIVING A PROGRESS REPORT TO THE BOARD, AND THAT'S THE MAY 4TH WORK SESSION.
THAT'LL BE A ZOOM MEETING, BUT IT WILL BE TELEVISED.
IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, YOU CAN WATCH IT, OR YOU CAN STREAM IT, UM, LAST, AND CERTAINLY NOT LEAST I WANT TO WELCOME AND INTRODUCE A NEW FACE TO THE OFFICE, GENIE GROIN WHO STARTED APRIL 5TH.
UH, SHE IS A LONG TIME YORK COUNTY RESIDENT, AND, UH, SHE IS JUST DAYS AWAY FROM RECEIVING HER MASTERS OF PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION DEGREE FROM OLD DOMINION UNIVERSITY, FROM WHICH SHE ALSO HAS A BACHELOR OF SCIENCE DEGREE.
AND SHE ALSO ATTENDED, UH, GRAFTON HIGH SCHOOL, I BELIEVE IT WAS, UH, SO SHE'S, SHE'S LOCAL, UH, AND SHE'S, UH, BRINGS A LOT TO THE TABLE.
AND SO SHE'S GONNA, SHE'S GONNA BE WORKING, UH, IN THE PLANNING DIVISION AS A CONTRACT EMPLOYEE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT SHE'LL BE HANDLING PLANNING CASES NECESSARILY, BUT, UH, HE MAY BE INTERACTING WITH HER AT SOME POINT.
UH, SHE WILL BE DOING SOME WORK FOR US HERE IN THE DIVISION AND, UH, PROBABLY SOME OTHER COUNTY DEPARTMENTS AS WELL.
SO WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE HER WITH US.
AND, UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH HER, AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. CROSS, AND WELCOME AS A JEAN OR JEANIE JEAN GENIE, GENIE WELCOME JANIE, AND, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. CROSS ABOUT, UH, THE REPORT HE JUST GAVE TO US? ALL RIGHT.
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WE'LL MOVE ON TO WELL COMMITTEE REPORTS, UH, FOR THE COMP PLAN.OUR LAST MEETING WAS CANCELED, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY REPORTS.
AND MR. CROSS WENT AHEAD AND EXPLAINED THAT MR. JOHNS, MYSELF AND MR. CROSS WILL BE GIVING A REPORT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON OUR PROGRESS.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMITTEE REPORTS HAS YOUR COMMITTEE REQUEST IF YOU WERE NOT A COMMITTEE REPORT, IF WE FINISHED WITH THE COMMITTEE REPORTS, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER, BUT I'M READY TO GET BACK THE IN PERSON MEETINGS.
AND I DON'T SEE A REASON WHY WE DON'T GET BACK INTO, UH, IN-PERSON MEETINGS.
UH, I DON'T HAVE THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS FEEL ABOUT THIS.
HAVE THEY ALL HAD THEIR SHOTS AND ET CETERA, KIND OF LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
FIRST OF ALL, I'M HERE ANYWAYS.
SO, UM, UH, FOR ME, I WOULD RATHER YOU GUYS BE HERE CAUSE WE'RE A TEAM AND I REALLY CAN'T, THIS IS DIFFICULT BECAUSE I CAN'T GAUGE BODY LANGUAGE.
UM, IT, IT'S REALLY TOUGH AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE AN ISLAND IN HERE.
UM, AND I THINK AS TIME I'VE HAD BOTH MY SHOTS, UH, I FEEL, UH, UH, I'D LIKE TO HAVE, HAVE THE TEAM BACK IN PLACE.
I'LL LET EVERYONE ELSE, I'M WILLING TO HEAR WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS TO SAY FULLY VACCINATED, AND I'M WILLING TO COME BACK, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, I AM A BROADCASTING FROM MY BEACH HOUSE IN THE OUTER BANKS RIGHT NOW.
WELL, WE THINK I MOVED DOWN HERE.
ANYBODY ELSE? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, MR. JOHNS OR, UM, MR. BAKER, MR. JOHNS, GO AHEAD.
WELL, AN ANSWER TO THE FIRST QUESTION.
UM, I'VE HAD ALL OF MY BACKSTAGE, I JUST GOT MY SECOND ONE, UH, THIS PAST WEDNESDAY.
AND SO I'M GOOD TO GO IN THAT RESPECTS.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE URGENCY TO GET BACK INTO SOME IN-PERSON MEETINGS, UH, WITH ME, YOU KNOW, UM, I'M WILLING TO DO THAT, UH, PROVIDED WE CAN DO THAT IN A REASONABLY MANNER THAT GUARANTEES OUR SAFETY, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY FOR OURSELVES, BUT FOR, UH, UH, THE PUBLIC, UH, IN ATTENDANCE.
AND I THINK WE'VE HAD A, WE CAN PUT IN SOME GUIDELINES WITH RESPECT TO CAPACITY AND SPACING AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO, BUT I THINK IN-PERSON MEETINGS A HIGHLY DESIRABLE BECAUSE THE INTERACTION, UH, WITH THE ATTENDEES AND, UH, THE CITIZENS, UH, WAS CERTAINLY
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BE BETTER.UM, BUT THIS COVID-19 HAS MADE US ALL ASSUME A POSTURE THAT WE'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH.
SO THERE ARE VARIOUS ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES, BUT SAFETY WAS THE CONCERN THAT DROVE OUR HAVING TO MEET THROUGH ZOOM.
SO IF CERTAIN CONDITIONS CAN BE MET AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S GOT NEW SHOTS, UH, THEN WE'D HAVE THAT SOMEWHAT WHAT WE CALL HERD IMMUNITY, UH, IN THAT REGARDS TO, AND IT WILL BE CERTAINLY, I AGREE, MR. JOHNSON, I'VE BEEN TO A BOARD MEETING IN HERE AND THEY HAVEN'T, YOU CAN'T SEE IT, WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
THEY HAVE IT TAPED OFF AND WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TO SIT SIX FEET APART.
AND SO SOMEONE WANTS TO COME IN THIS ROOM, THERE'LL BE AWAY FROM US, THEY'RE AWAY FROM EACH OTHER.
AND IF WE INSTITUTE THE SAME POLICY THAT THE BOARD IS USING AND ALL THAT, I THINK WE'LL, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE OKAY, BUT I DON'T THINK FOR EVERYONE, I WANT TO ALLOW EVERYONE, IF THEY HAVE A COMMENT AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEAK IF YOU DON'T WANT TO, BUT, UH, ANYBODY ELSE, MR. PETERMAN? YES, I'M FULLY VACCINATED AND I'M IN FAVOR OF A MEETING IN PERSON.
THANK YOU, MR. PETER, MISLEAD THEM.
ANY COMMENTS? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.
WELL, I'M NOT NEXT NATIVE, NOR WILL I BE VACCINATED, BUT I AM ON A SIX MONTH SUPPLY OF ZINC AND HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE, WHICH IS WHAT MY DOCTOR SAID WOULD BE EFFECTIVE UNTIL WE GET THROUGH THE PANDEMIC.
AND THAT WILL TAKE ME THROUGH SOMETIME IN THE SUMMER.
UM, BUT I WOULD LOVE IN-PERSON MEETINGS.
I'M WILLING TO WEAR A MASK THAT WOULD MAKE PEOPLE MORE COMFORTABLE.
I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW I'M NOT TAKING A VACCINE, BUT I AM TAKING HYDROXY, CHLOROQUINE.
I'LL LET THE STAFF DETERMINE ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO APPROACH THAT, BUT I HEAR YA.
UH, AM I MISSING SOMEBODY? OH, MR. STORK IS NOT HERE.
UM, I'M THINKING TO MYSELF, THERE'S SOMEBODY I LEFT.
I'VE BEEN LEAVING OUT, BUT HE'S NOT HERE TONIGHT.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, I'M IN FAVOR OF IT, I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT UP TO STAFF TO DETERMINE, UH, THE LAYOUT OF THE ROOM, HOW MANY PEOPLE WE CAN HAVE CONSISTENT WITH STATE REGULATIONS AND MISLEADING BE REQUIRED TO WEAR HER MASK.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE FROM THE STATE, IF SHE HAS TO SIT DOWN BELOW, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE, DETERMINE THAT I THINK FOR EVERYONE'S SAFETY AND THE SAFETY OF THE CITIZENS, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THAT ALL THE, ALL THE PROTOCOLS IN PLACE.
SO, UM, ANYBODY ELSE, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, I WILL JUST SAY THAT, UH, COURSE THE FENTON MILL PUBLIC HEARING IN MARCH AT THE BOARD MEETING WAS AN IN-PERSON MEETING.
UH, IT WAS A LOT OF WORK, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO MANAGE IT WITH A VERY LARGE CROWD, A LOT OF, UH, A LOT OF ADVANCED, UH, SET UP.
UH, AND I BELIEVE THAT, UM, THE BOARD'S INTENT FOR THE TIME BEING AT LEAST IS TWO HABITS.
UH, IT'S REGULAR MEETINGS, IT'S SECOND MEETINGS.
UH, EACH MONTH, UH, AS IN-PERSON MEETINGS, THE WORK SESSIONS WILL CONTINUE TO BE ZOOM MEETINGS.
UH, AND AS YOU NOTED, UH, YOUR HALL, IT'S ALL TAPED UP AND ROPED OFF TO PROVIDE FOR SOCIAL DISTANCING.
I APPRECIATE IT, MR. CROSS, AND, AND, UH, UM, I THINK THAT'S IT I'D LIKE TO SAY BEFORE WE ADJOURN, I HOPE EVERYONE HAS A SAFE WEEKEND.
SOMETHING ELSE JUST REAL QUICK.
I MEANT TO DO IT EARLIER AND I WAS, NO, I DIDN'T, BUT I HAVE QUITE A BIT OF DOCUMENTATION FROM VIRGINIA BEACH AND NEWSPAPER ARTICLE THINGS THAT ARE GOING BEFORE THEIR CITY COUNCIL, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T MONITOR THEIR
AND I'D BE GLAD TO SHARE THOSE DOCUMENTS WITH ANYBODY AND SIT WITH ANYBODY AND TRY TO COME UP WITH A PLAN.
UM, I HAVE TALKED WITH MR. GREEN, HE'S MY SUPERVISOR AND PLAN TO MEET WITH HIM SO THAT WE CAN START WORK ON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO WE DON'T END UP CAUSE VIRGINIA BEACH REALLY DOES HAVE A BIT OF A MESS IN CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND I DO HAVE THOSE DOCUMENTS, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SHARE THEM, OR I CAN BRING THEM NEXT TIME, WHATEVER WOULD WORK WOULD BE GREAT.
YOU SHARED THAT WITH MR. CROSS AND LET THE STAFF MAKE, GET, GET THAT OUT TO US.
SO APPRECIATE THAT MS. MISLEAD, MR. JOHNSON.
UM, I WANTED TO SAY, UM, THAT SHORT-TERM RENTALS HAS GENERATED A LOT OF INTEREST AND CONCERNS AND UH, BEING A REPRESENTATIVE FOR DISTRICT ONE, I'VE HAD EXTENSIVE MEETINGS,
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UH, WITH A LOT OF THE PARTIES WHO CALLED TODAY.AND I BELIEVE THAT WHEN WE HAVE CITIZEN INVOLVEMENT, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WE'RE STEWARDS FOR THE COUNTY AND WE ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO OUR CITIZENS, THAT THAT'S A GOOD THING.
AND SO I TAKE THEIR COMMENTS AND THEIR CONCERNS SERIOUS.
AND I, UH, I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT.
UH, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT, I AM AWARE OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN VIRGINIA BEACH AND NORFOLK.
UH, THE STRS HAVE BECOME SIMPLY UNMANAGEABLE.
AND NOW YOU'RE TRYING TO GET THAT GENIE IN THE BOTTLE.
YOUR ACCOUNT IS NOT VIRGINIA BEACH AND WE'RE NOT NORFOLK.
AND, UM, I THINK OUR CITIZENS WANT US TO HAVE AN, AN ECLECTIC APPROACH THAT CERTAINLY, UH, AND WE HAVE ONE OF THE HIGHEST EDUCATED, UH, CITIZENS ON THE PENINSULA.
SO I HAVE A KEEN EAR FOR THEM.
AND I DO THINK THAT THERE IS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT.
IT'S BEEN FRUSTRATING FOR OUR CITIZENS, BUT, UM, I HAVE LOOKED AT THIS PREVIOUS APPLICATION, THIS APPLICATION THAT WE APPROVED AND IT DOES, UH, CONCERN, UH, CONTAIN SOME OF THOSE ISSUES THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.
SO I WANT THEM TO KNOW IF YOU'RE LISTENING TONIGHT, IS THAT WE HEAR YOU, UH, WE ARE WANTING TO, UH, TIGHTEN THE REGULATIONS, BUT WE WANT TO DO IT IN A REASONABLE MANNER THAT DOES NOT CONSTRICT THE OPPORTUNITY OF ANYONE WHO DENIERS JUST A BLANKET OPPORTUNITY WITHOUT SOUND LOGIC AND REASON.
UH, BUT I, I DO THINK THAT THERE IS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT ABOUT GUIDELINES SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME CONSISTENCY, UH, IN THAT.
SO JUST, JUST TO COMMENT ON MINE IS THAT I'M NOT MAKING A NEGATIVE OR CRITICAL COMMENT, BUT I'M A PERSON THAT'S OPTIMISTIC IN TERMS OF, WE CAN ALWAYS DO A BETTER JOB AT WHAT WE ARE DOING.
THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR IMPROVE.
I APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR SAGE ADVICE AND, AND I WILL KEEP MARCHING FORWARD TRYING TO MAKE IT BETTER AND BETTER AS WE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALWAYS OPEN TO LOOKING AT OTHER THINGS.
SO I AGREE WITH MR. JOHNS, UH, WE'RE NOT VIRGINIA BEACH, WE'RE NOT NORFOLK, UH, BUT WE CAN LEARN FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES AND IF THERE'S A NUGGET OR TWO THAT WE CAN TAKE FROM SOMEONE ELSE AND, AND SHARPEN OUR, OUR ORDINANCE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALWAYS OPEN AND WILLING TO DO THAT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE ADJOURN, IF NOT EVERYONE HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.
AND, UH, THANK YOU AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU ALL IN PERSON HAVE A GOOD NIGHT, RIGHT?