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GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE IN-PERSON MARCH 16TH BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL MR. GREEN HERE, MR. SHEPHERD, MR. CHAIRMAN, AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO CALL THE REVEREND SHELDON WALKER FROM GRACE EPISCOPAL CHURCH TO LEAD US IN THE INVOCATION.
EVERYONE BEGIN WITH A WORDS FROM PSALM ONE OH FIVE AND THEN I WILL PRAY FOR EVERYONE.
IF THANKS TO THE LORD AND CALL UPON HIS NAME, MAKE KNOWN HIS DEEDS AMONG THE PEOPLES.
SING TO HIM, SING PRAISES TO HIM AND SPEAK OF ALL HIS MARVELOUS WORKS.
LET THE HEARTS OF THOSE WHO SEEK THE LORD REJOICE SEARCH FOR THE LORD AND HIS STRENGTH CONTINUALLY SEEK HIS FACE.
OUR HEAVENLY FATHER SEND DOWN UPON THOSE WHO HOLD OFFICE THIS EVENING, THE SPIRIT OF WISDOM, CHARITY, AND JUSTICE, THAT WOULD STEADFAST PURPOSE.
THEY MAY FAITHFULLY SERVE IN THEIR OFFICES TO PROMOTE THE WELLBEING OF ALL PEOPLE.
AND FOR ALL OF US GATHERED HERE THIS EVENING, I PRAY IN THE WORDS OF SAINT FRANCIS.
LORD, MAKE US INSTRUMENTS OF YOUR PEACE, WHERE THERE IS HATRED.
LET US SO LOW WHERE THERE'S INJURY.
PARDON, WHERE THERE IS DISCORD UNION, WHERE THERE IS DOUBT FAITH, WHERE THERE IS DESPAIR HOPE WHERE THERE'S DARKNESS LIGHT, WHERE THERE IS SADNESS, JOY GRANT THAT WE MAY NOT SO MUCH SEEK TO BE CONSOLED AS TO CONSOLE TO BE UNDERSTOOD AS TO UNDERSTAND, TO BE LOVED AS TO LOVE FOR IT IS IN GIVING THAT WE RECEIVE IT IS IN PARDONING THAT WE ARE PARDONED AND IT IS IN DYING THAT WE ARE BORN TO ETERNAL LIFE.
WE PRAY IN THE NAME OF ONE GOD.
THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO CALL ON MR. ROME TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
[A Proposed FY2022 Budget Presentation. Receive presentation from County Administrator.]
AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO CALL ON COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR MORGAN FOR OUR BUDGET PRESENTATION.AND MR. MORGAN, PLEASE STEP UP TO THE PODIUM.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND, UH, FELLOW CITIZENS, UM, TONIGHT AS IS OUR PRACTICE IN YOUR COUNTY.
I AM PRESENTING THE RECOMMENDED F Y 22 A BUDGET, UH, FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION.
UM, I HAVE A, UM, A BRIEF PRESENTATION.
UM, THE HARD COPIES OF THE BUDGET ARE AT YOUR PLACES.
AND AT THE END OF THIS PRESENTATION, I'LL GO OVER, UH, OUR PRELIMINARY THINKING ABOUT HOW WE WILL, UH, REVIEW AND PROCESS THIS RECOMMENDED BUDGET.
UH, FIRST A FEW COMMENTS, UM, THINKING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR RECOMMENDATION, UH, THIS IS THE 10TH, UH, LOCAL GOVERNMENT OPERATING BUDGET THAT I HAVE PERSONALLY, UH, HAD TO TAKE THE LEAD AND RECOMMENDING.
UM, AND, UM, WHILE EVERY BUDGET HAS ITS UNIQUE CHALLENGES.
UM, THIS ONE IN SOME WAYS IS ESPECIALLY UNUSUAL.
UM, WE'RE ARE, UM, PROJECTING A BUDGET AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT FISCAL YEAR AT A TIME WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF CONFLICTING SIGNALS ABOUT, UM, WHETHER, HOW THINGS ARE GOING.
SOME, UH, COUNTY REVENUES AND SOME PARTS OF THE ECONOMY ARE REALLY STRONG AND OTHER PARTS, MOST ESPECIALLY ANYTHING AFFILIATED WITH TOURISM ARE REALLY WEAK.
AND, UM, SO THIS BUDGET HAS TO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT HOW ALL THAT'S GOING TO EVOLVE AS WE GET INTO NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
SO, SO WE START WITH, UM, TESTING OUR IDEAS FOR THE BUDGET AS WE DO OUR WORK WITH THE BUDGET COMMITTEE AND ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AND THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS, UH, BY MEASURING AGAINST, UH, THIS BOARD'S STRATEGIC PRIORITIES, WHICH YOU ESTABLISH AS PART OF YOUR STRATEGIC RETREAT EVERY YEAR.
AND, UM, AS YOU, I HOPE YOU'LL SEE IN THE COMING SLIDES.
UM, I BELIEVE WE'VE BEEN TRUE TO THAT, UH, IN THIS RECOMMENDATION.
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SO WHEN WE STARTED THIS BUDGET PROCESS, UM, OUR FIRST THOUGHT WAS, UH, LET'S KEEP IN MIND THAT BASICALLY WE CUT AND FROZE JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING LAST YEAR, UH, DUE TO THE PANDEMIC BROAD BRUSH, ABOUT 5%, UM, BOTH ON THE REVENUE AND THE EXPENDITURE SIDE.SO WE STARTED WITH THE NOTION THAT WE SHOULD ATTEMPT TO RESTORE THOSE THINGS IN THE BUDGET, UH, THAT WE KNEW, UH, THIS BOARD WAS SUPPORTIVE OF LAST YEAR, UH, BEFORE WE HAD TO ROLL A LOT OF THINGS BACK.
AND THAT IN PARTICULAR INCLUDES INVESTMENT IN SCHOOLS, PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, TECHNOLOGY, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE STARTED WITH.
UM, JUST A BROAD BRUSH, LOOK AT OUR FUNDS BUDGET.
OF COURSE, WE TEND TO TALK MOSTLY ABOUT THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH IS THE LARGEST PART OF THE BUDGET AND THE PART SUPPORTED BY GENERAL TAX REVENUE.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE ENTERPRISE FUNDS, FIDUCIARY FUNDS, INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS.
AND WHEN YOU SUBTRACT THE DOLLARS THAT FLOW FROM ONE FUND TO THE OTHER, UH, THE ALL FUNDS BUDGET OF THE COUNTY, UH, IS JUST UNDER $215 MILLION.
SO, SO, UM, I GUESS WHAT SOME MIGHT THINK OF AS THE HEADLINES IN THIS RECOMMENDATION, UH, I'M NOT RECOMMENDING, UH, ANY INCREASE IN THE REAL ESTATE TAX RATE.
I AM RECOMMENDING AN INCREASE IN THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RATE FROM $4 PER $100 IN VALUE TO $4 AND 25 CENTS.
UH, THERE ARE SOME WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE INFLATIONARY INCREASES IN VARIOUS BUILDING AND ZONING FEES, WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN INCREASED SINCE 2008.
AND THAT SECTOR IS PRETTY STRONG RIGHT NOW, UH, RECOMMENDING A DOLLAR PER MONTH INCREASE IN THE SEWER FEE.
AND I AM RECOMMENDING THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CIGARETTE TAX, WHICH COUNTIES HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR THE AUTHORITY TO DO FOR A LONG TIME AND LAST YEAR, UH, FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, UH, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, UH, GRANTED US PERMISSION TO CONSIDER THAT, UH, WITH SOME CONSTRAINTS, INCLUDING AN UPPER LIMIT ON THE TAX RATE PER PACK.
SO, SO, UH, JUST TO PUT THE, YOUR COUNTY BUDGET AND THESE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE CONTEXT, UH, FAVORITE SLIDE IN THE BUDGET RECOMMENDATION EVERY YEAR, UM, PERHAPS YOURS AS WELL.
UM, THIS ILLUSTRATES HOW OUR REAL ESTATE TAX COMPARES WITH MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORS.
UH, I LIKE TO SAY, AND IT'S CERTAINLY TRUE THAT WE ARE THE LOWEST TAX FULL-SERVICE MAJOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT IN HAMPTON ROADS.
AND BY THAT, I MEAN, A FAIRLY LARGE OPERATION OVER A DIVERSE AREA OF REAL ESTATE, UH, WITH ALL OF THE SERVICES OF A, OF A MAJOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
UM, THIS ILLUSTRATES, UH, IF YOU WERE TO ADOPT THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX INCREASE THAT I AM RECOMMENDING IN THIS BUDGET WHERE THAT WOULD PLACE US IN THE CONTEXT OF THE REGION, UM, ABOUT IT, THE MIDDLE POINT.
SO I WANT TO DRILL DOWN MOSTLY ON THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET, JUST A LITTLE BIT, AND THIS AGAIN IS THE LARGEST SINGLE PORTION OF THE BUDGET.
WE ALSO HAVE ENTERPRISE AND INTERNAL SERVICE LINES.
SO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THE EXPENDITURE PRIORITIES ON THIS BUDGET.
UM, THE $1.6 MILLION SCHOOL FUNDING INCREASE FEEL GOOD ABOUT, UM, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER.
I HAVE COORDINATED THIS WORKING NUMBER WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT.
I BELIEVE THE SCHOOL, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM CAN WORK WITH THIS.
UH, IT'S PROBABLY IMPORTANT TO MENTION THE, THAT WHILE THAT SEEMS LIKE A LOT, UH, WHAT IT IS ACTUALLY DOING IS RESTORING THE NUMBER THAT WAS IN MY ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION LAST YEAR, UH, BEFORE WE, UH, DID AWAY WITH A PROPOSED $1.1 MILLION INCREASE AND THEN FURTHER CUT THE COUNTY CONTRIBUTION TO THE SCHOOLS BY 500,000.
SO THIS WOULD GET THEM BACK TO WHERE THEY WERE, WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO BE, HAD THE BOARD ACTED ON MY ORIGINAL RECOMMENDED BUDGET LAST YEAR, THE $2.5 MILLION CASH CAPITAL TRANSFER INCREASE, UH, SAME EXACT POINT.
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YANK THIS OUT OF LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, UH, FROM THE BEGINNING OF MARCH TO THE END OF MARCH, UM, BECAUSE IT WAS ONE OF THE EASIER THINGS TO CUT, BUT I THINK WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO SUSTAIN OUR CAPITAL BUDGET AND CONTINUE TO, UH, NOT PILE UP EXCESSIVE DEBT, UH, WE NEED TO GET BACK ON TRACK, UH, WITH CASH CAPITAL.THE COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS PACKAGE IS REALLY, UM, 2.1 MILLION IN THE GENERAL FUND AND ANOTHER 700,000 THAT FLOWS THROUGH ALL OF THE OTHER FUNDS FOR THIS TOTAL.
UM, THE BULK IS THAT OF THAT IS FOR A COMPENSATION INCREASE.
UM, BUT IT ALSO SUPPORTS A, UM, A COST INCREASE ON THE EMPLOYER SIDE ON HEALTH INSURANCE.
AND THERE WOULD BE A COMMENSURATE INCREASE IN HEALTH INSURANCE COSTS FOR EMPLOYEES IN PARTICULAR.
UH, THE SALARY RECOMMENDATION THAT'S INCLUDED IN THIS BUDGET IS A COMBINATION OF A ONE AND A HALF PERCENT INCREASE FOR THOSE EMPLOYEES IN GOOD STANDING, COMBINED WITH AN ANNUALIZED DOLLAR AMOUNT OF $1,500.
SO IF YOU TAKE THOSE THINGS TOGETHER, UM, WHAT DID OBVIOUSLY DOES IS TILT THE INCREASE IN PERCENTAGE TERMS TOWARD, UH, THE LARGER PORTION OF OUR WORKFORCE THAT, UH, ISN'T AS HIGHLY COMPENSATED, UH, BUT IT GIVES EVERYONE A MEANINGFUL INCREASE.
AND I FEEL LIKE THIS IS ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT THIS YEAR, UH, BECAUSE ALMOST EVERY LOCALITY IN HAMPTON ROADS ENDED UP GIVING THEIR EMPLOYEES A RAISE DURING THE YEAR WE'RE IN, UH, MANY OF THEM WERE GOING TO, AND THEN THEY HELD UP ON IT AND THEY ENDED UP PASSING IT ON MIDWAY THROUGH THE YEAR.
WE WERE NOT IN A POSITION TO DO SO.
UM, SO WE'RE IN A LITTLE BIT OF CATCH UP AND I HOPE THE BOARD WILL CONSIDER, UM, THAT FAVORABLY, THE DEBT SERVICE INCREASE IS PRETTY EASY TO UNDERSTAND.
UH THAT'S UM, UM, THE CAPITAL PROGRAM, UH, MOST ESPECIALLY IT'S, UH, TAKING ON, UM, UH, THE DEBT THAT LARGELY REFLECTS THE SCHOOL CAPITAL BUDGET.
UH, THERE IS A NET INCREASE OF $700,000 FOR A TOTAL POSITIONS IN THE COUNTY GENERAL FUND BUDGET.
I'LL GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT.
AND I SAY NET BECAUSE, UM, THERE HAVE ALSO BEEN, UH, THE ELIMINATION OF POSITIONS.
AND SO THIS IS KIND OF, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU TAKE THE NEW POSITIONS AND YOU SUBTRACT THE ELIMINATED POSITIONS, AND THIS IS THE NET COST.
AND, UH, FINALLY, AND WE HOPE TEMPORARILY, UH, WE NEED TO SUPPORT THE TOURISM FUND, UH, BY INCLUDING AN EXPENDITURE THAT TRANSFERS WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING IS $300,000 FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE TOURISM FUND.
I THINK THE BOARD AND JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS HOW HARD THE TOURISM INDUSTRY HAS BEEN HIT.
AND THE WAY THAT TRANSLATES INTO THE COUNTY FINANCES IS THAT OUR TOURISM FUND, WHICH LARGELY RELIES ON, UH, LODGING TAXES HAS BEEN REALLY RIPPED TO SHREDS IN THE LAST YEAR.
THERE'S SOME SIGNS THAT WE'LL BE COMING BACK IN THIS BUDGET, UH, ASSUMES THAT THERE'LL BE A FAIRLY HEALTHY COMEBACK.
UM, BUT AT LEAST FOR A LITTLE WHILE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE IMPORTANT THINGS WE SUPPORT IN THE TOURISM FUND, UM, CAN, UH, CARRY ON.
SO, UM, POSITIONS NEW AND OTHERWISE IN THE, UM, THE BUDGET THAT IN THE BUDGET YEAR THAT WE'RE IN AND THE BUDGET THAT YOU ADOPTED LAST YEAR, WE ACTUALLY, UM, ELIMINATED THREE FULL-TIME POSITIONS IN THE GENERAL FUND.
ONE IN PUBLIC WORKS ONE IN PUBLIC AFFAIRS AND ONE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE ALSO, UM, WHILE IT DOESN'T SHOW UP THE SAME WAY IN OUR BUDGET, BECAUSE IT WAS PART OF A REGIONAL ORGANIZATION.
THE BOARD IS WELL AWARE THAT WE CLOSE THE COLONIAL GROUP HOME COMMISSION THIS FISCAL YEAR.
AND AS PART OF THAT, WE ELIMINATED, UH, PAINFULLY, UH, SIX FULL-TIME POSITIONS.
SO, UM, COMPARED TO WHERE WE WERE A YEAR AGO, UM, THERE ARE, UM, A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF POSITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED AT THE SAME TIME WORK GOES ON, AND WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO, UH, UH, ADJUST TO THE PRIORITIES GOING FORWARD.
UM, THIS BUDGET THAT I'M RECOMMENDING DOES INCLUDE, UH, TWO ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTER POSITIONS.
I THINK THE BOARD IS AWARE THAT, UH, PROBABLY OVER THE NEXT DECADE, WE PROBABLY TO INCREASE THE FIRE SERVICE BY MAYBE 20 ADDITIONAL POSITIONS.
WE'VE MADE SOME GOOD PROGRESS.
WE'VE PROBABLY ADDED IT 10 OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
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THAT INCREMENTAL STRATEGY.UM, IMPORTANTLY, UH, I'M RECOMMENDING THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A SECOND PUBLIC WORKS HYBRID CREW.
UM, THAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL BUDGET RECOMMENDATION I PROVIDED LAST YEAR.
AND THEN WE HAD TO PULL BACK ON THAT AND, UM, WE'VE HAD GOOD LUCK WITH THE FIRST CREW WE ESTABLISHED THREE YEARS AGO.
AND AGAIN, AS A REMINDER, THIS IS A CREW THAT, UM, PRIMARILY RESPONDS TO STORM WATER AND GROUNDS MAINTENANCE AND MOSQUITO CONTROL ISSUES, BUT CAN, UH, DEAL WITH, UH, LITTER CONTROL AND ALSO SUPPORTS THE GROUNDS MAINTENANCE AT THE SCHOOLS AND THEIR ABILITY TO FLEXIBLY RESPOND IN DIFFERENT SITUATIONS AND UPGRADE OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE RESPONSES FOR ALL THOSE CALLS, ALL OF YOU ALL.
AND, AND WE GET, UH, I THINK IT'S NEEDED.
AND, UH, FINALLY INSIGNIFICANTLY.
UM, WE WANT TO CONTINUE OUR, UH, PROACTIVE APPROACH TOWARD, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.
AND BY THAT, I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
UM, BEFORE WE, UH, INCREASED THE NUMBER OF DEPUTIES ON THE STREET AND, UH, THIS BUDGET, UH, WOULD, UH, ULTIMATELY THE, UH, INCREASED THE SHERIFF'S PATROL DIVISION BY FOUR POSITIONS AND IN A PHASE MANNER, UH, PUT THE SHERIFF IN A POSITION TO CREATE A WATERFRONT DISTRICT PATROL, UH, BY THE SUMMER OF 22.
AND THIS HAS SOME OPERATIONAL ADVANTAGES AND ALSO WOULD MEAN BY YEAR AFTER NEXT.
UM, WE WILL AND NOT HAVE TO DEPEND ON THE TOURISM FUND FOR LOTS OF OVERTIME, UH, JUST FOR WHAT HAS BECOME ROUTINE AND NECESSARY.
UM, THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PATROL, WHAT THE WATERFRONT, UH, DURING THE WARM WEATHER MONTHS, BUT ALSO AS A PRACTICAL EFFECT, IT JUST INCREASES THE NUMBER OF ROAD DEPUTIES AROUND THE COUNTY.
NOW LET'S DRILL DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO EXPENDITURES BY FUNCTION, NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THESE IN DETAIL, BUT JUST TO FIGURE OUT A FEW HIGHLIGHTS THAT PROBABLY, UM, YOUR EYES DRAWN TOWARD, UH, THAT DECLINE IN JUDICIAL SERVICES IS ONE OF THE PLACES WHERE THE CLOSURE OF THE CROP ROADS, UH, UM, FACILITY IS REFLECTED.
UM, AND THAT'S THAT 150,000 YOU SEE THERE, UH, GENERALLY SPEAKING, UH, WHERE YOU SEE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THESE VARIOUS FUNCTIONAL LINES.
IT MEANS THAT THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE, UM, BECAUSE THE SINGLE BIGGEST EXPENDITURE WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY ACROSS ALL OF THESE FUNCTIONS IS FOR PEOPLE.
AND SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IN PUBLIC SAFETY, NOT ONLY DO YOU SEE THE, OF FIRE POSITIONS AND SHERIFFS POSITIONS, BUT YOU SEE THE COST OF THE, UH, COMPENSATION INCREASE REFLECTED IN, UM, BASICALLY THE LARGEST SINGLE PORTION OF OUR WORKFORCE, UM, EDUCATION AND EDUCATIONAL SERVICES IS ANOTHER ONE THAT, UH, PROBABLY IS WORTH MENTIONING, UM, THAT REFLECTS BOTH THAT $1.6 MILLION INCREASE IN OUR CONTRIBUTION TO THE SCHOOLS.
IT ALSO REFLECTS, UH, MOST OF THAT DEBT SERVICE INCREASE, WHICH IS, UH, FOR SCHOOL CAPITAL.
IT INCLUDES THE RESTORATION OF A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR A STORMWATER CAPITAL.
UM, AND IT ALSO INCLUDES, I'M SORRY, I'M JUMPED TO, UM, I JUMPED TO, UM, UH, CAPITAL OUTLAY.
UH, THE OTHER ONE FOR EDUCATIONAL SERVICES IS THE, UM, COST OF, UM, OUR LIBRARY PERSONNEL AND THE SALARY INCREASE THAT GOES WITH THAT.
SO SCHOOLS AND LIBRARY PERSONNEL, MY APOLOGIES PUBLIC WORKS, UH, THAT'S THE HYBRID CREW, AND IT'S ALSO THE COST OF THE COMPENSATION INCREASE, UH, COMMUNITY SERVICES THAT LARGELY REFLECTS, UM, THE RESTORATION OF OUR PARKS AND RECS PROGRAMS, MANY OF WHICH WERE, UH, CANCELED IN THE LAST YEAR.
SO THE GOOD NEWS THERE IS, IT SHOWS UP IN EXPENDITURE, BUT IN LARGE PART ALSO SHOWS UP AS A REVENUE CAUSE MANY OF THOSE PROGRAMS ARE, ARE FEE-BASED.
AND, UM, THEN CERTAINLY IN, UM, THE CAPITAL OUTLAY AND FUND TRANSFER, UH, THAT REFLECTS THE CASH CAPITAL, UH, AND THE STORM WATER INCREASE, UH, THAT I WAS ATTEMPTING TO EXPLAIN IN THE WRONG CATEGORY IN THERE TO GO.
AND, UM, THE, UH, NON DEPARTMENTAL SAVINGS, UH, THERESA HELPED ME OUT, AH, UM, OUR, UH, CONTRIBUTION FOR OTHER POST-EMPLOYMENT BENEFITS, OPEB RECALL THAT THIS BOARD SET UP A OPEB TRUST A FEW YEARS AGO.
AND BY DOING THAT, OUR PERFORMANCE WITH THOSE RESERVE DOLLARS HAS BEEN QUITE WELL.
SO, UH, AT LEAST FOR THIS YEAR, UH, WE CAN TAKE A PASS ON MAKING THAT CONTRIBUTION OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.
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A LITTLE BIT OF PERSPECTIVE ON, ON THE EXPENDITURE CONVERSATION THERE.UM, ABOUT 70% OF ALL THAT SPENDING THAT I JUST DESCRIBED IS REALLY A REFLECTION OF THE BOUNCE BACK OF REVENUE THAT WE CUT IN THE YEAR THAT WE'RE IN.
SO THERE'S A, WE ASSUME SOME INCREMENT FOR NEXT YEAR, BUT A LOT OF IT IS THAT 5% JUST ABOUT ACROSS THE BOARD THAT WE CUT FROM THE BEGINNING OF MARCH TILL THE END OF MARCH, UH, IN MANY DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
SO THAT INCLUDED, UH, UH, ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE, NO MONEY FOR SCHOOLS, UH, NO MONEY IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET, UM, ON THIS NEW MONEY FOR DEBT SERVICE, AS A FEW EXAMPLES.
AND HERE YOU SEE THE APPROXIMATE, UH, REVENUE THAT THE FEE, THE FEE INCREASES WOULD GENERATE THE APPROXIMATE REVENUE THAT THE CIGARETTE TAX WOULD IMPLEMENT.
AND THE APPROXIMATE REVENUE THAT THE CHANGE IN THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX WOULD PRODUCE.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE REVENUE, INCLUDING THOSE FEE AND TAXES THAT I SUGGEST AND WHAT OUR ESTIMATES ARE.
AND AGAIN, UH, EXCEPT FOR REAL ESTATE, UH, JUST ABOUT EVERY ONE OF THOSE CATEGORIES, THERE'S A COUPLE OF EXCEPTIONS ARE UP BECAUSE WE CUT THEM IN THE YEAR WE'RE IN, IN ADDITION TO WHATEVER OUR GUESSTIMATE IS FOR NEXT YEAR.
UH, SO FOR EXAMPLE, UH, LODGING TAX, UH, SALES TAX, UH, MEALS TAX WOULD, WOULD BE, UH, SOME OF THE BEST EXAMPLES AND THE USE OF MONEY AND PROPERTY.
UM, THIS IS WHERE WE EXPERIENCED THE DOWNSIDE OF LOW INTEREST RATES THAT HAVE SO MANY OTHER UPSIDES FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.
IT MEANS THAT, UH, THE TREASURER GETS VIRTUALLY NOTHING ON THE CASH THAT WE INVEST.
AND THAT'S WHAT THAT WOULD BE ACTION THERE REPRESENTS.
SO JUST A REMINDER OF SOME OF THESE OTHER IMPORTANT FUNDS THAT WE HAVE BEYOND THE GENERAL FUND.
UM, THE SEWER UTILITY FUND IS THE SINGLE LARGEST, UM, AND IT IS ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY, UH, DEPENDENT ON THE FEES THAT ARE GENERATED BY THE SUPER FUND.
AND WE HAVE OTHER IMPORTANT FUNDS THAT, UM, THERE'S REALLY NO SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE, UH, THAT I'M RECOMMENDING IN THIS BUDGET.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE RE REGIONAL RADIO PROJECT FUND, WHERE OUR DOLLARS ARE, UM, CO-MINGLED WITH JAMES CITY AND GLOUCESTER DOLLARS AS WE UPGRADE THE 800 MEGAHERTZ RADIO SYSTEM IN FIVE-YEAR TRONCHES AND THE SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT FUND, WHICH, UM, WE BELIEVE WILL BE STABLE AND REQUIRE NO ADJUSTMENTS IN THE COMING YEAR.
SOME OTHER SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS HERE I'VE TALKED ABOUT THE TOURISM FUND, OF COURSE, HEADSTART IS BASICALLY WHERE THE $1.3 MILLION OF FEDERAL GRANT REVENUE THROWS FLOWS THROUGH.
UM, SOCIAL SERVICES ALSO HAS A, A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THEIR BUDGET FLOWING THROUGH, UM, STATE AND FEDERAL SOURCES.
AND OF COURSE, WE ALWAYS HAVE A GRANTS AND DONATIONS CATEGORY FOR THE MANY SMALL BUT SIGNIFICANT GRANTS THAT WE, UH, TRY FOR.
AND IN MANY CASES ASSUME WE'RE GOING TO GET AN EACH YEAR'S BUDGET, INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS ALSO IMPORTANT.
THESE ARE FUNDS THAT, UM, ALL PARTS OF THE COUNTY ORGANIZATION ARE ESSENTIALLY TAXED TO COVER THE SHARED COSTS.
UM, FLEET, VEHICLE MAINTENANCE, BEING AN ONE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY, A MORE RECENTLY ESTABLISHED ONE, UH, WORKERS' COMP OF COURSE.
UM, WE'RE OKAY THERE, ALTHOUGH I, I DO NEED TO REPORT THAT, UH, WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF COVID RELATED WORKERS' COMP CASES FLOWING THROUGH THE SYSTEM.
SO THAT IS ONE WE'LL HAVE TO WATCH GOING FORWARD.
AND, UM, THE HEALTH AND DENTAL INSURANCE FUND, WHICH IS, UM, CURRENTLY, UM, IN A, IN A GOOD PLACE.
SO, UM, THE OPERATING BUDGET ALSO INCLUDES THE APPROPRIATION OF THE FIRST YEAR OF YOUR SIX YEAR CIP.
YOU'VE RECEIVED SEVERAL BRIEFINGS ON THAT, UM, THAT IS INCLUDED IN YOUR, YOUR DOCUMENTS YOU'VE BEEN PROVIDED, BUT I WON'T PROVIDE A SEPARATE BRIEFING ON THAT TONIGHT AND SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE ALL NEED TO UNDERSTAND BETTER.
AND I'M SURE WE'RE ALL WONDERING ABOUT IS WHAT DOES EVERYTHING I'VE JUST SAID IN RECOMMENDED MEAN IN THE CONTEXT OF THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT OF 2021, WHICH WAS JUST PASSED IN THE LAW THE OTHER DAY, I SHARED WITH THE BOARD ON FRIDAY, AN INITIAL REPORT WE RECEIVED FROM THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES, UM, THAT ESTIMATED HOW YOUR
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COUNTY, UH, MIGHT BENEFIT IN THE ORDER OF MAGNITUDE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, IT'S A DOLLAR FIGURE SIMILAR, UH, TO THE CARES ACT.UM, IT APPEARS IT WILL ARRIVE IN A COUPLE OF $6 MILLION TRONCHES ONE SOMETIME IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS AND ANOTHER ONE PERHAPS A YEAR FROM NOW.
UM, THE ONE THING THAT I'M VERY PLEASED TO SEE, AND AT THAT'S CLEAR IN THE LAW IS THERE WILL BE NO, UH, DEADLINE WHERE THE MONEY HAS TO BE SPENT IN FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS, WHICH CREATED A, UM, SORT OF A CRISIS ATMOSPHERE.
AS YOU RECALL, WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE RULES WERE AND WHAT WE SHOULD DO.
UH, THIS ONE WILL HAVE MORE LIKE A THREE-YEAR TIME PERIOD FOR DISPOSITION, WHICH I THINK MOST PEOPLE THAT HAVE LOOKED AT, UH, THINK IS A VERY GOOD THING.
UM, WHAT WILL THE RULES BE? UM, UH, THERESA AND HER TEAM AND FINANCE WILL BE MONITORING THAT WE WILL LEARN THAT OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS AND WE'LL REPORT IT.
I WOULD IMAGINE WE'LL HAVE A COMMITTEE, UH, WORK IN THAT, LIKE WE DID THE CARES ACT WITH PERIODIC REPORTS TO THE BOARD, GENERALLY SPEAKING.
UH, MY THOUGHT IS AT THIS TIME, BASED ON THE LITTLE BIT, WE KNOW, UM, THAT WE APPROACH IT AS, UM, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR ONE TIME, UH, PROBLEM SOLVING, WHETHER THAT'S DEBT AVOIDANCE, UM, UH, CASH CAPITAL, UH, IMPROVING THE CA THE COUNTY'S OVERALL FINANCIAL POSITION, OR PERHAPS SUPPLEMENTING, UM, THE COST OF CAPITAL PROJECTS, BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE RISING RAPIDLY.
UM, IT IS MY HOPE, UM, THAT THE RULES WILL NOT REQUIRE NOR WILL THE BOARD ASKED FOR US TO, UH, TAKE SOME OF THAT MONEY AND PLUG IT INTO WHAT IS THE ONGOING PART OF OUR OPERATING BUDGET, UM, BECAUSE IT, IT, WHILE IT WILL BE HELPFUL AS THE CARES ACT WAS, UH, IT WON'T BE SOMETHING WE CAN COUNT ON OVER TIME.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS, JUST LEARNING ABOUT THIS NOW AND, AND, AND STAY TUNED FOR MORE DETAILS IN THE COMING MONTHS.
SO, UH, THE, UH, THE BOARD NOW WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THIS DOCUMENT, AND BY THE WAY, UM, THE BUDGET IS NOW POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE.
AND SO IT IS AVAILABLE FOR CITIZENS TO REVIEW, UH, STARTING AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
UM, AND WE WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE A WORK SESSION ON SEVERAL OF THE ITEMS THAT THE BOARD IS TYPICALLY INTERESTED IN DELVING INTO AT APRIL 6TH.
ONCE YOU REVIEW THIS DOCUMENT, IF YOU FEEL IT IS DESIRABLE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL WORK SESSIONS, UH, WE CAN SCHEDULE THOSE.
UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING WOULD BE, UH, ON APRIL 21ST.
AND, UH, IF THE CHAIRMAN WASN'T GOING TO SAY THIS, UH, I WILL, OR MAYBE HE WOULD ALREADY SAID IT FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.
OUR NOTION IS THAT THE SECOND MEETINGS OF THE MONTH WILL BE IN PERSON HERE.
SO, INCLUDING, FOR EXAMPLE, THE BUDGET PUBLIC HEARING, AND THE WORK SESSIONS BECAUSE OF THE CONFINED SPACE WE WOULD CONTINUE TO DO VIRTUALLY, UH, AND THEN MAYBE SEE WHERE WE'RE AT IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS.
SO FOR, FOR PEOPLE'S, UH, PLANNING, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT ON THAT.
AND, UM, THERE'S, UM, ALL KINDS OF WAYS YOU CAN CONTACT US OR YOUR BOARD MEMBER.
UM, AS YOU SEE HERE ON THE SCREEN, AND AS I END, I JUST DID WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND THE BUDGET STAFF THAT ARE HERE IN THE BACK, UH, FOR ALL THEIR HARD WORK.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALMOST A YEAR ROUND PROCESS, AND YOU, SOMETIMES YOU GET CONFUSED, WHETHER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW THE LAST YEAR ENDED THE YEAR WE'RE IN OR THE YEAR WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
CAUSE THEY'RE KIND OF ALL GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME.
AND ALSO OUR BUDGET COMMITTEE OF SENIOR STAFF THAT HAS WORKED WITH FINANCE AND MYSELF TO, UH, GET US TO THE POINT WE'RE AT TONIGHT.
UH, SO WITH THAT, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'M SURE SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU, AND I'M GOING TO START OUT WITH MISS KNOLL AND HE'S NOT WRITING OUT.
ALL RIGHT, MR. IS AROUND BY ANY QUESTIONS FOR, UH, TWO, TWO, UH, SUBJECTS.
ONE IS, UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T GET MUCH COVERAGE BY EITHER THE DAILY PRESS OR, OR THE GAZETTE, BUT THE CITY IS TO OURSELVES, GET A LOT OF COVERAGE AND NOTICE THAT THE HAMPTON SCHOOL BOARD IS APPROVING A 5% RAISE FOR TEACHERS.
SO MY QUESTION WITH RESPECT TO YOUR NUMBERS, UH, MR. MORGAN, WAS THAT 2.25, UH, MILLION DOLLAR COMPENSATION PACKAGE THAT IT DID THAT INCLUDE THE TEACHER RAISES AS WELL, OR WAS THERE ANOTHER LINE ITEM?
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UM, SO THE SCHOOLS WOULD BE DEALING WITH THAT OUT OF THEIR STATE RESOURCES AND THEIR RESOURCES THEY GET FROM THE COUNTY.SO AS I PROPOSE THAT THEY GET THE 1.6 MILLION AND THAT'S THE ONLY MONEY NEW MONEY COMING FROM THE COUNTY.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE COMPENSATION INCREASE OUT OF THAT MONEY AND THE MONEY THEY'RE GETTING FROM THE STATE.
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, UM, OUR SCHOOLS ARE ALSO PLANNING TO DO A RECOMMENDATION OF 5%, PROBABLY IN TWO ELEMENTS, LIKE MAYBE 3% IN JULY AND THEN 2%, UH, FOR THE SECOND HALF OF THE YEAR.
AND IN ADDITION TO WANTING TO DO AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, THE OTHER REASON TO DO IT THAT WAY AS TO OPTIMIZE HOW MUCH MONEY THEY GET FROM THE STATE.
SO I GUESS THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO ADDITIONAL MONEY FROM US.
SECOND QUESTION I HAVE HAS TO DO WITH THE, UH, W I BROUGHT THIS UP THURSDAY AT OUR ONE ON ONE, YOU MEET IN THE, IN THE CHAIR.
UH, YOU HAVE THESE QUARTERLY MEETINGS WITH US INDIVIDUALLY IN OUR CASE, UH, THE CHAIR IN ZAREMBA.
AND, UH, I BROUGHT UP THE IDEA OF THIS PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX INCREASE.
UH, WHAT I, YOU KNOW, MOST OF US DO A LOT OF READING OR LISTENING TO THE NEWS.
A LOT OF IT TRUE, A LOT OF IT FALLS.
BUT THE CURRENT TRAUNCH OF $1.9 TRILLION EMANATING FROM DC SPREAD OUT ACROSS THE 50 STATES AND BEYOND, UH, ULTIMATELY IT WILL COME DOWN TO, TO THE STATES, TO THE LOCALITIES, MUNICIPALITIES AND THE LIKE, UH, SO, UH, I'M SAYING PUTTING MYSELF IN THE ROLE OF A TAXPAYER, I JUST GOT MY FACE, SLEPT A LITTLE BIT.
I JUST WENT THROUGH A YEAR OF THIS THING CALLED A PANDEMIC.
I MAY HAVE BEEN LAID OFF OF SOMEBODY IN MY FAMILY MAY HAVE GOTTEN SICK, MAYBE EVEN DIED, OR FRIENDS OF MINE.
UH, I'VE BEEN GOING TO THE, TO THE SUPERMARKET LATELY.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE PRICES AT THE SUPERMARKET ARE KIND OF ALREADY AHEAD OF THAT $1.9 TRILLION.
SO I WOULD ASK YOU BETWEEN NOW AND THE SERIES OF, OF MEETINGS WE HAVE, PLEASE HAVE YOUR STAFF TAKE A VERY HARD LOOK, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU FIND OUT JUST EXACTLY WHAT'S IN OUR SLICE OF THAT 1.9 TRILLION.
SO WE CAN NOT PUT A TAX VERY PROUD OF THE STAFF AND, YOU KNOW, REAL ESTATE TAX INCREASE, BUT SURELY WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO TAKE THAT $1 MILLION AND FIND IT IN ANOTHER PILE OF MONEY TO ALLEVIATE THE TAX INCREASE.
I KNOW AS YOU KNOW, ALL OF A SUDDEN NANCY PELOSI, SHE LOVES TO SIGN BILLS, AND THEN THEY BEGIN TO LOOK AT WHAT'S INSIDE THE BILL.
AND IT'S SOMEWHAT A POOR ANALOGY WITH RESPECT TO THE $1.9 TRILLION.
BUT UNTIL WE FIND OUT WHAT'S IN IT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER ON A LOT OF THINGS, AND I'M HOPING WE CAN KIND OF SUBTRACT THAT $1 MILLION.
THE, UH, $300,000 TRANSFERRED TO THE TOURISM FUND DOES, IS THAT HAVE SPECIFIC PLANS OR IS THAT JUST A BUFFER THAT FUND? YEAH, IT'S A BUFFER.
IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD WAY TO DESCRIBE IT.
THERE'S WE HAVE MANY THINGS THAT WE PURCHASE AS A COUNTY FROM THAT FUND RANGING FROM, UM, UH, SHERIFFS OVER TIME FOR BEACH SECURITY, TO OUR ANNUAL CONTRIBUTION, TO THE AMERICAN REVOLUTIONARY WAR MUSEUM, AND MANY OTHER TOURIST RELATED, YOU KNOW, ENTERPRISES THAT WE SUPPORT AS WELL AS OUR OWN TOURISM PROMOTION.
SO MY JUDGMENT, UH, THE BUDGET COMMITTEE'S JUDGMENT WAS RATHER THAN START MOVING A BUNCH OF THINGS OUT OF THE TOURISM FUND INTO THE GENERAL FUND.
UM, IF IT'S, AS WE BELIEVE THAT THE, THE HIT TO THE LODGING TAX WAS SOMEWHAT ONE TIME AND IT WILL COME BACK THAT A BETTER APPROACH WOULD BE TO TEMPORARILY PATCH THE TOURISM FUND, AND THEN HOPE THAT BY THIS TIME, NEXT YEAR, IT'S STANDING ON ITS OWN.
AGAIN, SPEAKING OF THE BEACH PATROL, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE ADDITIONAL FOUR SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES TO ESTABLISHED AS A DEDICATED BEACH PATROL, HOW THAT WOULD AUGMENT WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.
I THINK YOU WERE SAYING THAT THE, THAT THOSE PATROLS ARE PAID AS OVERTIME FROM THE TOURISM PHOTO, HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS BETTER.
UM, AND, AND I'M MAY NOT BE TOTALLY QUALIFIED TO EXPLAIN THIS, AND WE MIGHT WANT TO HAVE,
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UH, PEOPLE FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, EXPLAIN IT, BUT THIS HAS BEEN A CONCEPT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING WITH THE SHERIFF FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, UM, THIS BOARD, AND I CONCLUDED THAT WE NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE YOURTOWN WATERFRONT ALWAYS PRESERVED A SAFE AND SECURE, UM, IMAGE AND EXPERIENCE.AND, UM, TO DO THAT, WE FELT LIKE IT WAS IMPORTANT DURING WARM WEATHER MONTHS TO HAVE, UH, BASICALLY, UH, A FRIENDLY LAW ENFORCEMENT PRESENCE DOWN THERE PRETTY MUCH AT ALL TIMES, AND EVEN LATE INTO THE EVENING.
AND, UM, THE WAY WE HAVE MANAGED TO DO THAT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS IS BY PAYING, UH, REGULAR DEPUTIES TO WORK MORE HOURS.
AND THE SOURCE OF THE MONEY HAS BEEN THE TOURISM FUND, BUT THIS IS IN ADDITION TO SPECIAL EVENTS LIKE THE 4TH OF JULY, WHICH WE WOULD FORESEE CONTINUING TO PAY FOR THAT WAY.
UM, THAT THE BEAUTY OF GOING TO THE YORKTOWN PATROL SETUP WOULD THE, AND AGAIN, I MEAN, IT'S REALLY A MATTER OF FOUR ADDITIONAL DEPUTIES SPREAD OUT OVER THE VARIOUS RESPONSIBILITIES THAT THE SHERIFF HAS.
UH, BUT IT IS THEIR VIEW THAT WITH THAT NUMBER OF PEOPLE, UH, RATHER THAN THE TYPE OF COVERAGE WE EXPECT AND DESIRE AT THE WATERFRONT IN THE WARM WEATHER MONTHS, HAVING TO BE PAID FOR, BY HOLDING PEOPLE OVER AND PAYING THEM OVERTIME IS THE ROUTINE PATROL FUNCTION WITH ADDITIONAL PEOPLE SPREAD OUT, WOULD COVER THAT.
SO THAT WOULD, UM, MAKE THAT A MORE REGULAR AND ROUTINE PROCESS.
AND IT WOULD ALSO, UH, TAKE A LITTLE PRESSURE OFF THE TOURISM FUND YEAR AFTER NEXT.
AND LIKE MR. RUMBA, I AM VERY CURIOUS ABOUT HOW THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT AND THE FUND DISBURSEMENTS FOR THAT.
WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO LEVERAGE THAT AND GET WHAT WE WANT TO DO IN THE BUDGET.
UM, KIND OF VERY EXCITED HERE, BUT THOSE NUMBERS, OF COURSE, I ALSO LIKE YOUR PLAN TO USE THAT FOR ONE TIME EXPENSES PAY DOWN SOME DEBT AND SO FORTH TOO, BUT THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.
SO I'M VERY CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.
THANK YOU, MR. MORGAN, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THANK YOU, MR. RYAN, MR. SHEPHERD.
UH, MS. MORGAN, IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN FOR THE FOLKS AT HOME WHAT A HYBRID CREW IS, HOW IT BENEFITS US.
AND, UH, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE IN SEAFORD AND, UH, IT'S HILL, UH, MRL BANK IN MY DISTRICT, UH, UNDERSTAND THE HYBRID CREWS, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER FOLKS AND ALSO COMMENT ON, UH, THERE'S BEEN A SERIES OF EMAILS GOING BACK AND FORTH ABOUT WHAT THE COMPENSATION V DOT, UH, CHARGES ARE.
IT GIVES US IN, UH, FOR MOWING THE MEDIANS OF, OF THEIR JOBS.
SO, UM, THE HYBRID, THE IDEA OF THE HYBRID CREW IS THAT WE HAVE, UM, A WORK CREW, UH, SUPERVISED BY PUBLIC WORKS THAT HAS CAPABILITIES IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT FUNCTIONAL AREAS, RATHER THAN A CREW THAT ONLY DOES SEWER WORK OR ONLY DOES STORMWATER WORK OR ONLY DOES GROUND MAINTENANCE AND LITTER CONTROL.
IT'S A CREW THAT CAN BE PLUGGED IN WHERE NEEDED.
AND CERTAINLY WE'VE ALL EXPERIENCED, UH, LIKE, UH, THIS FEBRUARY, I THINK IT'S THE FOURTH RAINIEST FEBRUARY, AND SINCE RECORDS KEPT, AND WE KNOW WHAT THAT ENTAILS, UH, IN A TIME LIKE THAT, THAT KIND OF CREW WOULD BE PRIMARILY USED TO, UH, HELP WITH, UH, CLOG PIPES AND LEAVES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, BLOCKING DITCHES AND FRANKLY SUPPLEMENT, UM, DOT FORCES WHO OFTEN DO NOT, UM, HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE DONE.
UH, THEY CAN HELP WITH MOSQUITO CONTROL.
UH, LITTER HAS BEEN A BIG PROBLEM.
AND, UM, AS WE CAN, WE USE THE FOLKS WE HAVE, WHEN, FOR EXAMPLE, THE LAST THREE WEEKS, IT'S BEEN SORT OF DRY, UH, TO GO AND GET SOME OF THE LITTER REMOVED.
SO IT'S A CREW THAT, UH, WE CAN THROW AT DIFFERENT KINDS OF PROBLEMS DEPENDING ON THE WEATHER, UH, DEPENDING ON HOW FAST THE GRASS IS GROWING, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE SCHOOLS NEED, DEPENDING ON HOW BAD MOSQUITOES ARE.
UM, AND IT JUST GIVES US FLEXIBILITY AS OPPOSED TO SPECIALIZING IN JUST ONE FUNCTIONAL AREA.
UM, AND WE, WE TRIED THAT, UH, THREE YEARS AGO AND WE'VE HAD GOOD SUCCESS WITH THAT.
AND SO IF THE BOARD IS PREPARED TO PUT MORE RESOURCES INTO THAT, UH, I THINK WE'VE ALL BEEN PLEASED THAT WITH THE FLEXIBILITY THAT THAT KIND OF APPROACH GIVES US IN, IN TERMS OF WHAT V DOT
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DOES, AS I UNDERSTAND IT.AND, UH, LET ME TELL YOU, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND WITH THE STAFF'S LISTENING, AND IF ANYTHING I SAY IS INCORRECT, I'LL, I'LL SEND YOU ALL A FOLLOW-UP ANSWER.
UM, V THAT IN THEORY MAINTAINS ALL THE PUBLIC ROADS IN THE COUNTY TO INCLUDE A MOWING DEAD ANIMAL PICKUP, LITTER, REMOVAL, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, THEY OFFER COUNTIES WHO, UH, CARE ABOUT THE AESTHETICS OF THEIR MAJOR ROADS, UH, THE ABILITY TO TAKE OVER A HIGHER LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE.
AND WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE DOT WHERE MANY, BUT NOT ALL OF OUR MAJOR THOROUGHFARES, FOR EXAMPLE, ROUTE 17 PORTIONS OF VICTORY BOULEVARD, ROUTE ONE 99, UM, PORTIONS OF MORTON ROAD, WHERE COUNTY FORCES, UH, CUT THE GRASS, UH, MANICURE, THE LANDSCAPING PICK UP THE TRASH.
AND FRANKLY, WE DO IT TO A HIGHER STANDARD THAN V DOT.
UM, AND THEY KINDA LIKE IT WHEN WE TAKE OVER SOMETHING, BECAUSE IT MEANS THEIR LIMITED RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE FOR ALL THE OTHER, UM, SHALL WE SAY, UH, COLLECTOR ROADS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, BACK ROADS.
AND, UH, SO THE STANDARD OF SERVICE FOR V DOT THAT THEY'VE PAID IS FOUR MOWINGS AND FOUR TRASH PICKUPS A YEAR.
AND ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS LOOK AROUND AND YOU CAN SEE THERE HADN'T BEEN A TRASH PICKUP, UH, SINCE BEFORE THANKSGIVING.
SO THE FIRST ONE WILL BE COMING UP.
UH, MR. CAROL MAY HAVE REPORTED ON THE SCHEDULE WHEN HE WAS HERE A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE ONE COMING UP EARLY SPRING.
YOU'D HAVE ONE BEFORE THE 4TH OF JULY, ONE LATE SUMMER ONE MID-FALL, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU GET.
AND IF WE WANT MORE THAN THAT, WE HAVE TO DO IT.
AND THE DOT DOES NOT COMPENSATE US FOR THESE IN ADDITION.
NO, AT LEAST THAT IS NOT CERTAINLY MY UNDERSTANDING.
[CITIZENS' COMMENT PERIOD]
RIGHT.MOVE TO CITIZEN COMMENT PERIODS, NO CITIZENS.
[COUNTY ATTORNEY REPORTS AND REQUESTS]
RIGHT.UH, MR. BARNETT OR COUNTY ATTORNEY, ANY REPORTS, UH, JUST BRIEFLY AS A SUSPECT HERE WHERE THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY HAS AT LEAST FOR NOW FINISHED THEIR BUSINESS FOR 2021, THE REGULAR SESSION IS OVER, OR THE REGULAR AND SPECIAL SESSIONS ARE OVER.
THE FIRST SESSION WAS TOO SHORT.
UM, AND THE GOVERNOR CONVENED ANOTHER, UM, MOST OF THE LEGISLATION WHICH WAS ADOPTED HAS NOT YET BEEN SIGNED.
MOST OF IT, THE GOVERNOR HAS UNTIL MIDNIGHT OF THE LAST DAY OF THIS MONTH TO SIGN IT.
THERE ARE A FEW PIECES OF LEGISLATION THAT YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN.
THERE ARE ACTUALLY NOT A GREAT MANY.
I KNOW THAT WE'RE RUNNING LATE FOR TIME.
UM, AND MAYBE THE BEST THING TO DO IS IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT ONE, I'LL TRY TO ANSWER IT THERE.
THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A WHOLE LOT.
THAT IS REALLY GOING TO CAUSE A GREAT ISSUES WITH THE COUNTY.
SOME OPPORTUNITIES OPENED UP MAYBE FOR SOME USEFUL ORDINANCES.
UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF TUSSLE OVER THE GOVERNORS OF POWERS FOR, UM, UH, IN EMERGENCIES AND DISASTER DECLARATIONS, BUT, BUT, UH, ANY LEGISLATION THAT WOULD HAVE CURTAILED AS AUTHORITY DID NOT PASS, UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE LARGER ISSUES.
UM, AND, AND OTHERS, UM, OR THE ONE THAT YOU MAY BE AWARE OF.
THERE IS NOW A WORKERS' BILL WILL BE, IF IT'S SIGNED INTO LAW, A WORKERS' COMPENSATION PRESUMPTION FOR FIREFIGHTERS AND EMS PERSONNEL.
UM, IF THEY CONTRACT COVID OF THAT, IT IS, IT IS A WORKERS' COMPENSATION, COMPENSABLE INJURY, AND THAT IS ACTUALLY MADE RETROACTIVE TO MARCH ONE OF LAST YEAR.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING I KNOW THAT STAFF HAS, HAS ASKED ABOUT, ABOUT INTERESTED IN.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I MENTIONED FOR NOW, UNLESS YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS.
THE MARIJUANA DECRIMINALIZATION BILLS, WHAT DID PASS? UM, IT PASSED IN DIFFERENT, UM, VERSIONS IN THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE.
SO THEREFORE IT WENT TO WHAT THEY CALL A CONFERENCE COMMITTEE.
UM, EACH, UH, EACH HOUSE NOMINATED COUPLE OF PEOPLE AND THEY WENT AND THEY WORKED OUT A COMPROMISE SOLUTION, WHICH DID PASS BOTH SENATE AND HOUSE, BUT VERY NARROWLY, I THINK, IN THE SENATE BY ONE VOTE AND MAYBE IN THE HOUSE OF REP AND THE HOUSE OF DELEGATES BY JUST A FEW, THERE IS, UM, THERE IS A, UM, UH, AN ASSUMPTION AMONG, UH, PEOPLE I'VE CONTACTED AT VML AND VACO THAT THE GOVERNOR WILL PROBABLY PROPOSE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT WE DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE, UH, RIGHT NOW, THE WAY IT PASSED, UM,
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MARIJUANA RETAIL SALES WILL BE PERMITTED AS OF JANUARY ONE, 2024.THERE IS A STATE AGENCY THAT WILL BE CREATED AND IT WILL BECOME OPERATIVE AHEAD OF THAT TIME FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE APPLICATIONS.
IT WILL PROPOSE REGULATIONS AND SO FORTH THAT WILL GOVERN THAT, UH, LOCALITIES WILL HAVE A PERIOD OF TIME IF THEY DO NOT WISH TO HAVE RETAIL SALES, TO ALLOW A REFERENDUM IN THEIR LOCALITY, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE BEFORE THE END OF NEXT CALENDAR YEAR.
AND THE REST OF THE, UH, THE RESULT OF THE REFERENDUM WILL BE BINDING.
YEAH, BUT THAT WOULD ONLY BE THOUGH IT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE REFERENDUM THIS YEAR.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE REST REFERENDUM BY THE END OF 2022.
NOW THIS ASSUMES BY THE WAY THAT IT GETS ADOPTED, BECAUSE AS NARROWLY AS IT GOT PASSED, IF THE GOVERNOR MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS THAT NEITHER HOUSE IS HAPPY WITH AS POSSIBLE TO BUILD ON AND GET PASSED AT ALL THIS YEAR.
SO AS IT SITS, NOW YOU HAVE TO OPT OUT OF RETAIL SALES THROUGH A REFERENDUM.
AND IF, AND IF YOU HAVE A REFERENDUM AND THE PUBLIC ACTUALLY VOTES IN FAVOR OF THEM, THEN, THEN YOU CAN'T OPT OUT, NOR CAN YOU HAVE A REFERENDUM AFTER, UM, AFTER DECEMBER 31ST.
IF THE BOARD DOES NOT WISH TO HAVE A SET, HAVE SALES WITHIN THE COUNTY, DO YOU STILL HAVE TO GO TO A REFERENCE? THAT'S THE ONLY VET THAT APPEARS TO BE THE ONLY OPTION TO PREVENT IT.
THERE THEY'RE THERE TO SOME DEGREE YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ADOPT, UM, UH, ZONING REGULATIONS.
UH, BUT THERE ARE LIMITATIONS ON THE KINDS OF ZONING REGULATIONS THAT YOU CAN ADOPT.
YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO JUST USE YOUR ZONING POWER TO PROHIBIT IT.
YEAH, THE BOARD, UH, I RAISED, UH, UH, A COUPLE OF BILLS ISSUES OR IDENTIFY CALLED FEELS.
I WANT YOU TO TALK ABOUT WHEN YOU GET TO THE LAST MEETING, BUT YOU DID GIVE US A, UM, A PRINTOUT OF THE STATUS, THE IMPORTANCE OF WHAT I, REASON I RAISED THOSE IS BECAUSE THEY ARE, I THINK, SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE HABITS OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING.
ONE OF BEING THE MARIJUANA BILL.
UM, ANOTHER ONE THAT, THAT MAY WE MAY GET INVOLVED IN IS THAT HOUSE BILL 1903, WHICH WAS ADOPTED BY BOTH CHAMBERS, THAT DEALS WITH CHANGING THE SPEED LIMIT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO NOW BE GETTING APPLICATIONS FROM NEIGHBORHOODS TO, TO LOWER THEIR LOWER SPEED LIMITS.
I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY THE PROCESS THAT YOU MIGHT ADOPT TO, TO ENTERTAIN THOSE SUGGESTIONS, BUT LOCALITIES WOULD BE PERMITTED WITHIN S UM, AT LEAST ON CERTAIN STREETS TO BE ABLE TO LOWER SPEED LIMITS TO AS LITTLE AS 15 MILES AN HOUR.
UM, I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT BILL AGAIN.
I KNOW YOU ASKED ABOUT IT PREVIOUSLY AND I, WELL, I JUST SEE AS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ONE OF THE MANY THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD ALREADY PEOPLE ASK ME ABOUT THAT.
UM, NOW THIS ONE, I THINK IS A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF MOTORS GET UPSET WITH BICYCLISTS AND WE'VE HAD, UM, SOME FATALITIES, UH, THAT WERE, IT'S PRETTY SAD BECAUSE PEOPLE DIDN'T BUY BY THIS LAW, BUT THE HOUSE BILL 2262, UH, TALKS ABOUT A BICYCLE IS NOW NO LONGER HAVE TO A RIDE IN A LINE.
THEY CAN RIDE SIDE BY SIDE IN THE ROAD.
AND, UH, AND THE DRIVER OF A VEHICLE, UH, IS THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN THIS THREE FOOT BUFFER THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO MISS THEM BY.
BUT NOW IT SAYS YOU'LL HAVE TO, THE DRIVER LITERALLY WILL HAVE TO CROSS INTO THE OTHER LANE IF HE CAN'T AVOID THE THREE FOOT BUFFALO, IF YOU, IF YOU CAN'T PROVIDE THE THREE-FOOT BUFFER AND STAY IN THE LANE IN WHICH YOU, WHICH YOU AND THE BIKE, WELL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
PEOPLE NEED TO START HEARING ABOUT IT.
SO WE DON'T END UP FOLKS, YOU KNOW, THINKING THEY CAN KIND OF WHIZ BY THE BICYCLISTS AND BRUSH THEM OFF A LITTLE BIT.
AND BICYCLISTS WOULD NO LONGER BE REQUIRED TO DROP INTO SINGLE FILE IN ORDER TO MAKE ROOM FOR THE MOTORIST.
SO THAT'S A BILL THAT'S OUT THERE.
THAT'S, UH, I GUESS, TO WAIT FOR THE GOVERNOR, SIGNED IT, SIGN IT.
UM, AND THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER ONE THAT'S MAY CAUSE RANCOR WITH, UH, MEMBERS OF OUR POPULATION HERE THAT SENATE BILL 1216 TALKS ABOUT NOTICE, UM, TO ENTER UPON A PROPERTY BY THE COUNTY TO, UM, DO WHATEVER THEY'RE GOING TO DO FOR
THAT IS ACTUALLY NOT GOING TO CHANGE A LOT OF PROCEDURE RIGHT NOW.
UH, THE LOCALITY OR THE GOVERNMENT AGENCY IS REQUIRED TO GIVE A 15 DAY NOTICE, AND WE WANT TO COME ONTO YOUR PROPERTY AND DO SURVEYS AND INSPECTIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, TO KNOW WHERE THE SEWER LINE GO OR WHERE THE ROAD BINDING HAS TO BE.
AND THEN IF YOU DON'T GET PERMISSION, YOU ASK PERMISSION IN THAT FIRST LETTER.
IF YOU DON'T GET IT, YOU HAVE TO SEND A SECOND, 15 DAY NOTICE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO COME ON YOUR PROPERTY AND WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, WE'RE GOING TO RUN THE SURVEYS.
AND NOW THEY'VE COMBINED THAT INTO ONE 30 DAY NOTICE.
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HAVE TO SEND THE ONE LETTER, BUT IT, BUT IT SAYS YOU HAVE, WE WILL GIVE YOU 30 DAYS NOTICE.AND IF WE DON'T GET PERMISSION FROM YOU TO ENTER IT EARLIER, OR DON'T GET PERMISSION AT ALL, NONETHELESS, AT THE END OF THE 30 DAYS, WE MAY ENTER YOUR PROPERTY AND CONDUCT THOSE SERVINGS.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PROCEDURE.
IT MAY BE MORE STREAMLINED FROM THE GOVERNMENT STANDPOINT, BUT IT STILL GIVES A TOTAL OF 30 DAYS NOTICE UNLESS THE OWNER OF COURSE CONSENTS TO EARLIER.
AND IT WAS, UM, I GUESS THERE'S A HOUSE BILL TWO, TWO 63 AND SENATE BILL 1165, UH, ELIMINATING THE, UH, DEATH PENALTY AS EFFECTIVE AS OF JULY 1ST WITH IT SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR, I GUESS.
UM, I I'D HAVE TO CHECK AND SEE IF THAT WAS, UH, OKAY.
WELL, I MEAN, SOME SIGNIFICANT SMALLER ITEMS IN, UH, THEY CAME OUT OF THE LEGISLATOR THAT PEOPLE NEED TO BE AWARE OF BECAUSE IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU GET IN THE OLD HABIT OF DOING STUFF OR SEE THINGS HAPPEN IN A CERTAIN WAY.
AND I THOUGHT THESE ARE SOME FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO HABITS THAT WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO.
THANKS MR. SHEPHERD, MR. ZAREMBA, ANYTHING? NOPE.
THANK YOU BY COUNTY ATTORNEY AT THIS TIME,
[COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR REPORTS AND REQUESTS]
I'M GONNA CALL ON OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, MR. MORGAN, ONCE AGAIN, VERY QUICKLY COVID CASES IN EASTERN VIRGINIA CONTINUE TO DECLINE, BUT THE RATE OF DECLINE HAS SLOWED.SO WE ALL NEED TO WATCH THAT VERY CAREFULLY, UH, IN TERMS OF VACCINATION, ACCORDING TO THE STATE DATA, UH, WE'RE APPROACHING ONE FOURTH OF THE COUNTY'S POPULATION, HAVING RECEIVED A VACCINATION.
AND IF YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT MILITARY AND MILITARY DEPENDENCE, THAT WE DON'T HAVE GOOD DATA ON THAT, NUMBER'S PROBABLY MORE LIKE A THIRD OF THE POPULATION.
AND JUST ANNOUNCED TODAY IT'S ON OUR WEBSITE AND YOU CAN EXPECT A LOT MORE, UM, INFORMATION ABOUT THIS IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS.
UH, THE VIRGINIA PENINSULA HAS ANNOUNCED OPERATION VACCINATE, THE PENINSULA, THE SIX LOCALITIES, THE PENINSULA HEALTH DISTRICT, AND THE THREE HEALTH SYSTEMS, A RIVERSIDE SENTARA AND BONTA CORES ARE FORMALIZING THEIR COORDINATION.
UH, IN SETTING UP A UNIFIED COMMAND CENTER, YOUR STAFF IS, UH, HIGHLY INVOLVED.
AND THE IDEA IS THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING A VERY LARGE SURGE IN VACCINE IN TWO OR THREE WEEKS.
SO WE NEED TO BE READY FOR IT.
SO STAND STANDBY FOR MORE DETAILS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE ADMINISTRATOR MISTERS WRENTHAM, RIGHT.
[MATTERS PRESENTED BY THE BOARD]
OH, OKAY.I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE ADMINISTRATOR, BUT TOMORROW IS ST.
AND YOU KNOW, THERE ARE TWO KINDS OF PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD, THOSE WHO ARE IRISH AND THOSE WHO WISH THAT THEY WERE IRISH.
SO PLEASE ALLOW ME TO GIVE YOU AN IRISH BLESSING.
MAY THE WIND THEY EVER ASKED YOU BACK, MADE THE ROAD RISE CLEAR BEFORE YOU AND MAKE GOD FOREVER HOLD YOU IN THE PALM OF HIS HAND, ED AND DEBORAH, UH, MISTERS AROUND BY ANY MATTERS FOR THE PRESENTED BUCKBOARD? WELL, I'M GLAD THAT THERE'S NO CLARIFIED THE GENDER OF, UH, GOD.
I HADN'T HEARD THAT IN A LONG TIME.
AND THEN I JUST WANT TO CIRCLE BACK REAL QUICK REGARDING THE COVID SITUATION.
I KNOW THAT I, AND I'M SURE THE REST OF MY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE BEEN CHALLENGED YOU AND STAFF OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS ABOUT OPPORTUNITIES AND BEING CREATIVE AND WAYS WE CAN GET OUR CITIZENS VACCINATED AND LISTS AND SO FORTH.
AND I JUST WANT TO COMMEND YOU AND STAFF ON THAT JOB SO FAR.
I KNOW I'VE BEEN FRUSTRATED BECAUSE WE'RE CONSTRAINED WITH, WITH THE SUPPLY THAT WE GET AND THE SCHEDULING THAT HAS DONE IT AT THE STATE LEVEL.
BUT, UH, YOU, YOU ALL HAVE RISEN RISEN TO THAT AND HAVE TAKEN CARE OF A LOT OF PEOPLE.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS.
WE'RE GONNA RECONVENE AT SEVEN FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
AND WELCOME BACK TO OUR SEVEN O'CLOCK HOUR, A PUBLIC HEARINGS AT THIS TIME.
[1 Application No. PD-53-20, Fenton Mill Development. Consider adoption of Proposed Ordinance No. 21-3 to approve an application to rezone approximately 376 acres located at 257, 307ll, and 309 Barlow Road (Route 604); 156 and 188 Fenton Mill Road (route 602); and 1000 Newman Road (route 646) from Rural Residential and Limited Business to Planned Development Residential subject to voluntarily proffered conditions.]
CALL ON APPLICANT NUMBER PD FIVE, THREE 20 FENTON MILL DEVELOPMENT.MR. ANDERSON, THREE PRESENTATION, PLEASE.
IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL TONIGHT.
I'M GOING TO MOVE MOVING PRETTY QUICKLY THROUGH THIS AS IT IS A LARGE PROJECT.
UM, MOST OF THE THINGS I WILL COVER WHAT WERE IN THE STAFF MEMORANDUM, BUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS WHILE I'M GOING THROUGH, PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO STOP ME AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR AT THE END.
SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REZONING, UM, FROM LIMITED BUSINESS AND RR TO A PLAN
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DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL UP IN THE UPPER COUNTY OFF FENTANYL ROAD, BARLOW ROAD AND NEWMAN ROAD.UH, THIS IS A PICTURE TAKEN FROM NEWMAN ROAD.
YOU CAN SEE THE AGRICULTURAL OPEN LAND HERE, BUT THEN BEHIND IT IS MOSTLY FOREST.
AND THAT'S WHAT MOST OF THE SITE IS.
UH, THIS IS ANOTHER PICTURE FROM BARLOW ROAD.
THE PROPERTY IS HERE TO THE LEFT.
SO TREED, UH, THESE WERE TAKEN IN THE FALL.
SO, UH, THE LEAVES HAD JUST STARTED TURNING.
UM, WHEN I SAY FORREST, IT, THIS IS THE PROPERTY'S LOCATED IN THE BLUE OUTLINE.
IT, THERE ARE SOME, UH, PREVIOUSLY AGRICULTURE LAND APPEAR OFF BARLOW ROAD.
AND THEN AGAIN, OFF NEWMAN ROAD, WHERE THAT PICTURE OUT HERE, UH, THE, UM, SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT, IF FIRE STATION FIVE SITS HERE ON NEWMAN ROAD AND THEN SKIM AND OAK HILLS IS LOCATED HERE TO THE NORTH.
THESE ARE ABOUT 1.5 UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, ABOUT TWO THIRD, TWO THIRDS OF AN ACRE PROPERTIES.
THEY ARE MOSTLY SINGLE FAMILY, A FEW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OFF THE BARLOW ROAD, NEWMAN ROAD, UH, FURTHER DOWN BARLOW HERE.
AND THEN THERE'S SOME LARGE, UM, TRACT, UH, PARCELS OFF FENTON MILL ROAD, UH, APPROXIMATELY 27 ACRES, 53 ACRES AND 74 ACRES, UM, AROUND THE PROPERTY ALONG FENTON MILL.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RURAL RESIDENTIAL WITH A, UH, UH, THAT THAT'S ABOUT 369 ACRES OF RURAL RESIDENTIAL.
AND THEN ALONG NEWMAN ROAD IS THAT THE, THE REMAINING 6.4 ACRES, WHICH IS ZONED LIMITED BUSINESS, UM, RURAL RESIDENTIAL MAXIMUM DENSITY IS, ARE ABOUT ONE UNIT AND ONE DWELLING UNIT PER ACRE.
UH, LIMITED BUSINESS IS A, UM, UH, ZONING DISTRICT THAT, UH, HAS OPERATIONS COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS THAT USUALLY ARE LIMITED TO DAYLIGHT OPERATIONS.
SO, UH, COMMERCIAL ENTITIES THAT ARE KIND OF DON'T RUN PAST 10 O'CLOCK AND DON'T OPEN UP TOO EARLY.
UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE USUALLY AGAINST RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
SO IT'S KIND OF A BUFFER COMMERCIAL SEOUL AREA.
IT SHOWS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
ALL THE BROWN IS OUR LOW DENSITY, UH, DESIGNATION, UH, LOW DENSITY DESIGNATION IS REALLY PROVIDED FOR SINGLE FAMILY, UH, LOW DENSITY, DETACHED HOUSING, UM, AT ONE DWELLING UNIT PER ACRE AND DENSITY.
AND THEN WE DO HAVE A NOTE OF THE LIMITED BUSINESS, UM, HERE ALONG THE INTERCHANGE.
UM, AND THEN THIS AREA ALSO HAS A MIXED USE OVERLAY, UH, WHICH IS APPROPRIATE FOR MASTERPLAN RESIDENT, UM, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, UH, USES WHERE YOU SEE A MIX OF OFFICE, UM, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
SO PEOPLE CAN BASICALLY LIVE, WORK AND PLAY IN THE SAME KIND OF AREA.
UH, MIXED USE OVERLAY USES RELIES ON THE UNDERLYING DESIGNATION.
SO IN THIS CASE, IT'S A LOW DENSITY TO DETERMINE THE DENSITY, UM, ALLOWABLE DENSITIES THAT ARE IN THIS, UM, IN ANY PROPOSAL FOR THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALSO TALKS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE SEMINOLE HILL AREA, AND IT MENTIONED SEVERAL THINGS AND I'VE JUST HIGHLIGHTED A FEW IT'S, YOU KNOW, THIS A RURAL AREA, THE COUNTY HAS A LOT OF STEEP SLOPES.
UM, THE ROW, THE COLLECTOR ROADS UP THERE HAVE LIMITED CAPACITY, SOMETIMES HAZARDOUS AREAS, UH, FOR DRIVING AND HAS AN, IS AN EXISTING LOW DENSITY DEVELOPMENT THAT SHOULD CONTINUE WRONG DIRECTION.
UH, THE COMP PLAN ALSO TALKS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ROAD LAYOUT AND THAT, UM, THERE SHOULD BE NO INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAYS OFF MAIN ROADS LIKE SO FENTON MILL AND NEWMAN ROAD BARLOW, IT SHOULD BE LIMITED AMOUNTS OF, UH, RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAYS OFF OF THOSE, UH, THAT THERE SHOULD BE A CONNECTION BETWEEN BARLOW ROAD AND FENTON MILL ROAD TO KIND OF HAVE PUT A CUT THROUGH THERE.
AND THAT CUT-THROUGH SHOULD BE KIND OF A SPINE STREET SYSTEM TO ACHIEVE THIS KIND OF CONNECTION BETWEEN THOSE TWO AREAS.
UM, THERE'S ALSO SOME DISCUSSION OF THE SEMINOLE AREA IN THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT, WHICH TALKS ABOUT NEWMAN ROAD IN FENTON MILL ROAD, UH, BEING IDENTIFIED AS REALLY OLDER, SECONDARY ROWS.
THEY'RE NOT VERY WIDE, THEY CAN'T, THEY DON'T HAVE A LARGE CARRYING CAPACITY AND THEY COULD REALLY USE MINOR SHOULDER WIDENING AND OTHER SPOT IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AREA.
I WILL KNOW WHAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IT WOULD.
IT IS PROPOSED TO ADD ABOUT 3000 DAILY TRIPS ONTO NEWMAN.
THE, UM, DEVELOPER DID SUBMIT A HYPOTHETICAL BY RIGHTS, A TRAFFIC SCENARIO THAT I'LL REFER TO A COUPLE OF TIMES.
SO I WANTED TO PUT IT UP HERE AT THE BEGINNING.
THIS HYPOTHETICAL BUY-RITE SITUATION WOULD BE ABOUT 282 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AT ABOUT 50,000 SQUARE FOOT OF COMMERCIAL AREA.
IN THAT LIMITED BUSINESS AREA, I DID LIST SOME OF THE USES THAT THEY ARE GOING TO PUT UP THERE.
AND, UM, I WILL NOTE, UH, FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS WOULD REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND, UH, VARIETY STORES, WHICH IS ONE OF THE USES THAT THEY PUT IN THERE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED AT ALL IN THE LIMITED BUSINESS.
SO THE CALCULATIONS ARE A LITTLE OFF, UH, DUE TO THOSE USES, BUT, UM,
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I, I WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF WHAT I BE TALKING ABOUT.UH, SO THIS SHOWS THE, UH, MASTER PLAN THAT THEY HAVE SUBMITTED.
THE PLAN WOULD HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 599 DWELLING UNITS.
UM, AND THIS INCLUDES 495 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND 104 SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED HOUSES ARE WHAT WE WOULD CALL TOWNHOMES IN THERE.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN BARLOW ROAD AND FENTON MILL.
UH, THE, UH, THE PROPERTY HAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THE ENTRANCE OFF OF, UH, UH, NEWMAN ROAD GOES BACK INTO MORE SINGLE FAMILY HERE AND THEN DOWN TOWARDS FENTON MILL WITH ADDITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY AND THEN A CLUSTER OF TOWNHOMES, UM, AN ISOLATED AREA DOWN HERE, A MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AND THEN A SEVEN LOT AREA OF LARGE HOME, LOTS UP HERE AS AN EXTENSION OF WICHITA.
UH, NOTABLE FEATURES OF THE MASTER PLAN INCLUDES SEVERAL PARKS, UM, OPEN SPACE AREAS, A CENTRALLY LOCATED CLUBHOUSE WITH A POOL, THREE PLAYGROUNDS SPORTS FIELDS, LANDSCAPED BUFFERS THROUGHOUT, UM, SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET AND AN EIGHT FOOT, UM, ASPHALT TRAIL THAT WOULD GO FROM THE SUB THE MOST FURTHEST POINT HERE IN THIS ISOLATED COMMUNITY, UP THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN ALL OF THAT BLUE LINE THAT GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OF TO NEWMAN ROAD WOULD BE THAT EIGHT FOOT ASPHALT TRAIL.
UH, THE MASTER PLAN ALSO SHOWS TWO SITES FOR PUBLIC USE.
UH, ONE IS A 16 ACRE SITE HERE OFF FENTON MILL ROAD, WHICH THEY'VE LISTED AS A PUBLIC SCHOOL SITE.
AND THEN A 52 ACRE, UH, PUBLIC USE SITE UP HERE OFF BARLOW ROAD.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS PROFFERED TO EXTEND PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER TO THE SCHOOL SITE.
UM, IF IT WERE TO BE APPROVED TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC, UM, THE, THE, THE STREETS THAT THE APPLICANT ARE PROPOSING WOULD ALL BE PUBLIC, AND THEY WOULD ALL BE MAINTAINED BY V NOT IF THEY WERE CONSTRUCTED AS PROPOSED.
UH, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS SHOWED ABOUT A 5,368 VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY.
UM, AS THAT, AS I TALKED ABOUT THE HYPOTHETICAL BY, RIGHT, UM, IT WOULD BE ABOUT 5,475, SO ABOUT A HUNDRED MORE TRIPS, UH, VERSUS THE BY, RIGHT.
I WILL NOTE DUE THE COMMERCIAL ATMOSPHERE THAT WE'VE SEEN HERE IN THE COUNTY.
WE'RE NOT SURE IF THAT COMMERCIAL ASPECT WOULD ACTUALLY BE BUILT, UH, BUT JUST PULLING OUT JUST THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME AREAS YOU'D HAVE ABOUT HALF THE VEHICLE TRIPS.
IF IT'S JUST SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT'S BUILT THERE, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS ALSO LOOKED AT SEVERAL ENTRANCES AND INTERSECTIONS IN THIS AREA.
THEY'RE ALL LISTED IN THAT TABLE THERE AND NOTED BY NUMBER, UM, THE APPLICANT, THE STUDY DID NOT FIND ANY, UM, ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE LEVEL OF SERVICE IN ANY OF THESE NOTES.
UM, PROPOSED LOCATIONS, THE ONE EXCEPTION IS HERE IN RED, WHICH IS THE EASTBOUND, UM, OFF RAMP FOR THE INTERSTATE ONTO NEWMAN ROAD.
THE LEFT-HAND TURN SIGNAL, THERE WOULD BE DELAYED FROM WHAT WAS 3.1 31.8 SECONDS.
NOW TWO IN 2036, UM, 154 SECONDS.
SO TO ALLEVIATE THE, UM, ANY, ANY PROBLEMS THAT WOULD MIGHT CAUSE ON THE INTERSTATE, THE APPLICANT IS PROFFERING TO PUT ANY, UH, TO EXTEND THE OFF RAMP, ANOTHER 250 FEET THERE TO HELP WITH THAT.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO RECOMMENDED DO OR THE IMPACT ANALYSIS, UH, RECOMMENDED EASTBOUND, RIGHT TURN LANES INTO THE NEWMAN ROAD ENTRANCE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, THE ONE UP THERE BY THE PARK.
UM, NO TURN LANES WERE RECOMMENDED ON FENTANYL ROAD.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS PROFFERED, DID YOU ALL ONSITE AND OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS OUTLINED IN THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
AND ONE OTHER PIECE THAT THEY PROFFERED IS TO CONTRIBUTE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO THE COUNTY FOR DESIGN WORK ON FENTON MILL ROAD ITSELF TO HELP ALLEVIATE, UM, THE VERY NARROWNESS OF THAT ROAD.
UM, AND THEY WOULD WORK WITH V DOT AND THE COUNTY TO DO THAT.
THE APPLICANT DID, UM, RIGHT IN HIS NARRATIVE THOUGH.
IT WASN'T PROFFERED, UM, WAS THAT AT FOUR, AT THE 451ST UNIT THAT THEY WOULD PUT TOGETHER, UH, THEY WOULD DO A SIGNAL, A STOPLIGHT SIGNAL ANALYSIS AT THIS INTERSECTION FOR THE, UH, THE OFF RAMP TO SEE IF A SITE, A STOPLIGHT WOULD BE WARRANTED.
IF IT IS WARRANTED AT THAT TIME, THEY WILL, UM, WORK WITH VEIT OUT IN THE COUNTY TO PUT IN A STOPLIGHT FOR THAT, FOR THAT AREA, MOVE ON TO SCHOOL IMPACTS.
NOW, THE COUNTY HAS AN AVERAGE OF 0.5, FOUR STUDENTS FOR SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, 0.37 FOR TOWNHOMES.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BUY RIGHT SINGLE FAMILY HOME AREA, THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 156 STUDENTS FOR THE 282 FOR THE 599 UNITS, IT WOULD BE ABOUT IT WOULD GENERATE ABOUT 306 STUDENTS.
AND I'LL GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL HERE IN A MINUTE.
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THE ATTENDANCE ZONES FOR WALLER MILL WOULD BE WALLER MILL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL QUEENSLAND MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND THEN BRUTON HIGH SCHOOL.UM, I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT MAGRUDER IS MAGRUDER ELEMENTARY DOES FEED INTO THE QUEENSLAND MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL EVENTUALLY.
UM, THE CA CURRENT CIP HAVE A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, UH, BUDGETED IN THE CIP, UH, FOR 2026.
UH, WE PUT TOGETHER THIS CHART TO KIND OF HELP YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CURRENT CAPACITY IS, AND TO ALSO LOOK AT FUTURE, UH, POTENTIAL FUTURE STUDENTS THAT COULD BE COMING IN FROM PROJECTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED IN SOME WAY, WHETHER IT'S A BI-RITE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY SITE PLAN OR SUBDIVISION OR ONE THAT HAS BEEN A REZONING REQUEST.
UM, AND THESE INCLUDE EVERYTHING FROM ARBOR DALE TO, UH, MARK KEY AND, AND SOME OF THESE OTHER PIECES.
SO, UH, WE KIND OF CALCULATED THIS OUT.
THE BIGGEST NOTICES YOU'LL SEE ARE THOSE ONES ON THE BOTTOM, AND I'LL JUST FLIP HERE TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.
SO BRUTON HIGH SCHOOL HAS SUFFICIENT CAPACITY TO MEET THE FUTURE.
WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED DEMAND.
PLUS THE FENTON MILL GROUP, UM, QUEEN'S LAKE WOULD BE AT ABOUT A HUNDRED STUDENT, UM, INSUFFICIENCY AND WALLER MILL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WAS THE LARGEST AMOUNT FOR ALL OF THESE REZONINGS, UM, WOULD BE ABOUT 241, UM, IN THE NEGATIVE.
NOW WE DO HAVE SOME, UM, AS I SAID, WE HAVE THAT NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL COMING ONLINE, SO THAT WILL HELP WITH WHILE OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
UM, AND WE DO HAVE AN EIGHT CLASSROOM ADDITION PROPOSED FOR 24, 25 FOR QUEENSLAND MIDDLE SCHOOL.
SO THAT WILL HELP, UM, WITH THOSE AREAS.
SO, UM, WE WILL NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT'S PHYSICAL IMPACT ANALYSIS DID SAY IN THERE THAT THEY DID NOT FEEL THAT THE FENTON MILL PROJECT ITSELF, UM, NECESSITATED ANY KIND OF ADDITIONAL CLASSROOM SPACE, JUST BECAUSE OF THE PHYSICAL PLANNING THAT THE COUNTY HAS ALREADY DONE.
UM, THOSE THINGS WERE ALREADY LINED UP IN, IN, IN, IN OUR BUDGET.
UH, IT WOULDN'T NECESSITATE TO NEW BUSES, UM, BUT THEY ARE OFFERING AS A PROFFER THAT 16 ACRE PUBLIC SCHOOL SITE THAT WILL HAVE PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER, UH, WHICH IS ABOUT AN $800,000 VALUE.
ACCORDING TO THAT, FIS MS. MOVING INTO THE ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION OF THE PLAN, RESIDENT DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL AREA, UH, THESE ARE SOME OF THE STIPULATIONS AND OBJECTIVES WE WANT TO GET WHEN WE ARE THINKING ABOUT A PLAN DEVELOPMENT, A REZONING REQUEST, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THERE'S OPEN SPACE, HIGH STANDARDS FOR LAYOUT AND DESIGN, PROMOTING SUPERIOR PROJECTS AND ACHIEVING THAT MIXTURE OF USES AND TYPES, UH, WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE, THE DISTRICT, UM, CAN BE LOCATED IN AREAS DESIGNATED FOR RESIDENTIAL USES BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, THE PLAN FOR THIS AREA, AS I TALKED ABOUT AS LOW DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL ENVISIONED AS A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOME AREA WITH A MAXIMUM DENSITY OF ONE DWELLING UNIT PER ACRE.
THIS IS FROM THE APPLICANTS, UM, DESIGN GUIDELINES AND TALKS ABOUT, UM, THE, UH, THE, THE SETBACKS THAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRING.
ONE OF THE, UH, OBJECTIVES THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT IS, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOME LOTS WOULD RANGE FROM ABOUT 5,500 SQUARE FEET UP TO 20,000.
AND THOSE 20,000 ARE THE ONES THAT ARE OFF WICHITA LANE, THOSE SEVEN LOTS.
UH, SO MOST OF THEM WOULD BE AROUND THAT 5,500 RANGE TOWNHOME LOTS WOULD RANGE FROM ABOUT 22,200 TO ABOUT 3000 SQUARES SPEED GOING BACKWARDS AGAIN, UH, THEY, THE APPLICANT'S ONLY ASKING FOR ONE DEVIATION FROM THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE HAS, AND THAT'S REDUCING THE FRONT SETBACK, WHICH IS 30 FEET.
UM, SO FOR THEIR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THEY'D BE REQUESTING 25 FEET, WHICH WOULD BE A FIVE FOOT REDUCTION AND FOR COUNT HOMES, IT WOULD BE 20 FEET.
SO A 10 FOOT REDUCTION, UH, THEY SAY THE REASONING FOR THIS IS TO MINIMIZE HOW MUCH DISTURBANCE AREA THEY DO FOR THE PROJECT ITSELF AND TO CREATE A MORE INTERESTING AND UNIQUE, UH, STREETSCAPE, UM, REDUCE SETBACKS ARE A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN FOR STAFF.
UH, JUST BECAUSE IT'S, WE'VE SEEN AN INSUFFICIENT PARKING FOR FUTURE RESIDENTS, UM, THAT WE HAVE A CONCERN FOR.
WE'VE SEEN RECENT DEVELOPMENTS THAT WHERE THERE ARE SHORTAGES ON PARKING, AND WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF DISPLEASURE FROM NEW RESIDENTS.
WHO'VE MOVED INTO THESE TOWNHOME COMMUNITIES, UM, WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO PARK.
AND SO IT'S A BIT OF A CONCERN FOR US ON THAT.
UM, AND, UH, SO WE, WE DID NOTE THAT ONLY ABOUT, UM, ALL OF THE TOWNHOUSES EXCEPT FOR 11 WOULD HAVE THE SITUATION WHERE THERE'S NO ON-STREET PARKING, UM, ON A 20 FOOT WIDE STREET WITH A 20 FOOT SETBACK.
SO ALTHOUGH A CAR COULD FIT IN THAT SPACE AND YOU COULD PARK ONE IN THE GARAGE, YOU GOT TO MOVE THE ONE IN THE DRIVEWAY TO PUT THE ONE IN THE GARAGE AND PUT THE ONE IN THE GARAGE, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF SITUATION.
AND IT CREATES A LITTLE BIT PROBLEMATIC WITH, WITH SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS WE'VE SEEN RECENTLY.
ONE OF THE OTHER REGULATIONS IN OUR PDR ORDINANCE IS THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT.
WE REQUIRE 25% OF OPEN SPACE AND 10% OF THAT TO BE RECREATION SPACE.
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UH, SO IF YOU TAKE OUT THE V DOT STORMWATER PONDS, THE 16 ACRE AND THE 52 ACRE PUBLIC SITES, YOU HAVE ABOUT 307 ACRES OF PROPERTY.SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OPEN SPACE OF ABOUT 165 ACRES, THAT'S ABOUT 54%.
SO OVER, OVER HALF IS GOING TO BE OPEN SPACE, UM, AND 10%, UM, UH, THAT THEY DO MEET THAT 10% RECREATION AREA HAVING 31 ACRES OF, UH, VARIOUS, UM, ACTIVE RECREATION SPACE.
SO WE ALSO HAVE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, CERTAIN CORE RECREATION FACILITIES YOU HAVE TO HAVE.
SO THESE, UH, THIS IS A LIST OF THOSE USES.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS ACTUALLY PROPOSING A FEW MORE THAN THAT.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A CLUBHOUSE POOL, SWIMMING POOL, UM, MANY PARKS, LOTS OF PLAYGROUNDS, UM, A PAVILION SOCCER FIELD, LITTLE POCKET PARKS THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD SIDEWALKS ON BOTH STREET AND THAT EIGHT FOOT, UM, TRAIL THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
NOW, THE ZONING ORDINANCE DOES SAY THERE CAN BE SOME FLEXIBILITY THAT THE BOARD CAN OFFER TO APPLICANTS, UM, TO REMOVE CERTAIN CORE FACILITIES IN THIS CASE, UM, TENNIS COURTS ARE NOT ON THIS LIST, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE COUNTY.
UM, HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT HAS ADDED IN THAT AREN'T SO LIKE THE CLUBHOUSE AND THE ASPHALT TRAIL THAT GOES THROUGH THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD, OR KIND OF WHAT THEY'RE OFFERING INSTEAD OF TENNIS.
AND SO THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE CLUBHOUSE.
YOU CAN SEE IT ALSO HAS THE DOG PARK PLAYGROUND, OPEN SPACE PARKING FOR THE USE.
THIS IS THE PARK AT THE BEGINNING, RIGHT OFF NEWMAN ROAD.
SO IT JUST HAS THE COMMUNITY BUILDING THERE.
UH, YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF BEAUTIFICATION OPEN SPACE FOR, UM, RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO GO AND ENJOY THE SPACE RIGHT OFF NEWMAN ROAD.
UH, THERE'S THE SOCCER FIELD ON THE LEFT TOP LEFT, UM, OTHER PLAYGROUND FACILITIES, UM, SITTING AREA AND SUCH.
SO THESE ARE THE EXAMPLES THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS GIVEN US.
THERE'S ALSO A CERTAIN ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS THAT THE APPLICANTS HAVE PUT IN THEIR DESIGN GUIDELINES.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT GREEN LINE THAT GOES THROUGH THE MIDDLE.
THEY HAVE TWO ARCHITECTURAL ZONES, A AND B A IS EVERYTHING TO THE NORTH OF THAT LINE.
UM, AND B IS EVERYTHING BELOW AND THE GUIDELINES GO THROUGH DIFFERENT STANDARDS FOR THOSE, UM, USES ON CALLING OUT DIFFERENT PIECES.
UH, THEY ALSO HAVE HIGHLIGHTED WHAT THEY CALL HIGH VISIBILITY, LOTS.
THOSE ARE THOSE BLUE AND YELLOW LOTS YOU SEE IN THERE.
AND THOSE ARE ONES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD DEFINITELY SEE WHEN YOU DRIVE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE ON CORNERS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR ARCHITECTURE THAT THEY HAVE LISTED IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR THOSE AREAS.
UH, THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THE TOWN HOMES AND SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
UM, THIS IS JUST A SMALL EXAMPLE OF WHAT THEY INCLUDED IN THEIR DESIGN GUIDELINES.
UH, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF STONE BRICK, UH, CEMENT FIBER, UH, SOME, UM, HIGH QUALITY VINYL THAT THEY, THEY TALK ABOUT.
UH, THEY ALSO, THE GUIDELINES ALSO EMPHASIZE THAT MAIN ENTRIES ARE TO BE EMPHASIZED AND EASILY IDENTIFIABLE FROM THE MAIN TRAVEL WAYS.
UH, THIS SHOULD REDUCE THE PREDOMINANT GARAGE DOOR.
YOU FEEL SOMETIMES WHEN YOU DRIVE THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO THEY'RE TRYING TO REDUCE THAT A LITTLE BIT WITH MANY REZONING REQUESTS, WE HAVE A PROFFER CONDITION, SO PROFFERS OR VOLUNTARY CONDITIONS THAT THE APPLICANT IS OFFERING THE COUNTY.
UM, AND THESE ARE ALL LISTED HERE.
I'VE TALKED ABOUT MOST OF THESE ALREADY, AND, UH, I'LL JUST KIND OF FLIP THROUGH THEM.
AND THEN, UH, UH, THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT THEY HAVE HAVE COMMITTED TO DOING FOR THE COUNTY IN A VOLUNTARY BASIS.
I TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT, BUT THIS KIND OF GETS INTO THE NUMBERS.
UH, THE APP, THE ANALYSIS DOES SHOW THAT IT IS A POSITIVE, VISIBLE IMPACT AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE ANNUAL NET REVENUE AND THEN THE 15 YEAR, AND THEN THE COST BENEFIT RATIO IS AS IS HIGH 1.7 TO ONE AND 2.3121.
OVER THAT 15 YEAR PERIOD, THE FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS ALSO KIND OF NOTED COSTS AND HOUSING THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING.
UM, NONE OF THIS WAS PROFFERED, SO IT COULD CHANGE, BUT I WANTED TO JUST SHARE IT WITH YOU SO YOU COULD SEE KIND OF WHAT THE COST RANGE MIGHT BE.
SO THE 300 ON THE LOW END FOR THE SMALLER SINGLE FAMILY, LOTS GOING UP TO 600,000, THOSE ARE PROBABLY FOR THOSE LOTS OFF WICHITA LANE, UM, 250 AND 350 FOR THE TOWNHOME LOTS.
AND THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT TOWNHOME STYLES IN THERE.
SO JUST JUMPING INTO THE RECOMMENDATION.
NOW, THE, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT IN GENERAL IS VERY WELL-DESIGNED, UH, CONCEIVED AS A DESIRABLE MIX OF HOUSING TYPES, UM, STYLES, AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLANS OBJECTIVES FOR PROVIDING A RANGE OF HOUSING TYPES, CORRESPONDING TO A DIVERSE POPULATION.
IT ALSO PRESERVES SIGNIFICANT OPEN SPACE, UM, AS WOULD A BI-RITE SUBDIVISION UNDER THE EXISTING RR SUBDIVISIONS.
AND JUST TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT, WE DON'T, THERE'S A COMMON MISCONCEPTION THAT IN RR, YOU HAVE ONE ACRE LOT REQUIREMENTS.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE ONE ACRE, LOTS, YOU KNOW, HERE, HERE, HERE WOULD
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BE ONE ACRE, LOTS, WELL THIS, BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS ON THIS PROPERTY, THEY WOULD PROBABLY MOVE FORWARD.AND IT HAS A OPEN SPACE CLUSTER SUBDIVISION, UH, IN THOSE KINDS OF SUBDIVISION.
THOSE ARE BI-RITE, UM, ALLOWANCES WITHIN OUR ORDINANCE.
UH, THEY CAN, THERE ARE NO THE MINIMUM LOT REQUIREMENTS, UM, AND THEY MUST PURSUE AT LEAST 40% OF THE OPEN SPACE.
UM, SO WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T SEE A ONE ACRE LOT SUBDIVISION HERE.
THIS WOULD BE A CLUSTER WHERE THE HOMES WOULD BE CLOSER TOGETHER.
UH, THE ROADS WOULDN'T GO ALL THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE THING DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY WOULD STAY AWAY FROM THOSE ENVIRONMENTALLY, UH, CONSTRAINED AREAS LIKE THE STEEP SLOPES AND WETLAND AREAS.
UH, THE APPLICANTS HAVE ALSO PROFFERED THE, UH, 16, UM, ACRE SCHOOL SITE.
AND THIS WILL HELP KIND OF WITH THAT FUTURE, UH, IMPACTS ON THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, UM, AS WELL AS THE, UH, PUBLIC WATER EXTENSION, UH, FROM THE UNDER THE INTERSTATE OVER TO THE SITE.
UM, AND THEN UP INTO THE SEMINOLE HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WHICH WILL HELP IMPROVE THEIR WATER FLOW.
AND WE ALSO THOUGHT THAT THE 4.8 ACRE SITE, UM, PARKSIDE OFF NEWMAN ROAD PROVIDES A VERY VISUAL, ATTRACTIVE RURAL FIELD.
AS YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN NEWMAN ROAD OR ENTERING THE SUBDIVISION, YOU DON'T AUTOMATICALLY GET INTO HOMES.
YOU KIND OF GET TO SEE THIS OPEN SPACE RIGHT OFF THOSE MAIN ROADS.
SO WE THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS OKAY.
UH, THE LAND USE ELEMENT OF THE COMP PLAN STATES THAT THE TERM RURAL IS THE ONE ADJECTIVE THAT IS PROBABLY USED MOST, UM, TO DESCRIBE YOUR COUNTY.
SO WE HEAR THINGS LIKE RURAL LIFESTYLE OR COUNTRY FEEL THINGS ABOUT LIVING IN THE COUNTY, UM, PLAN FURTHER STATES THAT MAINTAINING THIS RURAL CHARACTER IN THE FACE OF DEVELOPMENT IS A STRONG, UH, BALANCE THAT WE HAVE AS THE COUNTY HAVE TO, UM, LOOK AT AS WE FACE PROPERTY RIGHTS OF LAND OWNERS WHO WANT TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY AND THE CHALLENGES THAT THE CITIZENS WANT OF HAVING THIS RURAL FEEL.
ONE OF THE PRINCIPLE CRITERIA IS THOUGH THAT WE LOOK AT FOR ANY KIND OF REZONING IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND WHAT DOES IT SAY THE VISION FOR IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THIS AREA IS LOW DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS THAT ONE DWELLING UNIT PER ACRE.
UH, THE OVERALL DEFENSE DENSITY OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS ABOUT 1.6 UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, BUT IF WE WERE TO EXCLUDE THE 52 ACRE SITE AND THE 16 ACRE SITE, UM, THAT REALLY BRINGS IT UP A LITTLE HIGHER TO ABOUT A 1.9 UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH IS MORE IN LINE WITH THE HIGH DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION, THAT'S IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT DOESN'T MATCH UP WITH THIS LOW DENSITY, UH, THAT WE PROPOSE, UM, THE ZONING ORDINANCE DOES HAVE A MAXIMUM DENSITY OR PDRS, UM, AND IT NEEDS TO BE, IT SAYS IT NEEDS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, FOR THE AREA.
SO IN THIS CASE, THAT'S ONE UNIT PER ACRE, UH, WHICH IS, UH, A LITTLE OFF FROM WHAT THESE INCREASES ARE.
HOWEVER, THE PDR ORDINANCE DOES SAY THAT THE BOARD HAS THE RIGHT TO ADJUST THAT UP OR DOWN IF THEY DECIDED, UM, SO IN THIS CASE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO ALLOW AN INCREASE, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, UM, AND SAY, THAT'S NOT UNCOMMON.
WE HAVEN'T, WE'VE EXCEEDED THAT IN THE PAST.
SO EXAMPLES OF THAT WOULD BE ARBOR DALE OFF BULLET FENCE BOULEVARD, OR WHITAKER'S MILL OFF PENNIMAN ROAD, OR MARQUEE HILLS BEHIND THE MARQUEE SHOPPING CENTER.
ALL OF THOSE WERE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY DESIGNATIONS IN THE COMP PLAN, WHICH HAS NO DENSITY ALLOWANCES IN THE ACTUAL PLAN.
SO THEY ARE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AREAS, COMMERCIAL, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND THOSE WERE ALL APPROVED FOR REZONING DENSITIES THAT DID INCREASE THE DENSITY WITHIN THAT.
SO, UM, WE FEEL THAT THIS AREA THAT'S SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED FOR LOW DENSITY, THERE'S REALLY NO COMPELLING REASON TO, TO DOUBLE THAT BASICALLY DOUBLE THE DENSITY ON THERE, UH, BECAUSE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS, SO IT TALKS SO FERVENTLY ABOUT THIS AREA.
I WILL NOTE THAT THE AFRICANS HAVE, UH, MADE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO THEIR ORIGINAL PLAN THAT THEY CAME FORWARD WITH.
UM, IN THIS PLAN THAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED TONIGHT, THEY ELIMINATED THE COMMERCIAL AREA THAT THEY HAD ORIGINALLY HAD ON NEWMAN ROAD.
UH, THEY ELIMINATED, THEY WENT DOWN FROM 108 HUNDRED AND 36 UNITS TOTAL TO 599.
UM, THEY REMOVED THE AGE RESTRICTED QUADRAPLEXES THAT WERE UP AGAINST SKIMBO HILL.
UM, AND THEY ALSO ELIMINATED A STREET CONNECTION THAT HAD GONE FROM BARLOW ROAD WHERE THAT WICHITA LANE EXPANSION IS THEN CAME DOWN THROUGH THE PROPERTY, UM, ALL BECAUSE OF THE, UH, CONCERNS THAT THEY GOT FROM CITIZENS DURING THE PUBLIC MEETINGS, UH, FOR THIS APPLICATION.
SO, UH, THEY HAVE MADE SEVERAL CHANGES IN THAT.
AND, UH, IT IS OUR OPINION THAT CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF THE PLAN WERE, WERE SOMEWHAT SUPERIOR TO THIS ONE, WAS THAT RIGHT CONNECTION.
I NOTED THAT, UH, THAT THE COMP PLAN SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT A CONNECTOR ROAD FROM BARLOW TO FENTON, AND THAT WAS TAKEN OUT, UH, WITH THIS.
UH, SO IT DOESN'T REALLY MEET WITH WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAID.
UM, ANOTHER PIECE IS, UH, WHERE YOU ARE ADJACENT TO
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AN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD.UM, YOU SHOULD TRY TO MATCH UP THE SAME, UM, SQUARE FOOTAGES AND FOR THAT SITE.
SO THE APPLICANTS ARE, UM, HAS HAVE HOUSING UP AGAINST SKIMBO HILLS THAT SHOWS ABOUT 25, UM, QUARTER ACRE, LOTS, A BUDDING 14 EXISTING HALF ACRE LOTS.
AND, BUT THERE IS A 50 FOOT WIDE BUFFER IN THERE EVEN WHEN YOU TAKE THE 50 FOOT BUFFER AND YOU ADD IT INTO THE USE OF THESE STILL NOT BIG ENOUGH TO REALLY MATCH UP WITH, UM, WHAT'S IN SKIMMING SEMINOLE HILLS NOW.
UH, SO THAT, THAT IS ONE OF THE OTHER DEVIATIONS THAT WE HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT.
UH, WE ARE KIND OF DISAPPOINTED THAT THERE COULDN'T BE A WIN-WIN COMPROMISE BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THE COMMUNITY THAT COULD BE REACHED BETWEEN BOTH GROUPS.
UH, THERE ARE A LOT OF REDEEMING QUALITIES FOR THIS PROPOSAL, UM, THAT WE CHOSE COULDN'T BE MET BECAUSE OF COMMUNITY CONCERNS.
UM, AND THERE WERE A LOT OF ELEMENTS THAT HAD TO BE CHANGED THAT MADE IT KIND OF INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN, AND THOSE WERE MAINLY PROPOSED BY THE CITIZENS THEMSELVES.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE MADE YOU AWARE OF THAT.
WE WANTED TO ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AS WELL AS SIMILAR DOCUMENTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, UM, ALL HAVE A VISION AND GUIDANCE, UM, FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT GOES ACROSS MANY TOPOGRAPHICAL OR TOPOGRAPHICAL TOPOGRAPHICAL CATEGORIES AND, UH, COMPATIBILITY WITH ONE GOAL SOMETIMES BEATS UP AGAINST ANOTHER GOAL.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE THAT IN COMPATIBILITY.
UM, CONCEPTS LIKE COMMUNITY, CHARACTER, DENSITY, TRANSPORTATION, CONNECTIVITY, AND HOUSING AFFORDABILITY ARE ALL EXAMPLES WHERE WE CAN'T REALLY PERFECTLY RECONCILE EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
UM, BUT, UH, THAT'S KIND OF THE NATURE OF LOCAL LAND USE DECISION-MAKING AND HOW WE HAVE TO HAVE TO, UM, KIND OF WORK WITH THIS.
AND I, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO CHANGE AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
SO IN SUMMARY, WE TH WE DO THINK THIS IS A WELL-DESIGNED LAYOUT AND MEETS THE SPIRIT INTENT OF THE PDR PROVISIONS, BUT WE DON'T FEEL IT ADEQUATELY MEETS THE STANDARDS OF CONSISTENCY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO, UH, WE ARE RECOMMENDING DENIAL.
UH, WE HAVE PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 21 DASH THREE.
IF YOU DO DECIDE TO APPROVE IT, UH, THERE ARE CONDITIONS SET IN THERE, UH, FOR THAT APPROVAL.
I WILL NOTE, UH, THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND DENIAL SIX TO ZERO AT THEIR MEETING IN NOVEMBER.
I HOPE THAT DIDN'T GO TOO LONG, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
AND I GO BACK TO SLIDES IF THERE'S SOMETHING YET I SHUT DOWN.
SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. ANDERSON BEFORE I CALL ON THE APPLICANT, OR DO WE WANT TO SAVE HER QUESTIONS TO BRING UP THIS SCHOOL SLIDE AGAIN, PLEASE? YOU WANT THE TABLE, SIR? WELL, IT WAS THE ONE THAT SHOWED, UH, THE, THE CAPACITY OF THE SCHOOLS.
WELL, WHEN WE SEE A CHANGE IN MY GLASSES THIS YEAR, UM, NOW THAT'S NOT THE ONE YOU SAID DIVEY SHOWED THE ONE THAT HAD THERE.
WALLER MILL AS AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, RIGHT? SURE.
SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY HALF THE SCHOOL ALMOST.
UM, AND YOU MADE A COMMENT, SOMETHING ABOUT, UH, PUBLIC SCHOOL COMING IN, IN THE FUTURE HERE AT 26 27.
WELL, I THINK THAT'S ON THE SCHOOL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR, OR EXCUSE ME, A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
THAT'S JUST KIND OF NOTIONAL WITH JUST MIGHT, ALTHOUGH THEY'VE DONE, BECAUSE THE FACT THAT WE'RE DOWN A LOT OF STUDENTS, I MEAN OVER 800, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WHICH IS COMMON EVERYWHERE, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY WENT TO.
AND WE WERE ALSO KIND OF SURPRISED BY THE, IN PREVIOUS TIMES, OUR, OUR ESTIMATES HAD BEEN, BEEN PRETTY MUCH RIGHT ON I'M LOOKING AT TIM HERE BECAUSE HE DOES THAT, BUT THEN THAT A SURPRISE, IT WAS A DROP-OFF IN STUDENTS.
SO IN MY MIND, WHEN I SEE THIS YOU'RE TALKING, UH, IF WE TALK ABOUT AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, YOU TALKING PROBABLY AROUND $30 MILLION IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST TO BUILD ONE OF THOSE.
AND IF YOU TALK TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, WHICH IS, I THINK THE NEXT ONE UP, RIGHT, IT WAS A, THERE WAS A WALTER MILL ELEMENTARY OF PAY QUEENS LIGHT THAT'S AROUND A $60 MILLION SCHOOL.
SO I JUST, I MEAN, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THESE, UH, THE INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIREMENTS AND THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE, THESE ARE THINGS THAT, THE DECISIONS THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WE MAKE, THESE DECISIONS CAN END UP DRIVING US TO END UP MAKING GREAT EXPENSES HERE, VERY EXPENDITURES, RIGHT.
AND I WILL KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT THE, THIS SLIDE, WHICH WAS THE NEXT ONE THAT QUEEN'S LAKE WILL HAVE, IS ALREADY PROGRAMMED IN 24, 25 TO HAVE AN EIGHT CLASSROOM ADDITION.
SO THAT SHOULD HELP ALLEVIATE JUST AN ADDITION.
BUT IT SHOULD HELP WITH THAT HUNDRED STUDENT PIECE.
UH, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT WITH THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, IT HAS BEEN PUSHED OUT
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AT LEAST A YEAR, I THINK IS WHAT I WAS TOLD.I WAS PUSHED BACK ONE YEAR SINCE THE LAST TIME WE LOOKED WELL, WE'VE HEARD THIS IN THE PAST FOR OTHER OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WILL A LITTLE BIT HERE, A LITTLE BIT THERE.
THEN WE ENDED UP WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVING THIS, UH, PROVIDE RESOURCES TO THE SCHOOLS TO COMPENSATE FOR.
I MEAN, THE WORST CASE, I THINK IT WAS YORK ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WHICH HAD A CAPACITY OF SOMEWHERE AROUND 700 AND THEY WERE AT CAPACITY.
I MEAN, DENNY ENDED UP HAVING TO DO ALL THE ADDITIONS, WHICH WE'VE DONE IN TAB AND THE TAB ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
WE DONE A WHOLE BUNCH OF THEM WERE EITHER PUT TRAILERS IN AND YOU HAVE THE TRAILERS IN THERE FOR A YEAR FOR YOUR KIDS, WHICH THEN UPSETS THE PARENTS BECAUSE THE KID'S NOT GOING TO SCHOOL AND WE DON'T WANT TO, AND THAT'S A BIG, A BIG DEAL FOR US AND YOUR COUNTIES, OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM.
UM, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO JUST, YOU KNOW, FOR THE BOARD, JUST TO REMIND THEM THAT THESE THINGS COST A HONK, A CHANGE, AND EVERY TIME WE BUILD, WE ADD SOMETHING IN, IT COULD BE A LITTLE ADDITION, LITTLE ADDITION, BUT AFTER A WHILE YOU REACH A POINT WHERE YOU GOING TO BE BUYING A SCHOOL AND YOU GET TO HIGH SCHOOL, IT'S OVER A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR, FOR A COUNTY.
HEY, SEMESTERS, UH, EARL, I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY THAT THE, UH, THE APPLICANT WAS GOING TO PROVIDE WATER FROM SOAR TO THE SCHOOL THAT DOESN'T EXIST YET.
WHAT ABOUT THE HOUSES? IS THIS SEPTIC THING? NO, NO, THE HOUSES, I MEAN THAT WATER SEWER EXTENSION WOULD BE FOR THE HOUSES, BUT TO MAKE THE MORE, THE SCHOOL PROPERTY MORE VALUABLE AND THE PROFFER, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY WOULD BE PROVIDING PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER.
THE PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER WOULD BE AN EXTENSION TO THE NEIGHBOR, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, AND EVENTUALLY UP INTO SKIM AND OAK HILLS IS THE PROPOSAL TO KIND OF BOOST THE, UH, WATER LINE UP THERE.
WELL, IT'S ALL TIED TO THE CHESAPEAKE BAIT ACT AND ALL THAT BUSINESSES I'VE SAID, I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THIS WOULD BE A SUBDIVISION WITHOUT SITTING WAR GOING TO EACH OF THE HOUSES THE WAY YOU SAID IT.
YOU SHORTER, YOU KEPT TALKING ABOUT THE MASTER PLAN.
THE MASTER PLAN WAS THE MIDDLE PLAN.
VAIL WAS, THE DEVELOPER CAME IN AL AROUND THE NUMBERS OF WANTING TO PUT ABOUT 800 OR OVER 800 HOUSES THERE.
THE BUY RIGHT WAS DOWN AROUND 200, 200 AND SOME.
AND SO THE MASTER PLAN WAS THE MID POINT.
I HAVE THREE, I HAVE THREE MAPS AT MY DESK AT MY OFFICE, RIGHT.
THE DESIRED 800 OR PLUS THE BIBLE.
AND THEN THIS MIDDLE PLAN, IS THAT WHAT YOU REFERRING TO AS THE MAP? YES, SIR.
SO THE, UM, THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS 836 UNITS, AS YOU SAID, UM, THEY MET WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THEY DECIDED TO REDUCE THAT NUMBER TO WHAT THEY PROPOSE TO YOU HERE TONIGHT, WHICH IS 599.
IN ADDITION, THERE IS A BUY RIGHT.
UM, A PLAN, NOT A PLAN, BUT A NUMBER WHICH WAS ABOUT 282 UNITS.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT STRAW, WELL, AS THE DEVELOPER OF THIS, BUT THERE'S THE COUNTY THOUGH.
WHAT'S DRIVING THE DEVELOPER TO GO FROM THE BUY-RITE NUMBER TO THIS SO-CALLED MASTER PLAN.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I THINK, UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING THE ADDITIONAL DENSITY, UM, TO PROVIDE THE ADDITIONAL AMENITIES.
SO THE POOL, THE POOL, THE CLUBHOUSE, THESE KINDS OF AMENITIES, YOU KNOW, SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, THE EIGHT FOOT ASPHALT, THOSE ARE NOT THE THINGS YOU WOULD SEE IN A BI-RITE SUBDIVISION.
UM, SO TO DO THESE EXTRA THINGS, YOU KNOW, THE DENSITY HELPS THEM PAY FOR THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
BUT THE APPLICANT COULD PROBABLY ANSWER THAT A LITTLE BIT.
I SEE A FEW CLARIFICATION QUESTIONS.
THE, UH, GOING BACK TO THIS, THE STUDENT NUMBERS, COULD YOU PULL THAT SLIDE BACK UP WITH THE TABLE? SO THOSE SHORTFALLS INCLUDE THE ADDITIONAL STUDENTS AS WE ANTICIPATE WILL COME FROM THE FENTON MILL, UM, DEVELOPMENT AS PROPOSED, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND SHORTFALL JUST IN GENERAL, OR THIS IS, YEAH, THIS DOES NOT ACCOUNT THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR, WE PULLED OUR NUMBERS FROM A REGULAR SCHOOL.
UM, AVERAGE DAILY MEMBERSHIP, I THINK IS WHAT IT'S CALLED ADM.
UM, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT FEBRUARY, 2020 WAS THE LAST TIME WE HAD AN AVERAGE, UM, FOR THAT WE DID NOT ACCOUNT FOR THE DROP IN NUMBERS.
WE WANTED TO DO A REGULAR SCHOOL YEAR.
SO WHAT ABOUT IF WITH THAT THEN FIT AND MILL DEVELOPMENT.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE A SHORTFALL OVER THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE TO WHICH WE'LL PROBABLY GROW OVER TIME.
SO, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LINE ITEM HERE FOR POTENTIAL, SEES MY
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MOUSE COMING UP YET.SO FUTURE FED MALE STUDENTS HERE WHILE OUR MALE 137, IF YOU SUBTRACT THAT FROM TWO 41, YOU'VE GOT ABOUT ONE, ONE OH FOUR ISH.
UM, THAT YOU'RE STILL IN THE HOLE, BUT, UM, A LOT OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE IN, IN LINE HAVE ALSO HAD, YOU KNOW, HAD SUBMITTED PROFFERS FOR EVERY STRUCTURE THAT'S BUILT.
THEY PUT SO MUCH MONEY IN FOR THE, FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT FOR SCHOOL IMPACTS.
AND SOMETHING MR. SHEPHERD HIT UPON THAT CROSSED MY MIND A FEW TIMES IS ABOUT THE SHORTFALL THAT WE HAVE IN, WELL, THE, THE STUDENT POPULATION GOING DOWN AND WE DON'T KNOW WHY, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO, I HAVE TO EXPECT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK EITHER HOMESCHOOLED OR SOMETHING COVID RELATED AS THERE'S KEEPING PEOPLE FROM THE SCHOOLS.
AND ONCE WE GET BACK TO NORMAL, WE MAY SEE EVEN A BIGGER SHORTFALL THAN WHAT, WHAT YOU SEE HERE WITH, WITH THE NUMBERS YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH.
SO WE HAD TO KIND OF BE PREPARED FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF THAT HAPPENING AS WELL.
THE NEXT THING YOU, YOU SHOW ME SOME TRAFFIC NUMBERS AND I MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHAT CORRECTLY.
IT LOOKED LIKE THAT WAS GOING TO BE MORE TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD BY THE SMALLER BUY RIGHT DEVELOPMENT THAN THE LARGER, THAT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE.
UM, SO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE ABOUT 5,368 VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED THE HYPOTHETICAL, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND THE LIMITED BUSINESS.
UM, THEY ARE SHOWING IT AS 5,475 VEHICLE TRIPS.
SO ABOUT ANOTHER HUNDRED VEHICLE TRIPS WITH THE BUY-RITE DEVELOPMENT.
SO, UH, SO I GUESS THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT THE LIMITED BUSINESS IS GOING TO DRIVE THE OKAY.
AND AS I SAID, THEY INCLUDED A FAST FOOD USE, WHICH IS REALLY, WOULD BE, THEY'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS FOR THAT.
SO THE BOARD WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE IT.
AND TRAFFIC IS A BIG PIECE THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT, AND THEY ALSO INCLUDED A VARIETY STORE, WHICH IS NOT ALLOWED IN LIMITED BUSINESS.
SO THE TRAFFIC NUMBERS ARE PROBABLY A LITTLE HIGH FOR THAT, BECAUSE THOSE WERE THE TWO BIGGEST GENERATORS OF TRAFFIC IN THEIR, IN THEIR ANALYSIS.
THAT HELPS ME UNDERSTAND THAT YOU MENTIONED ANOTHER SLIDE ABOUT THE HYPOTHETICAL BI-RITE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE PROBABLY BE A CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT TO STAY AWAY FROM ENVIRONMENTAL SITES.
UM, IT DOES THE, DOES THE PROPOSED PLAN ALSO STAY AWAY FROM THOSE SAME ENVIRONMENTAL SITES OR, OH, YES.
SO LET ME GO BACK TO THE MASTER PLAN.
SO THIS IS THE MASTER PLAN THAT THEY HAVE SUBMITTED.
SO YOU CAN SEE ALL THE GREEN AREAS HERE.
THESE LITTLE BLUE LINES ARE BASICALLY THE RPA AREAS.
UM, SO THOSE ARE MAINLY STEEP SLOPE AREAS.
SO THEY WOULD STAY OUT OF THOSE WITH A BY RIDE DEVELOPMENT.
THEY WOULD PROBABLY STAY OUT OF THOSE ALSO, UM, AND NOT, NOT CROSS INTO THEM.
UM, AND SO YOU CAN SEE THOSE THROUGHOUT THE PLAN.
THERE'S DIFFERENT LITTLE BLUE AREAS THAT, UH, WHERE THERE'S NO HOUSES, BASICALLY.
BUT WITH A BI-RITE DEVELOPMENT.
SO CLINICALLY, IF YOU WERE HOME, DO YOU STILL HAVE A LOT OF ROOM TO STRETCH OUT INTO IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO CLUSTER? CORRECT.
THEY COULD CHOOSE NOT TO CLUSTER.
AND THE LAST THING YOU MENTIONED ABOUT, I THINK ABOUT HOW THIS PLAN AVERAGES TO 1.6 HOMES PER ACRE IS RIGHT.
THAT ALWAYS THROWS ME OFF BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT REALLY TALKING ABOUT EACH OF THOSE LOTS BEING 1.6 ACRES, YOU'RE TALKING, YOU'RE DIVIDED THE TOTAL NUMBER OF ACRES BY THE TOTAL NUMBER OF HOUSES.
SO YOU'RE NOT REALLY HAVING HOMES ON 1.6 ACRE LOTS, SO CORRECT.
THOSE ARE IN THAT 5,500 SQUARE FOOT RANGE AND A LITTLE UP, SO THOSE WICHITA LANE LOTS UP THERE, THOSE PINK LOTS UP HERE.
RIGHT? THOSE ARE A LOT LARGER.
THERE ARE ABOUT 20,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO IF YOU, UM, LOOK DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM, THEY KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT SIZES SOMEWHAT.
I'D LIKE TO CALL ON THE APPLICANT.
WE HAVE BOOSTER MEYERS, MR. CHAIRMAN, GOOD EVENING.
I'M A MANAGER OF FENTANYL ASSOCIATES.
OUR ADDRESS IS ONE 10 MID-ATLANTIC PLACE IN YORKTOWN.
UM, I'D LIKE TO FIRST THANK THE STAFF REALLY, PARTICULARLY EARL THE LAST YEAR HAS BEEN KIND OF ROUGH ON EVERYBODY AND HE'S SHOWN THE PATIENTS THAT JOE, BUT HE HAS BEEN THROUGH ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, I ALSO WANT TO SAY BEFORE I GET STARTED, I'VE WORKED IN AND DONE BUSINESS IN SEVERAL HAMPTON ROADS, LOCATIONS, LOCALITIES OVER THE LAST 40 YEARS.
AND I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW HOW LUCKY YOU ARE TO HAVE THE STAFF THAT YOU HAVE HERE.
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UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T ALWAYS AGREE.WE'RE NOT GOING TO AGREE TONIGHT, BUT THEY ARE ALWAYS THE CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONALS AND YOU'RE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE THEM AND OUR RESPECT FOR MR. MORGAN AND MS. CASTLE AND THEIR STAFF.
UH, I JUST THINK YOU NEED TO KNOW JUST WHAT YOU HAVE HERE.
SO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT GOING TO AGREE, UM, WE, IT'S A FIRST CLASS, IT'S A FIRST CLASS PLACE TO DO BUSINESS AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
UM, I DON'T NEED TO FAMILIARIZE YOU.
I DON'T THINK WITH MID ATLANTIC WITH US, WE'VE BEEN HERE A LONG, LONG TIME.
OVER 40 YEARS DO KNOW THAT WE TAKE OUR INTEREST IN THE COUNTY VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY.
AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE RAISED OUR FAMILIES HERE, ALL OF US.
UM, WE'VE BEEN A FABRIC PART OF THE FABRIC OF THIS COMMUNITY FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
AND WE TAKE IT VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY.
UM, YOUR COUNTY, I'VE ASKED EARL TO PUT UP THIS, THIS MAP OF THE COUNTY, BUT ABOUT 30 YEARS AGO, YOUR COUNTY SAW THE FIRST MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND THEY WERE KILLING CREEK AND COVENTRY.
AND THOSE DEVELOPMENTS, THOSE COMMUNITIES BECAUSE OF THEIR PRIME LOCATION AND THEIR EXTENSIVE AMENITIES IN THEIR OPEN SPACE, THEY PERFORMED EXCEPTIONALLY WELL.
EVEN DURING THE GREAT RECESSION, THOSE COMMUNITIES HELD THEIR VALUE TREMENDOUSLY WELL.
AND THEY'VE ALSO PROVIDED A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
SO PEOPLE CAN MOVE UP WITHIN THEIR OWN COMMUNITY.
THEY CAN START A TOWNHOUSE, MOVE A SMALLER SINGLE FAMILY, UH, AND KEEP THEIR CHILDREN IN THE SAME, IN THE SAME SCHOOL HISTORY.
THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE.
NOW, SINCE 2013, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVEN REZONINGS IN THE UPPER COUNTY.
THEY RANGE FROM A HIGH TO LMR SENIOR PROJECTS THAT ARE 20 UNITS TO THE ACRE.
UH, ARBOR DALE, I THINK IS AROUND SIX.
IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, EARL FIVE EIGHT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, THE OLD, THE TWO LEAST DENSE REZONINGS IN THE UPPER COUNTY HAD BEEN OURS.
UH, WHEN, UH, WHEN IT GOES MAIL WAS THREE UNITS TO THE ACRE, TRANQUILITY WAS 2.7.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING HIGH DENSITY PROJECTS.
UM, THE QUESTION REALLY IS THOUGH, SO WHERE DOES THE COUNTY GO FROM HERE? SO I'M GOING TO HAVE TO PUT MY GLASSES ON SO I CAN SEE THE MAP.
BUT AS YOU ALL KNOW, OVER 50% OF THE COUNTY IS OWNED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THE STATE GOVERNMENT CITY OF NEWPORT NEWS, THE CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG.
SO THAT PROVIDES SOME WONDERFUL ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.
IT PRESERVES THE YORK RIVER WATERFRONT FRAUD.
IT GIVES YOU THOUSANDS OF ACRES OF PROTECTION FOR THE RESERVOIR, TREMENDOUS THINGS, RIGHT? BUT IT ALSO COMES AT A PRICE.
IT COMES AT A PRICE BECAUSE THERE'S PRECIOUS LITTLE BIT LAND IN YOUR COUNTY FOR YOU TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.
IT'S NO SURPRISE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURES ARE IN THE UPPER COUNTY.
THAT'S WHERE THE PR THE LAND IS THEIRS.
IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE WE GOT TO THIS POINT.
SO YOU HAVE REALLY NOT A LOT TO DO TO A LOT OF AREAS.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THAT CURSOR.
SO WHERE ARE WE HERE? UM, YOU'VE GOT, YOU STILL HAVE THE EGGER PIECE, WHICH IS HERE 250 ACRES, BUT THAT'S A LONG WAY FROM UTILITIES.
UH, THIS, UH, WAS PEACE WAS GIVEN BY ANHEUSER-BUSCH TO THE CIVIL WAR TRUST.
ALL OF THIS IS FEDERAL PROPERTY.
YOU'VE GOT THE MARQUIS, THIS IS A TRANQUILITY PROJECT THAT, THAT WE, UH, GOT APPROVED.
YOU HERE'S, THIS WHITAKER'S MILL, BUT THEN YOU HAVE ALL THIS LAND THAT YOU DON'T, YOU CAN'T CONTROL.
YOU HAVE BASICALLY YOU HAVE THE, UH, THE W WHAT THE POTTERY HAS AND YOU HAVE THIS PROPERTY, AND THAT'S IT.
I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO BE OUT OF LAND.
SO HOW DO YOU USE THAT LAND WISELY? UH, WHEN WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO BUY THIS PROPERTY FROM THE POTTERY, WE REALIZED WE HAD A ONCE IN A LIFETIME OPPORTUNITY HERE TO DESIGN SOMETHING REALLY SPECIAL, THE FRONT DOOR OF THE COUNTY.
SO WE HAD THAT, WE HIRED, ONE OF THEM HAD A DESIGN COMPETITION, HIRED ONE OF THE TOP LAND PLANNING COMPANIES ON THE, UH, IN THE MID ATLANTIC.
AND WE PROPOSED A PLAN THAT WAS, THAT MET WITH, I COULDN'T BELIEVE WHAT IT MET WITH 2.2 UNITS TO THE ACRE, GOSH, NEW YORK CITY, PEOPLE WERE JUST LIVING EGREGIOUS, I THINK WAS THE WORD 2.2 UNITS TO THE ACRE IN NEW YORK CITY.
UM, OF COURSE WE WERE ALSO DEVELOPING THIS.
WE ALSO WERE HEARD THAT WE WERE DEVELOPING THIS PLAN IN SECRET UNDER THE COVER OF COVID.
EVEN THOUGH WE PRESENTED IT TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE COUNTRY WAS SHUT DOWN, WE TRIED VERY HARD TO HAVE MEETINGS WITH THE PUBLIC.
WE, IN FACT, FINALLY IN JULY, WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT.
IN THE MEANTIME, WE SET UP A WEBSITE, WE SENT OUT POSTCARDS.
WE INVITED PEOPLE TO COME AND HEAR FROM US.
WE HAD TWO MEETINGS FOLLOWING EACH OF THOSE, WE MADE VERY, VERY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THIS PLAN.
UH, THEY WEREN'T MADE LIGHTLY, THESE WERE VERY SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL TRADE OFFS THAT WE MADE.
AND SINCE SAYS, CHERYL MENTIONED IT'S A
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LITTLE IRONIC.NO GOOD DEED GOES ON PUNISHED.
WHEN WE DID ALL THOSE THINGS TO SATISFY THE NEIGHBORS.
NOW THE STAFF SETTLE, BUT YOU'RE NOT A COMPLIANCE WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO I'LL TALK ABOUT THE COMP PLAN IN A MINUTE, BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.
YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR A LOT OF THINGS TONIGHT.
YOU'RE GONNA HEAR A LOT OF THINGS THAT HOW BAD THIS PROJECT IS AND HOW THIS IS GOING TO CHANGE OUR COUNTY FOREVER.
YOU'VE GOT TO HEAR THAT THE TRAFFIC IS TERRIBLE.
I DROVE THE PERIMETER LAST WEEK.
THAT'S TYPICAL OF THEIR DRIVE.
SEE FOR YOURSELF, DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT.
YOU GOT TO HEAR THAT WHEN THERE'S AN INCIDENT ON THE INTERSTATE TRAFFIC BACKS UP ON FENTANYL ROAD.
HAVE YOU EVER BEEN IN KILLING CREEK WHEN THEY UNDERSTATES BACKED UP? YOU DON'T MAKE LAND USE DECISIONS BASED ON SOMETHING THAT MIGHT HAPPEN OCCASIONALLY, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION IS CAUSING IT IS GOING TO BE FINISHED BEFORE OUR FIRST EVEN BUILT.
YOU GOT TO HEAR IT'S ABOUT RURAL OPEN-SPACE AND RURAL CHARACTER.
YEAH, WE HAVE OVER 60% OF THE SITE IS OPEN SPACE, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A, A HUGE PARK AT THE BEGINNING, COMING OFF THE INTERSTATE THAT'S MODELED AFTER A CLASSIC VIRGINIA HORSE FARM AND THE BARLOW ROAD, THE 54 ACRES THAT EVERYONE'S CONCERNED ABOUT.
WE'RE GIVING TO THE COUNTY FOR RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE.
EXACTLY WHAT EVERYONE SAID THEY WANTED YET.
YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR IT'S ABOUT LOW DENSITY.
I DO HAVE TO DISRESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH EARL.
YOU CA YOU DON'T GIVE 54 ACRES TO THE COUNTY TO, TO PRESERVE IT AS OPEN SPACE AND THEN NOT GET CREDIT FOR AS OPEN SPACE.
SO IT'S A 1.6 UNITS TO BE ACRE, ADJACENT TO SKIM IN OH HILLS, WHICH IS 1.5 UNITS TO THE ACRE THAT'S INCOMPATIBLE.
I'M KIND OF SCRATCHING MY HEAD ON THAT ONE.
STILL A LOT OF TALK ABOUT LOT SIZES, BUT EVERYONE KNOWS PEOPLE DON'T WANT LARGE LOTS ANYMORE.
THEY WANT LOTS THAT ARE LARGE ENOUGH FOR THEIR KIDS TO PLAY, BUT THEY WANT COMMON OPEN SPACE.
LOOK AT SKIMMING, NO HILLS, AND THERE'LL BE HERE SCREAMING A LITTLE BIT LATER.
WHERE ARE WE GOT TO FIND IT? THERE IT IS.
HOW MUCH COMMON PRESERVED OPEN SPACE AND SKIMMING ON HILLS ZERO.
THAT'S THE NATURE OF A CONVENTIONAL OLD, CONVENTIONAL SUBDIVISION.
YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR IT'S ABOUT DESIGN STANDARDS, BUT THIS IS THE DESIGN STANDARDS WE HAVE IN FAR EXCEED ANYTHING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND IRONICALLY, THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DESIGN OUR PROJECT FOR US WON'T EVEN BE ABLE TO SEE IT.
SO IS IT REALLY ABOUT THE COMP PLAN? I MEAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT SEMANTICS ALL NIGHT LONG.
THAT'S WHAT THE LAWYERS GET PAID FOR, BUT THE SEMIOTICS SHOULD NOT BE WHAT'S DRIVING THE FUTURE OF THE COUNTY.
YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING AT YOUR FUTURE NEEDS RIGHT NOW.
I JUST HEARD ACTUALLY THE CHIEF ECONOMIST AT WELLS FARGO STATED 40% OF THE RISE OF NEW HOME PRICES.
SINCE 2008 IS DUE TO REGULATION.
NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH IS THIS HUGE ENTRY TO BARRIER.
THIS TORTURE IS REZONING PROCESS WHERE WE'VE EMPOWERED PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO SKIN IN THE GAME AND NO EXPERIENCE TO THINK THAT THEY'RE QUALIFIED NOW TO DESIGN OTHER PEOPLE'S PROJECTS FOR THEM.
HOW HAVE WE GOTTEN TO THIS POINT? WE HAVE A 1.6 MONTH SUPPLY OF HOUSING ON THE EXISTING HOMES ON AN EXCELLENT 1.6, ASK YOUR FRIENDS HOW MUCH WE TALK ABOUT WANTING TO KEEP MILLENNIALS IN THE COUNTY, ASK YOUR FRIENDS HOW MUCH LUCK THEIR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS ARE HAVING FINDING A HOUSE IN YOUR COUNTY.
I MEAN, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY, I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE OPPOSITION IS COMING FROM.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD THIS WE'VE INHERITED FOR 40 YEARS.
EVERY TIME THERE'S A REZONING.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE PEOPLE.
WELL, SOME OF THESE PEOPLE, SOME OF THESE PEOPLE COULD BE OUR KIDS, YOUR KIDS, MY KIDS, THEIR KIDS.
WE HAVE TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR HA FOR HOUSING IN THIS COUNTRY.
IF YOU WANT THE LOUDEST VOICES IN THE ROOM, THE CENTRAL LAND USE POLICY, YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST HANG IN, CLOSE, SIGN ON THE DOOR.
YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY IS NOT FULL JUST BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE HERE.
YOU HAVE VERY SCARCE LAND TO USE, USE IT WISELY.
AND WE'RE CERTAINLY HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MEYER? AND I'LL START WITH MR.
UH, MR. MARSH, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
FIRST OF ALL, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS THE COMP PLAN? WHAT IS THAT DOCUMENT? WHAT'S IT FOR THE COMP PLAN IS A GUIDE TO GUIDE YOU THE COMP PLAN.
FOR EXAMPLE, ON THIS PROPERTY, THE COMP PLAN HAS A MIXED USE OVERLAY.
NOW, WHY WOULD THAT BE? WOULD THAT BE BECAUSE THE COUNTY PAID TO BRING A 16
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INCH WATER LINE TO THIS COUNTY, TO THIS PROPERTY THAT THERE'S A MAJOR HRSD FORCE MAY IN THERE.THAT WAS, THAT WAS PUT THERE BECAUSE THIS PIECE AT THE INTERSTATE SIX LANE, INTERSTATE FOUR LANE ARTERIAL, THIS PIECE WAS DESIGNATED MIXED USE BECAUSE THEY, BECAUSE THE COUNTY REALIZED THE, THE POTENTIAL FOR MORE INTENSIVE DEVELOPMENT IT'S RIGHT OFF THE INTERSTATE.
SO TO SAY, YOU HAVE THAT, BUT THEN TO SAY THIS PRIME PIECE OF PROPERTY, THAT WHEN WE PROPOSED 800 OVER 800 UNITS, WE HAD AMPLE UTILITIES.
AT THAT POINT, WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO BRING WATER UNDER THE INTERSTATE, WHICH WE'LL STILL HAVE TO DO WITH THIS TO HELP LOOP THAT SYSTEM.
BUT THAT PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED WITH A MIXED USE PLAN, WHICH ANTICIPATES MORE INTENSIVE USE THAN ONE UNIT PER ACRE.
AND SO WE FELT WE WERE ENTIRELY WITHIN BOUNDS BY PROPOSING WHAT WE INITIALLY DID.
AND NOW WE'RE VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL, IDENTICAL DENSITY WITH OUR CLOSEST NAME.
AND SO WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE COMP PLAN.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S REDONE EVERY HOW MANY YEARS? SUPPOSEDLY EVERY FIVE.
WHEN YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH SEVERAL TIMES, WELL, SEVERAL THINGS, RIGHT.
YOU USED TO WORK FOR THE COUNTY, SO YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT.
UH, WOULD YOU AGREE THAT IT'S KIND OF A COMPACT WITH THE CITIZENS I'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH CITIZENS WAS INVOLVED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE COMPOUND? I WOULD SAY THIS, IF YOU ASK, IF YOU PUT OUT A QUESTIONNAIRE AND YOU SAID LET'S NEVER BUILD ANOTHER HOUSE IN YORK COUNTY, WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD BE THE RESPONSE? PROBABLY NOT.
PROBABLY NOT, BUT I'M A TALKER ABOUT IF I PUT OUT A QUESTION YET WE HAVE A COMPLIMENT, RIGHT? I, THE COMPLEX, IT COULD BE TOTALLY WRONG.
IT'S A PRODUCT OF ALL THE PLAYERS IN THE MUNICIPALITY.
AND THAT'S A PRODUCT OF THE CITIZENS.
THEY'VE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET INVOLVED ALONG THE WAY, WHETHER OR NOT THEY DO THAT.
ULTIMATELY, WE HAD SOMETHING CALLED AN APPROVED, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT LAYS OUT THE MOSAIC OF WHAT WE'D LIKE TO HAVE DONE IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE, UH, OF THE COUNTY TO INCLUDE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, RECREATION, RESIDENTIAL, AND SO FORTH.
SO MY QUESTION IS YOU, YOU HAVE A BUY RIGHT TO BUILD OVER 200 HOMES OUT THERE, WHAT'S DRIVING THE ADDITIONAL 300 OR SO HOMES.
THERE WAS A SEVERE HOUSING CRISIS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU READ THE WALL STREET JOURNAL THIS MORNING, FRONT PAGE, READ THE WALL STREET JOURNAL.
THERE IS A SEVERE HOUSING CRISIS IN THIS COUNTRY.
THE, WHAT WE'RE SEEING TONIGHT IS BEING PLAYED OUT ACROSS EVERY CITY AND EVERY COUNTY AND EVERY TOWN IN AMERICA.
PEOPLE TRY TO GET 20 TOWNHOUSES APPROVED IN FAIRFAX.
YOU KNOW, YOU GO THROUGH TWO YEARS, IT'S, IT IS AMAZING WHAT YOU HAVE THE BARRIERS OF ENTRY THAT WE HAVE ERECTED TO NEW HOUSING IN THIS COUNTRY.
SO THE IMPETUS IS THERE IS A SCREAMING NEED FOR HOUSING, AND WE HAVE 400, ALMOST 400 ACRES WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE NOR MORE THAN 600 HOUSES.
THAT IS NOT HIGH DENSITY DEFINITION BY HIGH DENSITY, HIGH DENSITY, HOUSING BY ANYONE'S DEFINITION.
SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE CON, THERE ARE MANY THINGS AT THE TOP PLAN, WHICH IS WHEREVER THERE IS A, THERE'S A THING THAT WE WANT.
WE WANT PRESERVATION OF OPEN SPACE.
WE WANT HOUSING FOR MILLENNIALS.
WE WANT HOUSING FOR MOVE DOWN BUYERS.
THAT'S ALL IN THE COMP PLAN, TOO MANY THINGS IN THE COMP PLAN.
AND AS EARL SAID, I THINK THEY'RE ALL RURAL, DID A VERY GOOD JOB BECAUSE HE EXPLAINED THAT YOU HAVE MANY DIFFERENT, UH, OBJECTIVES IN THE COMP PLAN AND NOT ALL WILL ALWAYS BE CONSISTENT WITH ONE OF THE OTHER.
SO YOU TRY TO DO A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY.
YOU TRY TO PROVIDE A RANGE OF HOUSING UNITS.
YOU TRY TO BUILD ENOUGH UNITS THAT YOU CAN AFFORD TO BUILD A PUMP STATION, TO SERVE A SCHOOL SITE THAT YOU CAN AFFORD TO BRING WATER UNDER THE INTERSTATE, TO SERVE THE SCHOOL SITE THAT YOU CAN AFFORD TO GIVE 54 ACRES TO THE COUNTY FOR RECREATION, YOU CAN AFFORD TO HOOK IN AND GIVE SKIMMING NO HILLS, BETTER WATER PRESSURE THAN THEY HAVE TODAY.
THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT YOU, THOSE ARE THE REASONS IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GREED.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT MUCH MORE MONEY ON THIS PLAN THAT WE WILL BUY.
AND IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE TWICE AS LONG TO BUILD IT'S THE RIGHT THING FOR THE COUNTY.
SO IT SAYS THE DEVELOPER, OF COURSE, WHO DO WE ALL WORK FOR? ULTIMATELY, WE WORK FOR OUR PARTY.
YOU WORK, OH, YOU WORKED FOR YOUR INVESTORS.
WHERE YOU WORKED FOR THE, OF YOUR COUNTY OR CITY COUNCIL, WHATEVER CITY WE HAVE TO BE ELECTED FOR.
AND WE WORKED BECAUSE WE WANT TO PROVIDE THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITIZENS OF WHATEVER COUNTY OR CITY WE LIVE IN, RIGHT? WITH
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RESPECT TO THE COMP PLAN EVERY FIVE YEARS, AS YOU'VE POINTED OUT, IT GOES THROUGH WHAT I WOULD HOPE IS A VIGOROUS REVIEW.AND IT'S MODIFIED, IN FACT, AS A DEVELOPER, YOU OR YOUR PARTNER HAD BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE ONGOING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT CHANGE THE EXISTING COMP PLAN.
SO WHY THE RUSH TO TRY TO CHANGE WHAT'S IN THE COMP PLAN THAT AT LEAST THEORETICALLY, THEORETICALLY HAS BEEN APPROVED AND ACCEPTED AND UNDERSTOOD BY THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY.
UM, MAYBE LET, LET ME REPEAT MYSELF.
THIS PROPERTY HAS A MIXED JUICE OVERLAY ON IT.
SUGGESTIVE, THAT IT IS INTENDED FOR MORE INTENSIVE DEVELOPMENT.
NOW, IF YOU DID A MIX, LET'S TALK IF HE'S DONE A MIXED USE OVERLAY ON THAT.
IF LET'S SAY YOU DID, IF YOU DID A MAJOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, YOU COULD HAVE 300,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL AND 3000 HOUNDED HOUSING UNITS.
AND THAT MR. HIS RAMBLE WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WOULD YOU WANT THAT? OF COURSE NOT.
DO THE NEIGHBORS WANT THAT? OF COURSE NOT.
ALL I'M SUGGESTING IS YOU HAVE A LIMITED RESOURCE, BE CAREFUL HOW YOU USE IT, BECAUSE IF YOU LET PEOPLE SAY, KEEP IT NO MORE HOUSES, KEEP IT OPEN.
BUT WHEN YOUR CHILDREN, WHEN YOUR GRANDCHILDREN ARE, WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO NEED A PLACE TO LIVE, THEY WON'T BE IN NEW YORK COUNTY.
WELL, I, I, WELL, YOU AND YOUR PARTNER AND YOUR, UH, YOUR TEAM, UH, FOR, UH, THE ATTEMPTED COORDINATION WITH THE FOLKS WHO LIVE UP IN THE ELBERT COUNTY.
AND YOU'VE BEEN TOGETHER A NUMBER OF TIMES AS YOU DESCRIBED.
YOU REACHED THE POINT, UH, I GUESS WHAT MR. ANDERSON CALLED THE MASTER PLAN, SOMETHING BETWEEN THE 900 UNITS, THE 200 UNITS, THE MIDPOINT.
WHY HAS THE COORDINATION THAT FIGHT TO KIND OF MOVE THAT MIDPOINT TO SOMETHING SATISFACTORY BREAKDOWN? WELL, IT IS, YEAH, IT DID BECAUSE I MEAN, LOOK, I'LL TELL YOU WHERE WE WERE ORIGINALLY.
UM, WE MET, WE SPOKE WITH SOME OF THE OPPOSITION, KEY OPPOSITION PEOPLE.
AND BASICALLY WE WERE TOLD, WE WERE TOLD THAT THE REAL LIGHTNING ROD WAS ALL THE DEVELOPMENT ON BARLOW ROAD, THE SCHOOL ON THAT 54 ACRES, THE HOUSING ALONG THE CONNECTION TO BARLOW ROAD, THE, THE, UH, THERE WAS, DID NOT LIKE THE SENIOR HOUSING NEXT TO SKIMMING HILLS.
WE WENT BACK TO THE SELF-STYLED LEADERSHIP AND ASK THEM FOR INPUT.
AND WE GOT A, LIKE AN EIGHT PAGE SINGLE SPACE, ALMOST FARCICAL LIST OF DESIGN WISHLIST THAT WE WANT YOU TO PUT IN.
AND WE LOOKED AT IT, WE EVEN TRIED TO DO WHAT WE COULD DO.
WE MET WITH THEM AND, UH, AND THEY CAME BACK WITH A SOMEWHAT SKINNY DOWN FIVE OR SIX PAGE LIST OF RIDICULOUS REQUIREMENTS AND SAID, OH, BY THE WAY, CUT ANOTHER 150 UNITS.
IT BECAME VERY OBVIOUS TO US AT THAT POINT THAT WE WERE, IT WAS NOT A PRODUCTIVE ENTERPRISE.
YOU CANNOT NEGOTIATE WITH YOURSELF.
WE PROVIDED THIS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
HOW ABOUT THIS? NOT GOOD ENOUGH? NO, WE CAN'T.
WELL, BUT THE ORIGINAL, THE ORIGINAL BUYER, RIGHT.
STILL PROVIDED THE PROFIT FOR THE DEVELOPER.
AND WE ARE PREPARED TO DO THAT.
SO THERE WERE SEVERAL HUNDRED, SEVERAL HUNDRED UNITS ABOVE THAT WE CAN DO 282 BUY, RIGHT? THERE'S SOME BONUS PROVISIONS, 280 TO 200.
HEIDI AND YOUR MASTER PLAN IS NOT NUMBERS WITH THE MASTER.
AND THE DIFFERENCE, THE DIFFERENCE IS BY DOING THIS PLAN, WE CAN PROVIDE, WE DO HAVE SOME TOWNHOMES.
WE HAVE 104 TOWNHOMES THAT ARE MORE ENTRY-LEVEL LEVEL, TWO DIFFERENT TYPES.
WE HAVE SOME SMALLER SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE MORE AFFORDABLE FOR FIRST-TIME BUYERS.
WE HAVE TAKEN THE PROPERTY NEXT TO
WE MADE THAT LOOK EXACTLY LIKE JUST THE EXTENSION OF THAT.
SO WE AGAIN HAVE DONE ALL THE THINGS WE'VE PAID GREAT ATTENTION TO WHAT THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE FROM THE PERIPHERY.
WHAT'S IT GOING TO LOOK LIKE WHEN YOU'D GET OFF? WHEN YOU GET OFF, UH, LIGHTFOOT ROAD OR NEWMAN ROAD, IT'S A FIRST PIECE OF PROPERTY.
YOU SEE IT WAS KEY TO US, BUT IF WE CAN'T, IF WE CAN'T DO THAT IN DEVELOPMENT, IF WE HAVE TO DO WITH THE BUY RIGHT, THEN I CAN'T, WE CAN'T GIVE UP THAT SIX ACRES OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
WE HAVE TO REALIZE IN VALUE FOR IT.
DOES IT COME A POINT WHEN YOU JUST LAID DOWN THE GOVERNMENT SAYING, THIS, IS IT, TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT? THAT'S THE MAP MR. ANDERSON SHOWED US TONIGHT.
WE DID WHAT WE COULD, WE DID WHAT WE COULD REASONABLY DO, WHICH HAS THAT MAP, WHICH IS THAT MAP.
UM, YOU, YOU, YOU KEEP CLASSIFYING THIS OR CHARACTERIZE THIS AS NOT HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT
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AND DEPENDING ON HOW YOU WORK THE MATH THAT'S CORRECT.BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAP AND YOU SEE THE NUMBER OF HOMES ON THE PROPERTY, YOU SEE HOW CLOSELY THEY'RE PACKED TOGETHER AND HAVE, AND SMALL LOTS.
I MEAN, TO ME, THAT IS HIGH DENSITY ACROSS THE ENTIRE, UH, PROPERTY.
IT MAY NOT BE, BUT COMPARED TO THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES, IT'S A STARK CONTRAST.
AND AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF ACTUAL HOMES ON, ON AN ACRE, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A BIG, IT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE.
SO I STRUGGLE WITH THE, WITH THE COMMENTS ABOUT HOW THIS ISN'T HIGH DENSITY COMPARED TO NUMBER OF HOMES PER ACRE IN THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THE LOT SIZE, I THINK IS IMPORTANT.
I THINK THAT'S REALLY A DRIVING FACTOR HERE.
UM, YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT, UM, WE HAVE TO PREPARE FOR THE FUTURE.
UM, WE HAVE TO BE SMARTER ABOUT THAT.
UM, I'M NOT INSENSITIVE TO THE CONCERNS ABOUT HOUSING.
CAUSE I HAVE A 25 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER WHO WAS ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR HOUSING HERSELF.
I HAVE A 21 YEAR OLD SON WHO WILL SOON BE LOOKING AT RISING THEMSELVES TOO.
WE WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO BUY INTO THE COUNTY I'M I'M, I'M ENCOURAGING THE BOAT TO NOT RENT, TO INVEST THEIR MONEY INTO SOME TYPE OF REAL ESTATE.
WHETHER IT BE CONDO TOWN HAS WORKED THEIR WAY UP TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND SO FORTH.
UM, SO I I'M, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M SENSITIVE TO THAT AS WELL, BUT I THINK THE FLIP SIDE TOO, WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT IS LOOKING TO THE FUTURE.
HOW MUCH DO WE WANT TO CHANGE THE CHARACTERISTIC OF A GIVEN PIECE OF PROPERTY TO ITS SURROUNDING AND HAVING LIKE THAT PERMANENTLY AND THEN NOT IN LOSE THAT CHARACTERISTIC IN THE FUTURE? SO THERE'S, I THINK TO ME THERE'S TWO SIDES OF THAT COIN THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER.
UM, AND I THINK THAT IF WE TRY TO BANK OUR FUTURE ON AS MANY HOMES WE CAN GET IN A, IN A GIVEN PIECE OF PROPERTY, I THINK THAT THAT THAT'S A BIT SHORT-SIGHTED BECAUSE ONCE YOU, ONCE YOU BUILD HOMES THAT THAT'S, IT THERE'S NO, THERE'S, THERE'S NO MORE, THERE'S NO MORE BUILDING.
AND, AND, AND WE, AND OUR, AND OUR FUTURE HAS TO BE BASED UPON MORE THAN JUST THE NUMBER OF HOMES WE CAN PUT IN THERE IN THE COUNTY.
UM, AND THAT'S WHERE WE GOT TO WORK WITH OUR COUNTY STAFF AND, AND OUR PLANNING COMMISSION AND SO FORTH TO FIGURE OUT, WELL, HOW, HOW, HOW DO WE MAKE THE KIND OF CONTINUE TO GROW AND BE VITAL, UM, WITHOUT X NUMBER OF HOMES PER ACRE, X NUMBER OF HOMES, PER DEVELOPMENT, X NUMBER OF HOMES IN THE, IN THE COUNTY.
SO TWO SIDES OF THAT COIN, I PLAN PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE.
UM, UM, THE, UM, TWO 82 BUY, RIGHT, AND FIVE 99 FOR THE PLAN PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE TWO 82 BY RIGHT, IS, IS THE, AND NOW MAYBE GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF EVEN AHEAD OF YOUR PLANNING, BUT IS THAT TWO 82 BUY BY, RIGHT.
STILL GOING TO BE CLUSTERED AS, AS WE SPOKE EARLIER, OR HAVE YOU GOTTEN THAT FAR? ABSOLUTELY.
YOU WOULDN'T, YOU WOULDN'T CONSIDER TRYING TO SPREAD THOSE HOMES OUT INTO LARGER LIES TO MATCH THEM BECAUSE THE MARKET, THAT'S NOT WHERE THE MARKET IS.
UH, THE REASON THAT THIS LOOKS DIFFERENT THAN OTHERS IS BECAUSE THE HOUSING, UH, HOUSING PREFERENCES HAVE CHANGED.
A LOT OF THINGS HAVE CHANGED IN THE HOUSING MARKET IN THE LAST 30, 40 YEARS.
YOU COULD, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE BUILT ACRE LOTS OUT THERE WITH 150 FEET OF FRONT, YOU COULDN'T AFFORD TO BUY THEM.
YOU HAD VERY FEW PEOPLE COULD EVEN AFFORD TO BUY THEM BECAUSE THE COST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WERE OVER, UH, OVER A THOUSAND DOLLARS RUNNING FOOT NOW FOR ROADBLOCK, EXCUSE ME, ROWAN WATER, SEWER, AND STORM.
SO IT JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST DO THE MATH.
IT'S JUST YOU PRICE YOUR PEOPLE RIGHT OUT OF THE MARKET.
IS THERE A TRADE OFF BETWEEN LOTS AND DENSITY? YES.
UH, BUT THE TRADE-OFF IS BETWEEN COMMON OPEN SPACE, PROTECTED, OPEN SPACE AND NO OPEN SPACE.
YOU TALK ABOUT SKIMMING, NO HILLS, HALF-ACRE LOTS, NO COMMON OPEN SPACE.
PEOPLE GO IN THERE AND THEY COULD CLEAR EVERY LOT FROM PROPERTY PIN TO PROPERTY PIN.
AND THERE'S NOT ONE THING ANYBODY CAN DO ABOUT IT HERE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OVER 60% OF THE PROPERTY WILL BE PRESERVED AS COMMON OPEN SPACE.
NOW, IF IT'S DONE AS DEVELOPED, IF WE DO IT BY RIGHT, THERE'LL BE EVEN MORE.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT LAND TO COME BACK TO AND BE ABLE TO PUT OTHER THINGS ON IT BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT.
SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, IT IS 1.6 HOUSES TO THE ACRE BRANDYWINE WHERE YOU LIVE AND WHERE I USED TO LIVE.
THE DIFFERENCE IS, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE, YOUR LOTS ARE A HUNDRED BY 150, BUT THERE'S NO COMMON OPEN SPACE.
THERE'S NOT EVEN A PARK FOR THE KIDS TO PLAY.
I MEAN, I KNOW I LIVED THERE FOR YEARS, RIGHT.
AND I THINK THAT THERE, THAT IS A PREFERENCE FOR SOME FOLKS, UM, BECAUSE I HAVE RECEIVED A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF FEEDBACK.
AND THEN I THINK THE, UM, AND I'M GOING TO RECEIVE MORE FEEDBACK THIS EVENING, THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO, WHO ARE OKAY WITH THEIR OWN PROPERTY AND NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE OF
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GREEN SPACE.I THINK THERE, I THINK THERE'S ROOM FOR, FOR BOTH.
I DON'T THINK EVERYBODY'S LOOKING TO BUY A NEW PROPERTY TODAY, ONCE A PARK, A COMMON AREA, GREEN SPACE, SOME FOLKS WANT THEIR PROPERTY ON THEIR LOT AND THE CONTAINER, THE OPEN THEY'LL THEY'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT AND LET THEIR NEIGHBORS DO THE SAME.
I THINK BRANDYWINE IS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT.
I THINK EVERYBODY LIVES IN THE ABDOMEN AND MY FAMILY, WE MOVED IN THERE.
WE WEREN'T LOOKING FOR PARKING AND SO FORTH.
SO I THINK THERE, I THINK THERE'S ROOM FOR, FOR BOTH.
LAST THING YOU GOT 30 SECONDS TO GIVE ME THREE REASONS WHY I SHOULD VOTE.
NUMBER ONE, YOU NEED HOUSING FOR YOUNG PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY.
NUMBER TWO, JUST GIVES YOU A CHANCE TO DO IT IN A MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY WITH, WITH A LOT OF AMENITIES AND WITH VERY STRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES AND NUMBER THREE, IT GIVES YOU A CHANCE TO ATTACK THE FRONT DOOR TO THIS COUNTY FOREVER.
AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THE FIRST NAME I HAVE IS DELILAH JOHNSON.
MS. JOHNSON, IF YOU COULD COME FORWARD, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD THAT HE GOT JOHNSON, TWO 16 ASHTON DRIVE, GOOD EVENING.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF FELLOW, YOUR COUNTY RESIDENTS TODAY.
THIS BOARD IS BEING ASKED TO APPROVE A NEW DEVELOPMENT IN MY DISTRICT AND IN PAPER, THAT LOOKS LIKE A GREAT IDEA, A GREAT SOURCE OF REVENUE AND POSSIBLE GOOD USE OF LAND.
HOWEVER, THAT CAN NOT BE FARTHER FROM THE TRUTH.
MANY OF THE RESIDENTS WHO WILL BE AFFECTED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BE SPEAKING, HAVE RIGHT, AND HAVE WRITTEN LETTERS TO THIS BOARD.
EVOLENT ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF THIS SITE WILL HAVE I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE IMPACT.
THEY WILL HAVE A, MY STUDENTS, YOUR MOST VULNERABLE RESIDENTS IN OUR SCHOOL BUDGET.
I SPEAK AS A RESIDENT OF THE FIRST DISTRICT.
AND AS AN EDUCATOR, I SUBMIT A MEMORANDUM FOR MY RESPECT TO COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
THEY AVERAGE SINGLE FAMILY HAS POINT 54 STUDENTS WHILE AT TOWNHOUSE POINT 37.
CURRENTLY THEY ARE 2,250 FUTURE HOUSE AND UNITS IN RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR UNDERGOING.
SO DIVISION OR SITE PLAN REVIEW, OR HAVE BEEN APPROVED TO RESIGNING THAT EQUALS 2,250 UNITS, TIMESTAMP STAFF, 57 POINT 57.
THAT'S 1,282 NEW STUDENTS, NO COUNTING DOES DEVELOPMENT.
THIS STUDENTS HAVE TO BE FULLY ACCOMMODATED OR COUNTED IN OUR ROLES BECAUSE OF CURRENT SITUATION.
AND BECAUSE MOST LIKELY THOSE PROJECTS ARE STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
SO THE STUDENTS ARE COMING FENTANYL MILL WOLVES, SPRAWLING 495 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE IN 104 TOWNHOMES ASKED FOR THE SAME MEMORANDUM WILL YIELD 198 MORE NEW STUDENTS TO ALL MALE, ONE 92 QUEENS LAKE TWO 41 TO BURDEN THIS MEMBER ON THE STATES THAT OUR SCHOOL AND THE UPPER COUNTY HAVE INSTRUCTIONAL CAPACITY FOR 54 WALLOW MEALS, SIX 81 TO QUEENSLAND AND 10 39 TO BRISBANE.
OUR CLASSROOM SITE IS AT CAPACITY 29.
STUDENTS I ALREADY HAVE IN MANY OF OUR CLASSES, FENTON MILLIE'S WAS SERVING A LAW FOR A NEW SCHOOL, BUT WHO WILL PAY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION? WHEN WILL IT HAPPEN? I'M SURE IT WILL NOT BE BEFORE MANY OF THE CHILDREN IN THIS DEVELOPMENT NEED EDUCATION AND HAVE TO BE ENROLLED IN DARK CURRENT SCHOOLS.
THE CURRENT CURRENT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR THE SCHOOLS IN QUESTION HAVE BEEN MOVED MANY TIMES TO CIP CALLS FOR A NEW ELEMENTARY AT A COST OF $11.8 MILLION.
WHAT'S ADDRESSING PREVIOUS NEEDS.
WILL THAT BE? NOPE, WE'LL DO THIS FOR BS TO MOVE MONEY FROM OTHER PROJECTS TO COVER LARGER SPANSION QUEENSLAND HAS BEEN PATIENTLY WAITING FOR TWO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, PLANTS, A PARKING LOT AT EIGHT CLASSROOMS. AGAIN, THIS BUDGETS FOR THIS PROJECTS HAVE BEEN SHIFTED AND THE BUDGET ADJUSTED.
THIS IS PROJECT MEANS NEW ACCOMMODATION AND PROPERTIES AND PROPER SCHOOLS TO GO TO.
THAT MEANS NEW TEACHERS, BUT STRIVER FACILITATORS, AND YES, SUBS FENTANYLS MEALS WILL ONLY START TO ACCESSORIZE BAIT OUR CURRENT SITUATION, THEREFORE FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT MEN HAD RISKS.
AND THIS WILL BE LISTING AFTER AND HAVE WROTE TO YOU BEFORE I WILL HUMBLY REQUEST THAT YOU DENY FINDEL MALE'S PETITION.
THANK YOU, MS. JOHNSON, WILL MAKER SHOEMAKER, STATE STATE YOUR NAME AND THE ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? YES, UH, IS MY, UM, PRESENTATION UP.
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SEE MY PRESENTATION.UM, IF YOU GIVE ME JUST A MOMENT, I APOLOGIZE.
RIGHT HERE, RIGHT THERE, RIGHT THERE.
UM, MY NAME IS WILLIAM SCHUMACHER.
I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH WOODS ROGERS.
I REPRESENT A GROUP OF CONCERNED CITIZENS, COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS PRESERVE HINT MILL.
I'M AN ATTORNEY LAND USE ATTORNEY WITH OVER 30 YEARS OF LAND USE EXPERIENCE.
I REPRESENT A NUMBER OF DEVELOPERS.
THEY HIRED ME NOT TO OPPOSE IT, BUT TO GIVE THEM ADVICE AS TO WHETHER THIS WAS A QUALITY PROJECT, HOW IT COULD BE IMPROVED.
THEY ALSO HIRED JANE PETERSON WHO HAD 30 YEARS OF PLANNING EXPERIENCE WITH CHESTERFIELD TO GIVE ADVICE ON SPECIFIC CONDITIONS, UH, THAT WOULD MAKE THIS A QUALITY PROJECT AND A TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
SO I WOULD BRIEFLY NOTE THAT FIRST OF ALL, AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY VOTED, AND THE STAFF HAS SAID, THIS CASE VIOLATES YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT SHOULD BE DENIED THE COMP PLAN NOTES THAT A, THERE SHOULD BE A DENSITY OF ONE UNIT PER ACRE NOTES, THE SEVERE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES ON THE PROPERTY AND ALL THE SUBSTANDARD SUBSTANDARD ROADS IN THE AREA.
UM, NOW AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THEY SAID THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION, WE WANTED TO HAVE A DIALOGUE BECAUSE WE HAD PUT A PROPOSAL.
AND THE, THE CONDITIONS WE HAD SUGGESTED WERE IN CASES THAT I HAVE PUT IN FOR DEVELOPERS FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'VE SAID IN THEIR ECONOMIC ANALYSIS, THESE WERE GOING TO BE 250 TO $350,000 VALUE TOWNHOMES AND THREE TO $600,000 HOMES.
THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO.
I REACHED OUT AND TALKED TO THEM TO, TO, TO MR. SHIELD TO SAY, PLEASE LET'S HAVE A DIALOGUE.
LET'S CONTINUE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION TO SEE IF WE CAN REACH COMMON GROUND, NOTHING.
UM, ONE THING I'D NOTICED, THIS IS THEIR OWN TRAFFIC ANALYSIS.
AND THIS IS THE LEFT TURN OFF 64 ONTO ONE 99.
AND THEY SAY AT FULL BUILD OUT UNDER THEIR OWN ANALYSIS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING 12 MINUTES TO TAKE A LEFT TURN ON THAT THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED.
THEY'VE PUT THAT SAYS AFTER WE WERE ABLE TO BUILD 455 UNITS, MAYBE WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
THAT'S A DISASTER WAITING TO HAPPEN THAT ALLOWS THEM TO PUT 455 HOMES AND THEN WAIT FOR THE COUNTY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
OR IF B DOT SAYS, NO, WE WANT TO TRAFFIC CIRCLE.
INSTEAD, THEY CAN THEN BLOW UP TO ALMOST 600 UNITS.
UH, THEY'D FAILED TO ADDRESS IT.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SAID.
IF YOU ADDRESS IT EARLIER IN YOUR DEVELOPMENT, THEN WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSIONS OF HOW WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO ENSURE THAT THIS IS A QUALITY DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD SOMEHOW JUSTIFY GOING BEYOND, UM, WHAT THE COMP PLAN CALLS FOR.
UM, I WOULD SIMPLY NOTE, AND AS I LAID OUT IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR DOCUMENT, IT SAYS A LOT OF THINGS, BUT IF YOU DRILL DOWN, IT'S A LOSERY, THERE ARE NO ENFORCEABLE STANDARDS.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THEY PUT, ALTHOUGH THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING TO DO THINGS, YOU COULD HAVE CHEAP VINYL, HOUSING.
I MEAN, SIDING FROM THE ROOF DOWN TO A SLAB CONSTRUCTION, WITH NO VENEER OF BRICK OR STONE, YOU COULD HAVE PROTRUDING PANEL GARAGES WITH NO ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN.
UM, THAT'S WHAT YOU COULD GET.
AND THAT'S THE THING THAT WE WERE ASKING THAT THEY ADDRESS.
I MEAN, WHAT'S THE MINIMUM THICKNESS OF VINYL YOU'RE GOING TO USE STANDARD.
THEY WOULDN'T EVEN TELL YOU HOW THICK IT COULD BE, OR THEY WOULDN'T EVEN OFFER WHETHER YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 30 YEAR WARRANTY SHINGLES ON THE ROOFS.
UM, THERE WERE JUST SO MANY OF THESE ARCHITECTURAL DEVELOPMENTS AND STANDARDS THAT WE SAID, IF YOU ADDRESS THAT, WE CAN DISCUSS IT AND INCREASE THE DENSITY.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOUR TIME IS UP, IF YOU COULD JUST WRAP IT UP, YOU HAVE 10 SECONDS WRAP IT UP, I'LL WRAP IT UP.
SO BASED ON THAT, WHAT WE WOULD SAY IS THIS CASE IS SIMPLY NOT READY.
UH, THERE WERE THINGS THAT COULD HAVE DONE, BUT, UH, THAT THEY DIDN'T DO.
BUT AS I WOULD NOTE THAT MR. LAMONT SAID RIGHT HERE, WHY THEY CAN'T DO IT AS THEY WANT TO START OUR HOUSE.
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I'M DANA DE JAGER.I LIVE AT ONE OH EIGHT HORSESHOE DRIVE AND I'M AGAINST THIS REZONING APPLICATION.
I'M AGAINST THE REZONING APPLICATION, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO SAY, I LOOKED AT THE DESIGN AND I REALLY LIKE IT.
I HAVE TO SAY I REALLY LIKE IT BECAUSE I LIVED MANY YEARS IN A TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT, HIGH DENSITY UP IN SPRINGFIELD AT ONE OF THE BUSIEST INTERSECTIONS IN THE COUNTRY.
AND I LIVED THERE IN MY LATE TEENS, THROUGH MY YOUNG ADULTHOOD, WITH YOUNG KIDS.
AND I USED TO GET OFF THE BUS.
I PUT MY STUFF DOWN AND WALKED DOWN THE STREET, PAST THE DAYCARE CENTER, PAST THE BAGEL PLACE, ALONG THE NAIL POLISH PLACE.
I'D WAVE TO MY NEIGHBORS THAT WERE GETTING THEIR HAIR DONE.
AND I GO TO THE GROCERY STORE AND GET GROCERIES FOR MY MOM BECAUSE OF COURSE SHE WAS WORKING.
ALTHOUGH MOST OF THE TIME MY DAD WAS AT SEA, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
SO I GET GROCERIES FOR MY MOM AND I'D WALK BACK.
AND IF I HAD SOME EXTRA MONEY, I'D BUY A BAGEL.
ONE OF THOSE, EVERYTHING BAGELS FOR MY MOM, BECAUSE SHE REALLY LIKES THOSE ONES.
AND THEN I WALK HOME AND GET DINNER READY.
AND THAT WAS THE LIFE IN A TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT.
NOW YOU LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT AND I LIKED IT.
IT HAS LIKE WINDING STREETS, SIDEWALKS AND TREES.
AND I WAS LIKE, HEY, THIS IS GREAT.
BUT WHERE DO THOSE SIDEWALKS GO? THEY END AT A FOUR-LANE HIGHWAY WITH NO PLACE TO GO.
THEY END ON A ROAD THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN WALK ON AND YOU CAN'T EVEN BIKE ON.
THAT'S NOT NEAR A SINGLE STORE DAYCARE OR ANYTHING.
SO ALL THOSE TEENAGERS AND I SAW THE NUMBERS IS OVER A THOUSAND.
YOU THINK THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE CARS.
AND IF YOU HAVE A THIRD CAR, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PARK IT? SO THEN HOW ABOUT THE PARENTS? THEY GET, THEY'RE BOTH WORKING.
THEY'RE GOING TO GET HOME FROM WORK.
YOU THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO THE STORE.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO STOP AT A STORE ON THE WAY.
AND THEN HOW ABOUT, UM, JUST THE QUALITY OF LIFE.
THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY FOR SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT.
SO WHERE DO ALL THOSE FOLKS GO? THEY GET IN THEIR CAR AND THEY GO DOWN ONE 99, AND THEY'RE GOING TO GET OFF AT ROUTE 60.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO DO THEIR SHOPPING IN JAMES CITY COUNTY BECAUSE THAT'S THE CLOSEST HAIRDRESSER AND THE CLOSEST NAIL SALON AND GROCERY STORE.
SO THIS, UM, THIS DEVELOPMENT, NICE DEVELOPMENT, IT MISSES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A CO UH, LOCATED BUSINESS DISTRICT.
THINK ABOUT, UH, PORT WARWICK.
THOSE ARE WELL CITED, HIGH DENSITY, URBAN AREAS.
THAT'S WHERE THIS DEVELOPMENT BELONGS, NOT IN AN URBAN DISTRICT WITH A DEAD END ROAD AND DEAD END SIDEWALKS.
DARCY DARCY, TUCKER, MS. TUCKER, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I'M DARCY TUCKER TWO 18 SKIMMING HOE ROAD.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THE TENT AND FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT.
UM, I'M ON THE PRESERVED MALE LEADERSHIP TEAM AND ON THE BOARD OF THE CONSERVE YORK COUNTY FOUNDATION, UPPER YORK'S RURAL LAND HAS VALUE.
IT PROVIDES NATURAL HABITAT AND MENTAL HEALTH BENEFITS.
IT PROTECTS THE CHESAPEAKE BAY, THE HISTORIC TRIANGLE OF WHICH UPPER YORK IS A PART IS IT HAS A UNIQUE NATIONAL SIGNIFICANCE THAT TOGETHER WITH THIS NATURAL BEAUTY DRAWS, TOURISTS HERE CREATING JOBS IN LIGHT OF THESE FACTS FOR DECADES, THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLANS HAVE DEEMED UPPER YORK BEST SUITED TO RURAL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
MANY OF US MADE THE LARGEST INVESTMENTS OF OUR LIVES WHEN WE BOUGHT HOMES HERE AND WE CHOSE THIS AREA BECAUSE OF ITS RURAL NATURE.
FOR YEARS, WE'VE GONE ABOUT OUR BUSY LIVES.
TRUSTING THAT COUNTY OFFICIALS WERE WATCHING OUT FOR OUR BEST INTERESTS.
WE'VE MOURNED THE LOSS OF RURAL LAND, BUT SOMEHOW WE DIDN'T SEE CAUSE AND EFFECT.
IN APRIL OF LAST YEAR, A NEIGHBOR DISCOVERED THE FENTON MILL LIVING APPLICATION BEING QUIETLY PROPOSED UNDER COVER OF COVID.
WITH THAT DISCOVERY, WE SUDDENLY AWOKE TO THE FACT THAT THE RAMPANT DEVELOPMENT IN OUR AREA HAD A CAUSE OUR RURAL LAND HAS BEEN SYSTEMATICALLY PURCHASED WITH THE INTENTION TO REZONE BY DEVELOPERS WHO HAVE THEIR POCKETS AND NOT OUR BEST INTERESTS IN MIND.
THEY'RE QUICKLY TURNING THIS NATIONAL TREASURE OF AN AREA INTO ANY TOWN USA.
THE FENTON MILL AREA IS DIVERSE IN INCOME, RACE, AND POLITICAL PERSUASION.
BUT LAST SPRING, SOMETHING REMARKABLE HAPPENED DESPITE A PANDEMIC AND A CONTENTIOUS ELECTION NEIGHBORS WHO HAD NEVER SPOKEN BEFORE
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BEGAN SHARING THEIR CONCERNS.FRIENDSHIPS WERE BORN THROUGH A COMMON CAUSE RESIDENTS OF ALL STRIPES JOINED TOGETHER TO OPPOSE THIS REZONING AND TO DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY FROM OUR COUNTY LEADERS.
THE PROPOSAL AWAKENED A GIANT VOLUNTEERS HAVE SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS RESEARCHING AND RAISING AWARENESS.
HUNDREDS OF NEIGHBORS HAVE SIGNED PETITIONS AGAINST THE REZONING AND PUT UP YARD SIGNS AND BUMPER STICKERS.
THOUSANDS HAVE VISITED OUR WEBSITE.
WE HAVE ALMOST 1600 FACEBOOK FOLLOWERS.
INDIVIDUALS HAVE DONATED THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO HELP OUR EFFORTS.
AND THE CONSERVE YORK COUNTY FOUNDATION WAS FORMED TO DEFEND OUR AREAS.
WE INTEND TO HOLD OUR COUNTY OFFICIALS ACCOUNTABLE FOR ADHERENCE TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE DO NOT OPPOSE ALL DEVELOPMENT.
WE SUPPORT GROWTH THAT IS GUIDED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND TAKES INTO ACCOUNT ENVIRONMENTAL TRAFFIC, FINANCIAL AND CITIZEN CONCERNS.
THIS PROPOSAL DOES NOT MEET THOSE CRITERIA.
THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS REVISED DOWN TO 599 HOMES, BUT THAT'S STILL MORE THAN TWICE.
THE NUMBER ALLOWED BY RIGHT? THE PROPOSAL REMAINS UNACCEPTABLE TO THE VAST MAJORITY IN OUR COMMUNITY AND TO APPROVE IT WOULD BE A BETRAYAL OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS.
DEVELOPERS' INTERESTS MUST NO LONGER OUTWEIGH CITIZENS.
WE ARE NO LONGER ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL.
NAME, NAME, AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
FIRST I WANTED TO THANK YOU AGAIN, AS DARCY DID FOR THE TENT.
WE'RE NOT AS WET AND BE DRAGGED AS WE WOULD HAVE BEEN.
I'M CAROLINE BRUNE AT ONE TO TWO CUPS WAY.
THE BOARD SHOULD DENY THIS APPLICATION.
IT DOES NOT VARY IN ANY OBJECTIVE OR SUBSTANTIVE WAY FROM THE PROPOSALS THAT EARNED THE DENY RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING DIVISION AND COMMISSION LAST NOVEMBER.
AND EVEN TODAY, THE COUNTY RECOMMENDS DENIAL AS CONFIRMED BY THE COUNTY'S RECOMMENDATION.
THIS PROPOSED REZONING DEVIATES FROM AND IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE FURTHER, THE DEVELOPER HAS NOT MET ITS BURDEN TO ESTABLISH A REASONABLE BASIS FOR REZONING DEVIATIONS.
AS YOU'VE HEARD, INCLUDE EXCEEDING DENSITY DESIGNATIONS IN COMPETITOR, A LOT SIZES ALTERING THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA, WHICH IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT CONCERN.
SETTING A NEGATIVE PRECEDENT FOR DENSITY DEVELOPMENT, WHICH MAKES YOUR JOB HARDER AND EXCLUDING THE ROAD FROM BARLOW TO FENTON MILL.
THE RESIDENTS DIDN'T ASK FOR THIS EXCLUSION AND THEY SUPPORT THE ROAD WITHOUT FURTHER BUILDUP.
THE PLAN ITSELF STATES ANY DEVELOPMENT SHOULD INCLUDE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS ROAD.
NO REASONABLE BASIS EXISTS FOR EXCLUDING IT.
THESE DEVIATIONS ARE NOT ISOLATED, BUT CUMULATIVE.
AND THEY REINFORCE THE PROPOSALS INCONSISTENCY WITH THE COUNTY'S OWN HOUSING AND POPULATION PROJECTIONS THAT ARE IN THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE PLAN PROJECTS AND ADDITIONAL 1400 HOUSING UNITS IN THE UPPER COUNTY FOR THE 20 YEARS BETWEEN 2015 AND 2035.
THE REALITY IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS ALONE, THIS COUNTY HAS ALLOWED AN INCREASE OF 2.3 TIMES.
THE NUMBER OF UNITS IT PROJECTED FOR 20 YEARS, THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THIS EXTRAORDINARY EXPLOSION.
WELL, CERTAINLY NOT ANY OBJECTIVE HISTORICAL OR PROJECTED DATA ON POPULATION GROWTH.
THE PLAN ANTICIPATES POPULATION TO DECREASE FROM THE 2005 PROJECTIONS.
AND OF COURSE IT DOESN'T TAKE IN THE ECONOMIC DOWNTURN.
WE'RE NOW DEALING WITH, EXCUSE ME.
UM, THE COUNTY'S PROJECTED POPULATION INCREASED FROM 2015 TO 2035 IS 4,800 RESIDENTS.
BUT IF WE ASSUME 2.5 PERSONS PER APPROVED, BUILT AND PENDING HOUSING UNITS RIGHT NOW, A TOTAL OF OVER 3,200 UNITS BEFORE THIS PROPOSAL, THE PROJECTED INCREASE WOULD BE 8,100 RESIDENTS.
AND INCLUDING THIS PROPOSAL AND ADDITIONAL 9,500 RESIDENTS, NO OBJECTIVE DATA SUPPORTS THIS OFF THE CHART.
PROJECTION OF POPULATION GROWTH TO SUPPORT A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, A WHIMSICAL.
WELL, IF WE BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME PHILOSOPHY FLIES IN HOLLYWOOD, BUT IT IS A POOR SUBSTITUTE FOR PROFESSIONAL OBJECTIVE PLANNING.
I HAD THIS DOWN, I GOT A CONCLUSION, A BALANCE MUST BE STRUCK BETWEEN USES OF LAND, RESIDENTIAL AND DEVELOPMENT.
ENTERPRISE IS NEVER FREE AND SOMEONE ALWAYS PAYS THE PRICE, CORRECT? WELL, IT SHOULD NOT ALWAYS BE THE CITIZEN'S BURDEN TO PAY THE COSTS FOR DEVELOPMENT WHILE THE DEVELOPER EARNS ALL THE BENEFITS, AS YOU ARE AWARE, YOUR APPROVAL MUST BE BASED ON OBJECTIVE CRITERIA.
WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU DENY THE APPLICATION.
GOOD TIMING, DOUG, DOUG HOME GRADE PACKAGE.
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CAN YOU HELP ME GET THE PRESENTATION? HERE WE GO.PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
UH, MY NAME IS DOUG HOLROYD HIGH LEVEL ONE OH THREE MARINA POINT NA SKIMMING LENDING, UH, STATES.
I'M OPPOSED TO THE SUBMISSION BY FENTON MILL LIVING.
I'M A RETIRED EXECUTIVE WITH EXXON MOBILE CORPORATION.
I'VE SPENT MANY YEARS AS AN INDEPENDENT PRESIDENT AT ONE OF THEIR OWN OVERSEAS COMPANIES.
I GIVE THIS BACKGROUND JUST AS, AS REFERENCE TO THE FACT THAT I I'VE GOT A LOT OF FINANCIAL REPORTS AND A LOT OF STUDIES IN MY TIME, AND I THINK I'M PRETTY CAPABLE AT READING THEM.
I INTEND TO TAKE THIS BOARD THROUGH THE FISCAL IMPACT STUDY THAT FENTANYL HAS DEVELOPED ON SLIDE ONE.
UH, THAT'S GOING ON HERE ON SLIDE ONE, THE YORK COUNTY SCHOOL DIVISION MASTER PLAN RECENTLY WAS ISSUED FOR 2022 TO 2027.
UM, IT'S CHANGED FROM THE LAST YEAR WHEN, UH, WHEN THE FENDER LIVING FIRST, UH, PROPOSES PACKAGE WHAT'S HAPPENED IS, UH, THE WATER MILL EXPANSION.
WHILE OUR MILL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL EXPANSION HAS DROPPED OFF THE CHART.
NOW, WHY IS THAT WITH 241 STUDENTS IN SURPLUS? WHY IS IT THAT YOU'VE SUDDENLY DROPPED THE EXPANSION FROM THAT, UH, FROM THAT SCHOOL? I THINK IT'S OBVIOUS.
I THINK IT'S OBVIOUS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ALMOST AS ALMOST ENTIRELY ASSOCIATED WITH WALNUT MILL $47 MILLION BEING SPENT ON, ON CAPITAL SPENDING.
COME ON HERE, WE'VE SEEN THE, WE'VE SEEN THESE NUMBERS.
WE'VE SEEN THE CAPACITY, A WALLER MIDDLE SCHOOL IS CURRENTLY AT PLUS 94.
UH, THE TOTAL FOR THOSE THREE SCHOOLS IS PLUS SEVEN 26.
SO THERE'S PLENTY OF CAPACITY.
WHY ARE WE ADDING $47 MILLION RUNNING COST? WELL, THE ANSWER IS WITH ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS WE'VE DONE RECENTLY, ALBERDALE FENTON MILL, KELTON STATION POWELL PLANTATION, AND NOW FENTANYL DEVELOPMENT, 599 UNITS ADDED TO ABOVE IT'S 1200, 1,223 UNITS.
AND THAT HAS ADDED TO OUR SCHOOL, OUR SURPLUS SURPLUS STUDENT ISSUE.
NOW 241, UH, STUDENTS OVER CAPACITY AT WALLER MILL, UH, BASICALLY BALANCED AT QUEENS LAKE ONLY BECAUSE I'VE ADDED A RECENT EXPANSION OF A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED, UM, CAPACITY AND BRUTON HIGH SCHOOL HAS CAPACITY.
I WANTED TO TAKE YOU THROUGH SOME OF THE IMPACT FISCAL IMPACT STUDY.
A CAPITAL COST OF SCHOOLING HAS BEEN EXCLUDED FROM THE FENTON MILL DEVELOPMENT.
AND I QUOTE A QUOTE, THE FIGURE, A REPORT SINCE THE REZONING APPROVAL, ALLOWING FENTON MILL TO BE DEVELOPED WOULD NOT CHANGE THE COUNTY'S EXISTING FISCAL PLANS.
NO CAPITAL FISCAL IMPACT WAS ASSIGNED TO FENTON MILL WITH RESPECT TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL STUDENTS GENERATED BY THAT DEVELOPMENT, NO CAPITAL IMPACT.
YOU'VE JUST SEEN THE CAPITAL IMPACT.
THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS CAUSING THE COUNTY TO SPEND $32 MILLION ON A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
WE'VE REFLECTED A PRO RATA SHARE OF THE COST OF THAT, UH, OF SCHOOLING IN THIS IMPACT STUDY.
WE'VE ALSO CORRECTED THE NUMBER OF BUSES.
THEY SHOW TWO BUSES FOR 300 KIDS.
IT LOOKS LIKE AWFULLY BIG BUSES.
WE'VE CORRECTED THE MEALS TAX, WHICH SHOWED, WHICH SHOWED A, YOU COULD WRAP IT UP PLEASE.
70% OF THE MEALS TAX ALLOWANCE COMING FROM, UH, RESTAURANTS WITHIN A 10 MILE RADIUS THAT WERE OF HIGH QUALITY OR MID-RANGE, UH, QUALITY.
THERE ARE NONE THERE'S ONLY, UH, THERE'S ONLY A BURGER KINGS IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA OF THIS 10 MILES.
SO AFTER CORRECTING THIS FISCAL IMPACT STUDY, WE SHOW THE BUY-RITE HAVING A PLUS $2 MILLION NET REVENUE, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, LESS THAN A MILLION.
THANK YOU, DON COLE
SO I WANT TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE MAP IN FRONT OF YOU.
UH, WE DID REACH OUT TO DEVELOPER SEVERAL TIMES WITH COMBINATIONS.
UH, WE PROPOSE SETTING SIDE LAND FOR CONSERVATION AND TRUE OPEN SPACE IN THE AREA ON THE DEVELOPER'S WEBSITE, THEY CLAIM 52% OF LAND HAS MAINTAINED OPEN SPACE.
THIS CALCULATION INCLUDES SIGNIFICANT ACREAGE.
THAT'S UN-BILLABLE UNBUILDABLE BECAUSE IT'S TO SLEEP STEEP AND RPA AREAS.
IT ALSO INCLUDE INDIVIDUAL FRONT YARDS AND BACKYARDS.
SO YOUR FRONT YARD IS AN OPEN SPACE.
THAT'S NOT THE CASE BY PLACING LAND AROUND DEVELOPING THE CONSERVATION AND MAINTAINS A REAL CHARACTER AREA.
AND DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOME PROVIDES RECREATIONAL PASSIVE USE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
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IMPACTED LOOKING AT THE NEXT MAP.EVERY THIS IS A COMMUNITY THAT'S OPPOSED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
EVERYONE IN RED, EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY OWNER IS OPPOSED.
UH, THEY'RE HERE TONIGHT AND INCLEMENT WEATHER AND DURING COVID TO VOICE THEIR OPPOSITION THERE SOLIDARITY ACROSS THE COMMUNITY.
OPER YOUR COUNTY IS AN AREA THAT CONTINUES TO HAVE LARGE UNDEVELOPED AREAS, REFLECTING THE RURAL CULTURE AND LAND USE.
THIS IS A UNIQUE PART OF THE COUNTY.
IT REALLY LASTS VETERANS OF OUR HISTORY.
UH, IT SHOULD BE PROTECTED AND PRESERVED FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS, YOUR COUNTY CITIZENS, AND REALLY NOT SUBJECT TO SUBURBAN SPRAWL OF HIGH DENSITY AND FRANKLY MISLEADING ECO ECONOMIC, UH, STATEMENTS, ADDRESSING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD EARLIER, UH, FROM LAMONT.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WE DID REACH OUT TO HIM AND WE TRIED TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT THIS.
I MENTIONED THIS AS A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, WE GOT ZERO RESPONSE.
I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHY NOW HE CHARACTERIZED US AS, YOU KNOW, GIVE ME A BREAK.
IT IS A RIDICULOUS, THIS IS NEW YORK CITY.
YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY DISMISSIVE ATTITUDE.
I WISH WE COULD'VE HAD A MORE RESPECTFUL CONVERSATION.
THERE'S BEEN WEEKS BETWEEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
AND TONIGHT WE HAVEN'T HEARD A WORD I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE ATTITUDE THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS TAKEN ON THIS.
HE SAID THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE REZONING BY THE LOUDEST VOICES IN THE ROOM AND QUOTE, UNQUOTE, THESE PEOPLE THAT WE PROVIDED THEM A FARCICAL LIST, WE TRULY ARE NOT OPPOSED TO ALL DEVELOPMENT.
WE'VE SUPPORTED REDEVELOPMENT IN THE UPPER PART OF THE COUNTY.
WE HAD A DEVELOPER IN THAT AREA, REACH OUT TO US.
HE TOOK THAT FEEDBACK AND MADE ACCOMMODATIONS AND CHANGES TO THE PLAN.
AND WE GOT BEHIND IT AND SUPPORTED IT.
WE ARE NOT A DO NOTHING, NO NOTHING GROUP.
WE'RE NOT A COMMUNITY THAT DOESN'T WANT ANYTHING DONE.
AND FRANKLY, I THINK WE HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT IDEA OF WHAT THE FRONT DOOR OF YOUR COUNTY SHOULD LOOK LIKE.
WE DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE EVERYWHERE, USA.
WE DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE THE HIGH DENSITY HOUSING THAT YOU SEE THROUGHOUT NEWPORT NEWS, FRANKLY, THE LOWER PART OF THE COUNTY, VIRGINIA BEACH, AND SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT REALLY IS GOING ON IN THE UPPER PART OF THE COUNTY ALREADY.
I'LL BE HERE THE REST OF THE NIGHT.
I'D BE HAPPY TO COME BACK AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT THE MAPS AND THE DATA.
YOU MR. COLE NAME, ADDRESS THREE MINUTES.
DO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE TENT AND THE TVS.
UM, MY NAME IS CYNTHIA HERMAN.
I LIVE AT ONE 17 WILSON DRIVE AND SCHEMA, NO FARMS. UM, AND I WILL BE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND I'M OPPOSED TO, UH, THE REZONING OF THE PROPERTY ON FENTON MELON BARLOW.
SO I ATTENDED ALL OF DEVELOPERS OPEN HOUSES AND DURING THE FIRST OPEN HOUSE, HE DESCRIBED THE PROJECT AS MEETING THE NEED FOR HOUSING IN THE AREA THAT THE OLDER POPULATION WAS LOOKING TO DOWNSIZE TO ELIMINATE THE YARD WORK IN THE UPKEEP.
HE INFERRED THAT ALL PEOPLE OF A CERTAIN AGE WERE SEEKING THIS, THAT PEOPLE WANT PLANNED COMMUNITIES WANT TO BE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF SHOPPING ENTERTAINMENT AND OTHER AMENITIES WITH PRICES STARTING AT 250,000 AND PARDON SPEAK, SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE.
AT THE SECOND OPEN HOUSE, A PLAN WAS PRESENTED THAT BROUGHT THE NUMBER DOWN TO 599 RESIDENCES FROM THE ORIGINAL 836, STILL WITH THE HIGH STARTER PRICE AND STILL TRYING TO PROCEED THE NARRATING NEIGHBORING AREAS THAT THIS WAS GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT THE LOWER PRICED HOUSING WERE GOOD STARTER HOMES FOR NEW HOME BUYERS, STILL FAILING TO ADDRESS THE OTHER ISSUES THE COMMUNITY HAD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT.
THIS SIZE, THESE PLANNED COMMUNITIES WERE NOT BUILT WITH THE INTENT OF HOUSING, WILLIAMSBURG, YORK AND JAMES CITY COUNTY.
THESE PROJECTS WERE PLANNED TO MAKE MONEY AND NOTHING ELSE.
ACCORDING TO A LONG TIME REAL ESTATE AGENT WHO WHO'S LIVED IN THE AREA, HER ENTIRE LIFE, THE PEOPLE BUYING UP THESE STARTER HOMES ARE THOSE LIVING AND WORKING IN RICHMOND, HAMPTON, VIRGINIA BEACH AND FARTHER, NOT THE MIDDLE-CLASS PROFESSIONALS WORKING RIGHT HERE, SUCH AS TEACHERS, POLICE, ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT, RETAIL MANAGERS, AND SO MANY OTHERS THAT CANNOT EVEN BEGIN TO AFFORD THESE HOMES UNTIL WELL INTO THEIR PROFESSIONAL CAREER.
AND WHAT ABOUT WHAT IS ACTUALLY TRENDING IN VIRGINIA AND AROUND THE COUNTRY? STUDIES HAVE SHOWN SIGNIFICANT SHIFT IN WHAT IS CONSIDERED ATTRACTIVE PROPERTIES THAT EVEN BACK IN 2008, PEOPLE WERE LOOKING TO LEAVE DENSELY POPULATED AREAS FOR MORE RURAL AREAS IN AN ARTICLE PUBLISHED JUST LAST WEEK, A STUDY PUT OUT IN THE WILLIAMSBURG TARGETED INDUSTRY UPDATE FINAL REPORT CLAIMS WILLIAMSBURG IS IN AN IDEAL LOCATION TO ATTRACT PEOPLE INTERESTED IN GETTING OUT OF DENSE AREAS LIKE DOWNTOWN RICHMOND OR THE HEART OF DC.
SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS PANDEMIC, THERE HAS BEEN A DEMAND FOR HOMES IN LESS DENSE AREA, MORE SPACE, FEWER PEOPLE.
SO WHY ARE PLANNERS AND SUPERVISORS APPROVING HAND OVER FIST, THESE HIGH PRICE, DENSE HOUSING COMMUNITIES WITHOUT REGARD FOR CURRENT TRENDS OR WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS OR
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WHAT HAS BEEN STATED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.AND WHEN DID IT BECOME A GREAT IDEA TO TAKE AN ENTIRE AREA ZONE FOR RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND DROP A DENSE, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, OR EVEN A LESS DENSE PLAN COMMUNITY, NOT EVEN BOTHERING TO CONSIDER THE REASONS PEOPLE MOVED OUT TO THAT COMMUNITY TO BEGIN WITH.
THEY MOVED HERE TO ESCAPE PLACES LIKE DUPONT NEWS HAMPTON WITH ALL THE DEVELOPMENT GOING ON THE COUNTRY, THE QUIET COUNTRY LIVING IS FAST DISAPPEARING.
THIS PLAN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE DEVELOPMENT GOING ON RIGHT NOW IN UPPER YORK.
THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO NEED TO CONTINUE REZONING AND DEVELOPING MORE PLANNED COMMUNITIES.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, TOM CHAMBERLAIN, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME IS TOM CHAMBERLIN AND I LIVE AT TWO 70 MARLA ROAD IN WILLIAMSBURG.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED REZONING.
I REVIEWED A TRAFFIC STUDY CONDUCTED BY THE APPLICANT IN DETAIL.
IT'S CONCERNING THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT WILL BE ADDED TO ROADS IN THE
BOTH FENTON MILL AND BARLOW ROADS DO NOT MEET CURRENT BEAT OUT STANDARDS.
IN FACT, ONE AREA OF FENTON MILL IS ONLY FEET, THREE INCHES WIDE WITH A STEEP CULVERT DROP ON EACH SIDE.
THE I 64 EASTBOUND OFF RAMP AT ONE 99.
A NEWMAN ROAD WILL HAVE HUGE DELAYS FOR TRAFFIC THAT TURNS LEFT AT PEAK AFTERNOON.
RUSH AN ESTIMATED 81 CARS PER HOUR WILL BE LINED UP TO MAKE A LEFT TURN AND 654 CARS PER HOUR WILL BE LINED UP TO MAKE A RIGHT TURN.
SO USING ONLY HALF OF THEIR WAIT TIME, THIS HEAVY VOLUME OF TRAFFIC WILL BACK UP ON ICE 64 FOR MORE THAN A MILE AND A HALF.
THINK JEFFERSON AVENUE AND 64 AND NEWPORT NEWS.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WHILE THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO A TRAFFIC STUDY, THEY HAVE NOT AGREED TO INSTALL A LIGHT.
IF IT'S WARRANTED, THE DEVELOPER REQUIRES PROOF THAT THE NEW DEVELOPMENT CAUSED THE DELAY.
THIS WILL BE ANOTHER FIGHT FOR THE CITIZENS OF YOUR COUNTY.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN NOTES OF BOTH BARLOW AND FENTANYL ROAD ARE NARROW AND HAVE SIGHT LINE CONCERNS.
IT RECOMMENDED REQUIRING A ROAD CONNECTING BARLOW AT SKIMMING OUT TO NEWMAN ROAD, ALL TRAFFIC ON THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, ALONG WITH MUCH OF THE TRAFFIC ON SKIM ANEW WOULD TRAVEL THIS NEWLY CONSTRUCTED ROAD IN EARLY CONVERSATION WITH THE DEVELOPER CONSTRUCTING SUCH A ROAD AS COST PROHIBITIVE.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALSO STATES THE CARRYING CAPACITY OF FENTON MILL ROAD SOUTH OF NEWMAN SHOULD BE PRESERVED THROUGH THE PROHIBITION OF DRIVEWAYS EXITING ON A FENTON MILL.
THE CURRENT PLAN HAS TWO ROADS EXITING ON THE FENTON MILL.
MILL WILL SEE A VOLUME INCREASE FROM 190 VEHICLES A DAY TO OVER 3000 VEHICLES A DAY.
THAT'S A WHOPPING 1500% INCREASE IN TRAFFIC OVER 3000 VEHICLES A DAY ON A ROAD THAT IS 16 FEET, THREE INCHES WIDE WITH A DROP-OFF CULVER ON BOTH SIDES.
THE TRAFFIC WILL ONLY GET WORSE AND MORE ACCIDENTS WILL OCCUR.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE RECENT LEE COMPLETED V.STUDY INDICATED THAT FOR THE MOST DANGEROUS ROUNDS ROADS IN YOUR COUNTY ARE IN DISTRICT ONE.
FINALLY, I ASKED THE BOARD AND STAFF TO TAKE A MORE REGIONAL APPROACH TO TRAFFIC STUDIES FOR DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS OUT OF SUMMER TRAFFIC IMPACT ROADS.
WHAT ABOUT THE TOURIST TRAFFIC AND THOSE AVOIDING A CRASH ON A MAIN ROAD THERE, NO ONE LOOKING AT WHAT THE COMBINED DEVELOPMENT IN THE LIGHTFOOT CORRIDOR IS HAVING ON TRAFFIC.
THOSE TRAFFIC IMPACTS CAN BE OVERWHELMING TO NARROW, NARROW RURAL ROADS.
AND PLEASE VOTE NO ON THE REZONING.
AND I'LL ADD A COUPLE OF SECONDS HERE THAT WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE TENT.
NOT EVERYBODY IS COMING IN FROM THE TENT, UH, OUTSIDE TO, TO SPEAK, BUT WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE ABILITY TO HAVE VIDEO OUT THERE AND AUDIO FOR, UH, FOR OUR MEMBERS.
RICH, HAL STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME IS RICH HOWELL LIVE AT ONE OH FOUR HORSESHOE DRIVE AND QUEENS LAKE.
NO, AND DISCUSSING THE REZONING OF THESE PARCELS.
I BELIEVE THERE REALLY SHOULD BE A HOLISTIC OF REZONING.
OTHER LOCALITIES HAVE FACE THE ISSUE OF RAMPANT OVERDEVELOPMENT AND TAKE AN ACTION TO ADDRESS IT HERE IN HAMPTON ROADS, THE CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH HAS ITS DEVELOPMENT.
GREEN LINE, NO PLAN DEVELOPMENTS OR HIGH DENSITY LAND USE IS PERMITTED SOUTH OF THIS LINE.
THIS HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR DECADES AND IS SUCCESSFULLY SAVED THE RURAL AND AGRICULTURAL LAND USE IN VIRGINIA BEACH IN SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY.
THEY HAVE A SIMILAR POLICY IN THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY OF GREATER RELEVANCE.
HERE IS THE RECENT MOVE BY STANFORD COUNTY.
THIS MONTH, THE COUNTY'S BOARD OF SUPERVISORS VOTED THE DOWN'S ZONE, NEARLY 90,000 ACRES OF LAND IN THE COUNTY TO ONE HOME PER SIX ACRES.
NOW IN ZONING REZONES LAND TO A LESS DENSE DEVELOPMENT USE.
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AND THE PRACTICE IS TYPICALLY DONE TO LIMIT SPRAWL.AS I MENTIONED, SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY DID THIS ABOUT A DECADE AGO AS DID PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY IN BOTH COUNTIES.
THE ACTION IS LOOKED BACK ON AS A SUCCESS AND A THOUGHTFUL ACTION TAKEN BY THE BOARDS.
YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPER ASKS WHERE OUR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS WOULD GO FOR HOUSING.
WELL, I ASK WHERE WILL THEY GO DEFINE RURAL AMERICA.
IF THIS KEEPS UP, IT WON'T BE HERE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST TO YOU MEMBERS OF THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THAT WE DOWN ZONE THE REMAINING RURAL LANDS AND UPPER YOUR COUNTY TO A REASONABLE MINIMUM NUMBER OF ACRES PER LOT.
I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST IN THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE INCORPORATE THIS THOUGHT AND STOP THE RAMPANT OVERDEVELOPMENT THAT IS GOING ON IN DISTRICT ONE, THAT WE MAINTAIN OUR OPEN SPACE FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS, THAT WE STOP BURDENING THE TAXPAYERS WITH INFRINGEMENT ON ZONING AND ON OUR COMP PLAN.
AND THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT FOR THE FUTURE OF YOUR COUNTY AND THOSE TO COME.
NO, THANK YOU, TOM BOND, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, TOM BOND, UH, TWO ZERO THREE CREEK POINT CIRCLE, A YORK COUNTY.
UM, I'D LIKE TO REVIEW SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE BY THE, THE VERY INTELLIGENT COMMENTS MADE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS THAT THEIR NOVEMBER MEETING TO REVIEW THE REZONING REQUEST.
UH, THESE COMMENTS ARE TRANSCRIBED FROM THE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE VIDEO RECORD OF THE MEETING, MR. ROBERT PETERMAN, I CANNOT SUPPORT THE PROJECT.
I'M CONCERNED WITH THE TRAFFIC I'VE DRIVEN THOSE ROADS.
THEY CAN SUPPORT ANY MORE TRAFFIC THAN THEY CURRENTLY DO.
NOW, MR. ROBERT CRINER, I'D LIKE TO COME IN TWO GROUPS FIRST, THE DEVELOPER FOR TRYING TO WORK AND MAKE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THEN THE IS THE BEST ORGANIZED OPPOSITION I'VE EVER COME ACROSS, EVER.
EVERYTHING CONSIDERED RIGHT NOW, I'M LEANING TOWARD, AGAINST SUPPORTING THE REQUEST.
MR. JOHNS, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GOES THROUGH A VETTING PROCESS.
YOU'VE HEARD PEOPLE SAY IT'S JUST A GUIDE.
IT GOES THROUGH A VETTING PROCESS AND A CITIZEN STEERING COMMITTEE FOR 15 MONTHS.
AND IT GOES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND DURING THAT TIME WE ARE HAVING PUBLIC HEARINGS AND WE GET INPUT FROM CITIZENS AND BUSINESSES.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING THAT WOULD MAKE A COMPELLING ARGUMENT FOR GOING AGAINST THIS DOCUMENT.
THE NAME OF THIS COUNTY IS YORK COUNTY.
IF WE CONTINUE TO MAKE THESE EXCEPTIONS, I WANT TO BE THE FIRST TO WELCOME YOU TO NEW YORK COUNTY FOR THE COUNTY'S INTEREST.
I THINK WE SHOULD FOLLOW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, MR. TITUS, I THINK WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UNLESS THERE IS COMPELLING EVIDENCE THAT SAYS, UH, YOU NEED TO DEVIATE FROM THE PLAN.
I CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT I CAN NOT SUPPORT IT.
I THINK THE BEST THING FOR THIS PARTICULAR LAND USE WOULD BE A BI-RITE MARY LEEDOM.
ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT SOMEBODY MADE REALLY STRUCK ME THAT WE ARE STEWARDS OF THE LAND.
NOT ONLY ARE WE STEWARDS OF THE LAND, WE ARE STEWARDS OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THAT LAND OF THEIR RIGHTS.
THE DEVELOPERS, I THINK, ARE IGNORING WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT FOR THE SAKE OF STACK AND PACK.
WE SHOULD BE THE STEWARDS OF THE LAND.
ANOTHER THING I WOULD COMMENT ON IS THE COMPLETE DISREGARD OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I THINK THE THING THAT REALLY DRIVES MY DECISION TO OPPOSED REZONING IS THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDED DENYING APPROVAL.
AND THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT.
I'M GOING TO FOLLOW THAT RECOMMENDATION.
AND FINALLY, MR. MICHAEL KING FOR NOW, I THINK I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST IT BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN ALL THE THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE TO MAKE THIS THE PRIME DEVELOPMENT THAT THE COUNTY DESERVES.
THESE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS UNANIMOUSLY VOTED AGAINST REZONING OF THIS PRISTINE TRACT OF LAND.
AND WE ASK THAT YOU ALSO DO THAT.
THANK YOU, MR. BOND, ANDREA WILSON, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I LIVE AT ONE 26 FENTON MILL ROAD.
UM, IN 1939, MY GREAT-GRANDFATHER BOUGHT, UM, OUR FAMILY FARM 80 ACRES OF LAND THAT HAS BEEN FARMED FOR OVER A HUNDRED YEARS.
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TO SIT DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.FIVE GENERATIONS HAVE BEEN RAISED THERE AND SOMEDAY, UH, IN THE NOT SO DISTANT FUTURE, A SIX GENERATION WILL HOPEFULLY HAVE THE PLEASURE OF GROWING UP THERE.
WE RAISED COWS, CHICKENS, DUCKS, PIGS, AND MOST RECENTLY, THANKS TO, UM, THIS GROUP'S UPRISING.
UH, WE'VE BEEN INTRODUCED TO KEEPING BEES AND THE EFFECTS AND BENEFIT THAT THOSE SMALL AMAZING CREATURES HAVE ON OUR SURROUNDING GARDENS FLOWERS AND OVERALL OUR ENTIRE ECOSYSTEM.
WE ENJOY GARDENING GROWING AND PRESERVING OUR OWN FOOD.
AS MY GRANDMOTHER BEGAN TEACHING ME AS A YOUNG GIRL, THERE IS NO FONDER MEMORY THAN THAT OF SITTING ON THE PORCH WITH MY GRANDMA, SNAPPING BEANS, THAT SIMPLE TASK TAUGHT ME SO MUCH MORE.
IT TAUGHT PATIENCE, EXCUSE ME, PATIENCE, PERSEVERANCE, AND NOT TO MENTION OPEN THE OPPORTUNITY FOR STORIES TO BE TOLD AND MEMORIES TO BE SHARED STORAGE AND KNOWLEDGE THAT NOW WE'LL GET TO BE PASSED ON TO OUR NEXT GENERATION.
I'M PROUD TO BE TEACHING MY CHILDREN THE HOW TOS OF FARMING AND BEING STEWARDS OF THE LAND THAT WE'VE BEEN ENTRUSTED WITH.
WE KNOW ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS, AS MOST OF THEM HAVE LIVED THERE, ALL OF THEIR LIVES AS WELL.
WE'VE GONE TO SCHOOL TOGETHER FOR GENERATIONS CELEBRATED BURSTS AND MORE THAN THE PASSING OF LOVED ONES, WE ALL LEND A HELPING HAND TO ONE ANOTHER IN WAVE.
WHEN YOU DRIVE BY, WE CHECK ON OUR NOW ELDERLY NEIGHBORS AS WE'VE KNOWN THEM SINCE WE WERE KNEE-HIGH WE AND UPPER YORK ENJOY A SIMPLE, PEACEFUL RURAL WAY OF LIFE.
THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, NEARLY 600 HOMES PLACED ON TINY LOTS, GOES AGAINST THE VERY APPEARANCE AND ROLL LIFESTYLE LIFESTYLE OF THOSE OF US THAT PROUDLY CALL UPPER YORK HOME.
SOME OF US FOR SEVERAL GENERATIONS, THIS DEVELOPMENT OF CLUSTERED HOMES AND TOWNHOMES HAS NO PLACE BETWEEN OUR FARMS AND IN OUR RURAL LIFESTYLE YORK COUNTY'S OWN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES SLOW AND STEADY GROWTH IN THE PROMISE OF CONTINUED MAINTENANCE OF YOUR COUNTY'S RURAL AREAS.
THIS PROJECT IS A DIRECT CONTRADICTION OF THAT PLAN AND A CONTRADICTION OF THE SURROUNDING NATURE OF THE AREA.
I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THIS BOARD DENY THIS APPLICATION FOR REZONING AND HELP MAINTAIN THE LAST OF THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL LAND THAT YOUR COUNTY HAS LEFT BECAUSE IT'S, ONCE IT'S GONE, THERE WILL BE NOTHING LEFT TO PASS ON TO OUR FUTURE GENERATIONS.
THANK YOU, STEVEN KENNEDY, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE ROOM RECORD.
STEVEN KENNEDY, ONE OH FOUR PEN DRIVE.
GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE AA SPEECH OR THE BA SPEECH.
WHICH ONE WOULD YOU LIKE? WHATEVER COMES IN UNDER THREE MINUTES, BE IT IS GIVE ME HOW THREE WE'LL DO THE A AT MY PLACE KIND, SIR, THROUGH EVERY ADVERSITY LIES A SEED OF EQUAL OR GREATER BENEFIT.
THINK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU FOLKS, CONSERVE COUNTY.ORG, CHECK IT OUT.
CAN'T GIVE YOU ANOTHER THREE MINUTES, A LOT OF NEW AND EXCITING INFORMATION THERE.
YOU CAN EXPECT LOTS OF IDEAS, ALTERNATIVE SUGGESTIONS FROM THIS FINE ORGANIZATION IN THE WEEKS AND MONTHS AHEAD, WE'RE ALSO WORKING TOGETHER IN THE CONSERVATION BUSINESS WITH PATRICE SETTLER, THE HISTORIC VIRGINIA LAND CONSERVANCY PARTNER WITH US.
THEY JUST HAVE A 30 YEAR HEADSTART ON US.
WE'RE GOING TO CATCH UP FAST IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC.
WE RAISED TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF CAPITAL FIVE OH ONE C3 TAX EXEMPT ORGANIZATION, NOT JUST RESIDENTS, PUTTING THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS, BUT THEIR TIME AS WELL.
YOU SEE, WE NEED MORE TIME AS WELL AS MONEY AND NON-FOR-PROFIT LAND.
BUT ALSO UNDERSTANDING IS THAT JAMES CITY COUNTY AND CITY OF PITTSBURGH HAD CONTRIBUTED MUCH TO THIS NOBLE CAUSE OVER THE YEARS, WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THE SAME MATTER OF FACT, TONIGHT, I'LL MAKE A PROMISE.
I'LL MATCH EVERY DOLLAR YOU CAN.
YOU CONTRIBUTE TO HISTORIC VIRGINIA LAND CONSERVANCY OR CONSERVE YOUR COUNTY FOUNDATION.
IS IT 5,000? IS IT 10,000 WALTZ STILL TAX DEDUCTIBLE, RIGHT? SIR.
CONSERVATION WORKS EVERY TIME IT'S ATTEMPTED.
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN CIVIC LEADERS ARE RIGHT.
WHAT HAPPENS THOUGH? WHEN CENTRAL PLANNING IS INACCURATE OR ERRONEOUS? WELL, MAYBE CRIME RISES LEXUS NEXUS REPORT.
PUT YOUR ADDRESS IN FIVE MILES WITHIN YOUR ADDRESS.
YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR BACKYARD.
THE MOST RECENT REPORT I GOT WITHIN FIVE MILES OF MY HOME.
WHEN MY WIFE AND I MOVED IN 23 YEARS AGO, WE DIDN'T GET 13 PAGES IN A YEAR, LET ALONE IN A MONTH.
I THINK THEY CALL THAT LADY AND GENTLEMEN.
UM, WHEN YOU'RE AN EIGHT, 10 PILOT COLONEL SHEPHERD, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? THINGS GO WRONG.
DO YOU KEEP DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN? ARE THERE ANY AFTER ACTION REPORTS MESSAGE PLEASE TO THIS FOUNDATION, WHERE ARE THE AFTER ACTION REPORTS AND ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS YOU'VE APPROVED FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS IN THE INVESTMENT BUSINESS, YOU HAVE TO DO ONE THREE, FIVE, AND 10 YEAR NUMBERS
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IN THE SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY.WHAT HAPPENS WHEN COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS WORK TAKES A WRONG TURN? WELL, JUNE 27TH DAILY PRESS TAX COLLECTIONS, AREN'T REALLY AN ISSUE.
QUOTE, UNQUOTE, REALLY? WE DON'T NEED TO CHASE DEVELOPMENT TO MAKE PAYROLL.
THEN WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? BUT I THINK NOW IT'S REALLY ABOUT PLACEMAKING.
IT USED TO BE ABOUT JOBS AND TAXES.
PLACEMAKING THE COUNTY IS IN THE BUSINESS OF PLACEMAKING COME TO MY PLACE.
I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
COME CHECK OUT YOUR FOUNDATION.
GOOD EVENING, GEORGE MAHONEY, JR.
I LIVE AT 29 SKIMMING OVER A ROAD IN THE UPPER END OF THE COUNTY.
AND UH, I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT I HAVE A CONCERN OVER.
AND THAT IS THE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE OF THIS THING.
UH, 30 YEARS AGO, YOUR COUNTY WAS WAY AHEAD OF THE CURVE.
THEY OPENED UP THE NEIGHBORHOOD FIRE STATIONS.
I WAS A VOLUNTEER AT THAT TIME AND VOLUNTEERED WHEN STATION FIVE WAS OPEN, UH, AS OAK TODAY, WE HAVE RAMPANT GROWTH IN THE UPPER END OF YOUR COUNTY.
WE HAVE RAMPANT GROWTH IN THE UPPER END OF JAMES CITY COUNTY STATION FIVE.
SO FAR, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S ANSWER HAS BEEN, THEY ADDED TWO BAYS TO THE STATION.
THEY STAFFED IT WITH ONE EXTRA PERSON PER SHIFT, WHICH IS THREE MEN TOTAL TO RUN THESE EXTRA CALLS OR WE RUN MUTUAL AID INTO JAMES CITY COUNTY.
THEY RUN MUTUAL AID AND TO US, THEY RECENTLY CANCELED THEIR FIRE STATION.
NUMBER SEVEN, DUE TO FINANCIAL PROBLEMS OVER COVERT, UH, TO GET INTO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
AT ONE TIME BACK 30 YEARS AGO, WE HAD TWO DEPUTIES AND THAT WHOLE UPPER END OF THE COUNTY RN AND IN, UH, WHERE HUBBARD LANE AND THAT AREA IS NOW WE HAVE THREE, WE MAY HAVE FOUR FOR SUPERVISORS UP THERE.
AND I HAVE SEEN TIMES WHEN WE'VE CALLED FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL EARLY ON MAY TAKE 15 MINUTES.
NOW IT TAKES UP TO 45 MINUTES TO GET A DEPUTY FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL SO THAT I CAN SAFELY GET A CAR OUT OF THE MEDIAN OR WHEREVER.
IT MAY BE A COUPLE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE ADDRESSED TONIGHT.
AS FAR AS THE ROADS, UH, FENTON MILL ROAD, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM FOR TWO TRACTOR TRAILERS TO PASS ON THAT ROAD IN SOME AREAS.
AND IN FACT, THE TRACTOR TRAILER AND OUR FIRE ENGINE WENT, WENT AT IT ONE AFTERNOON.
THE FIRE ENGINE WENT INTO DITCH, TOOK TWO ROTATOR RECORDS TO GET HIM OUT SAFELY.
THOSE ROTATOR RECORDS OPERATE AT $750 AN HOUR FROM THE TIME THEY LEAVE TO THE TIME THEY GET BACK.
SO IT WAS QUITE COSTLY TO THE COUNTY TO GET THAT FIRETRUCK OUT.
I WAS HEARD TONIGHT THAT THAT PROBLEM IS GOING TO GO AWAY.
I WAS NOT AWARE THAT THEY WANT TO SHUT THE INTERSTATE DOWN AND MOVE IT AWAY.
UH, THE CONSTRUCTION WILL BE OVER, BUT THE ACCIDENTS WILL STILL BE THERE AND THEY WILL STILL BE SHUTTING DOWN THE INTERSTATE.
AND THAT'S WHEN WE HAVE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS ON FENTANYL ROAD.
AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE LEFT TURN LANE AT ONE 99 OR NEWMAN ROAD, I CURRENTLY BYPASS THAT IF I'M COMING BACK FROM RICHMOND, NOW I WILL GET OFF ON EXIT TWO 31 AND COME JAMES CITY COUNTY, FENTON MILL ROAD TO NEWMAN ROAD TO AVOID THAT INTERSECTION.
AND IT'S SO HARD TO GET ACROSS ONE 99 RIGHT NOW.
I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE IF THIS PLAN IS APPROVED.
I AM DEFINITELY AGAINST THE REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE PUBLIC SAFETY IS THANK YOU.
BINDER, GERALD DENON, ONE 42 QUAKER MEETING HOUSE ROAD IN YOUR COUNTY.
SINCE THE STATE OF VIRGINIA MANDATED THE CREATION OF COMPREHENSIVE PLANS BY EACH COUNTY, YOUR COUNTY HAS DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF SOLICITING THE INPUT OF CITIZENS IN THE COUNTY AND INCORPORATING THEM INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS FROM THE VERY FIRST PLAN ADOPTED IN 1991, THROUGH THE FEEDBACK COLLECTED IN THE, IN THE 2040 REVISION CURRENTLY UNDERWAY, WE CAN SEE A VERY CLEAR AND CONSISTENT DESIRE EXPRESSED BY CITIZENS FOR YOUR COUNTY TO PROTECT ITS GREEN RURAL CHARACTER.
WHILE MOVING FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE.
THE PLAN ADOPTED IN 1991 SPECIFICALLY STATED THAT FOR YOUR COUNTY CITIZENS PROTECTION OF OUR ENVIRONMENT IS A PARAMOUNT CONCERN.
THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT OF YOUR COUNTY IS ONE OF ITS PRIMARY POSITIVE FEATURES FOR BUSINESSES AS WELL AS RESIDENTS IN 2005, CITIZENS SELECTED PROTECTING
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THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AS THEIR NUMBER ONE CONCERN.AND IT WAS OUT OF 30 OTHER TOP GOALS.
WE'RE PRESERVING OPEN GREEN SPACE AND PURCHASING UNDEVELOPED LAND OR THE RIGHTS TO THE LAND FOR THE PURPOSE OF PRESERVING OPEN SPACE IN THE CURRENT 2035 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RESIDENTS IDENTIFIED PRESERVING OPEN AND GREEN SPACE.
THAT IS LAND THAT HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED AS THEIR SINGLE MOST HIGHLY VALUED GOAL.
GOT AN EIGHT ON A SCALE OF 10, THE VIEWS OF CITIZENS ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT OF YOUR COUNTY HAVE NOT CHANGED.
WHAT HAS CHANGED IS THE OPINION OF YOUR COUNTY RESIDENTS ABOUT HOW THE COUNTY HAS MANAGED ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IN THE MOST RECENT SURVEY CITIZEN RESPONSES TO A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THEY DO NOT LIKE ABOUT RECENT CHANGES IN THE COUNTY INCLUDED OVERBUILDING, TOO MUCH DEVELOPMENT OF NEIGHBORHOODS, CROWDING THE SCHOOLS, LACK OF OPEN SPACE, TOO MANY MULTIUNIT, TOWNHOUSES AND APARTMENTS.
GETTING TO THE POINT OF OVERDEVELOPMENT.
IT IS GETTING CROWDED AND THE TRAFFIC IS GETTING WORSE.
IT'S OBSCENE AND THERE'S TOO MUCH DEVELOPMENT.
THESE CHANGES CREATE SEVERE TRAFFIC CONGESTION.
THEY CAUSE OVERCROWDED SCHOOLS, THEY DESTROY GREEN OPEN SPACE.
THEY DESTROY NATURAL HABITAT AND COMPROMISING ENVIRONMENT.
IT IS CAUSING A FUNDAMENTAL TRANSFORMATION OF YOUR COUNTY CHARACTER DIRECTLY AWAY FROM THE CHARACTERISTICS THAT YOUR COUNTY RESIDENTS HAVE CONSISTENTLY VALUED OVER THE PAST 40 YEARS AS THE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTY, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS THE AUTHORITY AND RESPONSIBILITY TO CARRY OUT THE WILL OF YOUR COUNTY CITIZENS AS CITIZENS OF YOUR COUNTY.
WE DEPEND ON YOU TO LEAD IN THE DIRECTION REVEALED IN THESE SURVEYS.
I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU VOTE UNANIMOUSLY TO REJECT THIS REZONING APPLICATION AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, REFOCUSED COUNTY DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS TOWARD PRESERVING THE NATURAL SPACES THAT REMAIN IN THIS COUNTY.
THANK YOU, MR. CROSS, IF YOU COULD PUT THE COUNTY LOGO.
YEAH, I THINK WE'VE GIVEN A LONG ENOUGH FOR YOU ADVERTISING FOR THE AGREE.
IS ERIC JOSS THREE OH SIX FORGE ROAD INTO ANO UH, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF FRIENDS, AFFORDS ROAD INTO ANO FRIENDS OR FOR DRONE INTO UNO IS A NON-PROFIT GROUP FOUNDED IN 2004 BY CONCERNED CITIZENS IN UPPER JAMES CITY COUNTY.
OUR MEMBERS HAVE SERVED ON THE JAMES CITY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION, THE CHESAPEAKE BAY BOARD, THE WETLANDS BOARD, THE JAMES CITY COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMISSION AND THE PURCHASE OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS COMMITTEE.
WE WORK WITH OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND VARIOUS OTHER GROUPS TO PROMOTE THE PRESERVATION OF RURAL LANDS, ENHANCE AWARENESS OF OUR AREAS, HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE AND SUPPORT AGRITOURISM.
OUR MISSION IS CLOSELY ALIGNED WITH COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS AND PERSONS IN OUR AREA, SUCH AS THOSE IN OUR GOOD NEIGHBOR, YOUR COUNTY, ONE OF THESE LIKE-MINDED ORGANIZATIONS IS PRESERVED FENTON MILL.
WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE POSITION OF PRESERVE FENTON MILL IN OPPOSITION TO THIS APPLICATION.
AND WE STRONGLY CONCUR IN THAT OPPOSITION TO THIS PROJECT FOR SEVERAL REASONS, INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING, THE PROPOSED LAND USE AND DENSITY ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT YORK COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THIS PROPOSED HIGH DENSITY PROJECT WILL SET A PRECEDENT FOR MORE INTENSE DEVELOPMENT OF AN ADJACENT RURAL RESIDENTIAL PARCEL.
THIS PROPOSED PROJECT WILL EXACERBATE WEAR AND TEAR ON INFRASTRUCTURE IN BOTH YORK AND NEIGHBORING JAMES CITY COUNTIES AND LIKELY RESULT IN HIGHER LEVELS OF TRAFFIC CONGESTION PROFFERS FROM THE DEVELOPER ALONE WOULD LIKELY NOT REDUCE THIS IMPACT.
THE PROPOSED PROJECT OF 599 UNITS, A 208% INCREASE OVER WHAT IS ALLOWED UNDER CURRENT ZONING WILL IN ALL LIKELIHOOD REQUIRE SIGNIFICANCE TO GIVE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF NEW SCHOOLS, SEATS, AND POSSIBLE STAFF ADDITIONS TO THE SHERIFF AND THE DEPARTMENTS AND THE SHERIFF AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS TO MEET THIS INCREASE IN POPULATION WATERLINES FOR THE DELIVERY OF FIRE SUPPRESSION WOULD ALSO LIKELY BE NEEDED UPPER YOUR COUNTY AND JAMES CITY COUNTY SHARE THE LAST REMAINING RURAL LANDS IN OUR REGION.
ACCORDINGLY OUR COMMUNITY GROUP URGES MORE COOPERATIVE EFFORTS BETWEEN THESE LOCALITIES IN ASSESSING CUMULATIVE IMPACTS AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND QUALITY OF LIFE.
THIS PROPOSED PROJECT HAS GENERATED SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY OPPOSITION PRESERVED PRINT AND MAIL HAS DISTRIBUTED SOME 800 SIGNS AND 300 CAR MAGNETS TO PEOPLE WHO RE REQUESTED THESE
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ITEMS. AND FOUR AND 50 INDIVIDUALS HAVE SIGNED PETITIONS.HI NAME AND ADDRESS THREE MINUTES.
I ALSO WANTED TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR GIVING US THE ACCOMMODATIONS OUTSIDE.
I NO LONGER KNOW IF I'M SHAKING FROM THE COLD OR FROM MY NERVES.
SO I APOLOGIZE IF I MISSED THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE EYE CONTACT WITH YOU GUYS.
I'M GWEN BUCKLEY, TWO 11 WICHITA LANE.
I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN WAYNESBURG.
I REMEMBER WHEN ONE 99 STOPPED AT ROUTE FIVE AND WHEN NEW TIME NEW TOWN WAS NOTHING BUT TREES, BUT THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME I'VE WITNESSED GROWTH IN OUR COMMUNITY.
IT IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I FEEL LIKE THE COUNTY PLAN STANDS A CHANCE AT BEING UPHELD RATHER THAN RE REWRITTEN SPEAK LOUDER, PLEASE.
I AM OPPOSED TO THIS REZONING BECAUSE FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS OR SO, THERE HAS BEEN CONSTANT AND RAPID GROWTH WITH NO JUSTIFICATION FOR IT.
THE MASSIVE INFLUX OF PEOPLE ISN'T BRINGING WITH IT, ENTREPRENEURS AND FREETHINKERS OR STOREFRONTS, BOTH NEW AND OLD SIT EMPTY.
AND THIS TREND STARTED LONG BEFORE THE PANDEMIC.
BUT I WANTED THIS CHANCE FOR YOU TO PUT A FACE TO ONE OF THE MANY REQUESTS.
WHAT MAY SEEM TRIVIAL TO THE DEVELOPERS IS DEVASTATING TO US.
I'VE SPENT MANY NIGHTS CRYING, THINKING ABOUT HOW THE PROPOSAL MIGHT CHANGE MY VIEW FROM MY WHAT, SORRY, MIGHT CHANGE THE VIEW FROM MY WINDOW IN THE VALUE OF MY PROPERTY, MY COLDEST HACK HOME ON WHICH TALLINN IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, WHERE YOU PROPOSED SEVEN HOMES WHERE THE ACCESS THROUGH THE EXISTING CUL-DE-SAC, WHICH YOU CLAIM WILL BE SEAMLESSLY INTEGRATED INTO THE COMMUNITY, EXCEPT THAT IT WILL EFFECTIVELY EXTEND THE ROAD AND MAKE MY ONE SECLUDED PROPERTY.
NOW ON A THROUGH STREET, NINE MONTHS AGO, WE PURCHASED THIS.
OUR FIRST HOME IN THE COLDEST SUCKS SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE IT WAS LOCATED IN THE CUL-DE-SAC.
I APOLOGIZE THIS ISN'T TO GET ANY SORT OF RESULT OUT OF WHERE YOU RENTED THE HOUSE FOR SIX YEARS BEFORE WE PURCHASED HERE, WE HAVE SECLUSION INSECURITY.
I KNOW MY NEIGHBORS AND WE WATCH OUT FOR EACH OTHER.
IT'S EASY TO SPOT SOMETHING OUT OF PLACE.
MY DESK FACES THE STREET SO I CAN WATCH ALL THE NEW PUPPIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD GO FOR THEIR FIRST FAMILY JOGS.
AND FROM THE VERY PROPERTY THEY WERE PROPOSING TO BULLDOZE.
WE HAVE A HAWK THAT COMES DOWN TO PERCH ON OUR OFFENSE TO HUNT.
A COUPLE OF TIMES A WEEK, WE HAVE AN OWL.
WE CAN SET OUR CLOCK BY EACH NIGHT.
MAYBE MOST IMPORTANTLY, SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
WE HAVE AN EAGLE, NO MATTER THE RESULT THIS EVENING, PLEASE, I BEG YOU DON'T TAKE AWAY THE WICHITA CLEAN CUL-DE-SAC.
THERE HAS TO BE ANOTHER OPTION AVAILABLE TO YOU AND ADDED LATE.
I JUST HEARD THE GENTLEMEN SPEAK ABOUT THE INTERCHANGE THERE AT 64.
I COME THROUGH THAT AREA AT LIKE 20 MILES AN HOUR BECAUSE EVERYONE ON THEIR BRAKES, IT MAKES LAST MINUTE DECISIONS.
I CAN'T IMAGINE WITH ANOTHER 600 HOMES WORTH OF PEOPLE TO THE DEVELOPERS.
I UNDERSTAND IT'S FRUSTRATING THAT IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE MESSING WITH YOUR PROFIT MARGIN.
YOU GAMBLED ON A PROPERTY ON A LARGE SCALE, BUT CONSIDER THE REVERSE FOR A MOMENT.
EACH OF US HAVE GAMBLED ON OUR PROPERTIES IN MUCH THE SAME WAY.
AND ALTHOUGH OUR INVESTMENTS ARE ON A SMALLER SCALE, THEY'RE NO LESS IMPORTANT THAN YOURS.
I SUSPECT YOUR COMPANY HAS THE ABILITY TO RECOVER FROM THE POTENTIAL CHANGE TO YOUR SCOPE OF WORK.
BUT MANY OF THESE FAMILIES YOU'RE LISTENING TO THIS EVENING MAY SUFFER CRIPPLING LOSS.
IF THEIR INVESTMENT BEGINS TO DEPRECIATE.
THE PEOPLE STANDING OUTSIDE ARE A SMALL REFLECTION OF THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY OPPOSE THIS AND SIMILAR APPLICATIONS, BUT MANY MORE DIDN'T SHOW OUT A FEAR OF RETRIBUTION OR THE FEAR OF PUBLIC SPEAKING TONIGHT MAY BE THE FIRST AND ONLY NIGHT.
YOU SEE MANY OF OUR FACES, BUT PLEASE DON'T MISTAKE OUR FUTURE ABSENCE AS OUR DIFFERENCE.
I HOPE OUR VOICES CONTINUE TO ECHO INTO THE FUTURE AND YOU MAKE SIMILAR DECISIONS.
I LIVE IN ONE OH ONE OH ONE BOWLING BOULEVARD, CARLTON.
BOTH THE SUPERVISORS CITY SENDS A NEIGHBOR THAT THEY'RE OUTSIDE.
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK PUBLICLY HERE IN THIS IMPORTANT MOMENT FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, MY NAME IS TONY
I AM ALSO SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF PRESERVE SMITHFIELD, VIRGINIA.
AND THE MAIN REASON I'M HERE IS TO SUPPORT MY NEIGHBORS FROM TOWN AND OVERALL THE MOVEMENT, UH, PRESERVE FENTON MILL.
ADDITIONALLY, I WILL ALSO LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN TO EVERYONE THAT THIS ISSUE TO BE THE SKEWS HERE TONIGHT IS NOT HAPPENING.
ONLY IN THIS COUNTY, IN OUT OF WHITE AND THE TOWN OFFICE MAYFIELD.
FOR INSTANCE, WE ARE ALSO HAVE, WE ARE ALSO EXPERIENCING HUGE PRESSURE FROM DEVELOPERS WHO WANT
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TO CHANGE THE SHAPE OF COMMUNITIES.THESE DEVELOPERS, WHO MOST OF THE TIME, DON'T ALL LIVE IN OUR COUNTIES.
THEY ONLY WANT TO BUILD IN A RURAL COUNTIES, BIG MEGA DEVELOPMENTS, WHICH WILL REPLACE FORMER FARMS FARMS, WHERE THE FORMER LAND OWNERS HAD TO SELL BECAUSE THEY, THEIR WORK WAS THE WELL-PAID ANYMORE.
YES, FARMERS, THOSE WHO WITH THEIR DAILY HARD WORK MAKE THE FOOD THAT WE HAVE EVERYDAY ON OUR TABLES.
FOR INSTANCE, IN, IN OUR COUNTY, WE ARE EXPECTED TO HAVE MORE THAN 4,000 HOMES.
THE PRESSURE IS REALLY HIGH, BUT WE, THE CITIZENS ARE SPEAKING LOUDLY.
AND CLEARLY LIKE HERE IN THIS COUNTY, WE DON'T WANT OUR COUNTIES AND TOWNS GIVING TO THEIR DEVELOPERS DESIRE.
WE DON'T, WE DO NOT OWN THE COMMUNITIES.
THE COMMUNITIES ARE OWNED BY THE, BY THE NEIGHBORS, TOWNS AND COUNTIES ARE OWNED BY THAT PEOPLE, ALL THESE PRODUCT DEVELOPMENTS ARE DESIGNED TO MAKE THE MAYOR PROFITS FOR THE DEVELOPERS, BY BUILDING MORE HOUSES PER SQUARE FEET AND NOT BRINGING IN ANY IMPROVEMENT TO THE COMMUNITY.
DEVELOPERS ARE NOT GOING TO BE THE NEWEST SCHOOLS FOR OUR CHILDREN'S.
WE ARE GOING TO PAY THIS FOR MORE TAXES.
DEVELOPERS ARE NOT GOING TO BUILD NEW HOSPITALS FOR PEOPLE.
WE ON TWO BABIES FROM OUR TAXES, DEVELOPERS ARE NOT GOING TO IMPROVE OUR ROADS.
WE ARE GOING TO PAY THESE FROM WORK, TEXAS.
AND THE MOST IMPORTANT IS THAT THESE MEGA DEVELOPMENTS ARE EXECUTED FOR, THEY DO MAKE A REVERSIBLE CHANGE IN OUR ENVIRONMENT.
BASICALLY, WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS THAT FROM SMITHVILLE, FROM ISLE OF WHITE, THERE ARE A LOT OF NEIGHBORS THAT ARE LOOKING WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE, AND THEY ARE ENCOURAGING OR COMMUNITIES TO FIGHT.
AND WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THESE KINDS OF DEVELOPMENTS.
MY NAME IS HODA ZACKY AND MY ADDRESS IS TWO ZERO EIGHT REEL AWAY YORKTOWN.
UH, I COME ON BEHALF OF THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN, VOTERS OF THE WILLIAMSBURG AREA FOR 100 YEARS, SINCE WOMEN WON THE RIGHT TO VOTE.
VOTERS HAS BEEN A NONPARTISAN ACTIVISTS, GRASSROOTS ORGANIZATION.
THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS, WILLIAMSBURG AREA HAS PROUDLY SERVED THE AREA OF THE CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG, JAMES CITY, COUNTY, AND UPPER YORK COUNTY.
FOR OVER 50 YEARS, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A MEMBERSHIP OF 315 MEMBERS, MEN, AND WOMEN.
THE LEAGUE WELCOMES THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE INPUT TO THE YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
IN REGARD TO THIS PROJECT, WE HAVE SUFFICIENT RATIONALE IN OUR LAND USE POSITION DESCRIBED BELOW TO COMMENT ON THIS REZONING CASE AND TO OPPOSE THE PROPOSED REZONING, OUR POSITION CONTROLLED GROWTH POLICIES FOR LAND USE ARE NECESSARY FOR THE ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT OF LAND CONTINUED LONG RANGE PLANNING AND DIALOGUE ARE NEEDED TO PROTECT HUMAN NEEDS, AIR RESOURCES, AND THE ENVIRONMENT.
FURTHERMORE, ADEQUATE FUNDING AND ENFORCEMENT STRATEGIES.
COUPLED WITH THE COOPERATION AMONGST GOVERNING BODIES ARE NEEDED TO ENSURE THAT THE ISSUES RELATING TO OPEN SPACE, AGRICULTURE, TRANSPORTATION, ET CETERA, ARE ADDRESSED.
WHY DISSEMINATION AND CITIZEN PARTICIPATION RELATING TO THE RESOLUTION OF THESE LAND ISSUES ARE ESSENTIAL.
OUR REASON FOR TAKING THIS POSITION ARE ONE.
WE BELIEVE THAT CITIZEN PARTICIPATION IS VITAL TO THE PLANNING PROCESS FOR YOU.
AVAILABILITY TO CITIZENS HAS BEEN HAMPERED IN THE PAST AND NEEDS TO BE RECTIFIED TO THIS PROPOSED REZONING IS A SECOND LARGEST EVER CONSIDERED AND WILL HAVE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON TRAFFIC AND QUALITY OF LIFE.
THE IMPACT WILL BE EXPERIENCED BY RESIDENTS ALSO LIVING IN UPPER JAMES CITY COUNTY BECAUSE OF ITS PROXIMITY TO THE PROJECT.
THUS, THE LEAGUE WOULD URGE MORE COOPERATION WITH JAMES CITY COUNTY IN ADDRESSING THESE CONCERNS.
THE DEVELOPER APPEARS TO DEDICATE 68 ACRES OF LAND FOR PUBLIC USE, BUT HE DOES NOT PROVIDE ANY LEGALLY BINDING LANGUAGE TO SUGGEST THAT THAT WILL HAPPEN OR THAT YOUR COUNTY WILL NOT USE THE LAND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.
IT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT THE DEVELOPER BRINGS SUFFICIENT ECONOMIC OR QUALITY OF LIFE BENEFITS TO JUSTIFY THE REZONING FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL,
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THE ELECTED AND APPOINTED LEADERS NEED TO CONSIDER THE CONCERNS OF THE RESIDENTS THAT THEY SERVE.THANK YOU, LAURA LAWRENCE NAME, ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
DO YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES? THANK YOU.
UH, MY NAME IS LAURA LAWRENCE AND I LIVE WITH MY HUSBAND AT ONE 16 SHADY BLUFF POINT, UH, IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE FENTON MILL PROPERTY.
WE CAME TO THIS AREA OVER 22 YEARS AGO, UM, DRAWN BY THE BEAUTY OF THE AREA, HAVING LIVED IN THE BALTIMORE DC AREA AND IN OTHER STATES, UH, FOR MANY YEARS IN OUR PROFESSIONAL LIVES, WE WERE DRAWN TO THIS COMMUNITY IN PART BECAUSE OF AN ADVERTISEMENT THAT MID ATLANTIC HAD, UH, REGARDING THE COMMUNITY.
AND I QUOTE SPECIAL BECAUSE OF ITS NATURAL VIEWS, UNDISTURBED NATURE, AND SECLUDED PRIVACY.
THAT FACT, AND THE FACT THAT, UH, THE PROXIMITY TO COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG WERE VERY IMPORTANT DRAWS FOR US.
WE WERE NOT LOOKING TO DOWNSIZE, UM, AS HAS BEEN SUGGESTED.
IN FACT, WE WERE LOOKING FOR MORE PRIVACY AND SO WE PURCHASED PROPERTY WITH A COUPLE OF ACRES AND, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, I'M A CERTAIN, UH, WHITE HAIRED LADY OF A CERTAIN AGE AND MY HUSBAND EVEN A LITTLE BIT OLDER AND WE HAVE NO PLANS TO MOVE TO SOMETHING SMALLER, UM, AND LESS TROUBLESOME.
UH, I, IN FACT, JOKE ALL THE TIME THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE A CANNON TO GET ME OUT OF THAT PROPERTY.
IT IS BEAUTIFUL WHEN I'M AWAY FROM THE COMMUNITY.
I SAY, IF I SEE THE SIGN FOR LIGHTFOOT, THAT'S THE MOST BEAUTIFUL SIGN IN THE WORLD BECAUSE IT MEANS THAT AS AROUND THE CORNER, AS THE ROAD RISES UP IN FRONT OF ME, AS YOU SAID, MISS KNOLL, I KNOW THAT I WILL SEE BLUE BIRDS AND HAWKS AND OWLS AND WINDING COUNTRY ROADS AND A WAY OF LIFE THAT IS VERY RARE AND VERY SPECIAL.
THIS IS A WILLIAMSBURG TREASURE, AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL COMMIT TO PRESERVING THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WE HAVE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, JOHN HERMAN.
STATE JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME IS JOHN HERMAN AND I LIVE AT ONE, ONE SEVEN WILSON DRIVE AND THE SKIMMING OF THE FARMS NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I HAD SOME PREPARED REMARKS TONIGHT, BUT, UH, YOU'VE HEARD MOST OF THEM BEFORE.
SO I'M GOING TO GO OFF THE CUFF.
UH, AND I'M GOING TO ANSWER A QUESTION FOR YOU.
SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION STRUGGLED WITH AND MR. CROSS, AND MR. HARRIS CAN CERTAINLY ATTEST, THEY COULDN'T COME UP WITH A DEFINITION FOR WHAT IS RURAL.
AND I HEARD THAT QUESTION IN MANY SESSIONS.
WHAT DOES RURAL, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE RURAL? SO I'M GOING TO TELL YOU A BRIEF STORY.
RURAL IS HAVING YOUR NEIGHBOR WAVE YOUR, YOUR YOUNG SON OVER, ACROSS A YARD TO SHOW HIM A HOLE THAT HE'D BLOWN IN HIS DECK WITH THE SHOTGUN, DISPATCHING A COPPERHEAD THAT HE GOT ON HIS DECK.
THAT'S THE ESSENCE OF RURAL HAVING SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENED AND NOT BE THE LEAST BIT CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
IT DIDN'T WARN ME THAT HE HAD A FARM ON HIS PROPERTY THAT HE DISCHARGED AT FIREARM, OR THAT HE'D KILLED A SNAKE OR SHOWING MY SON THAT IS RURAL.
THAT MAN WAS A CHILDHOOD AND LIFELONG FRIEND OF JIMMY MALONEY, WHO YOU MAY KNOW, FOUNDED AND OPERATED THE POTTERY FACTORY FOR MANY, MANY YEARS UP TO HIS DEATH.
SO UNDERSTAND, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THAT OUR TIES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY RUN VERY DEEP.
AND AGAIN, THAT IS THE ESSENCE OF RURAL.
SO IT'S HARD TO GROW UP IN THIS KIND OF AREA WITHOUT APPRECIATING HISTORY.
SO I WENT BACK AND I FOUND A QUOTE FROM 1780 FROM JOHN ADAMS. HE SAID THAT GOVERNMENT IS INSTITUTED FOR THE COMMON GOOD FOR THE PROTECTION, SAFETY, PROSPERITY, AND HAPPINESS, THE PEOPLE AND NOT FOR THE PROFIT HONOR OR PRIVATE INTEREST, IF ANY ONE MAN, FAMILY OR
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CLASS OF MEN, IT'S NOT THE JOB OF GOVERNMENT TO PROTECT INDIVIDUALS OR BUSINESSES FROM THE CONSEQUENCES OF BAD DECISIONS.SO IN THIS CASE, THE DEVELOPER HAS CLEARLY MADE A BAD DECISION IN FAILING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT RUMI IS AND WHO WE ARE AS A PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
HE'S COMING TO YOU NOW ASKING YOU FOR RELIEF FROM THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT DECISION.
AND IT'S NOT THE JOB OF GOVERNMENT AT ANY LEVEL TO DO THAT.
IT'S STROMA STATED JAVA GOVERNMENT IS TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE AND PROTECT THE BEST INTEREST OF THOSE PEOPLE.
AS A CITIZEN TO DISTRICT ONE, I CAN TELL YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT DEVELOPER'S BOTTOM LINE IS NOT ON MY LIST OF CONCERNS AND IT SHOULD NOT BE ON YOURS.
I LIVE AT ONE OH THREE MARINA POINT.
I CHOSE MY MASK VERY CAREFULLY TONIGHT.
IT'S GOT QUESTION MARKS ALL OVER IT.
QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE THAT AREN'T BEING ANSWERED FROM HERE.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS A BIG ANSWER AND THEY'RE STILL QUESTIONS FROM 2015 TO 2035 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAID 1400 HOUSES WOULD BE BUILT, BUT FROM 2015 TO 2020, ALMOST 4,000 HOUSES WERE BUILT QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.
THIS WHOLE THING JUST DOES NOT FIT.
AND PEOPLE HAVE WORKED SO HARD ON THIS AND IT'S NOT FOR PROFIT.
THESE ARE OUR LIVES AND THESE ARE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS THAT ONLY YOU FOLKS CAN HANDLE.
SO, UM, WHEN MR. MEYERS SAID BACK IN JUNE OF 2020, THERE'S NO WAY THIS IS A HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT QUESTIONS.
WE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND WE NEED SOME ANSWERS AND WE NEED THE ANSWER TO BE NO REZONING.
THIS IS THE LAST PINK CARD THAT I HAVE ANYBODY DOWN IN THE TENT, OR THIS IS COMING UP FOR YOUR LAST CHANCE.
SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO CALL ON MR. RON.
YOU HAVE STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
UM, LET ME KEEP ON GOING RIGHT HERE.
I WOULD ASK IF WE COULD PROJECT THAT TO THE FOLKS OUTSIDE THE SLIDE FOR A MOMENT, RON, STRUBLE TWO ZERO FIVE SHADY BLUFF POINT, LEESBURG, VIRGINIA, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
AND, UH, THE YEAR JOURNEY THAT I'VE BEEN ON, UH, AND I'M STILL NOT SURE HOW I BECAME PART OF THE LEADERSHIP TEAM AT FENTON MILL, BUT THEY'VE INVITED ME IN, I JUST WANT TO TAKE A STEP BACK FOR A MOMENT AND ZOOM BACK OUT FROM TONIGHT, BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE HEARD A LOT ON THE FENTON MILL, UM, REZONING APPLICATION.
THIS DATA HERE COMES FROM THE COUNTY, UH, COUNTY PLANNING OFFICE.
I HAVE A MATH DEGREE AND, UH, I JUST DID SOME ANALYSIS ON IT, KIND OF TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER WHAT REALLY HAS GOING ON IN THE COUNTY LAST FEW YEARS.
AND TO ME, IT JUST TELLS A STORY.
IF THIS APPLICATION IS APPROVED, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO 3,970 HOMES BUILT, APPROVED, OR PROPOSED.
AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANT NUMBER.
NOT EVERY ONE OF THOSE HAS BEEN BUILT, AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION I WANT TO MAKE.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER THERE, FOUR 40, THAT'S WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PREDICTED 440.
AS OF TODAY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE GREEN LINE THERE ON THE BUY-RITE DEVELOPMENTS, THERE'S BEEN THREE PILOT PLANTATION COUNTRY CLUB ACRES, COFFIELD MANNER, AS BEST I UNDERSTAND.
AND IF YOU LOOK, WE ARE RIGHT ON TRACK.
AS THE PLAN PREDICTED YOU GET INTO THE ORANGE, AND THOSE ARE ALL REZONINGS AND SPECIAL USE PERMITS, AND YOU SEE WHERE IT GETS GONE, WILDLY AWRY.
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IS JUST DISTRICT ONE.SO THE COMP PLAN PREDICTED A TOTAL OF 1,500 POEMS BY 2040 OR 2035.
WE ARE AT TONIGHT LOOKING AT 3,970.
THIS IS THE WHERE IT'S GONE WRONG.
I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS FOR MONTHS AND HOW THIS HAS HAPPENED.
AND I GO BACK TO MY MATH EXPERIENCE.
IS IT BECAUSE THE BOARD INTENTIONALLY HAS DONE THIS? I ABSOLUTELY NOT.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY WOULD BELIEVE THAT, IS IT BY ACCIDENT? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
I BELIEVE THIS IS A RESULT OF THIS BOARD NOT BEING PRESENTED ALL OF THE DATA AVAILABLE TO YOU TO MAKE THE MOST INFORMED DECISIONS.
AND I APPRECIATE OUR COUNTY STAFF, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE TO DO A BETTER JOB OF PRESENTING DATA TO THIS BOARD.
BEFORE THESE DECISIONS ARE MADE, WHAT KIND OF DATA? THE TRAFFIC SURVEYS, THEY'RE NOT HOLISTIC.
THEY'RE THEY'RE LITTLE SPECKS OF DIRT OR INFORMATION.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT LITTLE SPECK OF DIRT, NOW WE'VE GOT LIGHTFOOT ROAD AND KELTON STATION AND A DISASTER ON A LEVEL OF SERVICE F ROAD THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
WE HAVE SCHOOLS AND OUR FINANCIAL REPORTS THAT HAVE BEEN POINTED OUT THAT DON'T EVEN LOOK AT THE CAPITAL COSTS OF ADDITIONAL STUDENTS FOR THIS ONE, 150 MORE STUDENTS.
IF THE REZONING IS APPROVED ABOVE WHAT HE'S ALLOWED, THAT'S $16.5 MILLION, BUT HE'S OFFERING $800,000 WORTH OF LAND.
SO I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU DENY THIS REZONING AND WE BEGAN A JOURNEY, ESPECIALLY AS WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE 20, 40 COMP PLAN TO BEGIN TO START TO MAKE THIS DRAFT, THIS GRAPH GO IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
PLEASE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
I APPRECIATE, UM, THE TIME AND EFFORT YOU ALL HAVE PUT IN.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU GUYS TO VOTE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. STORYVILLE, ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE? ALL RIGHT.
SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? WELL, WE'LL MOVE.
WELL, I BELIEVE THAT WE EITHER VOTE THE APPLICATION UP OR WE VOTED DOWN.
AND IF, IF YOU WANT TO GIVE REASONING FOR YOUR VOTE OF YOU HAVE TO DO FOR THE LAST, UH, TWO HOURS OR SO, UH, WE'VE HEARD 25 PEOPLE COME TO THE MIC AND GIVE THEIR REASONS WHY THE APPLICATION SHOULD BE DISAPPROVED.
IN MY OPINION, STEMS FROM THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I'M IN MY 26TH YEAR, ALONG WITH MRS. DOLE, THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A MOSAIC, A COVENANT BETWEEN THE COUNTY, THE ELECTED BODY, THE INTEREST GROUPS THAT COMPRISE THE AREA AND THE CITIZENS.
IT GETS REVIEWED EVERY FIVE YEARS.
IT LAYS OUT THE WAY THE CITIZENS BOTTOM LINE.
WE DON'T WORK FOR SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS WITHOUT WORK FOR THE STAFF.
WE WORK FOR THE FOLKS WHO VOTE US INTO OFFICE.
AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS OF COURSE, I'LL ADMIT THAT, UH, WE MADE A LOT OF MISTAKES.
WE'VE APPROVED MUCH MORE THAN WE SHOULD HAVE.
AND A LOT OF THAT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN AS IT EXISTED, AS WE WENT THROUGH THE APPROVAL OR DENIALS OF SUCH THINGS AS KELTON STATION WILLIAMSBURG, THE RESERVE WILLIAMSBURG ARBORDALE AND SO ON.
BUT WE REACHED A POINT WHERE AGAIN, IN MY OPINION, REPRESENTING THE UPPER COUNTY ENOUGH WAS ENOUGH, RIGHT? AND IT'S TIME TO LOOK AT THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
NOW IT'S UNDER REVIEW RIGHT NOW.
IT'S GOT REPRESENTATION ACROSS THE, THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL SEE WHERE THAT REVIEW TAKES US.
BUT RIGHT NOW, THIS PROPOSAL IS INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE COMP PLAN LAYS OUT.
IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE INTEREST OF THE CITIZENS.
AND I CAN'T DO ONE IOTA'S BETTER THAN WHAT WE EVER DENIED FROM 25 DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
ALL OF WHOM WERE OPPOSED, NOT ONE OTHER THAN THE DEVELOPER WHO WAS IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSAL.
I THINK I'D LIKE TO THANK THE STAFF FOR ALL THE
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WORK THAT THEY HAVE DONE ON THIS.IT'S BEEN A LONG, LONG PROCESS.
I'D LIKE TO TAKE THE DEVELOPER FOR TRYING TO LISTEN TO WHAT THE PEOPLE HAD TO SAY AND TRYING TO MODIFY TO THE BEST.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVE A FEELING THAT THERE WERE SO MANY DIFFERENT IDEAS THAT WAS NOT FEASIBLE FOR THEM TO HANDLE ALL OF IT AND DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO COME.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I DROVE THROUGH THAT AREA TODAY AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
AND I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT SCORE.
WHAT YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WILL BE DEVELOPMENT THERE.
AND IF THEY, IF THIS IS VOTED DOWN TONIGHT, THERE'LL BE OTHER PLANS THAT WILL COME IN THE FUTURE.
SO YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT A COUNTY DOES NOT STAND STILL, BUT I REALLY WANT TO TELL YOU THAT I, HOW MUCH I APPRECIATED THE DEMEANOR OF EVERYBODY WHO CAME TO SPEAK TO US, BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN A HIGHLY EMOTIONALLY CHARGED TIME.
I HAVE TO SAY, I'M NOT SO SURE THAT I APPRECIATED ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED VIA EMAIL.
UM, LIKE I LIKE TO SAY THAT I WAS LESS PRELEASED WHERE THE ALLEGATIONS THAT MADE BY SOME, ESPECIALLY LOVE THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE GREED OF BUILDERS AND POLITICIANS.
I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU HOW INSULTING THAT, THAT WAS PERSONALLY FOR ME TO HEAR PEOPLE FEEL THAT THIS BOARD HAS BEEN, AND IS LISTENED SOLELY TO DEVELOPERS.
WE MAY REPRESENT A WRONG WE'RE ELECTED FROM OUR OWN DISTRICT, BUT WE REPRESENT THE WHOLE COUNTY.
WE REP AND WE WORK HARD FOR THE WELLBEING OF THE WHOLE COUNTY, NOT JUST OUR OWN DISTRICT.
AND, AND WHAT YOU'VE SAID ABOUT STAFF.
I REALLY DIDN'T LIKE SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS, EITHER STAFF AS THE BOARD ARE PUBLIC SERVANTS.
THEY WORK FOR THE COUNTY BECAUSE THEY WANT TO MAKE THE COUNTY BETTER, IS AS MUCH AS THEY CAN.
AND SO I GOT TO TELL YOU IT'S SOMETIMES WHEN YOU GET THESE COMMENTS WRITTEN, IT'S, IT'S HARD PERSONALLY FOR ME TO MAINTAIN MY OBJECTIVITY.
AND THAT IS ONE THING THAT I AM VERY PROUD OF BECAUSE I HAVE MAINTAINED MY OBJECTIVITY FOR ALMOST 25 YEARS.
I, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT STAFF HAS SAID, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CITIZENS HAVE SAID.
AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS SAID.
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE VITRIOL AND THE SNIDE REMARKS THAT SOME PEOPLE PUT INTO THEIR EMAILS.
AND, BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT EACH AGENT, EACH OF US HAVE READ EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE EMAILS AND RESPONDED WHEN WE NEEDED TO RESPOND.
AND I THANK YOU, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE WHO CAME OUT THIS EVENING AND EXPRESSED YOUR CONCERNS AND SHARED WITH US HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M VERY PROUD TO BE IN YOUR COUNTY, EVEN THOUGH I LIVE IN KILL CREEK, I KILL CREEK IS A SPECIAL PLACE.
WE EACH BUY A HOUSE IN AN AREA BECAUSE WE THINK THAT AREA IS SPECIAL.
AND IT'S A COMBINATION OF ALL TYPES OF HOUSING THAT WE HAVE IN YOUR COUNTY THAT THE BUILDERS HAVE GIVEN US THAT MAKES THIS PLACE SPECIAL, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO BE SPECIAL.
SO, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY CAME OUT TONIGHT AND ALSO SEND EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS TO GIVE FEEDBACK ON, ON THIS PROPOSAL.
UM, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE NEED TO MAKE OUR DECISIONS BASED ON A NUMBER OF THINGS AND GETTING FEEDBACK FROM THE CITIZENS ON THEIR PREFERENCE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER IS IT'S INSTRUMENTAL TO THE, TO THOSE DECISIONS.
AND I, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE GETTING THAT FEEDBACK.
IT HELPS US DO A BETTER JOB UP HERE IN ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO DO.
I WANT TO SAY IT'S A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, MR. MEYERS INVITED TO JOIN HIM AND HIS DEVELOPMENT TEAM AT THEIR OFFICE TO GO OVER THEIR VISION AND THEIR PLAN.
UH, WE HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION.
UM, I LEARNED A LOT THERE, UH, UH, LEARN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LAND DEVELOPMENT THAN I DID.
DIDN'T KNOW I'M A SOFTWARE DEVELOPER, IF ANYTHING, NOT A LAND DEVELOPER, BUT I LEARNED A LITTLE BIT MORE THAT NIGHT.
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AFTER TALKING WITH THEM AND GIVE SOME FEEDBACK, SOME OTHER FROM OTHER FOLKS I'VE LEARNED TO HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT FOR THEM.I THINK THEY'RE VERY GOOD AT THEIR, AT WHAT THEY DO IN LAND DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK THEY BROUGHT A LOT OF VALUE ADD INTO THE, INTO THE COUNTY.
UM, LIKEWISE I'VE HAD SOME GREAT CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE WITH THE PRESERVE AND MILL, UM, FOUNDATION AND OTHER OTHER FOLKS IN THAT PART OF THE COUNTY.
AND I HAVE RECEIVED SOME GREAT FEEDBACK THERE, THERE ARE SOME, UH, VERY INTELLIGENT AND INFORMED PEOPLE GIVING ME SOME INSIGHTFUL FEEDBACK ACROSS THE BOARD.
AND EVEN HERE TONIGHT, A LOT OF LITTLE DETAILS GET PICKED UP ON THAT.
I MAY NOT HAVE OTHERWISE THOUGHT OF ABOUT MYSELF.
AGAIN, TRYING TO OPERATE IN A VACUUM IS A, IS A LOSE, LOSE SITUATION.
SO THE FEEDBACK AGAIN IS IMPORTANT.
LOOKING AT THE PLAN THAT PROPOSED THERE'S A LOT TO LIKE ABOUT THAT DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S A LOT LIKE ABOUT THAT PLAN.
IT BRINGS A LOT OF AMENITIES THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD LIKE.
IT BRINGS SOME IMPROVEMENT TO THAT, TO THAT AREA.
UM, I'M A LITTLE BIT DISAPPOINTED THAT THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM AND THE RESIDENTS COULDN'T GET CLOSE TOGETHER ON A PLAN THAT EVERYBODY LIKED AND COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH.
I THINK THERE ARE SOME GOING TO BE SOME LOST OPPORTUNITIES ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, HOWEVER, HOWEVER, THIS GOES AT THE END OF THE NIGHT.
UM, BUT AS MUCH AS I LIKE THAT PLAN MUCH AS IT LIKES TO BE A PLACE I WOULD LIKE TO GO VISIT, I MAY NOT BE A PLACE WHERE I WOULD MOVE TO.
UH, BUT OTHERS MAY, I HAVE SOME BIG CONCERNS ABOUT, AND WE DISCUSSED TONIGHT.
I MIGHT IMPACT THE STUDENT POPULATION, TRAFFIC CONCERNS, THOSE ROADS, THE CAPABILITY OF CARRYING NOW THAT THE TRAFFIC THERE, IT IS IN STARK CONTRAST TO WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS.
AND THIS IS MR. RUMBA MENTIONING, YOU KNOW, THAT IN.
AND I THINK MR. UH, WELL, SOME, SOME OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING, THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S JUST PUT TOGETHER QUICKLY, OVERNIGHT THAT IS VETTED AND IT IS DISCUSSED AND LOTS OF IMPACT TO IT.
AND YOU CAN'T JUST IGNORE IT WHEN YOU WANT TO DO A DIFFERENT THING.
SO IT GOES INTO DIRECT VIAL OR STARK CONTRAST TO THAT.
AND I THINK THERE ARE SOME FIRE LIFE SAFETY IMPACTS AS WELL, UM, WITH THE PLAN AS IT EXISTS TODAY.
SO I ASKED THEM A BIT CONCERNS THERE.
AND AT THE END OF THE NIGHT, CLEARLY IT IS NOT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE WHO CAME TO SPEAK TONIGHT.
THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT.
AND THAT THAT'S A BIG FACTOR AS WELL.
SO AGAIN, A LOT, LIKE THERE, SOME BIG CONCERNS, A LITTLE BIT DISAPPOINTED THAT THE GROUP'S GOING TO GET TOGETHER BETTER, GET TOGETHER BETTER AND COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT EVERYBODY LIKES.
BUT TONIGHT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE JUST, WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN WE'RE DISCUSSING, WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO WORK AGAINST SHARPER.
UM, I WAS PRETTY IMPRESSED BY THE, UH, BY THE ARGUMENTS MADE BY THE RESIDENTS.
UM, AND, AND BY LAMONT AND FOR THE DEVELOPER, EVERYBODY HAD TO REALLY GREAT POINTS.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY CONVEYS TO THE BOARD SUPERVISORS ARE YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCES AND WHERE YOU LIVE AND WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE.
UM, YEAH, WE SERVE AS YOUR, AS REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE WHOLE END OF THE COUNTY.
AND IF YOU PUT A PERSPECTIVE UP IN A WALTZ DISTRICT, UH, THERE'S ABOUT, IT'S ABOUT 32 PEOPLE, UM, PRETTY CLOSE TO 32 PEOPLE PER SQUARE MILE.
ON AVERAGE IN THE COUNTY, IT'S ABOUT 600 IN 29, 630 PEOPLE PER SQUARE MILE.
ON AVERAGE, MY DISTRICT DISTRICT FIVE IS ABOUT 2100 PEOPLE PER SQUARE MILE.
IT'S ONE OF THE, IT'S THE SMALLEST DISTRICT LAND-WISE AND IT'S GOT A TON OF PEOPLE IN THERE.
UM, AND AT THE TIME WHEN IT WAS BEING BUILT OUT, IF YOU WILL, THERE WAS NO ONE, NO GROUP TO REALLY DEFEND IT.
UM, IT WAS ALL RAW LAND BURROW PITS, THE WILSON'S ON THEIR FARM TO TAILORS ON THEIR FARM, UH, AND, UH, OVER TIME THAT HAS EVOLVED AND HAS GONE AWAY, BUT THERE WAS NO ONE THERE TO DEFEND IT.
AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW IS A POINT WHERE I THINK THE, THE CITIZENS, UH, ARE ABLE IN MASS TO SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING AROUND THEM AND ARE ABLE TO STEP FORWARD AND PRESENT, UH, SOME REALLY, UH, COGENT ARGUMENTS FOR WHY THEY WANT TO SEE THINGS THE WAY THEY WANT TO SEE THEM ALSO IN MY DISTRICT, BY THE WAY, WE STILL HAVE ONE OF THE LAST FEW FARMS AND IT'S A BIG ONE, OKAY.
RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE THAT PEOPLE RIDE HORSES AND, AND THEY'D RUN UP AND DOWN THE ROADS AND EVERYBODY'S DOWN THERE.
IT SEEMS A REAL LOVE WITH WHERE THEY'RE LIVING GOT BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOODS AND IT'S ALL WORK HANGING OUT.
UM, BUT THE, THE SAD PART IS THAT FOR THOSE THAT HAVE LIVED HERE FOR A LONG TIME, YOU SEE THIS, IT JUST, THE DEVELOPMENT JUST KIND OF OVERWHELMS, UH, OVERWHELMS EVERYBODY.
UH, PRIOR TO, UH, SHEILA COMING INTO OFFICE, THE COUNTY GROWTH WAS ABOUT 5%.
NOW THAT'S OUT OF CONTROL GROWTH THAT IS REALLY OUT OF CONTROL GROWTH.
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BACK TO THE EIGHTIES, UH, YOU GO BACK INTO THE SEVENTIES, YOU SEE WHERE THE GROWTH JUST EXPLODED AND HE GOT OUT OF CONTROL AND NO ONE COULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO PUT IT TOGETHER AND HOW TO SLOW IT DOWN.FINALLY, USING ZONING, USING ZONING PROPERLY, AND YEAH, LOOKING NOT SO MUCH AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT LOOKING AT ZONING, WE WERE ABLE TO CLAMP IT DOWN.
AND WE'RE SAY WE HAD A NOTIONAL BUILD-OUT OF AROUND 80,000 PEOPLE.
I THINK THAT'S STILL A GOOD, VALID NUMBER, BUT AT ONE TIME IT WAS 130,000 PEOPLE.
SO IT'S THE EFFORTS BY THE BOARD TO SOMEHOW WORK THIS, UH, SO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO ALL MEET THE, ALL THE OBJECTIVES THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO HAVE.
SO YOU MADE IT CLEAR IN THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO LIVE IN A RURAL SETTING.
YOUR COUNTY'S NOT RURAL BY THE WAY, IT'S MAYBE RURAL IN PARTS, BUT IT'S NOT RURAL, UH, ALL OVER.
AND, UM, AND WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND THAT OWNERS OF THE LAND HAVE CERTAIN RIGHTS.
IN FACT, THEY HAVE VERY IMPORTANT RIGHTS.
YOU OWN YOUR PIECE OF PROPERTY.
I DON'T CARE IF IT'S 7,000 SQUARE FEET, OR IF IT'S HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF ACRES, YOU HAVE RIGHTS TO YOUR LAND, THEN YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO, UH, HAVE DO THOSE EXPRESS THOSE RIGHTS AND WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH YOUR PROPERTY.
I'LL WE SOLD OUR FARM IN FLORIDA BECAUSE IT JUST GOT TO BE, IT WAS IN THE CITY.
UM, AND LIKE HERE, IT JUST GOT TO BE, GOT TO BE CROWDED TOO CROWDED TO BE ABLE TO FARM ANYMORE.
SO WE HAVE TO BALANCE OUT THESE RIGHTS.
NOW, THE THING IS CITIZENS IN A COMMUNITY, YOU ARE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS THE COMMUNITY YOU WANT TO LIVE IN.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IF YOU DON'T PARTICIPATE IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU GET WHATEVER CAN BE GUESSED AT, BUT BY GETTING UP AND STATING THAT THIS IS WHAT, HOW I WANT TO LIVE, THIS IS THE ENVIRONMENT I WANT TO LIVE IN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THROUGH THE GOVERNMENTS OF THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, AS ABLE TO USE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, TO GIVE A KIND OF A KENTUCKY WINDAGE TO WHAT WE WANT TO SEE.
AND THEN WHAT YOU DO IS YOU SET THE ZONING AND YOU SET THAT ZONING AS AN INDICATOR IS A CLEAR UP STATEMENT OF WHAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN EASILY DO WITHIN A COMMUNITY.
YOU WANDER OFF WANDER OFF THAT ZONING TO NEED SPECIAL USE PERMITS, OR PERMISSION TO DO IT.
YOU'VE GOT TO RUN INTO A PROBLEM BECAUSE THAT IS THE GUIDE FOR HOW THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO FEEL ABOUT THINGS, WHETHER IT'S PARKS, RUNNING TRAILS, ROADS, NEIGHBORHOOD, DENSITY, WHATEVER.
SO I REALLY WANT TO SAY THAT I APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE YOUR SHARING YOUR EXPERIENCES.
I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION THAT THE MONT AND, UH, UH, IN MID ATLANTIC AND BUDDY AND THOSE GUYS HAVE, UH, PUT TOGETHER THERE.
UM, I, UM, I HAVE A LITTLE TROUBLE WHEN ONE SIDE KIND OF SLAMS THE OTHER OVER, UH, OF OVER HOW, HOW DEVELOPERS WANT TO FEEL ABOUT THEIR PROPERTY OR HOW THEY WANT TO DEVELOPER.
IF YOU OWN PROPERTY, YOU DEVELOP IT.
HOWEVER YOU WANT, BUT YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
SO I WANTED TO JUST REALLY STRESS THAT INVOLVEMENT BY THE CITIZENS, GETTING UP, TALKING TO US, TELLING US WHAT YOU WANT IS A SIGNIFICANT INFLUENCE.
SO I WANT TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND FOR SHARING YOUR EXPERIENCES AND APPRECIATE THAT.
AND BEFORE I ASKED THE BOARD FOR A MOTION, UH, SOMEONE TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS, UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY EVERYONE WHO CONTACTED ME, CALL ME, SEND EMAILS, UH, STOP ME IN COSTCO.
UM, WROTE ON PACKAGES ON MY FRONT DOOR.
UH, SOME YOU GOT SOMEBODY INFLUENCING UPS OR POSTAL SERVICE.
I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE, BUT, UH, APPRECIATE EVERYTHING.
AND WHEN WE DO LISTEN, UH, AND THE BOARD WILL ALWAYS LISTEN AND DO WHAT'S RIGHT? SO WITH THAT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT SOMEONE LIKE TO MOVE THIS, MR. RAMBO, MOVE A MOVE OR A MOTION TO, UH, 21, THREE IS APPROVED, BUT ORDINANCE NUMBER 21, THE ROOT CAUSE BY MY MAKING A SEPARATE MOTION OR WHAT? NO, IT'S A MOTION TO MOVE ORDINANCE.
IT'S THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE TO APPROVE.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. ZAREMBA AS TO ADOPT PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 21 DASH THREE, TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED MR. ZAREMBA.
NO, MR. GREEN, NO MOTION FAILED.
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LET'S MOVE INTO UNFINISHED BUSINESS SCENE.WE HAVE NO UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
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LET'S MOVE INTO THE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM.NUMBER TWO, WITH THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
ITEM THREE, THE CONSENT CALENDAR GRANT FOR THE CHILDREN'S AND FAMILIES.
NUMBER FOUR, THE EMPLOYEE OF THE QUARTER, ERICA ALDERMAN, NUMBER FIVE, COMMANDING THE RETIREE EMPLOYEE MS. SANTA DRAKE, ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? IF WE DON'T ALL MOVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR MOUNTAIN CORK CONSENT CALENDAR HAS BEEN MOVED.
THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLE IS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED MRS. NOLE.
WE HAVE NO CLUE WHO'S MEETING.
UH, AT THIS TIME, OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING WILL BE HELD TUESDAY, APRIL 6TH, 6:00 PM.
AND THAT WILL BE A VIRTUAL MEETING.
UH, AND THEN HOPEFULLY THE NEXT MEETING WE'LL BE BACK IN PERSON.