[1. Call to Order]
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GOOD EVENING.THIS MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER.
IT IS FEBRUARY 10TH, 2021 FOR THE RECORD.
THIS IS A MEETING OF THE YORK COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION BEING HELD BY ELECTRONIC MEANS WITHOUT A QUORUM BEING PHYSICALLY ASSEMBLED IN ONE PLACE PURSUANT TO AN EMERGENCY ORDINANCE ADOPTED BY THE YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON JUNE THE 16TH 2020.
THIS MEETING IS BEING HELD REMOTELY UNDER THE EMERGENCY CONTINUE CONTENT CONTINUITY OF GOVERNMENT ORDINANCE ADOPTED THEIR CODE OF VIRGINIA SECTION 15.2 DASH 1413, ALLOWING PUBLIC MEETINGS OF COUNTY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, AND AUTHORITIES TO MEET REMOTELY.
THIS ACTION WAS TAKEN BECAUSE OF THE HEALTH EMERGENCY RESULTING FROM THE CORONA VIRUS PANDEMIC, MAKING AN ASSEMBLY OF THE COMMISSION AND STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IN ONE PLACE UNSAFE BECAUSE OF THE HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS NATURE OF THE CORONA VIRUS PANDEMIC.
AS WITH ALL LIVE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS.
THIS MEETING IS AVAILABLE TO WATCH LIVE ON W Y C G TV COX CABLE CHANNEL 46, VERIZON FILES CHANNEL 38 OR LIVE STREAMING@YOURCOUNTY.GOV BACKSLASH TV.
I AM MICHAEL KING COMMISSION CHAIR, AND I'M SITTING IN THE BOARDROOM OF YOUR CALL.
OTHER COMMISSION MEMBERS PARTICIPATING REMOTELY, ARMANI JOHNS GLENN TITUS, ROBERT CRINER, PETE PETERMAN, AND BRUCE STARK COUNTY STAFF PRESENT OR PARTICIPATING REMOTELY ARE TIM KRAUSE, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
JUSTIN ATKINS, ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY AMY PARKER, SENIOR PLANNER, EARL ANDERSON, SENIOR PLANNER, AND DARIA LINSON BIGLER PLANNING ASSISTANT.
WITH THAT I'D LIKE TO ASK MISS
[2. Roll Call]
LINSON BIGLER TO PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.MR. JOHNS, MR. TITUS MISLAID, MR. KING, MR. CRINER.
YOU'RE MR. STARK, MR. PETERMAN.
DO YOU HAVE A QUORUM? THANK YOU, MISS LENS AND BIGLER.
[3. Pledge of Allegiance]
NOW TO PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[4. Approve Minutes – January 13, 2021]
ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF OUR MINUTES, JANUARY 3RD TEETH.ARE THERE ANY CHANGES, ADDITIONS OR AMENDMENTS TO THE MEETING MINUTES AS PRESENTED? OKAY.
I'M HEARING NON, SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF OUR MINUTES.
GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM JANUARY 13, 2021.
MS. LENZEN BIGLER, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MOTION BY MR. CRINER IS TO ADOPT THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF JANUARY 30TH, 2021.
YOU'RE ON MUTE, BUT IF YOU CAN HEAR US JUST RAISE YOUR HAND.
YES, THE MOTION PASSES SIX TO ZERO.
[5. Citizen Comments]
ALL RIGHT.UH, NOW IT'S TIME FOR OUR CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD, WHICH IF YOU'RE FOLLOWING ALONG AND LISTENING, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT, I SAY AGAIN, NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
SO MR. ANDERSON, YOU HAVE ANYBODY, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK DURING THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD, UH, YOU CAN RAISE YOUR HAND BY CLICKING ON THE PARTICIPANT PANEL AND RAISE AND CLICKING.
I'LL GIVE YOU SOME TIME TO DO THAT.
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OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING.I'M NOT SAYING ANYONE RAISED THEIR HAND.
THANK YOU, MR. ANDERSON, WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR
[Application No. ZM-190-21, Rhetson Companies, Inc.]
PUBLIC HEARINGS.OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING IS APPLICATION NUMBER ZM DASH ONE 90 DASH 21.
REDSIN COMPANIES COOPERATED, AND I BELIEVE THIS IS MR. MRS. OR EXCUSE ME, MS. PARKER'S APPLICATION.
AMY, ARE YOU WITH US? AMY? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEP.
THIS IS A REZONING, UH, FOR FOUR PARCELS, UH, LOCATED AT 2371 26.
ONE HAMPTON HIGHWAY REQUEST IS TO REZONE THOSE PARCELS FROM OUR 20 MEDIUM DENSITY, SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL TO GB GENERAL BUSINESS.
NO, THE MAP OF THE AREA, THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTIES ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED IMMEDIATELY TO THE BACK OF THEIR PROPERTIES IS A OPEN SPACE, ACTIVE RECREATION AREA FOR THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, CHURCHILL ESTATES, WHICH IS ONLY ENTER DRIVE AND BAYBERRY DRIVE ON YOUR MAP JUST TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY AND ALONG HAMPTON HIGHWAY ARE ALL SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS THAT WERE DEVELOPED PRIOR TO THE APPLICANT.
UM, PRIOR TO, UM, CHURCHILL ESTATES, THE WEST, UH, VACANT RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY ON THE FAR SIDE OF HAMPTON HIGHWAY, UH, VACANT LIMITED BUSINESS LAND, SELF STORAGE FACILITY, FURTHER DOWN AND DIRECTLY ACROSS, OR THE BELMONT AT YOUR APARTMENTS AND THE LANDINGS AT LANGLEY MULTIFAMILY HOUSING, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH THE LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE.
SO OWNING OF THE PROPERTY, UH, IT'S OWNED ARE 20 MEDIUM DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ON THE FAR SIDE OF HAMPTON HIGHWAY IS A LIMITED BUSINESS, UH, VACANT LIMITED BUSINESS PARCEL AND RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY ASSOCIATED WITH THE APARTMENTS AND THE LANGLEY HOUSING.
THE LIMITED BUSINESS IS, UH, ACTUALLY A SEE, IT GOES FURTHER DOWN, UH, HAMPTON HIGHWAY AS PART OF A COMMERCIAL NODE, UH, FOR THE, UH, SURROUNDING THE, A BIG BETHEL HAMPTON HIGHWAY INTERSECTIONS.
JUST OFF TO THE LEFT OFF THE SCREEN, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, REFLECTS THE ZONING, UM, THAT IS OUT THERE.
UM, MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ON THE NORTH SIDE OF HAMPTON HIGHWAY AND, UH, LIMITED BUSINESS AND RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY ON THE SOUTH SIDE, AN AERIAL PHOTO OF THE PROPERTY, UH, HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.
IT IS, UM, PRETTY MUCH COMPLETELY WOODED, UH, WITH DECIDUOUS TREES, UH, OPEN SPACE.
YOU CAN SEE SOME FACILITIES, UH, FOR THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, UH, HOUSING FOR CHURCHILL ESTATES BEYOND, AND THEN THE LIMITED BUSINESS, THERE'S A VACANT PARCEL AND SELF STORAGE.
AND THEN THE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING ON THE FAR SIDE OF HAMPTON HIGHWAY, SOME PHOTOS, THE AREA, THE SUSTAINING AT THE DRIVEWAY INTO, UM, THE BELMONT APARTMENTS, LOOKING ACROSS THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY, THE BUILDINGS YOU SEE BEHIND THE TREES.
THERE ARE THE BACKYARDS OF BAYBERRY LANE IN THE CHURCHILL, UH, ESTATES, HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, UM, LOOKING, UH, WEST DOWN HAMPTON HIGHWAY.
THE LIGHT YOU SEE THERE IN THE BACKGROUND IS A BIG BETHEL ROAD AND ACROSS THE STREET, THE GREEN ROOFS, YOU SEE THERE, I WAS THE SELF STORAGE FACILITY AND LOOKING STRAIGHT ACROSS AT THE ENTRANCE LANGLEY HOUSING ON THE LEFT AND THE BELMONT APARTMENTS ON THE RIGHT AND LOOKING EAST DOWN HAMPTON HIGHWAY APPLICANT'S PROPERTY.
SO THIS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT, ADJACENT TO THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY, SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
AND THIS IS LOOKING DOWN ROUGHLY THE, UH, COMMON PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN THAT HOME AND THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY, WHICH IS ON THE LEFT.
THIS IS LOOKING ACROSS THE, UM, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, THE OPEN SPACE RECREATION AREA, UH, THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY AREA TO BE DEVELOPED WOULD BE ROUGHLY JUST TO THE RIGHT OF CENTER OF THE PHOTOGRAPH AND THE YELLOW HOUSE.
THERE IS THE, UH, ADJACENT HOUSE ON HAMPTON HIGHWAY.
SO STANDING ON THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY, ROUGHLY, UH, IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, UH,
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LIMIT OVER BY WHERE IT WOULD BE CLEARED LOOKING TOWARDS THE ADJACENT DWELLING TO THE RIGHT ON HAMPTON HIGHWAY AND THE HOUSES AT THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC OFF OF OLEANDER DRIVE AND STANDING TO THE BACK OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY, APPROXIMATELY WHERE THE, THE, UH, PROPOSED BUILDING A FLARING MAY GO LOOKING AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSES ALONG BAYBERRY LANE APPLICANTS SUBMITTED A CONCEPTUAL SKETCH PLAN, UH, SHOWING THE GENERAL LOCATION OF, UH, WHAT COULD BE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL BUILDING WITH PARKING AND, UM, STORMWATER THE STORMWATER POND TO THE LEFT.UH, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO INSTALL 35 FOOT TRANSITIONAL BUFFERS ON THE SIDE AND READER, UM, OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THEY ARE SUBJECT TO A 35 FOOT GREENBELT BUFFER ALONG A HAMPTON HIGHWAY.
UH, SO WE'RE IN UTILITY CONNECTIONS WOULD BE TO THE BACK OF THE LOT.
AND THERE IS A STORM WATER AND UTILITY EASEMENTS WITHIN THAT HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, OR, YEAH, THIS IS, UH, IN, UH, AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS SUPERIMPOSED WITH THE, UH, PROPOSED SKETCH PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT PUT IN DISTANCES, UH, TO THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL HOMES IN THE BACK.
IT'S ABOUT 130 FOOT BACK FROM THE PROPERTY OFF THE END OF THAT CLOSEST CUL-DE-SAC APPROXIMATELY 150 FEET FROM THE HOMES DOWN ON NOT ALONG BAY BERRY LANE AND ABOUT 200 FEET FROM THE ONE LOT STRAIGHT TO THE BACK THERE.
SO CONCEPTUAL FACADE PLAN BUILDING ELEVATION, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED ALONG WITH A MONUMENT SIGN, UM, SKETCH SHOWING EARTH TONE, BRICK, AND METAL WITH A METAL TRIM FOR A PROPOSED COMMERCIAL BUILDING SUMMARY, UM, REZONE APPROXIMATELY 2.6 ACRES FROM OUR 22 GB.
THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A SET OF PROFFERS INCLUDED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
THEY HAVE PROFFERED TO PRECLUDE, UH, MANY OF THE INTENSIVE BI-RITE USES.
AND, UM, I'LL GET INTO THAT A LITTLE MORE DETAIL IN A MOMENT.
IT WOULD NOT PRECLUDE ANY SPECIAL USE PERMIT USES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN THE GB DISTRICT.
THEY HAVE PREFERRED TO DO MONUMENT SIGNAGE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR ANY BUSINESS AREA WOULD BE 8:00 AM TO 10:00 PM.
THEY WOULD INCREASE THE, UH, PLANTING REQUIREMENTS TO A TYPE 50 BUFFER.
NORMALLY A TYPE 35 BUFFER WOULD BE REQUIRED, UH, SOLID OPAQUE FENCING ALONG THE SIDE AND REAR, UH, BUFFER LINES AND, UM, BRICK AND METAL FACADE, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT FACADE PLAN THAT I HAD SHOWED YOU THE EXCLUDED BY RYAN, HE USES THESE ARE SOME OF THE MORE INTENSIVE ONES, UH, THAT THEY HAVE INDICATED WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED ON THERE WITH THIS REZONING, INCLUDING CONVENIENCE STORE FARMER'S MARKET THEATER.
YOU CAN READ THESE MEDICAL FACILITIES, UM, HEALTH, FITNESS CENTER MEETING HALL.
SO THEY HAVE, UH, PROFFERED THAT THESE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED, UM, PERMITTED BY RIGHT USES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED.
THEY HAVE INDICATED, UM, THEY ARE, UH, LOOKING AT PUTTING A DISCOUNT STORE ON THEIR POVERTY, HOWEVER THEY HAVE ALLOWED, UH, WITHIN THE BUFFER, UH, WITHIN THE PROFFERS, UM, NUMEROUS BUY-RITE USERS THAT STILL COULD BE DEVELOPED ON THE PROPERTY, INCLUDING PRESCHOOL, UM, PRIVATE SCHOOL RESTAURANTS, ANY TYPE OF RESTAURANT, INCLUDING FAST FOOD, RETAIL, SALES OFFICES, UM, UH, SHOPPING CENTER TO THE LIST.
THOSE ARE THE, SOME OF THE MORE INTENSIVE BI-RITE USES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED, UH, L USES LAB WITH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, WOULD INCLUDE NURSING HOME, SENIOR HOUSING, FIREARM SALES, AND SERVICE, MOTOR VEHICLE REPAIRS, GAS STATION, CARWASH, MINI STORAGE WAREHOUSES, UH, LIKE THOSE ACROSS THE STREET AND OUR UTILITY WATER STORAGE TELECOMMUNICATION TOWER.
SO ANY OF THESE USES, UH, COULD BE, UM, PERMITTED ON THE PROPERTY WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN COMPARING TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS TO WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED THERE BY, RIGHT, WHICH WOULD BE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES, UH, PROBABLY DEVELOP APPROXIMATELY FIVE, UH, DAILY AVERAGE FOR THOSE, UH, FOR A SET OF FIVE HOUSE.
IT WOULD BE 48, UM, VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY FOUR IN THE AM,
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FIVE IN THE PM, THE DISCOUNT STORE, WHICH THEY INDICATED THEY WERE LOOKING AT, UM, BY COMPARISON WOULD HAVE 609 DAILY, UM, DAILY AVERAGE TRIPS AND 11:00 AM AND 50 3:00 PM.AND THEN I'VE INCLUDED A SELECTION OF USERS BY RIGHT USES THAT COULD BE ALLOWED THERE.
UH, ALL OF WHICH, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE CHART, THERE HAVE A MUCH GREATER, UH, WOULD HAVE A MUCH GREATER IMPACT ON TRAFFIC ON HAMPTON HIGHWAY COMPARED TO WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED THERE.
UM, BY RIGHT NOW, ACCORDING TO THE HAMPTON ROADS, UH, TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION, UM, HAMPTON HIGHWAY CURRENTLY CARRIES AN AVERAGE, UH, DAILY VEHICLE VOLUME OF 22,000 VEHICLES, UH, RIGHT NOW, UM, ACCORDING TO THEIR REPORTS THAT THERE IS MODERATE CONJECTURE CONGESTION NORTHBOUND AT THE, UM, IN THE PMP COWER AT THE BIG BETHEL ROAD INTERSECTION.
AND THAT IS, UH, WOULD INCREASE TO A SEVERE SITUATION BY 2040.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE CHART USERS THAT COULDN'T BE ALLOWED WOULD HAVE MUCH HIGHER VEHICLE COUNTS COMPARED TO THE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS AND, AND WOULD CONTRIBUTE MORE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS TO THE TRAFFIC IN CONCLUSION.
UH, WE FEEL THIS A REQUEST FOR THE ZONING, THE GBS CONTRARY TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS AREA.
IT'S NOT CONSISTENT, BUT IT RECOMMENDS A MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
UH, THE GB USES THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED, UM, AS NOTED WOULD NOT BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING, UH, RESIDENTIAL USES OR ZONING.
UH, WE DO ACKNOWLEDGE THERE IS THAT LIMITED BUSINESS, UM, STONING ACROSS THE STREET, UH, BUT LIMITED BUSINESS, UM, WAS ESTABLISHED TO PROVIDE, UH, AS NOTED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE IN COMP PLAN, ECONOMICALLY EFFICIENT CONCENTRATION ABUSES ON COMMERCIAL SITES TO PREVENT SMALL AND SCATTERED INDIVIDUAL PARCELS HANDLE THAT PRETENDER INTERNAL TRAFFIC CIRCULATION COSTS, DETERIORATION OF ROADWAY CAPACITY AND CREATING STRIP COMMERCIAL ATMOSPHERE, WHICH WE FEEL THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
UH, IF YOU WERE TO TAKE A SMALL POCKET OF GB, UH, WITHIN THAT 20 SWIMMING AREA FURTHER, UH, THE COMPLAINANT NOTES THAT THE, UH, LB ENCOURAGES NINE TO FIVE BUSINESSES, UH, WORKING HOURS, NOT THAT WOULD NOT ADVERSELY IMPACT AFFECT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD NOT CREATE SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC IMPACTS AT PEAK PERIODS.
UH, AND AS SHOWN BY THE CHART, I JUST PREVIOUSLY SHOWED YOU THAT THAT CHANGING THAT TO GB USES WOULD BE, UH, THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED, WOULD CREATE THOSE PROBLEMS. UM, I DO ALSO WANT TO NOTE THAT LIMITED BUSINESS, WHICH IS PART OF THAT COMMERCIAL NODE, UH, FOR BIG BETHEL HIGHWAY, UH, THAT ACTUALLY HAD BEEN ZONED, UM, GENERAL BUSINESS BETWEEN 1995 AND 2007.
IT WAS DOWNSIZED A DOWN ZONE, TWO LIMITED BUSINESS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COMP PLAN UPDATE IN 2007, UH, TO ALLOW FOR LESS INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL USES, UH, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL USES IN THE AREA OF THE APARTMENTS AND HOUSING.
WE ALSO FEEL THAT SPOT ZONING, UH, IS AN ISSUE HERE, UM, CRITERIA, UM, THAT WOULD CONSTITUTE SPOT ZONING AND ACCORDANCE WITH, UM, UH, COURT CASES TAKE A SMALL ISOLATED AREA.
UM, IN THIS CASE WITH CONTRACT REZONING, YOU'VE GOT A 2.6 ACRE PARCEL LOCATED WITHIN ALMOST 2000 ACRES OF, UM, R 20 SONY WOULD ALLOW USES INCONSISTENT WITH THOSE, UH, NORMALLY ALLOWED IN THE AREA, UH, GP USES.
WE DON'T FEEL ARE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE THAT WOULD PERMIT IT IN THE
UM, WOULD YOU FEEL THAT USES ACROSS HAMPTON HIGHWAY IT'S A FOUR LANE DIVIDED HIGHWAY? UM, IT SHOULDN'T CARRY AS MUCH WEIGHT IN CONSIDERING USES IN THE FACILITY AS WOULD THOSE, UH, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE SITE.
NOW THE CRITERIA, UM, IF THE PROPOSAL WOULD NOT SORT OF A PUBLIC NEED OR PUBLIC WELFARE, BUT ONLY THAT A PRIVATE INTEREST OR PROPERTY OWNER, WE DO FEEL THAT IS THE CASE HERE, THERE ALREADY ARE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES OPPORTUNITIES IN THE AREA, INCLUDING THAT, UM, LIMITED BUSINESS NODE THAT I HAD INDICATED AND A CRITERIA INCONSISTENT WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES AND RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH I HAD JUST REVIEWED SO THAT WE FEEL THAT AS THE CASE
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HERE AS WELL, WE'RE THEREFORE RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THIS APPLICATION.UM, HOWEVER, IF THE COMMISSION CHOOSES TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, WE HAVE PROVIDED RESOLUTION PC 21 DASH FOUR FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WE DID RECEIVE TWO CITIZEN COMMENTS AND OPPOSITION TO THIS APPLICATION, WHICH WERE, UH, EMAILED TO YOU THIS WEEK.
AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, MS. PARKER, APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.
UH, UH, AT THIS TIME I'LL ASK IF ANY OF OUR COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF MS. PARKER BEFORE WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT? YES.
SO AMY, WAS THERE A WETLANDS DELINEATION DONE OUT THERE? UM, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
THERE ARE NOT WETLANDS MAPPED OUT THERE.
UM, THOSE, UM, DRAINAGE DITCHES, YOU, YOU SAW IN THAT ONE, PICTURE THAT ACROSS THE BACK THERE, THOSE ARE ALL, UM, PRETTY MUCH MAN-MADE NOT NATURAL WETLANDS.
UM, I GUESS AT THIS TIME, UH, AMY OR EARL, I GUESS, UH, WILL, UH, HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, IS THE APPLICANT WITH US TONIGHT? UH, YES, SIR.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? UH, WHO'S SPEAKING.
THIS IS JOHN PARKER WITH RUTLAND COMPANIES, JOHN.
I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR THE RETSINA COMPANIES.
UM, AND I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT, MATT, JOHN PRECIATE.
IT, UH, YOU GOT ANYBODY ELSE WITHIN YOUR TEAM? WILLIAM BELL, ATLANTIC RESOURCES.
THEY'RE A CIVIL ENGINEER HERE.
ANYBODY ELSE? UH, RICK HARRIS.
I'M THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE PROPERTY OWNER, RICK.
YEAH, AND I ACTUALLY, I'M A WETLAND SCIENTIST AND I DID A WETLAND DELINEATION OUT THERE.
UH, MR. PARKER, IF YOU, OR YOU OR MATT, WHOEVER IS GOING TO SPEAK.
YEAH, I'LL START AND THEN HAND IT OVER TO MR. PARKER.
I'M A LAWYER WITH JONES, BLACKMAN, WALTON, KELLY, AND NEWPORT NEWS.
AND I LIVE AT TWO OH ONE CHADWICK COURT HERE IN YOUR COUNTY AND COVENTRY.
UM, I'M A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF YOUR COUNTY AND, UH, VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROPERTY.
UM, AS A LONG RESIDENT TRAVELING UP AND DOWN HAMPTON HIGHWAY, MY ENTIRE LIFE, THIS PROPERTY HAS, HAS ALWAYS REMAINED VACANT AS FAR AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER.
AND WHILE MY CLIENTS, UM, UNDERSTAND THE, UH, ZONING DESIGNATION AND THE REASONING BEHIND STAFF'S, UH, REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT A RESIDENTIAL USE OF THIS PROPERTY IS EVER GOING TO BE, UH, A POSSIBILITY ANYMORE.
UM, IF YOU LOOK UP AND DOWN HAMPTON HIGHWAY, WHILE STAFF POINTED OUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE AREAS THAT SURROUNDED THAT ARE RESIDENTIAL, THOSE, UH, SUBDIVISIONS WERE DEVELOPED ALL BACK IN THE EIGHTIES AND NINETIES.
EVERYTHING THAT'S COME UP ON THE HAMPTON HIGHWAY SINCE THEN HAS BEEN COMMERCIAL.
YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTER ACROSS THE STREET, UH, SHADY BANKS.
YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTER, JUST DOWN THE ROAD ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, YOUR SHOWER DOWNS AND EVERYTHING ALONG THAT ROAD, UH, HAS BEEN COMMERCIAL.
UM, UH, AS I SAID, JOHN PARKER'S WITH ME TONIGHT, UH, HE, UH, IS THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR RATS AND COMPANIES.
WHO'S GOING TO PROVIDE YOU MORE DETAIL WITH THE REZONING, INCLUDING THE PROFFERS OFFERED BY, UH, THE CONTRACT PURCHASER AND THE OWNER, WHICH IS GOING TO MAKE THIS PROJECT MORE PLEASING AND MORE IN LINE WITH THE CURRENT MAKEUP OF HAMPTON HIGHWAY.
BUT I WILL POINT OUT AGAIN THAT, UH, MOST OF THE USES JUST DOWN THE ROAD FROM THIS, WHICH, UH, DIDN'T MAKE IT ONTO THE COUNTY'S PRESENTATION, BUT YOU'LL SEE FROM OUR MAP, OUR COMMERCIAL USES IN, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY, LESS THAN A MILE AWAY ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE ROAD NEXT TO YOUR CHAIR DOWNS, WHICH THE COUNTY THROUGH THE EDA IS OFFERING AGAIN, UM, WITH A COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION THERE.
SO AGAIN, WE DON'T SEE THIS PROPERTY IS EVER GOING TO BE DEVELOPED AS, UH, AS RED CENTRAL PROPERTY.
ALL THE SUBDIVISIONS IN THAT AREA HAVE BEEN LONG DEVELOPED AND ARE LONG OFF OF THE ROAD.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FIND THAT KIND OF, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT HERE FRONTING THE, SO THIS WILL BE THE BEST USE FOR THIS PROPERTY.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO JOHN.
UH, OUR ADDRESS IS 2075 JUNIPER LAKE ROAD, WESTERN NORTH CAROLINA, TWO SEVEN THREE SEVEN SIX.
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UM, JUST WANT TO SAY, UH, THANK YOU TO AMY AND THE, THE STAFF FOR A WONDERFUL PRESENTATION AND ALL THEIR HARD WORK AND THE PLANNING BOARD FOR THEIR TIME TONIGHT.UM, IF YOU WOULD ALLOW MY COMPUTER TO SHARE A SCREEN WITH THAT WORD, THERE WE GO.
IS THAT COMING THROUGH? I CAN SEE YOUR MAP.
BUT, UM, YEAH, WE, WE LOOKED AT THIS PROPERTY ACTUALLY, UM, WORKED REAL CLOSELY WITH MR. HARRIS, THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER.
HE, HE, UH, DABBLES IN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND I BELIEVE HE WAS LOOKING AT THIS PROPERTY AT ONE POINT FOR POTENTIAL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND THERE WAS QUITE A FEW, UM, ECONOMIC IMPACTS TO, TO HIS APPROACH THERE.
AND HE STARTED GETTING THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS MIGHT BE BETTER FOR COMMERCIAL.
SO WE STARTED LOOKING AT IT WITH THEM AND, UH, THIS MAP SHOWS THE KIND OF THE OVERALL PICTURE THERE.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE SITE THERE AND IN THE MIDDLE OF IT ALL, UM, NASA DOWN THE ROAD, LET ME SWITCH SCREEN.
THERE WE GO, UH, UP CLOSE, UM, AS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT AMY SHOWED EARLIER, YOU CAN SEE THE SITE A LITTLE BIT MORE FROM THE ROAD I'LL BREEZE THROUGH THESE GOATS.
YOU'LL JUST SAW SOME VERY SIMILAR, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTED, I VISITED THIS, I TOOK THESE PHOTOS AND ONE OF THE THINGS I SAW THE MOST WAS THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, UM, AND THE AREA.
AND ALTHOUGH WE DON'T GENERATE THAT MANY TRIPS PER HOUR, UH, I WOULD REALLY FIND IT HARD TO WANT TO BUILD A HOME ON THIS ROAD.
I THINK IT WOULD BE NOT MY FIRST CHOICE.
IF I WAS BUILDING A BRAND NEW HOME, I'D WANT TO GO BACK INTO A, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD AND FIND SOMEBODY A LITTLE LESS AGGRESSIVE.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS THE PROPOSED LAYOUT.
WE'D DO BACK UP TO SOME, UH, WET AREAS.
I THINK THAT'S ALL HOA PROPERTY IN THE REAR.
UM, PRETTY SIMPLE, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT AMY SHOWED THERE.
AND WE TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION OUR NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, AND WE THOUGHT OF THIS, THIS ENVIRONMENT KIND OF, UM, WHAT WE SAW DOWN THE ROAD WITH THE FOOD LINE AND THE OTHER SHOPS THAT BRICK FACADE, SOMETHING WITH A NICER ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE WOULD LOOK GOOD IN THE AREA SOFTER, UH, YOU KNOW, IN A MORE ATTRACTIVE APPEAL.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WITH THE RESIDENTIAL, WE AGREED TO PUT IN FENCING, WE ALWAYS PUT IN FENCING AROUND RESIDENTIAL AND INCREASED, UM, LANDSCAPE BUFFERING JUST TO KEEP THAT, THAT VIEW BETWEEN THE TWO, UH, SEPARATE AS, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, UM, SAY COLORED RENDERING OF WHAT THE STORE WOULD LOOK LIKE IF YOU WERE PULLING UP OR THEORETICALLY WOULD LOOK LIKE, UM, THIS IS THE 20, 35 LAND USE, UM, TABLET FOR THE AREA.
AND IT'S JUST SHOWING THAT, UH, WHAT, WHAT AMY POINTED OUT THAT LIMITED BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, AND KIND OF WHAT'S AROUND US.
UM, DEFINITELY A LOT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL ON OUR SALVAGE.
YOU CAN SEE THE GROWING NUMBER OF, UH, COMMERCIAL IN THE AREA OF COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTIES IN THE, UH, IN THE FACILITY.
UM, THIS IS REALLY POINTS OUT IN GENERAL, ALL THE NON-RESIDENTIAL USES, UM, THAT ARE IN THE CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE STORE PROPOSED LOCATION, UM, FROM GAS STATIONS TO CAR WASHES, UM, OF COURSE STORAGE HARDWARE OR AUTO PARTS STORES, GROCERY STORES.
WE HAD QUITE A, QUITE A MIX OF, UM, SHOPPING OPTIONS AND CHURCHES IN THE AREA.
AND BASED ON THIS, THIS IS KIND OF THE REASON WE APPROACHED THE COUNTY.
WE DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE NECESSARILY OUT OF, OUT OF LINE WITH WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE AREA, WHICH, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE TRAFFIC COUNTS AND THE KIND OF FLOW GOING THROUGH THIS, THIS PART OF THE MARKET, WE FELT LIKE THIS WOULD BE IDEAL FOR COMMERCIAL.
UM, SO, SO ANOTHER OF THE BIG, UM, YOU KNOW, EMPLOYER IN THE AREA, SOMEBODY THAT'S BRINGING IN QUITE A FEW, UH, CARS AND TRAFFIC DOWN THAT ROAD, IT JUST ADDS TO THE, THE, UH, AGAIN THAT THE, THE POINT OF THE HIGHWAY BEING A MAIN THOROUGHFARE THERE.
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SOME GROUND SHOTS OF THE NON-RESIDENTIAL USES AND REAL CLOSE PROXIMITY WITH THE, WITH THE ZONING ACROSS THE STREET BEING LIMITED BUSINESS, ALL THAT WAS AROUND IT, WE DIDN'T AS MUCH FEEL THAT IT WAS A SPOT ZONING, BUT MORE OF A CHANGE OF THE ZONING, UM, PLAN.UM, BUT WE APPRECIATE THE STATUS OPINION ON THAT.
UM, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THAT IS ALL I REALLY WANTED TO SHOW AND DISCUSS AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC COUNTS ENGINEERING ON THAT.
WE DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT THERE WOULD BE, UH, AN INCREASED AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, UM, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF BURDEN TO THE AREA THERE'S ALREADY TURN LANE, UM, HEADING EASTBOUND THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE, I THINK THE, UH, THE SITE ITSELF.
UM, I ALWAYS GET COMMENTS FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS IN THE AREA, USUALLY WHEN WE'RE CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, MOST CASES WE SEE PROPERTY VALUES IMPROVE.
UM, BUT NO ONE CAN GUARANTEE SUCH A THING OR, OR THAT PROPERTY VALUES WILL BE DAMAGED.
UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING RESIDENTIAL BESIDE COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, IT COULD, IT COULD GO EITHER WAY.
SO I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR FOR ME TO SAY EITHER WAY, BUT WE'VE NEVER HAD ANY EVIDENCE OF ANY KIND OF DAMAGE TO PROPERTY VALUES, UM, NOT IN ONE PARTICULAR CASE.
UM, BUT I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT ANYONE MIGHT HAVE.
UM, AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO Y'ALL.
ALL RIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU MR. PARKER, AND APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION.
UH, NOW I WANT TO PROVIDE OUR, UH, OUR COMMISSION MEMBERS, UH, WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS THEY MAY HAVE.
SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP TO OUR COMMISSIONERS AND DO ANY OF OUR COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? UH, I DO, UH, ROBERT KRINER HERE, UH, MR. PARKER, I NOTICED YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT TO GENERAL BUSINESS AS OPPOSED TO LIMITED BUSINESS LIMITED BUSINESSES DOING MORE OF THE ZONING AROUND THAT AREA.
WHY THE DECISION TO SHOOT FOR GENERAL? WELL, UM, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION MS. CRINER.
I, UH, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE, UH, FLEXIBLE AND AMENABLE TO ANY SUGGESTIONS THAT STAFF MIGHT HAVE.
I'M NOT SPECIFICALLY SURE IF THE LIMITED BUSINESS ACCOMMODATES FOR, UH, RETAIL USE.
UM, BUT ALSO AS A DEVELOPER AND PROPERTY OWNER, WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO LIMIT OURSELVES TO FUTURE USES AS WELL.
BUT, UM, WE WILL BE AMENABLE TO DISCUSSING THAT IF THAT WAS AN OPTION THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE OUR USE, BUT I THINK WE WERE APPROACHING THIS UNDER GUIDANCE FROM THE STAFF AT BEST FAIR TO SAY, AREN'T YOU? YES, SIR.
HOW ABOUT, UH, FROM OUR OTHER COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS OF OUR APPLICANT SEEN A COUPLE NOS? ANYBODY LOOKS LIKE NO QUESTIONS.
UM, ALL RIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU, UH, MS. PARKER AND MR. MATTOS APPRECIATE THAT NOW.
WE'LL CONTINUE OUR, UH, OUR PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.
WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT CALLED IN.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK FOR THIS APPLICATION, UH, YOU CAN RAISE YOUR HAND AND THE PARTICIPANT PANEL.
SO THERE'S ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
I HAVE, UH, MR. JOHN ROGERS, HANG ON.
UH, I KNOW, UH, TOM ZELL, THERE HE IS.
HE'S GOT HIS HAND RAISED UP WITH NATURAL.
MR. ROGERS, COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE? I'M SO SORRY.
TWO 19 BAYBERRY LANE, THEY COUNT TO THREE SIX, NINE, THREE.
UM, YEAH, I SEE TOM GOT HIS, UH, CAMERA WORK AND HE'S THE HOA PRESIDENT AND RESIDENT FROM 2000.
INITIALLY WE, UH, FIRST OPENED IN 2007.
SO I DID ALREADY SEND MY LETTER IN.
SO NOW THAT TOM'S BACK ONLINE, I WILL, UH, REFER TO HIM IF THAT'S OKAY.
TOM, WE HEAR YOU GIVE YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
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THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THIS TOMMY ZELLE.WE LIVE AT TWO 28 BAY LANE, AND JUST ONE CLARIFICATION FOR WHAT MR. MEADOWS HAD SAID.
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD STARTED AROUND 2006, SO IT'S UNDER 20 YEARS OLD.
AND THAT AREA IS THAT THIS IS GOING TO BACK UP TOO, WITH THAT SAID, AS A HOMEOWNER AND A PRESIDENT OF THE ASSOCIATION, WE STRONGLY URGE A DENIAL OF THIS REZONING, UH, PERMIT.
WE THINK THAT THE BUSINESS USE DOESN'T FIT THE MODEL OF WHAT WE HAVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE IS PLENTY OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT IS IN THAT AREA.
THAT'S OPEN ANOTHER PUPPIES THAT HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE FOR SALE FOR COMMERCIAL USE AND HAVE NOT BEEN USED YET.
I BELIEVE THIS IS GOING TO INFRINGE ON THE, I GUESS, THE GOOD VIBE, IF YOU WILL.
I CAN'T THINK OF THE RIGHT WORD FOR THAT AREA WILL ALSO INCREASE WITH A LOT MORE CROSSING TRAFFIC AT THE INTERSECTION RIGHT THERE OUTSIDE OF BELMONT APARTMENTS, WHICH POTENTIALLY WILL INCREASE OR DECREASE THE SAFETY OF NOT ONLY OUR RESIDENTS DRIVING THROUGH THAT AREA, BUT ANYBODY DRIVING THROUGH THE YORK COUNTY LOWER END ON ONE 34, I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE A NEED FOR ANOTHER BUSINESS IN THAT AREA.
AND I THINK THE INCREASED NOISE AND TRAFFIC IS NOT GOING TO BE GOOD FOR OUR AREA.
AND, UH, EARL, UH, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAS CALLED IN ON THIS? WE HAVE LOTS OF ATTENDEES, BUT NO ONE ELSE HAS RAISED THEIR HAND.
NO, DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE MATTERS BEFORE THE COMMISSION TITUS.
YEAH, I, I LOOKED AT THIS QUITE A BIT.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT THERE WAS A, UH, IN THE COVENTRY AREA, THEY HAVE A SOCIAL MEDIA WITHIN THE COVER TREE AND PAT'S LAKES.
AND DOWN THROUGH THE AREA THERE, THE COMMENTS THAT WERE ON THAT SOCIAL MEDIA WAS PROBABLY EIGHT OR NINE AGAINST EIGHT, EIGHT AGAINST ONE FOR, UH, THIS REZONING HELL ALSO WILL SAY THAT I THINK AMY AND MS. PARKER DID A GREAT JOB ON THAT AND HER FOUR POINTS, UH, THAT SHE HAS HERE TO DISAPPROVE IT, UH, OR NOT RECOMMEND THE PROVOST IS I AGREE WITH A HUNDRED PERCENT, THE SPOT ZONING IS, UH, I GUESS I'VE REALLY NEVER HEARD THAT BEFORE, BUT THEN I HAD TO GO BACK AND THINK ABOUT IT.
YEAH, I WAS VERY MUCH AGAINST, PROBABLY IN THE ZONE, ONE ACRE OR TWO ACRES AT A TIME.
IT NEEDS TO BE LARGE PARCELS OF ACREAGE TO BE IF WE'RE GOING TO REZONE SOMETHING, NOT JUST ONE OR TWO THINGS WITHIN A, WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL OR IN ANY OTHER AREA.
UH, SO THOSE THINGS IN MIND, I WAS VERY MUCH AGAINST THIS REZONING.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS MR. PETERMAN? YES.
UH, I'M ON FOR THE WORK OF THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, AND SO THEREFORE I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO GO AGAINST THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO REZONE THESE PROPERTIES.
THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON, MR. JOHNS, YOU'RE ON MUTE, MR. JOHNSON.
UH, I, I WOULD AGREE WITH, UH, STAFFS.
IT GOES AGAINST THE, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IT'S A MORE INTENSIVE USE OF THE PROPERTY AND IT CERTAINLY WOULD AFFECT THE QUALITY OF LIFE, UH, OF THE, UH, NEIGHBORING, UH, RESIDENTS.
THERE IS NO COMPELLING REASON PUBLIC SAFETY OR THE GENERAL WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO, UH, ON, ON THAT, I JUST DON'T SEE A RATIONALE, UH, FOR REZONING THIS THANK YOU, MR. JOHNS.
UH, I, I TEND TO AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT IN THAT.
UH, I DON'T SEE THIS AS BEING SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED WELL FOR RESIDENTIAL.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT POINT OF VIEW WITH IT'S OPENING RIGHT UP ONTO A HAMPTON HIGHWAY.
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ARE TWO LOTS TO THE LEFT OR NORTH OF IT WERE, YOU KNOW, REZONED WITH IT, IT WOULD MAKE A LITTLE MORE SENSE TO ME IF IT WAS MORE LIMITED, UM, A BUSINESS AS OPPOSED TO THE GENERAL BUSINESS.BUT I AGREE WITH, UH, WHAT STAFF'S COMMENTS.
UM, I WOULDN'T APPROVE IT THE WAY IT IS NOW, BUT, UH, AND I ALSO THINK, UH, PARTICULARLY IF THERE WAS A BIG, UH, YOU KNOW, CHICK-FILET, THAT ENDS UP THERE, UH, THE TRAFFIC WOULD BE MISERABLE.
UM, SO I'M INCLINED NOT TO APPROVE THIS.
UM, I MISS ANYBODY, ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK? NOT OBLIGATED, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS.
UM, MY THOUGHTS ARE, IS, UH, I THINK MR. JOHN SAID IT WELL, THERE'S REALLY NOT A COMPELLING REASON TO GO AGAINST THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR A SPECULATIVE.
AND I SAY SPECULATIVE BECAUSE NOT EVEN SURE THAT THAT ONE'S GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED AS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AND, UH, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND A NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE AROUND IT WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS WAS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WAS LAST UPDATED, UH, RECENTLY FIVE YEARS AGO, AND HAD THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL.
I DON'T THINK THERE IS A, YOU'VE MET THE THRESHOLD FOR CHANGING THIS AND THE, AND THE GENERAL WELFARE AS STATED.
THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER OPPORTUNITIES UP AND DOWN HAMPTON HIGHWAY TO DO THIS.
AND, UH, I THINK IF YOU'RE STILL WILLING TO GO DO YOU TO GO, GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, SHARPEN YOUR PENCILS, FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO THIS IN A BETTER MANNER, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW UNDER WHAT WE'RE SEEING AS A COMMISSION LEA I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF, UM, THAT, UH, UH, THIS IS THE STAFF IS MAKING THE RIGHT CALL HERE AND, UH, I'LL BE VOTING AGAINST IT WITH THAT.
ARE THERE, UM, ANY MOTIONS MR. CHAIRMAN? UM, I WOULD MOVE THAT WE FORWARD THIS TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
WHAT THEY RECOMMENDATION FOR? DENIAL PC 21 DASH FOUR.
UM, MS. PARKER, LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT.
ARE WE SAYING YES TO YOUR DENIAL? YES.
YOU WILL BE SAYING YES TO MATTER NOW, OR I CAN CHANGE IT AND SAY WE MOVED.
UM, THAT IS ALSO STATED IN THE NARRATIVE, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR RESOLUTION, WE COULD DO IT THAT WAY.
THAT WOULD BE THE CORRECT PROCEDURE.
THE PROCEDURE IS TO VOTE ON THE RESOLUTION.
IF YOU, IF YOU SUPPORT IT, YOU KNOW? YES.
IF YOU OPPOSE IT, YOU WOULD VOTE NO ON THE RESOLUTION.
MR. JOHNS, DID YOU GET THE RIGHT RESOLUTION? AND THE RIGHT RESOLUTION WILL BE, UM, MOVE THIS FORWARD TO THE BOARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF A BPC 21 DASH FOUR.
I BELIEVE THE MOTION BY MR. JOHNS IS TO ADAPT PC 21 DASH FOUR TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A REQUEST TO REZONE 2.6 ACRES LOCATED AT 2371 AND 26 OH ONE HAMPTON HIGHWAY.
MR. TITUS, HOLD ON A MINUTE, MR. CROSS, ARE WE DOING THIS CORRECTLY? YES.
SOMEBODY HAS TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
IF YOU, IF YOU LIKE THE RESOLUTION, IF YOU SUPPORT THE APPLICATION, YOU VOTE IN FAVOR OF IT.
YOU VOTE NO ON THE RESOLUTION.
HOWEVER, THE WAY IN THIS LENS AND BIGLER IS PHRASING.
IT IS THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE REZONING, WHICH IS NOT RECOMMENDATION IS THE MOTION IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION, RIGHT? CORRECT.
A PC, A PC TWO, ONE FOUR RECOMMEND THE, UH, A RESOLUTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
SO IF THAT RESOLUTION IS BEFORE THE BOARD, THEN IT CAN THOUGH NO, TO ITS RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT.
YOU VOTE NO ON THE RESOLUTION.
MR. TITUS, WAS THAT IN NOW? OKAY.
NO, MR. JOHNS, MR. KING, NO EMOTION FOULS ZERO TO SIX.
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WILL THIS GO BEFORE THE BOARD? YEP.THIS SHOULD ACTUALLY GO TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AT IT'S APRIL 20TH MEETING.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE ARE TARGETING THE MARCH BOARD MEETING FOR THE, UH, FENTANYL APPLICATION.
UH, WE ARE EXPECTING THAT TO BE AN IN-PERSON MEETING, RECALL FENTANYL.
WE HAD EXTENSIVE CITIZEN COMMENT.
UH, IT WAS VERY LONG MEETING AND, UH, UH, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE, THE PRINCIPAL ITEM ON THE BOARD'S MARCH AGENDA.
SO, UH, TH THE APPLICATIONS THAT ARE, THAT YOU ALL ARE CONSIDERING TONIGHT ARE GONNA BE, UH, MOVED OUT TO THE APRIL 20TH MEETING.
SO IT WAS NOT TO OVERLOAD THE MARCH AGENDA.
[Application No. UP-962-21, Andrew Piske]
WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, WHICH IS APPLICATION NUMBER U P DASH NINE 62 DASH 21.AND I BELIEVE THAT, UH, ANDREW
GIVE ME JUST A MINUTE HERE TO SORT OF SURE.
I GOT EVERYBODY IN HERE DOING DOUBLE DUTY TONIGHT.
THIS IS APPLICATION A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A HOME OCCUPATION, UH, TO AUTHORIZE FIREARM SALES AND GUNSMITHING AS A HOMEOWNER, UM, WITH ONSITE CUSTOMER CONTACT, UH, LOCATED AT TWO ONE, ONE HENRY LEAD LANE IN THE GAINS OF STATE SUBDIVISION.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS SHOWN HERE ON OUR ZONING MAP.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS, UM, A ZONED R 20 AND IS ABOUT 0.4 OF AN ACRE.
AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE, UM, RESIDENTIAL AND ALSO ZONED ARE 20 MEDIUM DENSITY, SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S AN AERIAL SHOT OF THE PROPERTY.
THE PROPERTY IS HIGHLIGHTED AGAIN IN RED, AND, UH, THE APPLICANT WOULD, UM, BE, WOULD HAVE A GUN SALES IN TWO LOCATIONS, UH, AND GUNSMITHING WITHIN THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND TWO LOCATIONS, ONE WITHIN THE HOUSE, WHICH I'LL EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT AND THEN ANOTHER IN A DETACHED GARAGE.
SO JUST SHOW YOU A FEW PICTURES OF THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS THE, UM, THE HOUSE ITSELF, UM, SANDY FROM THE SIDE, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE DRIVEWAY AREA.
UH, THE AFRICAN HAS PROPOSED TO HAVE A, UH, LARGER DRIVEWAY AREA EXPANSION HERE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE TO ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL, UM, PARKING.
UH, THE, UH, USE WILL ALSO BE IN THE DETACHED GARAGE HERE BEHIND THE FENCE.
AND I SHOW YOU BEHIND THE FENCE.
SO WILL BE INSIDE OF HERE IS A DOOR ON THE SIDE THAT, UH, WHERE YOU CAN, WHERE YOU CAN ACCESS, UH, THE PROMOTERS GUNSMITHING HOME OCCUPATION IS DEFINED BY THE ORDINANCE AS DESIGNING, MAKING, OR REPAIRING A FIREARMS. AND IT WOULD UTILIZE AN AREA OF THE DETACHED GARAGE FOR A PART OF THIS USE AND A SPACE WITHIN THE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING FOR RECORD KEEPING AND CUSTOMER CLIENT CONTACT.
THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THAT THE USE WOULD NOT INCLUDE ANY KIND OF DISCHARGE OF FIREARMS OR THE SALE OF AMMUNITION ON THE PROPERTY.
AND A CONDITION HAS BEEN INCLUDED TO PROPOSE THAT PROHIBITS BOTH OF THOSE ACTIVITIES.
ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A GUN SAFE ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, IT IS BOLTED TO THE FLOOR ABOUT A THOUSAND POUNDS SAFE, UM, AND IT WOULD BE USED TO STORE FIREARMS, UH, THAT THAT ARE FOR CUSTOMERS ON THE SITE THAT ARE BEING WORKED ON.
ACCORDING TO THE FLOOR PLANS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
PROPOSED OCCUPATION WOULD INCLUDE ABOUT 168 SQUARE FEET OF CUSTOMER, CLIENT CONTACT AREA WITHIN THE HOME, AND THEN 128 SQUARE FEET OF SHOP AREA IN THE DETACHED GARAGE.
UH, CUSTOMER ACCESS TO THE HOME OCCUPATION WOULD BE THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR OF THE DWELLING.
UH, THERE WOULD BE NO CUSTOMER CLIENT CONTACT IN THE DETACHED GARAGE.
SO THE ONLY ACCESS WOULD BE THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR, UH, THE ZONING ORDINANCE, STIPULATES CERTAIN PERCENTAGES OF HOW LARGE A USE CAN BE WITH ON THE SITE WITHIN THE SITE.
UH, THE ORDINANCE SAYS IT CAN BE, UH, IT'S NOT PERMITTED TO OCCUPYING
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MORE THAN 25% OF THE FLOOR AREA OF THE RESIDENCE OR 400 SQUARE FEET.WHICHEVER IS LESS UNLESS THE BOARD AUTHORIZES THE LARGER AMOUNT.
UM, IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICANT'S HOME IS ABOUT 2,403 SQUARE FEET OF FLOOR AREA.
AND THE PROPOSED USED TO BE WITHIN THE WITHIN 296 SQUARE FEET OF FLOOR AREA, WHICH EQUALS OUT TO ABOUT 12% OF THE TOTAL FLOOR AREA FOR THE HOME.
SO IT IS BELOW THE ALLOWANCE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE OFF STREET PARKING, UM, NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED FOR ANY HOME OCCUPATION.
AND IT INCLUDES, UH, MUST INCLUDE TWO SPACES, UH, THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THE RESIDENTIAL USE.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO THIS PARKING AREA IS SHOWN HERE OFF TO THE SIDE AND THE MAIN DRIVEWAY.
UH, YOU CAN SEE AS A VERY LARGE DRIVEWAY, SO 32 BY 20, AND IT COULD FIT UP TO THE FOUR REQUIRED CARS, PLUS A COUPLE ADDITIONAL, UM, AS NEEDED ZONING ORDINANCE, ALSO LIMITS CUSTOMER CLIENT CONTACT TO THE HOURS OF 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM, MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
UM, UNLESS IT'S CHANGED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, THE APPLICANT, HOWEVER, IS DOING LESS THAN THAT.
HE IS ONLY GOING TO DO MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY FROM 9:00 AM TO 4:00 PM.
AND THESE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE WITHIN THE RESOLUTION AS A CONDITION.
CUSTOMERS WOULD BE BY APPOINTMENT ONLY.
SO NO MORE THAN ONE CUSTOMER AT A TIME, UM, AND TO ALLOW MONITORING AND COMPLIANCE OF THIS ONE CUSTOMER AT A TIME LIMIT, THERE IS A CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT KEEPING AN APPOINTMENT BOOK AND MAKE THAT AVAILABLE TO ZONING CODE AND ENFORCEMENT, UH, WHEN THEY COME OUT AND DO THEIR ANNUAL INSPECTION OR UPON REQUEST.
UM, THIS REQUIREMENT FOR THE APPOINTMENT BOOK FOR REVIEW IS PART OF OUR VARIOUS OTHER SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
AND IN A WAY WHERE WE INVOLVE ON PREMISE CUSTOMER CONTACT AS THIS IS JUST FOR THE PURPOSE OF VERIFYING THIS CUSTOMER NUMBERS, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO LIST, YOU KNOW, NAMES OF CUSTOMERS OR COLLECT ANY IDENTIFYING INFORMATION OR TYPE OF FIREARMS, AMOUNT OF SALES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IT'S JUST SO THAT WE CAN KEEP TRACK OF AND VERIFY THAT INFORMATION.
UM, THEIR HABITS, SEVERAL, SEVERAL SPECIAL USE PERMITS, AUTHORIZED FOR ONSITE CUSTOMER CONTACT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE HOME OCCUPATION, WHERE YOUR FIREARMS OR REPAIR AND SALES ARE INVOLVED.
UH, HERE'S A LIST OF, UH, UH, FIVE.
UM, AND ALSO WE ALSO TALKED WITH OUR ZONING CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO SEE IF ANY, UM, ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS HAD BEEN MADE AGAINST ANY OF THESE APPLICATIONS.
UM, OR HAD THERE BEEN ANY CALLS TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND NONE HAVE BEEN, UM, OVER THE PAST.
UH, NO COMPLAINTS HAVE BEEN MONITORED FOR ANY OF THESE USES TO OUR ZONING CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICES.
AND OUR SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS NOT HAD ANY CALLS TO THESE PROPERTIES IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
UH, THE PROPOSED HOME OCCUPATION PROVIDED THAT AS OPERATED IN THE MANNER THAT IS DESCRIBED BY THE APP AND WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH, UH, THE TYPE AND INTENSITY OF ACTIVITY APPROVED FOR OTHER HOME OCCUPATIONS AND INCLUDE CUSTOMER CONTACT.
AND WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY KIND OF ADVERSE IMPACTS ON SURROUNDING AREA.
PARKING IS LIMITED TO THE DRIVEWAY AND THE HOME OCCUPANT OR THE HOME BUSINESS SHOP AREAS LOCATED IN AN EXISTING GARAGE, UH, AND CUSTOMER CLIENT CONTACT WOULD BE LOCATED IN THE HOME SO THAT WE DON'T THINK THERE'LL ANY CHANGE.
UH, WE DON'T FORESEE ANY CHANGE TO THE EXTERIOR, BUT STILL LOOK LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, UH, CONDITIONS ARE SUFFICIENT.
WE FAIL TO ENSURE THAT IT REMAINS A VERY SMALL SCALE OPERATION, CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT OF WHAT HOME OCCUPATIONS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ACCORDING TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND, UM, WE WOULD, UH, YOU CAN, UM, ADOPT, UH, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU RECOMMEND APPROVAL, SORRY.
AND YOU CAN DO THAT THROUGH THE ADOPTION OF PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER, PC 21 DASH FIVE.
AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANYBODY HAS ON THE APPLICATION.
THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, MR. ANDERSON, I'LL ASK OUR COMMISSIONERS WHO, IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS TIME, IT'S KINDA OFF THE WALL, BUT, UM, REMIND ME ABOUT SIGNAGE.
THERE'S NO SIGNAGE FOR DAYS, CORRECT.
UNDER THE ZONING ORDINANCE CURRENTLY, THERE IS NO ALLOWANCE FOR SIGNAGE TO BE PLACED UP, AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT DOESN'T HAVE ANY INTENTION OF HAVING ANY KIND OF SIGNAGE.
ANYBODY ELSE AT THIS TIME? OKAY.
HERE ARE NON, UH, MR. ANDERSON.
ALL RIGHT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO HIM.
UH, ANDREW PESKY TWO 11 HENRY LEE LANE.
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10 MINUTES.UM, SO APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO OVER THIS AND ANSWER QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, YOUR COUNTY DISTRIBUTES FLYERS TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES FOR ALL THE SUP'S AND THAT FLYER WAS CONCERT OR LETTER RATHER WAS CONSEQUENTLY DISTRIBUTED TO THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD OF BRANDYWINE BY ONE OF THE CITIZENS.
SO AS A RESULT, I RECEIVED A BIT OF INTEREST IN IT, WHICH AFFORDED ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS.
AND CONSEQUENTLY, I RECEIVED A DECENT AMOUNT OF SUPPORT FOR THIS, UH, APPLICATION AS WELL, BUT I WAS ABLE TO GLEAN A COUPLE OF THEMES OUT OF THOSE QUESTIONS THAT I RECEIVED DIRECTLY, AS WELL AS THAT WERE SENT IN TO MR. ANDERSON, WHICH I BELIEVE WERE SENT OUT TO YOU ALL.
UM, ONE OF THE BIG ITEMS WAS TRAFFIC.
SO OBVIOUSLY EVERYONE'S CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF PEDESTRIANS, INCREASED NOISE, ET CETERA.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I TO TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY.
I UNDERSTAND IT'S A NARROW ROAD, UM, AND I'M NOT LOOKING FOR ANY MORE INCREASED TRAFFIC THAN AMAZON HAS ALREADY AFFORDED US.
UM, AND I FEEL LIKE THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE AN ISSUE WITH THAT AT ALL.
AND I'LL GO INTO THE, THE MORE OF THE SPECIFICS ON THAT HERE MOMENTARILY.
UM, ONE OF THE OTHER ITEMS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS, WAS CRIME.
AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REAL EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THIS.
I THINK THE FACT THAT, UH, THE STAFF DID THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND SOUGHT OUT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE INFORMATION ON SIMILAR PROJECTS.
AND THERE'S BEEN NO DATA TO SUPPORT THAT IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
AND I'M CERTAINLY NOT ONE TO, UH, CHANGE THAT TRACK RECORD.
UM, I'M DOING THIS WITH THE, THE ASSISTANCE OF THE ATF, I'M FOLLOWING ALL OF THEIR POLICIES AND GUIDELINES, STATE POLICE GUIDELINES.
UM, THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF DOING THIS ON THE UP AND UP.
UH, THIS IS BY NO MEANS SOME SORT OF, UM, SIDE HUSTLE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LEGITIMATE USE OF FIREARMS. UM, THE OTHER LAST THEME THAT I, I WAS ABLE TO REFERENCE FROM EVERYONE'S COMMENTS WAS PRECEDENT.
FOLKS WERE CONCERNED THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE, UM, PRECEDENT SET THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WAS GOING TO TURN INTO A COMMERCIAL ZONED AREA.
AND I THINK AS YOU ALL CAN APPRECIATE, THERE'S A REASON FOR THESE PERMITS.
THERE'S A REASON FOR YOUR REVIEW AND THAT'S NOT WHAT'S INTENDED HERE.
AND I WOULD CERTAINLY HOPE THAT THAT'S NOT, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
THERE ARE QUITE A NUMBER OF HOME-BASED BUSINESSES THROUGHOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT THOSE NON-CUSTOMER FACING BUSINESSES HAVE A GREATER IMPACT THAN WHAT I AM PROPOSING.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE, UM, CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES OR LANDSCAPING COMPANIES WHO HAVE LETTERED VEHICLES AND TRUCKS AND TRAILERS DRIVING DOWN THE ROADS EVERY DAY, UH, TO ME, THAT'S A BIGGER IMPACT THAN WHAT I'M PROPOSING.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL KIND OF GO OVER THINGS AT A HIGH LEVEL, UM, AND THEN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE.
SO, FIRST AND FOREMOST, UM, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EDUCATION ON HOW ATF TRANSFERS WORK.
THAT IS ONE COMPONENT OF THE BUSINESS THAT I'M PROPOSING.
SO THIS IS FOR FOLKS WHO PURCHASE FIREARMS FROM AN ONLINE RETAILER.
SO I'M NOT ACTUALLY THE RETAILER OF THE FIREARMS. I AM STRICTLY THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ATF WHO IS SUBMITTING THE BACKGROUND CHECKS TO THOSE STATE POLICE, UM, AND VERIFYING THEIR DOCUMENTATION.
SO THAT OBVIOUSLY IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN PERSON.
SO ANY ONLINE SALES NEEDS TO GO THROUGH A LOCAL REPRESENTATIVE OF VIRGINIA RECENTLY PASSED LEGISLATION AS WELL, THAT PROPOSES SIMILAR BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR PRIVATE SALES OF FIREARMS. SO THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER SERVICE THAT I'M PROVIDING.
AGAIN, I'M NOT BUYING AND SELLING THE FIREARM, I'M ACTING AS THE MIDDLEMAN TO COMPLETE THE, UM, BACKGROUND CHECKS AS AN FFL.
THE COMPONENT OF THE BUSINESS IS GUNSMITHING.
SO THIS IS, UH, THE RESTORATION OF FIREARMS, UH, MODIFICATION, UH, ASSEMBLY, A PRE-MANUFACTURED COMPONENTS.
UM, THIS ISN'T SOME MASS MANUFACTURING EFFORT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UH, THIS IS DONE WITH PREDOMINANTLY HAND TOOLS, UH, THE SAME TOOLS USED FOR THESE ACTIVITIES I'VE USED FOR PERSONAL USE AND HOBBIES, AND MY WORKSHOP FOR YEARS WITH NO NOISE COMPLAINTS OR CONCERNS FROM NEIGHBORS, UM, AS FAR AS BUSINESS OPERATIONS.
SO MR. ANDERSON WENT OVER MY HOURS AND WENT OVER THE APPOINTMENT, UM, SCHEDULING.
SO OTHER COMPONENTS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS ADVERTISING.
SO OBVIOUSLY THERE ISN'T GOING TO BE ANY SIGNAGE, UM, FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES.
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FOR NO ONE TO REALIZE THAT THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS HOME, BECAUSE THAT SERVES MY BEST INTEREST, AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITIES.UM, I'M NOT GOING TO BE CREATING ONLINE WEBSITES.
I'M NOT GOING TO BE HANDING OUT CARDS WITH MY ADDRESS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, SO, UH, MY, MY CARDS AND ANY ONLINE PRESENCE IS STRICTLY GOING TO HAVE A BUSINESS PHONE NUMBER.
UM, BUT THE REALITY IS I'M NOT DOING THIS.
UH, I DON'T HAVE THE INTENT TO ADVERTISE AND PROMOTE THIS PUBLICLY.
UH, THIS IS REALLY, UH, UH, WORD OF MOUTH TYPE OF LINE OF WORK.
AND THAT'S WHAT I INTEND ON CONTINUING.
UM, THE QUESTION WAS BROUGHT UP OF WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEBODY JUST SHOWS UP AND DOESN'T FOLLOW MY APPOINTMENT GUIDELINES.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT TO ME IS A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD ISSUE.
THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO FOLLOW MY BUSINESS POLICIES, THEN THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE A CUSTOMER OF MINE CUSTOMER.
I'M NOT IN A POSITION WHERE I'M DESPERATE FOR CUSTOMERS.
UM, SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE THE PATIENCE FOR SOMEONE WHO'S NOT GOING TO FOLLOW THOSE SIMPLE GUIDELINES.
UM, AS FAR AS CIRCLING BACK TO THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS AND JUST GENERAL, UM, THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL AND PEOPLE DON'T WANT A WHOLE BUNCH OF CUSTOMERS IN THIS.
THE WORK THAT I'M, THAT I'M DOING IS HIGH-END CUSTOM WORK.
UH, THIS, THIS STUFF TAKES TIME.
SO I'M NOT IN A POSITION WHERE I CAN OR WOULD BE TAKING ON TONS OF CUSTOMERS AT ANY GIVEN TIME.
UM, THE REALITY IS THAT, UM, THIS IS GOING TO BE A FEW CUSTOMERS PER WEEK, UM, NOT EVEN, UH, DAILY APPOINTMENTS.
UM, AND AGAIN, SOMEBODY ASKS THE DEFINITION OF WHAT APPOINTMENTS ARE FOR ME AND ANY CUSTOMER CONTACT IS AN APPOINTMENT.
SO SOMEBODY IS GOING TO COME BY TO DROP SOMETHING OFF, IT'S SLOTTED AS AN APPOINTMENT.
IF SOMEONE'S COMING BY TO PICK SOMETHING UP, TO PAY FOR SOMETHING TO DO PAPERWORK, ALL OF THAT IS SLOTTED IN AS AN APPOINTMENT.
UM, THE, ANOTHER ASPECT OF THAT IS MY GOAL AGAIN, IS TO MINIMIZE ANY IMPACT TO MYSELF, MY FAMILY AND MY COMMUNITY.
SO ANYTIME THAT BUSINESS CAN BE DONE, SO PICKING UP AND DROPPING OFF OF CUSTOMER'S EQUIPMENT, THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT I'M WILLING AND INTENDING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, SAME WITH THE SHIPMENT OF ITEMS. IF I'M LEGALLY ALLOWED TO SHIP IT AS AN IT'S NOT A SERIALIZED ITEM, THEN IF THEY'RE AN OUT OF STATE OR OUT OF AREA CUSTOMER, EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE HANDLED THROUGH THE MAIL.
UM, AGAIN, THE QUESTION WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT, OKAY, IF YOU START CREATING CUSTOM PARTS OR THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE YOUR CUSTOMER LOAD.
THOSE WERE ALL GOING TO BE PARTS THAT ARE ABLE TO BE MAILED.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT MY HOUSE TO TURN INTO A REVOLVING DOOR ANY MORE THAN MY NEIGHBOR WOULD.
UM, SO, UH, ONE LAST NOTE ON THAT IS, UM, AGAIN, TRYING TO MINIMIZE IMPACT TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THE TRANSPORTATION OF THE FIREARMS FROM CUSTOMERS' VEHICLES TO MY HOUSE, EVERY EFFORT IS GOING TO BE MADE TO CONCEAL THAT.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN A CASE THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN THE SHIPPING BOX, THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN SOME SORT OF CONTAINER.
SO THAT AGAIN, SOMEBODY WALKING DOWN THE STREET DOESN'T REALIZE WHAT'S GOING ON AND IT, IT SOUNDS OVERLY PARANOID, BUT THE REALITY IS, UM, I UNDERSTAND, AND I APPRECIATE THAT THERE ARE FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY, IN THE COUNTRY THAT ARE SENSITIVE TO FIREARMS. SO I'M NOT TRYING TO PUSH THAT AGENDA ON ANYBODY.
I'M JUST TRYING TO PROVIDE A SERVICE.
SO THAT AGAIN IS SOMETHING THAT I DO TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY.
UM, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE AN INVENTORY OF FIREARMS. I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THINK THAT I'M JUST GOING TO HAVE A DISPLAY CASE IN THE LIVING ROOM FULL OF GUNS FOR SALE.
AGAIN, THE BULK OF THE BUSINESS IS GUNSMITHING AS WELL AS TRANSFERS, WHERE, AGAIN, I'M NOT THE RETAILER OF THE FIREARM.
UM, I'VE GOT SECURITY CAMERAS, UH, COVERING THE INSIDE AND OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE OF THE SAFE.
WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT DIGITAL KEYPAD, UH, ACCESS LOCKS TO ALL OF THESE AREAS ARE IN PLACE.
I HAVE A FOUR YEAR OLD DAUGHTER, SO I'M OBVIOUSLY NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING TO JEOPARDIZE THE SAFETY OF MY FAMILY.
UM, AND LASTLY, THIS ISN'T SOME, AGAIN, SOME LARGE-SCALE PRODUCTION, UM, THIS IS TIME CONSUMING WORK, UH, WITH A LIMITED CUSTOMER BASE.
IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT TURNS INTO A MUCH LARGER BUSINESS ENDEAVOR, THEN IT'S MY INTENTION TO MOVE INTO A APPROPRIATELY ZONED BRICK AND MORTAR FACILITY.
UM, I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO MY HOUSE TO ACCOMMODATE FOR.
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IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE.UH, WE WILL ASK OUR COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS MR. JOHNS? YES.
UM, I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF, OF, UH, TALKING ABOUT SAFETY AND THE NATURE OF HIS BUSINESS.
I DID RECEIVE A PHONE CALL THAT WAS IN THE OPPOSITION AND PRIMARILY THE SEEMED LIKE THE CENTRAL CONCERN WAS, UH, GUN SALES.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE TWO LETTERS POSSIBLY SUBMITTED HERE.
I MAY HAVE GOTTEN THEM MIXED UP WITH THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION.
SO I WANT TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS THAT WOULD HELP ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT PEOPLE WHO WERE OPPOSED TO THIS TO ENLIGHTEN THEM.
UM, WELL, UH, LET ME ASK YOU WHAT, WHAT, WHAT REALLY IS INVOLVED IN BEING LICENSED BY THE ATF? UM, I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT, BUT I THINK THAT THAT WOULD ALSO HELP ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT MAYBE YOUR NEIGHBORS OR SOME PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, PATH.
SO TO SUM IT UP A LOT OF PAPERWORK, UM, SO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT BEING WHAT IT IS, UH, CONSTANTLY CHANGING.
SO I'VE GOT A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LOCAL, THE NORFOLK FIELD OFFICE.
UM, I AM UPHELD TO VERY STRICT RECORD KEEPING.
SO I'VE GOT TO MAINTAIN RECORDS OF ALL THE CONTENT OR CUSTOMERS, SO NAMES AND THEIR INFORMATION, SERIAL NUMBERS OF FIREARMS THAT I'VE WORKED ON OR BEEN IN POSSESSION OF THOSE RECORDS HAVE ALL GOTTA BE MAINTAINED FOR YEARS.
UM, I'M SUBJECT TO ATF AUDIT AT ANY GIVEN TIME, SO THEY CAN SHOW UP ON MY DOOR ON A TUESDAY AND SAY, LET ME SEE ALL OF YOUR RECORDS.
UM, AND THEN I NEED TO BE ABLE TO PRODUCE ALL THOSE.
UH, THEY CAN ALSO INSPECT MY WORK AREAS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS BEING STORED AND KEPT PROPERLY.
UM, SO THEY'VE GOT PAGES AND PAGES OF GUIDELINES THAT I NEED TO FOLLOW IN ORDER TO SUCCESSFULLY ACHIEVE AND MAINTAIN A FFL STATUS.
DOES THAT KINDA ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH.
UM, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION HERE.
WOULD I BE ABLE TO, I SAY, IF I WANTED YOU TO SERVICE A GUN THAT I HAVE, WOULD I BE ABLE TO BRING A LOADED GUN? NO, NO.
I MEAN, I LAUGH BECAUSE IT'S, TO ME, THAT'S THE LITMUS TEST OF THE CUSTOMER THAT I DO NOT NEED TO HAVE INVOLVED IN MY BUSINESS.
SO, UM, NO, I MEAN, I KNEW THE ANSWER, BUT I'M JUST ASKING.
NO, NO, NO, I, I APPRECIATE IT.
AND YES, THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT FOLKS NEED TO HEAR.
UM, AND I MEAN, THERE, THERE ARE DEFINITELY SITUATIONS WHERE, UM, A ROUND COULD BE STUCK IN THE BARREL IN THE CHAMBER, AND I'M GOING TO ADVISE THE CUSTOMER TO LEAVE IT THERE AT THEIR HOME.
THEY DON'T NEED TO BE TRANSPORTING THAT AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A SAFE WAY TO HANDLE THAT.
AND IF THAT CAN NOT BE DONE AGAIN, THAT'S A CUSTOMER THAT I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE ON.
I'M NOT GONNA PUT ANYONE IN JEOPARDY.
WELL, I CERTAINLY THINK THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, TAKING EVERY REASONABLE AND RESPONSIBLE, UM, MEASURE THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN, UH, TO, TO, UH, CONDUCT THIS BUSINESS SAFELY.
SO I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR BEING SO THOROUGH.
UM, OTHER COMMISSIONERS, MR. STARK.
SO I JUST FOLLOWING ON WITH MANI, I JUST TOOK TO CIRCLE BACK.
THERE IS NO SALES OF FIREARMS OCCURRING AT YOUR BUSINESS.
I MEAN, PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO COME AND BUY AND SELL FIREARMS THROUGH YOU.
THIS IS STRICTLY A BUSINESS TO SERVICE A WEAPON TO CLEAN IT, TO MAKE SURE IT'S WORKING PROPERLY.
I, I SAY CORRECT WITH A LITTLE BIT OF CAVEAT.
SO THE THERE'S NOT AN INVENTORY OF FIREARMS THAT WOULD BE ONSITE THAT SOMEBODY CAN WALK UP AND SAY, LET ME SEE WHAT YOU HAVE.
I WOULD LIKE TO PURCHASE A FIREARM THAT IS NOT A SERVICE THAT I'M PROVIDING THE FFL.
THE TRANSFER IS WHERE I HATE TO SAY, BUT IT GETS A LITTLE CONFUSING.
SO IF SOMEBODY GOES ONLINE AND PURCHASES A FIREARM, THEN THAT WOULD BE SHIPPED TO ME STORED PROPERLY.
THEY WOULD SHOW UP, THEY HAVE THEIR BACKGROUND CHECK.
IF EVERYTHING CHECKS OUT CLEAR, THEN THEY WALK HOME WITH THE FIREARM THAT THEY PURCHASED FROM THE RETAILER.
IF IT DOES NOT COME BACK CLEAR, THEN THE FIREARM GETS RETURNED TO THE RETAILER WHERE IT CAME FROM.
UM, SO THAT IS WHERE I SAY NO, BUT THERE IS TRANSFERS DONE.
BUT MY ROLE IN THAT IS STRICTLY AS THE, UM, THE
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BACKGROUND CHECKER, IF YOU WILL, WHO HAS ACCESS TO THE STATE POLICE BACKGROUND CHECK WEBSITE WHO SUBMITS THAT PAPER? SO FALL ON QUESTION THEN, IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT PERCENTAGE OF YOUR BUSINESS DO YOU THINK THAT IS? I MEAN, IS IT MORE THE TREND OF FACILITATION OF, OF THAT KIND OF TRANSACTION OR IS IT MORE GUNSMITHING TO WHERE IF I HAVE A GUN THAT I NEED TO BE SERVICED AND MAINTENANCE AND CLAIMED AND MAKE SURE IT'S PROPERLY USED? I MEAN, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT SURE.FROM, FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT IS VERY MUCH SO THE GUNSMITHING EFFORT.
SO THE, THE TRANSFERS, UM, THAT IS A, A 20, $25 FEE THAT I CHARGE FOR OVER AN HOUR OF MY TIME.
AND THAT IS OBVIOUSLY AS A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE, NOT IDEAL.
UM, AND THEN I'VE GOT TO MAINTAIN ALL THOSE RECORDS AND SUBJECT MYSELF TO A LOT OF SCRUTINY TO MAKE 20 OR $25.
UM, THAT'S NOT A REVENUE GENERATING SERVICE THAT IS A, A ADD SERVICE, A CONVENIENCE TO MY CUSTOMER BASE.
UM, THE BULK OF THE WORK, LIKE I SAID, IS GOING TO BE THE CUSTOM WORK, THE REPAIR, THE RESTORATION, UM, THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE, IF YOU WILL, MR. TITUS, YES.
QUESTION WHEN YOU RESTORE A WEAPON OR HAVE A WEAPON THAT, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, IF I HAD A WEAPON THAT DOESN'T FIRE AND I BRING IT OVER TO YOU AND YOU REPAIR IT OH, TO ENSURE THAT IT IS REPAIRED PROPERLY, DO YOU TAKE IT TO SOMEPLACE TO FIRE IT YOURSELF? OR DO YOU GIVE IT BACK TO ME TO TAKE IT SOMEWHERE TO FIRE ALL BEFORE I PAY YOU? OR WHAT'S THE PROCESS HERE? THAT'D BE A SITUATION BY SITUATION BASIS.
SO OBVIOUSLY, UM, DISCHARGE OF FIREARMS IS NOT GOING TO BE DONE ANYWHERE IN THE VICINITY OF THE RESIDENTS.
THAT'S AGAIN, I CHUCKLED AS IT STAYED IN THE OBVIOUS.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE LEVERAGING FACILITIES SUCH AS LAFAYETTE GUN CLUB DOES THE PUBLIC GUN RANGES, UM, UM, ALSO EARN, UM, 400 ACRES IN THE WESTERN PART OF THE STATE THAT I HAVE THE APPROPRIATE MEASURES TO DISCHARGE A FIREARM SAFELY.
UM, IF IT IS SOMETHING WHERE IT IS A MINOR REPAIR OR A COSMETIC THING, AND THE CUSTOMER IS COMFORTABLE, UM, TAKING THE WEAPON BACK WITHOUT IT BEING DISCHARGED, THEN THAT'S A SEPARATE SITUATION.
SO THEORETICALLY, YOU WOULD RUN UP TO LAFAYETTE GUN CLUB, YOU AND THE CUSTOMER PERHAPS MEET UP THERE, DISCHARGED THE FIREARM AND THEY'D BE HAPPY OR NOT HAPPY WITH IT.
AND A TRANSACTION WOULD PROCEED.
UM, WHO ELSE HAD THEIR HAND RAISED? I DISAGREE WITH MR. JOHNS.
YEAH, I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
SO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY.
SO THE ACTUAL SALES IS ONLY INVOLVED IN THE ACTUAL TRANSFERS THAT YOU WILL BE DOING WITH CUSTOMERS TECHNICALLY.
SO YOU'RE NOT SELLING OR STORING ANY, ANY GUNS ON SITE, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO YOU WOULD GO AND PURCHASE A FIREARM FROM A RETAILER ON, YOU WERE PAYING THEM THE CALL IT DOLLARS FOR THE FIREARM AND YOU'RE PAYING ME THE $20 FOR THE PAPERWORK.
SO IF I AM A CUSTOMER OF YOURS, WOULD, WOULD I BE ABLE TO BUY COMPONENTS OF A WEAPON FIREARM AND HAVE THEM SHIPPED TO YOU TO HAVE THEM BUILT AT YOUR BUSINESS? CORRECT? THAT IS I POSSIBILITY, YES.
SO AGAIN, NON SERIALIZED ITEMS NOT TO GET TOO TECHNICAL, UM, ARE NOT REGULATED.
THOSE ARE EASILY SHIPPED THROUGH THE POSTAL SERVICE REGULATED ITEMS WOULD HAVE TO GO TO A LICENSED PERSON.
UM, BUT THEN I AM AUTHORIZED TO ASSEMBLE THOSE PRE-MANUFACTURED COMPONENTS.
UM, AND, UM, GIVE THEM BACK TO THE INDIVIDUAL.
AND I SAY, GIVE THEM BACK BECAUSE THEY ARE PURCHASING THOSE COMPONENTS FROM AN ONLINE RETAILER.
THEY ARE NOT PURCHASING A FIREARM FOR ME.
THEY ARE PAYING ME FOR THE SERVICE TO ASSEMBLE THEM.
AND DO YOU HAVE, WE'RE STILL KEEPING RECORD OF THAT CORRECT.
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AT ANY, ANYTHING THAT GOES THROUGH MY HANDS IS DOCUMENTED FOR MY RECORDS AS WELL AS FOR THE ATS.UH, YOU HAVE MACHINES AT, IN YOUR WORKSHOP THERE, WHAT TYPE OF COMPONENTS ARE YOU CAPABLE OF MAKING? I THAT'S A OPEN-ENDED QUESTION.
I MEAN, IT'S, UH, WHAT DO YOU MAKE BARRELS? I DO NOT HAVE THESE SKILLS OR DESIRE TO CREATE A BARREL, BUT MORE, UH, MORE SMALLER COMPONENTS THAT, UH, HAND TOOLS AND MAYBE SOME POWER TOOLS THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE IN A MACHINE SHOP AT A CURRENT HOME, UH, PERSON WOULD HAVE CORRECT.
THERE'S THIS, ISN'T SOME HUGE CNC OPERATION WHERE IT'S A $30,000 PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT'S RUNNING DAY AND NIGHT, CHURNING OUT MANUFACTURING PARTS.
UM, AND THAT'S WHERE THE BULK OF MY WORK IS TRULY DONE WITH HAND TOOLS.
UM, AND IT'S NOT EVEN INVOLVING THE, I SAY THE BIGGER EQUIPMENT.
SO JUST TO KIND OF PUT SOME PERSPECTIVE HERE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN OVERSIZED DRILL PRESS.
UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT HUGE AGAIN, MANUFACTURING EQUIPMENT.
UM, IS, UH, IS THIS A HOBBY OR DO YOU DO THIS FOR A LIVING? JUST CURIOUS.
IT IS A, IT IS A HOBBY AT THIS TIME AS I'M GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO GET LICENSED AND TURN IT INTO A BUSINESS.
AND BY BUSINESS, I TRULY MEAN, UM, THIS IS A SIDE BUSINESS.
THIS IS NOT GOING TO TURN INTO THE PRIMARY OCCUPATION.
UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE, I'VE BEEN DOING FOR YEARS FOR FRIENDS AND FAMILY AND HELPING PEOPLE FIX THINGS.
AND IT'S KIND OF ONE OF THOSE, WELL, EVERYONE KEEPS ASKING ME, SO LET'S TRY TO MONETIZE THIS AND KNOW IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THEN I NEED TO GO THROUGH THE APPROPRIATE CHANNELS.
UM, PUT IN MY APPLICATION WITH THE ATF THAT WAS APPROVED UPON THE CONDITION OF, UH, YOUR COUNTY'S OUTCOME, BECAUSE THEY OBVIOUSLY TAKE ZONING VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT SAYING NON, UH, ANDERSON EARL, SEE IF THERE'S ANY, UH, CITIZENS THAT ARE CALLING IN.
SO WE HAVE A FEW CITIZENS RAISING THEIR HANDS, UM, WHILE, WHILE PEOPLE ARE RAISING THEIR HANDS, I NEEDED TO CLARIFY I, AND TALK ABOUT TO TWO OTHER THINGS.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO, YOU ASK ABOUT SIGNAGE.
UM, YOU, A HOME OCCUPATIONAL WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE SIGNAGE UP TO THREE SQUARE FEET, UM, IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO, UM, ADDITIONALLY, UM, WE RECEIVED SEVERAL OUR, I RECEIVED SEVERAL PHONE CALLS AND, UM, LETTERS, UH, THAT I HAVE FORWARDED.
I ADD INFORMATION ONTO THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS SO THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THEM.
UM, OUT OF THOSE, UH, PHONE CALLS HAD ABOUT 14 PHONE CALLS FOR PEOPLE WERE IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION.
FOUR PEOPLE WERE AGAINST THE APPLICATION AND THE OTHERS WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW TO ATTEND THE MEETING AND THE APPLICATION AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, WRITTEN COMMENTS, I RECEIVED 11 WRITTEN COMMENTS, UH, THREE WERE OF SUPPORT FOR THE APPLICATION, UH, SEVEN WERE AGAINST IT.
AND I HAD TO REPEAT IN THERE THE, UH, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND THERE, THAT'S WHY I WAS ONE ADDITIONAL LETTER.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE DID DO, WE WERE ABLE TO, UM, COMMUNICATE WITH THE COMMISSIONER OF THE REVENUE'S OFFICE TO FIND OUT HOW MANY BUSINESS LICENSES ARE IN THE BRANDYWINE SUBDIVISION.
CURRENTLY, THERE ARE 32 HOME OCCUPATIONS, UM, OUR BUSINESS LICENSES WITH A HOME OFFICE THAT ARE WHOLE OCCUPATIONS WITHIN BRANDYWINE THROUGHOUT, UM, UH, THE VARIOUS AREAS, UM, COUNTY HAS ABOUT TWO THAT OVER 2000 HOME OCCUPATIONS, UM, WHICH MAKES UP ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THE TOTAL BUSINESS LICENSES THAT THE COUNTY PUTS OUT.
SO, UH, YOU CAN SAY THE HOME OCCUPATIONS DO TAKE UP A GOOD PORTION OF THOSE THINGS.
SO, ALL RIGHT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND START BRINGING PEOPLE IN NOW.
ALL RIGHT, MR. POWELL, BRADFORD PAL, IF YOU'D LIKE TO UNMUTE YOURSELF, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES, SIR.
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WE CANNOT HEAR YOU, MR. PAL.ALL RIGHT, MR. POWELL, I'M GONNA PUT YOU BACK OUT AND MAYBE GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO FIGURE THAT OUT, AND THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND BREAK SOMEBODY ELSE AND WE'LL KEEP YOUR HAND UP.
I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND ALLOW MR. CLEGG, BOBBY CLEGG, GO AHEAD AND UNMUTE YOURSELF.
CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME OKAY? YES, SIR.
MR. CLIENT STATE YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? YES.
MY ADDRESS IS ONE 25 DUFF DRIVE AND THAT'S ON A IT'S YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA, TWO THREE SIX NINE TWO DASH TWO EIGHT ONE EIGHT.
UH, THE COMMISSION FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO, I THINK I'VE GOT THREE MINUTES.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, I'LL, I'D LIKE TO STAY AS AN OLD MILITARY GUY.
UM, I WAS DEAD SET AGAINST THIS, UH, JUST BECAUSE I'VE LIVED IN THIS RESIDENTIAL AREA FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS AND, UH, RAISED MY KIDS HERE.
AND, UH, AND I, I REALLY LIKED THE QUIETNESS OF IT.
I ALSO LIKED THE LAFAYETTE GUN CLUB, BUT THAT'S NOT WHERE WE'RE HERE.
SO I WAS DEAD SET AGAINST THIS.
UH, I APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE WORK THAT THE COMMISSION DID ON IT.
I DIDN'T EXPECT WHAT YOU CAME OUT WITH TO BE YOUR RESOLUTION.
UH, BUT HAVING HEARD MR.
I CAN SAY THAT, UH, SOME OF MY WORST THOUGHTS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED.
SO I THANK YOU, MR. PISS FOR, UH, FOR CLEARING US SOME THINGS.
I DO HAVE SOME, UH, AND I'M NOT TOTALLY SOLD ON IT, BUT I'M JUST ONE PERSON IN A CITIZEN.
WHO'S, WHO'S, UH, WHO'S SPEAKING.
UH, BUT YOU DID DUE DILIGENCE AND ANSWER SOME OF MY QUESTIONS.
I THINK, UH, UH, HAVING LIVED HERE FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS, LIKE I SAID, I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I ALWAYS GET CONCERNED WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHY RE WE REZONE THE RESIDENTIAL AREA AND WHAT THAT PURPOSE IS FOR.
UH, SO UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE 30, 30 OR SO BUSINESSES ALREADY HERE, UH, THIS IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ONE.
AND, UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO, UM, I GUESS MY, MY CONCERN WOULD STILL BE WHAT THIS DOES TO PROPERTY VALUES.
UH, BUT YOU'VE, YOU'VE, UH, YOU'VE PROBABLY LAID MOST OF THOSE IN YOUR DISCUSSION, MR.
UM, UM, AND SO I, I THINK I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
UM, I DID HAVE, UH, AND I, I THINK MR. ANDERSON MENTIONED THAT YOU CAN PUT UP A SIGN, UH, SIGNAGE.
UH, I LIKED WHAT YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE NOT GOING TO PUT UP SIGNAGE.
UH, I WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE A SIGNAGE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ALLOWED, THAT WOULD BE, UH, SOMETHING THAT I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE.
AND SO JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT FROM ONE 25 DEAF DRIVE, UM, I HAD A QUESTION ON YOUR, ON YOUR, UH, ATF LICENSE.
UM, I KNOW THAT THE LICENSE COVERS THE AUTHORIZED TYPE MODIFICATIONS THAT YOU'LL BE MAKING.
YOU SAID YOU'D BE KEEPING RECORDS OF ALL OF THOSE.
UM, AND THEN YOU HA OKAY, THANK YOU.
AFTER THE OTHER ONE, I WAS GOING TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT HOW MANY GUNS WOULD YOU HAVE ON SITE, BUT YOU ANSWERED THAT HAS BASICALLY A FLOW THROUGH, UH, GUNS COME IN GUNS, GO OUT.
SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE, UH, LIKE I'VE HAD IN THE PAST OR HAD FRIENDS HAVE, YOU KNOW, 50 GUNS WITH A LOCK BOX, UH, COMMENT OPEN.
SO I APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS, 30 SECONDS.
SO I, I AM NOT, NOT A BIG FAN OF IT, BUT YOU HAVE, UH, YOU, MR. PESKOV HAVE GIVEN ME, I WALK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN ME WALKING A LOT AND I RAISED MY KIDS HERE.
SO, UH, I WOULD GO WITH WHAT THE COMMISSION SAYS, BUT, UM, UH, I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US TO PUSH AWAY THE FEARS THAT I HAD, MY THOUSAND QUESTIONS.
I'M GOING TO BRING IN, UM, THE WERNERS AND THEY HAVE TWO SPEAKERS.
GO AHEAD, GUY WARNER, TWO, ONE, FOUR HENRY LANE.
CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES, SIR.
UM, APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S PERSPECTIVE ON THIS AND, UH, JUST BOTTOM LINE UP FRONT.
AND, UH, NOTHING THAT HAS SAID TO DATE HAS BEEN LAID BY MY PEERS.
MY PRIMARY CONCERN IS THAT TRAFFIC AND THE PROJECTIONS OF TRAFFIC, ANY LEVEL OF INCREASED TRAFFIC TO ME AS INJECTABLE.
THIS IS A VERY, VERY QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A LOT OF, UH, RETIREES ON BOARD.
AND, AND, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT RE RE CHARACTERIZATION DOES INCREASE PARKING LOT AND POTENTIAL SIGNAGE.
WELL, THE SAME POTENTIALLY RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.
UH, YET THAT IS PROJECTION IS NOT FOLLOWED THROUGH, AND THAT HAS LATITUDE TO, TO, TO MAKE THAT OVER, UM, E UH, IMPACT.
AS FAR AS TRAFFIC GOES SPECULATIVE, HOW MANY TIMES A WEEK, UH, THE, THE SOLE INTENT BE TO GROW A BUSINESS.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO GROW A BUSINESS BY WORD OF MOUTH, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
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WHATEVER, WHATEVER THAT PROJECTION OF INCREASED TIME CAN HAPPEN, THE LOGS AND NOT KEEPING NAMES OF A TIME PERIOD OF NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, CAN BE SOMETHING HAPPENS OUTSIDE OF IT.NOBODY'S GOING TO REALLY SAY ANYTHING, BUT IT'S GOING TO INCREASE TENSION IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT PEOPLE MEANS KIND OF SELF-POLICING UM, OVERALL, YOU KNOW, UH, THE, THE SAFETY ASPECT, THE INCREASED TRAFFIC, UH, THE, THE, THE CHARACTERIZATION OF PEOPLE, YOU HAVE CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMIT WHILE THERE'S NOT TRAFFIC PEOPLE, THERE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO COME THERE WITH CONCEALED WEAPONS.
SPRINT WILL BE LOADED, AND THAT'S THE KIND OF TRAFFIC WHILE IT'S CERTAINLY WITHIN THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS GOING TO BE THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC.
IF THAT I DON'T WANT DOWN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, IF NEED BE MY KIND OF FINAL THOUGHT HERE IS THAT THE GREATEST WAY TO REDUCE THE IMPACT IS TO TAKE THIS BUSINESS OUTSIDE OF THE ZONE ZONE 20 RESIDENTIAL, AND OPEN UP AN OFFICE EITHER AT LAFAYETTE YOUNG CLUB OR DOWN ON 17, WHERE THERE WERE LOTS OF PLACES THAT YOU CAN HAVE YOUR HOME BUSINESS AND DO IT TO, TO SUPPORT HOMELESS ENTERPRISE.
YOU CAN STILL DO THE WORK THERE, BUT WE DON'T NEED THE TRAFFIC HERE.
I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME ON MY STATEMENT.
THANK YOU, MR. WARNER, THERE WAS SOMEONE ELSE EARL ON HIS CALL.
MR. WARNER SAID HIS WIFE WANTED TO SPEAK ALSO, HI, THIS IS SANDY I'M AT TWO ONE FOUR HENRY LEE LANE.
AND, UM, WE CAME TO THIS RESIDENTIAL AREA FOR A GOOD AND SAFE PLACE TO LIVE, TO RAISE OUR CHILDREN, UM, REGARDING THE EDUCATION AFTER ALL IT'S YOUR COUNTY.
WE HAVE LIVED IN BRANDYWINE FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS, ENJOYING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, OUR NEIGHBORS IN OUR HOME.
AND I WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
UM, I THINK WE HAVE OVER 240 HOMES THAT I TRIED TO COUNT ON THE ZONING MAP, 240 HOMES IN THIS AREA.
THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA, NOT SO ON FOR BUSINESS.
AND IF WE WERE ABLE TO MULTIPLY THAT THE 240 HOMES BY TWO PEOPLE LIVING IN THE HOME, THAT'S 280.
IF I WENT TO THREE PEOPLE, THAT'S 760.
AND I WALK IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
I RIDE MY BIKE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
I SEE KIDS WALKING, RIDING, PLAYING, UM, ALL DIFFERENT FAMILIES, YOU KNOW, AND I WANT TO PROTECT THAT THIS IS NOT A COMMON BUSINESS.
I KNOW YOU MADE A POINT OF SAYING HOW MANY BUSINESSES ARE IN BRANDYWINE, BUT THESE ARE NOT FOR GUN SALES AND GUN REPAIR.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THAT ASPECT.
UM, I BELIEVE SUCH A BUSINESS SHOULD BE IN, UH, AREAS ZONED FOR BUSINESS.
I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE INCREASED TRAFFIC, THE SAFETY ISSUES, UM, IN THIS, ON THIS PARTICULAR STREET, WE'RE A CALL TO STAFF.
SO THAT MEANS EITHER PEOPLE ARE TURNING AROUND OR TURN IT AROUND IN DRIVEWAYS OR USING THE CUL-DE-SAC OR USING THE INTERSECTION.
SO ONE WAY, ONE WAY OUT THAT CONCERNS ME, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF KIDS PLAYING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY THINK IT'S SAFE AND THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY SUPERVISED.
UM, THE OTHER CONCERN IS TOO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE SOME FACTOR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, I DON'T KNOW ALL THESE ARE PROJECTIONS, AS FAR AS THIS APPLICANT GOES.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT YOU ONLY LOOKED AT FIVE BUSINESSES IN THE AREA THAT WERE ACTUALLY DOING, SELLING, DOING SIMILAR TYPES OF BUSINESSES.
I DON'T WANT TO BE THE, YOU KNOW, THE GUINEA PIG AREA, UM, THIS WATER, YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS.
SO I, I ALSO AM CONCERNED ABOUT PROTECTING MY INVESTMENT.
AND I THINK BECAUSE I KNOW PERSONALLY, I WOULD NOT SEEK TO LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THERE WAS GUN SALES AND WEAPON REPAIR.
I WOULD NOT, IT WOULD NOT EVEN BE AN OPTION.
I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE DEVALUE MEANT TO MY HOME AND MY NEIGHBOR'S HOMES.
AND I THINK I WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO CONSIDER, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL THIS WAS COMING IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR ACROSS THE STREET OR DOWN YOUR STREET? I HEARD THE FIRST THING THAT THE FIRST SESSION TONIGHT, AND YOU PROTECT IT, A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS A BUSINESS COMING IN.
I WANT YOU TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TONIGHT.
UH, YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND ARE ALL WEEK NEXT, PLEASE.
I'M GOING TO BRING IN, UM, AND, AND WARREN BAKER.
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CAN YOU HEAR US NOW? YES, MA'AM GO AHEAD.UM, WE HAVE LIVED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR APPROXIMATELY 26, 27 YEARS.
DID YOU GIVE YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE? OR? OH FOUR WHISPERING PINE DRIVE IN YORKTOWN TWO, THREE SIX NINE TWO.
MA'AM WHEN WE FIRST MOVED IN HERE, THERE WERE A GOOD NUMBER OF SMALL KIDS, YOUNGER KIDS.
THOSE KIDS GREW UP AND THEY GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE AND LEFT.
AND A FEW OF THEM CAME BACK AND BOUGHT HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS REGENERATING, IF YOU WILL.
YES, THERE ARE A LOT OF RETIREES HERE, BUT THERE ARE ALSO A LOT OF YOUNGER FAMILIES THAT ARE COMING IN WITH LITTLE KIDS, LITTLE KIDS WHO ARE RIDING THEIR BIKES AND THEY'RE RUNNING AROUND AND THEY'RE PLAYING AND YOU'RE GOING ONE STREET OVER TO SEE THEIR FRIEND AND KIDS DON'T THINK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND THEM ALL THE TIME.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN THE SCHOOL BUSES ARE COMING, THEIR SCHOOL BUS IS COMING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALL THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND EARLY EVENING.
UM, PART OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE'S A CUTS CUT THROUGH IF YOU WILL.
THAT GOES FROM LAKESIDE DRIVE OVER TO DARE ROAD.
AND SO WE DO GET A FAIR AMOUNT OF, OF TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH HERE.
I DO WORRY ABOUT THE TRAFFIC I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.
FIRST OF ALL, AND I IS YOUR NAME PRONOUNCED PISSED, NATS DUSKY, MR. PESCI, I DO APPRECIATE YOUR INTENTIONS AND THE FACT THAT YOU, I FEEL LIKE HAVE DONE, UM, EVERYTHING THAT YOU FEEL LIKE YOU CAN DO TO MAKE THIS AN, UM, A SAFE BUSINESS.
BUT I HAVE SOME CONCERNS OF BRINGING A BUSINESS AND IT'S DEALING WITH WEAPONS.
UM, I'M NOT A FAN OF WEAPONS, BUT I AM, AND YET I DON'T WANT SOMEONE TO NOT HAVE THEIR, THEIR LIVELIHOOD.
SO I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE TO TRY TO MAKE THIS AS SAFE AS YOU CAN, BUT I STILL FEEL THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO BRING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I DO THINK THAT IT SETS A PRECEDENCE FOR OTHER BUSINESSES THAT MIGHT WANT TO COME IN THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE THE HONORABLE INTENTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
UM, I THINK YOU DID ADDRESS SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT, THE TRAFFIC AND PEOPLE BEING CONCERNED ABOUT THE FIREARMS AND THE PRECEDENTS, THE PRECEDENT BEING SET FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 30 SECONDS.
I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT I WANT TO SAY.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE BEST FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THANK YOU, MS. BAKER, EARL NEXT PERSON.
I WILL BRING IN KATIE STERLING.
UM, KENNY STERLING HERE, UH, ONE OH THREE HENRY LEE.
I ACTUALLY, I ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE CUL-DE-SAC ON ONE OF THE THREE THAT SOME PREVIOUS PEOPLE SPOKE ABOUT.
UM, I HAVE A FOUR YEAR OLD DAUGHTER WHO PLAYS IN THE STREETS AND I ABSOLUTELY 100% SUPPORT ANDREW IN HIS EFFORTS TO TRY AND, UH, START A BUSINESS, BEING A BUSINESS OWNER HERE IN YORK COUNTY.
UM, TWO BUSINESSES ACTUALLY, UM, THEY BOTH WERE STARTED OUT, UH, OUT OF, UH, A HOME.
I DIDN'T HAVE MONEY TO GO AND RENT A SPACE TO START A BUSINESS, UM, OR, OR, OR A BUSINESS FRONT OR STOREFRONT.
I HAD TO START OUT OF THE HOUSE.
AND, UH, OVER SIX YEARS THAT HAS GROWN INTO A 12,000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE AND AN OFFICE.
BUT IN THE BEGINNING, UH, YOU GOTTA START SMALL TO ME LIVING RIGHT DOWN THE STREET HERE AND TO HERE IN THE HEARSAY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S REALLY SEEMS LIKE A WITCH HUNT AGAINST HIM.
IF YOU TAKE OUT THE GUN FACTOR, THE WEAPON FACTOR AND EVERYTHING ELSE STAYS IN THE PLAY, THERE WOULD BE NO QUESTION RIGHT NOW.
IF HE WANTED TO HAVE A BUSINESS BUILDING FISHING RODS IN HIS GARAGE, IT WOULD BE OKAY.
NOBODY WOULD SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
THE TRAFFIC WOULDN'T COME UP, THE KIDS WOULDN'T COME UP.
I AM HERE DURING THE WEEK OFF AND ON AT THE HOUSE.
I HAVE, I HAVE AN OFFICE IN MY HOUSE THAT'S CONNECTED TO MY BUSINESS.
I DON'T SEE THE TRACK THAT THESE FOLKS ARE TALKING ABOUT.
TO COMPLETELY HONEST WITH YOU.
IT'S NOT A THOROUGHFARE TO CUT FROM LAKESIDE TO DARE DRUG.
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IF YOU WOULD HAVE, IT WOULD BE A MONOTONOUS TRIP TO GO THROUGH THIS DIRECTION.UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A DREAM FOR ME TO START A BUSINESS.
AND I FEEL LIKE THIS GENTLEMEN IS TRYING TO DO THE SAME THING.
AND IF IT WAS TO GROW TO THE POINT THAT HE HAD AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC COMING IN, AND THAT GOT COMPLAINED ON, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD COME BACK AND BE ADDRESSED LATER.
BUT RIGHT NOW I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE.
IF, IF, IF, UH, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE CARS ARE COMING TO THIS HOME A WEEK, I DON'T REALLY SEE THAT BEING A PROBLEM.
IF IT GREW AND HIS BUSINESS WAS DOING PROSPEROUS, HE WOULD PROBABLY MOVE TO A, UH, A SHOP.
ANYWAY, HE WOULD HAVE TO, TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT TYPE OF A CLIENTELE.
UM, AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE THE WORD WEAPON OR GUN IS WHAT HAS PEOPLE CONCERNED, BUT I MEAN, THEY'RE LEGAL.
EVERYTHING HE WANTS TO DO, IT WAS A HUNDRED PERCENT LEGAL.
IF HE WAS BUILDING FISHING RODS OR, OR SKATEBOARDS OR CABINETS IN 30 SECONDS.
UM, ANYWAY, UH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT THAT SUMS IT UP FOR ME.
I THINK HE'S DOING A GOOD THING.
THANK YOU, MR. STERLING, WHO DO WE HAVE NEXT, MR. ANDERSON, RIGHT? MR. POWELL, GO AHEAD, MR. POWELL, UH, DID THE MIC GET WORKING EARL DOG? SO, SO MY ONLY CONCERN IS ACCESS PERIOD, AND THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE FOR MR. PESCI.
CAUSE I GOT TO TELL YOU, I'M HEARING THE STORY.
I LIKE WHAT I'M HEARING AND HOW TO MAKE CONSERVATIVES REALLY QUICK.
MY BAD BREAKFAST PAL TWO OH ONE GAINSWAVE YORKTOWN.
I AM DOWNSTREAM OF MR. FRISKIES HOUSE.
I DRIVE BY HIS PLACE EVERY SINGLE DAY.
MY BIGGEST CONCERN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS BUSINESS.
I THINK WHAT YOU'RE GETTING READY TO START ON IS A GREAT DEAL.
I HAVE TOTAL SUPPORT FOR YOU AND NO ISSUES WITH SAFETY, CONCERN, WEAPONS, SAFETY, ANY OF THAT STUFF.
MY ONLY CONCERN WITH IT IS IN IT.
YOU'RE YOU'RE GOING TO ADDRESS YOUR PIECE WITH PARKING SPOTS.
MY CONCERN IS WITH THE REST OF THE RESIDENTS IN THIS COMMUNITY, NOT GETTING THEIR CARS OFF THE STREET AND USING THE STREETS AS PARKING LOTS BEYOND THAT.
I THINK WHAT YOU'RE GETTING READY TO EMBARK ON IS GREAT.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, I'LL PROBABLY TOSS YOU SOME OF MY BUSINESS.
UH, SOME OF THE COMMENTS I'VE HEARD, I'M GOING TO GO FAST AND QUICK, UH, TEST FIRING LGC IF NEEDED TO DO IT.
THAT'S A GREAT PLACE TO DO IT.
UH, I THINK IT WAS MR. TITUS BROUGHT UP THE THING ABOUT, UH, UH, UH, TRANSFER OF WEAPONS.
QUITE FRANKLY, MAYBE IT WAS SOMEBODY ELSE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU'RE PROVIDING A VALUABLE SERVICE BECAUSE VIRGINIA JUST ENACTED A LOT.
AND IF I SOLD ANY ONE OF YOU BOARD MEMBERS, A WEAPON AND DID NOT GO THROUGH A ATF FIREARMS TRANSFER, I'D BE BREAKING THE LAW.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS A MISDEMEANOR UNDER CURRENT VIRGINIA LEGISLATION OR A FELONY, BUT I'D BE BREAKING THE LAW.
SO HAVING HIM CLOSE BY TO GIVE THAT SERVICE, THAT'S A SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY, EVERYTHING ON HERE AND SUPPORTS HIS BUSINESS, THE ALL, AND HE'S GOING TO TAKE CARE OF PARKING SPOTS.
YOU'VE SEEN MY LETTER, MR. ANDERSON.
HE CAN PROVIDE IT TO THE BOARD MEMBERS, SO YOU CAN HAVE A PIECE OF PAPER AND SAY, YEAH, BRAD SAID IT.
AND HE WROTE DOWN, MY, MY ISSUE IS SOLELY WITH RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY.
THEY'RE PARKING ON THE STREET, REDUCING ACCESS, HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS OPERATION.
SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
SO NOBODY'S SPEAKING IN AN INN TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE NOT SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF IT.
AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SPEAKING AGAINST IT ARE PEOPLE IN THE CARS ON THE STREETS.
SO USING IT AS A PARKING LOT, WHEN THEY'VE GOT A DETACHED GARAGE PARKED THE CAR IN THE DRIVEWAY, THAT'S GOT SLOTS AVAILABLE.
SO I HOPE YOU DO WELL, MR.
I'D LIKE TO SEE YOUR PARKING LOT, UH, YOUR PARKING SPACES IN PLACE BEFORE YOU GET THERE.
SO WE CAN HAVE CARS OFF THE STREET BECAUSE IT'S DRIVING ME CRAZY.
I HAD A FATHER-IN-LAW THAT HAD A MEDICAL PROBLEM.
WE WERE LUCKY TO GET THE AMBULANCE BACK INTO MY HOUSE BECAUSE ALL THE PEOPLE, BUT THEIR DARN CARS ON THE STREET HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR BUSINESS.
LET'S GET THE PARKING SPOTS IN THERE.
LET'S GET THE CARS OFF THE STREET AND WHAT'S GRANT HIM HIS ABILITY TO RUN A BUSINESS OVER.
THANK YOU, MR. PAL, MR. ANDERSON.
I'M GOING TO BRING IN CHRISTIE CHAMBERLAND.
GO AHEAD, MS. CHAMBERLAIN, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.
MA'AM GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
IT'S ONE TO SEVEN DEF DRIVE IN YORKTOWN TWO, THREE SIX, NINE TWO.
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SO I JUST WANTED TO, FIRST OF ALL, AS A LOCAL BUSINESS OWNER, I WANT TO WISH MR. PESCI, WELL, UH, OWNING A BUSINESS IS A LOT OF WORK.SO, UM, I GET IT AND I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THE DRAW OF WANTING TO RUN A BUSINESS OUT OF THE HOME TO KEEP OVERHEAD COSTS SLOWER.
UM, I UNDERSTAND ABOUT WHAT THE, UH, WHAT MR. ANDERSON SAID EARLIER ABOUT THERE BEING SO MANY HOME BUSINESSES IN YORK COUNTY, BUT THAT ACTUALLY DOESN'T GIVE US A WHOLE LOT OF INFORMATION, UM, BECAUSE WE OWN A HOME BUSINESS THAT'S SOLE PURPOSE IS TO HOLD THE REAL ESTATE PURCHASE OF THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT WE OWN FOR ME TO RUN MY OTHER BUSINESS.
SO REALLY, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE ANY SORT OF CUSTOMERS OR CARS ON THE STREETS AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I WILL SAY THAT REALLY IS MY ONLY CONCERN.
I DON'T LOVE GUNS, BUT I JUST KIND OF ASSUME THAT EVERYONE IN MY YORK COUNTY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS TONS OF GUNS IN THEIR HOMES.
UM, THAT IS REALLY NOT MY CONCERN.
IF MR. PESCI WAS MAKING FISHING RODS OR SKATEBOARDS, IF HE HAD CUSTOMERS COMING TO HIS HOME, THAT'S MY CONCERN.
SO MY CONCERN IS MAINLY PROPERTY VALUE AND OUR STREETS, THERE ARE CONSTANTLY CHILDREN AND ELDERLY PEOPLE AND FAMILIES OUT WALKING.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BRINGS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD VALUE.
UM, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH MR. PENSKE ABOUT THE AMAZON TRUCKS AND THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES.
UM, BUT I, I WISH THAT THOSE WOULD NOT BE THE CASE, BUT I ALSO JUST DON'T WANT TO ADD MORE TO IT.
SO MY, MY CHILDREN ARE GETTING OLD ENOUGH WHERE THEY'RE KIND OF ABLE TO GO AND EXPLORE ON THE BLOCK ON THEIR OWN AND JUST PUTTING MORE CARS IN THE STREET IS JUST WHAT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS JUST WHAT REALLY CONCERNS ME.
UM, HIS HOUSE IS BACK ON A CUL-DE-SAC THAT WE WALK AND RUN REGULARLY.
UM, I JUST REALLY, REALLY AM CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE GROWTH OF THE BUSINESS.
THE REASON YOU START A BUSINESS IS SO THAT IT'LL GROW AT WHAT POINT IS IT AT? WHAT NUMBER IS IT THAT WE DECIDE, OKAY, THERE'S TOO MANY CARS ON THE STREETS.
THERE'S TOO MANY CLIENTS WE NEED TO GO IN, OR HE NEEDS TO GO IN AND RENT A COMMERCIAL SPACE.
UM, THAT THAT'S DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT'S BEING REGULATED.
I HEAR PROMISES, BUT THAT'S NOT LAW.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, OUR STREETS ARE JUST IN OUR LITTLE RESIDENTIALLY ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY'RE GETTING BUSIER AND BUSIER.
UH, AND I THINK JUST LETTING MORE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE PEOPLE THAT COME IN TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS SOLELY FOR THE BUSINESS JUST ADDS MORE CARS TO THE STREET, MIX IT LESS SAFE, MAKES OUR PROPERTY VALUES GO DOWN.
I JUST THINK THAT BRANDYWINE WAS ZONED AS A RESIDENTIAL AREA FOR A REASON.
THIS BUSINESS SOUNDS LIKE IT SHOULD REALLY BE RUN OUT OF A COMMERCIALLY, A COMMERCIALLY ZONED SPACE.
UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE MY BUSINESS IS, AND I KNOW THAT SOUNDS SCARY, BUT I'M, UM, I'M, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DO IT.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, HAVE FAITH IN YOUR BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, PUT A LITTLE MONEY OUT IN THE BEGINNING AND RENT SOMETHING COMMERCIAL.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST, I THINK, WHERE THIS BELONGS.
THANK YOU, MS. CHAMBERLAIN, EARL.
UM, BOB M MR. BOB M PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
YES, ROBERT MCALLISTER ONE OH TWO FOXFIELD PLACE IN BRANDYWINE TWO, THREE SIX, NINE TWO.
UH, I HAD A NUMBER OF CONCERNS LIKE, UH, AS A LOT OF FOLKS DID.
UH, AND I STILL HAVE MOST OF MY QUESTIONS BEEN ANSWERED, BUT I STILL HAVE A FEW, UH, ONE CONCERNS, YOUR, UH, STORAGE OF, UH, WEAPONS YOU'RE DOING ONLINE, UH, TRANSFER FOR PEOPLE.
SO I BUY KIND OF A WEAPON IN NEVADA AND IT GETS SHIPPED TO YOU FOR ME TO PICK UP, UH, HOW MANY WEAPONS CAN YOU, CAN YOU FORESEE HAVING TO STORE HOW MANY CUSTOMERS ARE GOING TO BE USING THAT SERVICE? CAN YOU ESTIMATE THAT? AND SECONDLY, UH, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AUTHORIZES, UH, MR. PESCI TO SELL GUNS.
IT'S AUTHORIZES FIREARMS SALES.
AND I KNOW THAT YOU DO NOT CURRENTLY INTEND TO SELL FIREARMS, BUT THERE IS NOTHING IN THE PERMIT THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM DOING SO, UH, I KNOW THAT YOU DON'T, UH, INTEND TO PUT UP SIGNAGE, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE THAT I WONDER IF THEY, AS THE PERMIT IS ISSUED, IF IT COULD ADDRESS THAT, THAT NO SIGNAGE WOULD BE PERMITTED.
AND FINALLY THEY HAD TRAFFIC ISSUE.
I DON'T HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH THE VOLUME OF THE TRAFFIC.
MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT THE TRAFFIC THAT YOU
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WOULD BRING IN IT WAS GOING TO BE NON-RESIDENT TRAFFIC, AT LEAST INITIALLY UNFAMILIAR WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAD DONE FOR NEW AND UNFAMILIAR WITH THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS.EARL, WHO WE HAVE NEXT, RIGHT? WE HAVE CHET.
HELLO? CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME? UH, MY NAME IS
I LIVE AT ONE ZERO THREE BRIGADE DRIVE, AND I WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD TO SAY THAT I STRONGLY SUPPORT MR. PESCI.
UM, I DO ALSO WANT TO MENTION A FEW NAMES OF A FEW COMPANIES, SUCH AS DISNEY, HEWLETT, PACKARD, APPLE, MICROSOFT, DELL, AMAZON, GOOGLE.
THESE BUSINESSES ALL STARTED AT HOME IN A GARAGE.
I WISH MR. PESCI THE VERY BEST I'VE ALSO.
I'D LIKE TO, UM, UH, LET, LET SOME OF MY FELLOW RESIDENTS OF BRANDYWINE KNOW THAT EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE FINE.
I'VE BEEN A FEDERAL FEDERALLY LICENSED FIREARMS MANUFACTURER SINCE 2012.
I'VE BEEN DOING IT EXCLUSIVE, EXCLUSIVELY IN MY HOME IN BRANDYWINE SINCE 2015.
UM, MY BUSINESS IS GOING TO SHARE ABOUT 90 TO 95% OF THE SAME CHARACTERISTICS AS MR. PESCI.
AND WHAT I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND IS NUMBER ONE WILL THE ATF IS VERY THOROUGH.
YOU GO THROUGH A BACKGROUND CHECK WITH THE ATF, WITH THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION, WITH THE VIRGINIA STATE POLICE, AND ALSO OUR FINE YORK COUNTY SHERIFF'S LIT.
SO, BUT I WANT TO, I WANT TO GIVE THE IMAGE OF A GUN SMITH IS IT'S MORE LIKE IT'S MORE AKIN TO A WATCHMAKER.
THEY HAVE VERY SPECIALIZED TOOLS.
THEY'RE REPAIRING INTRICATE THINGS.
AND OF COURSE THEY'RE GOING OFFSITE TO TEST IT AND VALIDATE IT.
BUT IT'S A, IT'S VERY RELAXING WORK.
OCCASIONALLY USE A DRILL PRESS OR SOMETHING.
SO SIMILAR TO ANY, YOU KNOW, HOME HOBBY, UM, GETTING BACK TO THE ATF, UM, MR. PESCI DID MENTION A TOO MUCH DETAIL, BUT THERE'S WHAT THEY CALL ACQUISITION DISPOSITION BOOKS.
SO THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST HEAVILY CONTROLLED, UH, BUSINESSES THAT I CAN THINK OF ANY TIME I HAVE A PRODUCT COME IN.
IT GOES IN MY ACQUISITION BOOK.
ANYTIME IT LEAVES IT, IT GOES OUT AS A DISPOSITION.
THESE RECORDS ARE AVAILABLE TO THE ATF AT ANY TIME FOR THEIR REVIEW.
THEY HAVE TO BE ACCURATE AND THEY CAN BE HELD UP TO TWO DECADES.
UH, WHEN HE SAID, HE'S GOING TO SEE A FEW CUSTOMERS PER WEEK.
I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR ALMOST A DECADE AND A FEW CUSTOMERS A WEEK IS A HIGH MARK.
FFLS THROUGHOUT THESE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY ARE OPERATING OUT OF THE HOME.
MOST PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE BECAUSE IT'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
UH, SAFETY IS, UM, UH, VERY STRINGENT.
THE ATF DOES SAFETY INSPECTIONS.
THEY HAVE REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW.
UM, I HAVE A SAFE IN MY LOCATION.
I HAD TO HAVE THE FLOOR SPECIALLY REINFORCED, NOT ONLY TO MOVE THE SAFE END, BUT TO PUT IT IN ITS PERMANENT POSITION, BECAUSE IT WAS SO LARGE AND SO HEAVY.
BUT I DO HAVE FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE.
I AM A MANUFACTURER OF MODERN SPORTING RIFLES.
I'M A MANUFACTURER OF PERSONAL PROTECTION DEVICES.
IF THE BOARD OR ANY CITIZENS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHARE BY DECADES WORTH OF FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE AND ANSWER THEM AGAIN.
I AM STRONGLY SUPPORTING MR. PESCI.
I DON'T SEE ANY MORE RAISED HANDS THAT THERE'S, UM, PINKERTON, YOU HAD ASKED SEVERAL QUESTIONS.
YOU WANT TO COME INTO THE MEETING.
LET ME BRING YOU IN MR. PINKETT PINKERTON.
DO YOU WANT TO ASK YOUR QUESTIONS THAT YOU PUT INTO THE VERY, APPARENTLY NOT.
I'LL JUST, UM, HE, HE HAD ASKED, UH, LET'S SEE, HIS COMMENTS WERE, WILL YOU MAKE YOUR BUSINESS PRACTICES AVAILABLE IN WRITING? SO WE, THE EXTENT OF YOUR SERVICES, UM, OF THE SERVICES YOU PROVIDE AND WHERE CAN SIGNS BE PUT UP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ARE YOU PLANNING TO SELL FIREARMS FROM THE HOMES?
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AND IF SO, WHAT TYPE? ALL RIGHT.I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED MR. PESCI TO ANSWER THAT OR NOT.
YOU WANT TO ANSWER THOSE? SO MR. PESCI, WHEN ANSWER THOSE, UM, SURE, SORRY, LET ME POP THEM BACK UP.
UM, BUSINESS PRACTICES AND WRITING.
I MEAN, I, I SENT OUT THE BULK OF THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE LETTER AND THE ADDENDUM TO MY SEP.
SO I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT IS AVAILABLE.
I, AGAIN, I DON'T INTEND ON PUTTING SIGNS UP AT ALL, UM, BECAUSE I DON'T INTEND ON THIS BEING REALLY MADE PUBLIC.
UM, AS FAR AS YOUR ACTUAL QUESTION OF WHERE THEY CAN BE PUT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I AM GOING TO GO OUT ON A LIMB AND SAY THE SEP WOULD LIMIT IT TO MY PERSONAL PROPERTY.
UM, BUT I CAN'T SPEAK TO ZONING.
UM, WAS THAT ALL OF THEM? NO, THERE'S AN SORRY.
THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE WASN'T THERE WAS JUST WHAT TYPE OF TYPES? I THAT'S A VAGUE QUESTION.
I MEAN, I AM NOT LIMITED IN TYPES OR, I MEAN, THE LIST GOES ON.
UM, AND THEN MR ENDED, I GOT A MESSAGE FROM, UH, MR. SCOTT, ARE YOU ABLE TO PULL HIM IN? HE SAID HE DIDN'T SEE A HAND ICON.
HERE YOU GO, MR. SCOTT, ON MUTE, YOU TAP YOUR SCREEN, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE YOUR MICROPHONE POP UP.
I LIVE AT 300 GAINSWAVE WITH MY WIFE, HANNAH SCOTT, AND TWO CHILDREN, AVA AND SILAS.
UM, WE ARE DOWNSTREAM OF ANDREW AND JUST LIKE BRAD SAID, WE FULLY SUPPORT ANDREW IN ALL OF HIS, UH, ENDEAVORS, UH, WANTING TO, UH, BECOME THE NEIGHBORHOOD GUNSMITH AND FFL DEALER.
UM, WE HAVE ZERO CONCERNS WITH ANYTHING THAT HE WANTS TO, UH, PURSUE HERE.
UM, IF, IF, IF HE'S DOING ANYTHING FOR THE COUNTY, HE'S DOING IT, IT'S A HUGE SERVICE FOR, UH, FOR ALL, EVERY EVERYBODY THAT, UH, THAT, THAT YOU KNOW IS A SECOND AMENDMENT SUPPORTER.
UM, I HAVE, LIKE I SAID, I HAVE NO CONCERNS WITH WHAT HE IS TRYING TO DO, UM, WHEN WE FULLY SUPPORT HIM.
UM, WE GOT, HAD ANOTHER QUESTION FROM BOBBY CLEGG.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN BRING HIM INTO THE MEETING.
MR. CLEGG, WOULD YOU LIKE DIDN'T WE ALREADY HEAR FROM HIM.
DID WE ALREADY HAD HE'S ALREADY.
WE'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM HIM EARL.
HE HAD ASKED A QUESTION IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD STIPULATE THAT NO SIGNAGE BE ALLOWED, BASICALLY.
UM, MR. PINKERTON HAS RAISED HIS HAND.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN BRING HIM IN.
I'LL HAVE YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? HE IS UN-MUTED.
I'M SORRY, MR. PINKERTON DOESN'T SEEM TO BE WORKING.
HE WAS THE LAST ONE TO HAVE HIS HAND RAISED.
WELL, THANK YOU, MR. ANDERSON.
UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, THE MATTERS BEFORE THE COMMISSION FOR ANY DISCUSSION.
WHAT'S YOUR TITLE? YEAH, GENERALLY I'M IN GREAT SUPPORT OF HOME BUSINESSES AND THE AMOUNT OF HOME BUSINESSES THAT COULD BE OUT THERE.
EVERY HOME COULD HAVE A HOME BUSINESS AND THEY'D SOME OF THOSE HOME BUSINESSES WOULD PRESENT A LOT MORE TRAFFIC, A LOT MORE CUSTOMER INTERFACE, AND THIS WELL-REGULATED TYPE OF BUSINESS.
SO EVERYTHING CONSIDERED I VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS AND THIS APPLICATION.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS YOU WANT TO SHARE MR. JOHNS? YES.
UM, I THINK I CAN SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION.
HE'S OPERATING ONLY FIVE DAYS A WEEK.
UH, HE'S ALLOWED TO GO SEVEN, UH, EIGHT TO EIGHT.
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YOU STAKE IN EVERY REASONABLE PRECAUTION AND THERE'S NO ENFORCEMENT SAFETY AND, UM, ONLY ONE CUSTOMER AT A TIME.UM, AND HE'S ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
UM, THIS IS A LAND USE ISSUE, BUT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE PROFIT OR THAT THAT'LL STIPULATED.
UH, IN-DISTRICT COMMENDATIONS, UH, TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT I'M HEARING.
UH, THE BOARD HAS BROUGHT A, UH, DISCRETION, UH, TO TAKE IN SOME OTHER FACTORS, BUT I THINK, UM, THERE'S NO INTENT TO HAVE A SIGN.
UM, SO I THINK I COULD SUPPORT THIS, UM, APPLICATION.
UM, MY ONE CONCERN, UH, WHEN I DROVE THE AREA WAS THE NARROWNESS OF THE ROADS, BUT BECAUSE, UH, THERE IS VERY LITTLE, UM, CUSTOMER SUPPORT PER DAY.
UH, I DON'T THINK THAT IT WILL CAUSE A PROBLEM AND I AM CONFIDENT THAT, UH, MR. PESCI HAS GOT EVERYTHING UNDER CONTROL.
SO I SUPPORT, UH, THE APPLICATION.
I TO SUPPORT THE APPLICATION, I DID WANT TO POINT OUT ONE OF THE CONCERNS WITH THE, WITH THE TRAFFIC AND THE NARROW ROADS.
UM, IT'S IN THE APPLICATION THAT HE PROVIDED THE PARKING, I'M ASSUMING THAT PARKING WOULD BE PROVIDED BEFORE THE BUSINESS WAS OPENED.
SO I GUESS IF I CAN, UM, MR. PESCI, THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY I FEEL IS MORE THAN SUFFICIENT.
AND THEN I DID HAVE THE INTENTION TO EXPAND THE DRIVEWAY TO THE LEFT OF THE HOUSE, PERSONAL USE, AGAIN, OPENING UP THE DRIVEWAY FURTHER FOR CUSTOMER USE, BUT YOU CAN FIT A FOUR TO SIX VEHICLES IN THE DRIVEWAY, AND THAT SHOULD BE PLENTY.
AND AGAIN, FOR THE ONE CUSTOMER, UM, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DID CALL OUT A RECOMMENDATION, WHICH I FULLY STAND BY BEING A FORMER FIREFIGHTER THAT THEY'RE PARKING THE OFF STREETS AND A, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE PARKING IN MY CLASS B I DON'T LIKE IT WHEN PARK IN THE STREET OR IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS IT IS BECAUSE IT CLOGS UP TRAFFIC.
SO YES, IT WOULD MOST DEFINITELY BE OFF STREET PARKING AND I CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT CURRENT STATE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, MR. STERK WHOLLY SUPPORT THIS BUSINESS? GOOD LUCK.
UM, MR. PESCI, I GOTTA BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I HAD A LOT OF CALLS AND RECEIVE THE LETTERS OF, UH, PEOPLE THAT OPPOSED THIS, THAT LIVED IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, SEVERAL OF THEM FROM YOUR OWN STREET, SEVERAL OF THEM ON, UH, UH, ON STREETS THAT SURROUNDING YOU.
UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS.
UM, I WAS HESITANT ABOUT GOING ALONG WITH THIS, UH, YOU SEEM TO ADDRESS ALL THE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT I'VE HAD AND, AND THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED TO ME BY, UH, CITIZENS PHONE CALLS AND SOME OF THE LETTERS I HAVE, UH, YOU'VE SEEM TO ADDRESS ALL OF THEM.
UM, AND, UH, I, I SYMPATHIZE WITH PEOPLE WITH TRAFFIC, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, I DON'T LIVE FAR FROM WHERE YOU LIVE AND, UH, I DON'T LIVE IN BRANDYWINE, BUT I'M, I'M, I'M WITH YOU, I'M WITH YOU AND WITH EVERYONE ELSE WITH ALL THE AMAZON FEDEX UPS, UH, USBS, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, 24 SEVEN.
I SYMPATHIZE WITH THOSE WHO DON'T WANT AN ADDITIONAL, BUT I THINK THE WORK YOU'RE DOING, UM, SO WELL-REGULATED BY SO MANY, SO MANY, UH, AGENCIES, I THINK THE, IT TAKES THE, THE GUN, UH, UH, THE GUN PART OUT OF IT ALMOST, THIS IS MORE OR LESS A HOME OCCUPATION.
AND IS IT OKAY TO DO IT IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? AND I, I THINK YOUR TYPE OF HOME OCCUPATION WOULD HAVE A LESS, UH, VISITATION THAN SOME OF THE OTHERS THAT COULD BE DONE OUT THERE.
SO I THINK YOU'VE ADDRESSED MOST OF THE CONCERNS, UH, MOST OF THE ONES I'VE HAD AND, AND THE QUESTIONS THAT I'VE HEARD, LIKE I SAID, I WAS HESITANT AT FIRST AND, UH, UM, BUT SOME OF THE ANSWERS HAVE CHANGED MY MIND.
UM, I DO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE, UH, THE SIGNAGE.
UM, I THINK IT MIGHT GO A LONG WAY AND, AND, AND AGREEING TO NOT HAVE A THREE FOOT SIGN, WHICH IS DONE.
I, AGAIN, I HAVE ZERO INTENT, SO IF YOU'RE ABLE TO PUT THAT IN THERE AND
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THEN HAVE HAD IT, AND, UH, I THINK THAT MIGHT SATISFY A COUPLE CITIZENS, NOT THE BULK OF IT, BUT, UH, CERTAINLY MIGHT, UH, HELP OUT SOME DEGREE.UH, AND FOLKS NOT IDENTIFYING, UH, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, UH, USE AT YOUR HOME OFFICE.
NO, THAT'S PERFECTLY UNDERSTANDABLE.
AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I HAVE NO INTENTION.
SO IF THAT NEEDS TO BE A STIPULATION, THEN, UM, FULL SUPPORT OF IT.
I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE.
UM, I THINK WITH THAT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND, UH, IF SOMEONE'S WILLING, IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS TO, UH, UH, UM, WOULD THEY CONSIDER GOING AHEAD WITH THE ADDITION OF, UH, PR UH, PRECLUDING, ANY SIGNAGE FOR THIS APPLICATION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I WAS GOING TO ASK EARL IF HE COULD PUT THAT IN, INTO THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PC, WHATEVER THE NAME IS, PC 21 DASH FIVE.
AND I, I, UH, RECOMMEND WE, UH, FORWARD THIS APPLICATION PC 21 DASH FIVE CAR TO THE, UH, SUPERVISORS FOR APPROVAL WITH THE STIPULATION THAT NO SIGNAGE BE PERMITTED.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE, MS. LINSON BIGLER, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MOTION BY MR. TITUS IS TO ADAPT PC 21 DASH FIVE ARE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE FIREARM CELLS AND GUNSMITHING AT TWO 11 HENRY LEE LANE.
THE MOTION PASSES SIX TO ZERO.
AND THIS WILL GO BEFORE THE BOARD ON APRIL 20.
THIS WILL ALSO BE EXPECTED TO GO TO THE BOARD APRIL 20TH.
AND THANKS EVERYONE WHO CALLED IN AND THANK YOU, MR. PESCI.
[7. Old Business]
THAT LEADS US TO GENDER ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS OR OLD BUSINESS.IS THERE ANY OLD BUSINESS OUT THERE? VERY NON
[8. New Business]
NUMBER EIGHT IS NEW BUSINESS.AND I HAVE AN ITEM BEFORE TO COMMISSION A NEW BUSINESS.
UM, AS WE LOOK BACK AT THE FENTON MILL APPLICATION, AND IF YOU ALL QUITE REMEMBER THAT NIGHT, UH, AFTER HAVING SOME TIME THINKING ABOUT IT AND LISTENING TO SOME OF THE RESIDENTS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE COMP PLAN DOESN'T PROVIDE AS MUCH GUIDANCE ON, ON DIRECTION ON WHERE TO GO, WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD REALLY WANTS.
WE HAVE SOME GENERAL IDEAS FROM OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, BUT VERY LITTLE SPECIFICS.
UH, ONE OF THE WAYS TO SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS IS TO HAVE A COMMUNITY PLAN, AN AREA PLAN, A PLAN MAYBE FOR THE UPPER COUNTY, SOMETHING THAT WOULD GIVE THE COMMISSION AND THE BOARD A LITTLE BIT MORE DEFINITIVE DIRECTION ON WHAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD WANT.
UM, SO THINKING ABOUT THIS, AND I'VE TALKED THIS OVER WITH STAFF AND THE POSSIBILITY, AND THEY SEEM TO BE SOMEWHAT AMENABLE TO, TO THIS AND, UH, OF DEVELOPING AN AREA PLAN FOR WHETHER IT'S FENTON MILL, THE UPPER COUNTY, UH, UH, SEVERAL PARCELS, NOT SURE YET.
UM, AND, AND THAT MIGHT HELP OUT IN FUTURE COMMISSIONS AND MAYBE THE BOARD AND SOLVING SOME OF THE ISSUES.
CAUSE THE RESIDENTS REALLY RAISED A LOT OF IMPORTANT ISSUES THAT ARE, AREN'T ADDRESSING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND IF WE HAD A SMALLER AREA PLAN OR, UH, UM, UM, A COMMUNITY PLAN THAT WOULD ADDRESS SOMETHING BEYOND EVEN WHAT WE HEARD, UH, MIGHT GIVE SOME GUIDANCE FOR THAT.
SO THAT'S JUST AN ITEM OF NEW BUSINESS.
UM, MY, MY ASK WOULD BE TO REQUEST STAFF, TAKE A LOOK AT DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND COME BACK BEFORE THE COMMISSION, UH, WHEN THEY'RE READY TO DISCUSS THIS WITH US AND SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT LOOKS PLAUSIBLE AND WHETHER IT'S GOOD IDEA.
SO I'M THROWING THAT OUT TO THE COMMISSION, SEE IF THERE'S ANY OBJECTIONS OR SUPPORT OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
I COULD CERTAINLY AN AREA PLAN.
UM, I WOULD SUPPORT MR. PETERMAN.
I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS.
UM, UH, ISN'T THIS WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS FOR, UH, WHY DO WE NEED A, DO AN ADDITIONAL DOCUMENT WHEN THE COMPREHENSIVE
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PLAN TALKS ABOUT EACH OF THE AREAS OF THE COUNTY AND PROVIDES GUIDANCE AS TO HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE? IT'S A GOOD QUESTION, MR. PETERMAN, IN MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, THIS WOULD BE A SUB ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WE HAD IMPLEMENTATION OF IT ADDRESSING A SPECIFIC AREA OF THE COUNTY.UH, THE COMP PLAN, AS YOU MAY RECALL FOR THIS AREA, AS GENERAL NATURE TALKS ABOUT, UH, JUST A DENSITY LEVEL.
IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE WANTS AND DESIRES OF THE COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT'S, UH, YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE A RECREATION CENTER, WHAT DO WE WANT, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR ROADS WIDENED HERE AND THERE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY VAGUE AND OFTENTIMES IN PLANNING, AND IN ORDER TO, TO GET DOWN TO SOME MORE SPECIFICS, YOU BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER THAT LIVES JUST IN THAT AREA, AND I'LL GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY NOT TO CONTROL THE OUTCOME, BUT TO TELL THE STAFF AND TELL, UH, THE COUNTY WHAT, WHAT THEY SEE IN THE FUTURE FOR THEIR, FOR THE AREA IN THIS CASE, MAYBE JUST MAYBE THE UPPER COUNTY AS A WHOLE.
SO, UM, IT'S A THOUGHT I'VE HEARD FROM SOME CITIZENS WHO THINK THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA.
I THINK IT CAN DO NOTHING, BUT GIVE US MORE DIRECTION AND MORE HELP IN UNDERSTANDING, AND MIGHT ALSO GIVE THE CITIZENS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE SOME INPUT OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE LARGENESS OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS IT GOES FORWARD.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, UNLESS STAFF HAS ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL INPUT ON, ON THE VALUE OF A COMMUNITY PLAN.
UM, ERIC, I SEE YOU HAVE YOUR HAND RAISED.
AND JUST AS A, AS A SLIDE THAT WE, IT, IT HAPPENED TO THIS ALL THE TIME.
I MEAN, WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS THE STRATEGIC LOOK, WHAT, WHAT THE MIKE AND I, AND OTHERS I THINK ARE LOOKING AT IS MORE OF A TACTICAL LOOK.
AND THAT REALLY BRINGS IN CONSENSUS WITH THE COMMUNITY.
AND IT KIND OF, IT KIND OF NEST THE, FROM A STRATEGIC COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOWN TO US, UH, ANOTHER PLAN AND YOU GET BUY-IN AND IT REALLY IS.
IT REALLY IS HELPFUL FOR ALL PURPOSES OF, OF WHERE WE WANT TO MOVE THE COUNTY FORWARD.
I MEAN, IT REALLY IS A GOOD METHODOLOGY TO KIND OF CONSIDER.
I MEAN, I, IT DOESN'T TAKE ANY MORE TIME THE CHURCH DOES WITH STAFF AND RESOURCES, BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S A GOOD THING TO KIND OF HAVE, UH, TO GIVE TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SAY, HEY, REALLY, WE, WE NESTED THIS UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
NOW WE'VE LOOKED AT THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITY SAYS THESE TYPES OF THINGS HELP.
AND, AND IT HELPS, I THINK IT THAT'S BEEN MINE.
I'M ALL FOR TRYING TO GET MORE BUY-IN AND GET MORE CITIZENS INVOLVED.
I THINK THAT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, UH, ON THAT, I JUST WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS IN RELATIONSHIP TO WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED.
AND I, I THINK, I THINK CIRQUE'S ANALOGY WAS REALLY GOOD.
UH, THE CONFERENCE OR PLAN IS, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE STRATEGIC AND THIS IS A MORE TACTICAL LOOK ON THE GROUND CLOSER LOOK, UH, THROUGH THE LENS OF THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THE SCOPE OF THIS PLAN WOULD BE SMALL IN NATURE.
UH, AND, AND, AND STAFF WOULD HAVE TIME TO EVALUATE IT AND SEE WHAT, HOW, WHAT, HOW THIS WOULD SHAPE UP.
SO, UM, IT LOOKS AS IF I'VE GOT MOST OF THE COMMISSIONERS IN FAVOR OF, OF, OF ASKING STAFF TO LOOK AT THIS AND COME BACK TO US AND GIVE US SOME IDEAS ON, ON ACCOMPLISHED IN THIS.
SO, UM, I SEE, UH, MOST EVERYBODY WITH THEIR HANDS UP, WE SHARED IT.
AND, UH, MR. KRAUSE, IF, IF, UH, YOU CAN PICK A DATE IN THE FUTURE, THAT'S SUITABLE TO THE STAFF TO DISCUSS THIS ON ONE OF THE AGENDA ITEMS. I APPRECIATE IT.
AND THANKS EVERYONE FOR SUPPORTING US.
UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS, BY THE WAY, I DON'T HEAR ANY, UH, STAFF
[9. Staff Reports/Recent Actions by the Board of Supervisors]
REPORTS, RECENT ACTIONS BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, MR. CROSS, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.AND IT'S JANUARY MEETING, THE BOARD APPROVED THE MACHINE SHOP AND THE FORMER FARM FRESH BUILDING ON MERRIMACK TRAIL.
AND THEY APPROVED THE, UH, ESTHETICIANS STUDIO AS A HOME OCCUPATION AND WHITAKER'S MILL, UH, COMING UP NEXT WEEK, THIS TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 16TH, THEY WILL CONSIDER THE, UH, ADAPTIVE REUSE APPLICATION FOR THE GEORGE WASHINGTON IN ON MERRIMACK TRAIL, CONVERTING IT INTO APARTMENTS.
AND THEY WILL ALSO TAKE UP THE, UH, THE OTHER ADAPTIVE REUSE APPLICATION TO CONVERT THE JC PENNY AT THE MARQUEE INTO A MULTI-USE BUILDING ANCHORED BY A PLACE OF WORSHIP.
UH, W WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY APPLICATIONS, ANY NEW APPLICATIONS, UH, FOR MARCH.
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OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE CANCEL THE MARCH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.UM, I MENTIONED THAT EARLIER, UH, ABOUT THE, UH, THE FENTON MILL PLAN DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION IS, UH, WE ARE AIMING TO TAKE IT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MARCH 16TH, AND WE ARE PLANNING FOR THAT TO BE, UH, AN IN-PERSON MEETING, NOT A ZOOM MEETING, UH, SO THAT EVERYBODY IS ABLE TO PARTICIPATE.
UM, NORMALLY AT THIS MEETING, I WOULD BE PROVIDING YOU WITH A BRIEFING ON THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S PROPOSED CIP CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM.
UH, I'M NOT DOING THAT THIS YEAR BECAUSE THE CIP THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED IS ACTUALLY BASICALLY THE SAME CIP THAT WAS PROPOSED LAST YEAR.
AND YOU ALL HAVE REVIEWED ALL THE PROD PROJECTS AND ALREADY FOUND THEM TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, BASICALLY, UH, WE HAD A GOOD CIP WERE REALLY HAPPY WITH IT ABOUT TWO WEEKS LATER, AND THE PANDEMIC HIT.
SO THE, UH, KEN ADMINISTRATIVE MADE THE DECISION TO BASICALLY TAKE A ONE YEAR PAUSE IN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, SPENDING AND, UH, SET ASIDE SOME MONEY FOR EMERGENCY KINDS OF ITEMS AND, AND REALLY CRITICAL SPENDING.
BUT BASICALLY WHAT HE DID WAS MOVE ALL THE PROJECTS FORWARD ONE YEAR.
UH, SO THE CIP, UH, AND THERE WERE SOME CHANGES, YOU KNOW, TO SOME OF THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS AND SOME OF THE TIMING, BUT ALL THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THERE ARE ONES THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY APPROVED AND CERTIFIED.
SO THERE'S NO NAME THIS YEAR FOR YOU ALL TO ADOPT ANOTHER RESOLUTION, UM, GRATIFYING OR CERTIFYING.
THANK YOU, MR. CROSS LOOKS LIKE MR. JOHNS HAS A QUESTION.
MR. JONES, MR. CROSS, HAS THAT BEEN ANY NEGOTIATION, UH, ON THE FIT MILL PROJECT? UH, SINCE WE FORWARD IT AND IT'S GOING TO THE BOARD, HA HAS THERE BEEN ANY EXCHANGES BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES, WHICH TWO PARTIES? UM, THAT WOULD BE THE RESIDENTS AROUND FIT MILL WHO CAME FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN THE DEVELOPER, UH, THERE WERE SOME ISSUES, UH, SEPARATED THEM.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY CHANGES TO THAT PROPOSAL OR THAT APPLICATION NO CHANGES HAVE BEEN, UH, SUBMITTED TO US TO THAT, UH, PROMOTION.
SO THE PROPOSAL IS GOING TO THE BOARD THE SAME AS IT WENT TO THE COMMISSION.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
UNLESS THEY MAKE A CHANGE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
IS THERE, WHAT'S THE STATUS ON THE WHOLE BUSINESS CODE CHANGES? WE OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE THAT TO MARCH, UH, BECAUSE OF FENTANYL APPLICATION.
UM, WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO CHECK WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION AND SEE WHAT ELSE IS QUEUED UP FOR THE APRIL BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING.
UH, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, OTHERWISE A FAIRLY LIGHT AGENDA, YOU KNOW, IT, THOSE TEXTS AMENDMENTS MIGHT GO FORWARD IN APRIL.
UH, IF NOT, THERE'S REALLY, NO, THERE'S NO REAL URGENCY.
YOU KNOW, IT WOULDN'T KILL ANYBODY IF WE PUSH IT OUT TO ME, BUT YEAH, WE WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, PUT THAT WHOLE, UH, ISSUE TO REST.
UM, BUT WE FIGURE WE'D RATHER NOT INCONVENIENCE APPLICANTS, YOU KNOW, UH, IN ORDER TO GET A TEXT AMENDMENT THROUGH.
I GOT ONE MORE QUESTION FOR TIM.
GO AHEAD, MR. JOHNSON, YOU, HOW MANY MORE MEETINGS DO WE HAVE REMAINING FOR THE 2040, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVIEW COMMITTEE? UH, THAT IS A QUESTION I CAN'T ANSWER IT.
UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET INTO, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET INTO SOME OF THESE, UH, HEAVY SUBJECTS, THE LAND, YOUR SETTLEMENT, UH, YOU KNOW, IN PAST YEARS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S TAKEN MULTIPLE MEETINGS.
UH, WE'RE JUST, UH, WE'RE JUST, UH, WE'LL HAVE HOWEVER MANY MEETINGS.
WE HAVE TO HAVE TO RESOLVE ALL THE ISSUES AND, AND GET THE, GET THE JOB DONE.
WELL, SPEAKING OF THAT, MR. JOHNSON, MR. CROSS, THAT LEADS
[10. Committee Reports]
US TO ITEM NUMBER 10 OR COMMITTEE REPORTS, WHICH IS OUR REPORT ON OUR 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, COMMITTEE MEETING.WE HAD, UH, WE HAD A PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD, UH, DISCUSSION
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ALL ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION CHAPTER AND, UM, A LOT OF INPUT PEOPLE CALLED IN AT A LIVELY DISCUSSION FROM, UH, OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND THE TRANSPORTATION DRAFT CHAPTER IS ONLINE, UH, AT THE PLANNING WEBSITE UNDER A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ IT AND, UH, GIVE THE STAFF ANY COMMENTS YOU MAY HAVE.
AND, UH, ANY, ANYTHING FROM STAFF TO COMMENT ON THAT, MR. CROSS, ANYTHING TO ADD? NO, MR. JOHNS, ANYTHING? YEAH, I JUST, I CAN SAY ONE, ONE THING, ONE IDEA THAT I THOUGHT WAS REALLY GREAT IS THAT THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE ENCOURAGE DEVELOPERS BE IT RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL TO PUT IN CHARGE STATIONS BECAUSE OF THE ROLE THAT WE SEE, UM, THE ELECTRIC CARS AND SELF-DRIVEN CARS PLAYING IN 2040 IS GO AHEAD AND TRY TO START THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, YOU KNOW, TO START GETTING IT IN PLACE NOW, GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
THAT WAS A BIG DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE'RE POTENTIALLY SEEING IN THE FUTURE WHEN IT COMES TO THE AUTOMOBILE OR, OR OTHER TYPES OF MODES OF TRANSPORTATION, AND HOW'S THAT GOING TO FIT IN AND ARE WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE USING, TODAY'S THINKING FOR TOMORROW ON AND YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE GET AHEAD OF THE GAME? AND SO, AS YOU'RE THINKING THROUGH THAT YOURSELVES, AND I SEE SOME PEOPLE, UH, SOME OF YOU THINKING SHE HAD A WHEELS TURN, PLEASE READ THE DRAFT CHAPTER AND GIVE THE STAFF YOUR COMMENTS.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMITTEE REPORTS HEARING NONE,
[11. Commission Reports and Requests]
I WOULD GO TO ITEM NUMBER 11, WHICH IS COMMISSION REPORTS AND REQUESTS HEARING NONE.UH, I ASK EVERYONE TO BE SAFE OUT THERE.
I'M GLAD YOU ALL GOT YOUR SHOT, MR. JOHNS.
I HOPE YOU GET YOURS PRETTY SOON.
AND, UH, I WANT EVERYBODY TO HAVE A GREAT REST OF THE WEEKEND, WEEKEND AND MEETINGS ADJOURN.